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3:31And I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going over there, Mary and Catherine?

3:33I'm good. Here I am in the brand new state of Maryland.

3:36Oh wait, it's just Virginia.

3:39But we're trying to become Maryland and California over here.

3:44Yeah, well, it went the way you said it was going to go, which just

3:49shows how you have your finger on the pulse.

3:52I guess. I'm also just like a little black -pilled.

3:58I assumed that the Virginia referendum to change the very fair 5 -6 congressional delegation

4:04map of the state of Virginia, which is a purple state leaning blue, to a

4:0810 -1 Democrat -dominated map would pass by an annoyingly small margin that I would

4:15then look back and say, wow, if there had been some concerted and organized effort

4:19to persuade people that this was a bad idea, we might have won.

4:24And in fact, that is what appears has happened.

4:27It was about a three -point loss.

4:30Right now it's about 70 ,000 to 90 ,000 votes.

4:35It is not a good result.

4:38It will face legal challenge, as most redistrictings do, particularly partisan gerrymanders of this kind.

4:45It will face legal challenges at the Virginia Supreme Court that include, you know, that

4:53it violated several statutes getting onto the ballot because they misused a special session of

4:59the legislature to do it.

5:00of the legislature to do it.

5:01They then didn't serve the measure to the public 90 days before the voting, which

5:07they are supposed to do according to statute.

5:09There's several things over they violated.

5:11Just a really sloppy ball in order to get this done.

5:14And then also, statutes require them to have, like, contiguous and compact rational districts, which

5:21is something that could be argued these are not.

5:26And my biggest issue with it, just from a like a principal stance is and

5:33for the for people, for free people in a state, is that the richest county

5:38in the United States, maybe Loudoun might outdo it.

5:41But Fairfax County is perhaps the richest county in the United States, and it is

5:46split into five slices that then go down into the rest of the state and

5:53pull some rural and red folks into it.

5:56But it's dominated by these highly populous, very rich blue areas so that five U

6:02.S. Congress people, all Democrats, can sit within like a handful of zip codes and

6:08never leave, basically. And that will be the representation of half of the delegation to

6:15D .C. Right. I don't I don't think that's good.

6:18No, it's not. And I saw people who ostensibly are on the right saying that

6:25they voted yes to basically punish Republicans.

6:29And it's like, do you not know that everybody you hate is it's a momentary

6:36thing. Donald Trump is not going to be here forever.

6:38You just hurt your own state because you just don't like Donald Trump so much.

6:44It's ridiculous. Yeah. It's also the part that I don't I really don't like is

6:51the is the gaslighting about I'm voting for democracy.

6:55I'm voting because I hate gerrymandering and changing rules to change rules and gerrymander.

7:02Right. That doesn't make any sense.

7:05I wish you would just be Louise Lucas, who is our absolutely insane Democratic leader

7:09in the Virginia legislature and just say, like, no, I'm going to drink your tears.

7:14This is what this is for.

7:15Right. Right. I just prefer.

7:17At least be honest. Yeah.

7:19I think that the honesty is what I would appreciate about it.

7:22This whole we did it for democracy.

7:24Like, come on. No. I am somewhat ambivalent on gerrymandering.

7:30Like, I don't love it, but we understand that it is part of the game.

7:33Virginia Democrats said we have to retaliate because Texas.

7:37Well, Texas, whatever Texas gained, which, by the way, Republicans were robbed of by the

7:42census in 2020, which is validated by the U .S.

7:46census. And I don't know why we have to sit around on our hands and

7:48wait for 2030 to get it fixed.

7:51Right. Whatever. They're mad at Texas.

7:53That was evened out and more possibly by California.

7:56And they're like, no, no, no.

7:57We have to keep going.

7:59Right. Well, now I think if the Republicans could grow a pair, we have to

8:03keep going. We have to do it in places like Florida and elsewhere.

8:07I mean, I just think, like, there's a lot there's been a lot of studies

8:11as to who has room to grow and it's Republicans.

8:14And you don't like gerrymandering.

8:17You better start liking it because this is what's going to happen now.

8:20That's it. It is game over.

8:22There cannot be any more like, oh, no, we principled.

8:27We don't want to do this.

8:28We have to do this.

8:29And in Indiana, Republicans did a deal to de -escalate.

8:33And what happened? Virginia just re -escalated.

8:37Right. Yeah, you can't do that.

8:39I want to note this tweet from Mark Caputo.

8:41He's a reporter. I think lives in Florida or is closely followed.

