Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Feb 20 2026
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
0:39Sometimes we get things right that aren't necessarily ideal for President Trump.
0:45This was one of them.
0:47In the early morning hours, yeah, early morning is probably right, but about two hours
0:55ago, the Supreme Court released an opinion striking down President Trump's authority to put the
1:03tariffs in place that he put in place last April.
1:07By the way, just breaking right now, Caroline Leavitt says President Trump will hold a
1:13press briefing on the Supreme Court's tariff decision at 1245.
1:18I would imagine that we will go to that.
1:22But let me give you a little bit of a medley, a montage of the
1:27media reporting about two hours ago that the tariffs were being struck down by the
1:36Supreme Court. This is cut to.
1:37We are in breaking news here.
1:39It's just got that Supreme Court ruling in the last hour, six to three, shooting
1:43down the president's use of IEPA tariffs.
1:47The Supreme Court just struck down the bulk of President Trump's tariffs.
1:52This is huge news. This is happening as we speak.
1:55The president's emergency tariffs are illegal.
1:59A significant loss for President Trump.
2:02A major slap at the president of the United States.
2:04This now strikes down tariffs that are imposed to 80 countries.
2:08This is the first time that the 6 -3 conservative court has ruled against President
2:13Trump. Okay, a couple of months ago, we'll play this.
2:20Among others, we have been telling you on this program that we thought that this
2:24would likely be a loss for Trump in the wake of oral arguments.
2:29Here was January on the program, cut one.
2:33All right, I'm nervous about this one, Buck.
2:35I think the Supreme Court is going to strike down some elements of President Trump.
2:39I think this is one where the president's going to get a pushback from the
2:43Supreme Court, and they are going to have a really complicated situation here.
2:52My concern is that they're going to slap him back some on this.
2:55We'll see, but I think it could be a major pushback.
2:59Okay, so they did as we had forecast on the program.
3:05The stock market, for those of you who care, basically seemed to expect that this
3:09ruling was going to come down.
3:11The Dow relatively unmoved to the S &P 500, up about four -tenths of a
3:17percentage. So, Buck, here is the complicated question going forward.
3:22I would wager a ton of money.
3:24We'll see when he comes on at 1245 Eastern and has this press conference.
3:29I would wager a lot that President Trump will now cite a new statutory authority
3:35to allow him to take executive action on tariffs.
3:38That will then be challenged and go all the way back to the Supreme Court.
3:42The Supreme Court will be ruling on that.
3:44In the meantime, I would say the biggest outcome here is what, if at all,
3:50and this opinion does not focus on it, will happen for people who claim tariff
3:55refunds, arguing that this tariff should not have been able to be put in place
3:59and, therefore, the money should be returned to the companies that have been paying the
4:04tariff. That's the biggest question.
4:05Your take here as this news came down this morning before we came on the
4:10air. Not unexpected at all.
4:13And I was going through the decision this morning in some detail.
4:18It's an interesting history here, right?
4:20The president looks at this 1977 IEPA law and says, well, hold on a second.
4:26We have a flood of illegal drugs coming from Canada, Mexico, and China.
4:30We have massive deficits which create an economic and even maybe national security risk over
4:37the long term for the United States.
4:39So he's going to take action.
4:41And it seemed that in much of the back and forth in the actual decision,
4:46the question is the action was not explicit enough in that law.
4:52And even though it is explicit that the president could do far more extreme things,
4:57under this law it seems the president could say, no more steel from China, period.
5:02He could do that. He could say, you can't give us, you can't import any
5:07more steel from China, national security risk.
5:09But he can't say, again, according to the 6 -3 majority here, which included Roberts
5:14and Gorsuch and, of course, Amy Coney Barrett, what you can't do is say there's
5:18a 10 % tariff now for national security reasons or for emergency reasons.
5:24uh that goes into effect there was a lot of argument over so you're saying
5:28he can do a de minimis thing or an extreme thing but he can't do
5:33meaning the little tiny regulations around these issues a massive shutdown of these things of
5:39these imports of of uh of imports coming into the country but you can't tax
5:44them they say you can't tax them because that's left to congress that is a
5:48that is a uh constitutional power it is the sort of fundamental foundational unfortunately constitutional
5:55power left the united states congress um so there's a lot of back and forth
6:00over that i think you're right about the logistics uh now getting it's going to
6:05get interesting to see so do companies actually get money back from the government the
6:09government's taken in is that what's going to happen do they all have to go
6:12and seek suit individually is there some what what happens now to the large some
6:18hundreds of billions of dollars that have been taken in as a result of this
6:21the markets haven't been spooked at all by it so far which means i think
6:25the reality here was priced in that this was probably going to be the outcome
6:29uh neither you nor i surprised by it one thing i do think is interesting
6:33is it completely changes the tariff debate meaning what trump has done has shown that
6:40you can in fact impose tariffs it will not destroy the economy it will bring
6:45in hundreds of billions of dollars of revenue every other country does this maybe this
6:49is something we should think about it changes the uh the tariffs are you know
6:54lead to trade wars trade war lead lead to real wars uh changes that discussion
6:59i think clay going forward uh we'll see it'd be really interesting if you call
7:04this one i'll be very impressed that trump just comes out and says okay tariffs
7:08now under the following authority everything stays exactly as is and then he buys himself
7:13another well it depends how fast the supreme court tries to move on this but
7:17he would buy himself have to go through the courts that have to be more
7:21process that would be very interesting i think i would bet almost 100 chance that's
7:26what he's going to do and he will basically try to run out the clock
7:30on the remainder of his term as it pertains to tariffs i think your point
7:34is a good one back in april of last year everybody told us oh my
7:38goodness this is going to destroy the economy we're going to have a recession instead
7:42we're sitting at record high uh stock market prices uh the overall as we said
7:47yesterday mortgage rates have come down inflation has come down gdp numbers were not great
7:52this morning but they were great in the fourth quarter and a large part of
7:55the gdp issues uh was the huge shutdown that we had that went on at
8:00the end of last year i think everything is poised as people are set for
8:04record uh amounts of money back uh refunds from the government associated with the president's
8:10big tax cut lots of people are going to get thousands and thousands of dollars
8:14more than they expect uh and then they will go spend that money and that
8:18will juice the economy to a large extent um in the spring and the summer
8:22of this year so um to me president trump's going to cite different authority almost
8:29100 he may even be explicit in that when he comes out in about 30
8:33minutes talks about it here's my big picture uh analysis and why i thought the
8:38supreme court would strike down president trump on tariffs this actually makes me wonder what
8:44they're going to give a yes to trump on and some people who are lawyers
8:48get upset with me when i talk about the fact that the supreme court is
8:53clearly cognizant of its political standing and if they give trump everything even if they
8:59think that he has a strong legal argument if they give trump everything then they
9:04say oh it's a rubber stamp for trump the supreme court has no legitimacy notice
9:08how all of a sudden msnbc loves the supreme court and loves how much they're
9:14willing to stand on principle and everything else there are many complicated cases that are
9:20still before the supreme court right now that would be i think far more consequential
9:26than the tariff ruling let me give you a couple of them what are they
9:29going to say about the law as it pertains to racial gerrymanders i think they're
9:33going to strike it down buck i think they're going to say basically in this
9:37modern era in which we live the idea of allowing a racial gerrymander is unconstitutional
9:43that could potentially cost democrats around 20 seats according to uh some of the analysis
9:50that i have seen of what the impact of that decision would be also birthright
9:56citizenship i would argue maybe the most foundational and transformational of the cases that the
10:03supreme court is facing right now and waiting to render a verdict on is birthright
10:07citizenship are they going to slap down trump's interpretation of birthright citizenship which says merely
10:14being born on the soil of the united states does not make you a citizen
10:18if they're going to make some interesting rulings on those cases racial gerrymandering and uh
10:24supreme you think they've given themselves some leeway here to give trump some things that
10:27are going to make the left go completely insane i don't think you're wrong i
10:30think john roberts clearly has that in mind uh as as he goes forward on
10:35some of this as probably does amy coney barrett and on the birthright citizenship issue
10:40i don't with the exception maybe of thomas and alito i don't think any of
10:45those justices want to give the decision that it is in fact not they don't
10:51want to take the heat I don't think they want to do that, but I
10:54think they recognize the alternative is to really open the door to the dissolution of
11:01American sovereignty entirely and to create a special category where the violation of law creates
11:07a permanent and fantastic benefit, which is a really bad thing for a Supreme Court
11:14to do, a really, really bad thing.
