Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Mar 15 2026

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0:42Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck.
0:46It is Friday the 13th.
0:49Do not walk under any ladders.
0:52Make sure you dodge any black cats in your path.
0:56Do not say Candyman and then repeat that same thing several times into a mirror
1:03in the dark. What else am I missing, Clay?
1:05What are the other rules for Superstition, the Occult, and Friday the 13th?
1:13For those of us who grew up in a certain region, I don't think it
1:16was well known, we were told don't screw around with the Bell Witch.
1:22Have you ever heard of the Bell Witch legend?
1:24B -E -L -L. They kind of based, you remember the movie, the handheld movie
1:31back in the day? I mean, real talk here for a second.
1:37Real talk here, Clay. We're friends.
1:38Did you have a banjo growing up?
1:40Like, I feel like I did.
1:43They made the, they based the Blair Witch project to a certain extent on some
1:49of the legacy of the Bell Witch.
1:52But back in the day when the Bell Witch was the one that we focused
1:55on the most. And actually, the Bell Witch is - What's the story of the
1:58Bell Witch? I don't know anything you can tell me about this.
2:00Bell Witch is very famous.
2:01In fact, Andrew Jackson, back in the day, went to the home where the Bell
2:06Witch was supposedly haunting. And there's a Bell Witch cave which you can still tour.
2:13I think it's kind of had a new life on YouTube because there's a lot
2:17of these kids, you know this, that go to the most haunted places and just
2:20take their own personal YouTube paraphernalia, film it.
2:24It's super popular. You know, I know they've done television shows about this, but it's,
2:29there's a certain genre of it on YouTube that my teenage boys have ended up
2:33following that has gotten a lot of attention.
2:35And so there's been, pardon the term, a resurrection of some of these old, you
2:41know, sort of ghost stories back in the day that have found a new life
2:44on social media, the internet.
2:46I think well -written, so I'm not a horror genre guy in general.
2:52But I, and I, a lot of it too, first of all, the older I
2:56get actually, the less I'm okay with like really extreme violence in movies and things.
3:01I just, I don't want that negativity like entering my consciousness in my sphere.
3:07So I, anything that, I don't like the slasher genre is what I'm saying.
3:11The more occult, it's eerie, the writing, that stuff I think can be, can be
3:18very well done. And I think it's far more effective as actual horror than the
3:23like, you know, guy with like the Friday, the classic.
3:26They don't really make those movies anymore, but the Friday the 13th back in the
3:30day, slasher films, Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Michael Myers, all that.
3:36That was a huge genre for a while because dollars in dollars out, it may
3:41still be the case. I know it was the case that horror movies were the
3:45most profitable genre of film to be involved in.
3:49Think about it. What are your costs?
3:50Like fake blood, you know, a hockey mask, people.
3:54Yeah, the bloom. I think it's Jason Blumhouse has made a, it might be Blumhouse.
3:59I've read all about it.
4:00You're still right. The horror universe is the most profitable.
4:04Let me give you a couple of things here.
4:07The Conjuring movies are incredible.
4:09Have you watched the Conjuring movies?
4:10I have not seen those, have not seen them.
4:12I think you would like them because they're basically, it's about a husband and a
4:18wife. They are so well done.
4:20And it's really about their marriage as much, but they are, they're basically exorcists.
4:26They're investigating on behalf of religion, the idea of evil in the world.
4:31And I'm sure they're Hollywooded up, but they're based in reality on this husband and
4:37wife couple that this is what they did.
4:39They went and they investigated evil of a, of a vile nature from a religious
4:46perspective. And the movies are supremely popular.
4:49That actually sounds like it's pretty good.
4:50Like, it actually sounds like an interesting premise.
4:52They are really, they are really well done.
4:53I don't know what percentage of this audience would have watched them.
4:56They're scary. Was there ever a movie that you watched when you were younger as
5:00a kid that was so scary that you had to turn it off or like,
5:04you're like, I can't, I can't sit, I can't do this.
5:06Oh, it's Friday the 13th.
5:07I mean, sorry. Really? No, sorry.
5:09Nightmare on Elm Street. When I was a little kid, because Freddie came to you
5:13while you were sleeping. So if you were a kid and you got in bed
5:18and you had a wild imagination, like I did, and you would be trying to
5:23go to sleep and you would think, I mean, that was.