8:46Yeah. And he notes this.

8:49Florida has a surprisingly clear constitutional amendment passed in 2010 by 62 .9 percent of

8:54voters that prohibits redistricting with the intent to favor or disfavor incumbents or political parties.

8:59It's hard to get around that.

9:01Absent novel rulings from SCOTUS or Florida Supremes.

9:04Mark, wait till I tell you what happened in Virginia.

9:07In Virginia, in 2020, and I among them, 60 plus percent of Virginians voted to

9:14have a bipartisan commission do the districts.

9:17And Sean Trendy, by the way, who I always forget.

9:20I know the guy personally who made those fair maps.

9:22Yeah. Comes up with this along with the bipartisan redistricting commission in the Supreme Court.

9:27They get them in. We had our say on this.

9:30The Virginian Democrats are like, oh, we put this to the voters.

9:33It was already put to the voters.

9:36And my issue is now liberals are like, well, you could just have a national

9:40ban on gerrymandering and then everything would be fixed.

9:42And you guys are just mad because you lost.

9:46I have to trust you to actually maintain the gerrymander ban when it's not convenient

9:54for you. And in New York State and Virginia and California, all the places where

10:01Democrats have come into power after a gerrymandering ban, guess what happens?

10:05They engineer the redistricting commission to make it theirs or they just wipe it out

10:12completely. So, no, I don't trust you.

10:14And I also don't think it would be constitutional necessarily to do that.

10:18Yeah, I think that Florida Republicans will figure out a way around it.

10:24I think they're just as smart as the Virginia Democrats.

10:27So what happens? So a few interesting points.

10:31It's the most of the state veered right in the makeup of its vote from

10:38over 2025, which was a very bad election for Republicans over 2024, which was a

10:45pretty good election for Republicans in this state.

10:48A bunch of areas shifted right.

10:51Northern Virginia shifted left. And pretty aggressively.

10:55And I do want to note that back when we were talking about the winsome

10:58Sears for governor race in Virginia as a bellwether of sorts, when the combination of

11:03doge and it being problematic for federal workers and the shutdown happened, I don't know

11:09if I actually said it.

11:11I think I said it various places.

11:12I'm not sure if I said it here.

11:13I was like, I think that I think this race is done so because those

11:17two things in this highly populous reason region that affect those people means they go

11:23hard, hard left. But there is some good news in the fact that this electorate

11:29looked like a 2021 right leaning Yunkin electorate instead of a 2024 Kamala by six

11:36electorate or Spanberger by 15.

11:40Right. So, you know, there ain't no moral victories in this, but there is something

11:45to build on, I think.

11:46It's just upsetting that the GOP couldn't find its footing here.

11:52And if they couldn't find it here, where are they going to find it over

11:56the next year or two?

11:57I mean, so Republican -aligned groups spent $20 to $30 million.

12:03Democrat -aligned groups spent $70 to $80 million.

12:05I mean, that's different. And I just, you know, it's quite, being outspent two to

12:13one on something that matters as much, losing four house seats is, to me, not

12:18acceptable. Well, and it's also not just the amount of spending, it's the way it's

12:24spent. Because I will tell you, as somebody who should have been targeted, right, and

12:28was targeted by yes, okay?

12:31From the no side, I saw two YouTube ads.

12:36I heard maybe, I don't think I heard any radio ads, but my husband did.

12:41I heard no podcast ads.

12:43I saw no TV ads.

12:45But that is not a coordinated effort to convince people.

12:51And on the other side, I saw yes ads starting at the Olympics and all

12:58the way through the Olympics.

12:59And I heard Barack Obama on yes four times a day.

13:05Four times a day on the radio, on podcasts, on TV, whatever it was.

13:10He was there. The one thing I did get was mailers.

13:13But I think, you know, Guy and I have been, like, talking on the phone,

13:18writing ads, like, where are they?

13:20Yeah. Because you get yunking and you get one Democrat who's opposed to this and

13:24you put them together. And he was, we were joking this morning, just like, Virginians

13:30came together in 2020 to decide that we wanted a bipartisan commission.

13:34And take it out of the hands of power -hungry politicians.

13:38Now, they want to give it back to power -hungry politicians.

13:42Say no to that effort on April 21st.

13:45Mm -hmm. Done and done.

13:48Roll it all day long every day.

13:51I'd hire you two for sure.

13:53I don't know. Actually, so where did Republicans even spend that amount of money?

13:58Well, that's, you know. I don't understand, Carol.

