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0:12So, Dave, you were telling me right before the show that you are now retiring

0:16because you got an impromptu phone call and bet hundreds of millions of dollars on

0:23oil prices going down. Congratulations.

0:25It was a good bet.

0:27It just wasn't timed right.

0:28I thought you got it in on time.

0:30I thought you got it in like five minutes early.

0:36I did not. How is there not a massive investigation into that right away?

0:40Didn't someone make like $1 .8 billion in like five minutes?

0:44Yeah. There's a lot of those, like trades like that that should be investigated that

0:49kind of never are. Bro.

0:51How about, what's his name?

0:53Lutnik? Yeah. How about that one?

0:56The tariffs one? Working for the administration and also standing to gain huge if people

1:02can sue over the tariffs, right?

1:05Well, explain the whole thing.

1:07Well, do you know how to, do you know the actual details of it?

1:10No, I don't really know the details.

1:11So essentially he was telling everybody that, you know, don't sweat it.

1:15The tariffs are golden. We're getting them through.

1:18There's going to be no problems.

1:19Is that what it was?

1:21But in meanwhile, he was shorting the tariffs?

1:23Yes. Yeah. So he was personally shorting them while promoting them.

1:26Let's find out what that actually is so we don't get sued.

1:27Sure, sure, sure. I bet he's a quite litigious gentleman.

1:29Yeah, he might be. Let's see if we can find it.

1:32Look, I got some, I don't know what that means there.

1:34Like, is it why all the people were on the files visited the island and

1:37then they still work? It was unbelievable.

1:40Some people had to resign from some jobs.

1:42Well, especially just him because he so, the way, there's something about a really confident

1:48liar, like where they just, because I mean that, that interview clip where he's like,

1:52let me tell you something.

1:53I met Jeffrey Epstein that one time.

1:55He had a massage table.

1:55He said they were sex massage tables.

1:57I went right back to my wife and I said, honey, we are never hanging

2:00out with Jeffrey Epstein again.

2:01And that is that, you know?

2:03Is that really the quote?

2:05Oh, dude. I haven't seen that.

2:06I don't know if it's verbatim, but that is the exact spirit of it.

2:09Which probably pretty verbatim. Oh, let's, let's listen to it.

2:11Listen, listen to it. I'm very, very close to exactly what he said.

2:15Okay. Let me get this one again.

2:16What was this one? Let Nick, let Nick interview about Epstein and he just sounds,

2:21I mean, so like morally outraged about the idea.

2:24There's so many people that they exist in that world where you just pretend that

2:29you're a different person. You pretend you're one way.

2:32Yeah. You pretend you think things differently.

2:34It's a, I've been up close with people like that.

2:37I said, that was my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo.

2:39Was like, I just could, it's a weird thing to see someone just lie like

2:43that. Here it is. No, this is the one that says he's the greatest blackmailer

2:46ever. Which quote am I trying to find?

2:51Yeah. Try to explain it to him.

2:53It was a, let me see the keywords that would downplay his relationship with him.

2:58That, that might be it.

3:02Because there was something on the other thing, but I don't know what that is.

3:04What does he do? He's, um, what's he's a commerce secretary.

3:09Uh, he was a, he was always like a money finance guy.

3:11He, I think he used to work for CNBC if I'm correct.

3:15In this administration, this like, the wolves have taken over the hen house.

3:19Yeah. Yeah, they sure have.

3:22This is, this is what draining the swamp looks like.

3:25Under fire for Epstein ties, commerce secretary Howard Lutnick defends visiting his private island.

3:30Yeah, but this is, this isn't the clip.

3:32The clip was from. Oh, it's at the top.

3:35It says, it says, Lutnick sent an interview last year.

3:38He was never in the room with Epstein other than a 2005 visit to his

3:42apartment. Okay, so that's probably it.

3:46He said, you know, he met him once and was like, this guy sucks.

3:49But he specifically says that he met him, that he saw he had a massage

3:53table in his living room.

3:54And he goes, hey, Jeffrey, what do you, you really like massages?

3:57And he claims that Jeffrey went, yeah, and the right kind of massages.

4:02And that's when he decided he would never talk to him again.

4:06Nobody likes the right kind of massages.

4:08Those are terrible. Imagine if those are legal.

4:11Just hand job massages. There'd be like no relationships.

4:17How many people are in terrible relationships just because they need sex?

4:22There's a lot of guys who'd be like, I'm just going to hang out with

4:24the boys. Just get jerked off once on Wednesday.

4:27And I'm good. Howard Lutnick downplays relationship with Epstein during Senate testimony.

4:32Testimony. I don't know. Is this it?

4:34No, this is from, this is from recently.

4:36This is from this year.

4:37I did find an article that kind of, I don't even know what this website

4:40is, though. I don't know if.

4:42His old firm did not, in fact, profit from the Supreme Court tariff ruling.

4:47It says that there was an article claiming it.

4:49And then, that's why I was trying to dig through this.

4:51Oh, we better edit that out then.

4:54I mean, it was reported, though, that they did.

4:56But I don't know what this says.

5:00It says, firm is run by his two sons.

5:02Elder Lutnick announced the sale of the stake in the firm and other investors.

5:07Supreme Court on Friday invalidated many of Trump's tariffs.

5:11The president said, okay, Caster did not consider the product which has existed for years.

5:17It was humming trade on Wall Street's Trump first -term tariff push, but decided against

5:24it after weighing the political sensitivities.

5:26According to a senior banker familiar with this matter, a Cantor spokesman said the salesman

5:31erroneously believed the firm was likely to greenlight the business.

5:34Okay, I'm missing this. I'm not exactly sure what they're saying here.

5:38This is just the legality of tariffs they're discussing now.

5:41It's not in an email that said that they're representing 10 million.

5:44I was trying to figure out the accuracy of all this and whatnot.

5:48So what was the accusation?

5:50The accusation was that he had shorted tariffs while claiming that tariffs are going to

5:56work. Yeah, the accusation was that he stood to make a lot of money from

6:00tariffs being struck down. Why don't you put that into perplexity, Jamie, and find out

6:05if that's accurate, and let it scour the Internet instead of us doing it.

6:09God, I love you. Yeah, it is that I can't wait until it takes over

6:13government. It's gonna be awesome It's after a while.

6:16You're like, I don't know if it could be much worse than what humans are

6:18doing with government. It's gonna be better It's not gonna be greedy Well, as long

6:22as it determines that human life is valuable.

6:24I feel like is really the big humans Let's be honest.

6:29You know some homeless guys taking a shit on your Jaguar.

6:32Is that guy really okay?

6:33Yeah, but you know, but to AI we all might be homeless guys taking Do

6:37you see that there was these San Francisco tech guys and they got trapped in

6:41their Waymo because a homeless guy started attacking the Waymo and yelling at them Why

6:45are you paying robots? No, yeah, you're a traitor.

6:48You're paying robots. You're paying the robots The homeless guy was about this the homeless

6:53guy was attacking the Waymo.

6:55The tech guys were in the Waymo We were terrified for our life.

6:58We feared our safety because they're they're being attacked by a crazy person who's saying

7:02you shouldn't be giving money to robots That's an uncomfortable position to be I get

7:06all my information from the Tim Dillon show by the way, but they did not

7:09it's not the worst source It's the best source.

7:11It's the best source him and that dude.

7:14What's his name? James Lee.

7:16He's our other number one source of information conspiracy theorist.

7:20There you go Another one a Waymo a gal got in and there's a fucking

7:26homeless guy in the trunk Because apparently the last person when they left their Waymo

7:31they opened the trunk to get their luggage out and they never closed it So

7:36the homeless guy hopped into their fucking Waymo and closed it Closed it.

7:40It was in the trunk.

7:41So she gets you orders a Waymo She climbs in there's a homeless guy in

7:45the truck and with Waymo's like that's unacceptable Yeah, okay Okay, the main claim is

7:53that Cantor Fitzgerald howard let next former firm now chaired by his son stood to

7:59profit by buying tariff refund rights that only Became a big became valuable if Trump's

8:05tariffs were overturned But the firm insists it ultimately did not execute those trades What

8:10critics say happened investigators and reporter reporting notably by wire described Cantor Fitzgerald Exploring a

8:16business where it would buy the rights to future tariff refunds from importers for about

8:2120 30 cents on the dollar Internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had

8:26capacity to trade several hundred million dollars of these refund rights And it already facilitated

8:32at least one trade of around 10 million dollars in rights under the IEE PA

8:37tariffs The idea was that of course later struck down the tariffs the government would

8:41have to refund duties and Cantor or its clients would collect the full refund while

8:47the original importers only kept a small upfront payment So why is it seen as

8:52a conflict though? Is it true?

8:53So it just said that they executed on one right didn't say that scroll back

8:57up That was based off that email.

8:59Yeah It says internal materials cited in those reports suggested Cantor had capacity to trade

9:05and had already Facilitated at least one trade of around 10 million dollars in rights

9:11It's only 10 million. Let it go Dave.

9:14That is small potatoes. So what we're those guys.

9:16Yeah, these kind of guys What Cantor and let Nick side say Cantor Fitzgerald has

9:22publicly stated that while some salespeople explored I like that in quotes Brokering tariff refund

9:28rates in 2025 the firm never executed any transactions or Taken any position on tariff

9:35refund claims calling contrary reports false Follow -up recording has echoed that Cantor considered products

9:43tied to the Supreme Court tariff ruling But ultimately backed off in part because the

9:48political optics Duh Fuck it.

9:51That's a big duh around let Nick's government job Latest coverage is no public evidence

9:56that Cantor actually booked profits From this strategy though the investigations in Congress are ongoing

10:03and focus on whether there was any attempted or potential profiteer Are you more interested

10:10in the ethics conflicts of interest or the nuts and bolts of how the secondary

10:14tariff refund market works financially?

10:15No, so it seems like we don't really have evidence.

10:19Well, it'll be interesting. I mean if uh, which is probably gonna happen Um, but

10:23the Democrats take the house and the Senate in the midterm elections this year I

10:27mean they're gonna be in that'll just be the next two years of politics will

10:30be investigations and some Democrat lady just over to she just took over the seat

10:35Um in Trump's neighborhood where Mar -a -Lago is so Democrat lady just won.

10:41Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're gonna see's yeah I mean look they in his first term

10:46They impeached him twice for absolute bullshit So they'll go after him for anything, but

10:52I have a feeling now there's probably a lot more for them to Investigate and

10:57work on stuff like this and the meme coin stuff and you know, whatever business

11:01deal, you know I don't I don't have the details at the top of my

11:05mind But I do know that they said at one point that Jared Kushner would

11:10not be involved in this administration at all Because he does so much business over

11:15there and it's just like so they were like, oh, no No, no, he won't

11:17but now he totally is it's him and whit cough are like the lead Negotiators

11:22in this too. So so just a lot of meat on the bone for Democrats

11:25to make big political theater out of for the next two years Is there any

11:29where that's not corrupt? I mean when we look at the insider trading in Congress

11:34When you look at all these slimy deals that get made with NGOs You look

11:39at every it's like everything's dirty.

11:41There's not one part of government like right there.

11:45They nailed it Yeah, well, that is true like maybe the post office that's I

11:49mean Post office is pretty fucking good dude can yeah compared to all the rest

11:54of it sure get us Letter moved across the whole country for like what is

11:59it like 30 cents? How much is a stamp these days?

12:01That's true if I mean I don't know if you include the cost on the

12:04back end like the taxes that pay for the whole thing Maybe it's a little

12:08more expensive, but relatively speaking.

12:10Yeah, you can get you know Some not a bad organization sure in terms of

12:14government organizations. You never hear except going postal that used to be a thing Remember

12:19those days. Yes, I do was a while Like where so many post officers went

12:24so Crazy and started shooting people that they started calling it going postal, but it

12:28never it just went away Yeah, young people if you're listening to this and you

12:31don't know what we're talking about in our day We didn't have school shootings, okay?

12:34We had to do it the old -fashioned way You had to drive a postman

12:37crazy until he went around shooting people and it happened several times to the point

12:41Yeah, that became a thing like these crazy postal workers.

12:45There was a video game called postal What where you run around shooting people it

12:50was in the 90s. Yeah, that would be about the time period The first one

12:54came out 97. Yeah, yeah, and it was like highly criticized They were like weren't

12:59they like cartoon looking characters.

13:01Can you see if you pull up a video of post?

13:04It was like they like South Park looking characters just blasted people so it felt

13:08like less if I remember correctly or maybe that's the box I never played it

13:14Maybe I played it. Oh, this is this is going postal.

13:17No Pissing everywhere. This looks way better than 1990s.

13:21This was in the 90s for sure Is this the new postal?

13:25That might have been a newer version right there.

13:27Oh, Jesus You just run around jacking people.

13:31Yeah So it was like the first Grand Theft Auto really kind of I mean

13:34Grand Theft Auto came out around then too Actually, it didn't look like this then

13:37though, but real weird though, right that post office workers were just killing a bunch

13:41of people That's what it looked like like that.

13:45Okay, this is this is what it looked like It didn't look like that other

13:51thing It was like it wasn't a first -person thing.

13:55It was like you're seeing it from above and just running around killing everybody I

13:58played a postal though. That was the first person like that.

14:00Maybe they had more versions of it.

14:02I also I don't want to show cuz I don't know what's gonna be some

14:05bad stuff on there Yeah, probably nudity or anything dude video games really are like

14:10crack No problem. I loved your you had a ran about that years ago about

14:14how like fit the problem is that there's so much fun They're not accomplishing anything.

14:18Yeah, so the last video game I got into was a UFC 3 and I

14:24loved that game I just loved it and then me like I think it was

14:28I got married my wife got pregnant I was like, I gotta get rid of

14:30this. I just can't I'm right So I was at um, the the dojo of

14:34comedy was a club in New Jersey great club Um, they have a la one

14:38too. Oh, do they okay?

14:40Sam Tripoli Oh, yeah Yeah, so uh, so I was at the one in in

14:45Jersey and they have in the green room They have UFC 3 and I was

14:49like, oh, that's the game that I got really into so I was there for

14:52a weekend And I mean I just the whole time I was there just in

14:55the green room playing this video game and I was like It was like a

14:59feeling almost like like a drug addict who's around their drug of choice where I

15:03was like I need to be away from that like I will play this until

15:06I kill myself. It's so much fun It's a problem.

15:09Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever and just and they keep getting better Yeah, I

15:14know. Well, I didn't I stopped at that So I never even like learned how

15:18to play the new ones, but I'm like I can't Where are ufc gamer they

15:21at now five the graphics keep getting better the movement keeps getting more natural Yeah,

15:29and first -person shooters man.

15:31Oh, who was the uh, no, was it joe joe lo's on?

15:34I want to say was that was the gate 155 guy really good grappler It

15:38wasn't his thing like he was obsessed with video games and then he went I

15:42got to just do something else instead of this So I just did jujitsu like

15:45amazing jujitsu. I swear. I think that was I could be misremembering this But I

15:51swear I heard him talk about this in an interview once and that there was

15:54just like I just played video games all day all night and then eventually was

15:57like I got to do something productive with this Oh, so I just started doing

16:00jujitsu instead. I wonder what he's up to these days.

16:03He was a fun guy He was a fun fighter to watch fun fun dude

16:06like in person to him and his brother used to beat the fuck out of

16:09each other on the yard Like in the front yard, they would have like full

16:12-on MMA fights like a full power They just beat the piss out of each

16:16other in the front yard.

16:17I was like boys Save it like save I wail on each other.

16:23That's crazy. That's a young man's game They had like a bunch of guys hanging

16:26around look like it was a picnic or something like that They decided let's spice

16:29this picnic up you and me fight motherfucker and they would fight like fight fight,

16:33but all across this country There are boys fighting in their yard And that was

16:39of the highest level of yard fighting.

16:42I mean that was top one percent.

16:43Oh, that was two to like legit MMA professionals Yeah, two legit MMA professionals are

16:49mad at each other cuz they're in the house with each other all the time

16:52Shut the fuck you didn't fucking do that.

16:54You'd fucking you were supposed to put that shit away Yeah, yeah, that's uh, you

16:59ate my food Yeah They both ended up being real fun fighters to watch.

17:05Oh, yeah. Yeah, Joe was awesome.

17:07He was a great fighter Yeah, he had a lot of fights in the UFC,

17:10too. Yep, and I think it got to you know How many years was he

17:16in I got it guys I want to say was at least in the UFC

17:19for like around a decade He was yeah, he had a pretty long career.

17:24Yeah, because he was fighting I mean he fought I don't know.

17:29I mean he fought like the whole uh, like I think when he started was

17:32like BJ Penn era of lightweight And then he fought into like Anthony Pettis was

17:36the champion. Yeah, pull up Lozon's wikipedia find out when he retired Altista's first fight

17:42was September 23rd 2006 and I think it's his last fight was 2019.

17:46Mmm. Wow Yeah, that's crazy 2019 whoo Some of these guys just don't they just

17:54don't want to stop. This is too fun.

17:56It's a very hard job to keep going for a while Maybe the hardest.

18:02Yeah, you know like on your body.

18:04Oh, yeah other than football There's a lot of those guys in the NFL.

18:08They only last a couple years.

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18:48a real tough one but there's nothing well i guess i guess like professional football

18:53there's a similar aspect to where like you're not just i mean look you can

18:57go to the hospital from basketball you know you can get hurt and get a

19:01bad injury but the nfl or the ufc you kind of like you know every

19:07time you go into it like there's a very reasonable chance yeah you're leaving here

19:11on a stretcher to go to the hospital but particularly with mma it's the most

19:16unforgiving sport where like you you're one mistake one mistake away from like you know

19:23like if lebron james misses a wide open layup he runs back on defense and

19:27tries to you know get a block or something on the next play but in

19:30mma you could be dominating fighting a perfect fight make one mistake and it's like

19:34okay you're unconscious now maybe in four months kamara usman yeah perfect example yep kamara

19:41was way ahead in the fight it's in the fifth round i think there's like

19:4420 seconds to go or something crazy and leon just plants one a perfect head

19:49kick yeah and it was the perfect and john anik makes the perfect call you

19:53know like says something had been said about him maybe deciding you know to quit

19:58and then john anik says but that is not the cloth from which he was

20:02cut yeah boom head kick knockout it's like come on man is this real one

20:06of the most amazing mma championship knockouts ever oh ever ever and then just his

20:12his post fight speech look at me now look at me now and then comes

20:17back and wins the rubber match yeah which was like it's an interesting thing um

20:22how much you know like well first off like getting knocked out cold like that

20:26and you know better than me but like that does a number to your body

20:29like that's not you're not logically well psychologically and also i think physically um and

20:35then also just like the confidence that that gave leon edwards going into the next

20:39fight right like just changes everything now um yeah kamara had to be very careful

20:45because he knew at any i mean he dodged most of the big ones until

20:50the big one landed yep so in his head in that fight he had a

20:53narrative and that narrative completely changed with one head kick so going into the next

20:58fight the narrative is now if you fuck up you will be unconscious you can't

21:02get knocked unconscious again and he fought much more cautiously yeah in the second fight

21:06i remember seeing that with um i felt like you could watch that when uh

21:10dustin poirier fought conor mcgregor the second time like you know mcgregor had knocked him

21:15out years earlier and you could kind of see you know like you could see

21:20dustin i'm not saying like he was nervous or anything he's like one of the

21:22greatest fighters ever but you could kind of just see like he gets in there

21:26and he starts and he takes a couple shots from conor and he's still there

21:29you know and then he lands a couple shots and you could see like in

21:32that first round like his confidence growing like you almost got to get that out

21:37of your head that it's like yeah yeah that guy beat you that back then

21:40but you're a different guy now well with conor it's all about weathering the initial

21:45storm yeah the initial storm is crazy he's so explosive so fast so accurate and

21:51then another part about that second fight was dustin setting up those calf kicks specifically

21:57because both of those guys fight southpaw and when you both fight southpaw if you're

22:02a southpaw like dustin a lot of times the calf kick's not really available like

22:06you have to you have to throw it with a switch or it doesn't have

22:09the same sort of potential it's a slightly different potential when you exchanging it in

22:14combinations but with conor it was wide open because conor has two things going on

22:19one is a southpaw also he had just gotten a floyd mayweather fight he's very

22:23boxing heavy not just but a while back but he had really concentrated on his

22:29striking with his hands his hands were elite so because of that your stance is

22:33a little wider and you're putting a little bit more weight on your legs you

22:37know and he always had a wide stance anyway he had that karate stance the

22:41craziest thing about that is the calf kick really didn't become a big deal even

22:46until conor was a superstar like it was after that that's how recent it is

22:51yeah it's very strange that that was almost like a thing that didn't get figured

22:55out until so recently and then just totally changed everything like at this point you

22:59rare nothing you never see it but you pretty rarely see guys kick guys in

23:03the thigh anymore well no but i mean like compared to what it used to

23:07be where it used to be like that was that was what a leg kick

23:11was yes for many years in mma and now it's the i'd say like the

23:15majority of leg kicks are targeting the calf yeah like you'll see almost like a

23:19thigh kick almost just to switch it up a little bit these guys got really

23:22good at taking those yeah you got really good at being conditioned and you know

23:26we also saw a few leg breaks right we saw the anderson silva one we

23:30saw the chris weidman one there's been a few leg breaks from guys just full

23:34power leg kicking the the thigh and then someone just lifts up their knee a

23:39little bit and takes it on the right where the shin bone meets the kneecap

23:43is where they like to catch it and boy i've seen way too many of

23:47those i've seen a bunch in person but because of the internet i've seen dozens

23:51and dozens of small promotions where a guy throws that kick wrong really hard and

23:57the guy checks it and his fucking foot just wraps around the leg and you

24:03see it dangling there you're like oh no i've seen you recognize the thing like

24:08that injury is so recognizable like i've seen it so many times now i see

24:13it i just go oh it's gonna wrap around the calf uh it's gonna flop

24:16he's gonna fall down i've seen it several times on internet videos and in ufc

24:21fights i've only once seen a guy continue to talk shit about the other guy

24:25after from the ground which is the craziest shit ever dude everyone else i've seen

24:30is like crying i know in pain and connor's talking about your wife's like whatever

24:34your wife sent me dms yeah he asked me to come and sit down with

24:39him and do a podcast he's an animal i mean the dude's one of a

24:44kind he's one of a kind he apparently made a post on his uh instagram

24:48saying he's back and uh if it's true that would be awesome you Yeah, the

24:54idea is his suspension for whatever he took before is up so Yay, what was

25:02it something? Was someone I think it was Douglas Murray when he wrote that article

25:06about me he says Mr.

