Hour 2 - Saint Patrick's Day
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0:37St. Patrick's Day edition. I'd say hello to all of our Boston -area listeners, but
0:45you're probably four Guinnesses deep already and dressed like a little leprechaun and running around
0:53the streets of Southie having a great time.
0:55So you're not listening necessarily to the show, but I'm sure the St.
0:59Patrick's Day parade in New York is going to be quite an affair.
1:07That's really the only parade, Clay, that I can think of in New York.
1:13This will surprise none of you.
1:15I'm not really a parade guy.
1:18I'm going to join you, Buck.
1:20This is maybe going to surprise people.
1:22I'm very anti -parade. I don't.
1:26I think parades existed for a time before, like screens, and I don't get it.
1:32Yeah, I get why parades in the 1940s were a big deal.
1:35Right. You never went to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade?
1:40Definitely not. Nope, not a thing.
1:42Well, I get why parades are good for kids.
1:45Like there's the Electrical Light Parade at Disney World, which I would rank as number
1:49one on my parade list.
1:51For little kids, I think parades make sense.
1:54For adults, I don't understand the desire to watch parades.
1:57I also will tell you that I lived on the route for many years, on
2:03the actual route of the Gay Pride Parade in New York City, and I saw
2:10things. I saw things in that parade that, I got to tell you, shouldn't be
2:17going on in parades. Just going to tell you, that's a whole other thing.
2:21A lot of nudity, a lot of crazy stuff going on.
2:25So I'm not a parade guy.
2:28The one exception I have for parades was I love the Scottish bagpipes.
2:35I mean, God, Scottish bagpipes.
2:37Whoops. I love the bagpipes.
2:39And you'll hear on St.
2:41Patrick's Day a lot of bagpipes going on.
2:44You and the Queen. I'm sorry?
2:47You and the Queen, Elizabeth, was a huge bagpipe fan back in the day.
2:52Bagpipes are awesome. But when she planned her funeral, she was like, I want as
2:56many bagpipes as possible, basically.
2:58I believe the bagpipes that you all think of when you think of the movie
3:02Braveheart are actually Irish bagpipes, and they're Scottish bagpipes.
3:07Scottish bagpipes are less, how do I put this nicely, melodic.
3:12Irish bagpipes have a little more of a melody, kind of a sweetness to them.
3:17I don't know much about this stuff, but I've just done a little digging on
3:20Braveheart, so I figured these things out.
3:22So, point being, if you're going to a St.
3:25Patrick's Day parade, have a great time, and I hope you remember some of it.
3:28And there's that. We also have, over in Ireland, which is the top of my
3:33list for the next place I want to go overseas with Kerry.
3:37Our last little family trip was to Spain.
3:40Loved Spain. But I went to see the cathedrals, went to Toledo, and did all
3:44that. I love Spain. Spain is an incredible civilization, a wonderful country.
3:48Big fan. Scotland is amazing, too.
3:51I went to Scotland. That was a lot of fun.
3:52Ireland, that's where my people are from.
3:54How Irish are you, by the way?
3:57Like, by background. Do you think 23andMe, like every human being in this country?
4:02I did 23andMe, and I was hoping that I would be part black so I
4:09could start saying, as an African -American, I was entirely English and Irish.
4:16Like, my entire, there was maybe a little bit of North French, you know, because
4:21there used to be a lot of cross -pollination between, for those of you who
4:25are history nerds, between England and France across the English Channel there.
4:31A lot of names that we think of as Anglo or British, like Fitzgerald, like
4:38Fitzgerald, that actually comes from northern France, there's a lot of that.
4:41A lot of names that we think of as Anglo -Irish are actually French names
4:45that got brought over. Supposedly, the Travis name is partly connected to Travers, which is
4:51a French derivation. First of his name, I think, was around 900 in the Travis
4:59name, around 900, I think, in England.
5:02So, all British, all Irish.
5:05And my mom sent me this, and I don't know about, I don't want to
5:08throw my mom under the bus here, but I will say, my mom is not
5:12always 100 % accurate in the information that she shares with me from the internet.
5:17I don't know if this is a general mom thing.