5:25What made, I think, the Nightmare on Elm Street movies so particularly well done was
5:29they were going to get you when you went to sleep.
5:33So you weren't even safe once you fell asleep.
5:36That was the danger. Let me give you The Conjuring are really good since it's
5:40Friday the 13th. Scream movies.
5:42I still really like the scream movies.
5:45I think those are more crime thriller than they are horror.
5:49There's nothing supernatural. It's really just a serial killer.
5:52Yeah, I mean, it's typically stabbing.
5:54So, I mean, it's kind of nasty in the sense that you're getting stabbed with
5:58a knife. Yes, stabbing is not, I'm not saying, as a genre.
6:02They're not supremely gory, to your point.
6:05So they're coming out with a new scream, Scream 7.
6:08This is the seventh version of it.
6:11So I would say, to a large extent, you're right.
6:14Would you make a cameo, Mr.
6:16Thespian, in Scream 7, if asked?
6:18People are coming after me.
6:20People think that acting is awesome.
6:22That's what I thought. I was like, man, there's nothing cooler than being in a
6:26movie. It's really boring. You sit in a, you sit in like your little, you
6:32know, on set. You go out, you do the same thing 40 different times from
6:3680 different angles. It's, and I was like, this is not, it's not as fast
6:41paced as I thought it was.
6:42My mom is going to, is going to chuckle right now.
6:44But before she had to just do the mom thing full time, when she was
6:48early on married to my dad, she, she was on a soap opera, Doctors, which
6:54I told you about for a season.
6:55She was a, she was a cast regular for a season.
6:57She was the starring role in a Hallmark movie, Summer of My German Soldier.
7:02She was in a, I mean, these were real, like, you know, kind of, uh,
7:07was she the one who dated the German soldier?
7:09Yeah. Yeah. She was the love interest for the German soldier.
7:12Yeah. Uh, and, and so she was in a number of these things.
7:15So she did, she was a working actress, like a person that was making a
7:18living acting. And she says his work is brutal.
7:21It's a brutal profession. Cause it's so fickle and it was work.
7:24It's not all the stuff that people think about the like red carpet and everything
7:28else. That's the very end process.
7:30That's that's signing the books at Barnes and Noble.
7:33My very limited. Yeah, that's my very limited time as involved in doing acting.
7:40And again, I've only done it in the context of being an adult.
7:43I love it. You're even talking about you doing acting.
7:46You played yourself. Come on.
7:50Yeah. Come on. I played myself, but I, I have to say I did an
7:55incredible job. Play did a good job.
7:57Playing Clay Travis. This is hilarious.
8:00That's really very funny. I had never thought that I've only played myself in, uh,
8:04in film and movie. Uh, I don't think I've ever played anybody else, but this
8:07mustache, there's no telling who I could play.
8:09But my point on it is having done a limited amount of it, the idea
8:14that we give credence to actors, I spent one day in a trailer, you know,
8:20like everybody goes and sits in their trailers or whatever.
8:22First time I ever did it.
8:23And I was like, why have I ever cared what anybody who did this for
8:28their, for a living? I'm not saying, look, there's great, you know, art that can
8:32be produced, all those things.
8:33But the idea that I would desperately care what somebody who sits around in a
8:38trailer and says the same line from 40 different angles thinks about politics.
8:43I remember having that revelation where I thought it was way more challenging and impressive
8:48of a thing to do until I did it.
8:50Clay, this is where I get to remind everybody.
8:52This is where the history nerd comes out.
8:56Actors throughout history were like a step above clowns and prostitutes.
9:00Yeah. And I'm not even sure a step above the clowns.
9:03It's like actors for thousands of years, going back to ancient Greece, were kind of
9:09a disreputable bunch. And it was really only with the rise of cinema in the
9:1420th century. And then I would say in our, I think actors and music acts
9:19in our lifetime were elevated to their absolute pinnacle of prestige and power.
9:25And I think in the last decade, we have seen a dramatic decline because there's
9:30also so many other ways and so many other people who get famous now because
9:34of the online world we live in.
9:35So it has dispersed a lot.
9:36But I wanted to go back to horror for a second.
9:38So you said Friday the 13th movies were scary.
9:41What is Nightmare on Elm Street?
9:43Scary. That was the one that I couldn't sleep after watching.