11:16And so I think that they're, you know, on that one, I do believe that
11:22the left is going to be at an absolute moment of apoplexia over it.
11:27Both of those. And I'm not saying necessarily that I think he's going to win
11:30both of them, but I think they're going to end racial gerrymandering.
11:34I would expect that that is going to happen.
11:37Birthright citizenship, I think, is going to be a close call.
11:40And Justice Roberts is a notoriously political chief justice.
11:45And, you know, we saw it with Obamacare.
11:47We've seen it with a lot of the decisions that he makes.
11:50He tries to give and take every single general session that they bring to bear
11:57all of these different Supreme Court cases.
11:59So I think he sees this as, hey, we're going to rebuke President Trump.
12:04We're going to establish that we are still the law of the land and we
12:07aren't rubber stamping him. Remember, there's been a lot of criticism.
12:10I think they got this right on the Supreme Court with all the presidential powers
12:14questions. We told you on this program that Trump was going to get presidential powers,
12:19but Trump's going to be gone in January of twenty nine.
12:21These powers rulings on executive privilege and power and criminal charges and all those things
12:27are going to extend to every president for the rest of our lives and hopefully
12:30for hundreds of years. And so here I think they I think they wanted to
12:35rebuke him. I think they wanted to slap him back.
12:37I think he's going to now cite different authority and we're going to go right
12:41back into the legislative back into the judicial system, determining whether or not the president
12:48has the authority. Also, Congress could act.
12:50It's worth mentioning. But everybody out there basically has determined that Congress can't do anything.
12:55But they could say the president has the authority to do these tariffs.
13:00They can't pass anything. And and so I don't have a lot of faith in
13:06the legislative branch to actually weigh in on what the Supreme Court said.
13:10It is their job to be weighing in on.
13:13Yes, I think that is.
13:15I think that is accurate.
13:15By the way, manufacturing delusion is still a bestseller on Amazon, my friends.
13:20But we lost a slot yesterday.
13:21We dropped down a spot.
13:22We just said there is a there is a autobiography of a former exotic dancer
13:27who is married to a country music singer that is now the number one book
13:31on Amazon in the in the world.
13:34Clay, this is what the world has come to what to tell you.
13:37Jelly Roll, Jelly Roll is a popular guy.
13:40I mean, it's tough to go head to head with Jelly Roll's army out there.
13:43It is tough for me to go head to head with a book with a
13:46woman called Stripped Down, where she has part of her thong showing.
13:50That is a true story.
13:52You should have shown had a little bit more sex appeal on the cover.
13:55I mean, I should have shown a little leg.
13:56Yeah, I should have shown a little leg.
13:58Maybe a foot. Maybe a foot.
14:00There's a lot of feet people out there.
14:01I think it could have made a difference.
14:03Massive tattoo on my shoulder.
14:04The point is, I think you should support books that actually have an important message
14:09that have research and that have writing done by a person who cares about writing.
14:14So go get Manufacturing Delusion because it's fabulous.
14:17It's a bestseller and it's something that I think you will really appreciate.
14:20We want to get on that bestseller list.
14:22I do not think I'll be able to defeat the former exotic dancer.
14:28Apparently, this book is just taken off.
14:30By the way, Meacham, I will tell you, we've smoked Meacham.
14:34So thank you for that.
14:36Meacham is like, oh no, what am I going to do?
14:38My book isn't selling. Meacham got smoked.
14:41But the exotic dancer has smoked me so far.
14:43I don't know what else to say.
14:44So am I bitter about it?
14:45No. I'm glad she's having a win.
14:47But it does feel a little unfair because I don't get to show thong on
14:51the cover of my book.
14:52Because if I did, Clay, who knows?
14:55I've been working out. Maybe it would get a little extra love.
14:57Maybe people would be like, I'm going to buy this because I feel sorry for
15:01him. Get Manufacturing Delusion wherever you can.
15:03It is a great book.
15:05Go on Amazon now. Let's get that up to the top of the bestseller list.
15:09Again, it's like number five or number six as of this morning.
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17:00T's and C's apply. Welcome to our number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
17:05We appreciate all of you hanging out with us on this Friday.
17:08President Trump scheduled to speak at the White House momentarily.
17:12We are monitoring. We bring in now the governor of Indiana, Mike Braun.
17:16And, Governor, I believe you were in the White House a little bit earlier today
17:21when news came down about the tariffs coming out.
17:24There's been some reporting about the president's reaction.
17:28Were you there when he noticed?
17:29Did you did the president comment on it at all?
17:32We got a bunch of stuff to get into with you, but we will start
17:35with that one. Since you were an eyewitness earlier today in the White House at
17:39the Republican at the Governor's Association.