5:20My dad used to send me those chain letters that were like, if you don't
5:24forward this all... you're gonna have seven years of bad luck and i would be
5:28like stop it and he's like i can't i don't want the bad luck so
5:31my mom sent me something i don't know you you would you may have some
5:35knowledge on this that green eyes are uniquely connected to the dna from people who
5:44lived in ireland i don't know if this is true at all some of you
5:48may be uh it's super smart when it comes to eye color she said that
5:52it again this is my mom so i i don't want to throw under the
5:56bus but my mom is not 100 accurate on things on the internet that she
6:00sends to me as i'm sure maybe some of your moms and grandmas are not
6:04are not as well but she sent me something yesterday in honor of saint patrick's
6:08day saying green eyes are incredibly rare which is true and that they have primarily
6:14derived from people who are of irish descent and so if you see someone with
6:20green eyes hazel eyes that that is primarily connected to ireland um and it was
6:25a cool kind of little take uh that she sent me that it's to be
6:29fair gone mega viral i think on instagram uh but it had me thinking about
6:34it in advance of today being saint patrick's day i like you have not spent
6:38time in ireland i have been to england i have been to scotland uh i
6:42would like to go to ireland and actually be able to do a good visit
6:46at some point in time i love guinness i have heard that one of the
6:50coolest uh the tours you can take if you are a fan of guinness is
6:55they have the great guinness factory where they produce all of this i believe in
6:59dublin i've been a bunch of you who are listening to us have been there
7:02i am a big fan of guinness um i'll probably have a few pints today
7:06uh as i watch the u .s hopefully beat venezuela in the wbc but we'll
7:13see on the eye color uh argument whether my mom is correct or not on
7:16that according to the internet which take that as you will ireland has the greatest
7:22concentration of green -eyed people and red -haired people in the country i mean the
7:27world in the world per capita in the world yes so and your son has
7:32got red hair he's got fiery red hair he's a little redhead he's he's like
7:36uh he looks like jamie from uh outlander for those of you who are outlander
7:40fans he's got that fiery red hair um but clay unfortunately the leadership of ireland
7:47when it comes to love of their country and heritage not as fiery as some
7:50of us would want or rather sounds a bit more like you're at a davos
7:54lecture here is the irish president using the story of saint patrick to tell everybody
8:01you know what we need in ireland more globalism and more uh migration from countries
8:09all over the world that have nothing to do with ireland or have no similarity
8:13or commonality with ireland play 15 the story of patrick's life serves as a reminder
8:19of the resilience and courage of migrants the invaluable contributions that they have made and
8:27continue to make to the countries they now call home sometimes even in the face
8:33of great adversity as we recall the life of patrick we invoke his spirit and
8:39acknowledge our shared responsibilities as global citizens patrick's story invites us to respond with hospitality
8:48and kindness to those suffering the consequences of war and displacement those fleeing their countries
8:56because of persecution or violence i mean he's initially captured and as as a slave
9:04from britain brought to ireland to work there and then he escaped and then he
9:09came back later as a missionary but he didn't he didn't show up from um
9:15like bangladesh and say hey i want a lot of free stuff pay for all
9:19my things and i don't plan to learn your language like things have changed quite
9:23a bit since migration in the fifth century that yes that also sounds like a
9:30guy who's playing the role of an irish guy listening to that audio i it
9:36doesn't sound like a real person it sounds like he's playing the role of an
9:40irish guy in a movie that's a woman i think that's a guy that we
9:45just played the audio of it's a woman oh i thought that was a guy
9:51wow am i the only person travis throwing haymakers only person who thought that was
9:56a dude is that is that sexist of me i was like this is kind
9:59of a soft like not very masculine voice we don't know how the president of
10:04ireland identifies but if you're going with is this a chick when you look at
10:08her it's a chick dude i totally thought that was a dude no like no
10:12kind of a weak voice dude am i the only person that thought that was
10:16a dude please other people out there listening you're not going to hire her for
10:21the outkick bikini calendar but it is a female yes i i thought totally thought
10:26that was an effeminate dude i was like this sounds like somebody who's trying to
10:31be blandly inoffensive and playing a role of blandly inoffensive apologetic dude uh so uh
10:39well i guess uh that's a masculine sounding chick uh in some way then you
10:45you had you knew 100 that was a dude or you knew because i knew
10:50it was a chick it's a lot of dude it's the it's the op Yeah,
10:53well, right, but you knew based on the voice?