25:08Confidence returns To save fighting again call your grandma nanny.

25:13We did it Watch and pay me fuck you pay me you fat Irish prick.

25:18You don't have my money.

25:19I put your brain to sleep Who's that what's that about?

25:23Who's he talking about see is in the casinos after the Mac loves you is

25:27all I got love for you is It's an all it's an honor.

25:32It's light work. It's easy For life and eternity.

25:37It's McGregor. How drunk was he when he wrote this?

25:41I do this fight game easy peasy the sound of my shots off the head

25:45go bing in green dot laser form Okay Well, I really hope he is actually

25:52back I Hope it's true It'd be fun to see it'd be a lot of

25:59times It'd be a lot of fun Greatest personality the sport's ever known.

26:02That's right. There's no one even close.

26:03I mean he's the most dynamic personality the sport's ever known and he was For

26:10for a time there just such an unbelievable fighter.

26:13I mean he was like just it was incredible what he was doing Danny Alvarez

26:17fight. Oh, yeah, I was there I was there.

26:19Well thanks to you Really good really good seats.

26:22Thanks to you But that was that was one of the best that might be

26:25the best fight I've ever been to live because that whole card was just Stacked

26:28and that is the main event was just unbelievable He was in the matrix yes

26:33in the matrix He was just in the zone, you know, Dana said it best.

26:38He's like that kid eats pressure He goes he eats it.

26:41Yeah, like he thrives on pressure pressure that makes other people wilt Yeah, he like

26:45shines under that pressure and he had an amazing ability even very early in his

26:50career Which was like kind of it was really unique like because even like on

26:54his first fight ever if you watch his first fight in the UFC Against like

26:58Brimage I think the guy's name is and he was a relatively unknown at the

27:03time But dude the place is going nuts.

27:06He already had made so much kind of like street cred for himself And then

27:09the Irish thing like the Irish were really really into it But he from the

27:13very first fight He would always create these moments where it's like dude This is

27:17going to be the biggest spectacle that you my opponent has ever been in in

27:21their career Like I'm gonna get you mad with shit talking.

27:24I'm gonna get the fan so excited because he's completely comfortable there Right, like I'm

27:28not sure if you're really comfortable here But I'm and so it would and even

27:32with with Aldo who had been the entire division He would literally when they started

27:37the division. They started him as champion.

27:38He didn't even win it He came in because they absolved the WEC So he

27:42was the entire featherweight division had just dominated everyone And he even created such a

27:48moment that like like Aldo was like he was the boogeyman Yeah, dude, he was

27:53incredible. He was one of the greatest featherweights of all time But he got him

27:57to the point where he was like so furious He was like I'm gonna take

28:01this fucking guy's head off and then Conor's just like relaxed Yeah, like like he

28:05didn't care about any of the shit talking.

28:06Yeah, like yeah, we're having fun.

28:08Let's play he lost his composure Yeah, and he looked he looked very overwhelmed by

28:13the moment and oh and by the way Everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for

28:18that fight It was the nuttiest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.

28:22The entire Mandalay Bay was overcome with Irish people I mean overcome like you couldn't

28:30move there was nothing but Irish people everywhere and they were singing They were all

28:35singing together in the halls of this gigantic casino Packed bump like they're waiting in

28:42line for something and they were just there partying for Connor.

28:45I remember I think it was when I want to say it was when Look

28:48at all these people. Yeah, it was nuts.

28:50This is nuts man. They're all Irish people like you got to realize Nobody had

28:56a following like him like it.

28:58This is actually Irish people for the Floyd Mayweather fight They were still ride or

29:03die with him even for that fire room I think it was when he fought

29:06Dennis Seaver. I want to say and I think I was in Boston So I

29:09went to I went with a Louis J.

29:11Gomez my good friend hilarious comedian And he me and him went to some Irish

29:16bar To what like we just happen to be in midtown Manhattan and we were

29:20like all the fights are coming on Oh, they're playing it at this bar, you

29:23know, it was just like an Irish pub and dude I mean it wasn't even

29:26that big of a bar.

29:27They must have I mean it was Shoulder -to -shoulder Irish people losing their fucking

29:33minds like it was the but it was the most fun environment to watch a

29:36fight in because they're just I mean, they're just like but all that singing and

29:40chanting it seemed like everyone had an Irish flag with them Like it wasn't it

29:44was this in a little bar.

29:46It was this that's nuts, man Look at that.

29:49That's Mandalay Bay. Wow. Look at this.

29:52Oh, that's MGM Well, they were everywhere.

29:56They're probably at every fucking casino.

29:58There was this is crazy Imagine imagine if you you're from Northern Ireland You're like

30:11you still still remember the troubles You make your way to the hotel just came

30:18to Vegas for a little gambling.

30:19You don't follow MMA. You have no fucking idea.

30:22What's this all about? Oh I have picked a wrong fucking week for me vacation

30:30By the way, I was gonna say that Douglas Murray's big knock on me when

30:34he wrote his op -ed in the New York Post was he goes He goes,

30:36you know Dave goes on Joe Rogan and he talks about foreign policy like he's

30:39an expert But I bet he wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with him

30:42because then Joe would recognize he's not an expert and I was like We do

30:45that all the time We do that all the time I was like almost every

30:50time we hang out we end up talking MMA and like that it probably is

30:54fair that yeah There'll be moments where you'll correct me if I get something wrong

30:57So what but if I get it right?

30:59Yeah, you don't go that you're not an expert dumb Imagine we don't talk about

31:03MMA because you're not an expert.

31:05It's so silly. Well, I watch a lot of it Why is he so silly?

31:09I love Douglas. I really do.

31:11I've enjoyed talking to him.

31:12I think he's a brilliant man.

31:13But I was very disappointed with...

31:15You've never been? I'm very disappointed with that sort of strategy, that you shouldn't be

31:21talking about these things that are factual.

31:22But even more disappointed with that notion, the notion that you would never talk about

31:26MMA with me. First of all, I don't think I argue about MMA with anybody.

31:34I don't think anybody. If someone has a point about MMA, I never argue.

31:39I might say... You've corrected me when I've gotten things wrong.

31:42Yeah, or I might say I disagree.

31:44Some people think that a certain thing is going to happen, and I'm like, ooh,

31:48I don't see that. I disagree.

31:50That happens. Sure. Well, also, whatever point you're making is either a good point or

31:58it's not a good point, if it's an objective claim.

32:01You know what I mean?

32:02So, like, if I say, like, you know, when Volkanovsky fought Lopez, his jab was

32:08crucial. Okay, that's either correct or it's incorrect.

32:11Like, whether I'm an expert or not, I'm not an expert on fighting.

32:15But, yeah, geez, you could watch the fight and that would be correct.

32:17Yes, right. You can see, it's like, I saw he hit a home run.

32:20You're right. You're not even an expert.

32:21That's crazy. Well, you know, it was a weird thing during that show was, because

32:27it's a weird, I don't know, there's, like, weird incentives built into, like, all of

32:31this. Yes, incentives. Incentives are the right word, because there's a lot of people that

32:34are saying things, and you go, why are you saying that?

32:37Yeah. Well, also, from my perspective, I was a little disappointed with it, because I

32:41kind of thought, I was like, oh, this could be, like, a really cool thing.

32:44And it had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything that is, like,

32:49betraying confidence here. But the only thing that was ever said to me, I remember

32:52you called me and you were like, what do you think about doing this?

32:54And I think I said yes before you could finish answering.

32:57Yeah, yeah, you did. Yes, absolutely.

32:58Let's do that. And then you told me that he had said, hey, he really

33:05doesn't want this to devolve into, like, a food fight.

33:08He wants to make this, like, a good faith thing.

33:09And I was like, oh, awesome.

33:11And now I feel like he, like, Trump -Witkoff negotiated me.

33:15Like, he started, because then he came in and the whole thing was about me.

33:18He didn't want to talk about the issues at all.

33:20He just wanted, and so in a weird way, I was like, well, this sucks,

33:23because I thought we could have had a really cool thing.

33:24But then there was this other part of me that was like, I mean, he's

33:28really just handing this to me.

33:29You know what I mean?

33:30Like, he kind of just, like, gave me the win in a thing that was

33:34a big show with, like, you know, a lot of people I knew were going

33:38to watch it. I mean, obviously, every time I do your show, a lot of

33:40people are going to watch it.

33:41But that was a particularly big one.

33:43And so I was kind of, almost like, for the first 45 minutes of it,

33:46I was kind of sitting there like, oh, I can't believe he just, he went

33:50this route. Well, if you look at it objectively, there weren't a lot of options,

33:56right? Yeah. It's very difficult to argue the side that what they're doing, like, we

34:02were talking about Gaza in particular.

34:03Yeah. Like, the arguing that that's not horrific, if you're a human being and you

34:10recognize that there are human beings that are subjected to that government, just like you're

34:16subjected to ICE, you're subjected to Homeland Security, you're subjected to the cops.

34:22If you're a civilian, you have to listen to these orders.

34:25So if you're living in Gaza and you're a child or you're a woman and

34:29you live, you're not Hamas, okay?

34:31And the idea that you're responsible for October 7th, even if you're one of the

34:37people that cheered in the street, boy, don't you think you kind of have to

34:41cheer in the street if everybody else is cheering the street?

34:43If you're fucking in terror for your life and you have to, like, keep your

34:48safety intact, like, you've got to kind of go along with whatever everybody else is

34:52doing. I'm not saying that's good, but when you look at how that place is

34:58leveled, I mean, the most recent videos that I've seen were still, like, a few

35:03months old, so I don't know if it stopped.

35:05Did they stop bombing? I don't know what's going on.

35:07No, they've slowed down a bit, but they haven't stopped.

35:09Okay. There was nothing left, man.

35:12Yeah. And that represents people's homes.

35:14That represents schools. That represents hospitals.

35:17There's no way you can argue that that's not horrific.

35:21Yeah. Yeah. So he was stuck.

35:23That's right. That's right. It's kind of indefensible, and so instead you pivot to arguing

35:27against this guy rather than against the issue.

35:30Well, I think that, you know, it's in—I can't remember if this was in the

35:34letter to America or this was in his declaration of war against America, but Osama

35:39bin Laden literally said that civilians are fair targets because you guys have elections and

35:48you vote for these politicians and they're the ones who conduct these wars that slaughter

35:53innocent Muslims. So, like, just saying, it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say

35:58that civilians are responsible for— And in Gaza, like, they don't even really have a

36:03government. Hamas is not a government.

36:04They don't have regular elections.

36:05They had one election back in 05 or 06 or whatever it was, which Hamas

36:10did not even win majorities of.

36:13They won on pluralities. You know what I mean?

36:15And so the idea that you're holding these people responsible for Hamas just doesn't make

36:20any sense. And just on a very basic human level, you just kind of go—and

36:25I'm not, like, an egalitarian.

36:26I'm not saying all people are equal or all cultures are equal or anything like

36:30that. But on a very basic human level, like, those are real people, too.

36:34And when a mother is, like, pulling her six -year -old's dead body out of

36:40the rubble, that's the same exact experience as if your wife was pulling your six

36:45-year -old out of there.

36:45Like, that same thing is happening to her.

36:47And once you even just admit that, it does just change the calculation.

36:52It changes the calculation to be like, okay, look, the onus is on you to

36:56demonstrate that this is absolutely necessary.

36:59Like, there is no other option than to do it this way.

37:02And that makes defending most wars very difficult.

37:07Not all of them, you know, but most wars are very difficult to defend if

37:11you just run it through that filter of, like, is there any other option other

37:15than this? Have you exhausted everything else?

37:17And then, of course, in the case with Israel and Palestine, you go, oh, you

37:21never even tried to just give them— They're independents you've never tried to just let

37:25them out from this occupation and see if maybe that will improve things and It

37:30is crazy that the world didn't at one point in time stand up and say

37:35there's a simple solution here Like these people should have state like why do you

37:40get to control them? But they're not as really like they're they're kind of a

37:45country But not really because they're attached to you.

37:49Yeah, it's why don't you guys go buy another country?

37:52I give it to them and let them have a country or yeah They don't

37:56like being attached on the same small patch of dirt to people that have a

38:00totally different ideology I guess well, that's right and that look I mean it's just

38:05but we are yeah, we have Canadians right there Yes, but Canadians Canadians do get

38:10citizenship in their own country You know they get citizenship here too boy.

38:14That's the last thing ice is looking for is fucking Canadians like oh, yeah Your

38:19visa is expired and don't worry about it buddy get on the plane They probably

38:22have a much easier time like Canadians go.

38:24All right. Guess I got a goo.

38:25Well, yeah also, they can just Ditch the accent and pretend they're Americans and everybody

38:30will buy it. Yeah, it's much easier boat wrong.

38:33Yeah, you know They could just say aha.

38:35Sorry. I don't have my license on me.

38:36Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like okay, buddy.

38:39Where you from? I live in Iowa Okay, sounds right.

38:41That does check it out of here.

38:43All right shit That does shit that's going on the airports so that are they

38:47using? They're using ice now at the airports because first of all how many ice

38:53agents are there aren't they busy?

38:55How do you have time to put them in all the airports how many fucking

38:57air it's in the low tens of thousands There's not that many of them right

39:00so like how many airports are there?

39:02There's a lot of airports Okay, so you're putting ice in the airports We get

39:06all these nice guys. Are you hiring new ice guys to take the airport jobs?

39:11Like did you just like take seven weeks to train them?

39:13So did they have like a surplus of like a ice Factory where they're churning

39:18them out and putting them out there?

39:19I heard so I didn't see any of them I flew out here the other

39:22day and I didn't see any of them But then I did see people saying

39:25that they were at that the airport.

39:27I flew out from later that day up to 150 That's not a lot Immigration

39:31and customs enforcement officers were deployed at airports across the United States on Monday So

39:36I of course, you know You get on social media somebody sends you something and

39:41somebody sent me something. I'm not sure if it was true But it was like

39:44look at the difference between the lines at the airport before ice was there and

39:49after ice was there And tell me that only 10 million illegal aliens got in

39:56They're like what is the real we were talking about this last night like what's

40:01the real number? What is the real number of illegals in the United States?

40:06We don't know you were saying something about Ann Coulter Yeah, well she had um

40:09and this was from a while ago.

40:11So this was well she had she had in her book Adios America she had

40:17I believe it was from Bear Stearns.

40:19I could be wrong double -check man That was one one of the big finance

40:21companies that they had put a thing where like they put it between like 30

40:25and 50 million um total in the country And 50s why yeah, and this is

40:31before Joe Biden and them now.

40:33I don't know maybe maybe they got those numbers wrong before but what year was

40:36this book? Uh, I want to say 2014 2015 oh my god, that's 10 years

40:41Yeah, yeah So a lot of them a lot of them have come in since

40:45then Well at least 10 million they believe came in through the biden administration so

40:49over four years Well, I remember the numbers being like during the biden administration where

40:54they'd be like it was something like last month There were 700 ,000 border apprehensions

41:00and you're like well geez then how many were just flooding and you'd see those

41:03big Caravans coming in and stuff.

41:05I mean look it's a huge that that still is a a huge scandal And

41:10as much as I have really been really criticizing Trump and the Trump administration since

41:15last summer You know he he's done a good job in securing the border That

41:21is the one thing that like you kind of got to give him and he

41:23got that secured like right away But it is even if you think that it

41:29should be open and those people should be able to travel freely They should there's

41:33no one's illegal on stolen land that kind of shit You know how much sex

41:38trafficking happened during that time of children.

41:40I mean children were trafficked that way You know me children were dragged across the

41:44border and sold to Psychopaths.

41:47Oh, yeah. Oh, it's horrible.

41:49I mean I saw. Um, oh, there's and it was at least 15 at least

41:5250 million Illegals in the country today.

41:55See my book adios america for the analysis from Pulitzer prize -winning reporters and numbers

42:00crunchers from bear I was right.

42:02It was bears. This is 2022 this post The book is like the book is

42:08from before I want to say 2015, but it's around that is crazy Uh, that's

42:15crazy Supposedly this is the book that uh got donald trump on the immigration issue

42:22Uh, at least i've heard i've heard am coulter say that before.

42:25Maybe that's right. Maybe that's not right, but um But yeah, I mean look it's

42:29like it's also a particularly it's a it's a profound like act of of treachery

42:37for a government to do that to its own country like to allow that and

42:43and really facilitate that to happen Against the will of the domestic population like if

42:49you were to i've tried to look this up before I was trying to figure

42:51this out because I did a big immigration debate last year Um, or maybe the

42:55year before and I was trying you can't even get numbers on what the polling

42:59on open borders is Because no one even asked the question in polling because it's

43:02like they asked like Do you think immigration policy should be less restrictive or more

43:07restrictive? Right because the number of people who support open but it's like maybe one

43:11percent of the country supports that It's as unified an issue as anyone could have

43:15that no you can't just have the border wide open Right, and so to do

43:19that to the american people against the way like you you drastically change the country

43:23in a way that is not really It's not easy to just undo.

43:29I mean as we've seen right donald trump backed off of mass deportations almost immediately

43:33Because big business doesn't want it and then because Look like the level of violence

43:39that you'd need to just physically deport 50 million people Is gonna be something that

43:44the American people just aren't gonna put up with I mean you even see in

43:47in Minnesota and and Rightfully so I completely understand it but you see like You

43:52know I saw one thing I saw that Trump had asked the ICE agents who

43:56were going to the airports to not wear their masks And I was like is

43:59that even a that's even a an option?

44:02Why would they be masked in the airport?

44:04Because they're ICE agents yeah, they get doxxed well, that's their concern and look I

44:07understand that real concern I understand that concern organized, but at the same time You

44:12know there is a balancing act there and you know a lot of people like

44:15a lot of right -wingers will say hey look if you're You know if you

44:18came here illegally then that's a crime you're here illegally That's the law and hey,

44:22I get that argument But also the supreme law of the land is the Constitution

44:26of the United States of America And I've seen a ton of videos where there

44:30were masked ICE agents not even identifying themselves Going up to people telling them that

44:36you have to answer my questions.

44:37You don't have an option to walk away Which is like not what that was

44:40my take on it is that you can't accept people that are masked that don't

44:45have any paperwork that don't have a warrant on the streets in militarized situations because

44:51if they're using it for this which you agree to That opens up the door

44:56for them to use it because you won't take your vaccine or because you did

45:00this or did that or whatever the fuck It is if a different person gets

45:04in power Maybe they're gonna use it for something you don't support.

45:07It's just not something you're supposed to accept.

45:09That's right You don't want something someone told me that is this is a very

45:14credible source that I can't reveal what the source is But they told me that

45:18there are people in this country and not just a few but many many that

45:23are affiliated with terrorist organizations Organizations could directly affiliated but they've applied for Asylum and

45:32because they've applied for asylum you can't deport them until they go through the entire

45:36process That is wild that is wild.

45:40Yeah, so there's people that are known at least Terrorist sympathizers they're in community direct

45:45communication with terrorists terrorist networks.

45:48They've done things with terrorist networks and And they've applied for asylum.

45:54So you have to go through this long ass process through the legal system and

45:58it's up to a judge Whether or not this person who may or may not

46:02Be a part of a fucking sleeper cell gets to stay in America Yeah, suicidal

46:09empathy. That's what Gadsad calls it.

46:11You know, I think he's right I think he's got a fair point there with

46:15suicidal empathy in terms of the idea of like that we That we cannot say

46:22On some level that it's like no look we have a desire to preserve our

46:27society and we want to do what's bad And we don't have to out of

46:30some feeling of guilt Turn our country into something worse than what it otherwise would

46:34be So I think he's got a point there I think and look and then

46:37i'm not a big fan of Gads He uh literally just him and like sam

46:42harris and a few others They literally just trash me all the time and refuse

46:45to engage on a single thing.

46:47I've said so like it'll just be He calls me wikipedia dave Yeah on twitter

46:53and it's a well look I like the guy Well, I have a different relationship

46:57with them than you do Well, that's true and i'm a big critic of israel

47:00and he's a massad agent.

47:01So there is that that is part of you think he is He's admitted that

47:04he worked for massad in the past.

47:06Yes. Yeah, he's I guess he would say he's not He retired like I used

47:10to yeah, yeah, I used to work for newport creamery.

47:12I don't represent them anymore I think it's a little bit different with the massad

47:15thing but I also think that the the big component that I think all of

47:20those guys are are missing is that We also create more enemies with our foreign

47:26policy and that that's not to say that like You know they always kind of

47:32caricature my position on this like i'm not saying islam is all peaceful and there

47:36are no problems in the islamic world or anything like that in fact, I don't

47:40think any religion is truly always been peaceful um but You know for guys like

47:47say like sam harris Um who these kind of like pretend intellectuals who have spent

47:53he spent his entire career Talking about how violent and irrational the muslims are and

47:59how you can't even draw a cartoon Of muhammad or muslims will want to do

48:03violent stuff and like hey fair enough.