17:41Yeah, it was a late breakfast at the White House, and the president had just
17:46gone through about close to an hour, maybe 45 minutes of banter back and forth
17:52with us, citing the economic kind of benefits of his policies, the difference between blue
18:00states and red states. And, of course, the blue governors were in the room and
18:04got into the first part of a Q &A, which could have gone long.
18:09I've been in several of them before.
18:11And I think two questions got asked.
18:13And right about in the middle of the first one, a note was brought to
18:18him, and he said what it was and then did the rest of that question
18:22and one more. And then he said, well, to be honest, I'm kind of seething
18:26over this, like I need to go talk to the press.
18:29So no real comment other than he was anxious to get out and start, you
18:35know, replying in whatever fashion he's going to.
18:39Governor, it's Buck. Thanks for being here.
18:40Now that we've seen what the tariffs have done up to this point, and, you
18:47know, so we have evidence.
18:48We've run the experiment, as I like to say.
18:50What is your view of the president's tariffs and up to this point?
18:54And, again, I'm not asking you to weigh in on the Supreme Court decision.
18:57I want to know what do you think tariffs were doing for the economy because
19:00going forward, I think people are going to have a different perspective on this as
19:05a tool for the economy one way or the other.
19:08Well, it's clear. I never thought my macroeconomics degree would come into play from back
19:12in college, but it really makes sense.
19:15We rebuilt Europe in the trading economy, you know, through the Marshall Plan, and we
19:23were deferential to those economies in many different ways to get them up on their
19:27feet. And along with that, we became, you know, where we did not have reciprocity.
19:35And I think that was generally going to need to be weaned off of, and
19:42Trump, I think, wisely saw that it needed to be done.
19:45And, I mean, we were running a trillion -dollar trade deficit and $2 trillion on
19:51our fiscal account. I mean, that's draining us from being a creditor into a debt
19:57-to -ordination. So something had to give, and I don't think the dynamic would have
20:01changed unless you were using the leverage of tariffs.
20:04I think once you get them down or they're reciprocal, and a lot of that
20:09has occurred, it'll be interesting to me to see if the deals that have been
20:13made with the countries where they've already done it, whether they'll try to, you know,
20:19claw any of that back.
20:21I'd be surprised maybe if that happens.
20:23What happens going forward in terms of the use of the tool, there are other
20:27ways that you can influence bad trade arrangements.
20:31And I'd hope we'd keep doing it until it's an even playing field.
20:35Governor Mike Braun with us of Indiana right now.
20:38You mentioned blue state versus red state.
20:41One illustration of blue state versus red state that has been publicly reported, I'm curious
20:46what you can tell us about it, is the idea of the Chicago Bears NFL
20:51football team leaving the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois and moving to
20:56Indiana. What can you tell us about that?
20:59Do you expect it to happen?
21:01And what does it represent in your mind as the chief executive of the state
21:05of Indiana? Well, for Chicago Bears fans and Illinoisans especially, they need to think about
21:12the fact that the Bears have been trying to work with Pritzker and the mayor
21:18and the state legislature just recently.
21:22But for that to actually move forward to where you get the legislature involved, Pritzker
21:28and the mayor said we're not interested.
21:31And that started three years ago.
21:32So we started having contact with the Bears maybe five or six months ago because,
21:39to be honest, they were reaching a deadline to where they needed to do something
21:43or else it would run into issues for them to try.
21:47transition out of soldier's field.
21:49So I, you know, spent 37 years in the real world running a business and
21:54a good part of it was real estate.
21:56So the process was very familiar.
21:59But when you look at Indiana's context of regulation and taxes, I think they got
22:05a pretty good peek at it and they like what they see and we've made
22:08it easy. So when you saw the announcement from them and the fact that our
22:14legislature did the accommodating, that was coordinated to make sure that we were both as
22:21honest brokers moving forward to kind of a threshold point.
22:26Due diligence, a few I's to be dotted and T's to cross, which is typical
22:32in any real estate deal.
22:34That's about where we are and blaming on Pritzker and the mayor because they basically
22:39said we're not interested. So you expect, we're talking to Governor Mike Braun of Indiana,
22:44you expect for the Bears to play in Indiana in the years ahead?
22:49I don't ever want to get ahead of my own skis.
22:52I've been involved in enough real estate deals over the years where something can pop
22:58up. I would say this is the most significant point in a roughly four to
23:06five month conversation that has had a lot of due diligence done.
23:11And yes, unless there's something that would be kind of out of left field, you
23:16know, I think a month or two are left, you know, to kind of get
23:20this thing to where you'd ink it.
23:22But we've made a lot of progress.
23:26Now, your state has been on our radar, you know, we actually visited the great
23:30state of Indiana, not what was it, Clay, a couple months ago, I can't keep.
23:33Yeah, we were in Fort Wayne, great station up there, 100 year anniversary of that
23:37station. Yeah, we were in Wowo land up in Fort Wayne.
23:40And it was my third trip, I will have you know, Mr.
23:43Governor to the city of Fort Wayne.
23:45So I am I'm like getting my frequent Indiana miles in.
23:50But one thing we talked about when we were there and has gotten some national
23:54national media attention is the Indiana redistricting plan versus what you see in some other
24:02states that are a whole that are blue, as opposed to being quite red, as
24:05your state is. What is your sense as to why it went down the way
24:09that it did? There are some people who are pretty frustrated with Indiana Republicans in
24:13the statehouse. Well, I think in many places, you still got kind of enclaves of
24:19establishment republicanism that would have never been America first, probably didn't vote for me or
24:28Trump as outsiders. And I think they felt a little snooty and we're gonna make
24:34a, you know, die on that hill.
24:36And I think it was out of, um, kind of, uh, 80 % of conservative
24:43Republicans conservatives were for doing, uh, the mid decade redistricting.
24:50I mean, you look at, uh, Massachusetts, they've been gerrymandered, same size state, nine congressional
24:56districts for decades, New England, uh, same way.
25:00Uh, so there was a lot of unevenness out there.
25:05And these Republicans, about 10 of them in the Senate, there were another 10 that
25:10went with leadership because they probably feared a committee change or a chairmanship, not reappointed.
25:17Um, but it was a click of five to 10 that dug in and made
25:25Indiana the exception. Now, how this all pans out, whether we net any seats, when
25:30you look at, how our responsive California, Virginia, a few other places have been, but
25:37I still think the point of it, why would you, uh, stand against it when
25:43every other state has said it makes sense.
25:46And they've gerrymandered so much over the years.
25:49We've been slow footed. We're talking to the governor of Indiana, Mike Braun.