10:55It's not even a dude who looks like a lady.
10:57It looks like a lady.
10:58Yeah, of course. But we don't have video.
11:01What do you mean? There's video.
11:03Yes, I'm saying, but we're not watching the video, so I'm only, it's a theater
11:07of the mind. I'm only hearing a voice, and I was picturing that being a
11:10man speaking. I don't know.
11:12I think that gets you a headbutt and some Guinness thrown in your face in
11:16Dublin, buddy, so that's all I can tell you.
11:18But my point here on Ireland is 20 % of Ireland is now foreign -born.
11:26The number in the last 10 years is going up dramatically, and the Irish leadership,
11:31they see what's gone on in places like Germany and Sweden and Belgium, and they're
11:37like, you know what we need?
11:38Some of that. And France.
11:41You know what we need?
11:42Some of that. Let's get some of that going on.
11:44Let's bring in as many people from other places as we can as fast as
11:50we can and see what happens to our culture, to our political unity, and everything
11:55else. But the Irish, look, just historically, they've got a big, I'm not talking about
11:59Irish -Americans, which is probably about a third of this audience right now, including Clay
12:03and me. I'm talking about the actual Irish -Irish.
12:05Big shit. They love the PLO.
12:08They love Cuba. They love all the, like, downtrodden leftists of the world because they're
12:15right next door to Great Britain, and yeah, they've had all their beef with Britain
12:18and the IRA and everything else, but at the end of the day, they're next
12:21door to Britain. It's a pretty safe, cozy little place to be.
12:24Do you know where all of this comes from, though?
12:27Unfortunately, people in Ireland and people in most Western civilization countries are just not having
12:34enough babies. Like, this is why, ultimately, I understand the idea of, oh, we just
12:40want to be welcoming for everybody.
12:41The population collapsed. Japan, Italy, Ireland, I'm sure, when it comes to actual numbers of
12:49babies that Irish women are having, which, by the way, if you went back to
12:54America in the 1880s, if we had said, hey, you know what?
12:57It's going to be an issue one day for Ireland.
12:59They're not going to have enough kids.
13:01A lot of people would have rolled their eyes and said, yeah, you know, the
13:04whole phrase Irish twins, which I don't know if it's offensive or not, but, you
13:09know, it's like you're having babies so close together is called Irish twins for a
13:13reason, but the population is collapsing.
13:15I bet, here's off the top of my head, I bet the average Irish woman
13:19right now, Buck, is having, we'll look this up.
13:22I bet they're having 1 .35 children on average, and so over generations, we'll look
13:28up what the number actually is.
13:29It's 1 .5. You're close.
13:311 .5. And they're going to be in negative territory.
13:38Their population will start contracting within the next 20 years based on current trend.
13:43So this is why they're trying, this is the root cause.
13:46Like, they may say, oh, we want to be welcoming and all these other things.
13:49They're importing people who are having far more children, which then becomes even more dangerous,
13:53Buck, because in the future, Ireland will be largely not Irish, which doesn't seem ideal
13:59to me. See, this is what the frustration is, though, and by the way, we
14:03all understand, right, there's a lot of this with America, too, that you have people
14:07who are overtaxed and overburdened and overregulated and have to deal with all the nonsense
14:12of the government in this country.
14:14The cost of housing has gotten completely outrageous.
14:17You have to make 100 % more to qualify for the same house you would
14:20have five years ago. That's insane, purely government policy driven.
14:24And we're bringing people from all over the world who go on welfare.
14:27So a lot of Americans of all colors, of all ethnicities, of all backgrounds, a
14:31lot of actual American Americans, though, are saying, I can't afford to have kids.
14:36And then people show up here who don't actually contribute, have five kids and go.
14:40The state's going to pay for all my kids.
14:42Yes. And that is happening in Europe.
14:44And it is happening here.
14:45And people are sick of it.
