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1:05Welcome in. Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
1:10We are excited to hang out with all of you for the next three hours.
1:15Let me hit you with the guests that we have coming down the pike here.
1:18In the second hour, the chairman of the FCC will be with us.
1:24And then that is Brendan Carr.
1:27There are a bunch of moving parts in the FCC.
1:29Buck probably has not been following it as closely as I have.
1:33But also, the Paramount versus Netflix battle for Warner Brothers has really heated up.
1:41And I love all these media stories.
1:43And so maybe I'll have some questions about that and more.
1:47At 2 .30, we will be joined by the FDA Commissioner, Marty McCary.
1:53And we will dive into a bunch of different discussions with him.
1:58So both of those stories are on the horizon.
2:02Both of those guests on the horizon as well.
2:05Several things that are happening as we start off the day.
2:08Hillary Clinton is testifying about Jeffrey Epstein.
2:13And basically, she is saying, I've never met him and I've never been on his
2:19plane. Tomorrow, her husband, Bill Clinton, will testify.
2:25And we'll see what happens there.
2:27I just really want her to look into the cameras and go, what difference at
2:31this point does it make?
2:33Just for old time's sake.
2:34You know what I mean?
2:35Just go full Hillary. Go full Hillary.
2:37And here is that cut that Buck just referenced.
2:41Old school producer Greg on the ball.
2:44This is a flashback to 2013.
2:46What difference at this point does it make?
2:50Wow, I didn't even know that we had that on the cut sheet.
2:52That was a mind meld there.
2:54Look at that. There's a story that I think should be a way bigger story.
2:59In fact, I know she doesn't do media very often.
3:03But, Producer Allie, can you put in a request for Susie Wiles, the chief of
3:08staff for President Trump? I'm guessing she's probably not going to want to come on
3:13the show because she doesn't do very much media at all.
3:16In fact, I've only seen her speak in public a few times.
3:19She's doing a great job.
3:21But, Buck, this story is wild.
3:23There are reports that Susie Wiles, when she was Donald Trump's campaign manager in the
3:302024 election, was under surveillance, as was Kash Patel, who is now the director of
3:37the FBI. But that Susie Wiles' own attorney was aware that their conversation was being
3:46listened to by the FBI, but she was not.
3:51Have you seen that report?
3:52As a lawyer, the number of situations, first of all, I can't imagine ever agreeing
3:59while I was representing someone without my client knowing that we were being listened to,
4:07while in theory I am providing legal advice to him or her to allow this
4:13to occur. This report, this story is out there, the fact that she was under
4:19FBI surveillance while being the campaign manager is crazy in and of itself.
4:24I mean, it is much more of a substantial infringement probably than anything related to
4:29Watergate. But that her attorney would have been in that situation is really kind of
4:37a crazy story. So I don't know how much attention you pay to that, Buck,
4:42but it's one that I think there could be more revelations from.
4:45And I would actually like to hear from Susie Wiles herself.
4:49Well, if you think about it, it's not surprising at all that the previous administration
4:55would have done that. One thing that I was mulling over during the State of
5:01the Union as Trump was verbally slapping around the Democrats here and there was that
5:08essentially most, almost all of those politicians wanted, hoped, and thought Donald Trump would be
5:18sitting in prison right now.
5:19In prison? Actually in prison?
5:22Now, we have gone past...
5:24this we have um you know moved on i think uh quite a bit too
5:29fast from where we were in the election year i know it's been uh you
5:35know a year and and a few months but the whole plan was to bring
5:40criminal prosecutions against donald trump and lock him up why would anyone think that they
5:45would just be bringing prosecutions against trump and not trying to ensnare if you're going
5:49to lock up a former president why not try to lock up his advisors why
5:53not try to lock up people around him and we know even like a i
5:59forget like a facilities manager at mar -a -lago at one point was included in
6:02one of the indictments these democrats were were on a ruthless rampage of political uh
6:10retribution against trump the retribution just for him having been president for four years i
6:15mean they really were after him and i think we've forgotten because it did get
6:20a bit uh the escalation of trump taking a bullet in the ear and then
6:26another guy hiding in the woods and you saw exactly where that was and how
6:29close that was and that he got a rifle there and they had to shoot
6:33at this guy to stop him it was the second would -be assassin of trump
6:36i know we just had a guy with a shotgun now trump wasn't at mar
6:39-a -lago then but it just goes to show you there's still crazies out there
6:42trying to uh trying to assassinate this president because trump took a bullet in the
6:47ear we forget that it was completely normalized among democrats to weaponize the justice system
6:53and try to lock trump up it wasn't just oh we're gonna we're gonna illicitly
6:58remove him from the ballot another thing that they tried to do that everyone seems
7:02to have when i say forgotten i just mean it it's not talked about anymore
7:07it's remember they tried to take him off the ballot in multiple well certainly in
7:12colorado and and we're early stage in this in maine but they actually wanted to
7:16put this guy in a prison cell yeah that was the plan here and and
7:20i just think that so when you read this stuff clay i think there's even
7:23more that we don't know about that's going to come to light about the surveillance
7:27state abuses and there's also reports and look you and i told everybody that this
7:32was going on that our good friend fanny willis from atlanta was traveling to dc