25:54Uh, is there any possibility that that could happen or is it dead in your
25:58mind, irrespective of what you're mentioning?
26:01Virginia is potentially going to make an aggressive move.
26:03Maryland may still do it.
26:05Is it dead in Indiana?
26:06Is the timing complete? Or do you think if other states act, it's potentially readdressable?
26:13Yeah, it basically is because the filing deadlines for candidacies, we've got one of the
26:16earliest primaries. And, uh, and there was a technicality on the margin of the vote,
26:23which I think the, uh, president pro tem of the Senate, uh, got it.
26:28I think one vote over the hump where you technically can't bring it back.
26:33So in our case, we could have netted out two seats.
26:37Uh, the one near Chicago has been turning redder and redder, uh, every round.
26:43But when it gets close, the national dams just pour a bunch of money in
26:47there. And then Marion County, which is basically Indianapolis has become a deep blue, like
26:54many, many big cities. Mr.
26:57Governor, before we let you go, um, got to put you on the hot seat.
27:01Uh, can't just go out with this policy stuff, sir.
27:04Uh, is the win by the Hoosiers in the national championship game, which I saw
27:11the single greatest college football game of all time?
27:15I think it would be because you've got to remember your sports aficionados there will
27:22probably know IU had the worst Division I record of any football program, and it's
27:28been a long one. And by going undefeated this year and only losing two before,
27:33we've only moved up to the second worst record.
27:36So that context, and to think that a guy like Cignetti slipped into a school
27:42like ours and the whole NIL portal system made it possible, which I didn't really
27:51like that. I'm kind of a traditionalist when it comes to it.
27:54All of that had to be aligning, and I think it's right up there with
27:59the Hoosiers movie. I think someday there will be a football film made that will
28:04be kind of the analog of it.
28:05And that's got to sink in for maybe a decade or so.
28:09I think 100 % it's going to be a football version of Hoosiers, and you
28:12guys have led the way on that one, too.
28:14It was a heck of a season.
28:15Buck was with me in Miami for the game against the Hurricanes.
28:18We appreciate the time, Governor.
28:19Thanks for coming on. Good luck with getting that Chicago Bears deal officially hammered out.
28:24Well, if that actually hits fruition, maybe we'll do a debrief on it.
28:30100%. You reach out to us when you're ready to officially say, hey, it's a
28:33done deal. Okay, good deal.
28:35Enjoyed it. Thank you, Governor.
28:37Wait, Clay, so would they be the Indiana Bears?
28:41Is that just how it would go?
28:42Or would it be the Indianapolis Bears?
28:44How does this work? Well, the Indianapolis Colts, they're not going to give up the
28:49Indianapolis. They would still be the Chicago Bears.
28:52They would just play in Indiana.
28:54Sorry, I forgot about the Colts thing.
28:56Let's just erase that from the record.
28:58But I'm just saying, to the people from New York.
29:01They can't be the Chicago Bears playing in Indiana, though, Clay.
29:03Well, the New York Jets and the New York Giants are both playing in New
29:07Jersey. So some would point out that.
29:10Yeah, but New Jersey is like our close cousin.
29:12It's like a very, you know, I don't know if Illinois and Indiana are thought
29:16of the same way. An incredible indictment of Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, and
29:21J .B. Pritzker, the governor of Chicago.
29:23The Bears are an indelible part of the Chicago's landscapes.
29:28Soldier Field is right there on the lake in downtown Chicago.
29:33And so the idea that they can't figure out how to get a new stadium
29:37built is, frankly, just yet more evidence of the fact that people of Chicago have
29:43made awful choices for their leadership.
29:45And they deserve better. But unfortunately, this is what they're choosing to represent them.
29:49And there are consequences. And so I think this is a great red state versus
29:52blue state example of being able to get things done versus tripping all over yourself
29:58and looking moronic. All very good points.
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31:50The president of the United States has just ended his press conference and walked out
31:54discussing all of the impacts of today's Supreme Court ruling on tariffs.
31:59If you did not hear six to three, we'll get into this more some this
32:04hour. The Supreme Court ruled that President Trump did not have the authority to implement
32:10the tariffs as he had done under the existing legislation.
32:14But they did not tell us what should happen with the tariffs that have been
32:17collected so far. They also, in the dissent, Brett Kavanaugh specifically said, hey, we think
32:23he does have the authority if he puts it under this legislation.
32:28Instead, the president has now said he will be doing that.
32:32Again, I'll put my lawyer hat on and discuss some of this going forward with
32:37all of you. But a lot of details coming out there.
32:41We are joined now, though.
32:43by a woman that I'm excited to have on the program who wrote a really
32:49powerful op -ed in the Wall Street Journal last week detailing what her life was
32:55like as she got caught in the gender transition medical system.
33:02Beginning at the age of 11, she decided that she was under the tutelage of
33:08a lot of different people.
33:09I want to hear her story in detail, that she was a girl in a
33:13boy's body, began to receive treatments for that, and then as she got older, came
33:19to regret that immensely. And her name is Soren Aldaco.
33:23She is with us right now.
33:25Soren, I appreciate you writing the op -ed that you did in the Wall Street
33:29Journal, and I appreciate you coming on with us right now.
33:32So I just want to give you an opportunity to tell your story.
33:35I believe, according to what I've heard, you started receiving treatments around the age of
33:4311. Tell us how that happened and what your experience was like in the gender
33:50reassignment world. Yeah, thanks for having me.
33:55Well, at age 11, I was actually kind of doing all of this on my
33:59own. And I was on the Internet, in all different corners of the Internet, from
34:03chat rooms to online art forums.
34:06And unfortunately, I got into some pretty dark corners where I was groomed.
34:12So already going through something that kids struggle with generally, right, puberty, I have this
34:17added trauma on top of that, this thing that made me feel scared in my
34:21body. And when I was speaking to some of those girls on the art forum,
34:25I discovered transgender identity as a manifestation almost of the role -playing that we were
34:30doing, this idea that I could adopt a new name and a new appearance and
34:35almost be like the characters that we would create.
34:38So that was eventually affirmed around age 15 when I met my dad and my
34:42stepmom for the first time.
34:43I went inpatient, actually, after having a fight with my stepdad.
34:48And it was inpatient that a psychiatrist pressured me to come out to him as
34:52transgender and then told my family that actually my distress had nothing to do with
34:58my home life, my turbulent home life, but in fact, it was because I was
35:02transgender. So fast forward two years after that, I met a nurse practitioner through a
35:09support group that my dad and my stepmom were taking me to.
