Team 47 - Baby Snakes Bite Too
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0:10Cozy Earth. Team 47 with Clay and Buck starts now.
0:20There are quotes from President Trump via Axios, a conversation that he had.
0:27And I grabbed one of those quotes.
0:30It's not audio. But President Trump told Axios, anytime I want the war to end,
0:37it will end. And Buck, I think that is likely true.
0:42And here is, to me, still the big question that we have been asking since
0:46this all started. Who is the acceptable leader for Iran that would allow this situation
0:55in Iran to end in some way?
0:59With the understanding that we would now, at least the Iranians would know, that at
1:04any point in time we could decapitate their leader.
1:07If this son of Khamenei is still alive, Moktaba, or however you pronounce his name.
1:14If he's still alive. You got to say it like that.
1:17Moktaba. Say it like that.
1:18Moktaba. If he's still alive.
1:20I like the way you say it.
1:22Sorry. I'm not an accent guy.
1:23I can't do accents. I can do my voice, and that's pretty much it.
1:28So, if he's still alive, which I think is very much in question because they're
1:33dancing around with cardboard cutouts of him, if you didn't see that, as the representation
1:40of their new leader. Here is what I would say if he is still alive
1:43and if he is able to recover because there are reports that if he is
1:47still alive, that he is severely injured and was harmed quite a lot in the
1:52blast that took place to begin this onslaught in Iran.
1:57His dad, his son, his wife, and his mom were reportedly all killed in one
2:06of those opening attacks. Let me just put this to you, Buck, and to all
2:10of you out there. Would you be very fond or willing to work in an
2:15expeditious and pleasing fashion if a country killed your dad, your mom, your wife, and
2:23your son? I would submit to you that if he is still alive, it is
2:27a non -starter that he could be the leader left in charge in Iran because
2:32I would not blame him.
2:34I would want America to die on a level that, frankly, or any other country
2:38that did this, on a level that would burn in my soul for the rest
2:42of my life. I think this could actually be worse because it's, you know, you're
2:47wounded, you didn't kill a terrorist.
2:50That doesn't seem ideal. You've done a lot of this study.
2:53Terrorists who are wounded and don't die often end up being the most virulent of
2:58terrorists in their future years.
3:00So, I would start with this.
3:02Him being in charge is unacceptable.
3:05And so, I don't know if we have a leader that is acceptable, but I
3:10would say if he's alive, he is an unacceptable heir to the Iranian leadership.
3:16I think that we have seen the total military intelligence and particularly aerial superiority of
3:25the United States and Israel on display and substantial, a substantial diminishing of Iranian capability,
3:34particularly to make war of any kind outside of its own borders.
3:38I am not seeing anything about there's some other faction or somewhat some other group
3:47that could theoretically oversee a transition, take over.
3:51And so, what I think is going to continue to be the case, Clay, is
3:54we have our Department of War and Secretary Hegseth and Trump degrading Iranian military capability
4:03and taking out senior targets.
4:05I do not see how this turns into a different regime at the end of
4:08it. And I felt that way the whole time.
4:11Now, perhaps that is what was baked in all along.
4:16We're being told that regime change was never, the administration is saying regime change was
4:21not the goal. Okay, you're taking out all the leadership in this country and then
4:28you're going to have, to your point, perhaps a more virulent leadership coming right beneath
4:33it. Justified, justified furious, like leave aside the politics.
4:37Again, everybody out there, just think, if someone you knew killed your mom, your dad,
4:41your son, and your wife, would you be likely to work in a positive manner
4:47with that country or that group ever?
4:49I think the answer is no.
4:52Yeah, that's obviously the correct assessment on that.
4:56So I think we're going to have a declare victory and cease aerial hostilities moment
5:04here within the next couple of weeks.
5:05I don't know when exactly.
5:06I'm obviously not on the high side, as we used to say.
5:10I don't have access to classified or any of that.
5:12And if I did, I wouldn't be talking about it here on radio.
5:14But my sense is that they're just going to realize the problem with our position
5:22on all this, our military position, is that...
5:25If you can't force, if you don't have a ground force, you can't force change
5:30on the ground. And that is where we are.