14:01Just inefficient. Well, and it's also, you know, it's not like when things happen that

14:07are consequential in, say, like, Kansas.

14:10You can get, like, oh, well, it's bad that they missed that because they're too

14:14dedicated to coastal cities and that's a problem.

14:17There's not even that bad excuse here.

14:20Right. This is happening in your backyard.

14:23You all are here. And as you noticed, I talked about it a lot and

14:27have been following it closely.

14:29Honestly, but, yeah, I just think all you had to do was pull 1 .5,

14:341 .7 points away, and I think you could have done it.

14:39Yeah. Yeah, look, I learned about it almost entirely from you, which is, I love

14:45you, but that's a problem.

14:47It's a problem. That's really an issue.

14:49The only place I heard about it was on my own show.

14:52So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what it means next.

14:57We'll, we'll, you'll have on the ground reporting from Florida.

15:00I would imagine there will be a more concerted effort there to, to be organized.

15:05Yeah. And, yeah, it, it's not, it's not great.

15:11When I think about exporting the wisdom and governance of the county in which I

15:18currently live to the rest of the Virginia, I say, I'm sorry, rest of Virginia,

15:22that's not going to be good.

15:25We don't do things great here.

15:27In fact, what used to be a national jewel in public schooling and public facilities

15:32and services and way of life and quality of life is now pretty ratchet.

15:41Yeah. Yeah. It's not great.

15:43It's not great. It's a bummer, man.

15:46Let me, on that point, let me just add two Northern Virginia stories because.

15:51Why not? There are always a couple.

15:52Sure. In Arlington, which went super far left on this, in Arlington last week, a

15:58woman was assaulted, attempted rape by an illegal alien with 25 former charges.

16:05I love it. One of them attempting to disarm a police officer.

16:08Why is he not in prison?

16:10Right. He assaulted her twice because she got away from him once and he tried

16:14again and she was only saved because some bystanders figured out what was happening and,

16:18and saved her. The federal government is currently.

16:21basically begging them not to let this guy out onto the streets.

16:24His probation officer had, of course, told prosecutors he's quite dangerous.

16:29And nonetheless, here we are.

16:31I have no confidence that they will send him to ICE, that he will be

16:36deported, that he will even be punished.

16:37And then we have the grown man attending Fairfax County high schools who groped between

16:459 and 13 young women in the hallways in school.

16:49His, I believe his charges were somewhat downgraded to assault and battery.

16:54He will now serve four months.

16:57And again, there is no guarantee that he will be punished beyond that or sent

17:04out of the country. He will probably go back into Fairfax Public Schools as an

17:08adult who has assaulted, sexually assaulted minors inside the school setting.

17:13And those schools probably won't even tell parents that he arrived there when he arrives

17:18back in those schools. This sounds less than ideal.

17:21It's not great. And further in the reporting on the sentencing, some of the victims,

17:27this is how wacky this place is.

17:30Because the victims of this man are saying, I want to stipulate that I'm not

17:36racist and xenophobic. I just don't like being sexually assaulted in the hallways at school

17:40because that's what you must say.

17:42Just don't like being sexually assaulted.

17:44That's what you must say to be listened to, to be believed in Fairfax County.

17:50So it's the downward spiral begins, my friends.

17:56Well, we're rooting for you guys, but also welcoming you to Florida.

18:00To the great state of Florida.

18:02A different decision. Yeah. Oh, my goodness.

18:05It's also, I do want to say a lot of people are like, we were

18:08outspent by this much. Fine.

18:10They did the right thing by spending a lot of money.

18:12Yeah. It mattered to them.

18:14That was the correct call.

18:16Yeah. Yeah. They didn't do the right thing in getting it on the ballot in

18:19the wrong way, but they did the right thing by spending.

18:21All of that is morally wrong, politically correct.

18:24Yeah. Yep. So they got their dub.

18:28All right. Well, we're going to continue the fight and see where we end up.

18:33We will keep you all posted about that.

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23:51We are back on Normally, where on Tuesday, the FBI and the Justice Department announced

23:58charges against the Southern Poverty Law Center, which, if you don't know anything about them,

24:04they have nothing to do with the South, nothing to do with poverty, nothing to

24:06do with law. And they are accused of funneling millions of dollars to white supremacists

24:13and extremist groups. Now, again, if you don't know about this organization, they say that

24:18they fight white supremacists and extremist groups.

24:22So the fact that they're funding them comes as a bit of a surprise.