48:05That's bullshit And we should all say like if you want to be over here

48:07in the west our values are free speech and you cannot kill people for cartoons

48:13but then like none of them ever also go hey You know murdering an ayatollah

48:21Might be dangerous during ramadan.

48:24Yeah Like that is you know, that is not just a political figure to shiite

48:28muslims that is a so At the same time, it's like okay.

48:32I'm fine with saying okay.

48:33You don't want to have suicidal empathy um my uh My my buddy keith knight

48:39who's brilliant Uh works over at the libertarian institute he had I forget what he

48:43said, but he he said something like okay I don't want to have suicidal empathy

48:46Let's also not have homicidal empathy You know and so like maybe it also is

48:51like as we were tying into that whole conversation with no i'm okay things um

48:55with the whole thing about the the kids and women in gaza it's like it's

49:00also the fact that if you just view Slaughtering muslim children in the middle east

49:08and in northern africa as like just an acceptable Political price, you know, that's just

49:14collateral damage And unfortunately that happens when we pursue this policy You're going to deal

49:19with more and more of that and the combination of both joe Like the combination

49:24of having open borders Having all these people get in and continuing the war on

49:29terrorism and slaughtering people in these numbers Must be the most insane combination Yeah, ever

49:34the idea that you'd be like we're gonna uh, you know, we're gonna just Make

49:37an entire generation of of muslims hate us Because so many of them have seen

49:43what we've done to their countries and also we'll welcome all of them in with

49:45no checks And we can't get rid of them when they come here.

49:47Yeah, that is quite a combination.

49:49Yeah, it's it's all nuts It's the Sam Harris thing.

49:53I should clarify this because he's apparently talked about me again recently on Bill Maher.

49:59We didn't not talk because it was his idea.

50:03It was me. He wanted to do a podcast with me.

50:07He wanted to do a COVID wrap -up to go over everything that happened, all

50:16the mistakes that were made and his position, my position.

50:19Because that's where we kind of like separate.

50:21He was very pro -vaccine.

50:24I said, I won't do that until you talk to Brett Weinstein, that you need

50:30to talk to Brett. Like Brett, you disparaged him publicly.

50:35I think you said things that weren't correct.

50:38You called him a conspiracy theorist and you said you wouldn't platform him because it's

50:42dangerous. I don't believe that's true.

50:43I believe the problem is that Sam was incorrect about both the effectiveness and the

50:50safety of the COVID vaccines.

50:52Brett was correct. And Brett didn't insult Sam.

50:57Sam insulted Brett. I mean, Brett said things about Sam since, but it was Sam.

51:02And I said, look, you got to talk to him first.

51:04You can't just talk to me, you know, especially because he's an actual evolutionary biologist.

51:09Like he understands these things.

51:12He knows what he's talking about.

51:14He's had multiple conversations with high -level vaccinologists and all these different people that worked

51:20on the mRNA vaccines. Like he was correct.

51:24We all know that now.

51:25We know that all the things that he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't

51:30work, social distancing, the lockdowns, all the above, all the above.

51:36He didn't want to talk to Brett.

51:39And I said, that doesn't make sense to me.

51:40Like you talk to everybody.

51:41You have debates with Muslims on stage.

51:44Yeah, that's right. That doesn't make any sense.

51:45Like why wouldn't you talk to Brett?

51:47I don't think he wanted to talk to Brett because I don't – I think

51:51he didn't want to talk to Brett because Brett's right.

51:53Yeah. And I think it's indefensible.

51:55No, I completely agree. I mean, you know, I had a – By the way,

51:58I don't hate Sam. You know, he could say all the crazy shit he wants.

52:01He also said, like, I don't think you should interview Gaddafi.

52:04Guess what? I would if Gaddafi was alive, 100 % I would interview Gaddafi.

52:09Gaddafi – did you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about Gaddafi?

52:12I don't think so. He did a clip that went viral that was on this

52:15show where he talked about why they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi.

52:18Right. And, like, well, they talked about how evil Gaddafi was and how he subjugated

52:23his people. You can't see if you can find that.

52:26Russell Crowe on Gaddafi. He wanted to create a United States of Africa.

52:33Yeah. He wanted to get him on the gold standard.

52:35He wanted to get him off the U .S.

52:37dollar. Like, he had some very dangerous ideas.

52:40Now, he also supported Palestinian resistance.

52:43Yeah, that was it. There's no sound thing in there?

52:50Oh, there it is. Here it is.

52:55We are taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.

52:59Okay. But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the

53:04leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a

53:09certain age. You look at the fact that everybody's education and health care is free.

53:14You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further education

53:21overseas, all of the costs of that were paid for by the government.

53:25Now, these are all things put in place by the same country's leader that we're

53:31told is evil and corrupt.

53:35Yeah. So it doesn't quite balance.

53:38Well, there's also U .S.

53:41government interference. That is one that we definitely monkeyed with.

53:47I mean, he ran afoul of the United States government.

53:51We are taught, for example.

53:52There was the famous clip with Hillary.

53:55I showed a friend of mine the other day that he hadn't seen it and

53:58he couldn't believe it was real.

53:59Well, she was on this show and she gets unconfirmed information first that they got

54:05Gaddafi and then she gets confirmed that he's dead.

54:07And she goes, we came, we saw, he died.

54:11Ha, ha, ha, ha. She was so excited about it.

54:14But laughing. And then that led to Libya, at least for a while, becoming a

54:19failed state. Oh, it still is.

54:21It still is this whole time, man.

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55:21And you know, the thing is that they called that Hillary's war.

55:25She was the Secretary of State at the time under Barack Obama, but she's really

55:29the one who championed that.

55:30And I believe Obama wrote in his book that he was 50 -50 and that

55:35Hillary really pushed him to that.

55:36And he said his big regret was that he didn't think about what came next

55:40after Gaddafi. Because somehow we haven't learned that lesson yet.

55:43Like after Iraq, you'd never thought of that.

55:46Listen, but thank God Trump's figured it out.

55:48Oh, yeah. Trump's figured it out.

55:51We'll go in this drastic new direction of getting the seventh war that they wanted.

55:55Don't be a pussy, Dave.

55:56Jesus Christ. Did you see that one, I don't know what military expert was on

56:00television who said something about we need a fan of boots on the ground like

56:04Rome? Like hey fucker Rome didn't have nuclear weapons and drones Rome didn't have drones

56:12that hunt you. Yeah, we talking about boots on the ground Should we fight with

56:15swords so get everybody to fight with swords?

56:17Is that what you're saying?

56:18The fuck are you saying?

56:19Well, also like what What even is the plan with boots on the ground like

56:24what are you talking about here?

56:26You're gonna know you're gonna take an island it goes, okay Well, then you're gonna

56:29be a target you're gonna be target practice as long as the Iranian regime is

56:32still standing And if you're talking about militarily occupying the country like we did with

56:37Iraq or Afghanistan or something like that This is a huge country with 92 million

56:41people. How many how many soldiers do you think you need to occupy that country?

56:45You need a draft at least half a million and probably you can't do it

56:49with that So what are you talking about here?

56:51And so you're saying what are we gonna start a draft for the least popular

56:54war going in in American history?

56:57Yeah, because I don't think that's happening.

56:59Yeah, this is maybe Slightly more popular than Vietnam Going in it's less.

57:06I'm sure Vietnam by the end was very very unpopular Vietnam going in didn't make

57:11any sense did it? There's I guess the Gulf of Tonkin incident Most people in

57:16America were like why are we doing this?

57:18What's going on? You're drafting people to go to Vietnam We're fighting communism in Vietnam.

57:24Yeah, what well they called what they called it Vietnam syndrome That the American people

57:30had which is that we didn't want to fight a war again after that was

57:33that that's from their perspective That's a syndrome Um, and uh, there's is it's really

57:38something they think they think by the way Ben Shapiro used the same line called

57:42He said Trump finally broke Iraq war syndrome because they think see from Ben Shapiro's

57:49perspective The illness is after you lie the American people into a war and slaughter

57:55a million people the illness isn't that that you might look at that as the

57:59bad part But the bad part is that these these annoying Americans have this tendency

58:04to not want to do that again After that, um, but he claims Trump has

58:09broken Iraq war syndrome, of course, there's really no evidence with support of the American

58:13people that the that has changed at all and you know, the George HW Bush

58:19Uh was said to have defeated Vietnam war syndrome Uh in Panama and in Iraq

58:26because they were relatively easy, right?

58:29You know bloodless on the American side or rel or very very limited, uh, you

58:34know injuries and deaths Um, and and they you know, they weren't like quagmires that

58:39went on forever or whatever but Of course after the Persian Gulf war in in

58:4592 we went on to be bombing Iraq for Ever since essentially, you know, I

58:52mean for 30 straight years after that Well, we were still at war with that

58:55country think for a million people being dead Yeah, um, what is public support?

59:00Let's put that into our sponsor perplexity What is current public support?

59:05For the iran war in america?

59:08And first of all, how will they know?

59:09No one's asked me You know I'm saying that's a fair like that's what I

59:12always say about about uh polls When was the last time you answered a poll?

59:16When was the last time anybody called you up and said dave met first of

59:19all When was the last time you ever picked up the phone if you didn't

59:21know who was calling? And then when you do answer was the last time you

59:24said yes to a poll I don't I don't even remember ever getting called It

59:27has to be the dumbest of dumb people that answer those polls So then you

59:31got to realize out of those stupid fucking idiots Even how many of them think

59:37the war is a good idea?

59:39It's even unpopular amongst them I mean What does it say here?

59:44Most recent national polls show americans overall oppose the current war with iran and think

59:49u .s military action has gone too far Um a quinnipack poll finds fifty four

59:54percent. What is the quinnipack quinnipayak?

59:57Poll finds fifty four percent of u .s voters Opposed u .s military action against

1:00:02iran and thirty nine percent support it I'm wondering how many of those thirty nine

1:00:07percent or And not too much we don't have the numbers a poll reports about

1:00:13six and right What is the number of jewish people in america two percent something

1:00:17like that? Uh, six and ten adults say u .s military action against iran has

1:00:22gone too far Only about a quarter say it's been about right 25 percent poof

1:00:27First of all You know whenever you're talking about these kind of things It's like

1:00:32Who again who who are we talking about who?

1:00:36Who was asked? Finds republicans largely support the military action around eighty six percent support

1:00:43Whoa Yeah, there's really because I talked to a lot of republicans and thinks it's

1:00:48a terrible idea While large majorities of democrats around ninety two percent and independents about

1:00:54sixty four percent oppose it 92 percent Who are the eight percent of democrats that

1:00:59are like let's fucking go you think maybe they're jews All right, they work for

1:01:03cnn You know, whatever cnn thinks it's a good idea.

1:01:06No Dude cnn is running cover for donald trump during this time.

1:01:12Come on for real. Oh, yeah No way.

1:01:14Yeah, they put up a poll the other day.

1:01:15They had a graphic that said 100 percent of maga supports the war in uh,

1:01:20in iran There's it's like CNN said that?

1:01:22After all these years People say he liked it or something like that Oh, but

1:01:26hold on a second. CNN likes me Is that running cover or is that making

1:01:30them look bad because most americans don't support the war and most Democrats 92 percent

1:01:36don't support the war so if that's the case wouldn't that just make it look

1:01:39these maga people are a Fucking problem.

1:01:41I I guess oh my god maga gop view of trump.

1:01:45Can I hear how he says it?

1:01:47Or would it be a problem rating among That's not him talking it's someone else.

1:01:50Okay That seems Bonkers It seems bonkers approve 100 percent.

1:01:56How many people just two?

1:01:58Well, there's guys with Maga hats if you notice the way they say this right,

1:02:01so they don't just say gop voters They say maga gop voters And so what

1:02:07they're doing here is that they're filtering who they consider to be maga and who

1:02:11they can see to consider to be Maga are the people who still say they

1:02:14support donald trump But almost like 100 of the people who don't support this war

1:02:19stop supporting donald Trump over it.

1:02:21Right, but look at this little thing on the bottom that they don't show you.

1:02:2566%, 31 % split among non -MAGA.

1:02:29Right. But is that non -MAGA Republicans?

1:02:31Is that what you're saying?

1:02:32No, I think that's non -MAGA Americans, I believe.

1:02:36How, like, the whole MAGA thing, it's like, how did, we're so fractioned as it

1:02:40is. Yeah. Like, this whole idea of right versus left as it is, and now

1:02:44you've got a MAGA section of the right?

1:02:46It's all just ridiculous, dude.

1:02:47But it's a way to describe it as anything other than what it is, which

1:02:51is the most unpopular war in American history going into it.

1:02:53And for good reason. Look, dude, he didn't even bother to, like, sell us on

1:02:57a propaganda campaign about it.

1:02:59It was, like, the laziest, like, just lie, just lie us into it.

1:03:03Let's put on a fucking firm tinfoil hat right now.

1:03:07Let's get a double layer Reynolds wrap, fucking crease the edges, fold it down.

1:03:15Why would he want to do this?

1:03:17Why would he want to, look, I am not denying that the regime of Iran

1:03:25is a giant problem. I am certainly not denying that if I was Israel, I

1:03:28would not want them there.

1:03:29They hate you. They're trying to get a nuclear weapon.

1:03:31They're right there. I get the Israel position.

1:03:34I totally understand how they're so just vehemently in defense of their homeland.

1:03:41Like, they're surrounded by people that hate them.

1:03:43They're the one Jewish country.

1:03:45Everyone else is a Muslim.

1:03:47They all want a caliphate.

1:03:48They all want to kill them.

1:03:49It's been going on forever.

1:03:50They think it's in God's word that they have it.

1:03:53It's a lot of craziness.

1:03:54I get it. Why now?

1:04:01Like, why now? Like, what does that make any sense?

1:04:05Well, Trump himself has said, which literally this would be, like, considered an anti -Semitic

1:04:12conspiracy theory if anyone else had said it.

1:04:14But Donald Trump has openly talked about many times how the Adelson's give them all

1:04:19this money, and they come by every day, and all they have is another demand

1:04:23on behalf of Israel. Donald Trump also, very early in his political career, got in

1:04:30trouble with the Israel lobby and then immediately pivoted to winning their favor back over

1:04:37by saying he would tear up the JCPOA, the Iran deal that Obama got us

1:04:41into. And it looks to me, you know, there's speculation aside.

1:04:46Who knows exactly what control they have over the guy?

1:04:49But it looks to me that after Venezuela and when there were these big street

1:04:56protests and riots against the regime and around there, that they convinced Trump, and this

1:05:00is what Joe Kent, his director of counterterrorism, has said, too, that they essentially convinced

1:05:06him that this would be the time.

1:05:09You could do it swiftly, surgically remove the regime, and the people would rise up

1:05:14and overthrow it. And this is what Donald Trump said when he launched this war.

1:05:19He said, this is a regime change, and I'm calling on the great people of

1:05:22Iran to rise up. And they did.

1:05:24They rose up by at least the hundreds of thousands they were out in Tehran

1:05:28in defense of the regime chanting death to America.

1:05:32Because it turns out when you kill 165 little girls, that doesn't make a country

1:05:39go, we love you. Thank you for that.

1:05:42But before the bombing, there were people in the streets that were protesting.

1:05:46And people were killed because of that, a lot.

1:05:49That's the other thing, is that that regime is, like, they clamp down, and they

1:05:53do it with public figures.

1:05:55They killed a very prominent wrestler from Iran.

1:05:57Yeah. Really, two of them.

1:05:59They killed one a few years back.

1:06:01The UFC tried to step in and somehow or other stop it, but he was

1:06:05also one that was accused of protesting against the government.

1:06:08Listen, I don't know about this most recent one.

1:06:10I'm not saying this is true at all.

1:06:11I don't trust any governments, but they claimed he killed a few cops.

1:06:16That's what the Iranian regime said he was being hung for.

1:06:19Now, I don't know. Yeah, the wrestler.

1:06:22Oh, I didn't see that.

1:06:23He was convicted of that, whatever that means, in a mullah -run court.

1:06:28So I'm not saying that's right at all.

1:06:30But I will say this, right?

1:06:32Donald Trump, when he launched this war, and there's been a whole lot of just

1:06:36false claims that have been made.

1:06:38But he said specifically that they killed 32 ,000 protesters.

1:06:44There has not been a shred of evidence presented to back up this claim.

1:06:50Now, I'm not saying it's not true.

1:06:52I'm not putting it past this government that they would do that.

1:06:56And they've acknowledged that a lot of people have died.

1:06:58I think they – the last I had seen was that – I know they

1:07:01were saying – the government of Iran was before the Ayatollah was killed.

1:07:05They were saying it was something like 3 ,000 people had died.

1:07:09And then the CIA said – But when you say died, does it mean they

1:07:12killed the protesters? Well, that's unclear.

1:07:14That's not what they are claiming.

1:07:15But then the CIA – at least there was a piece in the Washington –

1:07:18excuse me, in the Wall Street Journal where they had said – and this was

1:07:21like a week and a half into it – that they estimated like 6 ,500

1:07:24or something like that. But this is a huge question, right?

1:07:27And it's not clear at all.

1:07:29Like were they lining people up and just executing them for the crime of protesting?

1:07:34They hung the wrestler. But I'm saying the people who have been killed here.

1:07:38Iran protest death toll could top 30 ,000 according to local health officials.

1:07:45And this is from Time Magazine.

1:07:47As many as 30 ,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran

1:07:50on January 8th and 9th alone.

1:07:53Two senior officials of the country's Ministry of Health told Time, indicating a dramatic surge

1:07:57in the death toll. So many people were slaughtered by Iranian security services that Thursday

1:08:02and Friday it overwhelmed the state's capacity to dispose of the dead.

1:08:07Stocks of body bags were exhausted, the officials said, and 18 -wheel semi -trailers replaced

1:08:14ambulances. Now, listen, all I'm saying here, man, is that you've got to be –

1:08:18I've just seen this movie play out a lot of times.

1:08:20You've got to be really careful about these accusations that are made in the run

1:08:23-up to a war. They're basically saying we have a source who told us this.

1:08:27What year was this? I mean, excuse me, what date was this?

1:08:29January 25th. January 25th. So the protest started in late December and then in January.

1:08:34Time was unable to independently verify these figures.

1:08:39That's right. Listen, the claim being made here, right, is that, look, in this point,

1:08:44they said in two days, in two days, 30 ,000 people were killed.

1:08:47If that is true, that is up there with one of the biggest massacres in

1:08:52human history. The biggest massacres during World War II were, like, around that.

1:08:56It says, as of Saturday, U .S.-based human rights activist news agency had confirmed 5

1:09:02,459 deaths and is investigating 17 ,000 more.

1:09:07Yes. So that's at least close.

1:09:10So we're in the neighborhood.

1:09:11We're in the 20s, just if what they're investigating turns out to be accurate.

1:09:16If that's the case. But we're talking also here, Joe, about, like, NED -funded U

1:09:21.S.-based NGOs who are really around hawks, you know?

1:09:24Good point. And so, and I'm just saying, like, look, the claim, the claim here

1:09:28is that around, you know, I saw a bunch of the Zionists online when this

1:09:32was first coming out back in January.

1:09:34They were like, oh, my God, they've already killed half as many people as died

1:09:38in Gaza in just a couple days.

1:09:40And you're like, right, that's a pretty, that's a hell of a claim, right?

1:09:44I mean, like, if you, just from following wars all these years, if you started

1:09:47carpet bombing Tehran, Vietnam style, carpet bombing Tehran, after two days, that's the type of

1:09:54death toll you'd be looking at.

1:09:56Well, the thing is, we don't, they don't have internet access to the rest of

1:09:59the world. Well, they shut down the internet during that period.

1:10:01But there were pictures that came out.

1:10:03And all I'm saying is that if you had numbers like that, you would expect

1:10:06there to be some evidence that you could point to.

1:10:09And there's, like, one picture where they've pointed to, like, a couple dozen body bags

1:10:13and been like, see, look at this.

1:10:14But, look, I'm not, maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

1:10:17I'm very skeptical of these claims when they're made right before we launch a war.

1:10:21But I think the other point is that, at least according, and there has been

1:10:26some evidence of this, right?

1:10:27There were police stations that were burned.

1:10:29There were mosques that were attacked.

1:10:31These were not just peaceful protests.

1:10:34I'm not saying they don't have a right to violently rise up and overthrow their

1:10:36government, whatever. But all the hawks in the West were saying these people are trying

1:10:42to overthrow their government. Not only that, in the past, our agencies, our intelligence agencies,

1:10:48have engaged in nefarious practices where we have conscripted certain people to go and light

1:10:56things on fire and blow things up and create these events to accelerate.

1:11:02Front page of the Jerusalem Post, they were bragging that there was Mossad within the

1:11:05protests. So, now, look, I don't know.

1:11:09But also, the thing is this, right?

1:11:10If you are trying to overthrow a government, a government will kill you for doing

1:11:15that. And that's true about every government, including our own.

1:11:19Including our own. If armed protesters went to try to overthrow Barack Obama's government, he

1:11:25would kill those people if they were actually a threat to do that.

1:11:28How about Ashley Babbitt was murdered January 6th?

1:11:30And every single left -winger in the country went, well, that's okay.

1:11:33It was an insurrection. And, by the way, every single right -winger in this country,

1:11:37when this Petty guy got killed, were like, well, he was interfering.