9:46Friday the 13th was fine.
9:47But Nightmare on Elm Street was the one that I was like, I'm terrified of.
9:51Whenever one of these movies would come on, even if it was flashed on for
9:54a second, if I was my dad was around, he's always like, I would just
9:57take my double out buck and I'd finish this guy.
9:59He was always like, he's always like, Jason's not that scary.
10:02I'd take my 45. A guy would be toast.
10:04I'm like, yeah, but that's like not really the point.
10:06But anyway, tell me the scary for you.
10:09The scariest movie that you have ever seen is.
10:13That really hits the peak of the sort of fear center in your brain when
10:18you're watching that movie. For me, there is one.
10:20And my mom actually, my mom read to be in the movie as the starring
10:26role, by the way. Oh, wow.
10:27And I, yeah. What was the movie for you?
10:30The Exorcist. No question. Number one, still by far, The Exorcist.
10:37So I watched Paranormal Activity.
10:43And I was afraid to go to sleep after watching it.
10:47This has probably been like 15 years ago.
10:49I was a grown up.
10:51I mean, back in the day when I was a kid.
10:52It was Freddy Krueger. But I watched, I think it was Paranormal Activity.
10:56And my wife and kids, and again, this was like 15 years ago, were out
11:02of the house. And I was sleeping in the house by myself.
11:06So I went to go watch the movie by myself.
11:09My kids were out of town.
11:10My wife was out of town.
11:11And then I came back home, and I turned on every light in the house,
11:17and I barricaded the bedroom door before I went to sleep that night.
11:22As an adult? Oh, yeah.
11:24I was probably, yeah. Come on, dude.
11:29Come on. Seriously, I was probably 30.
11:33It was about 15 years ago.
11:35Now I know why Laura's the one doing all the firearms training.
11:39Laura's on the ball with the firearms training.
11:41I turned on every light in the house, and I put something in front of
11:46the bedroom door. That was 30.
11:49I watched the Paranormal Activity movie.
11:50It was really, really scary.
11:51Wasn't that the most successful financial?
11:54Again, there's not the most money.
11:57That's like Avatar in these big movies.
11:58But dollars in, dollars out as a percentage of profits.
12:02It cost virtually nothing to make, and it was insanely profitable as a hit.
12:08My story about the Blair Witch Project is I was a junior counselor, so I
12:13think I was like 16 at a camp in Vermont.
12:17And when it would rain, it was all outdoor stuff.
12:19We had these little, when it would rain, what do we do?
12:21We'd go into Burlington. We'd go into town, and we'd go to a movie.
12:25And the older counselor, who was like 19 or 20, who was like the main
12:29counselor, he was a crazy guy from New Zealand who was definitely like a little
12:33nuts. And he was like, oi, let's go take the kids to the Blair Witch
12:39Project. And I was like, they're like 14, dude.
12:43Like, you really were going to take all these 14 -year -old kids to the
12:45Blair Witch Project? He was the adult.
12:47I was still in a camp.
12:50And he almost, I will tell you, he almost got fired and like sent home
12:53over it. Because I actually, I'm not just saying this now, I was like, I
12:56think, I'm not going to say his name, but I was like, I think, dude,
12:59this is not a good idea.
13:00And he's like, oi. He basically pulled rank on me.
13:02He's like, that's fine. These kids, these boys will be good.
13:04Let's go. And I was like, I don't know.
13:07Clay, we had to go back to a dark, rainy campsite that night.
13:12And the kids, the 13 and 14 -year -old kids, were shaking like leaves after
13:17watching the Blair Witch Project.
13:18Oh, I don't doubt that at all.
13:19That seems like, by the way, Brian in Florida is with us.
13:22He's a former actor. I mean, let me put it this way.
13:26If you're a professional baseball player or a basketball player, football player, it's awesome, right?
13:33A professional, that job is really cool.
13:35You get to play games, golfer, whatever it is.
13:37Like, I can see why people would aspire to it.
13:40I've gotten to cover it.
13:41I've thought to myself, this would be something really fun to do.
13:43I'm not kidding. Acting, I don't think would be a very funny, a very fun
13:47job. Well, that's also why most actors are weirdos.
13:50But Brian, go ahead. Yes.
13:52First of all, you guys got me cracking up.
13:54You brought up Jason Blum.
13:56I actually did productions with Jason Blum.