14:47The number of people out there who if you sit around and think I can't
14:52afford to have kids, you are in the minority people who are just to your
14:57to Buck's point, who actually can't afford to have kids are the ones having kids.
15:01And a lot of people out there who are highly educated and have resources, they
15:06don't think they can afford kids.
15:08It's it's a major issue.
15:09And again, this is the underlying impetus under which all of this immigration is happening.
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16:45Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
16:47So, several of you at least agreeing with me that you also thought it was
16:51a wimpy dude who was talking.
16:53So, I'm not totally out to lunch here.
16:56Someone said it sounds like Mrs.
16:57Doubtfire. Hello! That's kind of what I was getting into.
17:01It felt like someone fake performing.
17:04And yes, I could see totally the Mrs.
17:06Doubtfire, which was a dude pretending to be a chick in a weird voice.
17:11Let's see. We said we were going to talk about Cuba.
17:13So, let's set the table here.
17:16Can I just get a little credit from our, we have a Scottish bagpipe expert
17:21who has called in to say, wow, Buck, you know all the things.
17:24I did not expect this.
17:25Tim from Menominee? Did I nail that?
17:29Menominee? I think that's right.
17:31Wow. Menominee, Wisconsin. If I got that right, Menominee, you got to give Buck the
17:36key to the town. Hit it.
17:38B. Clay and Buck, Aaron Gobrau on this St.
17:41Patrick's Day. Just so you know, the Irish bagpipes, as you call them, are referred
17:47to as Oolean pipes. And yes, they do have a more mellow sound than the
17:51Scottish bagpipe counterparts. That's a real accent.
17:54This is what happens when you love Braveheart so much that you watch the behind
17:58the scenes, you read multiple biographies of William Wallace, and you find out that Braveheart
18:04is a movie set in Scotland, but filmed and basically costumed and soundtracked by Irish
18:12stuff. You did hopefully tour the castle, the William Wallace castle in Scotland when you
18:18were there, right? It's not really a castle.
18:19It's a monument to him.
18:21I thought he used to live in one of the castles.
18:26No. No. I mean, you don't go.
18:28What do you mean? I thought that there was a place in Scotland that William
18:32Wallace lived. There's a Wallace monument that looks like a castle, but it was built
18:36as like a monument. Yeah, that's what you're thinking of, the Wallace monument, which looks
18:39like a castle. But no, that wasn't his actual...
18:42They realized the movie was so freaking huge and such a tourist thing that they
18:46had to go all in on this.
18:48I was there 27 or 28 years ago, but I remember thinking it was awesome
18:54then. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's fantastic.
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19:59Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
20:00So, Clay, you wanted to talk to Cuba.
20:02I want to... I'm going to go out on a limb here for a second,
20:05okay? My interest in Cuba, other than just the history of communism and how it
20:10destroys everything and having some friends who, including a friend who fought at the Bay
20:14of Pigs, who's still around and may actually be listening right now.
20:19My interest in Cuba tends to go around the just pure anti -communist lines.
20:24You're interested in Latin America, I feel like, right now, particularly because there's a baseball
20:28going on. I thought you were going to say there's baseball going on.
20:32I would like to buy a huge Cuban estate.
20:37I want Cuba to be a capitalistic world, and I think it would be, if
20:43you go back in time and you're a history person, you know, Hemingway lived in
20:47Havana. It was a beautiful place until the 50s.
20:50I used to live in the Caribbean.
20:52Didn't Laura just finish building your house?
20:54Like, your house in Florida?
20:57Are you really going to make her build a house in Cuba now?
20:59Do you realize all the hoops they're going to have to go through for this?
21:01I'm in the house in Florida right now.
21:03It is awesome. But yeah, I think having like a big Cuban estate would be
21:08awesome, and I think Cuba would be, I'm not kidding about this, I think it
21:14would be a real capitalistic jewel because of its proximity to America, how quickly you
21:20can get back and forth, and I know there are tons of Cubans out there
21:25that would love to have the opportunity to help make it a capitalistic jewel again.
21:30And so, I have been a long -time student because I lived in the Caribbean.
