Hour 3 - Behind the Scenes at SCOTUS
4/14/202637 mincomplete
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0:06Hour number three. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
0:10We have got a bunch of different news stories that we are tracking for all
0:15of you. Reports that there may be yet another round of discussions in Pakistan between
0:22Iran and the United States.
0:25As we are talking with all of you.
0:28S &P 500 up substantially.
0:32Only about one half of a percent away.
0:36About 38 points in the S &P 500 from an all -time record high for
0:43stocks. The price of gas continuing to decline as I am looking at it right
0:51now. Crude oil futures down to $88 a barrel in real time.
0:57Down about 5 % today.
0:59The expectation of the blockade having a negative impact seems to have largely vanished.
1:08There are possible, like I just said, additional talks coming.
1:12And that is the latest as it pertains to Iran.
1:18Buck, anything that you would add on the Iran news?
1:22Again, stock market near record high.
1:24Price of oil and gas down substantially today.
1:27Now, to be fair, it's up about $20 -ish from before the war started in
1:35Iran. I think oil and gas prices, $66, $67 a barrel -ish.
1:40And they are at $88 right now.
1:42But down pretty substantially from the early days of the war.
1:48The reason why I mention markets in this respect is there seems to be a
1:52sense that things are calming down fairly substantially in the Gulf region.
1:58And if you're out there and you're thinking, okay, what does that mean for oil
2:02and gas prices to me, Clay?
2:04They got up to about $120.
2:06And now they're back down to $88.
2:09So they have fallen pretty precipitously from their peak during the course of this war.
2:18Yes, I think that we are seeing the Trump administration tallying what the Iranians have
2:27in terms of leverage and weaknesses.
2:30And what we have, or what Trump has on his side, bring to bear the
2:34full force and weight of the United States military and saying, if you guys want
2:38to turn this into a version of medieval siege warfare, we can do that.
2:42And that just turns into who has better preparations, who has more stuff, who can
2:49outlast the other, right? So that's where we are, I think.
2:53It's a bit of a waiting game with the pressures that are there.
2:56The things that could shake it up dramatically would be if we went in to
3:00take the uranium. That would be a big gamble, but that's something that may happen.
3:06Or if the Iranians decided, you know what, we're just going to blow up a
3:11tanker and see what happens.
3:12I don't see them doing that because it would cause such problems for them, too.
3:19But when someone is cornered, you never know what they're willing to do.
3:22And if we really have our foot on the jugular of the malacracy, they may
3:27react in a way that is hard to foresee and could be very drastic.
3:35So that's how I see it.
3:36I mean, J .D. Vance is saying, do you see this here?
3:40This is cut 13. He's talking about economic terrorism that Iran has engaged in, and
3:44he's like, we can play this game.
3:46Play 13. Here's the very interesting thing about all this is that the only thing
3:51the Iranians have been able to do, they haven't, of course, beaten us militarily.
3:54They've had their military been decimated.
3:56They haven't been able to prosecute the case when it comes to weapons of war.
4:01What they have done is engage in this act of economic terrorism against the entire
4:06world. They've basically threatened any ship that's moving through the Straits of Hormuz.
4:10Well, as the President of the United States showed, two can play at that game.
4:12And if the Iranians are going to try to engage in economic terrorism, we're going
4:16to abide by a simple principle that no Iranian ships are getting out either.
4:22This is what I mean by who can wait this out more, who can handle
4:26the pressure better. Now, I think that the thing that the Iranians have going for
4:31them or the regime has going for it is they view this as existential, and
4:35they're used to a lot of suffering and inflicting a lot of suffering as well
4:38as taking it themselves. We have a democracy.
4:42We have a republic, I know, but we have democratic elections, and therefore we have
4:47to think about the political pressures.
4:48But economically and militarily, Clay, it's checkmate on Iran.
4:53It is. And for those of you out there, and I get it because I
4:57filled up my car over the weekend, and price of oil and gas is up
5:03to around, on average, I always like to have fun with this, on average about
5:07$4 a gallon. And the overall price increases have effectively stopped.