5:34There is no Northern Alliance to work with.
5:37The Kurds, there's not enough of them.
5:39They don't want to get, I mean, they can't run the whole country.
5:41That's a non -started notice.
5:43People talked about the Kurds for about 24 hours until they took out a map
5:46and learned the basic demographics.
5:47We had that guy who was a military advisor in Northern Iraq, one of our
5:54listeners who wrote in and said, yeah, you're right.
5:55Yeah, of course. I was up there too.
5:57I know the mindset of the Kurds with this stuff.
5:59They don't want any part of trying to police the rest of Iran.
6:03They couldn't do it on top of all that.
6:06So I don't see the way that this ends with a hopeful new future for
6:15Iran. I see this as we have defanged the snake, but there are going to
6:21be little baby snakes that grow fangs in time after this.
6:23That's how I, I don't see what the alternative is.
6:27There also is the question, and I think this matters too, and I believe we
6:32have a cut of this, of other people talking about something that is being speculated
6:37quite significantly. It is, is the son actually alive?
6:42In other words, is this potentially an opportunity that Iran has taken to try and
6:49prevent the new leader from getting killed by actually elevating a leader who's already dead?
6:54Um, and there's audio of that.
6:56I want to play that in a sec, but Buck, the other part of this
6:59is if he is still alive, he may be protected from being able to be
7:04attacked because if they have him in a hospital, it's hard to take out someone
7:09in a hospital without killing a lot of other people.
7:12And then the same media that didn't care when Iran killed 30 ,000 people is
7:18suddenly going to be leading stories with look at Israel and the United States targeting
7:23people in hospitals, or they got the guy being treated.
7:27As you're starting to see, Iran has moved whatever assets they have remaining for the
7:33state into schools, into, uh, residential areas so that when we are attempting to strike
7:40these assets, then they immediately cry, Oh, look, they're just targeting innocence as if this,
7:46this regime has any moral authority at all, given the fact that they killed over
7:5030 ,000 protesters just in the beginning of this year.
7:54We've seen this in authoritarian, uh, Muslim, mid East States, uh, for decades where the
8:02regime in charge, you have to remember the, the regime in charge, not only, uh,
8:07disallows there to be a political opposition.
8:10They also recognize if they lose power, I mean, you just talked about the 30
8:16,000 protesters killed in the streets.
8:18Yes. You got to think if you are a member of the besiege, which is
8:22the IR, which is the Islamic revolutions, militia, if you will, this sort of street
8:28militia, street thugs. They had a very similar thing in, in Syria.
8:32I might add called the shabiha.
8:33This is a common thing.
8:35You have the military, which you make sure is ideologically committed and radicalized to the
8:40overall cause of, you know, Islamism, jihadism.
8:43And then below that, you have this paramilitary organization that's meant to know block to
8:48block, house to house, who's doing what.
8:51And they have the total blessing of the state to be as vicious and disgusting
8:57and tyrannical as they want, as long as it's serving the interests of the state.
9:01Clay, those individuals, you have to always remember this though.
9:04I know we've said there's an amnesty for the IRGC.
9:06Okay. Well, that means that we're saying, put down your arms and we won't blow
9:09you up. You brought up, what happens if someone kills your, you know, your wife,
9:13your, your, your parents, your kids, all of the above, you're going to forget that
9:18you're going to, if you're now part of the new regime, you're going to say,
9:22Hey, when you guys killed those 30 ,000 protesters, you know what?
9:25Let's let bygones be bygones.
9:27No. In fact, the Gaddafi effect is you better stay in power or you may
9:32up with a bayonet in a very uncomfortable place.
9:36Like bad things happen. And so it's zero sum for the people in Iran who
9:42have been running the country.
9:44You got America killing their leadership and you've got whatever the opposition on the street
9:50could be the Iranian street, if you will, if they come into power, they, at
9:55a minimum, you got to think you might be going to prison in some hell
9:58hole and maybe even worse than that.
10:01So my point, Clay, is they'll fight to the very end.
10:03There's no off ramp for them as far as they see.
10:06And that's not even taking into account the ideological commitment to stopping the crusaders and
10:10Jews and all the, you know, death to America, great Satan stuff.
