Furious World Leaders Freeze Out Trump On World Stage
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0:30Donald Trump got torn to shreds at the Munich Security Conference.
0:35I think the superstar of this conference was the European Union Foreign Affairs Chief, Kaha
0:41Kalas. She was getting just jab after jab, knockout punch after knockout punch in Donald
0:47Trump. She's like, do not lecture us about free speech.
0:52I don't need to hear that from the United States, which is like 58th on
0:57the list of countries that are free.
1:00Like, you don't lecture the EU.
1:02Here, watch this. Let's play it.
1:04You know, coming from a country that is number two in the press freedom index,
1:10hearing criticism regarding press freedom, coming from a country that is 58 on this list.
1:16It's interesting. And then she says, let's be very clear what we're going to be
1:22doing in the European Union.
1:24We're going to be supporting Ukraine.
1:26If Trump and the U .S.
1:28is doing whatever the heck it's doing and supporting Russia, we're standing firm.
1:33Here, play this clip. How I see it is very simple.
1:37Russia's maximalist demands cannot be met with minimalist response.
1:43Think about it. If Ukraine's military is to be limited in size, Russia should be
1:49too. Where Russia has caused damage in Ukraine, Russia should pay.
1:55No amnesty for war crimes.
1:57Return of the Ukrainian deported children.
2:01This is really the very least Russia should agree if peace is Russia's goal.
2:08Then you got to hear from Denmark's prime minister, Mehta Fredriksen, and she's drawing clear,
2:14bright lines, clear red lines.
2:17Look, you're going to go after NATO nations?
2:19Say goodbye to NATO. Enough is enough.
2:22Stop this crap. Say goodbye to NATO.
2:24Here, play this clip. Talking about defense, how likely is it that you're going to
2:28have to defend Greenland? So nice to be on stage with you.
2:37Thank you. And nice to be with my allies and my friends and my partners.
2:43Well, let me put it this way.
2:45I mean, if one NATO country attacks another NATO country, then NATO ends.
2:50It's game over. Then it's game over.
2:52So I hope I answer your question.
2:54Yeah. These women leaders at this Munich security conference were crushing it.
3:01That's why we need more women leaders of countries out there.
3:04Also, you have Polish Prime Minister Tusk was mocking Donald Trump's desire for Nobel Peace
3:12Prizes. Trump's like, he's like, it's like, I'm not really sure the Nobel Peace Prize
3:17is is going to even be enough right now.
3:20Here, play this clip. When it comes to this special award for the Ukrainian nation,
3:25frankly speaking, for Ukraine, there's no price, you know, good enough price, I think.
3:35Even the Nobel Peace Prize will be not enough.
3:38I'm absolutely sure that you deserve something more.
3:43And, you know, just one remark.
3:47Some say that Ukraine should be grateful for everything.
3:54The truth is exactly the opposite.
3:57The rest of us should be grateful to Ukraine.
4:04And Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez was out there, I thought, very strong.
4:09Here's what he had to say.
4:11Let's play it. We need to stop Putin.
4:14We need to strengthen our deterrence capabilities.
4:18But let us do it in a coordinated and targeted way that we can control.
4:24Let's build a true European army, not in 10 years, but now.
4:29Spain will join with all the resources that are needed.
4:32Let's strengthen our multilateral system, reforming and empowering those institutions that, despite their flaws, have
4:40succeeded in maintaining peace in the West for decades.
4:44And also, let's invest in the values of solidarity, empathy and cooperation that have brought
4:51us this far. Because the rearmament that we most urgently need in the world is
4:57immoral. And Polish Foreign Minister Sikorsky says, look, if the U .S.
5:02is going to abandon Ukraine, we're not going anywhere.
5:05And if anything, we'll increase, we'll increase our role.