24:26Although I have to say, I'm very, very not surprised.

24:30Like, it's something you assume, but you can't prove.

24:34And that's where we are.

24:35So the SPLC says that they fight these groups.

24:39And now it turns out that they funded groups like the KKK and the Patriot

24:44Front. It's wild. Well, and their argument is we have informants that help us figure

24:51things out about how to protect people.

24:53And then we pass that on to law enforcement.

24:55The numbers of what they were paying.

24:58Yeah. These people. Should I read those?

25:00Yeah. Yeah. So they paid the National Alliance affiliate over a million dollars.

25:06The Aryan Nations affiliate, over 300K.

25:10Unite the Right, which, as you may remember, was the Charlottesville rally, which they condemned,

25:17of course, wholeheartedly. They paid one guy there, $270 ,000, one of the leaders.

25:23A former National Alliance chairman, again, that's the same group.

25:27They paid over a million, made $140 ,000.

25:30Former KKK members made over $73 ,000.

25:34American Front president, over $19 ,000.

25:37I mean, these numbers are insane.

25:40I mean, we've been made to answer for Charlottesville ad nauseum for years.

25:46Were you paid any money, Carol, to facilitate Charlottesville?

25:51Maybe not for that. Okay.

25:52I would like to be paid to defend, you know, the fact that racism is

25:58not as big a problem in the U .S.

26:00as the SPLC would like it to be.

26:02It's like, again, the line is, yeah.

26:04The SPLC's demand for white supremacy is outstripping the supply.

26:10And they have to create the supply.

26:13But, like, how ludicrous is it that anyone right of center is smeared with Unite

26:18the Right and torch -bearing Charlottesville guys, but the actual people paying the torch -bearing

26:25Charlottesville Nazis to be there, they're the saviors?

26:30Yeah, it's quite the thing.

26:33It's also just interesting because, you know, we see the Patriot Front guys come out

26:39of a truck dressed identically, and everybody kind of jokes at their feds.

26:44They could easily be SPLC, and that's what makes the most sense here.

26:51Kira Davis posted about this.

26:53She said, It's the scandal of the century.

26:55The SPLC funded the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, which gave America the now

27:00thoroughly and repeatedly debunked, very fine people on both sides lie that nearly tore this

27:06whole country apart. Some of you are still estranged from your families because of what

27:10you believe happened that day.

27:11Some of you have destroyed your closest relationships over it, and it was funded by

27:15the most prestigious Just - left -wing civil rights organization in America.

27:19They funded the KKK. This is a scandal that extends far beyond financial corruption.

27:23It is treason and people need to go to prison for this.

27:27Yeah, her last line is, and maybe we need a public hanging.

27:29Okay, maybe not that. But I was with you right up until that last line.

27:33And like for my, for our friends of the left, are you excited that your

27:38money went to actual Nazis?

27:41Because that's what they're doing with it.

27:44And I see a lot of people rationalizing it and saying it's fine.

27:48The SPLC is not a law enforcement organization.

27:51Right. They don't even, even paying informants in the capacity of law enforcement is very

27:57ethically and tactically challenging to do.

28:03And I just 300 ,000.

28:08Any of you ever gotten $300 ,000 from an NGO?

28:11All of the left is like, actually, I have several times.

28:14I haven't. I haven't either.

28:16I haven't. But the Nazis have.

28:19And like when, if they say, oh, well, this guy was just part of the

28:22United Right. No, he was, he was gathering people and organizing transportation.

28:28He was, he was instrumental to creating this thing that, as Kira points out, became

28:33an underpinning of the understanding of Donald Trump in a way that wasn't fair, of

28:40the right in a way that was perhaps fabricated in pretty large ways here, not

28:45just misinterpreted. Yeah, absolutely. And the USA Today headline on this and their tweet is

28:52the Southern Poverty Law Center was indicted for paying sources to infiltrate hate groups, a

28:56tactic federal agencies have used for decades.

28:59Yeah. Are they a federal agency?

29:00Guys, seriously. Yeah. Is everything an op?

29:04Is everything an op? Polymath points out, though, about that headline, SPLC was not indicted

29:09for paying sources. They were indicted for wire fraud, which is a little different, and

29:14making false statements. So. Those things are gonna get you in trouble sometimes.

29:20Yeah. Yeah. If you're funneling money to these groups and you need to keep it

29:24quiet and you need people not to find out, that's where you're going to get

29:28in trouble and break the law.

29:29That sounds like what they did here.