1:11:41Oh, I saw it. But, by the way, the Petty thing was the most textbook

1:11:45example of a bad shooting.

1:11:46There's just no defending it.

1:11:48They had disarmed the guy.

1:11:49He's down. There's six of them.

1:11:51They panic. They put six bullets in him.

1:11:52Do you know what happened, though?

1:11:53Do you know the whole story of the gun?

1:11:56The gun being removed? Yeah.

1:11:58Do you know the whole story about the gun?

1:11:59No. Okay, the gun is a SIG P320.

1:12:02A SIG P320 is notorious for accidental discharges.

1:12:07Right. There is a video of the cop removing the gun, walking off.

1:12:11Yes, I saw that. And the gun goes off.

1:12:13And is that his gun for sure?

1:12:15Yeah. Because I thought that hadn't been determined, whether or not.

1:12:18I heard people speculating about that.

1:12:19I've watched the video multiple times, and I've watched other people's analysis of it.

1:12:23Obviously, I'm no expert, but I do know something about guns.

1:12:26And that gun in particular, it's been demonstrated online that it will go off.

1:12:31There's a cop inside of a precinct.

1:12:33He bends over, not touching his gun, gun in the holster, and it goes off.

1:12:38There's a video of a guy on a range, and the gun just goes off.

1:12:43And he goes, whose fucking gun was that?

1:12:45And the range master goes, is that a SIG?

1:12:49And he goes, yeah. He goes, get that fucking gun off of my range.

1:12:53Wow. Because it's a P320.

1:12:55So SIG, I should be real clear, SIG makes a bunch of guns that are

1:12:58awesome. Like the P365 is one of the best carry guns in the world.

1:13:02There's a lot of guns they make that don't have this issue.

1:13:04But that particular gun that Preddy had with one in the chamber is fucking knuckleheads

1:13:08walking around with one in the chamber.

1:13:10Absolutely. And I'm just saying, the only point I'm making is that it's clearly, it

1:13:15was a fuck -up. I'm not saying they wanted to execute the guy.

1:13:18I'm just saying they had the gun taken from him.

1:13:21They didn't communicate that to each other.

1:13:22They freaked out, but literally all it took was seeing one video 11 days earlier

1:13:28where he kicked the back of a cop car, and for every right -winger to

1:13:31go, yeah, whatever, dude. Got what you deserve.

1:13:33So all my point is about this, looking at this in the Iranian regime, it's

1:13:39just not clear. Like, what are you actually accusing them of?

1:13:43Are you saying that somebody was trying to overthrow the government and the government mowed

1:13:47them down? Are you saying that they lined up protesters and shot them all in

1:13:50the back of the head simply for voicing their opinion?

1:13:53Like, none of this is made clear, but when the war drums are beating, no

1:13:57one even cares to, like, ask these questions.

1:13:59It's just like, yep, they killed their own people.

1:14:01And then if you notice with this war, much like with Venezuela and almost like

1:14:04with all of them, they just keep giving you, like, they throw, like, 15 justifications

1:14:09at it. You know? And you're like, wait, which one is the reason we're fighting

1:14:13this? Because I saw all of them like to play the humanitarian card and go,

1:14:17we're doing this to, you know, for these oppressed people.

1:14:19We want them to rise up.

1:14:20They've been living under this brutal regime.

1:14:22And you're like, OK, two things.

1:14:23Like, number one, that is simply just not how U .S.

1:14:27foreign policy works. We don't fight wars on humanitarian grounds.

1:14:31You know what I mean?

1:14:32Like, we're partners with some of the most brutal authoritarians in the world.

1:14:36And we've, and in the case of, like, Israel, we've been funding their destruction of

1:14:40Gaza for the last two and a half years.

1:14:42Like, it's, and, and so, like, that's not really what's motivating this here.

1:14:46And then, number two, Donald Trump, even just the other.

1:14:49They said he'll be partners with the new Ayatollah and run the Strait of Hormuz

1:14:53together He's back say that yeah, he's backed off of regime change or there's the

1:14:59idea that I've been talking to him is someone talking to him like who who's

1:15:04he talking to? Do they know who they're talking to because it's not like they're

1:15:07meeting Donald Trump said some guys on the phone I am free to negotiate dude.

1:15:13He's he said Donald Trump himself said the other day that um That he goes

1:15:19negotiate we're negotiating negotiations are going great and they go who are you negotiating with

1:15:23and he goes a person We believe to be in charge And then they said

1:15:27so is this the new supreme leader and he said no no no one's heard

1:15:31from that guy We don't know where he is some hacker in his basement in

1:15:34Belarus It's not talking with an Iranian accent and he's got them convinced well, it's

1:15:42just I have the authority to negotiate Uh, let's be partners.

1:15:48Let's be for wire 1 million Bitcoin to this address Well, everything I'm seeing publicly

1:15:55reported today is that Iran is like no We're not in these negotiations.

1:16:01We've made our terms clear and their terms what they're asking for is something that

1:16:05Donald Trump is not going to be able to give them what's that?

1:16:07Uh, they're they're their demands were That we we stopped attacking immediately like that part

1:16:16they might get that we pay them restitution for all the damage so far That's

1:16:23essentially that we leave the region.

1:16:25I mean they had a few other things there that were just like and then

1:16:28that's they want them to open up a Terry blacks in Tehran This one this

1:16:34one was really important to us if we could just get one one Terry blacks

1:16:37barbecue. We don't have a good barbecue here Um, it's it it doesn't seem like

1:16:43if if he's not really negotiating with this guy If it's like if that's not

1:16:47true, and he's is like putting this out there in the public is like a

1:16:50negotiation ploy What a clusterfuck because you're you're dealing with people that don't mind dying

1:16:57they they they believe I mean, these are Very religious people.

1:17:02They're fanatical. They believe they're going to go to heaven.

1:17:05They believe they're martyrs and they're they're fighting for a law This is this is

1:17:09the just and holy war Well, they've also been attacked.

1:17:13Well, that's right and they've been preparing for this for a long time Um, you

1:17:17know, and they like there's you know, people make a lot out of um, the

1:17:20chance that the iranians, you know They chant death to america and what you got

1:17:24there jimmy And who is in control of it?

1:17:30Will iran still be able to control the flow of oil?

1:17:33Be jointly controlled By whom?

1:17:36Maybe me Maybe me Me and the ayatollah whoever the ayatollah is whoever the next

1:17:43ayatollah look And they'll also be a form of a a very serious form of

1:17:48a regime change now in all fairness Everybody's been killed from the regime.

1:17:54There's automatically a Regime change, but we're dealing with some people that I find to

1:18:00be very reasonable very solid The people within know who they are they're very respected

1:18:06and Maybe one of them will be Exactly what we're looking for look at venezuela

1:18:12how well that's working out I mean dude, this is such a fucking mess This

1:18:18is such a mess dude.

1:18:19I mean, this is just too ridiculous dude and the you know, the thing is

1:18:23that A lot of people, you know, i've spent a long time at this point

1:18:27being against this war Because this war has been telegraphed since you know, the the

1:18:32bush administration wanted to do this shit and um Yet least for like 15 years.

1:18:37I've been publicly Opposing this war and one of the reasons why so many of

1:18:43us oppose this and it's a shitty way to be vindicated but is that?

1:18:47Look, iran is just not like any of the other opponents in the global war

1:18:52on terrorism It's a it's a different beast entirely and you've seen this already only

1:18:56three weeks in We never dealt with any of this with any of the other

1:18:59countries. You know what? I mean, we had what the pentagon calls escalation dominance in

1:19:04all of those other wars Which is all essentially like it's just like meaning like

1:19:09if you do this we do this if you do that Like we're prepared for

1:19:11everything. It's kind of like escalation dominance is a lot like uh You're like in

1:19:15jujitsu where you see really high level guys who basically put you in a position

1:19:19where you can make one of two choices in either way You know, like okay,

1:19:22you can you can give me your back and i'll choke you or you can

1:19:25push off me and i'll arm bar You and you you know, like whatever option

1:19:27you have i'm gonna get you we don't have that with the round and pentagon's

1:19:32been open about this since at least 2007 um And the the fact is that

1:19:36as we're already seeing they can target ships in the strait of harmoose They can

1:19:40target our assets our bases our embassies in the region.

1:19:43They can target our allies and this is a big problem And so like it

1:19:48seems like donald trump got into this thinking it would be like venezuela It would

1:19:52be quick and bloodless and easy and he could claim victory Now that it's not

1:19:57gone that way It seems like he's kind of Scrambling for what the the what

1:20:03the off ramp is here.

1:20:04Yeah Now at least I give donald trump as angry as I am with him

1:20:08um Like at least it is true that he's looking for an off ramp It

1:20:13seems like and he did this with the 12 day war right like he he

1:20:15started the war He saw an off ramp and he and he took off he

1:20:19took it the problem here really is that This war changed the calculation from the

1:20:25iranian perspective and that much is clear so far, you know the after 9 -11

1:20:31All the countries in the middle east and north africa all the ones were essentially

1:20:34they all waved the white flag all of them Saddam hussein welcomed un inspectors in

1:20:40he was trying to do anything He could to not meet the fate that he

1:20:43ultimately met. Gaddafi denuclearized got rid of chemical weapons Bashar al -Assad got rid of

1:20:48all his chemical weapons like they were all just like we don't want it with

1:20:51you, you know And iran was very much the same way They they got into

1:20:56the jcpoa they allowed an inspections regime in to come look at their their nuclear

1:21:00facilities all of that And even up to the 12 day war when we we

1:21:05dropped the bunker buster as an Israel bombed a whole bunch of regime targets they

1:21:09still in their response called ahead made sure there'd be no U .S.

1:21:14troops there they they hit the side of a little base there and then they

1:21:18kind of went like they gave Trump an off -ramp because they didn't want it

1:21:22you know they didn't want it they don't want to die like Muammar Gaddafi they

1:21:24don't want to you know have their country destroyed so for self -preservation reasons they

1:21:29showed restraint the calculation this time clearly already from the Iranians was that we can't

1:21:35do that again we we have to give you a bloody nose and a black

1:21:39eye we have to make this cost as much as possible for you otherwise you

1:21:44guys will just be back here in another five months doing it again and they're

1:21:48they're probably right about that they're probably right and so now we're in this situation

1:21:53where we're already in a in a quagmire it's already like over a dozen Americans

1:21:58have died some I think a couple hundred wounded at this point Israel isn't given

1:22:03real numbers on what's going on there but there's some pretty substantial damage and definitely

1:22:07some Israelis have died and I'm sure thousands of Iranians have have died at this

1:22:12point it's cost I mean Pete Heggs has just asked for 200 billion dollars I

1:22:17don't know if it'll get up to cost him that much but this thing is

1:22:20certainly already in the tens of billions if you consider munition military movements and and

1:22:25then just the damage to embassies and bases and stuff like that I mean this

1:22:30thing is already a disaster and so now it's not like Venezuela where Donald Trump

1:22:34could just stop and declare victory and even say like look how great it's working

1:22:38out now is Venezuela really working out that great I don't know that's you know

1:22:42we took one guy away the regime's still in place the people haven't been liberated

1:22:46but whatever he can claim that this now the problem here is that okay number

1:22:52one Donald Trump's not really in a situation where if he just quit right now

1:22:56how is he really gonna say look how wonderful this is it's like I don't

1:23:00know dude this cost a lot already and it doesn't seem like there's any clear

1:23:04like what did we get out of this well the only way it would work

1:23:07is if there was some sort of a deal with whoever the fuck is going

1:23:10to be the new guy in charge and they did come to some sort of

1:23:14an agreement and they did give them some compensation for all the shit we blew

1:23:18up yes well that right so they'll just print some more money for that sure

1:23:22and inflation but look here's the thing is that it's not just Donald Trump there's

1:23:27two other participants in this war two other entities in this war there's Iran and

1:23:33there's Israel okay now is Iran gonna accept that maybe but look just like the

1:23:3912 -day war look at the position you're in now we're relying on the moas

1:23:44you know what I mean like it's that that is not an ideal situation to

1:23:47be in and then the other factor is that there's Israel who also gets a

1:23:50say in this for some reason because we allow them to and Netanyahu just the

1:23:56other day was very clear about this this is a regime change and he even

1:23:59said it will require ground forces and he said he's not sure who those ground

1:24:04forces will be yeah and so now this happened if you do you remember the

1:24:10moment during the 12 -day war when it was the closest Trump ever came to

1:24:13like flipping out on Israel and he said they don't know what the fuck they're

1:24:16doing yeah it was but he said Israel and Iran don't know what the fuck

1:24:20they're doing because Donald Trump so after he drops the bunker busters he goes that's

1:24:26it we're you know what I mean we're taking the off -ramp and then he

1:24:30said I want to work out a ceasefire now and then after he said that

1:24:34Israel just started lighting up regime targets just bombing the crap out of them and

1:24:39they weren't bombing nuclear facilities they were just bombing like government buildings and they've been

1:24:44doing a bunch of that in this war as well bombing local police departments things

1:24:48like that just creating chaos because what they want is what they've been getting in

1:24:53the rest of the war on terrorism they're they they are quite happy with a

1:24:56Libya model or a Syria model they don't want anyone that's organized as a threat

1:25:02to Israel they don't it's it's all about around support for Hezbollah yeah is that

1:25:08they want southern Lebanon which they just uh cats their defense minister just announced that

1:25:12they're gonna occupy yeah that's crazy right they just announced they're gonna be occupying another

1:25:15country that's what it's about man and and look I mean it's not again this

1:25:20isn't like a conspiracy theory the guys all tell you this in their own words

1:25:24Benjamin Netanyahu was asked point blank a few months back what he thought of the

1:25:28greater Israel project and he said it's very near and dear to my heart like

1:25:32this is the point of denying the Palestinians a state for all these years you

1:25:36can't let the Palestinians have a state because then how are you going to take

1:25:39that all over someday that's all supposed to be part of Israel and the U

1:25:43.S. ambassador the U .S.

1:25:45ambassador not the Israeli ambassador the U .S.

1:25:48ambassador to Israel is on record saying that God promised Iraq to Benjamin Netanyahu and

1:25:55that God promised Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West Bank and parts of Syria

1:26:01and all of this is greater Israel that is it by the way Sam Harris

1:26:06where are you out on that where where are the new atheists when you could

1:26:11finally use them for something hey that's pretty crazy is that how we do politics

1:26:16we we work on this this ridiculous religious superstition that somehow the when God said

1:26:22Israel in Genesis he was referring to the state that was created that they named

1:26:27after that passage this would this would literally be on the level Joe is if

1:26:32I named my son Jesus Christ and then I told you you have to worship

1:26:35my son look it's right there in your Bible exactly that you worship no you

1:26:38named it after that dude yeah that doesn't count it's crazy and they took the

1:26:43spot where it was yeah I mean like they took over and they did in

1:26:46a horrific way like the napka yeah yeah you you listen to some of those

1:26:50soldiers the translation of some of those soldiers talking about what they did and even

1:26:54laughing about what they did some of them even smiling in 1948 yeah because it's

1:26:57not it wasn't in 1848 right you know what I mean like right these guys

1:27:00were alive maybe not so many of them now but like 20 30 years ago

1:27:04you could put a video camera in front of one of these guys and ask

1:27:07him to tell their story right and 78 years ago wasn't that long ago yeah

1:27:10that's right yeah that's great and so you know look I mean the idea here

1:27:15that America after just 25 years of catastrophic failures, launching wars of choice, wars of

1:27:26aggression, lying the American people into it, just slaughtering millions of people and like bankrupting

1:27:31this country and really severely degrading the country with these wars.

1:27:35The idea that we would jump into another war of choice for Israel is just

1:27:42too, like, this is too crazy, man.

1:27:46And especially when it's the administration that really ran on and promised that we want

1:27:54to get out of this, out of this game of fighting stupid wars in the

1:27:58Middle East. Yeah, that was what we were all supporting.

1:28:00That was the one thing that he was saying that was so promising to so

1:28:04many people that were independent, that were on the fence.

1:28:06Like, this guy wants no wars.

1:28:08All right. He wants closing the border, which I think is a great idea.

1:28:11He wants no wars. That enough.

1:28:13Let's go. Well, especially considering the fact that, well, well, like, even if there are

1:28:19some things about Donald Trump that maybe you don't like, but the other guys are

1:28:24saying we want to keep fighting forever wars.

1:28:26And this guy is saying we should stop doing that.

1:28:29That's enough to go, well, then he's better than you on net.

1:28:32And don't get me wrong.

1:28:33I mean, I, I endorsed Donald Trump in 24.

1:28:37You know, people give me shit for this.

1:28:39Some people like that. Some people give me shit for it.

1:28:41But I do, I kind of view it like this, like, and I really, I

1:28:45will say, maybe I'm a little biased here because I love you, but I don't

1:28:48think I'm being biased. I really think you played a, an enormous role in, in

1:28:54kind of like standing up to the progressive democratic establishment and their narrative over the

1:29:02last, you know, decade or so.

1:29:04And it's really hard to kind of overstate how crazy they were, how much of

1:29:08a threat to this country they were.

1:29:10And so for anybody who wants to give shit to anyone who voted for Donald

1:29:14Trump, it's like, Hey man, the alternative was the, the party who bragged about, um,

1:29:20first off, insane woke shit, like poisoning the minds of children in a really grotesque

1:29:25and abusive way. They gave us open borders, flooding the country, uh, with people.

1:29:30They gave us all types of COVID tyranny, uh, based on pseudoscience.

1:29:34They gave us the most reckless foreign policy, uh, in American history, which was this

1:29:39proxy war on Russia's border.

1:29:41And they were running, they were pretending the president wasn't senile when he clearly was.

1:29:46Then they, in the fourth quarter threw up a cackling retard who was not democratically

1:29:50picked in any process. And so, sorry, like it, it does make sense that a

1:29:55lot of people went, okay, we're going to go back with, with this other guy.

1:29:59Also there was an interesting dynamic happening in 24 where, okay, this wasn't, you know,

1:30:05Donald Trump, they had actually tried to throw him in jail, maybe even tried to

1:30:09murder him. We never really got any answers on that one.

1:30:12Um, he now had Bobby Kennedy with them.

1:30:14He now had Tulsi Gabbard with him.

1:30:16He now had, Oh, you know what I mean?

1:30:17Even J .D. Vance, like a lot of these people who were supposedly much more

1:30:21non -interventionist, there was reason to hope that maybe it wouldn't end up here.

1:30:26But anyway, I guess my thing is that you played such a huge role in

1:30:30this. And I, to a lesser extent, played a role in standing up against a

1:30:32lot of that progressive insanity over the last 10 years.

1:30:35And I just feel like after 24, you know, this coalition came together where Donald

1:30:41Trump for the first time ever wins the popular vote, wins every single swing state

1:30:44and really more remarkably won the youth and the culture.

1:30:49Like Donald Trump went from being like the cultural pariah to being the guy like

1:30:53John Jones is doing the, the dance at the front.

1:30:56And it was just, it was, and that whole coalition has been destroyed over this

1:31:00war. And now he's going to hand the country right back over to these Democrats

1:31:04who we've been fighting so hard all for what?

1:31:07All for a war that Netanyahu wanted against a country that dude, by the way,

1:31:11the justification for the 12 day war was bullshit.

1:31:14They weren't trying to make nuclear weapons.

1:31:16They were trying to negotiate out of that.

1:31:18Yes. Well, that's right. But then all, and I want to, you know, he said

1:31:22some nice things about me when he was on here the other day with you.

1:31:24So I will say some nice things about Constantine Cassin, who I, despite our disagreements,

1:31:29I really liked that guy a lot, but he is, I could be wrong.

1:31:33I could be missing someone.

1:31:34He's the only guy I've seen who supported the 12 day war, but is really

1:31:39skeptical about this. And I've seen so many people, it's unbelievable, dude.

1:31:44Like they, they just, so like the 12 day war comes for the first 48

1:31:47hours of it. They're like, dude, Israel's doing this on its own.

1:31:51All they want is for you to stay out of it.

1:31:54Then like the third day they're like, all right, they do need some help shooting

1:31:58down the missiles that are coming back toward them, but whatever, this is just defensive.

1:32:01You know what I mean?

1:32:02Like you don't have to get involved.

1:32:03Then it's like the next day, like, all right, we don't, we don't have bunker

1:32:05busters. So we do need you to drop the bunker busters.

1:32:07But then their whole, uh, um, like defense of the 12 day war was like,

1:32:12look, no Americans died. It didn't cost us a lot.

1:32:14It didn't turn into this disaster.

1:32:16And now we're at the, okay, well fine.

1:32:19All of that happened, but it's still a good thing.

1:32:21Constantine was the one guy I saw who was like, no, I supported that one,

1:32:25but I am not getting on board with this one.

1:32:27And I give him a lot of credit for that.

1:32:29I give him a lot of credit for that.

1:32:30I like that guy a lot.

1:32:31I like him a lot.

1:32:32I like Francis a lot too.

1:32:33I do too. Their show Trigonometry is one of the best shows.

1:32:37Agree with them or not agree with them.

1:32:39They're always reasonable. They're never ideologically driven.

1:32:43They have opinions that you may or may not agree with, but they're real clear

1:32:45about their opinions and why they believe what they believe.

1:32:47Yeah, that's right. And I will say like great guys.

1:32:50Yeah. Genuinely great dudes. Great guys.

1:32:52I really liked, uh, you know, I get in a lot of, uh, like the

1:32:56shit show, like arguments. I find myself in them.

1:32:59I probably should be better than them and just not engaged, but I, I'm not,

1:33:02and I'm petty. What do you mean by shit show?