5:11But we ain't. going anywhere here play this clip europe what we should say is
5:15that if the u .s forces ukraine into an unfair deal we will continue with
5:23our commitment to ukraine and it is ukraine that will decide when to make a
5:29deal and then we will not be able to be ignored by putin because we
5:34will then become the main provider i want to bring in right now uh democratic
5:40senator mark warner over from virginia he sits as the uh vice chair basically the
5:49top democrat on the senate intelligence committee i want to speak with him he's in
5:56munich right now um and i want to talk to him about the munich conference
6:00and i want to speak with him as well about just all of the uh
6:04intelligence breaches that are taking place within the united states and how our intelligence agencies
6:11cannot be trusted i'll start by talking about what went on in fulton county because
6:15you've got you've got americans sending tulsi gabbard to take elect you know a look
6:22straight out of like uh like orban or putin you know sending her to to
6:27be there to seize 2020 voter data as part of you know unhinged conspiracies to
6:34try to rig the midterms here this is a this is a great interview and
6:37we go deep into foreign policy which you know i love especially with everything that
6:41went on in the munich conference here let's bring in that interview senator great to
6:45see you i want to talk i want to talk about what's going on right
6:48now as the as many suspect what a lot of this you know ice surge
6:54is about also um what we're seeing in fulton county you know with uh this
6:59affidavit of very curious propriety where they were able to raid uh the uh facilities
7:06where the 2020 ballots were being held you know it was a broader plan here
7:10as we approach the midterms trump's polling right now is in the gutter like the
7:15worst in history and he's doing what desperate despots do and he's starting to see
7:22you know he's saying things like you know i don't know about these midterms or
7:26you know i'm not i'm gonna think about putting ice around it and then you
7:30start to see these actions like unfolding and people are really worried i mean you
7:35sit on the intelligence committee you know you've got a great deal of perspective around
7:39here what do you make of all of this and how do we stop it
7:42well first of all ben you know um a year ago when people said hey
7:47warner do you think there's gonna be problems with the midterms i said no i
7:52i mean i didn't take it as seriously at that point and then all of
7:56a sudden you see trump come in and throw everything possible at the wall a
8:01year later i am you know more terrified than ever that this guy you can't
8:08get over the fact he lost in 2020 is terrified again with his name not
8:12on the ballot losing in 26 and i think we got to be on full
8:15guard and let's let me just take a two minutes and say what happened in
8:19fulton county first of all you know to go way back in history the last
8:24president that tried to mess this much in electoral process was richard nixon and after
8:28watergate there were all these rules regulations norms put in place that said you know
8:33the president shouldn't be involved in domestic uh activities he shouldn't be involved in criminal
8:38activities of the department of justice our intelligence services ought to be outward looking and
8:44not inward looking at americans so we put a whole bunch of rules and laws
8:48in place almost all of those are being violated let's let's talk about the first
8:53one which i think folks haven't really focused on that much how in the hell
8:57did donald trump even know that this search warrant was going to be issued you
9:04know that's not appropriate for a president to intervene in department of justice we all
9:08know this you know pam bondi is the opposite of department of justice but there's
9:12foul number one foul number two he then calls tulsi gabbard tulsi gabbard is the
9:20director of national intelligence she has no responsibility at all for you know election security
9:27other than trying to prevent foreigners from interfering in our elections and she sure as
9:33hell doesn't care about that because she has helped oversee the dismantling of all of
9:38the election security form line influence centers at her office at the fbi they've cut
9:44the cyber security agency by a third on election security so here's somebody who then
9:50comes down shows up creeping around uh this effort to pick up these court records
9:55kind of furtively wearing a hat kind of looking like she's you know super spy
10:00and she then says oh i got asked by the president then the president throws
10:06her under the bus and says no he didn't ask her and she's scrambling she
10:10then says well i've got this statutory authority which by the way is only outward
10:15facing we finally get the the underlying um uh request for the search warrant opened
10:24and you're right man it's some crazy guy ken oden who is a election denier
10:30he's already been sanctioned by the courts from his malfeasance in 2020 and now he's
10:36been brought in somehow in this this mission this mission serious position inside the intelligence
10:41community to go out and try to go after folks or try to try to
10:47recreate the 2020 election scam or misinformation.
10:52I mean, remember, this was the kind of guy who thought about Italian satellites and
10:57Venezuelans and, you know, Iranians.
11:00It was, it was, it has been totally debunked.
11:04So you have this kind of, I think they've got egg on their face right
11:07now about how inept that was.
11:09And then to make matters worse with Gabbard, you know, she also went down to
11:13Puerto Rico and grabbed election machines, never told her oversight committee, never told the gang
11:19of eight, which is the highest group that's supposed to look at this stuff.