10:14That's just the basic hard, cold, hard political reality of the situation they face, which
10:20is why I was hoping that we would start to see, oh, wow, there is
10:24some kind of door number two here or there is something that they've got planned.
10:29And no, we're just completely annihilating their military capacity.
10:34And then I think we're going to stop.
10:36And then we might have to do this again.
10:38It's going to be like mowing the grass, but it's a lot more expensive and
10:42human and and monetary costs than mowing the grass.
10:45And also, again, the question becomes, who is even leading Iran?
10:49And I think this is the question, the new supreme leader who they trotted out.
10:53With a cardboard cutout at the rally, which doesn't suggest that he's actually that health
10:58help healthy. Yeah, that's like the opposite of a proof of life when they have
11:02the cardboard cutout of you at the rally.
11:04No, no, that doesn't look good.
11:05A lot of you also were laughing in the comments.
11:09You were saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't criticize Iran that much about showing up with
11:13a cardboard cutout since we effectively had a cardboard cutout president for four years, which
11:18is fair point. Yeah, fair point.
11:20But here's the Washington Post.
11:21First, Jason Rezahan, saying what I think is really being contemplated at a significant level.
11:29Is this guy even alive?
11:32Cut 12. I wasn't super surprised by his election.
11:34There's been a lot of talk that he might succeed his father when his father
11:38died. This this speculation has been around for more than a decade.
11:43I also wonder if the fact that we haven't seen him indicates that he might
11:48not be alive. I mean, I don't think that there's a clear indication that that
11:53anyone has spoken to him.
11:55The president of Iran, Masut Pazeshkian, said today that neither he nor anyone else in
12:00his government had spoken with the younger Khamenei since he was appointed supreme leader on
12:07Sunday. So there's still so much confusion around this.
12:11And Buck, it could be, again, an opportunity to make it seem as if he
12:17is the leader when it makes it harder to target the actual leader.
12:20And there may be a relatively only handful of people that even know whether he's
12:24alive or not. But when you name a new supreme leader and he isn't going
12:28to be seen, that definitely raises questions about what his health actually is.
12:35Well, take your calls on this one.
12:38It's getting to the point where I think a lot of people are running out
12:42of patience on the plan here, whatever it may be.
12:46And I mean, people who support Trump, I'm not talking about Trump haters, but maybe
12:50look, the polling has said this pretty consistently.
12:53Clay, as long as this is done this month, people are like, OK, maybe it
12:57was necessary. They know they're on a time that our team is on a timeline
13:02with this and it's a tight timeline.
13:05You're listening to Team 47 with Clay and Buck.
13:11Yet another early morning press conference from Secretary of War Pete Hegseth laying out all
13:18the particulars that is dominating discussion as we begin the day here on the Friday
13:24edition of the program. We're going to go out to California at the top of
13:29the next hour. Just to give you a heads up, the primary in California is
13:33getting closer and closer. Steve Hilton, Republican candidate there, the top to advance regardless of
13:39party. We will discuss all of that and what is a free for all absolute
13:44Donnybrook that has broken out in California.
13:47What is the latest there on who might be the next governor to replace Gavin
13:50Newsom? But, Buck, I think we begin where we basically ended yesterday's show with the
13:57news coming of it officially, as we told you it was likely to be.
14:02Having been yet another terror attack, two different terror attacks happening yesterday, one in Virginia
14:09at Old Dominion. We'll get into some of the details there.
14:12Brave ROTC students were able to disarm and kill the would -be terrorist with their
14:22bare hands. And that is pretty remarkable.
14:26We will talk about it.
14:27One loss of life there.
14:29We will certainly honor that loss of life as well.
14:33In West Bloomfield, Michigan, just outside of Detroit, a clear attempted terror attack.
14:40A good guy with a gun ended it and took and killed the life of
14:45the would -be terrorist. But, Buck, coming on the heels of Austin, Texas, where a
14:51guy in an Iran shirt and a pro -Islam sweatshirt on top of that killed
14:57two innocent people and wounded several others.
