Trump Witness Quickly Collapses Under Cross Exam at Hearing!!
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1:00Finally, this is how it's done.
1:00Finally, this is how it's done.
1:02Democrats in the House and Senate cross -examining Donald Trump's director from the Office of
1:02Democrats in the House and Senate cross -examining Donald Trump's director from the Office of
1:08Management and Budget and the author of Project 2025, Russ Vogt.
1:08Management and Budget and the author of Project 2025, Russ Vogt.
1:14After Vogt had dodged any congressional hearing since the beginning of Donald Trump's term, he
1:14After Vogt had dodged any congressional hearing since the beginning of Donald Trump's term, he
1:21finally came to testify, and he arrived, and he was prepared to just spew his
1:21finally came to testify, and he arrived, and he was prepared to just spew his
1:26MAGA talking points and say, Donald Trump is the king of affordability.
1:26MAGA talking points and say, Donald Trump is the king of affordability.
1:32Look how great the American people have it.
1:32Look how great the American people have it.
1:35Prices are going down. Things are amazing.
1:35Prices are going down. Things are amazing.
1:38Well, that's his script, but fortunately, the Democrats took him off that script and started
1:38Well, that's his script, but fortunately, the Democrats took him off that script and started
1:45doing some incredible cross -examination, really exposing what a despicable human being he is and
1:45doing some incredible cross -examination, really exposing what a despicable human being he is and
1:52making him look quite pathetic during his testimony.
1:52making him look quite pathetic during his testimony.
1:56So first, I want to show you the talking points that he was trying to
1:56So first, I want to show you the talking points that he was trying to
2:00spew, just for a quick moment, so you see how he started off and then,
2:00spew, just for a quick moment, so you see how he started off and then,
2:03boom, Democrats came in hard.
2:03boom, Democrats came in hard.
2:06So he says, you know, look, what we've seen is an explosion of affordability.
2:06So he says, you know, look, what we've seen is an explosion of affordability.
2:11The author and architect of Project 2025 saying, right now, as Americans can't afford anything,
2:11The author and architect of Project 2025 saying, right now, as Americans can't afford anything,
2:17groceries, gas, rent, people are struggling, inflation is surging, and here is what the MAGA
2:17groceries, gas, rent, people are struggling, inflation is surging, and here is what the MAGA
2:24Architect of Project 2025 said.
2:24Architect of Project 2025 said.
2:27Play this clip. This particular budget committee has not.
2:27Play this clip. This particular budget committee has not.
2:31They have been successful in conjunction with the President of the United States.
2:31They have been successful in conjunction with the President of the United States.
2:35I hope that continues. We're in the midst of passing and we passed the extension
2:35I hope that continues. We're in the midst of passing and we passed the extension
2:42of the President's tax cuts.
2:42of the President's tax cuts.
2:43Many of those were aimed at working class individuals.
2:43Many of those were aimed at working class individuals.
2:46They're now going through their first season of seeing what changes that will make on
2:46They're now going through their first season of seeing what changes that will make on
2:52their bottom line, and I think that's going to lead to an explosion in affordability
2:52their bottom line, and I think that's going to lead to an explosion in affordability
2:57for the American people. And then Democratic Congresswoman Ballin went in and she was saying,
2:57for the American people. And then Democratic Congresswoman Ballin went in and she was saying,
3:03look, it seems pretty obvious to me that your entire strategy here is to take
3:03look, it seems pretty obvious to me that your entire strategy here is to take
3:08revenge on blue states. And anyone who doesn't vote for Donald Trump, you're using your
3:08revenge on blue states. And anyone who doesn't vote for Donald Trump, you're using your
3:14position as the director of the Office of Management and Budget to punish them and
3:14position as the director of the Office of Management and Budget to punish them and
3:18to try to inflict pain.
3:18to try to inflict pain.
3:20Watch as he tries to squirm and she doesn't let him.
3:20Watch as he tries to squirm and she doesn't let him.
3:23Here, play this clip. It did $7 .6 billion in clean energy grants based on
3:23Here, play this clip. It did $7 .6 billion in clean energy grants based on
3:29whether the recipient lived in a blue state.
3:29whether the recipient lived in a blue state.
3:31Yes or no? I don't recall what that judge said, but we have not made
3:31Yes or no? I don't recall what that judge said, but we have not made
3:35the determinations based on whether the state is.
3:35the determinations based on whether the state is.
3:38In fact, Mr. Vogt, on January 12, 2026, U .S.
3:38In fact, Mr. Vogt, on January 12, 2026, U .S.
3:42judge Amit Mehta said, quote, quote, defendants, meaning you, Mr.
3:42judge Amit Mehta said, quote, quote, defendants, meaning you, Mr.
3:46Vogt, freely admit that they made grant determination decisions primarily, if not exclusively, based on
3:46Vogt, freely admit that they made grant determination decisions primarily, if not exclusively, based on
3:53whether the awardee resided in a state whose citizens voted for President Trump in 2024.
3:53whether the awardee resided in a state whose citizens voted for President Trump in 2024.
3:59Mr. Vogt, yes or no?
3:59Mr. Vogt, yes or no?
4:01Federal judges said OMB's freeze of $10 billion in child care and family assistance funding,
4:01Federal judges said OMB's freeze of $10 billion in child care and family assistance funding,
4:07quote, appeared designed to punish communities that the administration agreed with.
4:07quote, appeared designed to punish communities that the administration agreed with.
4:13Yes or no? Was that something that federal judges said about you and your leadership?
4:13Yes or no? Was that something that federal judges said about you and your leadership?
4:17I think the judge's characterization is getting at the degree to which we are focused
4:17I think the judge's characterization is getting at the degree to which we are focused
4:21on states that we think are mismanaged.
4:21on states that we think are mismanaged.
4:23Okay, that is not, in fact, the case.
4:23Okay, that is not, in fact, the case.
4:25In fact, U .S. District Judge Trina Thompson found the administration broke the law and
4:25In fact, U .S. District Judge Trina Thompson found the administration broke the law and
4:30froze funds as a politically motivated move disguised as fraud prevention.
4:30froze funds as a politically motivated move disguised as fraud prevention.
4:36So your characterization actually is false.