5:15And again, I think you're going to start to see a dial back pretty significantly
5:22between now. and memorial day when prices are likely to go up again it's just
5:28me analyzing the larger marketplace because a lot more people go on the road they
5:32switch out the uh the type of oil and gas that is primarily sold uh
5:37so if you're out there and you are using the price of oil and gas
5:42as a proxy for how the economy is going um then i think you're going
5:47to start to see those prices come back down um based on what we are
5:52uh what we are seeing in the larger marketplace um okay so again stock market
5:58near record highs about one half of a percent off all -time highs if you
6:04had just not paid attention at all the stock prices and not paid attention at
6:09all to uh what's going on with iran and just done nothing at all different
6:13uh you would be in a good shape um and uh in the uh uh
6:19we will see what exactly ends up happening uh going forward but definitely the trend
6:24lines are positive i did want to play this buck um do we know uh
6:29producer ally let me know is the audio good enough now to play of the
6:33accuser at the press conference we played this earlier and some of you had a
6:38little bit of difficulty of hearing it i don't know what happened it was somewhat
6:42garbled uh let's see if that's true or not this is cut uh 33 this
6:50is the accuser lana drews of eric swalwell pause for a sec before we play
6:54that if you are just getting in your car uh there is a new accuser
6:59of eric swalwell and she has gone public she just had a press conference in
7:05beverly hills she alleges that he drugged and raped her this is a new allegation
7:11helps to explain why eric swalwell not only has dropped out of the governor's race
7:15as we discussed yesterday with steve hilton but also why he has decided to give
7:21up his congressional seat uh listen to that my delay in taking action against eric
7:26was driven by fear not doubt fear of his political power his background as an
7:33attorney and his family law enforcement ties all right so that was part of it
7:40here is a little bit longer version this is her saying i was drugged and
7:46raped uh in his hotel room cut 32 i had contact with eric swalwell on
7:52three separate occasions after meeting him socially he offered me connections to further my software
8:00company and i also had an interest in local politics he invited me to two
8:06public events i knew he was married at the time and that his wife was
8:11pregnant he was my friend on the third occasion i believe he drugged my drink
8:17i only had one glass of wine he we were supposed to go to a
8:23political event and he said he needed to get paperwork from his hotel room when
8:29i arrived at his hotel room i was already incapacitated and i couldn't move my
8:36arms or my body he raped me and he choked me and while he was
8:42choking me i lost consciousness and i thought i died i did not consent to
8:48any sexual activity okay uh buck now the fallout swalwell is done he may well
8:56face criminal charges again that is a new accuser different than what the san francisco
9:00chronicle reported and different than what cnn had previously reported um there is a video
9:07that is circulating of eric swalwell what appears to be making out with hooker with
9:13a hooker in uh it looks like a hotel room of some sort uh and
9:18senator rubin gallego from arizona who was best buds with eric swalwell uh and just
9:26endorsed him as recently as a couple of weeks ago to be the next governor
9:30of california now says that he had heard rumors but he's been misled there are
9:36people alleging that swalwell is actually accompanied by gallego in some of these videos including
9:45the one that has now gone viral well gallego was asked about this uh and
9:50uh greg producer greg pulled this he says he was not in the same room
9:55it's not not not an accusation you want to be responding to buck says he
9:59was not in the same room as swalwell making out with hookers this is cut
10:0536 is that you sitting next to him this is an example that lies no
10:09i was not sitting next to him i was not in the room i was
10:12nowhere i don't even know where it happened this is exactly i'm talking about chris
10:16la savita and a bunch of other right -wing political operatives are pushing this narrative
10:20that somehow i was in that room with uh eric swalwell and that is an
10:24absolute lie um okay so buck i think one of these uh conversations that is
10:31going to spread rapidly is a lot of people are now what we talked about
10:36before that journalists are okay doing propaganda until it starts to humiliate them until it
10:42starts to look bad for them to be the propagandist in the same way that
10:47everybody turned on joe biden almost immediately and said oh well you know it turns
10:52out he After the debate, I do wonder whether there's a little bit of running
10:56for cover now starting to happen on Capitol Hill, because as we've discussed, Swalwell's behavior
11:02was not a very well -kept secret, and a lot of people were endorsing and
11:07encouraging others to support him, and now you're starting to see the heat get shifted
11:12from Swalwell to sort of the downrange aspects of how did you allow this guy
11:19to stay in power and how did you protect him?