7:38to uh coordinate her charges that she was bringing against president trump and we talked
7:45about this a lot but i know it's easy to forget their plan and it
7:49was foiled by thankfully judges who actually applied the law but their plan was to
7:55keep president trump in courtrooms they started in new york city they wanted to have
8:01him in atlanta they wanted to have him in washington dc they wanted to have
8:05him in south florida their plan was to keep president trump in courtrooms for the
8:12entirety of the 2024 political cycle that was their concerted effort they wanted him to
8:18jump from one courtroom to another they wanted to imprison him for the rest of
8:22his life they wanted to bankrupt him and instead i do think we didn't even
8:27mention this yesterday on the show and i and and i think some of you
8:30sometimes i think buck because of our age we don't notice things that other people
8:37who are older than us do trump stood up and spoke for nearly two hours
8:43at 80 years old in the front of that state of the union and showed
8:49no ill effects at all i do think it's worth constantly reminding people of the
8:55difference between joe biden and president trump just from a physical uh and mental capacity
9:03uh i was with my parents uh yesterday they are both 81 about to be
9:0882 uh and they were saying hey you know you should you should point out
9:13that president trump is 80 years old and he's doing that uh and just how
9:17remarkable it is for that context and i think for a lot of you that
9:22are in your 70s or certainly for those of you have been fortunate enough to
9:25reach your 80s even people who are retired and in their 60s they may understand
9:30the energy and uh and and and and requirements on that that frankly you and
9:35i might not and and i do think that's pretty extraordinary i recently had to
9:40do clay a uh a commercial of sorts because you know got a lot of
9:45got a lot of hats a lot of things going on speaking of hats number
9:49four in the new york times bestseller list it's not really a hat congratulations there
9:54we go thank you everyone for i want there to be an investigation into john
9:59meacham ending up in in front of you on absolute absolute nonsense total is this
10:05like biden getting 81 million votes there's just no way because i i know his
10:10amazon ranking so somehow i mean i know that they push his book at every
10:15um i mean i we crushed him on amazon we talked about this yeah which
10:20is where about 80 to 80 something percent of books are sold on amazon he
10:24wasn't even top 10 on amazon after the first couple of days but he's number
10:28three in the new york times bestseller list really really uh uh someone explain that
10:32to me i know they built like shrines to him everywhere because he's a smug
10:36lib they built shrines to him in these little bookstores with the purple -haired nose
10:41-ringed uh you know left -wing kamala voters but i don't think that's enough to
10:47make up for the deficit on uh unless they were doing bulk but now yeah
10:51there's all these games they played you They go, oh, well, there were bulk buys.
10:55By the way, I didn't have any major bulk buys because they put a little
10:57thing next to you, a little life or something.
11:00A dagger of death. I didn't have bulk buys.
11:03I just had people like you, thank you, buying the book.
11:06And I still love my favorite thing is the review that I'm getting from people
11:09where they're saying it's actually really good and there's real research in it, which is
11:15sort of like this is a little bit like when Clay bench pressed 225 10
11:18times and people are like, wow, Clay actually can bench press.
11:21It's a lot of surprises.
11:23Like, why is that so surprising, everybody?
11:25But it's a similar vibe.
11:27I think it is to be fair.
11:29I think a lot of people have come to recognize that most people who are
11:34famous and famous is being defined broadly here, famous enough to write a book, like
11:4090 % of them do not write their books, right?
11:43Oh, yeah, of course. If you go and look.
11:45And I think people are getting smart enough to recognize that.
11:48So not only did we write them, we also recorded, you can get the audio
11:53book of Manufacturing Delusion, which is entirely read by you as well.
11:57Yes, indeed. Thank you. Oh, but going back to hats, other than the book, which
12:00is a New York Times bestseller, yay, go get your copy, Manufacturing Delusion.
12:04It's actually a good book.
12:05I should put that on the cover.
12:07It's actually a good book.
12:08You will enjoy it because of all the surprise people have when they read it.
12:11And there's really cool history and you'll learn some interesting things.
12:15But I did an infomercial, basically, like a commercial, you know, got to pay bills.
12:20Where's this going to air?
12:22You don't need to wear the internet.
12:24I just want to know, am I going to look up on television and just
12:27see you doing a commercial?
12:29I mean, it's not quite ShamWow, but it was stuff, you know.
12:33It's a very nice product.
12:34Sometimes Buckster's got to hustle.
12:36The point is, I had to stand up for, like, over an hour.
12:40I had to change my shirt just from being standing in the lights and everything
12:44else, whatever. So Trump being up there, because I got so wet, they were like,
12:48you're leaking. I mean, I was just, like, having a rough time there.
12:52So Trump standing up and doing the speech as long as he did, I have
12:55tremendous respect for that because standing and talking, believe it or not, is tiring.
13:01In fact, sitting and talking for three hours.
13:03I know you're all taking out your small violins, but it is kind of tiring.
13:08Two hours standing up there for an 80 -year -old.
13:11I do not think very many people could have done that.
13:15And we actually now are starting to see some of the results that are coming
13:20in. And let me make sure that I get the one that I wanted to
13:25have here. CNN, as we told you, would likely be the case.
13:30If you just watched and you said, hey, you know what?
13:33I want to objectively watch this and see what I think.