4:36So your characterization actually is false.
4:39Other courts have said that withholding congressionally approved funding is, quote, vindictive and unlawful.
4:39Other courts have said that withholding congressionally approved funding is, quote, vindictive and unlawful.
4:46Courts have found that freezing funds create, quote, irreparable harm against the American people.
4:46Courts have found that freezing funds create, quote, irreparable harm against the American people.
4:51And the GAO, the government accountability office, the watchdog agency that investigates how federal agencies
4:51And the GAO, the government accountability office, the watchdog agency that investigates how federal agencies
4:58spend taxpayer dollars, has reported that you broke the law multiple times.
4:58spend taxpayer dollars, has reported that you broke the law multiple times.
5:04And they have said that you have refused to spend money that was dedicated for
5:04And they have said that you have refused to spend money that was dedicated for
5:10Americans. And they have said that you have refused to pay for Americans.
5:10Americans. And they have said that you have refused to pay for Americans.
5:11The Constitution gives Congress, Congress the power to spend money and not the president.
5:11The Constitution gives Congress, Congress the power to spend money and not the president.
5:18Mr. Vote, your actions clearly show that you want to cut federal funds from anyone
5:18Mr. Vote, your actions clearly show that you want to cut federal funds from anyone
5:24who didn't vote for Donald Trump.
5:24who didn't vote for Donald Trump.
5:26Are you trying to get revenge on states that did not vote for your boss?
5:26Are you trying to get revenge on states that did not vote for your boss?
5:32No, of course not. What's interesting about the question is that Joe Biden withheld federal
5:32No, of course not. What's interesting about the question is that Joe Biden withheld federal
5:37funding for the wall. Oh, for goodness sakes, can we please bring it back to
5:37funding for the wall. Oh, for goodness sakes, can we please bring it back to
5:39my question? It was a yes or no question.
5:39my question? It was a yes or no question.
5:41Are you trying to get revenge against blue states because they did not support the
5:41Are you trying to get revenge against blue states because they did not support the
5:48president? Courts have said that, in fact, you did do that.
5:48president? Courts have said that, in fact, you did do that.
5:54That, in fact, you are being vindictive.
5:54That, in fact, you are being vindictive.
5:56In fact, you are punishing because of political persuasions.
5:56In fact, you are punishing because of political persuasions.
6:00It's not members of Congress who suffer when you do an end run around Congress.
6:00It's not members of Congress who suffer when you do an end run around Congress.
6:05That's not what I'm angry about.
6:05That's not what I'm angry about.
6:07It's not about you taking the power away from us.
6:07It's not about you taking the power away from us.
6:09It's that it's their money.
6:09It's that it's their money.
6:12It's their power of the people, by the people and for the people.
6:12It's their power of the people, by the people and for the people.
6:16The House is closest to the people.
6:16The House is closest to the people.
6:19So when you do an end run around Congress, you're taking Americans power.
6:19So when you do an end run around Congress, you're taking Americans power.
6:22Next, I'll show you Democratic Senator Merkley, who says, why don't you tell us how
6:22Next, I'll show you Democratic Senator Merkley, who says, why don't you tell us how
6:28expensive this war in Iran has been?
6:28expensive this war in Iran has been?
6:30Do you know the figures?
6:30Do you know the figures?
6:32Do you know how much money the United tell us?
6:32Do you know how much money the United tell us?
6:35That's your role. You are literally the director of the Office of Management and Budget.
6:35That's your role. You are literally the director of the Office of Management and Budget.
6:38How expensive is the war?
6:38How expensive is the war?
6:40The American people demand to know.
6:40The American people demand to know.
6:42And guess what? Russ vote frozen.
6:42And guess what? Russ vote frozen.
6:45Did not even know how to answer the war.
6:45Did not even know how to answer the war.
6:47I don't know. I can't tell you how much it is.
6:47I don't know. I can't tell you how much it is.
6:49Here, play this clip. Would I be in the ballpark to say we've already spent
6:49Here, play this clip. Would I be in the ballpark to say we've already spent
6:53at least $50 billion? I wouldn't want to make a characterization of that at this
6:53at least $50 billion? I wouldn't want to make a characterization of that at this
6:58point. OK. I would say as the most knowledgeable person in the executive branch of
6:58point. OK. I would say as the most knowledgeable person in the executive branch of
7:04the budget, I would expect you to have pretty good numbers on that.
7:04the budget, I would expect you to have pretty good numbers on that.
7:07So I'm a little disappointed in that answer.
7:07So I'm a little disappointed in that answer.
7:10Next up, Democratic Senator Murray.
7:10Next up, Democratic Senator Murray.
7:12Here's what she had to say.
7:12Here's what she had to say.
7:14Play this clip. You and President Trump are asking for $450 billion in new defense
7:14Play this clip. You and President Trump are asking for $450 billion in new defense
7:21spending. To be clear, that is the largest increase since World War II, and that
7:21spending. To be clear, that is the largest increase since World War II, and that
7:27does not include money that you reportedly still plan to request for the war in
7:27does not include money that you reportedly still plan to request for the war in
7:31Iran. What is the total dollar amount requested for defense spending in FY27, including annual
7:31Iran. What is the total dollar amount requested for defense spending in FY27, including annual
7:38appropriations and reconciliation funds? $1 .5 trillion, Senator, a combination between the appropriations and the
7:38appropriations and reconciliation funds? $1 .5 trillion, Senator, a combination between the appropriations and the
7:45mandatory. We are trying to increase the amount that you would fund through the appropriations,
7:45mandatory. We are trying to increase the amount that you would fund through the appropriations,
7:50but we don't want the full increase to have to be borne in the appropriations
7:50but we don't want the full increase to have to be borne in the appropriations
7:54process. So $1 .5 trillion.
7:54process. So $1 .5 trillion.
7:56What is the total dollar amount requested for non -defense spending?
7:56What is the total dollar amount requested for non -defense spending?
8:01$660 billion. OK. And what is the overall cut to non -defense programs that you're
8:01$660 billion. OK. And what is the overall cut to non -defense programs that you're
8:07proposing? 10%. $70 billion. $70 billion.
8:07proposing? 10%. $70 billion. $70 billion.