11:22All the Democrats care about is power.
11:25The Democrat Party cares about one thing and one thing only, that is to be
11:28in power. There is no ethical constraint.
11:30There is nothing that they view as more important than that, and you see this
11:35from the fact that people were even comfortable effectively coming forward to say, oh, I've
11:40known that Swalwell has been doing bad things, not as bad as the recent stuff
11:45necessarily, but that he was a, what's the, kind of a lascivious.
11:53You're breaking out a lot of good vocabulary here today.
11:55Thank you. You know, that he was, what's the word that people will use for
12:00like an old man? A lecherous.
12:02There we go. That's another good one.
12:03That he was like a lecherous, gross member of Congress.
12:08They were fine to come out and say, yeah, we all knew this, but, you
12:12know, we needed him. And he was really good on being, I'll notice something else
12:15about this. Notice how some of the people who are the most vocally anti -Trump,
12:22Avenatti, Swalwell, you see these people who are held up as heroes, and there are
12:26other names that I'm sure you're shouting out right now, held up as heroes for
12:28their anti -Trump -ness, and then it comes out that they're degenerate scumbags and in
12:32no position to be calling out anybody for the behavior that they are so offended
12:38by. Democrats are perfectly fine with this.
12:41They're fine with elevating, oh, Anthony Weiner, by the way, huge attack dog for the
12:45Democrats against any Republican. That was his job, to go on MSNBC and be kind
12:49of smug and snarky and attack, attack, attack.
12:53Can you imagine? This guy, you're sending photos of your genitalia to strangers on the
13:00Internet, and you think you should be lecturing Republicans on how bad they are on
13:05TV? But sure enough, you see this over and over again with these Democrats.
13:10They get absolutely, but by the way, Joe Biden, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, the whole
13:15thing. These people are attacking Republicans all the time.
13:18You're Hunter Biden. You think you're in a position to attack anyone for anything or
13:21Joe Biden for that matter?
13:22I agree with that. How about Swalwell was one of the foremost accusers on the
13:27Epstein files? Like, if you...
13:29And of Kavanaugh. Yeah, but, I mean, if you were engaged in behavior like this,
13:37as he has been alleged to be involved in, are you going to be the
13:41guy running around saying, can you believe Jeffrey Epstein was trading on relationships and being
13:47involved with lots of women?
13:49And I just, it is, to your point, Buck, either he is a, he's got
13:55a mental illness of an incredibly high level, or in his mind, he was, he
14:02had convinced himself that all of these acts were consensual, and he was just a
14:10paragon of virtue, at least in his relationships with women, even though, obviously, he's married
14:15and he's got multiple kids.
14:16And I just, this story is really kind of staggering.
14:21I don't know that we've ever seen a political collapse happen this quickly.
14:27And again, we've talked about it.
14:29Democrats, to me, at some point, basically ordered the code red on this guy.
14:34And he ran for president, nobody came after him, right?
14:38I mean, usually when you run for president, if there's dirty laundry, now maybe he
14:41was just such a far down the list of presidential candidates that nobody took him
14:46seriously. And maybe it's just that he was now the favorite in California, and that
14:51explains the code red suddenly happening.
14:53The guy's been in Congress for a long time to suddenly have all of this
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16:12Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
16:14Mike in Atlanta wants to weigh in on our conversation.
16:18What's going on, Mike? Mike.
16:20Hey guys, how you doing?
16:22We're great, man. How are you?
16:24Good. Just wanted to just comment about the Swalwell situation.
16:28I think there's just an epidemic sometimes with some of these people in Congress that
16:34think that they can walk on water, that they get drunk on their own sort
16:38of power, and they think they can do anything.
16:40If you go back in time, and I know you guys are a little bit
16:43younger, but you remember Gary Hart basically destroyed his whole campaign for president because he
16:51was taunting the media, and they found that he was sleeping with Donna Rice.
16:57And, you know, this is not necessarily a Democratic thing.