1:33:04Like where it just becomes like an insult thing or, you know, I had debated

1:33:07Alex Barron or it's just kind of, it's kind of embarrassing in hindsight, but like,

1:33:10I don't know. It gets me really angry when the guy's calling me a Holocaust

1:33:14denier or something like that.

1:33:15I think that's crazy. Well, what he was saying was kind of silly.

1:33:17The way he was saying it was silly and he was just trying to play

1:33:20gotcha with you and then you called him a faggot.

1:33:22Yeah. That's not my finest moment.

1:33:24You can tell he was really shaken by that.

1:33:26Well, it's just, I kind of have a thing where like, look, I'm really into

1:33:30this shit and I nerd out on it and I'm obsessed with it.

1:33:32All of this for whatever reason, it's just like my calling in life, but I'm

1:33:36also stand -up comic at heart, you know And so like as soon as someone

1:33:40goes like oh, I want to be vicious You're like oh you want to be

1:33:42vicious cuz like I'm pretty good at being vicious So like I could do that

1:33:46and you're probably not used to hearing this type of vicious shit that like comics

1:33:50say to each other But one of the things that I really appreciated about Francis

1:33:54and Constantine was when I went to do their show It was just like it

1:33:59was genuinely a good faith conversation And they weren't trying they weren't trying to like

1:34:03win the point or get a clip that they could go We destroyed Dave and

1:34:08then once they do that.

1:34:09I'm like, okay Well, then I'm not trying to do that either man.

1:34:11Like let's talk about this shit.

1:34:12That's that's always what I'd rather do yeah, um but The thing that's I guess

1:34:17the thing that's really interesting about this moment is that because The kind of corporate

1:34:22media propaganda apparatus has been completely destroyed and because the Internet and social media and

1:34:29podcasts are where people go Now for for you know conversations and debates and news

1:34:34and all this stuff they're kind of like they're like they're running without a propaganda

1:34:40apparatus, you know, like Israel just Israel in the last two and a half years

1:34:46is down like 50 points in the polls like in terms of American approval They've

1:34:51just been this it's a drastic change like I've never seen on any issue What's

1:34:56the first time in our lifetimes where it's been an issue that we are dealing

1:35:00with the consequences of the relationship?

1:35:01That's right There's never been a time in the past where people were Completely aware

1:35:06of oh, there's no other reason why we'd be going into Iran like most people

1:35:11most people don't think 100 wasn't for Israel asking us to Netanyahu's consistent visits to

1:35:17the White House Oh, you can't even you can't even uh Pretend otherwise.

1:35:21I mean people can do yes.

1:35:23Well, they try to but people home and Hughes just got in a debate with

1:35:26Glenn Greenwald about it I saw that they did it.

1:35:28I did have not had a chance to watch it Yeah, somebody sent it to

1:35:31me and it was you know I'm I'm being a good boy when it comes

1:35:34to social media. It's been so good for my brain.

1:35:37Yeah, it's kind of remarkable So I got a staying off you mean yeah, yeah

1:35:41my new phone. I'm not gonna put anything on it I'm gonna have my old

1:35:44phone and leave it at home and I'm not going to be able to look

1:35:48at it So when I have to post things I got to post it on

1:35:50my other phone. That's not gonna be with me I'm not doing that anymore because

1:35:54I just think Eventually ultimately it rots your brain, but you do get some cool

1:36:01Debates and some insight into what's going on and I don't know what Coleman's argument

1:36:05was But Glenn and Coleman were arguing about Israel's influence on this well, I'll be

1:36:11very interested to watch that um, I do respect Coleman despite disagreeing with him very

1:36:16adamantly very smart guy very smart guy No question a very nice guy and uh,

1:36:20um, and and look I one of the things I really respect about him is

1:36:24when I did his show He literally starts it by going he goes You know

1:36:27almost all these debates I see you in like you're kind of debating issues and

1:36:32then people just debate your character and he goes I'm not doing that at all

1:36:35I want to talk about the issues hold that and I do I just genuinely

1:36:38appreciate that No agree with him or disagree with him.

1:36:41He's a super reasonable guy and a very nice guy.

1:36:43I like him a lot I like him a lot whether I do agree with

1:36:46him or disagree with them.

1:36:47He's a wonderful person. I this agreed.

1:36:50This this is what I will say about His position on this which I think

1:36:54is is kind of interesting.

1:36:56So number one um When I was on Pierce Morgan with him well right after

1:37:02Venezuela happened and he was His position I don't want to mischaracterize it, but I

1:37:08think this is pretty accurate was he was like look a lot of people are

1:37:11comparing Venezuela to iraq or libya or syria, but like That is a different region

1:37:17a different culture a different religion And so really what we should be comparing this

1:37:22to is other interventions in in latin america and south america And I you know,

1:37:27I didn't completely agree with that I was like actually I think there are some

1:37:30lessons you could learn from Other wars that we've been in that might apply here,

1:37:34but I was like, okay fair enough Hey, let's look at other interventions in central

1:37:38and south america because we've got a long list of really disastrous ones Like if

1:37:41you want to look at guatemala or nicaragua or you know, cuba mexico a whole

1:37:46bunch um, but then When this war in iran starts, I don't see him going

1:37:53The equal opposite of that going hey now that we're at war with iran We

1:37:57have to judge this by iraq and afghanistan and libya and syria because you know

1:38:01what i'm saying? Like that would be the flip side to the other position And

1:38:04so I don't see that the other thing is that when he's arguing With me

1:38:09about uh, because I was arguing that you know That is the israel lobby and

1:38:13the israeli government were a huge part of why we fought the war in iraq

1:38:16Right and his big point that he stuck to a lot of the hawks stick

1:38:19to this is that ariel sharon Was actually he who was the sitting prime minister

1:38:24at the time? He was actually against the war in iraq now That's not exactly

1:38:29true. Um, he he wanted george w bush to invade iran first Not iraq and

1:38:35then when he got assurances that iran would be next he got on board You

1:38:39could go look at sharon's speech.

1:38:40He gave a speech. I think it was in august of 2002 to the knesset

1:38:43And it's all about how iraq is the biggest threat.

1:38:46They have weapons of mass destruction But the massad was cranking out all types of

1:38:49bs intelligence about the nuclear weapons that he could detonate in 15 minutes or whatever

1:38:54It's all nonsense But if you're gonna say that that is evidence That israel was

1:39:00not pushing us into this because the sitting prime minister at the time didn't like

1:39:03this war Okay But again, then how does the current sitting prime minister of israel

1:39:10feel about this war in iran?

1:39:11Because he's fighting it with us And he said after it started that this is

1:39:15the culmination of his entire life's work He has been trying to lie our our

1:39:20government into this war for my entire lifetime coming here He he testified how many

1:39:26times do you remember the one where he testified with the cartoon of a bomb

1:39:29at the u .n? Yeah, tune a bomb cartoon with the percentages of the enriched

1:39:34uranium and like a daffy duck bomb Not like like a the bomb that will

1:39:38blow your beak around And it was he was already up real high.

1:39:43It was already up real high No, dude, he was on record saying that Iran

1:39:46was three Five years away from getting a nuclear weapon in the 90s.

1:39:50In the 90s, yeah. I mean, he's just been lying through his teeth.

1:39:53And there is something, look, man, there's something really profoundly dishonorable about trying to lie

1:40:02another country into war. Like, not even trying to sell the war to your own

1:40:06people and have your own military do it.

1:40:08But because you can't. There it is.

1:40:10Yeah, there we are. We were up to 90%.

1:40:12First stage. No, it was first stage we were at.

1:40:15He was saying they've hit the first stage.

1:40:18Oh, oh, oh, excuse me.

1:40:19Okay, yeah, you're right. I guess this is, we can't, we can't go any further.

1:40:22Mom! It's just so ridiculous.

1:40:25And he knows, he knows he's lying.

1:40:26He's like your friend that, like, you've been friends with since high school and every

1:40:30time you go out, he gets you in a fight.

1:40:32Yeah. You're like, dude, don't do this.

1:40:33Like, those guys over there are a fucking problem.

1:40:36Let's go over there and fuck them up.

1:40:37And, like, you know, all your buddies are like, dude, this guy again?

1:40:41Did I use that exact analogy when I debated Josh Hammer?

1:40:44Oh, did you? At Princeton University.

1:40:46And, or maybe it was with the Charlie Kirk.

1:40:48It was one of the times I debated him.

1:40:49But I used that exact analogy.

1:40:50He was like, is Israel an ally?

1:40:52And I was like, no.

1:40:52It's like, they're not a good friend.

1:40:54Bro. If your friend's getting you in a bar fight every night, stop hanging out

1:40:57with that guy. Bro, Tim Dillon did an ad for NeuroGum and Neuromintz on his

1:41:03podcast where he's like, I have a friend.

1:41:08Let's just call her Erica.

1:41:09And he does this Erica Kirk ad.

1:41:13He doesn't say it's Erica Kirk for NeuroGum.

1:41:17Have you heard of Jamie?

1:41:18I think so. Oh, my God.

1:41:21Oh, my God. It's so funny.

1:41:23Oh, my God. It's so crazy.

1:41:25He's so out of his...

1:41:26I fucking love him so much.

1:41:28I'm so happy Tim Dillon's in the world.

1:41:31He is the... He's the best.

1:41:32If you're not listening to his podcast and you want a rational but hilarious take

1:41:36on all the fucking madness that's going on with not just this war but the

1:41:40Epstein Files, his episode of the Epstein Files, I hardly ever tweet about other people's

1:41:45podcasts. But I hardly ever tweet.

1:41:47But I posted it. I'm like, this is one of the best podcasts about anything

1:41:52ever. His ability... Tim's ability to, like, rant...

1:41:58Unprecedented. Like, a hilarious rant that is laced with excellent points but is just hilarious

1:42:03the whole time. And just him going off is second to none.

1:42:07And he's sober. He just puts on his magic glasses.

1:42:10It's him and Fuentes are the top two.

1:42:13Oh, but he buries Fuentes.

1:42:14Fuentes is really good. Fuentes has...

1:42:17Tim can do something different than anybody else can do.

1:42:20Yeah. Well, his ability to blend sarcasm and just celebration of chaos.

1:42:27Yeah, it's second to none.

1:42:29He's the best ranter that's ever walked the face of the planet.

1:42:31I remember when I first met Tim in New York before he moved out to

1:42:37L .A. after that. But when I first met him in New York and he

1:42:40was, I think, like, he was a green stand -up.

1:42:43I think he hadn't been doing it for that long.

1:42:45But I remember just, like, being on podcasts with him and just being like, yo,

1:42:49this dude is going to be a fucking superstar.

1:42:53Like, it was just, like, his ranting, like, ability, like, he would go off on

1:42:59things where you would just find yourself, like, you almost have a moment where you

1:43:02forget you're on the show with him.

1:43:04Yeah. You're like, I'm just sitting here watching, and then I'm like, oh, shit, I'm

1:43:07here, too. I better say something.

1:43:08But, like, he's just unbelievable.

1:43:11Listen to this ad. I don't even know if I should tell this, but it

1:43:16does show how effective Neuromint can be.

1:43:20A friend of mine, let's call her Erica.

1:43:26She, she's had a wildlife, this woman.

1:43:29She was in Romania. She had an orphanage.

1:43:33She was on a reality show.

1:43:35She married this famous guy.

1:43:37She was an intelligence asset.

1:43:40And I said to her, how do you do this?

1:43:43And she says, Tim, it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.

1:43:47And I said, but how do you do it after the guy, the husband and

1:43:52father of the kids gets murdered, and you're out there doing all kinds of stuff?

1:43:57You're doing fundraisers, and you're dancing around with glitter pants.

1:44:01How does this happen? She goes, I could lie to you, but I'm telling you,

1:44:06it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.

1:44:07I said, really? She goes, sure.

1:44:11I said, how are you running this organization seven hours after this guy got popped?

1:44:17She goes, a lot of people speculate, but it's Neuro's energy and focus mints.

1:44:24I go, really? She said, yeah, Neuro energy and focus is powered by natural green

1:44:29tea, caffeine, L -phenanine for calm, focus, and vitamin B12.

1:44:35I mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more.

1:44:38Yeah, it's not enough. No one can pay him enough.

1:44:41He's the goat. Well, that'll also just make you remember that product forever.

1:44:45Yeah. No, he's the greatest of all time.

1:44:48It might be. I'm trying to figure out how to turn our racetrack sign on

1:44:52all the way. Is it broken?

1:44:55God damn, we need a new one?

1:44:56I'll get a hold of Bobby.

1:44:59He's the goat, dude. He's, I had someone in the White House come up to

1:45:05me and go, is Tim Dillon really gay?

1:45:07I go, yeah, he's really gay.

1:45:09Like, you think he would fake that?

1:45:10Yeah. He goes, how long have you known him?

1:45:11I go, I've known him forever.

1:45:12He's really gay. Yeah. Well, he will, he's a, he's a real good undercover, but

1:45:16every now and then you see it come out every now and then you see

1:45:19like, uh, like I remember, and this is back when he was young and, and

1:45:23he was broke at the time, but Tim was always kind of a snob, even

1:45:26when he was like, it was always kind of, and I went, uh, I forget

1:45:29what it was, but, uh, I was like, I was like, oh, we could get

1:45:32food from this restaurant. And he goes from there.

1:45:34I go, yeah, they got good food.

1:45:35And he goes, you think that's good food?

1:45:38And like, cause he's like a real like foodie or whatever.

1:45:41And there was just like, oh, I saw it for a second there.

1:45:43Well, he used to have money because he had money when he was selling.

1:45:45He had money in finance.

1:45:46Then he decided to be.

1:45:47Subprime mortgages. Yeah. He was a part of the housing crisis.

1:45:50That's right. And he was doing cocaine back then.

1:45:52He, he did topple the U .S.

1:45:55economy for a while. He was part of it.

1:45:56But then he got into comedy.

1:45:57He more than made up for it.

1:45:59He's more than made up for that.

1:46:00This is where he belongs.

1:46:01Yeah, he belongs in front of that screen with the glasses on just going on

1:46:06these insane rants. Oh, yeah He's so funny man, and let's the Epstein files take

1:46:11was fucking genius. That was great.

1:46:13Dude his thing about Sam Harris having a Meditation app and also supporting genocide Like

1:46:22what human being does Such a great take on that.

1:46:27Oh, he's so funny, man.

1:46:29Yeah, we're lucky dude. We're we're we're We're a part of a really cool group

1:46:34of people right now, you know, it's a very unusual time that the Mainstream has

1:46:40lost all of its power of influence on people.

1:46:43It still puts out information.

1:46:44It still puts out shows, but They're trying to look like you but they're funk

1:46:49doused That Jake Tapper thing was so crazy.

1:46:52I was like, what are you doing?

1:46:53Are you doing a podcast now?

1:46:55Like what are you doing?

1:46:55It's oh, it's such a perfect like little microcosm though of like it's almost painful

1:47:00Like I'm like guys just can you hire me?

1:47:03I mean like I but then I would explain this to you No, no work

1:47:07either because they're so trained there's it's like If you get a dog and that

1:47:14dog has been maybe a yeah cat might be a better example If you've never

1:47:18had a litter box in the house and the cats been pissing all over the

1:47:20carpet You are always gonna have that cat piss on the carpet.

1:47:24That's what that cat does You're not gonna fix them if your entire life you've

1:47:28been spitting out nonsense from a teleprompter And now all of a sudden you have

1:47:32to be yourself You've been functioning in a world of executives and producers where everybody

1:47:37goes over every little thing you say and do you 100 % read things, you

1:47:43know aren't true or at least partially Mikes for like everything.

1:47:47Oh, yeah Yeah, their whole setup is they're all trying to look like podcasters No,

1:47:52wait a minute. They put mics out like yes casters.

1:47:55That's crazy Imagine if they think that's all it takes Well, this is but but

1:47:59Joe talk about completely missing the point, right?

1:48:02It's just fundamentally missing it is that they go They actually go okay, so all

1:48:07of these people have left, you know watching cable news and in droves And now

1:48:12they a lot of people listen to podcasts they'll listen to you or Theo Vaughn

1:48:16or whoever it might be and the a huge reason right?

1:48:19why people a huge reason why you've been number one for so long now is

1:48:25because However, anyone feels about you You're authentic and it's very hard to deny that

1:48:30you know One of the biggest questions I get when people like meet me if

1:48:34I do like meet and greet after shows or something.

1:48:36It's it's What's Joe Rogan like is a question?

1:48:39I get all the time because we're buddies and I've been on the show a

1:48:41lot a lot of times and you know People are love you and they'll go.

1:48:44What's Joe Rogan like I always tell them the same thing.

1:48:46I go you already know You're you know, like you already know who he is.

1:48:50He's that guy and then offstage He's that guy.

1:48:53You know what? I mean like that's who he is and people like that people

1:48:56like that Whatever you think about Theo Vaughn.

1:48:59He's telling he's authentic. He's being himself.

1:49:01That's who he is That's a well, that's how it works and because you guys

1:49:04in the corporate media are all professional liars and have lied to the American people

1:49:09about the last 17 Crises, you know, they don't trust you anymore.

1:49:13And so then their reaction to that as you go Well, what if we pretended

1:49:17to be podcasters? You know, you tell me that's the whole thing.

1:49:21This is just proving further how inauthentic you are Here's meetings on this 100 %

1:49:27100 % they do They all this was to me Despite the fact that I

1:49:34you know and people can do shit about voting for Donald Trump and they could

1:49:37say I should have known better and Whatever, I was a huge critic of him

1:49:40in his first term and I'm a huge critic of him in the second term

1:49:42But the best thing about Donald Trump winning in 24 and I did predict this

1:49:46right. I'm not always the best with predictions I'm pretty good on issues.

1:49:49I think but I'm not great at predictions.

1:49:50They're tough But the best thing about Donald Trump winning was that the corporate media

1:49:55finally admitted it They were they had been pretending for so long I remember we

1:50:00used to joke about I remember coming on like a few years ago and uh,

1:50:02we would joke about how brian stelter Would always whenever he talked about you?

1:50:07He would always kind of go like the fringe joe rogan Like as if he's

1:50:12the mainstream and you are the fringe as if the numbers aren't readily available to

1:50:16all of us that we could be Like your show has like 200 000 listening

1:50:19and his has 20 million So how is he the fringe and you're the mainstream?

1:50:23I think but they would pretend Maybe they believed it but that 24 the election

1:50:28That's when they all admitted it and then the talking point moved to We need

1:50:32to find our own joe rogan the democrats need to find a joe rogan Remember

1:50:36that was like this so they kind of admitted that oh the podcasts have become

1:50:41the new mainstream and we are the fringe Right, but the dumb part of that

1:50:44statement was you already had me you fucking idiots just lost your mind I'm not

1:50:49right and i'm not left Yeah, I think both of them suck And I think

1:50:53the adherence to the ideologies that the left supports or the right supports is out

1:50:58of their fucking You got to be out of your fucking mind whether it's these

1:51:02Crackpot christian nationalists that think that this whole war is a way to get jesus

1:51:06to return on a white horse Yeah, do you see those guys that were talking

1:51:09yeah during the the readiness fucking meeting that I think that's nuts, too?

1:51:14I think the Woke shit and all the the chaos of the fucking last four

1:51:18years of having a completely open border and the justifications of all these things That's

1:51:22nuts, too. I'm not on either buddy's but anyone's side But I think the democrats

1:51:26aren't ever gonna get someone like me because I'm not with either or I'm not

1:51:30with either or I'm with whoever fucking makes sense and no one makes sense and

1:51:35I'll ai comes along I think they're gonna do a really good job all of

1:51:37us president perplexity is gonna run this country fairly and balanced I'm willing to try

1:51:43it at this point I'm fucking dead serious man as long as it doesn't like

1:51:48do something to harm people As long as like that's it's goal.

1:51:52It's goals just to manage society.

1:51:54It's a big if that you got there But yes if we can get that

1:51:56well But what you just said I think is really well This is something that

1:52:02i'm encouraged by is that I think what you just said there I really do

1:52:05believe that you speak for super majorities of the american people And that's why even

1:52:10though donald trump has shattered his coalition by lying us into this stupid war on

1:52:15behalf of a foreign country That coalition is still ripe for someone else to pick

1:52:20it up and run with it And that's kind of what I'm hoping I hope

1:52:23Thomas Massey runs for president I think by the way they're doing a big money

1:52:26bomb for Thomas Massey on March 30th And I think him winning reelection in Congress

1:52:30is like the most important political election in the country right now because he's done

1:52:33nothing wrong except actually stand up for America first and for all the stuff that

1:52:39Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and all these people ran on and He's gotten the

1:52:44the Israel Lobby and the Adelsons But I repeat myself have been pouring millions of

1:52:49dollars Into his race to try to unseat him for the crime of not going

1:52:53along with the Epstein cover -up and not going along with another stupid war and

1:52:56having some like fiscal Sanity, so I hope I hope he wins I imagine those

1:53:00runs for negatives Imagine those being three negatives that people are saying.

1:53:04He's not MAGA Yeah, well then okay Well, if that's like I don't know like

1:53:09my position is always like if you're saying If if not supporting Covering up the

1:53:14Epstein files or not supporting a stupid war of choice a war of aggression on

1:53:19behalf of Israel means I'm not MAGA Then okay.

1:53:22I'm not MAGA. I don't I'm not attached to the the the you know, the

1:53:27phrase make America great again I don't care then fine that phrase sucks.

1:53:31Here's the thing like first of all America is great Let me make America greater.