21:37I love so much of the history of the Caribbean, and I think Cuba is
21:42sort of this perfect postcard of what communism does.
21:46It destroys. Roy. so many people's qualities of life and I just hate when we
21:52have the same conversations over and over and over again and I think this ties
21:56into a large extent with President Trump because he's just fed up with a lot
22:00of the same debates having existed for much of our lives and one of the
22:05things that we've debated is what did the Cuban revolution start 59 was that when
22:09Castro came into power if I'm not mistaken I think in 1959 ish Castro took
22:15over Cuba which at the time was a flourishing island filled with commerce as it
22:20had been from the moment we can we basically founded the new world I mean
22:26Cuba Havana was one of the jewels of the new world it was Spain's real
22:30headquarters in the world right I mean Cuba was the site of the most important
22:35Spanish settlement for a long time if memory serves yeah and it was a jewel
22:40of the new world I mean one of the I read the there's a great
22:44book on the history of Cuba that I read probably five or six years ago
22:48and Cuba was arguably Havana in particular the capital of the new world but you
22:56go back and look at the populations in New York Boston Philadelphia Charleston the biggest
23:04cities at the time of the colonization of America Cuba was as big um as
23:12uh as many of these uh these cities that are absolute heavyweights of America today
23:18it was bigger back then and it was the economic engine of much of the
23:22new world and it was for a long time until it was destroyed and they
23:28produce a lot of great outfielders let's be honest you know a lot of guys
23:31who could swing that back produce a lot of elite talent but it would not
23:35be bad if you're a major league baseball fan to have more Cubans who were
23:39able to compete uh in major league baseball but you know Castro himself this a
23:46lot of people don't know this buck Fidel Castro decent ball player back in the
23:48day do you know this was actually a very good hoped to have a pro
23:53career in major league baseball didn't and then overthrew capitalism in his country I just
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24:03you know well I've got to learn Spanish so I'm a little bit behind on
24:07my idea of living in Cuba and I'm not great at language or accents as
24:11everyone knows who listens to this I can barely pull off English sometimes and so
24:15uh but I do think that we are in we are poised to potentially finally
24:22end this whatever it is 70 year absurdity of allowing a communist country to be
24:2990 miles off the shore of the United States and I think it's long past
24:34time uh to free the economy of Cuba and in so doing free the people
24:40of Cuba as well and there is no opposition uh to speak of at all
24:45and I I know Marco Rubio has got a lot on his plate but I
24:49feel like he is particularly well attuned throughout the enormity and entirety of his life
24:55given the situation of Cuba to know and have thought a great deal about what
24:59is the appropriate way to return freedom and capitalism which march hand in hand to
25:07Cuba and so I think we're honestly almost there and I think it's the great
25:11unspoken aspect of what we did Venezuela in taking out Maduro freed up Cuba to
25:19fall and I think figuring out how to manage this is I bet something that
25:24Marco Rubio is spending a great deal of time on right now Marco Rubio I
25:31think has and always will have a special place for the freedom of the Cuban
25:37people and so if there's anything that he can do at this stage as the
25:42Secretary of State under this Trump administration to bring that about it would be a
25:47really almost like a Shakespearean bringing full circle moment for him it would be pretty
25:53incredible um or maybe a Homerian uh moment so yeah I think I think it
25:59would be incredible um I think this would be a great thing and I don't
26:05know how they're planning to do anything other than what we've seen right now but
26:07I do know this you can't just keep a country in the dark without power
26:12before things start to think about what a mess this must be yes and we
26:17have very little media coverage for obvious reasons of what goes on in Cuba but
26:21it it must be pretty hellish situation there like I said it's it's you're talking
26:26transport refrigeration yes um you're talking electricity obviously first hospitals think about the impact of
26:34hospitals right all kinds of stuff so I wonder I don't know what level of
26:39contact the governing you know communist authorities have with anybody who could even get in
26:45touch with us I'm not really sure how that works but I do know this
26:50they do not have long to play this out I don't really know what the
26:53future is yeah I think the Trump administration is playing this one pretty close to
26:57the vest play I think they have thought out more of what's going to happen
27:01in Cuba than have they been able to count on the next steps in Iran
27:05if that makes sense I bet they've got some ideas here for how this is
27:08going to go I think that's right um and they haven't really spoken out on
27:13it I mean we obviously have a lot of foreign policy I'll see playing out
27:16right now where I would say some people have said, well, I don't think they've
27:19really kind of spelled out all of this.