13:57But, Clay, I will say, I chased both of those dreams.
14:00I was a college athlete.
14:02I did try to pursue playing Major League Baseball.
14:05I fell short. I was a little older.
14:07I came out of high school to the military.
14:09But I was doing, like, modeling down in Miami where Buck is as a teenager.
14:14Then got into business. And then when I came home from the military, I was
14:18like, oh, let me go.
14:19I went to junior college in LACC, started playing ball.
14:24And then I was doing my Hollywood stuff.
14:25And you're so right. Like, I was just caught up in it, trying to chase
14:31the dream, really, for my family.
14:32And then you learn, like, these people are a bunch of communist idiots and demonic.
14:38And, like, it was just, yeah, it's not fun.
14:42It's not, like, how they put on that perspective of, oh, it's such a, it's
14:47highly lit. No, man, it's brutal.
14:50It's, everything you guys were saying was whited on the money.
14:52And low key, when I, you know, oh, well, let me tell you, I played
14:58on a baseball league with James Van Der Beek.
15:00He was very kind. He was a very humble man.
15:02He actually never acted like he was better than anybody.
15:05He was a shortstop on our team.
15:06I was first base. But, and so a lot, like, you kind of talk to
15:11these guys a little. And you, like me, I was kind of open about being
15:15a conservative. I didn't care.
15:16Like, my career ended pretty quick once President Trump was coming down the escalators.
15:20I was an avid voice.
15:22And Hollywood's like, well, we can't have this crazy MAGA guy in here.
15:26And then I ran, when I found out really the undercover is when I ran
15:30for United States Congress during the China virus in 2020.
15:34And I was never wearing a mask in California.
15:37I would have a lot of these actors, like, send me a message, bro, like,
15:40that's awesome, man. Like, I can't really come out publicly and support you because my
15:45career would be over. But, like, go for it.
15:47But you guys are so right.
15:49You guys are cracking me up because it is.
15:51Like, who, I wanted to be a baseball player.
15:53That was my, like, like you said, Clay.
15:56You're out there playing ball.
15:58You're playing a game, doing something you love to do.
16:01Acting, yeah. It's fun being different characters and different things like that.
16:05But, like you said, you're sitting sometimes on the set for hours, bro.
16:09So, like, you're seeing, you're seeing, like, oh, let's cut.
16:13And then we got to do it again.
16:14And then you didn't even get to really get in there.
16:17And then you got to wait again for that scene.
16:18And sometimes the actor could.
16:20And then you got to wait again for that scene.
16:20not even say this stupid line or two, right?
16:23Then they got to cut that, and then you're waiting for them to redo the
16:26lighting. Or even if you're outside, then you got to wait for the lighting even
16:29outside to get. I'm like, oh my gosh.
16:32Yeah, thank you. Thank you for the call.
16:34Look, if you could do a scene one time and be done with it, I
16:37would say, okay, this is better.
16:39I can understand why doing a Broadway play would be pure because you do it
16:44for two hours. That's it.
16:46You're gone. But the actual production of movies for people who dream of being an
16:50actor in Hollywood and stuff like that, the actual mechanics of it in my limited
16:55experience is awful. Sundays with Clay and Buck.
17:01All right, Clay. You know, I don't want you to miss out on this one.
17:05You're very excited to tell everybody that our crack team of researchers has found something
17:12that you think is an argument ender.
17:15You are of the mind that this is just pure vindication of your position on
17:21a controversial topic recently. I will let you take it away from here, but I
17:26will just let you know, Buck Island is not so easily submerged under the lapis
17:32blue waves of the ocean, my friend.
17:34I got to give credit to the diligent production team at Clay and Buck because
17:40I had no idea that this was even out there.
17:44And so I want to make sure that I get this right.
17:48But I said last, was it last week?
17:50I think last week, I made the indisputable argument that Taylor Swift was the Beatles
17:56of her era. And many of you, you disagreed with that because you were wrong
18:01and I was right, but I was willing to take the slings and arrows of
18:05disagreement as I generally am.
18:08But then, guess what has happened?
18:12Ringo Starr, kind of a famous guy, former Beatle Ringo Starr.
18:18Ringo Starr came out, Buck, and he said Taylor Swift is this generation's Beatles.
18:25Cut 23. Do you think what's happening with Taylor Swift could be the closest thing
18:33to Beatlemania for this generation?