35:11He prescribed me testosterone without my mom's consent after just 30 minutes.
35:17And by age 19, I had a double mastectomy that I would have massive, massive
35:21complications from. Okay. Thank you.
35:24That is a big picture.
35:25I want to dial back in, if we can, to some of these details.
35:29And again, thank you for coming on and telling us this story.
35:32So 11 years old, you are getting on the Internet.
35:35I assume these are chat rooms of some sort.
35:38And what was your initial draw on the Internet?
35:41Where did you enter? Because I think this is important for a lot of parents
35:44and grandparents. You didn't initially enter into the idea that you were trans.
35:49You were an unhappy 11 -year -old, it sounds like.
35:52You go on the Internet.
35:53Where did you go? What sort of chat rooms, what sort of Internet sites were
35:57you on where people found you and started to try to address your unhappiness and
36:03potentially give you a solution for it?
36:05How did that happen? How did that happen?
36:36Through fandoms, through these TV shows and comic books, et cetera, that we liked.
36:41So this had nothing to do, in theory, with gender in any way.
36:45You're going on into these, I guess if it's through your Nintendo handheld device, a
36:50lot of kids are on there.
36:51And then people start to interact with you and you start to make friends online
36:55and they start to push you in the direction of embracing this idea that you
37:00might be a boy in a girl's body?
37:03That's correct. Okay. So you were profoundly unhappy.
37:09How old are you now, by the way?
37:11I'm 23. Okay. So you're 23.
37:15At 15, I want to go, I believe you said you went in to see
37:20a psychiatrist and you had at that point convinced yourself that one of the reasons
37:25you were unhappy through the conversations that you were having online, I would imagine were
37:30a part of this, was that you were in fact a boy in a girl's
37:33body. What is that like when you tell the psychiatrist that, what is that discussion
37:39like, quizzing, and for your parents, now that you can look back on it, what
37:44was it like for them?
37:46When I first spoke to the psychiatrist, he was mostly curious about why the name
37:51on my door was different from the name on my chart.
37:54I remember telling him, he had asked me, you know, when are you happy?
37:58When are, what are moments that you find happiness?
38:00And I told him about the summer camp I was going to at Duke University.
38:03It was like a gifted and talented summer camp.
38:06He spent three weeks with a bunch of other kids who had taken their SATs
38:10in seventh grade and scored.
38:10well. And I remember I'd go to this camp and all my needs were taken
38:15care of. I felt like I belonged for the first time.
38:17I was also being socially transitioned at this camp.
38:20All the faculty administrators were using my boy name and boy pronouns, as were the
38:25other children. And so I told him about this.
38:28And instead of recognizing that it was just, okay, you found other smart kids that
38:33you could get along with for the first time, you could be a kid for
38:35three weeks when I came from a hard home life, right?
38:38He saw the transgender part of it and ran with it.
38:40And essentially, um, like diagnosed me then and there.
38:44So he attributed your happiness, not to being in a comfortable, welcoming environment with other
38:50smart kids who were kind to you, but instead to the fact that they were
38:54telling you, you were a different gender.
38:56And so your happiness was connected to your gender, not to the environment that surrounded
39:01you. That's correct. Yeah. Because at home, my family just, they wouldn't have entertained that
39:06idea. They wouldn't have entertained the idea that I was a boy.
39:08And when they were told they were actually super shocked, uh, my mom and my
39:12stepdad who had raised me my entire life, they, they, they said to my dad
39:15and my stepmom, you know, we thought maybe she'd come to us saying she liked
39:19girls, but you know, the idea that I could be a boy trapped in a
39:21girl's body that wasn't even mainstream at the time.
39:24Okay. So 15, uh, he says, uh, the doctor, she says, the psychiatrist says, Hey,
39:30this is an issue. You are a boy trapped in a girl's body.
39:34At 17, you start to get testosterone.
39:36If I jotted down my notes correctly, uh, what kind of sign off is required
39:41for that? Cause you're still a minor at that time.
39:44There was no sign off required.
39:46There were maybe forms that we filled off or filled, filled out in the regular
39:50course of the doctor's questionnaires.
39:53But my mom, who was the only one on my birth certificate, the only one
39:57legally allowed to sign off on these things.
39:59She wasn't consulted whatsoever. So 17 years old, you're on testosterone, 19 years old.
40:06So just after you, uh, attain the age of majority, uh, you decide that you
40:11want to have top surgery.
40:12You want to have your breast removed.
40:14That seems like a hugely impactful decision.
40:18What was that process like?
40:19And for people out there who may not know what happened after that, what kind
40:24of surgery reaction, what does your body do when things like that occur?
40:30When I first wanted to get a mastectomy, I remember going into these Facebook groups
40:36where countless other, uh, young, young women were, were having mastectomies and posting their, their,
40:42uh, photos before and after of their surgeries, um, all identifying as transgender.
40:47And when I sought out a surgery team, it really was just, you give us
40:51this, this payment for the consultation and you come in and it's not even actually,
40:55you come in, you, you answer a phone call.
40:56In my case, talk to the surgeon for a few, basically confirm.
40:59Yeah, I want the surgery.
41:00And they send you a bunch of paperwork telling you what, what letters to get,
41:03what the letters need to say, and all these other details just around, um, getting
41:08insurance to cover it essentially.
41:10So it was pretty straightforward at that point.
41:12But when I had the surgery a week before was the first time I'd ever
41:15met the surgeon, it was a real, uh, cut and dry kind of, you know,
41:19Hey, we're having surgery next week.
41:20Make sure you don't smoke cigarettes, which I didn't even do at the time.
41:23That was about the only advice I was given.
41:26And then after this, no, I was just going to say your insurance pays for
41:31this. So your insurance pays for at the time, a healthy 19 year old girl
41:35to have her breasts removed.
41:38And basically you barely meet the doctor.
41:40You go in and you have this incredibly significant elective surgery with, it sounds like
41:47very minimal supervision associated with it.
41:51Yeah, exactly. And what's unfortunate is in the case of the surgeries that they give
41:55these young people who identify as trans in the case of these mastectomies, they're drainless,
42:00regular mastectomies have drains. The women stay overnight.
42:03In many cases, these, you know, I was sent, I was sent home the same
42:06day, uh, with, without drains and five days later went back for post -op.
42:10But by then I was, I was bruising significantly.
42:12I had blood pooling in my chest and in my sides and they didn't really
42:15seem to think it was a problem whatsoever.
42:17This seems like, and again, I don't know very much about it, but to have
42:21your breast removed as basically outpatient surgery for a healthy 19 year old, I mean,
42:27this sounds barbaric to me.