29:31Also, all the conspiracy theories continue to be correct.

29:35Oh, my God. I know.

29:36I know. And for those of us who are anti -conspiracy theories, it's like, God,

29:42duh. That's. Yeah. It's gonna make discernment a little tougher in the future, because I

29:50would have said this one was loopy.

29:53I don't know. Had you told me at the time.

29:55I don't know. SPLC, to me, has always just seemed like the biggest scam organization.

29:59They pressure companies like Facebook and like PayPal to give them money to fight this

30:05scourge. And we knew that scourge just did not exist, you know?

30:09I definitely thought. Even though Unite the Right rally, how many people were there?

30:12And that was the biggest rally, like, ever, you know?

30:16No, I definitely think that they're hacky scam artists.

30:19I did not. I would not have assumed it went this far.

30:22I probably should have assumed that.

30:24I would also like to point out, speaking of them being hacky scam artists, in

30:302012, a thing that no one remembers because it was the wrong ideology doing the

30:35shooting, Floyd Lee Corkins traveled from his home in Virginia, Northern Virginia, into the city

30:41with a gun that he had purchased recently and a sack full of Chick -fil

30:45-A sandwiches, because this was during the Chick -fil -A scandal.

30:49And a map from the SPLC noting hate groups.

30:55One of the groups on that map was the Family Research Council.

30:59And he went there and shot a security guard who valiantly saved the organization from

31:05a massacre, tackled the guy, survived.

31:08He had an arm wound.

31:10Should have been honored in wonderful ways.

31:13But again, an LGBTQ person of color killing people over his left -wing ideology was

31:19not really big in the headlines.

31:21He was later convicted. But I always thought it was interesting how the media could

31:26say that Sarah Palin's map led to the killing or the shooting of Gaffer Giffords,

31:32but that the SPLC's map being used by an actual terrorist who was convicted of

31:40his terrorism, that was no big deal.

31:42And the SPLC had no qualms about it and continues to put like the Babylon

31:46Bee on their map. Like, hate group Babylon Bee.

31:51Perhaps you're making some hate.

31:52Perhaps you're the one making the hate.

31:54And Gabby Gifford's shooting had nothing to do with Sarah Palin's map.

31:59No matter how many times the New York Times tried to try to find a

32:02connection, there simply wasn't any and the shooter had never seen the map.

32:05So. Nope. Nor was he ideologically motivated.

32:08Right. Right. Andy Ngo points out that if the allegations are true, the SPLC is

32:14the largest funder of American neo -Nazis and KKK members.

32:19That's how big these numbers are.

32:21That is a problem. They allegedly made a problem.

32:24Yeah. They allegedly made a problem that they could point to.

32:28This is him continuing to fear monger and fundraise hundreds of millions of dollars.

32:32More importantly, they could build a moral panic that Democrats could use to sway elections

32:36and defame political targets. This is more than just alleged mass financial fraud.

32:42It's bad. Yeah. Top funder.

32:44That's a problem. And that's not true.

32:44Of neo -Nazis and KKK members.

32:47I mean, what an honor.

32:48What an honor. From a group that says they want to fight neo -Nazis and

32:54KKK members. But yeah, that line, you know, about the supply just not meeting the

32:59demand. We should be grateful for that.

33:02We should be happy. Well, my friend Lindsay, who did have a friend who worked

33:06at SPLC, has an anecdote of when she was that young employee was showing the

33:12map that he was working on.

33:14And was told by leadership, it looks too empty.

33:17You've got to fill it up.

33:18And he's like, but are we doing those Nazis?

33:21Yeah. Are we doing the thing?

33:22Or create them. Less hate is good, right?

33:25No, no, no. Not for donors.

33:27Yeah. I also think that any group that has aligned with SPLC should be ashamed

33:33and embarrassed today. The ADL, for example, they worked with the SPLC to target PayPal,

33:40people who used PayPal. And they said these were extremists.

33:43And, of course, you know, they debanked them from PayPal.

33:47I know that that's not quite the term because PayPal is not a bank, but

33:50they stopped them from using their services because they were extremists.

33:53And now it turns out the SPLC probably paid those extremists.

33:57Yet another institution just happy to give away.

34:02Burned to the ground. All right.

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38:47We are back on Normally, where Brian Schwartz at The Wall Street Journal reports this

38:53scoop. The Trump administration and Spirit Airlines are nearing a deal where the U .S.

38:58government would put up to $500 million into Spirit Airlines stock warrants to try to

39:03save the company, leading to a potential significant stake in the company.