15:00You then have the situation in New York City where two would -be ISIS sympathizers
15:06tried to throw IEDs outside of Gracie Mansion in New York City, which fortunately did
15:12not go off, and now we are sitting here with Austin, Texas, New York City,
15:19Old Dominion University in Virginia, and just outside of Detroit in Michigan, four different Muslim
15:27fundamentalist motivated terror attacks in the space of about two weeks.
15:32It feels unlikely to me that this is the end of it, Buck, and you
15:37joined the CIA some time ago specifically to help catch the bad guys after 9
15:44-11. So you are particularly well -versed in this.
15:47What is your reaction now that we have what we suggested was likely to be
15:51the case, but now have complete confirmation that all four of these attacks have the
15:56same motive in place as the war in Iran continues?
15:59What would CIA analyst Buck Sexton be doing this morning if he was in Langley?
16:04Well, I think we can count on the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN,
16:09and others to remind us that while all the terrorist attacks that are actually happening
16:14are Islamic radicals, the real threat of terrorism in this country remains white supremacy.
16:21that's the real threat which is is was the focal point of biden's presidency was
16:27arguing the biggest danger that we all face for those of you who have forgotten
16:31for years constantly gave us multi -years of that argument and and i just think
16:37that we're one islamic jihadist or i guess that's kind of repetitive because all jihadists
16:43are islamic but one jihadist terror attack away from some guy instead of yelling alahu
16:48akbar before he hits the plunger on the suicide vest maybe he'll scream out the
16:54real terrorist threat is white supremacy kaboom i just wonder at what point the democrats
17:01will have to reassess reassess the big white supremacist threat by the way per capita
17:07is also something that tends to challenge the left and democrats tremendously they have no
17:11understanding of this whatsoever they compare the overall threat of islamic terrorism and the overall
17:18threat of white supremacist terrorism in this country they also always leave out there are
17:245 million 6 million muslims in the country maybe 7 million something like that i
17:30didn't even know how many white people there are 150 million 180 million i don't
17:36even know so the fact that you're even having a conversation about where is the
17:39real threat of uh and i just want to be very clear there are jihadists
17:43who are white it's actually not about race at all but the democrats don't understand
17:46that they have no you know remember the guy who was captured was fighting for
17:49the taliban like that can happen too islam is an ideology it's not a skin
17:52color it's not a race they always try to conflate those things because they know
17:56that if they can make it about racism well then everyone's oh my gosh it's
17:59not racism it's about an ideology okay no one's sitting here saying you know what
18:03the real threat of terrorism is right now all the buddhists in america oh my
18:06gosh i'm so scared of them has nothing to do with skin color has to
18:09do with ideology and this is exactly what you would expect after remember it's not
18:14just american strikes on iran it is american israeli strikes american slash and israeli strikes
18:21on iran and so the fact that israel is just blowing up iranian stuff left
18:27and right too that really sets off the jihadi community um and looking at the
18:33iran situation clay today uh i know hexa talked about it we have some more
18:38well you know what here let's let's have here here's secretary war this is cut
18:42one the not so supreme leader he says of mojtaba lil mo as clay calls
18:48him this is cut one play it iran's leadership is in no better shape desperate
18:52and hiding they've gone underground cowering that's what rats do we know the new so
18:57-called not so supreme leader is wounded and likely disfigured he put out a statement
19:02yesterday a weak one actually but there was no voice and there was no video
19:07it was a written statement he called for unity apparently killing tens of thousands of
19:12protesters is his kind of unity iran has plenty of cameras and plenty of voice
19:16recorders why a written statement i think you know why his father dead he's scared
19:22he's injured he's on the run and he lacks legitimacy it's a mess for them
19:26who's in charge iran may not even know now this is on the good side
19:33of things clay uh that we're just there there's no military counterpunch from iran whatsoever
19:39the concerning side of this or the side of this i think everybody needs to
19:44understand as well the iranians he said this the iranian leadership now they're fully hiding
19:50under uh in bunkers and they're not meeting in any kind of consolidated place and
19:56they're just going to ride this thing out and there's no opposition taking to the
20:00streets so the regime is not changing everyone the regime is not changing we just
20:06have a defanged temporarily iranian regime maybe they'll have a different approach to the next