17:01It's both parties. But when you look at people like Swalwell, he was so in
17:06love with himself, he could walk on water.
17:09And it's like people like Michael Avenatti.
17:12They just do things that they know they can get away with because either somebody's
17:17shielding them or they can do whatever they want to do, but then all of
17:21a sudden time comes in and they have to sacrifice themselves.
17:27Thank you for the call.
17:28I just think the timing on this remains super fascinating to me.
17:33He's six weeks away from being as one of the two finalists for governor, and
17:39he already ran for president.
17:41He's been in Congress a long time.
17:43Nobody, I mean, pretend he didn't run for governor.
17:46Would anybody have come forward with any of these allegations?
17:49Could he have served in Congress for the rest of his life?
17:53Is it just that he was reaching for a higher office and finally Democrats decided
17:58they had to take him out?
18:00The whole story is very fascinating to me.
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18:57Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
19:01We're joined by Sarah Isger, host of the Advisory Opinions Podcast, editor of SCOTUS Blog,
19:08Clay's excited, author of the new book, Last Branch Standing, a potentially surprising, occasionally witty
19:15journey inside today's Supreme Court.
19:18She is in our New York studio.
19:20Sarah, great to have you on the program.
19:22Thanks for having me here, guys.
19:24Um, let's just get to, if I could, this court.
19:29What is so interesting about it to you right now?
19:32Why'd you write the book?
19:33Tell us some things about the Supreme Court.
19:35You write for SCOTUS Blog.
19:37That's where everyone goes to get their crib notes about what's happening.
19:39That's exactly right. We do live blogs for the oral arguments, for the opinion hand
19:44downs. And I wrote the book because basically every narrative we have about the Supreme
19:49Court is wrong. This idea that it's a 6 -3 partisan court, the idea that
19:54the court is, you know, the one that's left to decide all of our most
19:58important issues. I mean, let's just start with that one for a second.
20:01We're at the end of a hundred year failed experiment from the progressive era where,
20:08like, let's not have Congress do anything because those, you know, dumb, dumb representatives and
20:12the voters who put them there can't be trusted.
20:15We should instead have experts decide everything.
20:17Fast forward, Congress doesn't legislate anymore.
20:21The president is doing everything by executive power, regardless of which party they belong to.
20:26And so the Supreme Court is forced to play this role, you know, deciding what
20:32Congress meant by some old statute that the president cites.
20:35And instead of the headline saying, you know, Supreme Court strikes down Trump's tariffs or
20:40Supreme Court strikes down Biden's student loan debt forgiveness, the correct headline should say, Supreme
20:46Court says only Congress can do worldwide tariffs.
20:50Supreme Court says only Congress can do student loan debt forgiveness.
20:54But we're letting Congress off the hook and we're blaming the court.
20:58Sarah, I got a bunch.
21:00I love this. The Supreme Court, behind the scenes, everything else.
21:04Let me start with this one because I actually read the New York Times is
21:08now covering it. But the poly market says right now that Justice Alito is favored
21:15to step down this year, which would mean that we would have a Supreme Court
21:21vacancy sometime after this term ends in June.
21:25Do you buy it? Do you think it is likely?
21:29Do you think that President Trump will get an appointment?
21:32How would you read the tea leaves behind the scenes right now?
21:35So, I mean, it's basically 50 -50 at this point.
21:39The big thing that we have to go on is, one, Supreme Court justices tend
21:43to retire July 2nd, right before a midterm election, if they're sort of...
21:47of that age. On the other hand, Samuel Alito is actually relatively young for a
21:54Supreme Court justice who's considering retiring.
21:56He's got a book coming out in October, you know, books sell better if you're
22:00an active Supreme Court justice.
22:02So I don't know, I can argue it either way.
22:04What's fun is to look at who Trump would potentially appoint and whether they might
22:08be trying behind the scenes to make sure Justice Alito knows that if he retires,
22:13they will appoint, for instance, one of his former clerks like Fifth Circuit Judge Andy
22:19Oldham to take his spot.
22:21So, you know, don't worry, Your Honor, if you leave, your legacy will continue because
22:25we're going to pick someone from your clerk family.