13:39It was the most patriotic, pro -America State of the Union that we have seen
13:44in a very, very long time.
13:45And here was cut five.
13:47CNN admitting the President Trump surged 10 points during his address.
13:52Cut five. Look at the growth President Trump made over the speech.
13:56So pre -speech, it was 54 % of speech watchers said his policies will move
14:01the U .S. in the right direction.
14:02After the speech, that number goes up 10 percentage points.
14:06So Donald Trump made some progress with people watching the speech from their pre -speech
14:10expectations to what they saw in the speech itself.
14:13And that 64 % number, that's pretty much in range across all of his State
14:18of the Union addresses. In his first term, last year, the joint session, that's about
14:22what we've seen is roughly two -thirds have walked away from his speeches thinking he's
14:26going to move it in the right direction.
14:28Yeah, look, and I think that's a credit to Trump.
14:31Now, a lot of people who watch State of the Unions already agree with the
14:36President. You know, there's not as much hate -watching necessarily.
14:41But for the persuadable middle out there, that was, I thought, a very significant result
14:48going on. By the way, if you're out there and you're thinking, okay, 2028, voting
14:54is underway. Buck, Tuesday is the Texas primary.
14:58We're going to have a lot of the Texas primary people on, but this will
15:03be, I think, the first real test.
15:05If you're listening to us in Texas, which I think is our number one state
15:09in the whole country in terms of audience, you've got to get out and vote.
15:13These are big decisions that you're making, particularly on the Senate side.
15:17I've got to tell you, I'm seeing some numbers that show you've been a little
15:22dismissive of our lady, Ms.
15:24Jasmine Crockett. I would love if our lady, Jasmine Crockett, won the Democrat nomination.
15:32She is not. It is not.
15:33The Tallarico campaign, it's not a joke, man.
15:36She's within five points, which is clearly a doable situation.
15:42This is what I'm hearing.
15:43This is what I'm being told, that she's in striking now.
15:46How many of our listeners do you think, Buck, how many of our listeners do
15:52you think, in fact, I'll open up the phone lines, we will give you immunity,
15:56are diehard Republicans and they're voting for Jasmine Crockett in the Texas primary?
16:01You mean Russia's Operation Chaos continues on?
16:05Is Operation Chaos underway right now in Texas, where a lot of people, look, very
16:13competitive, three great candidates, I would say, on the Republican side.
16:19Jasmine Crockett. I think this one is interesting.
16:22We'll open it up phone lines.
16:24You can also talk back.
16:25Are you voting for Jasmine Crockett as a Republican to help her be the nominee?
16:31Just curious. If it's going to be tight, that would be fascinating.
16:34So as I mentioned, I guess I can do a little Trump dance because the
16:38book is on the New York Times bestseller list.
16:40But it has meant a lot of media.
16:44And I'm quite tired because unlike Clay, I get tired.
16:47I can't do media 24 hours a day.
16:49I don't know. He's like freakishly capable of doing media all day long.
16:53I actually need a nap.
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18:34The Emmy -winning comedy Scrubs is all new.
18:36This is a whole new chapter for me.
18:38No more sad sack. That's what I'm talking about.
18:40I want both of our sacks to be fun.
18:43You two idiots are perfect for each other.
18:44From executive producers of Ted Lasso and Shrinking.
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18:49Now get those nachos out of the preemie warmer.
18:52Nachos! Feels like there's more applause for the nachos than my speech.
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19:02Joining us now, the chairman of the FCC, Brendan Carr, came on last week, I
19:08believe, to talk about the late night TV battle.
19:12And the fact, I think you saw that.
19:15We'll start there because the primary is Tuesday.
19:18It feels to me like that was a clear attempt to help James Tallarico in
19:24the battle against Jasmine Crockett and that the media was not smart enough to see
19:29what was going on in the way that that played out.
19:32And I think it's become even clearer since because Tallarico raised $2 .4 million and
19:40the YouTube video got watched way more than if he had just been a guest.
19:45Nobody would have cared. Nobody would have noticed.
19:47And unless I'm wrong, Jasmine Crockett still hasn't gotten an invite yet to appear on
19:52the Colbert show. Yeah, look, I think you nailed it.
19:57Great to be with you again.
19:58This was a really interesting story where one Democrat candidate tried to create a hoax
20:05to get clicks and views and money over another Democrat candidate in the primary.
20:10And so much of their traditional legacy media just played right into it.
20:16They're more than happy to do it.
20:17What's interesting, though, is there's now reporting that a number of TV stations in Texas,
20:23not the CBS ones, but actually Disney -affiliated ones, have filed equal time notices with
20:29the FCC, saying that because of Tallarico's appearance on The View, which happened a couple
20:34weeks ago, they're offering the opportunity for any other legally qualified candidate, including the Crockett
20:40campaign, to reach out and get comparable time and placement.
20:43So we'll see if that happens, but it's an interesting development that you've got Texas
20:46TV stations saying or appearing to say that, yeah, The View is not bonafide news
20:51programming. Well, and I want to build on that for a second because I know
20:55you're going to talk about a new story that we're super fascinated about here, too.
21:00But the idea, we've got a super competitive Texas primary.
21:04We started talking about that on Tuesday, and we will soon have a nominee on
21:09the Republican side, Democrat side.