1:53:36I'm down But make America great again And then it becomes a movement of a

1:53:40bunch of fucking dorks because a lot of them are dorks a lot of them

1:53:43these really weird fucking uninteresting Unintelligent people that have got something they cling to and

1:53:50yet and there's a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots and they're

1:53:54all lumped into this one group and you got to accept the Dorks to fuck

1:53:58that yeah Like the concept of making America great is a great idea But as

1:54:02soon as you have a fucking team and you allow anybody to join up You've

1:54:07you don't even have tryouts for your team So you've got a bunch of fucking

1:54:11dipshits that are running around spouting out opinions and you have to go along with

1:54:15them because they're MAGA And then you've got bots online that are probably from fucking

1:54:20Indonesia or Russia or wherever and they're pretending they're MAGA and they're saying crazy shit

1:54:25So that's a part of MAGA to you've fucked up by becoming a part of

1:54:30a group Yeah, whether it's a Republican group a Democrat group a MAGA group a

1:54:35fucking woke group Whatever it is.

1:54:38You fucked up by being in a group.

1:54:40Yeah, what is a George Carlin said people are great as individuals.

1:54:44Yeah But when they get in a group man, they're the worst things in the

1:54:46world and that's why that's why it should be about the Like the issues it

1:54:51should be about your principles and what you believe in and that's and you should

1:54:54be like look like I've said many nice things about Tulsi Gabbard over the years

1:54:59and I was Extremely critical of her over since last summer and to now because

1:55:03I think she's lying us into a war Which is the war that she was

1:55:07always opposed to the one though what she sold no war with Iran t -shirts

1:55:12She like this was really lying us into this war.

1:55:15So lat well because that's a big statement.

1:55:17Yeah, yeah, absolutely Uh, so and it's it's true So last summer so Tulsi Gabbard

1:55:24had given her the as the director of national intelligence does every year They give

1:55:27their annual threat assessment and she testified before Congress about it and she it was

1:55:32very clear in her annual threat assessment That Iran was not attempting to build nuclear

1:55:37weapons that they had not yet made the political decision to attempt to build nuclear

1:55:42weapons Let alone like are actually going for it and um And she testified before

1:55:48Congress saying the same thing and then after negotiate while they were negotiating Israel sneak

1:55:54attacks them Then she had some post where she goes Iran could be Weeks or

1:55:59months away from nuclear weapons, which is like was total bullshit.

1:56:02It made absolutely no sense Let me see what the post has sure this is

1:56:06from if you could find it.

1:56:07This is from last must been last June, right?

1:56:09But is that a fact so if they're enriching uranium up to 60 % and

1:56:13they just have to Enrich it further for the ability to use it nuclear weapons

1:56:18that is a couple weeks away now But not not before it would be that

1:56:21to build a bomb and to make it deliverable I think all the experts say

1:56:25at least a couple years but the point aside from that is that at the

1:56:28time This is over now, but at the time Iran was still members of the

1:56:32JCPOA They were still in it.

1:56:35So it's like what is that that this is the Iran deal that Obama Got

1:56:39us into Obama is horrible on foreign policy The butcher of Libya and Syria and

1:56:45Yemen and he surged in Afghanistan hard But in Iran he made a deal with

1:56:49them and the deal but it wasn't just with the US and Iran It also

1:56:53involved Russia and France and England and there were other countries involved in it, too

1:56:58And the JCPOA said that Iran couldn't enrich above I think it was three to

1:57:04five percent or something like that and they were staying in it and And they

1:57:07it created a new inspections regime which around so they were having full inspections They

1:57:11weren't in it But the deal also said that if America gets out of the

1:57:15deal they can enrich up to higher So when America got out of the deal

1:57:19they started enriching when did America get out of the deal Donald Trump tore it

1:57:22up in his first term?

1:57:25I want to say twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen and then they immediately started enriching

1:57:28no They went up a little bit and then I think there were a couple

1:57:31Israeli attacks and then they went up to enriching at sixty percent But so the

1:57:34reason we knew they were enriching up to sixty percent is cuz they were still

1:57:38members of the JCPOA with an inspections regime Who was going in there and saying

1:57:41they are enriching up to sixty percent right back?

1:57:43How much do you actually know about enriching uranium and what it takes to turn

1:57:47into a bomb? Let's let's read what she says new intelligence Confirm what POTUS has

1:57:52stated numerous times Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed.

1:57:55I think this is after this isn't the right one This is her tweet was

1:57:59before this is from June.

1:58:00Yeah, this would have been just shortly before very recently her tweet was before we

1:58:04hit Fordow Yeah, this is June 25th.

1:58:08There's a recent one though.

1:58:10Oh edited June 25th Yeah, but it seems like it was still edited the day

1:58:16it was posted probably can you go to her page and cuz she doesn't tweet

1:58:20a lot She's not a psycho She's not one of those if she tweets is

1:58:25generally something important or someone from our team is here.

1:58:28So is this the Hold on, above that, overwhelmingly elected by the American, click on

1:58:36that, show more. I think that's it.

1:58:39Well, this is what she testified to Congress this time.

1:58:42I was referring to a different one from my, but I also think this is

1:58:46a lie. I mean, for her to say that the president determines what is an

1:58:52imminent threat or is not, no, either there is an imminent threat or there is

1:58:56not one. This is like saying the president determines the weather or something like that.

1:59:00But you're taking her words out of context.

1:59:02She's saying something that's factually correct.

1:59:04As our commander in chief, he is responsible for determining what is and is not

1:59:09an imminent threat. That is true.

1:59:11And whether or not to take action he deems necessary to protect the safety and

1:59:15security of our troops, the American people and our country.

1:59:17That's just an actual fact.

1:59:18OK, yes, fair enough. But when she testified before Congress, they asked her like they

1:59:23asked her point blank a bunch of times about this.

1:59:26And then she goes, that's not my job to determine what's an imminent threat.

1:59:30That's the job of the president.

1:59:31And if he says it is, then it is.

1:59:33OK, so look at this here.

1:59:34Initially, she's contradicting Trump, saying that Iran did not rebuild after the 2025 strikes.

1:59:42Contradicting Trump. So this is also from Time magazine.

1:59:45So she's saying that. Now, what you're saying that she said earlier was a lie

1:59:49is not a lie, dude, because that is actually his.

1:59:52Well, I wasn't referring to that.

1:59:54I understand. But you did say that was a lie, which she said was a

1:59:57lie. OK, fair enough. That was not a lie.

1:59:58But it was. But it is.

2:00:00But it's actually correct. And if you're in a position like she's in, where you've

2:00:05got that guy breathing down your neck and you're forced to make a statement, you've

2:00:09got to tread very carefully on this tightrope that you're walking.

2:00:14OK, fine. But let's just say, hypothetically, that you know for a fact that Iran

2:00:18did not pose an imminent threat.

2:00:20And then that's your answer when you're asked if they did.

2:00:23Fine. It's not a lie.

2:00:24But it is very misleading, to say the least.

2:00:30How much. OK, hold on.

2:00:32Intel Chief Gabbard declines to say if Iran posed an imminent threat to the U

2:00:35.S. She declined to say on her own personally.

2:00:39But she. This is the congressional.

2:00:40Yes, yes, yes. This is.

2:00:41I think this is what I was referring to here.

2:00:43And she does at one point say that it's not her job to make that

2:00:46determination, which I do think is her entire job.

2:00:51It's interesting. Look, maybe maybe I'm being a little harsh by saying lying in that

2:00:55example. And fair enough to your point there.

2:00:56Like that technically is a true statement.

2:00:58I do think it's very misleading.

2:01:00And I do think that she really was the one who advocated against this specific

2:01:04war for the reasons that we're seeing unfold right now.

2:01:08Yeah. And I do think I get your point.

2:01:10It's a very tough tightrope to walk.

2:01:11The options are essentially, I think, to do what Joe Kent did and resign or

2:01:16to stay on and support the thing.

2:01:18I mean, I think it's kind of hard to thread that needle.

2:01:20Right. Do you think that there is any value in being one of the few

2:01:26reasonable voices that has his ear?

2:01:29If ultimately it is his responsibility to determine what's an imminent threat and what is

2:01:33not, I would imagine that she gets access to most of the same classified information

2:01:40that he does as the director of national intelligence.

2:01:42I don't know, though. I don't know how it works.

2:01:47But what can she do other than try to be a voice of reason?

2:01:51If ultimately this guy is going to do what he wants to do.

2:01:54Right. And he's going to do it also what Israel wants to do.

2:01:57Clearly. Oh, yeah. And he's talked about it, you know, and also in his first

2:02:01term, I'll never forget this fucking conversation that he had with Steve Hilton, because I

2:02:05think it was one of the first times since Eisenhower I've seen a president say,

2:02:08and Steve Hilton, by the way, I've been friends with him for 12 or 13

2:02:13years. Met him and his family in Maui on the beach when my daughter's really

2:02:16young and his kids are really young.

2:02:18They became friends. We've hung out together, vacation together.

2:02:20He's a sweetheart of a guy.

2:02:21I love that guy. And when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there is

2:02:30a military industrial complex and these guys want to go to war.

2:02:33Yep. And we were like, what?

2:02:36This is crazy. You're just saying that?

2:02:38Like, you're just saying that.

2:02:39It's one of the many reasons why a lot of people liked him.

2:02:44Oh, yeah. Because he would do things like that, where he would completely break protocol

2:02:48and just say, let me know.

2:02:49Let me let you know, rather.

2:02:51Let me inform you. There's a bunch of people that want to go to war,

2:02:55and they're pushing me all the time to go to war.

2:02:57That's what they want. It was so crazy, dude, because also even Eisenhower, when he

2:03:00coined the term, it was in his farewell address to the nation.

2:03:03He was literally like, this is my last stop, and then I'm leaving.

2:03:05Trump was just in the middle of his presidency, and he goes, all of them

2:03:08want war. They all want me to be in war all the time.

2:03:10If it was up to them, we'd always be at war.

2:03:13And I do, you know, now, look, that was great.

2:03:16I thought, actually, the one, to me, that was even crazier was if you remember

2:03:19when Bill O 'Reilly was interviewing him, and he's talking about Vladimir Putin.

2:03:24And he goes, he's like, oh, well, you won't.

2:03:26You know, at the time, Donald Trump, which he had run on, he was saying,

2:03:29we should have detente with Russia.

2:03:31He goes, like, why do we, you know, we have all the nuclear weapons.

2:03:33Yeah, he goes, Putin's a killer.

2:03:36You want to have detente with a killer?

2:03:37And he goes, we got a lot of killers, too.

2:03:40And then he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean we got a lot

2:03:42of killers, too? And he goes, what was Iraq?

2:03:44What was that? We got a lot of killers on our side, too.

2:03:46And then Bill O 'Reilly's like, well, I mean, Iraq was a mistake.

2:03:50But he goes, yeah, we got a lot of killers, too.

2:03:53And I love that, by the way.

2:03:54I mean, that was a...

2:03:56That's breaking protocol. Yes, yes.

2:03:58Well, I think this is kind of, I think, one of the main reasons why

2:04:02the establishment revolted against Trump the way they did.

2:04:06There's something very scary to the powers that be about a guy who, like, by

2:04:12his very nature, like, I don't even think he's capable of not letting things slip.

2:04:18You know what I mean?

2:04:19Like, he's just, that's who he is.

2:04:21And that, you know, was a big thing that people really didn't like about him.

2:04:25Very interesting to me is that so many of the never -Trumpers have come to

2:04:32define his presidency. Like, if you remember back in 2016, the Warhawk kind of Israel

2:04:41-first -er Republican crowd, the neocons and all that.

2:04:45They hated Donald Trump, hated him with a passion.

2:04:49Ben Shapiro was a never Trumper.

2:04:51He said because of his deeply held principles, he could never support Donald Trump.

2:04:56Mark Levin was a never Trumper.

2:04:58All of National Review, all of them.

2:05:00And now they are the biggest Trump supporters ever as kind of he's blowing up

2:05:06the coalition that got him elected.

2:05:08So it's kind of interesting that they all, you know, you know, but again.

2:05:13Tell those guys to all stay off Twitter.

2:05:15There's not one thing that they ever say that makes them look better.

2:05:19They get in these silly fucking, they just feel like they're going to make some

2:05:23stupid fucking statement and then refute a couple of people and don't understand the crowd

2:05:29reaction when you've got thousands of people tweeting against you now.

2:05:34Thousands just attacking you, destroying you, posting memes, posting videos.

2:05:38You said this and you said that, you piece of shit.

2:05:41It's amazing. It's crazy. I got to say, I do love that dynamic of it.

2:05:46I love it too. There's something that's why I stay off of it.

2:05:49Yeah. Well, that's you look, there's problems with it, but there is something about that

2:05:52dynamic now that was just never true in the past where it's like, look, I'm

2:05:56not saying it's perfect. And obviously there's bots and there's things like that.

2:06:00So it's not like a, but the people kind of get a voice in a

2:06:03way that they never had before.

2:06:05Right. And there is something kind of cool about that.

2:06:07A hundred percent. I love it.

2:06:10But it's not all the people either.

2:06:12It's a lot of fake people.

2:06:13There's a lot of like state sponsored actors.

2:06:15No, that's true. That's true.

2:06:17There's manipulation, but there was always manipulation in the old order also.

2:06:20Do you see this YouTube bot farm that they just busted?

2:06:24No. They busted this, this fucking warehouse had cell phones all rigged up for YouTube

2:06:30views where people would just, they would just hire a company and say, Hey, you

2:06:36know, part of the problem is not getting enough views.

2:06:39I'd really like to blow the fuck up and get to number one.

2:06:42And you hire them and they could get views.

2:06:44Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Well, that's also, I mean, I guess if you've got advertisements, that's

2:06:48legit fraud. 100%. That's like actual fraud.

2:06:51Yeah. 100%. And kind of a weird loophole where I don't think it's illegal.

2:06:56Yeah. That's gotta be, that's interesting.

2:06:58So there's a bot thing too.

2:06:59It's gotta be some type of fraud though.

2:07:00If you're like, if you're intentionally doing that, like maybe if you didn't know.

2:07:04Right. But listen, Twitter pays people, X pays people to post.

2:07:11So you pay based on engagement, right?

2:07:13That's how you get paid.

2:07:14So you farm out engagement.

2:07:17So like what percentage of what we're interacting with is just horse shit?

2:07:22Well, I got, so, um, what does it say here?

2:07:24I know this story just happened.

2:07:25A guy got arrested and had to plead guilty because he made, I think, I

2:07:29think what happens, he made a fake ban.

2:07:31Yeah. Yeah. He had an AR generated song.

2:07:34He got, he played billions of times in an effort to mimic the genuine streaming

2:07:38activity of real consumers. Smith pled guilty today.

2:07:41Conspirated to commit wire fraud.

2:07:44Wire fraud. Check this out though.

2:07:45I heard a similar story in Japan where.

2:07:47First of all, let me stop you right there.

2:07:49Michael Smith generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence.

2:07:53Hey, hey, hey. Stop talking shit about AI music because it's not fake.

2:07:57Those are real songs. Oh yeah?

2:07:59Yeah. Don't say fake songs.

2:08:01They're real songs and some of them are fucking bangers.

2:08:05Unfortunately, some of them are really good.

2:08:08You're going to like what I was going to say then.

2:08:10A guy was doing this in Japan and it got viral and so he hired

2:08:15people to be the band and now the band is a real band.

2:08:19Well, they're kind of popular.

2:08:21So AI, AI is creating jobs in this case.

2:08:24Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, so I have a.

2:08:25Shifty Brent rules though. You can never create him in real life.

2:08:28He's the guy who does the 50 cent ones.

2:08:30Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen, I've seen quite a few of those.

2:08:32If that guy was, first of all, if that guy was really, he'd have lungs

2:08:35like a fucking ultra marathon runner because the flow, like how can you even have

2:08:38air to say what you're saying?

2:08:40Like someone was saying that to me.

2:08:42She was like, I think you couldn't do this.

2:08:44And my argument was Eminem.

2:08:46I was like, yeah, you could.

2:08:47You would just have to be wicked at it.

2:08:49Like Eminem. Like Eminem in his prime, that motherfucker could spit in a way where

2:08:52you're like, I can't believe he's still talking.

2:08:55Yeah, it was, I remember there were a couple of his things where I was

2:08:58like, I don't, can he actually do this?

2:09:00And then I saw him do it live.

2:09:02And not like I was there, but saw it on YouTube.

2:09:03Like where you're like, oh, he can actually rap like this.

2:09:07I saw him recently. It was fucking great.

2:09:09He's still great. He's thin.

2:09:10He looks good. Yeah. He was killing it, man.

2:09:13He was killing it. But those, the speed in which that he can rap made

2:09:17me go, maybe AI is not bullshitting.

2:09:19But you know, 50 Cent himself was like much more casual in his delivery.

2:09:23Yes. You know, and it was much slower.

2:09:27This shifty Brent AI version is like, damn, that was a real person.

2:09:33That'd be pretty great. He would be the greatest artist on earth.

2:09:35I got, there was a guy, I can't remember his name, but just like the

2:09:38other day, some guy, he works for Fox News and he came out and had

2:09:42a whole post about me.

2:09:44And he goes, he goes, Dave Smith's account is clearly botted by foreign.

2:09:49Like, and I don't know, like when he said that, I was almost kind of

2:09:52like, there's a weird thing.

2:09:53Like, I know I've never paid for anything, but like, I don't know, you know

2:09:57what I mean? Like what someone else might've done or something like that.

2:10:00But I asked him, but I replied to him and I go, wait, what evidence

2:10:03do you have of this?

2:10:05And then he, his post was that he said, because I had 900 ,000 followers

2:10:11on Twitter, but I'm playing Laugh Boston this weekend.

2:10:15And he goes, that's a 300 seat venue.

2:10:17I played that many times too.

2:10:19Well, I was like, first of all, he doesn't understand comedy clubs.

2:10:21I was like, you just don't get comedy clubs, dude.

2:10:23Like this is not, and first of all, I'm doing five shows there.

2:10:26By the way, come on out this weekend.

2:10:28Great club. Great club. Great club.

2:10:30One of my favorite weekends of last year.

2:10:32It's a fucking great room.

2:10:33But I was like, look, man, I sold out all the shows last year, hoping

2:10:36to do the same this year.

2:10:37But I go, that is any, like, I just know the industry of standup comedy

2:10:42pretty well. And I was like, anybody who you're saying would be selling more than

2:10:45this. So what, selling out big theaters or selling out a stadium or something like

2:10:49that. All the people who do that have more followers than me.

2:10:52So like, he's not even right about the ratio of it or whatever.

2:10:55He doesn't understand numbers. But then I kind of like, I grilled him on it.

2:10:59Bit more cuz listen I'm kind of like you like when you were talking about

2:11:03suing CNN back in the day for slandering you Like I'm never actually gonna do

2:11:06it, but I don't mind Saying it you know what I mean?

2:11:10So like I got so I tagged Fox News I go hey Fox News shouldn't

2:11:13you have some evidence if you're gonna make a claim like I'm clearly Botted by

2:11:17foreign influence or whatever Fox News actually said it the guy works for Fox News

2:11:21Was he on Fox News?

2:11:23No, he's just on Twitter Twitter, but he's like a Fox News contributor or something

2:11:26right But I'm a UFC contributor it wouldn't be like the UFC.

2:11:30Yeah, I guess I'm saying I guess that's true So I don't know maybe it

2:11:32would just be him in either way I'm not suing anyone God, but I did

2:11:34want him to just I go just just admit you don't have any evidence for

2:11:38this like just yeah retract Well, here's the thing.

2:11:40I would agree that your account is botted because you're very controversial public figure So

2:11:45I'm sure all right. I'm sure my account is botted too, right?

2:11:49I'm sure Jamie's account is botted a hundred percent, right?

2:11:52I'll show you the evidence.

2:11:54I think Jamie might be a bot himself.

2:11:56We're all botted man The if you look at you know, we've brought up this

2:12:00up a million times But there was an FBI former FBI analyst who analyzed Twitter

2:12:05before the purchase and it was his take that as much as 80 % Might

2:12:10be artificial now. This is back then yeah before Elon purchased it.

2:12:14I think they've done They've taken some steps to try to ensure one of the

2:12:19things is you have to you could go to the person's page You can see

2:12:22what country they're posting from yes.

2:12:24I like that. Yeah, because there's a lot of people that are like pro -america

2:12:27And you're like hey, man, you're in Pakistan.

2:12:29Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, this is kind of kooky So there's a lot of

2:12:32that going on I've had I've had a Before where people go like Dave you

2:12:37always say Israel's trying to lie us into war But this is America we decide

2:12:40what war we're gonna fight and then you click it Israel It's just a dude

2:12:43in Israel talking say that at least we're getting steps to know those listen if

2:12:48it wasn't for Elon musk We would be fucked I've said this before I'll say

2:12:53it again history will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter and it It

2:12:58has changed the course of communication in this country for the better.

2:13:04No, I know a lot of you thought Oh my god, the racism is up

2:13:07and all this stuff is up That's people that's the internet that is an accurate

2:13:12representation representation of people It's not good But it's also accurate and the only way

2:13:18that's gonna change is if the other voices are more compelling and at least now

2:13:23they have an opportunity to do that Yeah Well and you and you have to

2:13:26kind of engage in this whether and I'm not saying you have to be on

2:13:29Twitter or something like that but I'm just saying like if you wanna you know

2:13:33I would love very much to get to a place where like you'd be like

2:13:38hey Let's all agree that we're not on board with the bigotry stuff and I

2:13:42mean this like whether it's against white men or whether It's against black men or

2:13:46whether it's against Jews or whether it's against Muslims or whatever And I see a

2:13:48whole lot of all of that and I'd love to move past that.