27:21And that's been a criticism.
27:23I actually think there is pretty strong connection between all three of these.
27:30And basically what we're trying to do is return freedom to as many people around
27:34the world who have been in direct opposition to the United States as possible, which
27:37is why I say that to me it has a sort of echo effect of
27:42what we saw happen in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down.
27:46And let me give credit to our team here, Buck, because I asked, hey, these
27:51were circulating. People have said, including Joe Kent, who we talked about earlier, hey, I'm
27:56resigning. This is the president falling victim to the sway of Israel.
28:00And that is why we went into Iran.
28:03And the team went back and pulled a bunch of audio.
28:07Listen to this, Buck. This is Trump interviewed in 1980 saying the U .S.
28:14should have invaded Iran to get the U .S.
28:17hostages out. Listen to this.
28:19This is from 1980 for people who say, oh, he's just doing this because of
28:23Israel. I think Trump has had in the back of his mind wanting to solve
28:27these problems for much of his life.
28:29This is a flashback. October 6th, 1980, Trump talking to Ronna Barrett.
28:34It should really be a country that gets the respect of other countries.
28:39Is respect the most important thing in your opinion?
28:41Well, respect can lead to other things.
28:43When you get the respect of the other countries, then the other countries tend to
28:47do a little bit as you do.
28:49And you can create the right attitudes.
28:51The Iranian situation is a case in point.
28:54That they hold our hostages is just absolutely and totally ridiculous.
29:02That this country sits back and allows a country such as Iran to hold our
29:06hostages, to my way of thinking, is a horror.
29:11And I don't think they'd do it with other countries.
29:14I honestly don't think they'd do it with other countries.
29:16Obviously, you're advocating that we should have gone in there with troops, etc., and brought
29:20our boys out. I absolutely feel that, yes.
29:23I don't think there's any question and there's no question in my mind.
29:26I think right now we'd be an oil -rich nation.
29:29And I believe that we should have done it.
29:31And I'm very disappointed that we didn't do it.
29:34And I don't think anybody would have held us in abeyance.
29:37I don't think anybody would have been angry with us.
29:40And we had every right to do it at the time.
29:42And I think we've lost the opportunity.
29:45Okay, 46 years ago, that is President Trump saying we should have gone in and
29:49taken out Iran. So he's actually acting on many of the public pronouncements that he
29:56has made for a very long time.
29:59And by the way, we're going to talk at the top of the next hour.
30:01And I'm super interested to have this conversation with a guy named Shervin Pishvahar.
30:06And again, may or may not be getting that name perfect, but has been involved
30:11in trying to come up with an economic plan for Iran if there were not
30:16crazy religious fundamentalists opposed to capitalism in control of the country.
30:23But we will talk with him.
30:24He's an advisor to the Iran Prosperity Project at the top of the next hour.
30:29And by the way, just a heads up, we're going to go down to the
30:31Marjorie Taylor Greene District where they are going to be selecting a new congressman and
30:37Clay Fuller, former district attorney, lieutenant colonel.
30:41He is the nominee in Georgia 14.
30:44And we will be talking with him when we go into the third hour.
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32:35Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
32:38By the way, that book, if some of you are readers, Cuba and American.
32:43History by I believe it's a woman named Ada Ferrer, and I probably have mispronounced
32:47her name. But the book is actually really interesting.
32:50If you are in any way interested in the history of colonialism and and when
32:58we found the new world and which cities became incredibly popular and and wealthy and
33:05why they did and Havana as one of the jewels of the new world.
33:11It's a great read, Cuba and American history, just kind of taking you through particularly
33:17the olden history of of Cuba as we potentially face a new world where Cuba
33:25may in some way be freer than it has been in a very, very long
33:29time. But you're not particularly optimistic on Iran.
33:35What about Cuba? Well, hold on.