11:23So we've, we have this rogue effort going around trying to spread, I believe, misinformation.
11:30The second piece, and I'll be brief and then happy for any follow -up is
11:34we got the issue around these roving ICE patrols.
11:38Um, I absolutely believe in the ICE reforms, you got to say ICE can't show
11:44up at polling stations. Obviously it doesn't take much to intimidate or get Americans not
11:50to vote. And I will get pushback from the MAGA crowd saying, well, Warner, why
11:54do you care if ICE is showing up?
11:55If you are a, a registered, you know, voter and an American citizen, you have
12:00to worry about that bullshit.
12:01We do know ICE discriminates hugely, particularly against Latinos.
12:07We know that as well, that there are many families that may have some people
12:11legal, some people undocumented, but even more importantly, ICE is starting to collect information, personal
12:19information about American citizens. There was a person in Minnesota, she was up for a
12:26global entry pass. DHS denied her that pass because she showed up at a protest.
12:32So the hypothetical I gave is if ICE knows Ben that you have an unpaid
12:36parking ticket and they know your name and they know your face from some of
12:40this technology data sweeps. Are you going to go out and vote if there might
12:45be the possibility of an ICE person there?
12:48You're just not going to put up with a hassle.
12:50So we have this effort to try to potentially spread misinformation or regurgitate these old
12:57theories. We have the potential threat of ICE doesn't even have to show up, but
13:02the idea of a threat of there that I believe will intimidate voters.
13:05And I think I'm going through right now with election experts, what are the other
13:09things we've got to be on guard for, because I think this is a real
13:15threat, unlike anything in the past.
13:18In the past, we've mostly seen foreign interference.
13:20And I think the foreign interference, particularly the Russians, could amplify the bad stuff.
13:24But my bigger fear now is domestic interference, some of that potentially originating inside the
13:29administration. Look, I think what you just said coming from any senator would be concerning,
13:35but especially your role as the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee and sitting
13:41on the Gang of Eight and seeing, or at least in the past when presidents
13:46would show things to the Gang of Eight, you know, you have rare access to
13:51this type of data and this type of information and to assess threats from a
13:57place of a very kind of, you know, you know, sober, you know, you know,
14:02top -level analysis. And you're seeing, you know, you're seeing this, I guess, more broadly
14:06sitting on the Gang of Eight and being a part of this group.
14:11You know, I know obviously there's much you can share.
14:14That's the purpose of the Gang of Eight.
14:16But also, this Trump regime is not sharing things with the Gang of Eight anymore.
14:20And often you're learning about things on the news where you would normally be briefed.
14:28How has it changed the Gang of Eight process, you know, with Trump versus in
14:34the past in terms of just getting the basic information that's needed?
14:38Because this was supposed to be a bipartisan thing when it comes to national intelligence.
14:43Well, a case in point was, you know, Gabbard going after the voting machines in
14:50Puerto Rico. If there was a foreign nexus, it is not her choice.
14:55It is her legal duty to report that to the Intelligence Committee or her Oversight
15:00Committee. The good news, if there is any good news, is that they have been
15:07so outrageous and kind of blowing off that, for example, on this whole other issue,
15:14which we've not talked about yet about the whistleblower, there was a whistleblower, which I
15:18can't talk about the substance of the complaint.
15:20It was greatly redacted by the time we finally saw it.
15:23The whistleblower brought a complaint in May.
15:28She knew about it and was briefed on it in June.
15:32It gets pretty technical about, you know, when her obligation to report it to us
15:36would be and the legal guidance in terms of how the whistleblower would talk to
15:41us. But you cut out all through the details.
15:44We didn't find out about it, the Gang of Eight, until November.
15:47We didn't get the document until February.
15:51And on that case, every one of the Gang of Eight, including Johnson, including Thune
15:56and Tom Cotton, we all said, this is bullshit.
15:59You can't do it this way.
16:00So there are still times when we're seeing the excesses get called into question.
16:08but I'm, I, maybe it's the most kind of personally disappointing thing I've seen in
16:14my whole time in the Senate, and I've been here for a while, is I
16:17thought around national security, the bipartisan group would hold.