2:13:51I also would um like like I I wish there was a way that like

2:13:58Mark Levin and Tucker Carlson could have like a cool conversation.

2:14:02You know what I mean?

2:14:02Not like not like be like but well look it's not Santa Claus and Jesus

2:14:06would come meet me for dinner Well, both would be nice The latter is more

2:14:11likely I think too at this point.

2:14:12You know, I had a weird thing.

2:14:14I don't know if you saw this, but Ben Shapiro Had he made this video

2:14:19about like about Pierce Morgan and and like going at him over having me on

2:14:25the show and he went this whole thing and so he he says to me

2:14:30Or he said, you know insults me a few times or whatever and then he

2:14:34goes out now I I can hear Dave Smith right now and his response to

2:14:38this is debate me bro, which fair enough That kind of is always but I

2:14:42only have one tool in my tool kit like right come let's podcast about this

2:14:46I don't know like this is what I do.

2:14:48I talk but he's not willing to do that.

2:14:50He goes no Because you're like so he said because I won't I don't debate

2:14:54such intellectually dishonest people or something like that Which I thought was a weird criticism

2:14:59of me like you could say I'm wrong, but I do believe the shit I

2:15:02say yeah I don't but you're in the I don't think in any Demonstration of

2:15:09any I don't think there's a single moment that I could point to that.

2:15:12I think that you've been intellectually dishonest I think that is like factually incorrect.

2:15:17Yeah, well, that's that is gaslighting you are very honest You're a very honest person.

2:15:23Well, thank you. I try to be no you are It's one of the things

2:15:26I love about you. You you're honest about your fuck -ups.

2:15:29You're honest about your what you're incorrect about and what bothered you Plenty about things

2:15:34that you've said you're you're very honest.

2:15:36So that's a silly thing to say.

2:15:37That's total gaslighting Well, it's also well, I look at it like this and I

2:15:41don't you know Honestly, like obviously Ben Shapiro wanted to debate I would I would

2:15:45do it everybody before Well, that's the thing you go dude You can't say I'm

2:15:49beyond the pale when you're known for debating 19 year olds who are confused about

2:15:54their gender You know what I'm saying like no I don't know if you remember

2:15:57this and this to me I actually think is is very interesting But I don't

2:16:00know if you remember this but on this show when Ben was on years ago

2:16:03And there's you know years before October 7th or anything like that He was saying

2:16:07something he was talking about Israel and his defense for Israel and you went you

2:16:11go that's interesting Would you ever debate someone?

2:16:14You know who's a critic of Israel and just generically not about a specific person

2:16:18and he goes absolutely I'd be happy to do that and you know The thing

2:16:22about guys like that is that particularly with Ben Shapiro for the last two and

2:16:26a half years His number one issue Israel has been the number one topic of

2:16:30conversation and in that time Israel support has been Bleeding I mean just like to

2:16:36a level you couldn't have imagined you couldn't have imagined two and a half years

2:16:39ago to go This will be in a pro -palestinian country that was unthinkable and

2:16:42it's become that and forget me There's way better people than me Ben Shapiro debated.

2:16:49No one He never once had a conversation with a competent critic of Israel and

2:16:56That listen People saw that people notice that and so I kind of in a

2:17:02weird way feel like it's like hey, dude I don't care if you do the

2:17:04debate with me or not I wish I don't think we ever can I wish

2:17:07there would be a world where we could have a good faith conversation Like a

2:17:10guy with me and Ben Shapiro, but he refused to do it with anyone Anyway,

2:17:14so while you're smearing everybody who's a critic of Israel, you're not willing to, like,

2:17:19you, listen, there are some people who don't debate, but he branded himself as the

2:17:22debate guy. Right, if you don't like Dave, sit down with Scott Horton.

2:17:26Sure, absolutely. Scott Horton's way smarter than me and knows way more shit than me

2:17:29anyway, so talk to him about it, dude.

2:17:31I mean, if you're saying that this is the reason why you won't do it,

2:17:34that sounds crazy, because wouldn't you want to debate someone who's intellectually dishonest?

2:17:38Because it would be so easy to refute them with facts.

2:17:40Exactly, so come, like, It would be perfect.

2:17:42It's like dating, it's like sparring a guy who knows fake kung fu, you know,

2:17:47who thinks he's got a death touch, and you're Dustin Poirier.

2:17:49You're like, oh yeah, bro, lace the gloves up, let's go.

2:17:51Well, that was kind of my thing with the Douglas Murray thing, too, where it

2:17:54was like, at a certain point, you're like, dude, you can't just say you're an

2:17:57expert and I'm not an expert.

2:17:59Demonstrate that then. If that's the case, then it should be easy for you to

2:18:03just chop me up in front of the world right now.

2:18:06There was also some things that you had to correct him on about the history

2:18:09of Israel. Yeah, like you just got it wrong.

2:18:11And you could see, like, the tremor in his eyes, like, oh, shit.

2:18:14Like, they don't want to give up that ground, because they're playing a very different

2:18:16game. And the game is not, let's be intellectually honest about what we think is

2:18:22going on, and what we think is good and bad about what's going on, versus

2:18:25I'm trying to win. And one of the ways I try to win is by,

2:18:29I can appeal to authority.

2:18:32You're not an expert. You're not a this.

2:18:35You're not a professor. You've never been there.

2:18:37Yeah, that kind of shit.

2:18:39That is all, like, hack -ass fake kung fu moves.

2:18:45You know, you're going to try on Francis Ngannou.

2:18:47You know what I mean?

2:18:47Yeah, like, okay, so good luck with that.

2:18:49Not that I'm comparing you to Francis Ngannou.

2:18:51That's very disrespectful to Francis.

2:18:55Certainly not when it comes to fighting.

2:18:56You'd much rather fight me.

2:18:57This Ronda Rousey card, they got Francis fighting Philip Lins.

2:19:00Philip Lins, who's a light heavyweight in the UFC, and the UFC cut him.

2:19:05And he's fighting the scariest heavyweight who's ever walked the face of the earth.

2:19:08I mean, props to him.

2:19:09Next to primetime Alistair Overeem.

2:19:11Primetime Alistair Overeem when he was Ubering, I think, is even scarier.

2:19:15I think, because he was way skillful.

2:19:17Like, he was terrifying when he was on the sauce.

2:19:19Yes, but even... Francis is natural, so he's scarier.

2:19:25Francis almost has a thing where it just seems like you have to fight a

2:19:30perfect fight against him. Which Stipe Miocic did in his first fight.

2:19:34He took a lot of shots.

2:19:36That's the thing about Stipe.

2:19:37Like, Stipe could take a shot.

2:19:39And you would see, he would, like, jab him and he'd be rocked, but he'd

2:19:42still get the takedown and he'd exhausted him.

2:19:44He beat him with skill, strategy, experience, everything.

2:19:47But in the second one, DC said it best.

2:19:50He goes, patient Francis. It's a fucking terrifying thing.

2:19:53Dude, my favorite commentary ever in a fight was when DC said it was just

2:19:58so hilarious to me. It was so real.

2:20:00Like, he just meant it.

2:20:01But it was when Francis Ngannou fought Gon.

2:20:06And he grappled a little bit in that fight, which we had never seen him

2:20:09do before. But there was one point where he was on the ground and he,

2:20:13like, took his back or something like that.

2:20:15Like, he passed his guard or he took his back or something like that.

2:20:17And DC just goes, oh my god, he's doing jiu -jitsu now.

2:20:22It was like he was speaking of a robot who just learned how to feel

2:20:25feelings. He goes, oh my god, it's learning.

2:20:27It's advancing. Like, this is so terrifying.

2:20:30A guy that's that much of a destroyer that learns how to take backs and

2:20:33strangle people too. And control you from the back and blast you unconscious like he

2:20:37did with that dude in the PFL in his last fight.

2:20:40Took his back and just blasted him into the netherworld.

2:20:43Yeah, that's scary. He's the scariest guy that's ever fought in the UFC.

2:20:47Props to that dude for taking the fight.

2:20:49Scariest, natural, clean guy. I should say that.

2:20:50Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

2:20:52Because we only got a couple Alistair Overeem fights where he was Overeem.

2:20:56The big one being Brock Lesnar.

2:20:58That was the big one.

2:20:59And, of course, the other fight on that card that they added, which is huge,

2:21:02is the Nate Diaz. Well, here was my point.

2:21:04If Nate Diaz is fighting, I'm paying whatever you're charging.

2:21:08I'm going to be wherever it is.

2:21:10And it's Mike Perry. Great fight.

2:21:12Bad motherfucker. That's a great fight.

2:21:14But my point is they also have Roe Bellis Despain, who's on that card, who's

2:21:19a 6 '7 Cuban Taekwondo expert, who's a heavyweight, who's a knockout artist.

2:21:25Where is he fighting? They have him.

2:21:27He's fighting Junior Dos Santos.

2:21:29And Junior Dos Santos is, you know, he was an all -time great, but he

2:21:33had a long career. And he's had some bad knockouts.

2:21:36And some wars, too. Bad wars.

2:21:38The wars with Cain Velasquez took years off his life.

2:21:40The war with Stipe. It was almost criminal that they didn't stop both of those

2:21:44fights. Well, they were definitely horrible and terrible to watch.

2:21:48But the point is, Roe Bellis is huge.

2:21:51He's a real heavyweight. He's a big, giant knockout artist.

2:21:53Like, that would have been an interesting fight versus Francis.

2:21:56Big, super tall guy that's hard to hit.

2:21:59Yeah. And if it just is a striking fight, the problem with Roe Bellis, he

2:22:03got exposed in his last UFC fight on the ground.

2:22:06He got beat up. His ground game's not that good.

2:22:08Could have gotten better. But on the feet, that's a little bit more interesting to

2:22:12me than Phillip. Although, Phillip's a skillful fighter.

2:22:15You know, he's just, he's used to fighting at light heavyweight.

2:22:18The UFC cuts him. And now, all of a sudden, he's fighting against Francis.

2:22:23Yeah, that's a little bit of a mismatch.

2:22:26But, hey, I mean, you know, we've seen crazy shit happen in MMA before.

2:22:30Felipe. I think it's pronounced Felipe.

2:22:32Felipe Lins. But he's a good fighter.

2:22:34I mean, it's not a bad fight in that sense.

2:22:37But it's like, you're going up against a guy with a chip on his shoulder

2:22:40that they're paying $20 million.

2:22:42He's the lineal, I don't know what they're paying him.

2:22:44I'm just guessing. But he's the lineal heavyweight champion of the world.

2:22:47The real one. Like, if you really, like, plot it out, no one beat him

2:22:50for the title. That's a crazy fight.

2:22:54It's like, that's how shallow the heavyweight division is outside of the UFC.

2:22:59There's so few fights for you to get Francis for.

2:23:03There's so few fights in the UFC.

2:23:05I mean, the UFC's heavyweight division is a real mess.

2:23:09It's very hard to find gigantic men who are excellent fighters, I guess.

2:23:14There's a lot in Russia.

2:23:15Okay? Yeah. There's guys that are fighting in other countries that are really good, that

2:23:19are coming up. It's just like, it's hard to get them over here.

2:23:22There's Josh Hokit. He's a bad motherfucker.

2:23:24That wrestler dude who's crazy, who has these crazy speeches after the fight, puts on

2:23:28an American flag. Bandana and he said Brittany Griner has a dick Brittany Griner's a

2:23:34man. I forget what he said, but he's just nuts He's but he's also like

2:23:38really smart about marketing. Who's the other guy you you talked about him several times

2:23:41He's the the Olympic wrestler guy.

2:23:44Oh Gabe Gabe. Yeah, yeah, he's not in yet though He's not in I had

2:23:49him on the podcast. He's not in the UFC yet.

2:23:51Yeah, but he's in the UFC He's going to be a fucking problem Olympic gold

2:23:57medalist elite wrestler moves like a cat 250 pounds young Super dedicated and just recently

2:24:05learned striking is fucking people up with his hands.

2:24:08Yeah, and it's picking it up quite quickly And is a John Jones protege.

2:24:12So he's been being mentored by the goat And absorbing his mindset and how that

2:24:20guy's helping him. He's It's investing his time into training.

2:24:24But if you're a young guy, you know what a fucking boost of confidence the

2:24:27greatest of all time says You're gonna be the man.

2:24:30Yeah, you're gonna be the fucking man You just stick with this plan and they're

2:24:33bringing him up the right way.

2:24:34He fought in dirty boxing.

2:24:36He fought some small MMA organizations.

2:24:39It's just like building up experience.

2:24:41Yeah, and there's not there's never been a lot of But there's not really right

2:24:47now in heavyweight landscape. There isn't really like a Frank Mir or What's his name?

2:24:57Minotaur Noguera Noguera where there used to be these like guys who were like kind

2:25:01of known for fighting off their back You know what I mean?

2:25:03Like most heavyweights don't really like fighting off their back These even the guys who

2:25:07are really good at jiu -jitsu I also think just in general fighting off your

2:25:10back is a lot harder than it used to be Fabricio Verdum was the greatest.

2:25:13Yes. Yes. That's a great exactly He was incredible.

2:25:15He was the best at it.

2:25:15Um, but there aren't really that many guys like that a lot of these guys

2:25:18you take them down They're in trouble.

2:25:21They're in trouble. Yeah, and when you got a guy like Gable guess what bitch

2:25:24You're gonna get taken down and there's not a fucking thing you can do about

2:25:28it. That is a next level wrestler I just saw the one one of his

2:25:32recent fights where he uh, he he's finishing a double leg before he realized he

2:25:37knocked the guy out It seemed like he chaos him with a left hook and

2:25:40he's so fast that as the guy's collapsing on the way down He shoots a

2:25:44double connects takes him to the ground while he's unconscious Yeah So before the guy

2:25:48has a chance to drop that's how fast he is He's already on him taking

2:25:52him down and pounds him out while he's already unconscious.

2:25:54Yeah, that was scary That guy's a problem.

2:25:58He's a problem and that's an American heavyweight motherfucker We need one of those.

2:26:02We need some American champions.

2:26:03We're down Get him in the White House.

2:26:06Yeah, I mean are there any American champions right now?

2:26:08Who are the American champions?

2:26:10Um, Mackenzie Dern is the strawweight champion, so she's technically an American Although his her

2:26:17dad is a very famous Brazilian legend Okay, yeah Megaton Diaz is is her dad

2:26:24and she was a jiu -jitsu Brazilian jiu -jitsu champion, but she is American So

2:26:29she's a champion Other than that Who?

2:26:33Sean Strickland's fighting for the title Kayla Harrison, that's right.

2:26:37Kayla's so it's only women that are the Americans Yeah, look at that boy.

2:26:43You're gonna see a lot of those dudes with those beards That's the keep coming

2:26:47over here You gotta see a little joshua van is an american.

2:26:50That's right Um, you got a lot of those dudes.

2:26:53That's a caveat though the joshua van no disrespect for joshua Because I think he's

2:26:57an awesome fighter, but he won that fight.

2:26:59We gotta have a rematch on that one.

2:27:00That was a freak injury I mean he fell and dislocated his arm.

2:27:04It's a complete freak injury Um, and pantosha still hasn't fully recovered from that.

2:27:09So it was pretty bad.

2:27:10Whatever the fuck they said his shoulder dislocated and his elbow Yeah, I remember hearing

2:27:15that afterward. It looked like it was just his elbow Uh -huh, but they said

2:27:19the doctor had said it was his shoulder And so what it what the thing

2:27:22about the elbow is, um, the elbow is a less complicated joint, right?

2:27:27And so when the elbow gets dislocated if someone just pulls on it, it can

2:27:31pop back into place So like saying that there's as long they didn't know what

2:27:35they're doing right because you don't want to do it Like Yuri Prohaska's team didn't

2:27:39rip his shoulder apart and they need surgery.

2:27:41Probably need surgery anyway If it was dislocating like that, it was probably loose But

2:27:45the point is that like his elbow might have popped back into place by the

2:27:49time they brought him backstage And that's when they realized his shoulder was fucked because

2:27:53his shoulder probably hurt more even right right That was unfortunate because that was a

2:27:58real interesting dislocate a lot You know, and you know, sometimes people dislocate their shoulders

2:28:03and don't even realize they do And how really and they I apparently according to

2:28:08my The this orthopedic surgeon that I went to back in the day before I

2:28:12realized that stem cells could fix it This guy was convincing me that I had

2:28:16to have surgery and one of the things he said Do you know that your

2:28:18shoulders been dislocated and I said it has he goes you didn't know I go

2:28:22no It was how long how many times you hurt your shoulder I go how

2:28:25much time you got I can sit down and talk about how many times I've

2:28:28been comorrid How many times I've been fucking arm blocked how many times I've been

2:28:32caught in a triangle how many times, you know Posting on the ground I've jostled

2:28:36my shoulder The good news is there's been no fracture or ligament injury.

2:28:40That's great. Oh, that's bahumpa said that so from that We have great expectations for

2:28:46his return, but the exact time frame is still unknown still needs a lot of

2:28:49physiotherapy start moving his arm Wow, then he can go back to light training and

2:28:53then hard training, but we got to get that guy down to fucking the CPI

2:28:58in you know the the Cellular Performance Institute the UFC uses get that dude down

2:29:04to Tijuana I'm worried about I'm worried about the new model for the you have

2:29:08the paramount model I'm worried about the worn around and the new UFC model.

2:29:12This is what keeps me up at night.

2:29:13I get it So what are you worried about well the new UFC model?

2:29:16I? I'm uh, I'm no genius Um, but it seems to me like I'm a

2:29:21hardcore fan of the UFC right so I was a you know I order every

2:29:26pay -per -view right everyone you know I and and so every any Saturday if

2:29:31I'm on the road in my green room We're watching the UFC if I'm not

2:29:34on the road I'm either at home watching it or I'm trying to go to

2:29:36the event if it's in town right so then It's like okay ESPN is is

2:29:42over We're not doing that anymore.

2:29:45So then they go we're switching to Paramount now I already had Paramount because like

2:29:48my kids like some shows on Paramount.

2:29:50Yep. So now Landman. Yeah.

2:29:52Oh, yeah I watched Landman great show So you know, so like I have Paramount

2:29:56plus I'm like, oh, okay Well, that's easy enough and then I'm like so wait

2:29:59a minute. Hold on So you tell me I just get everyone for free now.

2:30:03I just don't have to order pay -per -views anymore And there's just something about

2:30:06that now. I'm not saying Whether this is Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake or

2:30:10whatever But just like the the basics of business to me go So you just

2:30:14had a loyal customer who's very happy to pay for every pay -per -view And

2:30:20I'm just not now like this just on some what now I understand it's because

2:30:24Paramount gave them a whole bunch of money, but on some level I go number

2:30:27one I go, but how is this good for business if the customer no longer

2:30:32has to pay for a thing that I was happily paying?

2:30:34Okay, let me correct you.

2:30:35Okay, sure first of all Paramount The idea of doing this and investing seven billion

2:30:43dollars into the UFC over the next few years the the positive that they're gonna

2:30:48get from that with loyal new customers is massive so if you're losing it to

2:30:54a whole new audience if you're a loyal pay -per -view buyer If you spend

2:30:59what is it 70 bucks for a pay -per -view think something so 70 bucks

2:31:03for this big -time pay -per -view card Now you get it for free you

2:31:07just have to pay for paramount plus every month for the year you're saving so

2:31:11much money Yeah, so the amount of new people that are gonna go.

2:31:15Oh, this is awesome. I don't have to pay for pay -per -view anymore So

2:31:18I pay for paramount plus and I get all these awesome shows too because paramount

2:31:22plus has a ton of no question It's a great deal for the consumer you

2:31:26get roped in through that and then you go looking around on paramount plus and

2:31:31you Pay a loyal subscriber they have all these years with this new influx of

2:31:36viewers from the UFC deal to build up more of a library more shows It's

2:31:40huge for business. Okay fair enough take their app from where it is now and

2:31:45take the streaming model from where it is now and They quadruple it over the

2:31:48next X amount of years.

2:31:50So they're okay. So for them they're bringing in the whole UFC audience And how

2:31:53many people would look at a pay -per -view card and look I would buy

2:31:57every one of them Even when I was working for the UFC, I would go

2:32:02on ESPN plus and I would buy them even though I was there I was

2:32:05like I want to be able to watch it in the gym when I get

2:32:07home. I'm gonna buy it and so you've got all All these people that were

2:32:12looking at those cards that were like this one.

2:32:15I don't know I don't know if that's worth 70 bucks if you're on a

2:32:19budget. Yeah, and you look at it.

2:32:20This one you're like who's fighting?

2:32:23Now I'm gonna pass on this one.

2:32:25I'll watch it You know a couple weeks on ESPN plus because you could just

2:32:28wait a few weeks I don't know how long the time frame is be you

2:32:31wait a few weeks and you watch it this you don't have to do that

2:32:34anymore It's ten bucks a month.

2:32:36What is paramount plus a month?

2:32:37How much does it cost?

2:32:37I think they upped it to maybe 12 or 13, but let's find out so

2:32:41we're accurate, but you're saving so much money But also on ESPN they charge just

2:32:47something like that too Like you had to pay an ESPN right fee and then

2:32:51you had to pay for each individual pay -per -view So no listen, I'm saving

2:32:54a lot of money. Okay, it's $13 .99 a month or $139 a year for

2:33:00the ad -free premium plan which includes Showtime New and former subscribers can currently get

2:33:05any monthly plan for $2 .99 a month for the first two months It's not

2:33:09for so for a new subscriber you could try it out for two months for

2:33:13$2 .99 a month and watch every UFC for $2 .99 a month for two

2:33:17months It's fucking worth it.