22:28And in fact, three of the current justices are replaced to their bosses.
22:32The chief replaced the old chief, Justice Kavanaugh replaced Justice Kennedy and Justice Jackson replaced
22:38Justice Breyer. So that would be kind of in line with what we've seen recently.
22:42Okay. Drama. You were talking about the Supreme Court relationships.
22:48Does it buy, do you buy into the fact that Ketanji Brown Jackson is the
22:53least liked justice by her colleagues on the Supreme Court right now?
22:58And the reason why I would ask is you've seen Kagan really kind of take
23:03aim at her. Amy Coney Barrett, that's on the left.
23:05Amy Coney Barrett seems very, very nice.
23:08She seems like a mom in a pickup line very much of the time.
23:13And she has, I don't know, 15 kids or whatever the heck she has.
23:16So she's used to putting up with frustrations, I would imagine, as a mom.
23:21She just took a two by four to Ketanji Brown Jackson recently in her opinions.
23:26What's going on there? What do you think about the interpersonal dynamics?
23:31Yeah, I have little mini biographies of each of the justices in the book, what
23:35they like to binge watch, what shows they're into right now, Justice Kagan's poker game.
23:41And, you know, a way to think about the justices, there's no question, is ideology,
23:45right? Some justices are conservative, some are liberal, they're doing sort of different projects along
23:50that, you know, spectrum. But it doesn't really help you understand why, for instance, Justice
23:56Kavanaugh was more likely to agree with every other justice on the court, except Jackson,
24:02other than Justice Gorsuch, right?
24:03They're the same amount of conservatives.
24:04So why are they only together 50 % of the time last term?
24:08And the answer, and don't worry, I'm getting to the Justice Jackson part, is there's
24:13this other, you know, spectrum to think about the justices on.
24:16I like to think of it as institutionalism.
24:19And, you know, Justice Gorsuch is like, it's just me.
24:22All I do is tell you what I think of the case.
24:24That's my only job here.
24:26He writes a lot of concurrences because of that.
24:28Like, ah, here's my take.
24:30Justice Kavanaugh thinks of this as more of a middle school group project.
24:33We're all in this together.
24:35We speak with a single voice when possible.
24:37It's not about me. Justice Jackson and Justice Gorsuch are very similar in terms of
24:44being low institutionalists who see that, like, this is about what they think about the
24:50case. They don't have to think that much about what previous courts thought about precedent,
24:55for instance. So when Justice Jackson joins the court, she does a lot of things
25:01that are, um, unusual. Like, I forget exactly how many years it took for the
25:07chief justice, for instance, to write a solo dissent.
25:09About a decade. She wrote three her first year on the court.
25:14She's just not like a dues paying type of girl.
25:17And yeah, I think that can rub your colleagues the wrong way.
25:20But there's only nine of them.
25:22They take collegiality very seriously.
25:24As Justice Barrett has said, it's kind of like an arranged marriage for life.
25:29Um, and so I, you know, she talks, Justice Jackson talks the most adoral argument.
25:33She's writing these solo dissents.
25:35She's, you know, in these eight, one cases, like in the conversion therapy case, um,
25:40you know, Kagan and Sotomayor are with the conservatives.
25:43Nope. Jackson's off on her own.
25:45Yeah. I think that can tweak people.
25:49Speaking to Sarah, uh, Sarah Isger, and she has a book out, which you should
25:54all check out. Last branch standing, a potentially surprising, occasionally witty journey into just last
25:59branch standing. Go find that on Amazon.
26:00Go buy it. You can get the rest of the title when you buy the
26:02book. Um, so I'm glad you and Claire are having fun with all the legal
26:06nerd stuff, nerding it out on the legal stuff.
26:09Clay wants to talk to you about previous Supreme courts.
26:11You guys can do a whole podcast on that.
26:13I have to ask you something, which is I heard you were on the view
26:17today. What was that like?
26:20And what is the similarity between explaining the Supreme court and being on the view
26:24to explaining the Supreme court to a kindergarten class?
26:28So I will just tell you guys, I was so nervous about it.
26:32I've never been on the view before.