16:23And it's not as much.
16:25And as you said, I'm, you know, I get criticized a lot by Democrats because
16:28I've been too bipartisan because I'm, you know, I'm, I try to take this job
16:32in a sober and serious manner.
16:34But when I'm starting to freak out, and I am now, and I'm trying to
16:39put together a much more organized plan on how we fight back.
16:45But it's, it's so weird, Ben.
16:47It's like, you know, in the past, we had, we spent a lot of time
16:52trying to get state and local electorate, electing groups to take the, for example, the
16:58cyber protections, it's called the Albert system that CISA, the cyber infrastructure security agency would
17:04put in place. Now, state and local electors, I'm trying to say, well, I'm not
17:09sure you should talk to CISA, because I'm not sure they're going to come in
17:13with clean hands. That is, that's a stunning statement.
17:19You know, it reminds me of, you know, I teach law over at USC, and
17:23I would normally recommend whether it was a Republican administration, or a Democratic administration, perhaps
17:30even the very first Trump administration working at the Department of Justice, I would always
17:37say, it's such an honorable profession to work at the DOJ.
17:40It puts you on a career path to become a judge, or you could work
17:44in a big firm. And I have to look at the law students in the
17:48eyes. And I have to say, I want to work at the DOJ.
17:52And I don't want you to think that I'm coming at this from a partisan
17:54lens, like they're out there getting sanctioned.
17:58Pam Bondi's testimony was one of the most disgraceful things, just setting aside politics of
18:05just leadership and, and human behavior.
18:08I've never seen anything. And there's just some things, though, that because the media gamifies
18:15politics and talks about things, Democrats, Republicans, and independents, we often don't take a step
18:21back and just look at things like, that was just awful, like objectively.
18:26And so, I mean, as you were watching that, if you've seen the clips from
18:29that here, you've seen her testify before the Senate.
18:32So, you know, she comes with a burn book, and she starts yelling at people.
18:36What I saw there was like, in any context, humiliating and atrocious.
18:42Amen. And you know, and she was awful.
18:47But why? But also, we got to take into consideration, and this ties into election
18:53security, but it is at a more macro level.
18:57The one thing that happened, particularly post 9 -11, and again, back to Nixon times
19:03was, you know, the intelligence community has got to speak truth to power, even if
19:08whoever's president doesn't want to hear it.
19:11And just as you're not encouraging your law students to go to DOJ, could anybody
19:15really encourage the young college grad to go work at the CIA right now?
19:19It takes a long time to get a security clearance, and then are you going
19:23to have your analysis work corrupted?
19:27And we have seen this, Ben, that senior people in what's called one of the
19:32National Intelligence Councils got fired early in this administration, because their analysis of the bad,
19:39bad gang in Venezuela, Trindal Agua, they were a bad gang.
19:44Maduro was a bad guy.
19:45But the president wanted a certain finding, and they said it wasn't true.
19:50So they got fired. Or the case of the poor general who was in head
19:54of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who rightfully said, our bombing of the Iranian reactors was
20:00really, really good. But he didn't use the term totally obliterated, because it was not
20:06true. Because Iran is already trying to reconstitute.
20:09He got fired. Or the head of general that was head of the NSA, three
20:14star general, incredible Tim Hawk, incredible reputation under Democrats, Republicans, got fired because of that
20:21lunatic, Laura Loomer, went after him online.
20:25If we are corrupting our intelligence product to meet the will of this president, or
20:32if people are holding back from telling the truth, this country is less safe.
20:37And again, don't take my word for it on this.
20:39The fact that some of our allies are not willing to share the same level
20:44of intelligence with us, because they're not sure it will be kept secure.
20:48Remember, Signalgate, what seemed like a long, long time ago, that was just a tip
20:53of other malfeasance. This is making America less safe.
20:57That's where I was going to go, because that doesn't get enough attention, how our
21:02allies view us in terms of intelligence sharing, whether it's Canada, Europe, elsewhere, Australia.
21:12Obviously, there's some aspects of it that you may not be able to share.
21:15But you know, people don't talk about this enough.
21:18Like, how bad is it getting out there internationally in terms of, you know, nations
21:25not trusting us? Because what I find interesting is, you know, you'll have Donald Trump
21:30say all of these things that are horrible and horrific about NATO.