21:10As these primaries play out, would it be your suggestion, contention under equal time, based
21:17on the way we have seen these late -night shows rig super left -wing guests
21:22without offering an opportunity for the other side, that post -primary, the equal time doctrine
21:29could be in play for, if you're going to have on a Senate candidate, let's
21:33say from Texas, who's the Democrat nominee, to me it's even more incumbent then that
21:38you should offer equal time to the Republican candidate.
21:42Because I think what we'll see is some of these shows, Colbert and Kimmel certainly,
21:47where they have... have a lot of these guys on for the midterms on the
21:50Democrat side and don't give any opportunities at all to Republicans.
21:55I think that's exactly what we could see happen here.
21:57So remember, Congress passed this law.
21:59It wasn't me. It was Congress itself.
22:02And Congress was worried. They did not want media gatekeepers to be able to put
22:06their thumb on the scale for one candidate or one political party.
22:10What they wanted was for individual voters to be able to make their own mind
22:14up. And so if you're not a bona fide news program and you have a
22:18legally qualified candidate on, then you have to offer comparable time and placement to all
22:24others. And that empowers individuals.
22:26It's not a censorship provision.
22:27It doesn't stop you from having anybody on.
22:29And in fact, you don't even have to have the other legally qualified candidate on.
22:33If Colbert has an issue with Jasmine Crockett, he doesn't have to interview her.
22:37But the TV stations do have to give her and other legally qualified candidates equal
22:42time. So the FCC has been clear.
22:44We're going to start insisting on this.
22:47And there's programs out there like The View, like The Late Show, that simply have
22:51not made the case to the FCC at this point that they qualify as a
22:55bona fide news program. Again, the key there is under the FCC's own test, are
22:59you motivated by partisan political motivations?
23:02Or are you really more of a straight news program that asks legitimate, hard -hitting
23:07questions? Commissioner, it's Buck. Thanks for being here with us.
23:10I have a question that certainly falls under your area, but it's a little bit
23:16of a different direction. It has to do with spectrum policy and expansion of the
23:21spectrum out there. I mean, essentially, with things like satellite -to -device connectivity, Elon's got
23:29all these SpaceX satellites up there now, and people are able to get their Internet
23:34directly from satellites. This is increasingly common, even something that we talk about in my
23:40little community here in Florida as an option.
23:42What role does the FCC play in streamlining, assisting, making sure that as these technologies
23:50become more available, basically, super fast, super reliable Internet everywhere, anywhere, anytime is a reality?
24:01Because I feel like we're getting closer to that technologically.
24:04The regulations obviously need to be kept up to that.
24:08Yeah, this is one area in particular where I'm really excited about what President Trump
24:13is accomplishing. You may recall back during the Biden years, Congress passed this $42 billion
24:18program to connect millions of Americans to the Internet, and not a single shovel's worth
24:23of dirt was turned, not a single home was connected.
24:26President Trump has come in and fundamentally transformed that program.
24:30We're going to start to see shovels in the ground very quickly here.
24:33At the same time, as you noted, Trump has been clear that we're going to
24:36get the airwaves out there to power this new generation of low -Earth orbit satellites.
24:41Starlink has this. Amazon's coming online with theirs.
24:44And so we're heading in a great direction right now in terms of more spectrum,
24:48increased connectivity, real competition. It's a good time to be a consumer.
24:53Prices right now are already down significantly year over year because we're getting more spectrum
24:58out there and more competition.
25:00Okay, let's go into something that's got me super fired up.
25:03Whatever you think about me, I'm in the 99th percentile for sports viewing.
25:08I watch sports all the time.
25:09I know you're a big sports fan, too.
25:12And it's not moving in a good direction.
25:14Put simply, everybody out there who's listening to us right now, in 2010, it was
25:20easier, it feels like, to watch your favorite team than it is in 2026.
25:24And the cost to do so has been skyrocketing.
25:28The number of streaming services, channels, everything else out there continues to grow.
25:33The consumer is paying more and getting less.
25:36That seems like a bad combination.
25:38What are you trying to do now as it pertains to sports rights and looking
25:43into this increased cost and not increased ability to consume product?
25:52Well, for decades, Americans love to sit down, turn on the TV, and just quickly
25:58find the game they wanted to watch.
26:00And in recent years, it's gotten a lot more complicated.
26:03People are going to sign up for bespoke streaming services.
26:06They can't find the game they want to watch.
26:08They're having to sign up for trials of one platform just to get a playoff
26:12game. And they've got to remember to cancel it down the road.
26:15And to your point, a lot of them are paying more out of pocket.
26:18And that's a problem. It's a real frustration.
26:20There's a role for the FCC here, too, though, because as sports are broadcast over
26:25the air on TV, that helps drive advertiser to local broadcasters.
26:30And that's what ends up funding local news and local reporting.
26:34So we're exploring this relationship between sports and broadcast.
26:39Because a lot of people don't know this, but many years ago, Congress passed a
26:42law, the Sports Broadcasting Act, that created antitrust exemptions for the sports leagues.
26:47And that law was passed when all of the games, if you weren't there in
26:51person, were broadcast for free over the year.
26:54And so as more and more games start to go behind paywalls, it starts to
26:57tug at some of the underpinnings of that sports broadcasting act.