26:34Um, obviously, you know, I worked in the first Trump administration.
26:37I worked in, you know, on a gazillion Republican campaigns during my career.
26:42And I was just like, oh, this could go really, really poorly.
26:46But I have to say, I actually had a great time because I like introducing
26:51people to the Supreme court and the audience was like nodding along.
26:55And they were like, oh yeah, Congress isn't doing its job.
26:58It's like the one thing that unites Americans is that nobody like approves of Congress.
27:04They have like a 9 % approval rating and I'm dying to meet one of
27:07those 9%. If you know any, send them my way.
27:10Um, so it's fun to explain to people that like, Hey, you're being told this
27:13lie about the Supreme court.
27:15Let me explain. explain to you why that's not true and like who you should
27:18blame. And we all have control over that because Congress is the most representative branch.
27:23We get to vote on these guys every two years.
27:25So if they're not doing their job, blame them, vote them out.
27:28The Supreme Court is supposed to be counter majoritarian.
27:31They're supposed to be a lagging indicator of our politics.
27:34They're actually doing their job.
27:37OK, so we mentioned what the possibility might be going forward in terms of is
27:42Alito going to step down, Ketanji Brown -Jackson.
27:45We have a massive number, I would say, of significant cases still to be resolved
27:50between now and the end of the year.
27:52Birthright citizenship, the Voting Rights Act in particular, gerrymandering, whether it is allowed on a
27:58racial basis. What do you think in terms of super significant decisions that we will
28:05see? Will anything upset the proverbial apple cart in terms of between now and when
28:12the final opinions are released near the end of June?
28:16There's no question that that Voting Rights Act case that you're talking about just has
28:20loomed over this whole term.
28:22You know, we've had tariffs and we've had birthright citizenship.
28:26But for the justices themselves, the Voting Rights Act has kind of plagued them for
28:31years at this point. They keep having these cases come back.
28:34In this case, it's sort of funny.
28:36Funny isn't the right word.
28:37It's not like haha funny.
28:38But Louisiana draws their district and they get sued because they only have one majority
28:43minority district. So they're like, fine.
28:45So they draw a second majority minority district.
28:48Then they get sued by white voters who are like, you racially gerrymandered that second
28:53district. And Louisiana is like, so what are we supposed to do?
28:56Have one or have two?
28:58Because we get sued and we get found liable either way.
29:00So that's what the Supreme Court is having to decide.
29:03I personally am into sort of the some of the other statutory cases, if you
29:10will. So can Mississippi receive ballots five days after Election Day?
29:15Or did Congress say no to that?
29:17Because they said there's an Election Day.
29:19As they said in the oral argument, do you have to consummate the election on
29:24Election Day? That was people giggled in the courtroom.
29:26If you're curious, that is very much of a nerdy law joke that I would
29:31imagine would be very appealing to your average lawyer.
29:35Consummate. There's this other case about the remain in Mexico policy and the question of
29:40whether Congress allows the administration to prevent someone from getting to the southern border to
29:45ask for asylum. But to put this in bigger context, all the court is being
29:49asked to do in those cases is to say what Congress said in their statute.
29:54So what's supposed to happen in our system, if it were functioning correctly based on
29:59the Constitution, after the Supreme Court says one way or the other, it shouldn't actually
30:03matter because Congress the next day could amend their laws to fix it to whichever
30:09way they wanted it to say or what the people wanted it to be.
30:13But none of us believe that Congress will actually do that.
30:16So the Supreme Court becomes the last word.
30:20Then we blame the Supreme Court and then the Supreme Court becomes really important.
30:24It becomes the focus of our politics.
30:26But it's not responsive to us.
30:28It's supposed to be against these majorities.
30:30And as I said, like a lagging indicator of our politics.
30:34And so we've really got to put that pressure back on Congress and stop saying
30:38like, well, the Supreme Court said so.
30:39Toss our hands up. Nothing we can do.
30:41Like, no, no, no. Whether Mississippi can accept ballots is not a constitutional question.
30:45It's just up to Congress.
30:47That's it. All right. Go get the book.
30:52Last Branch Standing. Sarah, great to have you on the program.