2:33:18No, and then you're gonna get this huge influx of people that you know If

2:33:24you're on a budget you're not gonna subscribe to paramount plus you already got Netflix

2:33:27Netflix costs X amount of money Maybe you got HBO max.

2:33:31That's X amount of money.

2:33:32I can't afford paramount too.

2:33:34I don't want to pay another 10 bucks a month or $14 a month Now

2:33:37you just it's easy. Yeah, no pay -per -views Yeah, they made they made a

2:33:42lot of wives of hardcore fans happy I'm sure for that You're like I don't

2:33:46have to buy these pay -per -views anymore shows Yeah, they get the paramount shows

2:33:50and yeah, they don't have to do that.

2:33:51All right fair enough. I guess it's just um In some ways I guess and

2:33:55I don't really have much of a mind for business, but in some ways there's

2:33:58just a thing where it's like we've always done it This way now We're doing

2:34:02it a whole new way, but it's been on streaming for the last few years

2:34:05Yeah, that's so it's always been on an app anyway And then paramount you could

2:34:09get it on Apple TV you can get it on Android TV and get it

2:34:12on all these different things It's like there's no reason to not have it.

2:34:15Yeah, it's easy. It's just great for as a business move for paramount It was

2:34:20a smart fucking move because you get this built -in hardcore fan base now have

2:34:25some of the cards been lackluster Yes, but guess what that has always been the

2:34:30case. Yeah, and that's just a matter of time Go back and watch Rose Namajunas

2:34:35versus Carlos Barza There's been some fights back in the day that just weren't great.

2:34:39Yeah, and there's been cards that Even though they look good on paper In reality

2:34:45they weren't so fun. Yeah, but I also I'm I'm with you Uh, because I

2:34:49remember you used to say this back in the day all the time, but I

2:34:51I am like a purist fan in in MMA in the sense that like All

2:34:55of that is like I don't care like like feel like oh, it's boring You're

2:34:59like it's the most exciting sport in the world on its worst day even in

2:35:02a fight That's a bad fight because you if you remember the uh, um Frank

2:35:06mir crow cop is a good example of this where it was just a boring

2:35:09fight the entire fight And then there's a spectacular knockout at the end of it

2:35:12and even if that doesn't end up happening You're always watching like that could happen

2:35:16at any moment It always can happen.

2:35:18I also, uh, I also am with you.

2:35:19I I believe in like, uh, I don't believe in stand -ups I don't think

2:35:23anyone should ever be stood up.

2:35:24I don't think you should be separated for stalemate or whatever It's like if someone

2:35:27puts you in that position then yeah, you gotta get out of it get up

2:35:30If they're not doing enough on the top, that's silly Sean O'Malley explains why piracy

2:35:35led to the UFC's massive paramount deal.

2:35:37Oh, interesting There's a lot of people that'll pay for it every week, but there's

2:35:40a lot of people that won't that makes sense They're streaming it illegally that makes

2:35:45sense I knew there was a lot of that because there were sites that you

2:35:47could go to and people would openly talk about it You can go to it

2:35:51and just watch the pay -per -view.

2:35:53It's a good move, dude.

2:35:54It's a good move for for the business It's just like they just need a

2:35:57few You You banger cards to make people forget about the stale ones you got

2:36:01always that will happen. It's inevitable You're gonna have stale cards.

2:36:05I'm concerned about the White House fight I'm concerned about it not just from a

2:36:10security standpoint I'm concerned about it because it's outside It's June and it's in Washington

2:36:15DC when you if it's hot out and it could very well be like what's

2:36:19the average temperature? I looked this up the other day average 67 % humidity and

2:36:23last year or 2024 is 100 degrees on June 14th Okay, okay, that's tough.

2:36:29Okay, and I think it's supposed to be also.

2:36:31Yeah, that's that's an issue.

2:36:32Okay. Okay. Okay. That's a fucking big problem, dude That's a big problem.

2:36:36You are going to radically affect their performance if you make people fight in 100

2:36:41degree temperature with 67 % humidity outside You're also gonna radically affect my ability to

2:36:46do commentary. Okay? My fucking head doesn't have any hair.

2:36:51The top of my head is gonna be beet red I'm gonna have to put

2:36:54some toxic sunscreen on it You're gonna see me with that white zinc powder that

2:36:58the surfers use on their nose It'll be all over the I'll make like fake

2:37:02hair with like white zinc My head's gonna.

2:37:05That is that is an issue 80 % chance of thunderstorms with highs in the

2:37:09mid 80s Okay, are they building a tent?

2:37:11Is this outside outside or is it outside in a tent?

2:37:14Are they gonna have like fans blowing cold air on us?

2:37:16You know how much DC's gonna complain?

2:37:19That fucking dude He's gonna be right next to me.

2:37:22His shirt's gonna be soaked Yeah, that's a bit of an issue You won't be

2:37:25able to tell with mine because I always wear black anyway But everybody with a

2:37:28white shirt or a blue shirt If Anik has a light blue shirt on his

2:37:32pits are gonna be fucking filled up with sweat It's gonna be ridiculous That also

2:37:36like really legitimately changes the actual fight itself Oh 100 % Isn't that like the

2:37:42rendering of it? Okay, so there I don't see any AC there bro How you

2:37:46gonna get AC on those people?

2:37:47What is that gonna be like?

2:37:49That sounds fucking insane to do that in June just cuz that's a fun time

2:37:53to do it I mean if I was Justin Gaethje or I was Ilya Toporia

2:37:58If I was Justin Gaethje, I mean first of all he has to take the

2:38:01fight It's a historic fight.

2:38:03It's at the White House He's a true red -blooded American He wants to win

2:38:07the title at the White House Come on, you have to do it But he's

2:38:1137 years old He's had a long career And he's fighting maybe the most lethal

2:38:18guy he's ever faced Yeah The one guy out of all the guys he faced

2:38:22that can shut the fucking lights out with one shot every time His last three

2:38:28fights is the craziest resume in the history of the sport Knocks out Alexander Volkanovski

2:38:34Knocks out Max Holloway Knocks out Charles Oliveira Two at featherweight, one at lightweight All

2:38:41of them leveled I wouldn't even say Well, I guess it's debatable But certainly you

2:38:48could make an argument the two best featherweights of all time Yes And one of

2:38:52the greatest lightweights of all time One of the greatest lightweights of all time And

2:38:54by the way, I know MMA math is never perfect But you look at what

2:38:57Oliveira just did to Max Holloway Yeah Who I love, one of my favorite fighters

2:39:01of all time Love Max But you look at what Charles Oliveira just did to

2:39:04Max Holloway Bro And then you think about the way Ilya Toporia handled him Flatlined

2:39:09him in the first round And not, what was to me almost as impressive as

2:39:14the knockout Was handling him on the ground Yeah Passed his guard He tried to

2:39:21take him down Think about the way He got one of those body locks and

2:39:24tried to take him down Think about how helpless Max Holloway was for that How

2:39:27helpless a whole bunch of guys we've seen are when he gets his hands around

2:39:30you And Ilya Toporia, he tried to do that He ends up on top and

2:39:33passes his guard right away Also, he ate a really clean elbow early in that

2:39:38fight And just was like nothing Yeah, shook it off like it was nothing He's

2:39:43a special talent But then again, when you are dealing with special talents And great,

2:39:49great fighters like Justin Who this is probably his last opportunity to fight for the

2:39:54title I want that under the perfect conditions Yeah I want that to be in

2:39:58an arena where it's 72 degrees and air conditioned I don't want it to be

2:40:02outside I don't want there to be any additional stress or distractions Because you're warming

2:40:07up at the White House Like what do you have?

2:40:10Tents with mats on them and these guys are going to be slipping around in

2:40:13puddles of sweat They're shadow boxing in the situation room before you come out Who's

2:40:17gonna slip on sweat and blow their ACL out?

2:40:19You know, I mean If you ever done striking on mats when a bunch of

2:40:23dudes have been training like in a class It's so fucking slippery man Yeah If

2:40:28it's that hot It's gonna Unless they have it These mats and where they're getting

2:40:33set up in air conditioned building somewhere Unless they have a facility Yeah, maybe they

2:40:38can do that I hope they think that through I hope they think that through

2:40:41I hope they prepare it It's just I don't like I like the idea that

2:40:47it's like this big celebration of the UFC that the president loves the UFC so

2:40:52much He wants to do it at the White House But in practice, I don't

2:40:55like it at all because you've got two world titles You know, you've got the

2:41:00interim heavyweight world title And then you've got this world title with Justin and Ilya

2:41:05at 55 I don't like it I want those to be at the T -Mobile

2:41:10I want those to be at the Madison Square Garden Arena You know, I want

2:41:13those to be somewhere dope The TD Garden in Boston Put it in a fucking

2:41:18real arena where it's air conditioned, damn it Yeah, yeah These are amazing fights I

2:41:23don't want anybody fighting when it's a hundred degrees outside That's crazy And correct me

2:41:28if I'm wrong But also I would think it's You're gonna get sweaty so quick

2:41:32in weather like that And that is a big deal for like grappling and stuff

2:41:36like that I mean like that's a huge advantage if you're trying to not get

2:41:39grappled by someone Here's another factor These are people that just were radically dehydrated 24

2:41:46hours ago And then you're asking them to compete in a sauna You're basically asking

2:41:51them to fight in a sauna That is still so crazy to me That there's

2:41:55not a way that we can just get two guys who weigh 180 pounds to

2:42:01fight at 180 pounds And instead we have to have two guys who weigh 180

2:42:06pounds cut down to 150 pounds And then rehydrate up to 180 pounds to fight

2:42:12at 180 pounds 180 pounds and weaken themselves like radically weaken themselves I see those

2:42:16guys the day they weigh in the worst ever that I ever saw was Travis

2:42:21Luder So Travis Anderson Silva, I remember he missed weight But I was backstage for

2:42:27all of it, right? So this was back when the weigh -ins were the time

2:42:30of the actual weigh -ins It wasn't the ceremonial weigh -in like now they give

2:42:34them more time You can weigh in in the morning and then by the ceremonial

2:42:37weigh -in, which is usually 5 p .m.

2:42:38Usually these guys have significantly rehydrated.

2:42:41They do it slowly, but they have a process to it But Travis missed weight

2:42:46and so I was backstage while they gave him X amount of time to make

2:42:50the weight and dude He couldn't walk.

2:42:52He was shuffling Shuffling like he couldn't pick his legs up.

2:42:56His lips were cracked. His face was dry.

2:42:59He looked like he was gonna die He looked like a guy who had been

2:43:02Shipwrecked, you know and like lost at sea and just drinking his own piss for

2:43:06a week And they finally rescued him.

2:43:08That's what it looked like But he was dying I guess right?

2:43:11I mean that is what you're looking at And then 24 hours later he has

2:43:14to fight the greatest middleweight of all time He has to fight Anderson motherfucking Silva

2:43:19in his prime and But I did for that being the story yeah did remarkably

2:43:24well I mean he got viciously Elbowed it was elbowed in the triangle.

2:43:30Yeah That would not have happened if Travis wasn't compromised Travis was a real problem

2:43:34back. Yeah He was one of the best jiu -jitsu guys to ever compete in

2:43:37MMA and he was stylistically Kind of like the best shot against Anderson Silva at

2:43:42that exactly and because Anderson Silva just looked untouchable and he got him down He

2:43:46got him into good positions a few times even though he was fucked from the

2:43:49weight cut But the thing was he never made the weight So even if he

2:43:53wouldn't have got the title the whole thing was fucked Yeah, but it's like I've

2:43:57advocated for there's a solution one of them is multiple weight classes That are additional

2:44:02to what we have have one at least every 10 pounds and it probably should

2:44:06be more and a lot of people push back against that But listen 10 pounds

2:44:10for an elite athlete is a big fucking deal 20 pounds is crazy So when

2:44:16you go like 85 to 205 that's crazy.

2:44:19Yeah, that's too much weight.

2:44:20It's too much of a gap You could have multiple champions in between those weight

2:44:24classes, and it's just better for the sport overall You've got more champions and more

2:44:29champion versus champion matchups you can make well There's it also first of all it's

2:44:33very unhealthy and dangerous and that's the biggest issue But then it also makes it

2:44:38a thing where it's like now there's there's two factors It's not just who's the

2:44:43best fighter. It's also who's the best at dehydrating themselves losing a ton of weight

2:44:48team And rehydrating themselves and also I think like I've heard I've heard GSP say

2:44:53before that Like some people are just naturally better at that Yeah, some people just

2:44:57fluctuate and wait more some people can lose a lot of weight and then gain

2:45:00it all back the other day And he used to always say I just can't

2:45:02do that like I'm not a guy who can do that But I think all

2:45:05but we just want to see who the best fighter is exactly we don't care

2:45:08about who's the best at dehydrating anything that It hampers your ability should be removed

2:45:13from the equation Especially if it's something like this, but there's a solution first of

2:45:16all There's a real silliness to the MMA weight classes and why I say silliness

2:45:21our names that we use Have been owned by boxing for more than a hundred

2:45:27years and the names that we use are for different weight classes than boxing uses

2:45:32Yeah, that's dumb. Yeah, that is dumb as shit Like if you want to have

2:45:36a 170 pound champion fantastic, but don't call it a welterweight because welterweight is 147

2:45:43Right, it's been 147 for over a hundred fucking years The fact that you have

2:45:47a 147 champion and you call that or 145 champion you call that a featherweight

2:45:53Featherweight is 126. Yeah, that's what it's been in boxing forever Lightweight has always been

2:45:58135. That's what Julio Cesar Chavez was the champ of 135 135 135 lightweights 155

2:46:05in the UFC like Come up with your own names.

2:46:09Yeah, why do we still have these stupid?

2:46:10I never thought about that?

2:46:11It's a good point They attach these names to it when they first started developing

2:46:15weight classes because it used to just be one weight class Oh another one on

2:46:18this why and I think you've mentioned this before why am I not getting the

2:46:22leg reach? They do that sometimes do they yeah, they do that I've seen like

2:46:26but on the regular tail of the tape It'll still just be reach.

2:46:30Yeah, it's like but in this because that actually for MMA That's such a huge

2:46:35deal sure like it's such a huge because oh like if you're yeah If you're

2:46:39in kicking range of me, but you know what I mean, but you can't touch

2:46:42me your jab doesn't matter as much as in boxing You know, right some guys

2:46:47they have really long legs for their torso Like my friend Larry my friend Larry

2:46:51Jones from my talk window days.

2:46:53He had this short torso What is this all those leg reaches longer than steep?

2:46:58It's whoa? That's crazy. That right?

2:47:01That's crazy steep. It just has a way longer torso That's not The help step

2:47:06they're the same. Oh wow.

2:47:07Yeah, that's crazy. Well Aldo was such a good kicker.

2:47:10It's probably part of the reason why Um my friend Larry had this short torso

2:47:14like really short But he was like 6 '3 and he was all legs and

2:47:18he was this insane kicker He was like a freak like he was made in

2:47:21a lab and when guys would fight him like you'd see guys in tournaments fight

2:47:24him They'd be like what the fuck am I gonna do with this?

2:47:26His reach was so nuts and he was so fast with his kicks and you

2:47:31couldn't get anywhere close to him If you were in his weight class and you

2:47:34were normally built right he was built His torso was shorter than mine, but his

2:47:38crazy long legs and long arms Yeah, that's some people are just built certain ways

2:47:43and for striking. It's a giant problem There's another thing that makes Ilya Teporia so

2:47:48fucking unbelievably impressive. He's not tall at all Yeah, you know and he's just flatlining

2:47:54people. Oh, I mean Charles Oliveira looked so much bigger than oh in that fight

2:47:58and so much bigger than max too Oliveira is big it's like Look the sports

2:48:04fine. It's not it's not trouble sports not in trouble.

2:48:08The heavyweight divisions in trouble the heavyweight division is kind of fucked It's in a

2:48:11weird situation. The Alex Pereira thing is very interesting Alex Pereira versus Cyril gone is

2:48:17very very very interesting because Cyril gone is a problem That guy's a problem.

2:48:22He's super athletic. He's really fast.

2:48:25He's super skillful with strike His Muay Thai is absolutely elite, and he does a

2:48:30lot of things different than what a lot of people do.

2:48:33And has anyone, because even Francis, like I was saying before, grappled with him a

2:48:37lot in that fight. Obviously John Jones took him down and choked him.

2:48:41But has anyone really stood toe -to -toe and beat him up?

2:48:44No. No, no one's beat him up toe -to -toe.

2:48:46Tai Tuivasa went toe -to -toe with him and tried to, but he got lit

2:48:50up. Yeah. Dude, Cyril gone is a problem.

2:48:53And even in the little bit with Tom Aspinall, it looked like he's tough.

2:48:57He's tough to fight like that, man.

2:48:59Not just tough. He was like getting off on Aspinall, and it didn't look good

2:49:03for Aspinall. I mean, it's very unfortunate that he got his eyes poked.

2:49:06I mean, we really never got to see what happens if you drag Cyril in

2:49:10deep water. The way Tom would adjust it for the second round or third round.

2:49:14Which we've never really seen out of Tom either.

2:49:16It was very interesting that we got robbed of that.

2:49:18Yeah, we got robbed of that.

2:49:19And poor Tom, he's had two fucking eye surgeries.

2:49:22And then he felt like the UFC disrespected him.

2:49:24The whole thing's a mess.

2:49:25It's a mess. Well, I don't know about the UFC, but a lot of fans

2:49:27did disrespect him. I saw that.

2:49:28Which is crazy. It is.

2:49:30Like, this is really stupid.

2:49:31We talked about this last night.

2:49:32It should be one point, period, if you poke someone in the eyes.

2:49:35If you poke someone in the eyes, one point.

2:49:37Well, especially if the fingers go in the eyes.

2:49:40If it's like a glancing thing like that, maybe get a warning.

2:49:43But, and a nut shot.

2:49:45Straight nut shot, one point.

2:49:47The glancing thing, maybe a warning.

2:49:50I think that could be up to the judge's discretion upon view of the replay.

2:49:54Yeah, well I, the thing is that, and we were talking about this last night.

2:49:58If you, so if you land a nut shot, and it's accidental, as it almost

2:50:03always is. You know what I mean?

2:50:04You're trying to throw an inside leg kick.

2:50:06Unless you're Derek Lewis. Well, okay.

2:50:08Maybe not, I said almost.

2:50:09Almost always. But so, I just see this all the time in MMA.

2:50:14It's the first one. It was an accident.

2:50:16This guy gets kicked in the nuts.

2:50:18He needs a few minutes.

2:50:19Usually they don't take the full five, or whatever they're offered.

2:50:22And then you just go back.

2:50:23It's like, look, even if it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the

2:50:28guy who kicked him in the groin.

2:50:31Yeah, you hurt him. Like, you hurt this guy, and now he's got to get

2:50:33back to it, and there's no, so like, it does seem like there almost has

2:50:36to be some accounting for that.

2:50:39And there's, I think there's still, it's still a very young sport.

2:50:42I think there is still too much referee discretion.

2:50:45I think you're right. Like, there's too much, like, there should be like, an official

2:50:47rule for what we do in this situation.

2:50:49Especially those kind of fouls.

2:50:49Not just like, how do the refs feel?

2:50:50It's like, it doesn't exist in basketball, right?

2:50:52Yeah. If somebody fouls somebody in basketball and everybody sees it, that's a foul.

2:50:57Yes. Right? And the crowd will go nuts.

2:50:59Usually. Maybe like a real one, like throwing someone to the ground.

2:51:03I could show you examples.

2:51:05There are some fucking wild things that don't get called for whatever reason.

2:51:08Don't you think that's a little bit of the corrupt referees?

2:51:11Yeah. I'm not saying all of them, but that is one thing that's been 100

2:51:14% proven, is that referees do get paid off in order to influence gambling lines.

2:51:19Yeah, there was that one referee who confirmed that it was the Sacramento Kings versus

2:51:27the Lakers, which was like a series that was like notoriously like, everyone was like,

2:51:33yo, it was crazy. They didn't call any of these fouls on the Lakers.

2:51:36And they called all these fouls.

2:51:37And then a ref came out and was like, oh yeah, that's weird.

2:51:39And it does kind of make sense.

2:51:42It's so gross. Because it was the Shaq and Kobe Lakers.

2:51:44Mm -hmm. You gotta get them in the finals, dude.

2:51:46Yeah. It was big money.

2:51:47God, it's so gross. His defense weirdly was like, no one told us what to

2:51:51do, but you kind of know what they want, so you sort of do it.

2:51:54And then you keep putting on good games and you keep getting the good stuff.

2:51:58Hang them. Public hanging. Fuck you.

2:52:01We can deal with Congress's insider trading, but basketball must be a fair act.

2:52:06Bad judges hanging. Hang them.

2:52:08Hang them all in front of the kingdom.

2:52:11All right, dude. Anything else before we wrap this up?

2:52:14No, thank you for letting a non -expert talk MMA with you so much.

2:52:18I love talking to non -experts.

2:52:21Dude, thank you so much for everything, as always, dude.

2:52:23My pleasure, brother. Thank you.

2:52:24You're the fucking man. I love you, dude.

2:52:25You're the fucking man, too.

2:52:25I love you, too. We'll have fun tonight, right?

2:52:28Are you coming? You leaving?

2:52:30I gotta go right to the airport.

2:52:31Damn, last night was fun.

2:52:32It was a lot of fun.

2:52:33All right. Bye, everybody. Bye bye.

2:52:45Bye bye, everybody. Bye bye.

2:52:48Bye bye.

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