39:08To which I say, why?

39:11No. Why? No, no, no, no, no.

39:14Why would we do this?

39:15It makes no sense. It just, I, I, you know, our friend Bethany Mandel, our

39:20good friend Bethany Mandel, she tweeted, as somebody who regularly buys eight tickets at a

39:26time, I'm grateful to see this.

39:28We can't afford to be snobs about airlines.

39:30The JetBlue merger was stopped by the Biden administration.

39:33The war has doubled the price of jet fuel.

39:36I'm not a fan of most bailouts.

39:38This makes sense to me.

39:39What I would say is I have nothing against Spirit.

39:42I fly Spirit when they are the ones who can get me from point A

39:47to point B the fastest.

39:48And sometimes they are. They fly certain routes that other people just don't fly.

39:52So this is not snobbery.

39:55I have been on Spirit many times.

39:57And in fact, I think that they're frequently a great deal.

40:00And their big front seat, which is like, you know, their first class costs the

40:04same as coach on other airlines.

40:06It's great. I'm super pro it.

40:08I'm anti becoming an owner of the company.

40:12I don't want the, I, I don't want the government to own part of Spirit

40:16Airlines. This is like two government mess ups in two separate administrations of different kinds.

40:23It's the first in the Biden administration that, hey, you could have just let them

40:28of their own free will and volition merged with JetBlue, who was trying to acquire

40:33them. And that would have been two discount airlines rolled into one and all those

40:37assets would have come together and they could have had more, more ability to, to

40:41put a profitable business forward.

40:44And that would have been great.

40:46And that's what should have happened.

40:47But the Biden administration did say no to that.

40:49That was bad. But it is not my responsibility to rescue Spirit when the Biden

40:54administration screwed them over. I wish things had gone differently, but I don't want to

40:59own this airline. And the thing is, like, I get her point about oil prices,

41:04but Spirit, this is not a new bankruptcy.

41:06They entered bankruptcy a while ago and oil was, you know, in the 70s at

41:12that point, a barrel. So this is not about the price of jet fuel.

41:17If you can't sustain yourself when oil prices are lower, you probably can't sustain yourself

41:22at all. And I don't see why they can't look around for a buyer that

41:28isn't, again, me and you.

41:30Well, and also, you know what the Trump administration could do?

41:34Return the termination fee for the old merger to JetBlue and say, please use this

41:40as a down payment to do the thing you should have done that I'm sorry,

41:43the stupid government wouldn't let you do.

41:44But now you're good. Just sail.

41:46Go for it. Yeah, that's that would be okay.

41:49Right. Because like JetBlue paid like 70 million dollars or something to get out of

41:54that deal once they determined that they couldn't do it.

41:58Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

42:01I mean, and also for buying airlines, I have some other ones I'd like to

42:04buy first. Just actually JetBlue, JetBlue is teetering.

42:08JetBlue is a far more competent airline.

42:12And if we're going to own one, again, this is why we shouldn't buy airlines.

42:17No. This is why, because it makes no sense.

42:21And I'm with you. I was not consulted.

42:23I'm with you. I'm not a discount airline hater.

42:26I'm not an airline hater.

42:27I'm actually quite sympathetic to the fact that it's very hard to operate in the

42:31environment that they're in doing what they're doing, particularly post 2020 and all the business

42:35that they lost. Combining airlines is a really good way to solve that problem and

42:40to make sure that they can survive.

42:42And and the government wouldn't let them do that.

42:44I'm also just anti the government saying when people can merge of their own free

42:48will in a free country anyway.

42:50Yeah, that's that's probably one of my more radical views.

42:52I don't even think they should have a say.

42:54Yeah. I don't understand the argument against them merging.

42:57It's just, you know, it's just lefties being lefties.

43:00Just put their fingers in everything and be like, no, that's too big.

43:04Oh, it's too big to have two small airlines together.

43:08Yeah. And they're the ones who really make it harder for big families to travel.

43:13It isn't up to us to save these companies that cater to bigger families.

43:19It has to be a free market solution.

43:21I think the more we move away from that, the worse it'll be for us

43:24all, because this isn't the last time we're going to be bailing out, you know,

43:28some airline or some company and just such a tough and bad path to be

43:34on. Yeah. And Trump, unfortunately, has a penchant for acquiring stakes in these companies.

43:39I say no to all of them.

43:41No, thank you. Yeah. I don't want them.

43:42Not a fan. Not a fan of that at all.

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