18:36I do. I think Taylor Swift is great anyway.
18:39Yeah. And she's pulling them in, you know?
18:43And when we talk about her, I always have to mention that the first time
18:47I met her, she was 14.
18:49And she was at the Grammys with her mother.
18:52Taylor is the now one.
18:55Yeah. All right. A few things.
18:57All right. The Beatles themselves endorsing my heart.
19:01Hold on. Hold on. A Beatle said the closest thing today.
19:07Have you heard music today, Clay?
19:09I mean, like, yes. Is Taylor Swift closer to the Beatles than Bad Bunny?
19:13Sure. I'm closer to the Beatles than Bad Bunny.
19:16All right. So it's not quite as cut and dry as you want to say.
19:21I'm also, I'm not trying to get rough here with Ringo, but I mean, of
19:25the Beatles, like, really? Paul McCartney comes out and says this.
19:29I'd put a little more stuff.
19:30Ringo, it's like, does anyone even remember this guy was in the Beatles?
19:33Come on. Can't, Ringo had no idea he was going to take this kind of
19:38attack. Can we put in, probably did not anticipate me saying this.
19:41They probably won't come on, but can we put a request to Ringo Starr, Paul
19:46McCartney, and any other member of the Beatles to come on the show and analyze
19:51whether Taylor Swift is a modern -day Beatle?
19:54By the way, we're going to break, but we have another popular musician that is
19:58also on Team Clay Travis about Taylor Swift as the Beatles, modern day.
20:04And we will play that for everyone out there when we return, Buck.
20:08But I would just say.
20:09But you see, the frenzy of, like, a Beatlemania, that is a temporal, that is
20:13a temporary situation. The real question is, does it stand the test of time as
20:17a giant of the music genre with enormous influence on countless other bands?
20:22He just said he met her when she was 14.
20:24She's already had a 20 -year career.
20:26This is extraordinary. I mean, look, this is not, like, a controversial position for someone
20:32who lives in Nashville, I'm just going to say.
20:34A lot of Tennessee love come in Taylor Swift's way.
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20:52Before I eviscerate you with more brilliant analysis here of Taylor Swift's career, this is
21:01actually pretty funny. My youngest son, he asked me this week, this is a quote
21:08from him, is Valentine's Day just the day where boys have to get girls things,
21:14and if we don't, we're in trouble?
21:16And I absolutely love this because when you're a little kid, if you remember, Valentine's
21:23Day is actually pretty even, right?
21:25Like, you're a little boy, you're a little girl, you get to go exchange Valentine's
21:29Day, you know, cards, notes, the little cool cards back in the day.
21:35Everybody, boys and girls, mom and dad, primarily mom, may get you, like, a chocolate
21:41of some sort, like the 10 -pound bunny, which you saw that I bought at
21:47Costco. which is not technically Valentine's.
21:49It's an Easter bunny. But there's lots of cool chocolate gifts and bunny rabbits and
21:56whatever's going on for Easter.
21:59Sorry, for Valentine's Day. And then as you get older, you realize, wait a minute,
22:04Valentine's Day is just a test for all men where basically there is no real
22:09reward. You just try to avoid disaster.
22:13And I don't know, how many Valentine's Day dates did you have as a single
22:17man were you a Valentine's Day date guy?
22:20Or how did you have been married for so long?
22:22I never really had to go through a ton of these.
22:24But what did you do?
22:26It's treacherous. It's treacherous ground for the single man because at what phase is it
22:33expected versus when is it clingy for you to do something on Valentine's?
22:38If it's like a third date, I don't think you do anything on Valentine's Day.
22:42If you're at that third date phase maybe.
22:45Right. You can overdo it if you're right.
22:48I mean, you don't want to be the guy who's like, hey, next week's Valentine's
22:51and I'm sending, you know, $400 of roses to your front door.
22:54That's a little weird. So, you know, it's tough.
22:57I'll just tell you guys this, though.
22:58Carrie and I already had our Valentine's Day dinner.
23:00I refuse. I'm willing to celebrate the romance with the one that, you know, matters
23:06most to you in the world and your romantic partner.
23:09I'm willing to play this game.
23:11Okay. So people don't feel left out.