33:37I'm not I'm not optimistic on regime change in Iran.
33:40I think that obviously we've kicked their military's ass and this may be useful for
33:44a whole range of reasons, but I don't think we're going to have a new
33:48government that seems like a normal country anytime soon.
33:52What about Cuba? What do you think is going to happen there if you were
33:55putting your CIA analyst hat on and and trying to discern the future?
34:00I see it as in between Iran and Venezuela in terms of to me, it's
34:07a I think Iran probably stays with the government.
34:10It has. I think Cuba, it's a 50 50 and obviously Venezuela has already had
34:15major change and I think is going to continue to go in a better direction
34:18as a result. So to me, to me, it's a it's a it's a toss
34:22up whether Cuba, the regime stays or not.
34:24I'd give you a 10 to 1 odds.
34:26I always do that wrong, but 10 to 1 odds that the Iranian regime stays.
34:29Is that right? 10. Damn it.
34:321 to 10 odds gambling man that the Iranian regime stays.
34:3610 to 1 would be, you know, you're you're given $10 back for a $1
34:41bet. You want to give you want.
34:43Yeah, yeah. The other way around.
34:44I'm saying it's very unlikely to me that Iran Iran's government changes the the one
34:50thing that's interesting about Cuba is we were just talking about is they don't have
34:54power on the whole island.
34:56And I know inconsistent power has been a plague of Cuba for a long time,
35:03but the whole island being without power.
35:06I don't know how a government can survive if they can't provide the people electricity.
35:13I mean, leave aside whatever the general perspective is of a government.
35:18I think electricity is seen as such a foundational element of basic life at this
35:26point in time that when a government that is in power is unable to provide
35:31it at all or frankly, consistently, it's hard not to see that incongruity, particularly because,
35:38Buck, everybody left behind in Cuba, the 8 .5 million Cubans there, they see the
35:45wealth that many of their Cuban family members live with in South Florida.
35:50And that disconnect is, I think, more problematic for Cuba than it ever has been
35:57before because of the Internet, right?
35:59I know the Internet, obviously, when power's down, you're not able to get on it.
36:02But you can see the difference between the way the average person from Cuba lives
36:08in, for instance, South Florida and the way the average Cuban lives in Cuba.
36:13And pre -Internet and pre -widely distributed video, maybe you could buy into the lie
36:20that you aren't living in a suboptimal condition.
36:24Now, I think it's way harder.
36:26I think the same thing.
36:27This is the same argument I made about Iran.
36:29It's one thing to see your country stink.
36:32It's another thing to see other people who are from your country thrive in other
36:36places and wonder why you can't have that, too.
36:39And I think that's a real challenge unless you can live in a cloistered state
36:44like North Korea and try to restrict the ability of people to even see what
36:48the larger world is like.
36:50People in Iran know. People in Cuba know.
36:53And I think they are craving the same kind of wealth and opportunity that they
36:58see their countrymen get elsewhere.
37:00I mean, the quality of life would improve so dramatically if you just opened it
37:05up to international markets and had some kind of representative democracy and rule of law
37:12and didn't have it's a mafia state.
37:14It's just a mafia state.
37:15That's all it is. There are people at the top who are in control and
37:18they get what they need.
37:19And they have what they want and they have power.
37:22And if you say anything about it, they throw you in prison or they kill
37:24you. That's it. Yes. It's not really actually that.
37:27It has nothing to do.
37:28There's no communist, blah, blah, blah.
37:30It's all garbage. It's just a mafia state.
37:33So we will see what could the future of Iran look like.
37:37One of the people who's most plugged in with trying to think about a future
37:42of Iran in a pro -capitalistic world, what might that look like?
37:47We'll talk with Shervin Pishpahar when we come back and have him break all that
37:53down for you next here on Clay and Buck.
37:57And then we will also talk with Clay Fuller, a fine named man who is
38:02running in Georgia 14 to replace Marjorie Taylor Green in a North Georgia congressional district
38:07in what is likely to be one of the ultimate.
38:10Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
38:10battlegrounds of the midterms. State of Georgia, governor's race and a Senate race with big
38:17battleground impacts there. All that and more coming for you next third hour.
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