27:02I think people are right to start to ask questions of, do we have the
27:05right regulatory framework right now?
27:09Okay, this is very specific, and I don't know how much attention you're paying to
27:12this, but 2029... The NFL can opt out of its existing contracts.
27:19NFL is the biggest sports league in America, clearly, in terms of audience.
27:23Right now, the games air over the air, free, in quotation marks, but on CBS,
27:30NBC, and Fox, right? So for a lot of people out there, they watch their
27:34favorite local team on CBS, NBC, and Fox.
27:37There is some talk that the NFL may decide to leave CBS, NBC, and Fox.
27:43Do you believe the FCC has an interest in the NFL airing on CBS, NBC,
27:50and Fox? Would the NFL, if they just pulled out and said, we're no longer
27:55going to air on those networks?
27:56I don't know, to your point, that broadcast television even can exist as a viable
28:02business, given how much money they make and audience they grow off of the NFL.
28:07Are you paying attention to that?
28:09Is there a role, given those games on CBS, NBC, and Fox?
28:14Yeah, this is one of the most significant features of broadcast TV right now.
28:20So much that local news and local reporting works, and there's funding for it because
28:24that great relationship between broadcasters and the NFL, as that contract comes due, if too
28:30many of those games start to go behind a paywall, it's a problem on many
28:33fronts. I think it's a problem for local news and for broadcasters.
28:36I think it's a problem for consumers, who will, I think, continue to be frustrated
28:40with an inability to find the games.
28:42And again, it starts to undermine some of the reasons why we have that Sports
28:46Broadcasting Act. Now, look, there's some good reasons that come from this as well.
28:49There are more games that are available now, so there is some upside.
28:52But there's a real consumer frustration.
28:54So I hope that the NFL ultimately finds the right balance where we still get
28:58these free -over -the -air games that helps grow the game.
29:00It brings additional audience to it.
29:03I just don't think it's a great thing if we see a critical mass start
29:06to go behind all sorts of different paywalls.
29:09Yeah, because, I mean, as a sports fan, if suddenly CBS, NBC, and Fox don't
29:14have games, then you're demanding, effectively, that everybody go subscribe, and it's not better for
29:20the consumer, I wouldn't think.
29:22So there's a role, in theory, because of where those games are for the FCC,
29:26and you're working through on that angle.
29:30Yeah, that's exactly right. We're working at all that.
29:32I mean, the very first sports game ever to be broadcast went back, I think,
29:37to the 1939 World's Fair in New York.
29:39It was a college baseball game, a barn burner that was won 2 -1 in
29:4310 innings. And Americans have just had so much fun over the years sitting down,
29:47grabbing a drink, bowl of chips, watching the game.
29:50It's just become a frustrating experience.
29:51There's so much in our lives right now that's frustrating that drives Americans apart.
29:55I do want to see us continue to have games on the air where lots
30:00of different Americans are being brought together.
30:01I think it's been a great, beneficial relationship for sports leagues, for broadcasters, but really
30:06for the American people. No doubt.
30:09We appreciate the time. FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr, if people are interested in this, what
30:13should they do to let you know their perspectives?
30:17The public notice that we just put up on the FCC's website, FCC .gov, I
30:22posted it out on X, and people can file their comments in that proceeding, and
30:26we're going to take a look at it.
30:28Awesome. We appreciate the time, sir.
30:30Keep up the good work.
30:31We'll talk to you again soon.
30:32Thanks much. Appreciate it. That's FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr.
30:37Super interesting story there, among many others.
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32:24Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
32:26Dr. Marty McCary is with us now.
32:27He is the Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.
32:30Dr. McCary, thanks for being here.
32:33Good to be with you guys.
32:35So we have so many questions to throw your way.
32:39And one of them that I wanted to ask you about actually has to do
32:43with... with the status of getting things expedited on the approval side of the equation
32:50here. Last time we talked to you, this was something that was a focus of
32:54yours and even using AI to move faster on this.
32:59What can you tell us about, now that we're a year in, tell us about
33:03the FDA approval pipeline being more efficient, moving faster, not delaying?
33:09I mean, I'm here in Florida and people are already talking all the time about
33:14Reddit True Tide, Doc, which is the next generation of GLP.
33:19This is all the rage down here.
33:21People are already talking. And I go, hold on, it's not even FDA approved yet.
33:24And a lot of people go, yeah, well, the FDA is slow.
33:27And I go, well, hold on a second.
33:29What's happening here? Is it going fast?
33:31Is it going faster? What's happening?
33:34Well, look, the FDA was slow.
33:36We have a very clear mission.
33:37More cures and meaningful treatments for the American people.
33:40And so we're doing things differently.
33:42We are cutting idle time.
33:44We're reducing red tape. And we have an announcement today of a new drug that
33:49was approved in 44 days.
33:51That's unheard of. Typically, it takes a year or so.
33:53And so we're doing things at Operation Warp Speed like speed.
33:57We need to treat every potential cure and powerful treatment for somebody who's suffering with
34:02that same level of urgency.
34:04So we're getting it done.
34:05Right now, we have the fastest approval times in U .S.
34:08government history. And we're going to be moving even faster without cutting any corners on
34:14quality or safety. I know you have an editorial that was up at the Wall
34:19Street Journal about how you're trying to move quickly.