23:13That's fine. But this notion that I have to do it on the same Saturday
23:16night as every other poor schlub in the country, like me, who would be dragged
23:22out to restaurants that this is this is the true reality of Valentine's Day.
23:28Restaurants give you their C game at best.
23:31They roll out prefix menus.
23:34So all of a sudden you're paying twice as much for some cheap sparkling white
23:38wine that they're going to call champagne and a tiny little glass and some rubber
23:42chicken that you have no choice.
23:43It's rubber chicken or like pasta that they brought in.
23:46All of a sudden you're having banquet food.
23:48Whatever restaurant you go to, they're downscaling you, but they're upcharging you and you have
23:53no choice. In fact, you're supposed to be grateful for getting the reservation because it's
23:58Valentine's Day. My friends, this is a scam.
24:00This is a scam. Gentlemen, don't fall for it.
24:03Take your woman or take your man, whatever.
24:06Take him out tonight. Make Valentine's Day Friday your move because if you're going out
24:10to restaurants anywhere across the country, you're going to have people trying to sell you
24:14roses at the table that you don't want to deal with.
24:16You're going to have people that are trying to get you on the prefix menu.
24:20You're paying a lot more.
24:21You're going to wait, but you know what happens when the service is bad on
24:24Valentine's Day? Do you have a salty server?
24:26They go, sorry, it's Valentine's Day.
24:28They think it's amateur night and they treat it as such.
24:31It's like going out on New Year's Eve to dinner.
24:33You're getting scammed and I'm here to tell you, go out tonight or go out
24:38for Valentine's Day brunch on Sunday.
24:40Value, baby. Get your value.
24:42I hope that some of the men that do not have Valentine's Day dinner dates
24:46booked use that buck argument and take your girls on Friday or Sunday.
24:53I always say this. It is never ending.
24:57The guy who goes into the restaurant and tries to get seated without a reservation
25:02on Valentine's Day. I may have been that guy before.
25:08You go to like eight different restaurants and you're like, how long is the wait?
25:11They're like four hours and we can seat you at 1045.
25:15Like that doesn't seem very good.
25:17And you have to keep getting back in the car.
25:19She's like, oh, look at all these other guys who thought ahead and made a
25:24plan. And they actually like their wives or girlfriends.
25:28It's just I want to thank my friend Chad, who was a listener of the
25:32program. I have got a Valentine's Day dinner down here because of him.
25:37He's a big fan of the show.
25:39I appreciate him taking care of me.
25:40So I'm going out on Valentine's Day.
25:43But I got to tell you, if you didn't get reservations months ago at a
25:48lot of places, you're basically done for.
25:50And so there's going to be a lot of guys that are in a tough
25:53spot here. You know, and honestly, if you're a big Olive Garden guy, fine.
25:59But like, don't feel like you have to just do whatever and go to the
26:03Olive Garden on Valentine's Day because everything else is booked.
26:06Tell your wife, tell your husband, whatever we're dealing with here.
26:10Hey, why don't we celebrate tomorrow?
26:12It's not actually anyone's birthday.
26:14OK, or rather, you're not celebrating someone's birthday.
26:17You can move the day and have your own beautiful celebration and not pay 50
26:22to 100 percent more for whatever it is that you're doing.
26:25Trying to go to the spa.
26:26What do you think it's like trying to get a spa appointment on Valentine's Day,
26:29Clay? Not that I would know, but it's really hard.
26:32It's impossible. I mean, you basically had to make a spa appointment a year ago,
26:35which is why I think my youngest son is right.
26:40Ultimately, all Valentine's Day is designed to do is blow men up now.
26:46There's very little benefit. And so anyway, it's Friday the 13th, which also may be
26:52ominously accurately is the eve of Valentine's Day if you have not already made your
26:58plans. All right. It's also ominous for Buck.
27:00We just heard from the legendary musician Ringo Starr endorsing my argument that Taylor Swift
27:05is a modern day Beatle.
27:06But some people said, well, what do we care about Ringo?
27:09He's only a Beatle. What could he know?
27:11How about Gene Simmons? How about Gene?
27:15Simmons, legendary rock star, all winding up behind me.
27:21Cut 22. There's nothing, and I mean nothing, and I think it's true for most
27:26fans, to seeing the lights come on in the eyes of a young child who
27:33just becomes enthralled, just like in The Exorcist, when the demon enters your whole body.