20:11round of negotiations but i do not see regime change happening here now some of
20:15you will be i think happy with that because it also means no u .s
20:17boots on the ground and a limited mission clay i read uh this morning getting
20:22ready for the show a couple of different angles that i thought were super interesting
20:26that we could dive into uh a little bit later in the program uh one
20:31david boys who is probably the foremost trial attorney who is a democrat in terms
20:38of intellectual heft and success in the country whatever you think about his politics wrote
20:44a great editorial in the wall street journal saying democrats need to stop reflexively being
20:49opposed to president trump that it's actually a really good thing that we went into
20:55iran and he lays out a very strong argument i thought and um and and
21:00i was impressed that he did it did you did you see this because i
21:02do think it's a little bit of an interesting uh interesting shift you don't think
21:07you have more respect for boys because of his uh lawyer success than i tend
21:12to given that he served as a board member and counsel for theranos the fraudulent
21:18blood testing company and basically threatened to uh uh go after wall street journal reporters
21:24who were trying to unearth that theranos was a giant fraud so he he got
21:28taken in by that whole thing i guess but uh every everybody did it seems
21:33if you go read that book bad blood it's one of the great books that's
21:36been written in a long but remember boys is like the bad guy who shows
21:39up in the wall street journal's offices and is like everything we've done everything theranos
21:43did is on the up and up we're gonna go after you so i'm just
21:47saying fair guys you're being very nice about this guy that's a pretty sketchy uh
21:51sketchy i would want the most zealous advocate possible and i think that's what he
21:55sees his role this is lawyer clay this is you could represent the head of
22:01the mob and clay's like hey everybody needs counsel hey everybody needs hey in fact
22:06there's news that's just gone out i put my money where my mouth is uh
22:11laura and i have made a big donation to vanderbilt law school uh that is
22:15predicated on the idea that every different perspective because a lot of conservative perspectives are
22:21ridiculed in the law right now should be taught in law school um and that
22:26lots of people who are military should have the ability when they finish their service
22:32to go get a law degree so we're putting our money where our mouth is
22:36on this so that we have zealous advocacy so putting aside that argument here's something
22:40i think that is interesting that is starting to be floated as well the idea
22:45that little mo that is the uh that is the son of uh of obviously
22:50the ayatollah who was killed that actually we are negotiating with different elements of iran
22:58that are more moderate i'm curious if you would buy this and inside of iran
23:03they are using this guy who may not even be able to speak based on
23:07the significant injuries that have occurred to him and hegseth laid out they didn't put
23:11a video they didn't even have audio of his statement that they released yesterday um
23:16that they are using him as a figurehead to make it seem like the revolutionary
23:22elements of iran are still in a position of strength but that in reality there
23:28are back channel negotiations going on and we might be setting up some form of
23:34relationship there do you buy it the cia analyst buck buy this guy's son being
23:39the figurehead who's incapable of communication and very few people know it and there are
23:44other individuals who now have risen to power that are interacting with the u .s
23:49that is one theory that is out there i hope that's true i would bet
23:53a large sum of money that that ends up not being the case i think
23:56unfortunately we've done everything that can be done from the sky and there's a hard
24:01red line on boots on the ground and i think it's the right red line
24:05to be clear i agree with that red line um and there's a limit to
24:09what you can do from the air and the iranians have no now they got
24:13sucker punched a bit on this they were not obviously putting all their leadership together
24:18they didn't expect that we would hit them when we did they didn't expect to
24:21get hit in daylight they didn't expect all of this so that was pretty incredible
24:26and they didn't know that we knew so much about where they would be that
24:29all said though um this is the these are the limitations of what you can
24:35do when you don't control the ground and we don't control the ground and the
24:39irgc is still the security apparatus in that country and nobody wants to be the
24:45first one to poke their head out their door be like you know maybe we
24:47could do something different here because your head's not going to stay on your shoulders
24:50that's the concern the other suggestion that i have seen is that we should take
24:55the island with boots on the ground delta force style where they actually produce all
25:01the oil and just take control of their ability to produce oil because this is
25:06kind of crazy iran is continuing to produce oil yeah uh you're talking about carg