8:09We look at that as about $81 billion, frankly.
8:09We look at that as about $81 billion, frankly.
8:13So let me just say this.
8:13So let me just say this.
8:14Director Vogt, you count yourself as a spending hawk.
8:14Director Vogt, you count yourself as a spending hawk.
8:18And here you are arguing for a gobsmacking $1 .5 trillion defense budget.
8:18And here you are arguing for a gobsmacking $1 .5 trillion defense budget.
8:25I read that you disagreed with the president on that $1 .5 trillion request, warning
8:25I read that you disagreed with the president on that $1 .5 trillion request, warning
8:31him that it would explode the deficit.
8:31him that it would explode the deficit.
8:33Did you warn the president or administration officials that spending this much on defense would
8:33Did you warn the president or administration officials that spending this much on defense would
8:38explode the deficit? Senator, I fully support this budget.
8:38explode the deficit? Senator, I fully support this budget.
8:411 .5 trillion, right? These are the people who refer to themselves as, I'm a
8:411 .5 trillion, right? These are the people who refer to themselves as, I'm a
8:47fiscal hawk. I'm a hawk, right?
8:47fiscal hawk. I'm a hawk, right?
8:50The hawk. I'm a deficit hawk.
8:50The hawk. I'm a deficit hawk.
8:52No, you're not. You're a bunch of Bernie Madoff frauds on steroids is what you
8:52No, you're not. You're a bunch of Bernie Madoff frauds on steroids is what you
8:57are. $1 .5 trillion to the military, a 40 % increase year over year, and
8:57are. $1 .5 trillion to the military, a 40 % increase year over year, and
9:03like a 90 % increase from three years ago.
9:03like a 90 % increase from three years ago.
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10:28you. Next up, you have Democratic Congress member Coleman.
10:28you. Next up, you have Democratic Congress member Coleman.
10:32Take a look at what went down.
10:32Take a look at what went down.
10:33What would you say right now to the mothers of the kids who died because
10:33What would you say right now to the mothers of the kids who died because
10:39of our... you're dismantling of U .S.
10:39of our... you're dismantling of U .S.
10:41aid. Harvard's study says there are more than 100 ,000 of them.
10:41aid. Harvard's study says there are more than 100 ,000 of them.
10:47Can you give me a quick response to what you would say to those mothers?
10:47Can you give me a quick response to what you would say to those mothers?
10:51Just don't talk to me about the study.
10:51Just don't talk to me about the study.
10:53Talk to me about how you, what you would say to the mothers of the
10:53Talk to me about how you, what you would say to the mothers of the
10:57children who died. Congressman, with great respect, I would just contest that the extent to
10:57children who died. Congressman, with great respect, I would just contest that the extent to
11:02which institutions that benefit from federal large acts put out studies that say that the
11:02which institutions that benefit from federal large acts put out studies that say that the
11:09world has ended, that the world has not, in fact, ended.
11:09world has ended, that the world has not, in fact, ended.
11:12Well, it's going there. We only cut USAID spending last year to the tune of
11:12Well, it's going there. We only cut USAID spending last year to the tune of
11:17about $8 billion. There was far more that we could have done, Congressman.
11:17about $8 billion. There was far more that we could have done, Congressman.
11:20And you have Democratic Senator Cain going in with some great cross -exam.
11:20And you have Democratic Senator Cain going in with some great cross -exam.
11:25Let's play it. There's been some discussion about the bill that the DHS funding bill
11:25Let's play it. There's been some discussion about the bill that the DHS funding bill
11:29that the Senate passed unanimously now twice.
11:29that the Senate passed unanimously now twice.
11:32The House, the votes are there.
11:32The House, the votes are there.
11:34The House to pass it.
11:34The House to pass it.
11:35The leadership will not take it up.
11:35The leadership will not take it up.
11:36You were before the House yesterday.
11:36You were before the House yesterday.
11:38Did you encourage the House to finally pass the DHS bill?
11:38Did you encourage the House to finally pass the DHS bill?
11:41My interaction, we want the bill passed.
11:41My interaction, we want the bill passed.
11:43My interactions yesterday were to remind one side of the aisle.
11:43My interactions yesterday were to remind one side of the aisle.
11:47But you do want the bill passed.
11:47But you do want the bill passed.
11:49We want the bill passed.
11:49We want the bill passed.
11:49Did you say that during the hearing yesterday?
11:49Did you say that during the hearing yesterday?
11:51I wasn't asked it. Well, you said a lot of things during the hearing.
11:51I wasn't asked it. Well, you said a lot of things during the hearing.
11:54If it was a priority for the administration.
11:54If it was a priority for the administration.
11:56In response to Democratic politicians that were saying that we were responsible for the shutdown.
11:56In response to Democratic politicians that were saying that we were responsible for the shutdown.
12:00Hold on. Hold on. Our shutdown?
12:00Hold on. Hold on. Our shutdown?
12:01Hold on. You had the opportunity to tell the House yesterday to pass a bill
12:01Hold on. You had the opportunity to tell the House yesterday to pass a bill
12:06that you say you support that 100 percent of the Senate supports and you didn't
12:06that you say you support that 100 percent of the Senate supports and you didn't
12:10bring it up. And that's fascinating.
12:10bring it up. And that's fascinating.
12:11Senator, you had the opportunity to find DHS without a month's shutdown.
12:11Senator, you had the opportunity to find DHS without a month's shutdown.
12:15Congresswoman Jayapal did a great job at this hearing play this clip.
12:15Congresswoman Jayapal did a great job at this hearing play this clip.
12:18Do you know, Mr. Vote, how many of the largest corporations in America paid absolutely
12:18Do you know, Mr. Vote, how many of the largest corporations in America paid absolutely
12:23nothing in federal income tax in 2025?
12:23nothing in federal income tax in 2025?
12:27Not off the top of my head, but our view is that the tax policy...
12:27Not off the top of my head, but our view is that the tax policy...
12:30Well, let me just tell you, let me just tell you, Mr.
12:30Well, let me just tell you, let me just tell you, Mr.