42:29Yeah, definitely. It's absurd in hindsight.
42:32And so when did you start to question the decisions that you had made and
42:37that the medical establishment had helped pull you along through?
42:41When did you start to say, Hey, was this the right decision?
42:43You're 19. I think you said you're 23.
42:45Now you're 19. At what point do you start thinking, Oh my goodness, have I
42:49made the right choice? Shortly after my surgery, when those complications continued to get worse,
42:56when the bruising continued to darken and I was told, you know, it'll get lighter
42:59with time. I tried reaching out to my surgery team on several different occasions and
43:03they were equally dismissive at each.
43:05I eventually ended up seeing breast oncology at a different hospital in the ER and
43:10it was there. They had to cut my scars back open, insert drains, and I
43:14had to drain my chest manually for the next couple of weeks.
43:17Around that point, I thought, okay, my original surgeons were real eager to take my
43:21money and do the initial surgery, but were nowhere to be found when it came
43:24to the follow -up care.
43:25I started following the money from there, realized just how profitable this industry is, that
43:29you can be a lifelong medical patient and end up, you know, affording these individuals,
43:33these doctors performing these procedures, millions of dollars.
43:36And I, I, alongside the Classes I was taking at the University of Texas at
43:41Austin, where I was learning about how important role models are to our concept of
43:44self and, you know, growing up to think of ourselves in a healthy manner, just
43:48realized, OK, there's a different way to be living my life.
43:51I can reclaim my life from this medical industry.
43:53And that process only took about six months.
43:55I was still 19 when I detransitioned.
43:58Can you come back and you stay with us?
44:00Because I want to ask about the lawsuit and make sure that you give an
44:03opportunity, because I'm hearing all this.
44:05And candidly, I think a lot of these doctors, not only should they lose their
44:09medical licenses, I think they should be charged with crimes because this is indefensible.
44:13Do you have a couple more minutes to spend with us?
44:16Absolutely. We've got her, Soren Aldeco.
44:20The op -ed that she wrote for The Wall Street Journal is linked at clayandbuck
44:24.com. I encourage moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas out there to read this because
44:28I think it's very important.
44:29And Soren's bravery in telling this story is also very important.
44:32We will come back here in a sec and find out more about this lawsuit,
44:36which I think could be incredibly important for so many other young people out there
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45:57Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
46:00We are talking with Soren Aldeco, who has shared bravely her story of her experience
46:06inside of the gender transition world.
46:09At 19 years old, she had a double mastectomy voluntarily because she believed she was
46:13a boy. 15 years old, met with a psychiatrist, initially became aware of the concept
46:20by going online at the age of 11, where she eventually found discussions surrounding these
46:25issues. It sounds like you're much happier now.
46:28You mentioned that you're at the University of Texas at Austin, great school.
46:31And you now have filed a lawsuit and you feel it is part of your
46:36role to speak out for other parents, grandparents and the kids out there that might
46:41be like you are at 11, 15, 17 years old.
46:44What's the status of the lawsuit?
46:47Well, just last week, the lawsuit was heard before the Supreme Court of Texas.
46:52They were looking at a pretty specific issue in my case having to do with
46:55the statute of limitations. So the timeline, I'm allowed to sue after the harm occurs.
47:00There was disagreement between us and the defendants on what the statute of limitations, when
47:05it starts. And we argue that it started in the case of my therapist when
47:10she wrote the letter for my mastectomy.
47:12They argue it didn't start until, or they argue, my apologies, they argue it started
47:18with the letter being authored.
47:19We argue it didn't start until the surgery occurred because harm didn't occur until the
47:24surgery and I couldn't have sued until then.
47:26So they're trying to argue there's no liability because of a statute of limitation issue,
47:31not because there was malpractice committed in your case, which I'm guessing is the ballpark
47:35argument here. Let me say this.
47:38Any legislatures that are out there and members of the legislature all over the country,
47:44you guys need to eliminate statute of limitation laws for these young kids who have
47:50these surgeries. Listen to me carefully on that because these lawsuits need to happen.
47:54Soren, I would imagine one of the goals here is if you hold these doctors
47:59and these hospitals accountable for what they did to you, they won't be able to
48:04do it to other young children.
48:06I assume that is, to a large extent, your goal.
48:09I'm definitely hoping that, yeah, they'll slow down and they'll think about how to actually
48:14help these kids because the surgery and the hormones that they gave me didn't do
48:19anything but make matters worse.
48:21How are you now? Well, I'm doing great.
48:25Not that I have the hormones and surgery to thank for that.
48:29Mostly, I just feel very resilient and emboldened.
48:32I was married last month.
48:33And so starting that life and moving forward, having something to look forward to, that's
48:38been great. Just admits the reality that the issues I experienced from medical transition are
48:44going to be lifelong. What do you wish you could say to 11 -year -old
48:48Soren, to 15 -year -old Soren, to 19 -year -old Soren?
48:53The easiest thing would be to get off your phone and go outside, not that
48:58she would have listened, but really just to try and be patient and get information
49:04from as many sources as possible.
49:06The thing I learned, I feel far too late, was you can learn a lot
49:09from the people you disagree with.
49:10And if you disagree with someone, right, you're either going to be more affirmed in
49:14what you already believe, you're going to have nuance added to it, or you're going
49:17to change your mind. And as long as you're pursuing truth, none of those are
49:20bad things. Well, we are, all of us in this audience, rooting for you, praying
49:25for you to continue to have great things happen in your life.
49:28Thank you for sharing your story.
49:29You can read it at The Wall Street Journal.
49:31And please keep us updated on what the Texas Supreme Court does.
49:35For sure, thanks. That is Soren Aldeco.
49:38When we come back, we'll dive back into the tariffs.
49:41I bet that a lot of you are going to want to react to her.
49:44800 -282 -2882. You can also use the talkback function.
49:49We're going to make sure that gets up on YouTube.
49:51So for those of you out there with kids or grandkids that you think might
49:54benefit from hearing that conversation, I think there are a lot of people that would
49:58be in that camp. More on this, more on tariffs.
50:01We'll finish off the final half hour of the week.
50:03Next, thanks for hanging out with us on The Clay and Buck Show.
50:07Speaking. Welcome back in. Clay, Travis, Buck, Sexton's show.
50:12A lot of you weighing in.
50:14And again, I would encourage you to go read Soren Aldeco's piece.
50:18There are going to be a lot, and I think it's incredibly sad, there are
50:24going to be a lot of people like her.
50:26And a lot of people that are on the flip side, having surgeries in different
50:31ways, that realize, oh man, I was just a really depressed kid in my teenage
50:39years, and I had all sorts of hormones going on.