25:11you're talking about grabbing carg island i mean that's that's some pretty next level uh
25:15stuff if we were to that is i was doing all my reading buck i
25:18was trying to prepare myself like what are the different very good you're going deep
25:21onto this one i will i'm fascinated by it i don't have the background of
25:25knowledge that you do so i'm trying to read as much as i can and
25:28there's an idea out there that israeli and u .s special forces could seize the
25:34island of oil production and basically end any ability of iran to have control over
25:40the ingress or egress of oil uh not dissimilar in some ways to what we
25:46did with venezuela but just take control of this island and say hey we now
25:52are the captain of the iranian oil ship and we determine everything because it's kind
25:58of crazy to me buck i i didn't realize iran has continued to refine and
26:03be shipping oil even as we have been attacking them i think that would surprise
26:07a lot of people i mean carg island is essentially where all of the processing
26:15of oil remember there's you'll hear these things and i know that some of you
26:18listening this are like i've been an oil man for 40 years buck like you
26:21know a lot more than me and sorry i i'm just assuming the oil men
26:23are in texas pardon me but i know there's other places but you know there's
26:28some of you that know this stuff backwards and forwards but when you hear things
26:30like heavy crude and sweet crude and all this different stuff this it has to
26:34be refined for it to be usable in the marketplace right it's not just like
26:38it pumps out of the ground that it goes right into a car and 90
26:41percent of of car of iranian oil is processed at carg island uh and you're
26:48talking about almost a billion barrels of oil a year there right so if you
26:52are you don't have to stop the oil from being pumped out of the ground
26:55nor do you have to touch the oil infrastructure that does that which would be
26:58a very very bad idea um to have essentially a total choke point for iranian
27:04oil exports because they can't refine it they ain't selling it this is not the
27:09same way a hundred percent and this is why i think in addition to not
27:13wanting to give away strategic operational goals goals you you This is why boots on
27:17the ground doesn't necessarily mean tens of thousands of troops.
27:21It could mean not only on this Karj Island, but also on some of the
27:26nuclear mountainous terrain that you might have to go into.
27:30It could mean elite commando style raids with boots on the ground that is very
27:36different than what we saw, for instance, in Iraq.
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27:51We were just talking about the terror attack at Old Dominion University in Virginia, and
27:57we mentioned that the ROTC students apprehended, killed and disarmed this individual with their bare
28:05hands during the attack. Unfortunately, one life was lost, and I want to make sure
28:10that I read this correctly.
28:14The victim of the terror attack at Old Dominion, this is according to Greg Price,
28:19who does good work on social media, has been identified as Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw,
28:25who was a professor of military science and the leader of the university's ROTC program.
28:30He was a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Enduring Freedom, and Atlantic Resolve.
28:38His awards included two Bronze Stars, Senior Army Aviator Badge, Combat Action Badge, Parachutist Badge,
28:45Air Assault Badge, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal with Valor, Joint
28:51Service Commendation Medal, Army Commendation Medal, and the Joint Service Achievement Medal.
28:59He died on the campus in this attack.
29:02His students disarmed and killed the attacker.
29:07But we want to make sure that we honor the individuals who are victims of
29:13these different terror attacks. Again, Lieutenant Colonel Brandon Shaw, and if there are people out
29:21there listening to us right now that know anything about him or served with him,
29:26it'd be great to hear some of your talkbacks.
29:30But Buck, this is, we were, as we went to break just talking about this,
29:35I think one of the stories here is there is so much innate goodness in
29:41America, the attack, would -be attack on the synagogue in northern Michigan, or just north
29:49of Detroit in Oakland County, still southeastern Michigan, but just north of Detroit.
29:54These guys were ready for it, and they killed the attacker.
29:59This was, I think the number was over 100 kids in a Jewish preschool that
30:05were there that could have been victims, but for the security being there, the only
30:11person who died on that day, yesterday, was the would -be attacker in basically his
30:17vehicle that he drove in intending to blow up and kill as many people as
30:21possible. Again, everybody needs to stay hyper -vigilant given what's going on right now.
30:26But I think it's a testament to the bravery of so many people across America
30:31that we have now had four would -be terror attacks, four actual terror attacks, and
30:36I believe there have only been three victims.