12:33Vote, reclaiming my time, let me just tell you the number of corporations, large corporations,
12:33Vote, reclaiming my time, let me just tell you the number of corporations, large corporations,
12:38that paid absolutely zero in federal tax was 88 at least that we know of,
12:38that paid absolutely zero in federal tax was 88 at least that we know of,
12:45including Tesla, which paid zero on almost $5 .7 billion of income, as well as
12:45including Tesla, which paid zero on almost $5 .7 billion of income, as well as
12:52Coinbase, Citigroup, CVS Health, and Palantir.
12:52Coinbase, Citigroup, CVS Health, and Palantir.
12:55Now, the Democrat ranking member, meaning the Democrats leader of the budget committee who will
12:55Now, the Democrat ranking member, meaning the Democrats leader of the budget committee who will
13:01become the chair if the Democrats take control of the House, Congressmember Boyle.
13:01become the chair if the Democrats take control of the House, Congressmember Boyle.
13:06You've seen him on the Midas Touch Network a few times.
13:06You've seen him on the Midas Touch Network a few times.
13:09Take a listen to his cross -examination play this clip.
13:09Take a listen to his cross -examination play this clip.
13:12Said that single piece of legislation adds more to our deficit and debt than any
13:12Said that single piece of legislation adds more to our deficit and debt than any
13:18other piece of legislation passed by Congress in American history.
13:18other piece of legislation passed by Congress in American history.
13:23In addition to the over $4 trillion it adds for our national debt, it eliminates
13:23In addition to the over $4 trillion it adds for our national debt, it eliminates
13:31healthcare coverage for more than 15 million Americans, according to the CBO.
13:31healthcare coverage for more than 15 million Americans, according to the CBO.
13:38The Kaiser Family Foundation says it's actually more than 17 million Americans who will lose
13:38The Kaiser Family Foundation says it's actually more than 17 million Americans who will lose
13:44their healthcare. Are they really all according to you?
13:44their healthcare. Are they really all according to you?
13:47Really? You're going to sit here with a straight face and say they're all illegals.
13:47Really? You're going to sit here with a straight face and say they're all illegals.
13:51They're all defrauding the system.
13:51They're all defrauding the system.
13:53That's actually your position? Yes.
13:53That's actually your position? Yes.
13:56With regard to the people that have lost that...
13:56With regard to the people that have lost that...
13:58I mean, that's laughable. That's laughable.
13:58I mean, that's laughable. That's laughable.
14:00I'm sorry. I'll give you a chance to respond.
14:00I'm sorry. I'll give you a chance to respond.
14:02You have a number of issues with regard to your comments there.
14:02You have a number of issues with regard to your comments there.
14:05Wait, wait, wait. Let me just...
14:05Wait, wait, wait. Let me just...
14:06Number one... Sorry, wait, wait.
14:06Number one... Sorry, wait, wait.
14:08Reclaiming my time. I just want to be clear.
14:08Reclaiming my time. I just want to be clear.
14:09I'm citing, we acknowledge, the CBO figure, that's where I'm getting the 15 million from,
14:09I'm citing, we acknowledge, the CBO figure, that's where I'm getting the 15 million from,
14:15and the Kaiser Family Foundation says 17 million.
14:15and the Kaiser Family Foundation says 17 million.
14:18You're saying none of them are legitimately on this, even though we had one of
14:18You're saying none of them are legitimately on this, even though we had one of
14:23them actually testify before us at this committee.
14:23them actually testify before us at this committee.
14:25I didn't say all of them are illegals.
14:25I didn't say all of them are illegals.
14:27I said there's also the benefit of people returning to the workforce because they're able
14:27I said there's also the benefit of people returning to the workforce because they're able
14:31-bodied individuals, or they should not have been on the system regardless because of the
14:31-bodied individuals, or they should not have been on the system regardless because of the
14:36inability to address fraud in the aftermath of...
14:36inability to address fraud in the aftermath of...
14:40Okay, so they're all either illegals or defrauding the system.
14:40Okay, so they're all either illegals or defrauding the system.
14:43Well, we certainly, that's certainly not a provocative statement that we have fraud all over
14:43Well, we certainly, that's certainly not a provocative statement that we have fraud all over
14:47the country, is it, Mr.
14:47the country, is it, Mr.
14:48Rankin? Why are, I imagine there are fraud in all sorts of private and public
14:48Rankin? Why are, I imagine there are fraud in all sorts of private and public
14:53sector areas, but the idea that 15 million Americans are about to lose their healthcare,
14:53sector areas, but the idea that 15 million Americans are about to lose their healthcare,
14:59the single biggest loss of healthcare in American history, mind you, not even during the
14:59the single biggest loss of healthcare in American history, mind you, not even during the
15:04Great Depression, do 15 million Americans lose their healthcare coverage.
15:04Great Depression, do 15 million Americans lose their healthcare coverage.
15:07The idea that all of those people who are about to lose their healthcare are
15:07The idea that all of those people who are about to lose their healthcare are
15:14defrauding the system or are illegal immigrants, that is not supported by any facts whatsoever.
15:14defrauding the system or are illegal immigrants, that is not supported by any facts whatsoever.
15:21They're not working and now, are now working and getting the benefit of a job
15:21They're not working and now, are now working and getting the benefit of a job
15:24with employer -sponsored healthcare coverage.
15:24with employer -sponsored healthcare coverage.
15:26Look, that, these, these, uh, assessments by CBO and others are often very static.
15:26Look, that, these, these, uh, assessments by CBO and others are often very static.
15:33I mean, it's right -of -center groups as well.
15:33I mean, it's right -of -center groups as well.
15:35It's, well, reclaim my time.
15:35It's, well, reclaim my time.
15:37I only have a few minutes, so excuse me.
15:37I only have a few minutes, so excuse me.
15:39But it's not just CBO.
15:39But it's not just CBO.
15:40I mean, right -of -center groups, left -of -center groups, nonpartisan groups, you're saying they're,
15:40I mean, right -of -center groups, left -of -center groups, nonpartisan groups, you're saying they're,
15:46they're all wrong. I am saying that the budget community typically relies on static thinking,
15:46they're all wrong. I am saying that the budget community typically relies on static thinking,
15:52static scoring, current law baselines, and so you don't get an accurate picture of the
15:52static scoring, current law baselines, and so you don't get an accurate picture of the
15:59extent to which the reforms that are being made are going to have a dynamic
15:59extent to which the reforms that are being made are going to have a dynamic
16:02impact with better programs, more healthcare, for instance, $50 billion.