27:41You live kiss, you breathe kiss.
27:43It's more than music. And the only analogy I can point to is the Swifties
27:48of today. Yes, the songs are cool, and she's wonderful, we know her, but it's
27:54more than that. It's almost a gathering of the tribes.
27:57The Beatles had that. It was called Beatlemania.
28:00We loved the Stones, we loved Hendrix.
28:03That didn't exist. They were just popular, really popular.
28:07But when there's something else going on, it's almost cultish.
28:14A lot of people have cult followings in music.
28:16Fish has a cult following.
28:17Dave Matthews Band has a cult following.
28:19Not like this. Grateful Dead has a cult following.
28:22Yeah, they don't have 15 -year -old girls all thinking that Dave Matthews is like
28:26the queen of the princesses or whatever.
28:28But this is, you know, first of all, Gene Simmons.
28:32Now I'm just going to start stepping in it, but Kiss, is that even really
28:36a music act? Isn't it kind of more of like, you know, like musical theater
28:41or something, like some theatrical thing with the face paint and everything?
28:44I don't think anyone's like, wow, the music of Kiss really endures.
28:48Get out of here. I just think when you consider legendary musicians and they line
28:53up with me, it just proves the legitimacy of my argument here.
28:58No, I think that these are old guys who want relevancy today.
29:01And so, of course, they're going to lean in on what the big act of
29:03the moment is. But the timelessness argument that is being made here, I mean, I've
29:07just, that's really, and also the impact on music as a genre.
29:12I just, I don't see it.
29:13I don't see it. I'm sorry.
29:15I wish I could go along on this one.
29:18By the way, I don't think Taylor Swift is bad.
29:20I just think she's overrated.
29:21Well, as also our illustrious team of researchers pointed out, you used to be a
29:29Swiftie. I mean, I like, when I was a single guy, you know, she's kind
29:34of pretty. I thought she was kind of pretty.
29:35So I was a little, you know, a little bit threw me off my game
29:40here. I love that we had, it took a few days, but then coming out
29:43of the woodwork, we're old school Buck listeners, and they're like, wait a minute.
29:47This is, he's singing a different tune here.
29:49But as Taylor Swift might say, why you got to be so mean?
29:53Wait, Jay in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan wants to weigh in on Ringo Starr.
29:57Jay, let it rip. Hey, Clay, I thought you were a common sense conservative, but
30:05clearly you sound like AOC with this argument.
30:09The Beatles, I could name seven or eight albums.
30:14Every single song on that album, you ask someone walking down the street to say
30:19a couple of lines, they'll be able to say a line.
30:22Taylor Swift, are you kidding me?
30:24The only song I know is one that you mentioned on the radio, and I
30:28couldn't name one of the lines.
30:30I will, to be fair, Jay, how old are you?
30:32Empty argument. How old are you, Jay?
30:35I'm 57. Okay, you're 57.
30:38Every single woman. And then Ringo Starr, Ringo Starr.
30:43Light him up, Jay. Octogenarians who are just trying to appease their hosts.
30:51Get him, Jay. Get him.
30:52Jay, every. Jay, I'm with you, Jay.
30:55Jay, don't let anyone take away your fire, my friend.
30:57I'm with you. Jay got so fired up there going after Ringo Starr.
31:00By the way, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, great place, happens to be the hometown of one
31:04Laura Travis, just north in Oakland County.
31:07She went to school in Bloomfield.
31:09But let me say this.
31:11Jay, you're 100 % wrong.
31:12And every single woman, every young girl, you go 15 to 45.
31:23Every single one of them can name a Taylor Swift song.
31:26There is not a 15 to 45 -year -old woman, girl in America that cannot
31:32name a Taylor Swift song.
31:33It's just Jay is 57 and male.
31:35I get it. This is not his wheelhouse.
31:38I happen as a 47 -year -old, 46, 47 -year -old man, to just be
31:42able to channel. Well, can I point out, though, Clay, you're actually making a problem,
31:46I think, for your own argument here, which is you're saying all these women, all
31:49these women listen to Taylor Swift.
31:50Everybody listened to the Beatles.
31:52It wasn't a male. You're referring more to Beatle mania and sort of taking that
31:57as a, the Beatles as a musical phenomenon were both global and both gender.
32:04But I think the Beatles would have been more popular with women back in the
32:07day than they were men, too, right?