34:23And in particular, with rare diseases.
34:25And this jumped out at me.
34:28Rare. I mean, we know certain diseases that impact tons of people.
34:31But this data, roughly 1 in 11 people are impacted by quote -unquote rare diseases,
34:37comes to about 30 million Americans.
34:40More common than asthma and type 1 diabetes combined is what you write.
34:46Sometimes those markets are challenging because it's harder for drug companies to make substantial sums
34:51of money when they don't have a huge audience necessarily to treat.
34:57What is the impact of the moves you've made there?
35:01Well, you're exactly right. When you add up the number of people with a rare
35:05disease, it's like 1 in 11 Americans.
35:08It's not actually rare. Now, the system was set up for common diseases at the
35:12FDA. But we're unleashing an entire sector of investment and research by creating incentives to
35:20work on rare diseases. Now, some incentives existed, but we were able to get the
35:25priority review voucher program, which creates market incentives, extends market exclusivity, expedites reviews, provides tax
35:34credits for clinical trials, signed by President Trump three weeks ago.
35:39But we're not stopping there.
35:40We have a new pathway called the plausible mechanism pathway, where if the mechanism of
35:45the drug sounds plausible and it's an ultra -rare disease, you don't need to do
35:49a randomized trial. It just doesn't make sense.
35:52And we also announced regulatory flexibilities.
35:54We want to see companies thrive.
35:57If you're working on a rare disease, we want to see you succeed.
36:01And what can you tell me, Doc, about – I was talking about GLP -1s
36:06before, which obviously is a huge new drug class, which has been approved with Ozempic
36:11and Wegovia and all these things.
36:12Something like 1 in 10 Americans, I think, have already tried these.
36:14There's all these other peptides that are all over the place, and some people think
36:19that this is an important part of the future of medicine.
36:22Now, I know that some of these are not FDA approved, but this is still
36:26in broad usage, and people talk about this stuff all the time.
36:30Things like BPC -157 for recovery.
36:33You'll see people talking about this online.
36:35Is the FDA going to look at these peptides, run studies on them?
36:40I'm just wondering where that stands because it seems like there's this big gray area
36:44right now of things that are certainly not banned but are not approved but are
36:49becoming in common usage because of the FDA's – the perception is the FDA's slowness
36:54to see what's already happening.
36:58Yeah, so first of all, people ask me, what do I think of peptides?
37:01And I point out that the term peptides is a big tent.
37:05It's like saying, what do you think about molecules?
37:08And there are some that are effective, some that are not effective, some that are
37:12unknown, and many that are safe.
37:15So we'd like to see the data.
37:17We'd like to see research go into a proper placebo -controlled trial so that people
37:21who are describing a benefit can have that benefit sort of codified in the medical
37:26literature, and other people can benefit from it.
37:29But we have not taken any restrictive actions on peptides unless they are direct copycats
37:35of drugs that other companies have put through the formal FDA process.
37:38And you gave the example of retitrutide, which is a new weight loss drug.
37:43There are copycat drugs out there while the Phase III clinical trial is still going
37:48on. And so we are going to take action when it is a sort of
37:52a knockoff of a drug that companies have put through the process properly.
37:56We get a lot of questions.
37:58We got a lot of questions.
37:59I'm just going to ask about food supply stuff now because that's obviously been a
38:03huge focus of RFK Jr., one of your colleagues here in the Maha movement, trying
38:10to get... improvements to, well, what's in the food supply, what the guidance is about
38:16this. How is the FDA playing into that these days?
38:21Well, look, we have never been taught, we have never talked in the medical establishment
38:26about the root causes of our chronic disease epidemic.
38:29Instead, we just blame patients for being sick.
38:32But it's not a willpower problem.
38:33We have to look at school lunch programs and the microbiome.
38:37And we rewrote the food pyramid because the open secret was that old food pyramid
38:42was corrupt. We're talking about the importance of protein that you get from foods like
38:46steak and other meats, poultry, fish, nuts.
38:50You don't need to tiptoe around natural, healthy fats in your diet.
38:55So we're telling people the truth.
38:57And it's going to inform all of the government purchasing that is done through SNAP
39:01and other programs in the Trump administration for the first time.
39:04We have SNAP waivers now.
39:05So taxpayer dollars don't have to go to sugary drinks and ultra -processed junk food.
39:10We're talking to FDA Commissioner Chair Marty McCary.
39:15One of the things we get asked about a lot, Buck's got a young son.
39:18I've got three kids. But this is a common topic among parents.
39:22Why do so many kids today have allergies?
39:26And what is causing that?
39:28I know you've kind of started to look into this.
39:31What should parents know? Well, there are some things every parent should know.
39:36But it is amazing, Clay, that when we were growing up, I don't remember a
39:41single person with a peanut or food allergy.
39:45And there was one person I met when I was young who had a food
39:49allergy, but it was mild.
39:51Look at where we are today.
39:52What happened? One in 10 kids now has a peanut or food allergy.
39:57Well, part of it may be something that's unknown, that is, changes to the microbiome.
40:02But the modern -day peanut and food allergy epidemic may have been ignited by bad
40:07advice from the medical establishment.