30:39Every loss of life is awful.
30:41I believe two people lost their lives in Austin, innocent people at a bar when
30:46a guy started shooting, and now this ROTC leader on Old Dominion's campus.
30:51But no deaths, and these guys were apprehended in New York City.
30:55The brave police officer who we talked about who jumped over the barricade and went
31:00and tackled them immediately and got them arrested.
31:03The brave security officials at the synagogue who killed this would -be terrorist.
31:09I mean, to have, I think it's five different terrorists, if I'm not mistaken, who
31:14have attempted to take as many lives as possible.
31:16And for them to only get three lives and for the bravery of responders to
31:22immediately take them out, I think is a testament to security officials and also just
31:28the bravery of first responders and everybody out there in America right now.
31:32But unfortunately, I know you're looking and thinking about this quite a lot based on
31:35your background. It seems unlikely this is going to be the end.
31:38And so more are coming.
31:41No, it's not the end.
31:43And they tend to hold grudges in the jihadist world.
31:47So it's not like even if the air campaign stops tomorrow, which I don't think
31:52it will, they would say, OK, we're going to leave things alone now and move
31:57on with our lives. I would just second what you said, Clay, about the security
32:02at that synagogue in Michigan.
32:04Think about this. Probably saved, I don't know, dozens of lives by being armed, present
32:13and ready to go. I understand the bomb didn't go off that this guy had
32:17in his car, but he was prepared for that possibility.
32:21And he also had, I believe, a rifle and was ready to start shooting people.
32:26And if you're in a synagogue and you don't have armed security, even if you
32:30rush a shooter like this, a lot of lives are going to be lost in
32:35that process. And instead, no innocent life was lost in the process.
32:40It's just a reminder, the good guy with a gun thing.
32:44that Democrats still sneer at.
32:47They don't really ever want to look at what actually works, what actually keeps people
32:51safe. You know, I mean, I got to tell you, even here in Miami, I'll
32:55see sometimes like a venue or a place, and they'll say, you know, no weapons
33:01allowed. And I just want to be like, you know, you're just disarming the good
33:06guys. Yeah. You're just saying in a state where we have very pro -2A laws,
33:12as thankfully, Florida's great on this.
33:15New York City is preposterous.
33:17New York City is just one big violation of the Second Amendment.
33:21But you look at Florida, Florida's great, but you go to private venues, you know,
33:25for concerts, things like that, and they'll have no weapon signs.
33:29And now you got to think, okay, I'm going to be in violation of law
33:33if I care. What is the point of that?
33:36If someone, whether they're a gang member or a terrorist, wants to hurt people, they're
33:42carrying the gun no matter what.
33:44You know, I just, I don't know how many times we have to go through
33:47this. You know, Virginia is currently looking at legislation to create some kind of a
33:52ban. You know, they're going to have some specifics in it, but essentially an assault
33:56rifle ban in Virginia. Yeah.
33:59After moderate Spamburger fooled enough Virginia soccer moms that she was able to, and, you
34:06know, dads, that she was able to win the election.
34:08And you sit here and you just go, when will the lesson be learned?
34:12When do they figure out that their little rules and their little, you know, their
34:17pro -clutching over people who like to go shooting on the weekends, who are law
34:20-abiding Second Amendment people, they're wrong.
34:23They're just wrong on this issue.
34:24If we had listened to them and not had armed security at the synagogue, you
34:30know, God knows what would have happened there.
34:33And again, you're really just notifying the bad guys where they should go.
34:38When you say gun -free zones, you're just telling them, hey, this is an opportunity
34:44to go after people who are predominantly not going to be able to defend themselves.
34:49And this is why, look, I hope what happened at the synagogue, I hope it's
34:53a lesson to every school and every religious institution in America.
34:58I would prefer that there be armed security everywhere.
35:01My kids go to schools with a lot of armed security.
35:04I want everybody's kids going to schools with a lot of armed security.
35:09Public school and private school, by the way.
35:12In Tennessee, where I am, I feel very fortunate when I drop my kids off
35:16and I see the security guard strapped.