32:09Probably a 70 -30 fan base.
32:11In the early days, I don't think, I don't think when you get to like
32:15Abbey Road and you get to the White Album, I wouldn't say it was necessarily
32:19a lot more women than men.
32:21Yeah, maybe not. Maybe so.
32:23I mean, I think there, to be fair, there are a lot of men in
32:26that 15 - to 45 -year -old window, such as Buck Sexton himself, who were
32:29also fans of Taylor Swift at some point during that window.
32:32Well, she had an advantage before this Kelsey, this Travis Kelsey fellow came along with
32:38his big muscles and his manly beard.
32:41Grant in Minnesota. Grant, what you got for us?
32:47First of all, I want to apologize for Minnesota.
32:51Well, thank you. You guys talk about the Beatles.
32:55They're fabulous musicians. When they broke up, though, all four of them went their separate
33:01ways. Ringo Starr had the most number one hits on the charts.
33:07He was the most successful of the post -Beatles.
33:11I don't know that to be true.
33:12I appreciate the call. That is Grant's argument.
33:14We'll look into that. Monty says, look, I said we could get Paul McCartney.
33:19We could get Ringo Starr on.
33:21Monty, talkback, G. Clay, the other Beatles, John Lennon died in 1980, and George Harrison
33:32died in 2001. So I don't think you're going to have any luck getting a
33:36hold of them. Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr are still alive.
33:39That's what I'm saying. We've got to get one of those two guys.
33:41By the way, do you know how America became, by and large, aware that John
33:47Lennon died? Do you know who announced live on television that John Lennon had been
33:54killed and when it happened in 1980 for huge swaths of the American population?
33:59You're probably not going to know, Buck.
34:01Any guess about who delivered the news of John Lennon's death to the largest audience
34:10of Americans when it occurred?
34:18John Lennon's death announced by Howard Cosell on Monday Night Football.
34:28During the course of that Monday Night Football game, he came on and said, Hey,
34:34basically, I have this awful news to report to all of you.
34:38Howard Cosell, a lot of people wouldn't anticipate that that was the case, was the
34:41guy who broke the news to the largest group of Americans that John Lennon had
34:46been killed. So, that's kind of a tough turn for me here.
34:52But okay, okay, thanks, Clay, for that trivia.
34:55It's a real bummer, you know.
34:58Three seconds remaining. John Smith is on the line.
35:01And I don't care what's on the line, Howard.
35:03You have got to say what we know in the booth.
35:06Yes, we have to say it.
35:08Remember, this is just a football game, no matter who wins or loses.
35:13An unspeakable tragedy confirmed to us by ABC News in New York City.
35:19John Lennon, outside of his apartment building on the west side of New York City,
35:23the most famous, perhaps, of all of the Beatles, shot twice in the back, rushed
35:29to Roosevelt Hospital, dead on arrival.
35:34Hard to go back to the game after that newsflash.
35:41Do you agree that, is that really an announcement you make during a football game?
35:47I don't think it is.
35:48It's a tough transition to expect an announcer.
35:51I mean, it's the pre -social media era, so I guess you could say that
35:54maybe people were expecting to get news from wherever they were of something of that
35:59kind of flash -breaking news magnitude.
36:03But you know what I'm saying?
36:05It's a little bit like, remember when they broke in with OJ during the...
36:07I think what they would do today, and they may not have had the technology
36:10to do it in 1980, is if they felt compelled to break in and give
36:14that news, they would go to a newscaster.
36:17They would say, hey, we're going to go live to insert location here.
36:21I would point out that this came on the heels, Buck.
36:25If you remember, I mean, the Winter Olympics are going on right now.
36:27But 1974 in Munich, much of that was largely covered by sports people.
36:33When the Jewish, the Israeli Olympians were taken hostage, people who were there to cover
36:42that event were sports people.
36:44And suddenly they had to pivot in real time to being on air for massive
36:48amounts of hours to cover a truly serious story.
36:51I think sports would get exposed far faster today than it did back then because
36:57I think the average news person was more intelligent and well -versed in larger society
37:03than they are today. Well, thanks, Captain Womp Womp.
37:06Happy Friday the 13th, everybody.
37:08Great way to end the show here with Clay, getting some really intense stuff.
37:12We got assassinations. We got terrorist attacks.
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