40:09About 25 years ago, the American Academy of Pediatrics told folks and disseminated across the
40:15country that kids should avoid peanut butter until they turn three.
40:18They thought that would reduce the risk of peanut allergies in the future, but they
40:23got it perfectly backwards. You reduce your risk of a peanut allergy later in life
40:28through early introduction, as soon as a kid can eat at five, six, seven months
40:33of age, early introduction and a sustained introduction of a little bit of peanut butter,
40:39a little bit of milk and eggs and other allergens.
40:43It's called immune tolerance, and every parent needs to know best practices on this, which
40:49is why we put together an FDA roundtable yesterday that parents can watch on this
40:53topic. Is there any reform that is underway to try to make it so that
41:00things can, I mean, I was talking about moving more quickly in this process, but
41:05just getting information out to people about what the FDA is looking at.
41:09I mean, obviously, you're on this show, and you're the commissioner, and a lot of
41:12people listen to this show, but I think that I get questions a lot, Dr.
41:16McCary. I'll just put it to you this way.
41:18You know, when's the FDA going to do this?
41:20In the next six months, are they looking at that?
41:22Are they still moving on this?
41:24How do people best find this stuff?
41:28Or things like immunizations, for example.
41:30I have so many listeners who want to know, are they looking into this?
41:35Are they going to have more recommendations about the immunization schedule?
41:38Things along those lines. How are you getting the information out there?
41:44Well, great question. I've been in office about 10 months, and we've announced 45 major
41:49reforms. We've had numerous roundtables where we're telling people the truth, like telling women the
41:55truth about hormone replacement therapy and the profound short - and long -term benefits.
41:59And there's actually a poll on the supply chain right now of hormone therapy.
42:04Since we've removed those scary black box warnings, we're doing it with testosterone.
42:08So many topics we're putting out there on our social media channels.
42:12People need to know the truth.
42:14And when it comes to peanut and food allergies, I want every parent to know
42:18that you can significantly, by over 80%, reduce the risk of your kid developing one
42:24of these allergies through early and sustained introduction.
42:27We got a little boy at home.
42:28He's about eight months old.
42:30We started introducing a little bit of peanut powder, a little bit of peanut butter,
42:35a little bit of milk, a little bit of eggs as early as five months.
42:39And that is critical in reducing the risk of allergies amidst this modern -day epidemic.
42:47What do you think, I know we've had you on a lot over the years
42:51surrounding COVID, and I know it's been six years now, and you were in the
42:56midst of all the COVID fight and everything else.
42:59But it feels like, to me, everybody just wants to pretend the whole COVID shot
43:04era never happened. That there weren't all these demands that you didn't have to carry
43:08around your papers. What is the, and COVID this winter seems to, I think the
43:13flu, you would know better than me, I think the flu has been more prevalent
43:17this winter, and it's actually been a pretty nasty flu than COVID even.
43:22You would know better than me as head of the FDA.
43:25Where are we now with COVID and the COVID shots and the interplay with the
43:30flu here in winter? Well, you're right.
43:34Influenza was much more common this current season.
43:38COVID, and the flu shot didn't work very well.
43:41It wasn't really a match for what was circulating out there.
43:45You know, Clay, I look back and what a disaster the public health response was
43:51to COVID. Shutting kids out of school for nearly two years, cloth masks on toddlers
43:57for three years, COVID boosters in perpetuity.
44:00I mean, they literally had a program here at the FDA to approve COVID boosters
44:06every year in perpetuity for young, healthy kids without any clinical trial data.
44:11We said we're getting back to gold standard science and we are keeping to Bobby
44:15Kennedy's promise. We're not going to take anyone's vaccines away, but you're seeing a significant
44:20renaissance now where people are recognizing where the risks are really are, what the core
44:25essential vaccines really are, and by and large, young, healthy people are not taking that
44:30COVID booster every year. What else is top?
44:34I mean, we've covered a lot here.
44:35Dr. McCary, whenever you come on our show, it's like the rapid fire because we
44:39just have a lot of questions and obviously we know you from when during COVID
44:43you were a voice of sanity amid so much craziness and so we have tremendous
44:47respect for what you did then and what you're trying to do now.
44:50But is there anything, just quite honestly, is there anything else that all the folks
44:55listening, a lot of parents, grandparents that you're working on that's a core goal of
45:02the FDA as long as you're in charge that they should know about?
45:07Well, thanks for asking, Buck.
45:09Look, I want to be very clear with everybody.
45:11We want to see a cure for type 1 diabetes in the current Trump administration.
45:16We want to see a powerful treatment for stage 4 cancer for certain GI cancers.
45:22There's a priority voucher that's been issued to an amazing treatment that melts cancer away
45:27in the GI tract for the 5 to 10 % of people with a certain
45:30mutation. We want to see a powerful treatment for PTSD.
45:35Many of our soldiers are still dying even though the wars are over.
45:39Our men and women are still dying.
45:40The battle is still raging in their minds.
45:42We owe it to them to have a powerful treatment.
45:45We're going to see what those clinical trials show and we'd like to see a
45:48universal flu shot so you don't have to guess every year what the strain is
45:52going to be and sometimes get it wrong like we did this year.
45:55You can get one shot for life that gives you broad protection without the annual
46:00flu roundup. How do we get Clay to be able to bench 315, Dr.