16:02impact with better programs, more healthcare, for instance, $50 billion.
16:06Well, let me - Before you get to the friends, I only have a couple
16:06Well, let me - Before you get to the friends, I only have a couple
16:09of minutes. Right. Isn't that absurd right there?
16:09of minutes. Right. Isn't that absurd right there?
16:12So that is what they're claiming that 15 million people or whatever them are all
16:12So that is what they're claiming that 15 million people or whatever them are all
16:17committing fraud. That's why they had to take away Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from
16:17committing fraud. That's why they had to take away Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from
16:2215 million people because everyone's a fraudster, says the fraud criminal war criminal regime.
16:2215 million people because everyone's a fraudster, says the fraud criminal war criminal regime.
16:29Donald Trump, a literal felon, a literal fraud, is the guy who's going to go,
16:29Donald Trump, a literal felon, a literal fraud, is the guy who's going to go,
16:35well, I think that anybody on Medicare and Medicaid is committing fraud.
16:35well, I think that anybody on Medicare and Medicaid is committing fraud.
16:39These are such sick human beings.
16:39These are such sick human beings.
16:41More from Congresswoman Ballant. Let's play it.
16:41More from Congresswoman Ballant. Let's play it.
16:44Now to wasteful government spending, particularly the three hundred and fifty billion dollars set aside
16:44Now to wasteful government spending, particularly the three hundred and fifty billion dollars set aside
16:49for this. Yes. War of choice against Iran included in this president's budget.
16:49for this. Yes. War of choice against Iran included in this president's budget.
16:54His budget asked for a shocking surge in Pentagon spending, up to one point five
16:54His budget asked for a shocking surge in Pentagon spending, up to one point five
16:59trillion dollars. We have never in the history of this country seen spending like this
16:59trillion dollars. We have never in the history of this country seen spending like this
17:03paid for by splashing, splashing health care, education and housing.
17:03paid for by splashing, splashing health care, education and housing.
17:08Donald Trump has said, as my colleagues have said earlier, we're fighting wars here.
17:08Donald Trump has said, as my colleagues have said earlier, we're fighting wars here.
17:12We can't take care of daycare.
17:12We can't take care of daycare.
17:14Mr. Vote, yes or no, is three hundred and fifty billion dollars for the war
17:14Mr. Vote, yes or no, is three hundred and fifty billion dollars for the war
17:18in Iran, lowering costs for Americans.
17:18in Iran, lowering costs for Americans.
17:21Those Americans who ask us in every single town hall why they can't afford to
17:21Those Americans who ask us in every single town hall why they can't afford to
17:27live in this country. Is the war lowering costs for Americans?
17:27live in this country. Is the war lowering costs for Americans?
17:31It is certainly not defunding child care.
17:31It is certainly not defunding child care.
17:33We fully fund child care in this.
17:33We fully fund child care in this.
17:34Is it lowering costs for the American people?
17:34Is it lowering costs for the American people?
17:38But doesn't that get at the premise of your question?
17:38But doesn't that get at the premise of your question?
17:40You can find money for illegal wars in Iran.
17:40You can find money for illegal wars in Iran.
17:44You can find money for all the pet projects of this administration.
17:44You can find money for all the pet projects of this administration.
17:48And yet we can't find money to alleviate the cost of food and housing and
17:48And yet we can't find money to alleviate the cost of food and housing and
17:55gas on the home front.
17:55gas on the home front.
17:56But according to you, funded child care, fully funded head start.
17:56But according to you, funded child care, fully funded head start.
17:58Mr. Mr. Vote, Mr. Vote with the money that is set aside in this budget,
17:58Mr. Mr. Vote, Mr. Vote with the money that is set aside in this budget,
18:05the additional funding for the war in Iran, three hundred and fifty billion dollars.
18:05the additional funding for the war in Iran, three hundred and fifty billion dollars.
18:08We could fund the ACA tax credits for 10 years, for a decade.
18:08We could fund the ACA tax credits for 10 years, for a decade.
18:16And I can tell you what my constituents want to know.
18:16And I can tell you what my constituents want to know.
18:19How is it that we can continue to spend money on foreign wars and yet
18:19How is it that we can continue to spend money on foreign wars and yet
18:25we cannot find a solution to the fact that people can't afford health care?
18:25we cannot find a solution to the fact that people can't afford health care?
18:30And again, in closing, I just want to say again, it's we're not so angry
18:30And again, in closing, I just want to say again, it's we're not so angry
18:35because you're taking our power.
18:35because you're taking our power.
18:37We're angry because you are taking the people's power.
18:37We're angry because you are taking the people's power.
18:40I yield back. The gentlelady's time has expired if the gentleman wants to respond.
18:40I yield back. The gentlelady's time has expired if the gentleman wants to respond.
18:43I would just say this president has been a person who has campaigned and led
18:43I would just say this president has been a person who has campaigned and led
18:48for peace and against endless wars.
18:48for peace and against endless wars.
18:51So is it is it is it peace through war?
18:51So is it is it is it peace through war?
18:54Is that is that where we are right now?
18:54Is that is that where we are right now?
18:55Miss Fallon, I'm giving that I'm giving our witness the time to respond to your
18:55Miss Fallon, I'm giving that I'm giving our witness the time to respond to your
18:58question and then I'm going to yield five minutes to Mr.
18:58question and then I'm going to yield five minutes to Mr.
19:01Estes. So finish the response uninterrupted and then let's go to Mr.
19:01Estes. So finish the response uninterrupted and then let's go to Mr.
19:05President has also been equally clear that he is not going to allow a nuclear
19:05President has also been equally clear that he is not going to allow a nuclear
19:09Iran. He is not going to allow them to have nuclear weapons.
19:09Iran. He is not going to allow them to have nuclear weapons.
19:12He is not going to allow them to have missiles in the Navy that impacts
19:12He is not going to allow them to have missiles in the Navy that impacts
19:15our national security. So he is doing what is necessary to keep us safe while
19:15our national security. So he is doing what is necessary to keep us safe while
19:19at the same trying to pursue diplomacy so that we can get out of wars
19:19at the same trying to pursue diplomacy so that we can get out of wars
19:24and lower those those costs over time.