30:56Thanks for being here with us.
30:57Thank you guys for having me.
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32:16Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
32:18So Clay wanted me to just jump into this because I just shared this.
32:21Sometimes I just have to let nuggets of wisdom fly on X, formerly Twitter.
32:26And one is, I just have to say to everybody, we all need to just
32:29accept this because I'm right, and this is obvious, and that is that the elastic
32:35waistband and drawstring for pants is the superior technology.
32:41All other... versions of keeping belts my gosh torture device preposterous buttons with a fly
32:50unacceptable you want drawstring and elastic waistband formal casual i don't care what it is
32:58that is what all pants should be clay the people are listening i wisdom has
33:03i don't think this is an awful take from you and i i just go
33:06back to remember there's something about mary where the guys go into prom and he
33:10catches his genital in the uh wow you just took us to a quite a
33:14place play yes well i'm just saying the zipper the zipper is very dangerous on
33:19the the the genital area every time you zip it up especially you're not paying
33:23attention you've had a few drinks guys go slow on the zip yes so and
33:27and i'm not a fan a lot of times of the button because the button
33:32can be a mess i'm very anti -belt um so and i'm saying belts are
33:37horrible but and people get you if you wear like a braided belt or a
33:41stretch belt look that looks so informal so i have to wear a piece of
33:45leather with no stretch in it whatsoever i'm sorry not all of us have like
33:49an eight pack when you sit down you tend to have a little bunching a
33:52little bunching around the middle just a little bit let's be honest everyone and so
33:56draw yes i think you're i think you're like if it were able to be
34:00designed now here is the only flaw when i saw this take i was thinking
34:03through it the only flaw of the draw string is occasionally the string comes all
34:09the way out you know what i'm talking about like if you draw the string
34:12and you try to then like you gotta we you know kind of get it
34:15back that's a that's why but that's why clay look this is not nom there
34:19are rules i would be willing to concede if we could just all agree we
34:25want we want elastic in the waistband with a button at a minimum you got
34:29to have the elastic because then you have the expand and contract reality of sitting
34:33and moving around it's much better the draw string is really just to sort of
34:37cinch it a little bit tighter yeah draw string i'm less it's really elastic waistband
34:41but this clay i have wool suits in my closet which i try to i
34:46guess i'll be wearing one on on thursday when we're doing an event i i
34:48try to avoid wearing them they are not comfortable okay oh i don't care what
34:53tailor i go to i don't care what size or anything else they are not
34:57comfortable my elastic waistband drawstring pants are superior and every but why do we guys
35:03why do we have to live a lie why do we have to pretend that
35:05we don't know that i'm right i will say this i am traveling as soon
35:11as the show is over tomorrow i'm in dc and then you and i are
35:14doing a charity event at mar -a -lago uh raising money uh hopefully very positive
35:20i'm all i was already thinking oh now i have to travel with a suit
35:25and i was already thinking this is just awful i uh i so i am
35:31very anti -suit in general i will say this do you sign on to my
35:34take and by the way all the talkbacks will have some fun with this tomorrow
35:37do you sign on to my take that the fork is infinitely superior to the
35:45uh to the chopsticks and i don't understand why in america when you go to
35:52a japanese restaurant or whatever the heck it is they don't just go fork it's
35:57better it's a better eating device than the chopstick well it's i think because people
36:04view it as a celebration of a foreign culture to try to chopstick well you
36:10know we're better than other countries that like everything pretty much so i get it
36:13but but you're if you're eating japanese food you're saying hey i like asian food
36:18delicacy whatever like you like the food the fork is a better method to get
36:23food to your mouth than chopsticks or any other designed implement in the history of
36:29mankind it shouldn't just be japanese restaurants where we take off our shoes when we
36:34go inside your shoes are filthy why should you sit there with your shoes on
36:39we should all be able to go shoeless in the restaurant this is why i
36:42wear flip -flops i'm always comfortable that is true he wears flip -flops all the
36:47time it is as much as i can let me tell you go look for
36:50go look for elastic waistband pants you can get some that'll go with a sport
36:55jacket trust me this is an iheart podcast guaranteed human