46:04McCary? Is there anything in the pipeline that can help Clay get to 315?
46:09Gosh, we could check his testosterone level, but I can't imagine he's low on it.
46:14But if he were, there we go, he might have some ideas.
46:17No, Clay is nodding in agreement.
46:19He's got no worries there, but 315 is pretty heavy.
46:22Our Secretary of War did it.
46:24I mean, that's a big, that's a big number.
46:26Well, Dr. McCary, I really appreciate you being with us.
46:28When I go to the gym, go ahead, go ahead.
46:31When I go to the gym, it's more like a rehab than it is a
46:33workout compared to what bucks.
46:36Yeah, I'm really, I'm more of, I'm turning into more of a stretching guy these
46:39days, Dr. McCary than a bench guy.
46:41You know, that's really trying to keep my back limber.
46:44So, yeah, doctor, appreciate you as always.
46:46Anytime, anything priority that we can help get the word out about what you're doing
46:50and Maha and FDA and everything else.
46:53Please just let us know.
46:54Good to talk to you.
46:56All right. Love you guys.
46:57Thanks a lot. That is Marty McCary doing great work.
47:00And I really am never going to forget how many few, how few the numbers
47:05were, Buck, of people that were in the trenches six years ago during COVID pointing
47:10out how crazy this is.
47:11And I still, I mean, I know it's been six years.
47:15Every time I fly, the number of people still wearing masks is it's staggering to
47:19me. Well, look at you, you random sports, bro.
47:22I was doing a political show.
47:23You're doing a sports show and produce a mock.
47:25Who's actually like a normal American who loves sports was like, you've got to find
47:29this sports guy named clay.
47:31And I was like, who?
47:32And he's like, clay, he's really good on masks.
47:35Clay, there were so few people who were good on masks that I had to
47:39go to the sports guy who knew that masks didn't work.
47:44I just, and here we are.
47:45I mean, I happily ever after.
47:47Yeah. But six years later, there's still a lot of people walking around in masks
47:52and it's like people forget about everything that we went through.
47:55And I'm still pretty radicalized.
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49:54back in clay travis buck sexton show some news for you something that went mega
49:59viral uh and we talked about on the program police officers being pelted by uh
50:05by bystanders during this big snowstorm in new york city they shared photos of the
50:11individuals that they were seeking to arrest uh this morning according to the nypd they
50:17arrested a man named guzman koulibaly that's my best guess 27 years old so they
50:23tried to say oh these were just kids 27 year old uh for assaulting officers
50:29he was one of the guys who had one of the big it wasn't even
50:31a snowball it was like an ice boulder almost um and we said on the
50:35program hey or i said i would bet a ton of money that whoever these
50:41guys were that they had criminal charges this wasn't it just you know i love
50:45when you make a long long shot call this was a this was a 10
50:48to 1 in your favor buddy so the guy was arrested and what do you
50:54think he had of course a previous arrest record less than three weeks ago he
51:00was arrested for attempted robbery on the transit system again if you are the kind
51:08of person to see a police officer and think i want to pelt these officers
51:14with snowballs and continue to do so uh then you are the kind of person
51:20who likely has engaged in criminal behavior in the past but again nypd has officially
51:27arrested this guy now we'll see how soon uh mom donnie lets him out and
51:31whether there is any um uh any actual process here but again 27 they tried
51:38to say we played this cut mayor mom donnie said oh these are just little
51:43kids in a snowball fight 27 year old who had been arrested for armed robbery
51:48probably shouldn't have been out on the street anyway um and uh he has now
51:54been arrested so i hope mom donnie will speak out and say you know i
51:58didn't handle this as well as i could have but i doubt that he will
52:02there are reports however that mom donnie is meeting with president trump in the oval
52:08office today so there is a possibility that he could be asked about this arrest
52:15because i would imagine buck that the president and mom donnie might have another one
52:19of those joint press conferences reports that the two of them are going to work
52:24on trying to build more housing in new york city which would theoretically bring down
52:29the overall cost of rent uh and uh and other uh aspects associated with residential
52:36cost there so that news is out there as we get ready to go into
52:40the uh third hour here look bringing down the cost of building residential units because
52:50that's really you're not really talking so much about single family home in new york
52:53you're gonna be talking about apartment complexes bringing down that cost would be a remarkably
52:59wise thing to do the cost clay in specifically new york state or i should
53:05say new york city and then across the whole state of california the additional costs
53:10of building places to live that have nothing to do with yes lumber contract work
53:16like just the environmental crap the regulatory nonsense the tax burden all this it is
53:22astronomical yes astronomical and what people say is they go oh well the rents are
53:27so high it's a market the rents are high because there's supply and demand and
53:31people want to live in these places yeah and they have such zoning restrictions that
53:36they will not allow additional housing to be created um artificial scarcity and demand that's
53:42right demand it's just supply demand i mean we're not reinventing the wheel here and
53:46remember when they criticized jd vance when he said hey you know if we had
53:49fewer illegal immigrants it would mean costs would come down for overall rent guess what
53:56cost in many different places are starting to come down uh when we come back
54:01new jersey stood up and said stop picking on the u .s men's hockey team
54:08gold medalist we've got some fun reaction to that uh also uh can we get
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