35:19And I think most of you out there listening right now feel the same way.
35:24Here's the other thing. It also is important, for instance, one of my kids is
35:28in elementary school right now.
35:30When you have an officer in the school, young kids learn that they can trust
35:34police and that police are there to help them, which they might not hear at
35:39home. And so having a school resource officer who is there, who is armed, who
35:44is there to make sure that the kids are all safe, it's an important lesson.
35:48I hope that they never have to use their weapon ever, but it's an important
35:52lesson for young kids to begin to understand that police are not bad guys.
35:56And unfortunately, there's lots of people out there who will try to teach them that
36:00police are bad guys. You know, the estimates are that it would be maybe $10
36:06billion to have armed security at least available in every school in America.
36:14$10 billion. I mean, that's like a rounding error.
36:19How many fake Somali daycares is that?
36:22Not that many. You know what I'm saying?
36:24I mean, how many fake autism centers in California, which we're going to talk about
36:29that later, by the way, just people ripping off the system with fraud.
36:33Yes. $10 billion to keep schools safe.
36:37And people say, oh, but sometimes they'll shoot the security guard.
36:40Okay, nothing is perfect, everyone, but, you know, you know what's really imperfect?
36:44Would you rather them have to shoot the security guard first than immediately go to
36:47kids and teachers? You know what's really imperfect?
36:50Making me wait five days.
36:51Well, if you have your concealed carry, you can actually.
36:54But, you know, making people wait five days, and I'm still waiting for my concealed
36:58carry permit to arrive, actually.
36:59I've already applied for it.
37:00Before I can go get my, like, ninth gun or whatever.
37:04Oh, that's keeping people. Make me wait five days before I can get my latest
37:07range, my latest range gun, you know?
37:10Like, this is idiot rules.
37:12These are idiotic rules. And people still push them.
37:15They're like, guns are scary.
37:16They go bang. Bang is loud.
37:18Loud is scary. They know nothing.
37:21You know what I've also been seeing, and I want to encourage this.
37:25Carol Markowitz is a friend of the program.
37:26She's part of the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.
37:28She's learned how to use a gun.
37:30My wife now goes to the range once a week.
37:34Dude, I bet Laura's kind of nasty with a pistol.
37:36I just have a feeling.
37:37She is very talented with a weapon.
37:40But I've been amazed at how many women I now meet who you wouldn't expect
37:46to be very adept at weaponry that are aware that danger is out there, and
37:52they want to be able to take care of their families.
37:55And I think the number of guns has skyrocketed, right?
38:00This is the real impact of trying to regulate guns, is every time Democrats try
38:06to regulate guns, it's the greatest advertisement for guns that has ever existed.
38:10Everybody out there understands what I'm talking about.
38:11talking about as soon as there is the hint of gun regulation millions more guns
38:16get sold almost overnight and um the amount of guns on the in in good
38:23hands uh has skyrocketed i would say since you've seen it buck since since uh
38:282020 where people just thought that they were never going to be in danger and
38:32they've seen crime and they say i'm not risking or relying on somebody getting to
38:36me i'm going to take care of my family the same way that mayor mom
38:39donnie is currently florida real estate salesman of the year barack obama was actually national
38:47firearms salesman of yes of like the decade because every time they would try to
38:53you know browbeat us and shouted us and say give up all your ar -15s
38:57and give up all your people would just go out and get more yes no
39:02i mean well i'm gonna get grandfathered in now that's totally right and by the
39:06way if you want to go to data we've got more guns in america than
39:09we ever have crime is overall going down substantially the lowest in 125 years when
39:15it comes to murder based on the data from 2025 and you know this i
39:20think it should be screamed from the heavens more loudly if you have a legal
39:25permit to own a gun your rate of criminal violation is infinitely lower than the
39:31average american is gun owners are the most law -abiding community on the planet and
39:37again that's a data set that isn't very well known but i think is consequential
39:41and you're referring to is ccw holders have fewer infractions of law per capita than
39:48law enforcement which is really saying that's even even crazier right i mean because you're
39:54talking about uh it it is evidence that should be within the public discourse on
39:59a level that it is not this is an iheart podcast guaranteed human