21:34He'll praise Putin. He'll say all of these things that would seem to at its
21:39core totally undermine NATO in a way that you think, how the heck, why would
21:44they give this guy information?
21:46And then I'll hear the top commander of the U .S.
21:51for Europe say the normal things you'd expect the person to be saying in NATO
21:55and have this and almost pretend that Trump never said those things.
21:59But I have to. But I always think when I report on that, there's no
22:03way they could be given us all this information anymore when he's out there having
22:08Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner meet in Miami hotels with Ushakov and Dmitriyov and talk
22:16about fake 12 trillion dollar deals to undermine Ukraine.
22:20Amen. And, you know, let me give you two examples.
22:24One is a number of the conversations I can't relate, but the Dutch who were,
22:31you know, they're not five eyes, not one of our key, key partners, but they
22:34are a very strong intelligence partner.
22:37They said the quiet part out loud in the Dutch press that they're not sharing
22:43as much as they used to because they're not sure of security.
22:48And that is awful. Now, you know, American intelligence is the best and all of
22:54our partners get a lot more from us than we get from them.
22:58So none of them are going to break off those relations.
23:01But if you look at the aggregate amount of information we get from all of
23:05our intelligence partners, in many cases, that's 50 percent of whatever item we're focused on.
23:12So, you know, you lose 10 percent from each of them and net, net to
23:17us, we are less safe.
23:19And an example of a tangible example that's just in the recent past.
23:24Remember, you know, literally it seems like it was a long time ago.
23:27It was only a few weeks ago when the Iranian people were out in force
23:30on the streets. And Trump said, don't worry, we got your back.
23:35And, you know, it might have been one of those teetering moments, not dissimilar to
23:38Assad, where they the awful regime in Iran might might have been able to be
23:44gotten rid of. But part of the reason he was not able to use American
23:49power, and it was a little debatable whether a strike would have worked or not
23:52worked. But we didn't have that capacity because the normal aircraft carrier that is there
23:57was off the coast of Venezuela.
23:59We got 20 percent of the fleet blockading Venezuela to stop the oil getting out.
24:03And the normal way that we would put more pressure on Iran would be to
24:09say to the Europeans who still got, you know, embassies there, hey, you guys got
24:13to ratchet up as well.
24:14There might be ways we can help the opposition.
24:17But our Europeans were all focused because it was exactly the same time when he
24:21was on this crazy rant about Greenland.
24:23They were sending troops to Greenland to make sure that NATO didn't blow up.
24:27So we are less strong against our adversaries.
24:32And I think we would all agree that a better government in Iran that actually
24:38reflected the Iranian people would be good.
24:40But we don't have the ability to use our full tools, cyber, kinetic, or also
24:45our allies if we're pissing on them at the very same time.
24:49Right. And then our allies or, you know, whether they still consider us allies, who
24:56knows? But like they're not even thinking about buying our military equipment anymore or they're
25:00putting pauses on some of this stuff, not because it's not the best equipment out
25:06there. But they're worried. Well, if we buy this is, I guess, Canada's review.
25:10Right. If we buy the F -35s, which is a better plane than the Gripen,
25:14you know, but we then have to go get the repairs.
25:17And are you a reliable ally that's going to be able to do this?
25:21Or are you going to say, you know, just like, you know, some of the
25:25those the missiles that go in the Patriot systems in Ukraine, if Trump goes, we
25:30got a shortage, we got a shortage.
25:32Right. And sometimes it just feels like it's a coincidental shortage, you know, and Denmark
25:38said, shit, we regret buying the F -35s now because of what you've just said
25:43to us. We would have rather bought the the the work.
25:46That's not a good. It's not a good deal for our country.
25:50And let me give you another quick example.
25:51You know, for 40 years under Democrats, Republicans, including Trump won.
25:56And by the way, in Trump won a lot of the election security protection things
26:00were actually done during Trump won.
26:02He had good people underneath him on that.
26:05But for 35, 40 years, we've been trying to move India away from Russia and
26:10China. I'm a big pro -India guy.
26:12I'm chair of the India caucus.
26:14We're making all this progress.