50:42But I think the story that she shared is an important one.
50:45And if you didn't hear it, we're going to put it up on YouTube.
50:47I would encourage you, if you're just getting in your cars right now, go listen
50:51to it. Because I think a lot of parents, a lot of grandparents, a lot
50:55of teachers out there who are dealing with adolescents, age 11, unhappy kid goes online.
51:02Initially goes on, handheld Nintendo device she plays games on.
51:07Eventually that leads into people finding her online and saying, hey, maybe the reason you're
51:13unhappy is because you're actually a boy in a girl's body.
51:17Then goes off to, sounds like a really smart kid, goes to a Duke summer
51:22camp. People there believe they're doing the kind thing by saying, oh, you're a boy,
51:27we're going to start calling you by a different name, we're going to start calling
51:31you a boy. Goes to a psychiatrist at 15, psychiatrist says, oh, you're a boy.
51:38Start giving testosterone to her at 17 by 19.
51:44A doctor took her breasts off and sent her home in the same day.
51:51Voluntary breast removal surgery? Some of you out there that have had breast cancer and
51:57had to have mastectomies, as a result of that, think about how wild that is
52:04that you would allow a child, because a 19 -year -old is still a child
52:08in many ways, to have voluntary breast removal surgery and then send them home the
52:14same day? How about the fact that insurance dollars paid for that?
52:20And right now she's got a case in front of the Supreme Court that has
52:23to deal with a statute of limitations related issue, and I want to reiterate something
52:27that I think is really important.
52:28We've got members of state legislatures in all 50 states, I would wager, listening to
52:36us right now. From Alaska all the way to Florida, somebody in the state legislature
52:41in every 50 states is listening right here, and if it's not somebody who's a
52:45member, certainly staff are listening.
52:48Eliminate statutes of limitations on these medical malpractice suits, because the doctors are going to
52:56try to say, well, I believe Soren's 23 years old now, well, sorry, the statute
53:00of limitations told on our decision to take your boobs off.
53:05And so as a result, oh, our bad, there's no way for you to be
53:10able to sue on this.
53:11Well, think about your own childhood.
53:14How often when you were 15 or 16, by the time you were 25, did
53:20you think, I can't believe we did that?
53:22I can't believe I did that.
53:24I can't believe that me and my friends did that.
53:26I can't believe that we made the choices that we did.
53:29Oh, tough break. You've been sterilized.
53:32You can't have kids anymore.
53:33And the people who encouraged you to have these surgeries, the insurance companies that paid
53:39for it, the hospitals that okayed it, the doctors that signed off on it, oh,
53:44they're not responsible anymore. Nope.
53:47We need these doctors at a minimum held financially responsible for all these surgeries.
53:52I think they should lose their medical licenses.
53:55And I think that many of them should actually face criminal prosecution because they're making
54:01millions of dollars to destroy young bodies.
54:05It's barbaric. And I appreciate Soren telling her story with all of us and sharing
54:13that story in the Wall Street Journal because what do you hear all the time
54:17if you're a mom or you're a dad or you're a grandma or grandpa or
54:20you're a teacher, you're a preacher?
54:23They have really tried to emotionally manipulate people by saying, would you rather have, I
54:30guarantee you at some point, soren's family heard, would you?
54:34rather have a dead daughter or a live son the idea being if you don't
54:40allow these surgeries to happen your kid's going to commit suicide it's going to be
54:43your fault it's just it it is it is barbaric that we have allowed this
54:51to occur in any way and i think this is one where the plaintiff's lawyers
54:56out there i know we got plaintiff's listening this is one where the plaintiff's lawyers
55:01are going to be the good guys because it's going to take multi -million dollar
55:06verdicts we just saw one come out of new york for a lot of people
55:11to do what they know they should do but they're cowards to do it what
55:14do i mean by that there's a lot of uh bean counters that work in
55:19hospitals trying to get their eight percent increased profit margin every year and when they
55:26start to see insurance rates go up on these surgeries because the doctors are getting
55:31hit with huge medical malpractice bills a lot of them are going to start to
55:35do what we've seen happen all over the country they're going to start to say
55:39you know what i don't know if this hospital should do these kind of surgeries
55:42anymore it's not because they're making the moral choice it's because they're going to use
55:47the business side imperatives to dictate the choices that they make and they may know
55:52morally it's been in the wrong but they're afraid of being targeted by the trans
55:57community where they say oh my goodness insert hospital here doesn't allow top surgeries anymore
56:03for teenage girls they're they're the bad guy and they're afraid of losing their job
56:10and having themselves targeted so they can use the financial side as an excuse for
56:15why they should be making the choice that they're not morally brave enough to make
56:19plaintiff lawyers fire file these lawsuits members of the state legislature file bills eliminating statute
56:30of limitations for anyone who has so -called gender reassignment surgery allow these kids as
56:37they age into adults and realize what adults did to them to come back and
56:43hold the doctors the hospitals the insurance companies accountable for decisions that frankly they weren't
56:49old enough and mature enough to be able to make on their own and i
56:55think you're going to hear sadly way more people like soren coming out and speaking
56:59out and telling you about what happened to them a lot of people uh weighing
57:04in uh genie in syracuse new york what about uh genie what have you got
57:09for us good afternoon i feel that everyone that encountered this young woman is at
57:18fault and i totally agree with everything you just said because as an 83 old
57:25woman i still remember puberty and i remember at least five friends that went through
57:32different systems than i did we had to discuss it but in my age the
57:38nurse would send a note home to my mother and father and say i want
57:43to have your child be meet with the nurse with just women and discuss what
57:48they're going through as the 11 and 12 year olds i have not even heard
57:52a thing about lat now and it made a difference it explained why you have
57:57this feeling that feeling and no one listened except the mother to this young woman
58:03and they're all at fault the camp is at fault they didn't hear you say
58:07about that camp yeah well i mean thank you for the call genie and let
58:11me just say this tomboys are real there's a lot of you out there listening
58:16right now that when you were 10 11 12 years old you might have dressed
58:21like a boy you might have run around and played athletics with boys you might
58:25have felt more like you were a boy than a girl and then puberty happens
58:30and everybody's a little bit uncomfortable with their body when puberty happens boys and girls
58:34and instead of somebody saying hey you're gonna be okay like genie just said who's
58:4083 years old people had sanity back then now it is a form of toxic
58:45empathy and the camp is guilty too the camp thought that they were being kind
58:51they thought that they were helping a troubled child by telling her oh you're really
58:58a boy sometimes the best love is tough love adults sitting down kids and saying
59:07i know you feel this way right now you're wrong trust me on this and
59:13by the way what's the harm in saying if you still feel this way when
59:18you are 25 or 35 or 45 you have an entire life to change your
59:23body you don't need to do it when you're 15 or 17 you don't need
59:29to have your breast chopped off at 19 in elective surgery i just can't believe
59:34we're here at all uh kevin in san ramon california kevin what you got for
59:38us i love you guys and looking to get clay's book or uh buck's book
59:45but uh looking at the serious xm for three hours of that i hope that
59:49comes up soon and let me let me say sorry to cut you off kevin
59:53we are only on channel 123 first two hours so it's not your serious that's
59:58wrong if you're reaching out serious xm the third Third hour is being added soon
1:00:03on Channel 123. First two hours are there.