19:24and lower those those costs over time.
19:26This was a great line of questioning right here about NIH.
19:26This was a great line of questioning right here about NIH.
19:30Let's play it under your direction, Mr.
19:30Let's play it under your direction, Mr.
19:32Vogt at the National Institutes of Health.
19:32Vogt at the National Institutes of Health.
19:34Last year, grants for Alzheimer's and aging research were cut almost 50 percent mental health.
19:34Last year, grants for Alzheimer's and aging research were cut almost 50 percent mental health.
19:41Forty seven percent new grants for cancer research.
19:41Forty seven percent new grants for cancer research.
19:44Twenty three percent. And as I read the budget that you're here presenting today, the
19:44Twenty three percent. And as I read the budget that you're here presenting today, the
19:49Trump regime's response is that medical research has not yet been cut sufficiently.
19:49Trump regime's response is that medical research has not yet been cut sufficiently.
19:53Doesn't your budget propose another 12 percent cut at the National Institutes of Health?
19:53Doesn't your budget propose another 12 percent cut at the National Institutes of Health?
19:58Most of what you said is untrue.
19:58Most of what you said is untrue.
20:02NIH was not cut at all last year.
20:02NIH was not cut at all last year.
20:04We proposed a series of reforms to lower the cost.
20:04We proposed a series of reforms to lower the cost.
20:07We continue, although not as much, to lower the cost this year.
20:07We continue, although not as much, to lower the cost this year.
20:10Reclaiming my time, my question to you is don't you propose to cut the National
20:10Reclaiming my time, my question to you is don't you propose to cut the National
20:13Institutes of Health by another 12 percent?
20:13Institutes of Health by another 12 percent?
20:16We propose to have a cut to the National Institute of Health.
20:16We propose to have a cut to the National Institute of Health.
20:19Thank you, sir. Reclaiming my time.
20:19Thank you, sir. Reclaiming my time.
20:21That goes after specific programs.
20:21That goes after specific programs.
20:23Yes, sir. Thank you. Reclaiming my time.
20:23Yes, sir. Thank you. Reclaiming my time.
20:25Like the Minority Health Disparity Institute.
20:25Like the Minority Health Disparity Institute.
20:27Reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman.
20:27Reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman.
20:29If the gentleman will please yield.
20:29If the gentleman will please yield.
20:31He can filibuster when he's in the Senate.
20:31He can filibuster when he's in the Senate.
20:34What we do know as far as the truth is that there were fewer grants
20:34What we do know as far as the truth is that there were fewer grants
20:37for new cases last year at NIH than at any time in the last 30
20:37for new cases last year at NIH than at any time in the last 30
20:43years. Is it your feeling in proposing further cuts at NIH that there are just
20:43years. Is it your feeling in proposing further cuts at NIH that there are just
20:50not enough worthwhile projects out there or that we cannot afford to invest more in
20:50not enough worthwhile projects out there or that we cannot afford to invest more in
20:57doing something about Alzheimer's, cancer, Parkinson's, HIV, other great concerns?
20:57doing something about Alzheimer's, cancer, Parkinson's, HIV, other great concerns?
21:02There are many worthy health investments out there.
21:02There are many worthy health investments out there.
21:05I think post -COVID for an institution that contributed to the pandemic itself with the
21:05I think post -COVID for an institution that contributed to the pandemic itself with the
21:09funding of gain -of -function research to give that institute $42 trillion, which is more
21:09funding of gain -of -function research to give that institute $42 trillion, which is more
21:14than it got under the COVID pandemic.
21:14than it got under the COVID pandemic.
21:17The kinds of things that we're trying to do with the National Institute of Health,
21:17The kinds of things that we're trying to do with the National Institute of Health,
21:22indirect cost rates. We don't think when Bill Gates gives 10 % for parkings and
21:22indirect cost rates. We don't think when Bill Gates gives 10 % for parkings and
21:26administrative costs and buildings that that should go.
21:26administrative costs and buildings that that should go.
21:30Reclaiming my time, after giving last year fewer grants.
21:30Reclaiming my time, after giving last year fewer grants.
21:34Any time in the last 30 years, you are proposing further cuts there, and of
21:34Any time in the last 30 years, you are proposing further cuts there, and of
21:39course, the cuts are not only to medical research, but is it correct that in
21:39course, the cuts are not only to medical research, but is it correct that in
21:44your budget you would cut the National Science Foundation, which has in the past provided
21:44your budget you would cut the National Science Foundation, which has in the past provided
21:49grants that helped on artificial intelligence, on laser eye surgery, on MRI technology, among others,
21:49grants that helped on artificial intelligence, on laser eye surgery, on MRI technology, among others,
21:57that you propose to cut it by 55 percent?
21:57that you propose to cut it by 55 percent?
22:00We have a sizable cut to National Science Foundation.
22:00We have a sizable cut to National Science Foundation.
22:03Over half of the funding of National Science Foundation.
22:03Over half of the funding of National Science Foundation.
22:04But it will not impact our investments on artificial intelligence, quantum physics.
22:04But it will not impact our investments on artificial intelligence, quantum physics.
22:06Well, that's good to know, because you may be the only person, along with President
22:06Well, that's good to know, because you may be the only person, along with President
22:11Trump, who believed that. A reading from the director of a consortium of research universities,
22:11Trump, who believed that. A reading from the director of a consortium of research universities,
22:17he says your budget cuts are the equivalent of working in a company that feels
22:17he says your budget cuts are the equivalent of working in a company that feels
22:21like it's on the verge of bankruptcy.
22:21like it's on the verge of bankruptcy.
22:23Another one says slow scientific progress threatening the nation's position in the world economy.
22:23Another one says slow scientific progress threatening the nation's position in the world economy.
22:29More from Senator Kaine. Let's play it over here.
22:29More from Senator Kaine. Let's play it over here.
22:32Second question. I was interested in the revenues in the budget that you've sent over.
22:32Second question. I was interested in the revenues in the budget that you've sent over.
22:38One revenue in particular interested me was tariffs, what you're assuming for tariffs.