26:16And part of the way to kind of get India away from Russia is that
26:20exact thing. They bought a lot of Russian military equipment and they can't break off
26:24total relations within with Russia because they got to get the spare parts.
26:27But we're making all this huge project process.
26:31And then Trump freaking puts an extra 25 percent tariff on India just because he's
26:36pissed at Modi for not giving him enough credit when there was a settlement of
26:40the India -Pakistan conflict. And all of that progress was reversed and suddenly got Modi
26:46hand in hand with Putin and going over to see Xi and even the Indian
26:50diaspora here in our country is going, what happened?
26:53I thought we are like, this is the new best critical relationship.
26:57So I just pray that like my, this is the part again that just.
27:02It bums me out so much.
27:04I know a lot of my Republican senators love our country and want to get
27:07it protected, but their unwillingness to say this is wrong.
27:11You know, I'm going to go later today to the Munich Security Conference and try
27:14to reassure, you know, that we're not all completely out to lunch.
27:19But how do you, no matter what reassurance, and I tell you, my Republicans will
27:23say all the right things when we're the Europeans and others.
27:27But if they don't come back and vote the right way, you know, private conversations
27:32are at some point become bullshit if you're not willing to put your vote where
27:36you're, at least you say your heart is.
27:39Right. And before we go, talk about India for a second, just because it's just
27:44a microcosm or macrocosm of everything else.
27:46So Trump does all the, you know, starts, you know, trying to shake down India.
27:51Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the EU Commission, she goes and does the
27:55mother of all trade deals with Modi.
27:57Then Donald Trump gets jealous of that.
28:00And then he's like, oh, look, you know, they did a deal.
28:03So now all of a sudden, you know, we do supposedly a deal, except like
28:08the European one is like in writing and it's written.
28:10It's been negotiated over the course of decades.
28:13It's like a real thing, like on paper.
28:15And then Donald Trump does a tweet or a social media post, you know, with
28:20Modi. And he announces, well, guess what?
28:22India has agreed that it's no longer going to take, you know, Russian oil or
28:27whatever. And that gets reported here in the news as a thing, you know, and
28:31it's like, okay, so did you get that?
28:32Is that, is that a deal?
28:34Like, do we, do we have that on paper?
28:36And then we all just kind of move on, but it's not a thing.
28:40I think he made it up.
28:41I don't think Modi agreed to that.
28:43Frankly, I'm not even sure if we have a deal other than our kind of
28:47tariffs enforcement, just lowering the tariff rate to what it should, you know, it's still
28:52high, but what it should have been anyway, but there's nothing on paper.
28:55Same thing. I could go every country with that, but I think that's a perfect
28:58example. It is. And again, I mean, it's the most populous country in the world
29:02and they are still a democracy.
29:04You know, that is a, that's a strategic and cultural and long -term positive alignment.
29:10And for this to be played because Donald Trump's ego was upset that Modi didn't
29:16think he should win the Nobel prize.
29:18You can't make this up.
29:20You just can't make this up.
29:21And as you said, Ben, you could go through country after country.
29:24When, when Canada says they think China may be a long -term, more dependable partner,
29:30Canada, I'm a little biased.
29:33My grandparents came from Ontario, but you know, and I remember I would joke a
29:37year ago saying, can you imagine you're a senior CIA agent and the new administration
29:41comes in and said, we've got a new plan.
29:43Russia's our friend and Canada's the enemy.
29:46That's not a joke anymore.
29:48It's mind boggling. So we got to kick out.
29:51We have this, you know, politicians always say it's the worst time.
29:55We're not lying this time.
29:58If we don't turn out in record numbers, I'm, you know, I'm bipartisan, but I
30:04can't count on my Republican friends.
30:05We have to kick ass this year.
30:07Well, Senator Mark Warner will be following your speech and your work at the Munich
30:12conference. We'd love to have you back and, you know, talk more about foreign policy
30:17as, as well, because, you know, all of this stuff is connected.
30:21Foreign policy doesn't get enough attention.
30:23And, you know, and, and frankly, the, the work, the intelligence community is doing does
30:28not get enough attention either.
30:30So I'm glad we were able to talk about that and a great to have
30:32you on. Ben, thank you so much.
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