1:00:07If you're listening and then you're like, wait, what happened?
1:00:09I promise the third hour is coming soon.
1:00:12Sorry to cut you off, Kevin, but we've gotten some questions about that, and I
1:00:14wanted to make sure that I mentioned it.
1:00:17Thank you. I think that was Kevin calling in.
1:00:23I hope he gets Buck's book.
1:00:24Buck had to duck out.
1:00:25He's doing promotion everywhere for that book.
1:00:27Frank in Fort Myers, Florida.
1:00:29Frank, thanks for calling. Thanks for taking my call.
1:00:33I love your show. Listen, I'm sorry.
1:00:36I disagree with you with the doctors and the hospitals being accountable.
1:00:38What about the accountability of the parents?
1:00:41Offensive. And surgery. Okay, let me ask you a question.
1:00:46Hold on. Let me ask you a question, Frank.
1:00:49And I want you to think about this as if you're a mom or dad.
1:00:52I'm a dad. If a doctor sits down with you and your kid is incredibly
1:00:58troubled and you're taking him to a psychiatrist, you're taking him to a psychologist, you're
1:01:03taking him to all different sorts of doctors, and they say to you, if your
1:01:07daughter doesn't have this surgery, she's going to kill herself.
1:01:11This is medically necessary, in my opinion.
1:01:15I don't think it's the parents that are the villains here.
1:01:18I agree with you. I wish that more.
1:01:20That's why I want to have this conversation.
1:01:21I wish that more parents would push back.
1:01:24But a lot of us, parents, grandparents, teachers, have been taught deferred to doctors on
1:01:30medical judgment when a doctor who has gone to school for seven years is saying,
1:01:36in my professional opinion, your son or daughter needs this surgery.
1:01:40I think it's hard for most parents to say, particularly when they're being emotionally manipulated,
1:01:45and they're saying your kid's going to kill themselves unless we do this surgery.
1:01:50I think it's hard to blame the parents.
1:01:53Yeah, I think that's a bit extreme.
1:01:55I still, they should have taken to another doctor then.
1:01:59I disagree with that. I do believe that the parents are at 100 % fall
1:02:04here for allowing this to go through.
1:02:05Okay, let me ask you this.
1:02:06Let me ask you, hold on, Frank, let me ask you this.
1:02:08Go ahead. What if instead of Soren saying, I think I'm a boy in a
1:02:11girl's body, she had said, I think I'm a pirate, and I need to have
1:02:17my leg chopped off because I want a peg leg, and I want you to
1:02:21also take one of my eyes because I want to wear an eye patch, and
1:02:25a doctor said, you know what?
1:02:26I think you are a pirate.
1:02:28We should take your leg off and your eye off.
1:02:31Would you think that the doctor deserved no criticism?
1:02:35No, because the doctor's completely wrong.
1:02:37That's why I said, go to another doctor.
1:02:39Okay. It's really ridiculous. I appreciate you, but what if all the doctors, what if,
1:02:42thanks for the call, what if the medical establishment all had the same opinion, which
1:02:47they did until about a year ago, which is, this is medically necessary surgery, and
1:02:52what if they had fought so hard?
1:02:53Think about this. Insurance covered it.
1:02:58Insurance companies cover a 19 -year -old girl saying, I need to get my boobs
1:03:05chopped off? Now, not to get graphic with you, but insurance companies would not cover
1:03:12a 19 -year -old girl who went in and said, my boobs are not big
1:03:17enough. I need to have breast augmentation surgery.
1:03:22We got a whole rig job going on here, and by the way, you can
1:03:25have all different sorts of plastic surgery if that makes you happier, but unless it's
1:03:31medically necessary, it's not covered by insurance.
1:03:35So, this has been defined as medically necessary such that her breasts were removed, and
1:03:44the insurance company paid for it.
1:03:49Ben in Redding, California. Ben, what you got for us?
1:03:55I just wanted to call and confirm that, yes, you can be sent home after
1:04:01either breast surgery or breast removal that day.
1:04:07Yeah, I don't know a lot about this.
1:04:10Ben, did your, I think it says your wife had to have the surgery for
1:04:14breast cancer? Yeah, breast cancer, had breast removal, and it was like she, you know,
1:04:21there was a process to it, of course, but one day you end up going
1:04:26in and 45 minutes, hour later, you know, you're out of surgery, and then a
1:04:34few hours later, you're being sent home.
1:04:36Okay, well, let me, sorry to cut you off, but I, okay, that may well
1:04:41be true. It may depend on the type of surgery.
1:04:44What I would point out is your wife had breast cancer surgery because otherwise she
1:04:49might have died of breast cancer?
1:04:52Well, it depends. They had to remove it because of the style, the kind of
1:04:56breast cancer. Okay, so she had a serious medical condition that required her to have
1:05:00surgery to have her breast removed.
1:05:02She wasn't 19 years old and deciding to have her breast removed voluntarily.
1:05:07And having seen that surgery...
1:05:09Right, what I'm confirming is, yeah, what I'm confirming is they do send you home.
1:05:13Okay, but having seen that surgery, okay, I appreciate that.
1:05:16But having seen that surgery, what would you think if you found that 19 -year
1:05:20-olds were voluntarily having their breasts removed?
1:05:24It's horrible because I can also tell you that my daughter's best friend had it
1:05:29done. All right. Thank you very much.
1:05:29yeah and and she cannot understand why uh her best friend did that uh also
1:05:36you know that that person moved uh moved north from california to oregon and and
1:05:40i don't know if some other things happened up there because oregon is kind of
1:05:43a funky state regarding well thank you for the call i've got to hit a
1:05:47break here but thank you for the call uh about that call i don't know
1:05:50necessarily how long people stay in surgery uh stay in hospitals after surgery the big
1:05:55issue here is the surgery shouldn't exist it should not be done for anybody look
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