22:38One revenue in particular interested me was tariffs, what you're assuming for tariffs.
22:44You can see that the numbers on tariffs were sort of bumping around at less
22:44You can see that the numbers on tariffs were sort of bumping around at less
22:48than $100 billion a year, $100 billion in 2022, $195 billion in 2025, when the
22:48than $100 billion a year, $100 billion in 2022, $195 billion in 2025, when the
22:58tariffs started to kick in an IEPA.
22:58tariffs started to kick in an IEPA.
23:01Tariffs have been determined to be illegal by the Supreme Court, the IEPA tariffs.
23:01Tariffs have been determined to be illegal by the Supreme Court, the IEPA tariffs.
23:07Next week, you're starting to refund $166 billion of tariffs.
23:07Next week, you're starting to refund $166 billion of tariffs.
23:11So I was interested to see what your tariff projection was going to be.
23:11So I was interested to see what your tariff projection was going to be.
23:16And actually, what I see is, far from going down as you're refunding illegal tariffs,
23:16And actually, what I see is, far from going down as you're refunding illegal tariffs,
23:21you're predicting dramatic increases in tariffs.
23:21you're predicting dramatic increases in tariffs.
23:24What is President Trump going to tax next?
23:24What is President Trump going to tax next?
23:27Senator, what you're looking at is, we had a 10 -year assumptions for the IEPA
23:27Senator, what you're looking at is, we had a 10 -year assumptions for the IEPA
23:32tariffs, and those should be shaded a different way.
23:32tariffs, and those should be shaded a different way.
23:36Obviously, the Supreme Court changed our strategy on that, and we were going through a
23:36Obviously, the Supreme Court changed our strategy on that, and we were going through a
23:39process to replace those, but we do not believe that the tariffs will be less
23:39process to replace those, but we do not believe that the tariffs will be less
23:44than under IEPA. So if you're going through the process, tariffs are a tax.
23:44than under IEPA. So if you're going through the process, tariffs are a tax.
23:48I'd like to introduce, Mr.
23:48I'd like to introduce, Mr.
23:50Chair, two documents from the New York Federal Reserve.
23:50Chair, two documents from the New York Federal Reserve.
23:5390 % of the cost of the tariffs last year fell on American consumers and
23:5390 % of the cost of the tariffs last year fell on American consumers and
23:56businesses, and another from the Tax Foundation.
23:56businesses, and another from the Tax Foundation.
23:59The average in 2025 was $1 ,000 per American tax household, if I could introduce
23:59The average in 2025 was $1 ,000 per American tax household, if I could introduce
24:04them. So you're going through a process to decide, what are you going to tax
24:04them. So you're going through a process to decide, what are you going to tax
24:08next? Who are you going to tax next to reach these astronomical tariff numbers?
24:08next? Who are you going to tax next to reach these astronomical tariff numbers?
24:14We don't think there are tax on the American people.
24:14We don't think there are tax on the American people.
24:16They have not raised prices.
24:16They have not raised prices.
24:1790 % of the cost is falling on American consumers.
24:1790 % of the cost is falling on American consumers.
24:20By a Tax Foundation paper that doesn't support tariffs.
24:20By a Tax Foundation paper that doesn't support tariffs.
24:23But who are you going to impose the tariffs on next?
24:23But who are you going to impose the tariffs on next?
24:25Look, tariffs are imposed on the foreign importers, right?
24:25Look, tariffs are imposed on the foreign importers, right?
24:29We've seen that they don't impact.
24:29We've seen that they don't impact.
24:31Okay, so what industry sectors are you going to hobble?
24:31Okay, so what industry sectors are you going to hobble?
24:33Well, do you know yet?
24:33Well, do you know yet?
24:34It's not hobbling. It's ensuring that we have American manufacturers in this country.
24:34It's not hobbling. It's ensuring that we have American manufacturers in this country.
24:37So I'm assuming you don't know.
24:37So I'm assuming you don't know.
24:38You don't yet know who the next tariffs are going to hit.
24:38You don't yet know who the next tariffs are going to hit.
24:41You're just projecting all this money is coming out of American pockets.
24:41You're just projecting all this money is coming out of American pockets.
24:44Our agreements with countries, Senator, have been out there ever since Liberation Day.
24:44Our agreements with countries, Senator, have been out there ever since Liberation Day.
24:48Liberation Day. Yeah, that's the one that you did right before Tax Day that took
24:48Liberation Day. Yeah, that's the one that you did right before Tax Day that took
24:51$1 ,000 out of American families' pockets.
24:51$1 ,000 out of American families' pockets.
24:53Let me go to the next one.
24:53Let me go to the next one.
24:54More from Congress Member Coleman.
24:54More from Congress Member Coleman.
24:57Let's play it. I was just trying to figure out where could I find a
24:57Let's play it. I was just trying to figure out where could I find a
25:00needle large enough to burst the bubble that you guys live in because you're not
25:00needle large enough to burst the bubble that you guys live in because you're not
25:04living in reality and you're creating a narrative and just because you say it, you
25:04living in reality and you're creating a narrative and just because you say it, you
25:09think it's true. And so I've sat up here and I've listened to a whole
25:09think it's true. And so I've sat up here and I've listened to a whole
25:13bunch of explanations that don't in any way, shape, or form relate to reality.
25:13bunch of explanations that don't in any way, shape, or form relate to reality.
25:24I got a couple of questions to ask you, sir.
25:24I got a couple of questions to ask you, sir.
25:27I'm going to start with one that's going to give you a moment to speak.
25:27I'm going to start with one that's going to give you a moment to speak.
25:31And then I'm going to ask you a series of yes and no's.
25:31And then I'm going to ask you a series of yes and no's.
25:34And when I say yes and no's, I want yes and no's.
25:34And when I say yes and no's, I want yes and no's.
25:37What would you say right now to the mothers of the kids who died because
25:37What would you say right now to the mothers of the kids who died because
25:43of your dismantling of U .S.
25:43of your dismantling of U .S.
25:46aid, Harvard's study says there are more than 100 ,000 of them.
25:46aid, Harvard's study says there are more than 100 ,000 of them.
25:51Can you give me a quick response to what you would say to those mothers?
25:51Can you give me a quick response to what you would say to those mothers?
25:55Just don't talk to me about the study.
25:55Just don't talk to me about the study.
25:57Talk to me about how you, what you would say to the mothers of the
25:57Talk to me about how you, what you would say to the mothers of the
26:02children who died. Congressman, with great respect, I would just contest that the extent to
26:02children who died. Congressman, with great respect, I would just contest that the extent to
26:07which institutions that benefit from federal largesse put out studies that say that the world
26:07which institutions that benefit from federal largesse put out studies that say that the world
26:14has ended, that the world has not, in fact, ended.
26:14has ended, that the world has not, in fact, ended.
26:17Well, it's going there. We only cut USAID spending last year to the tune of
26:17Well, it's going there. We only cut USAID spending last year to the tune of
26:21about $8 billion. There was far more that we could have done, Congressman.
26:21about $8 billion. There was far more that we could have done, Congressman.
26:25Reclaiming my time. If a mother came before you who told you that her child
26:25Reclaiming my time. If a mother came before you who told you that her child
26:32died because she didn't have access to health care or medicine that usually would be
26:32died because she didn't have access to health care or medicine that usually would be
26:39available because of the kindness of the United States of America that you and this
26:39available because of the kindness of the United States of America that you and this
26:47administration have eliminated, would you have anything of empathy, compassion, and humanity to say to
26:47administration have eliminated, would you have anything of empathy, compassion, and humanity to say to
26:55her? Would you say to her, I am sorry that was a mistake?
26:55her? Would you say to her, I am sorry that was a mistake?
26:59I always have empathy for individuals, including those.
26:59I always have empathy for individuals, including those.
27:02Those that get improper and false information from the media that pumps this false and
27:02Those that get improper and false information from the media that pumps this false and
27:09ignorant information out to the American people.
27:09ignorant information out to the American people.
27:12I am so sorry to hearing false, fraud, and abuse from any of my colleagues
27:12I am so sorry to hearing false, fraud, and abuse from any of my colleagues
27:18and even from you. Because if we wanted to eliminate abuse and fraud, we'd eliminate
27:18and even from you. Because if we wanted to eliminate abuse and fraud, we'd eliminate
27:27the President of the United States from the office right now and the rest of
27:27the President of the United States from the office right now and the rest of
27:31the sycophants in his administration that are allowing him to do so many illegal things.
27:31the sycophants in his administration that are allowing him to do so many illegal things.
27:37And more from Congress member Jaya Paul right here.
27:37And more from Congress member Jaya Paul right here.
27:40Let's play this clip. Now let me turn to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, since
27:40Let's play this clip. Now let me turn to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, since
27:44you're also the acting director there.
27:44you're also the acting director there.
27:46This was an agency that was established to protect consumers from financial predation, deception, fraud,
27:46This was an agency that was established to protect consumers from financial predation, deception, fraud,
27:53and abuse from the biggest banks, biggest corporations.
27:53and abuse from the biggest banks, biggest corporations.
27:56And the CFPB has stepped in and really done that work under the last administration.
27:56And the CFPB has stepped in and really done that work under the last administration.
28:02CFPB put real money back in consumers' pockets, returned over $21 billion to consumers who
28:02CFPB put real money back in consumers' pockets, returned over $21 billion to consumers who
28:08were cheated or scammed by big banks, giant corporations.
28:08were cheated or scammed by big banks, giant corporations.
28:12It ordered Wells Fargo to pay over $2 billion and Bank of America to pay
28:12It ordered Wells Fargo to pay over $2 billion and Bank of America to pay
28:16$727 million to consumers who were harmed.
28:16$727 million to consumers who were harmed.
28:20But you have a mission to eliminate the CFPB.
28:20But you have a mission to eliminate the CFPB.
28:24Why are you protecting big corporations instead of consumers, Mr.
28:24Why are you protecting big corporations instead of consumers, Mr.
28:28Vogt? I'm not. CFPB caused $350 billion of added costs on consumers.
28:28Vogt? I'm not. CFPB caused $350 billion of added costs on consumers.
28:34Mr. Vogt, you are asking to reduce the CFPB's workforce to just one -third of
28:34Mr. Vogt, you are asking to reduce the CFPB's workforce to just one -third of
28:39its 2025 level, which means that the department that oversees the banks and other financial
28:39its 2025 level, which means that the department that oversees the banks and other financial
28:45companies that hold trillions of dollars in mortgage, auto, credit card, and student loan debt
28:45companies that hold trillions of dollars in mortgage, auto, credit card, and student loan debt
28:51would drop from 500 employees to just 77, and the enforcement department would only have
28:51would drop from 500 employees to just 77, and the enforcement department would only have
28:5850 workers. What do you have to say to the millions of service members, veterans,
28:5850 workers. What do you have to say to the millions of service members, veterans,
29:04older adults, and students that are seeing costs rise?
29:04older adults, and students that are seeing costs rise?
29:07And now, because of your unprecedented rollback of consumer protection staff, have nobody at the
29:07And now, because of your unprecedented rollback of consumer protection staff, have nobody at the
29:14agency that is actually policing those big corporations that are scamming consumers?
29:14agency that is actually policing those big corporations that are scamming consumers?
29:19The gentlelady's time has expired.
29:19The gentlelady's time has expired.
29:21So tell me what you think in the comments below.
29:21So tell me what you think in the comments below.
29:22But I thought good cross -examination right there exposed him, $1 .5 trillion.
29:22But I thought good cross -examination right there exposed him, $1 .5 trillion.
29:29And just the way he says it so cavalierly, that money could be spent on
29:29And just the way he says it so cavalierly, that money could be spent on
29:33health care, making housing more affordable, making education more affordable, making people's lives better.
29:33health care, making housing more affordable, making education more affordable, making people's lives better.
29:39But we're going to spend the money instead buying missiles to blow up elementary schools
29:39But we're going to spend the money instead buying missiles to blow up elementary schools
29:45so that Donald Trump can engage in more war crimes.
29:48Hell no. And the American people are fed up with this disgusting, despicable regime that,
29:56frankly, they're not public servants.
29:58They hate this country. Anyway, tell me what you think.
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