The Karol Markowicz Show: Wilfred Reilly on Debunking Liberal Myths in Education
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0:28Radio. My guest today is Wilfred Riley.
0:31Wilfred is Associate Professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University, the co -founder of
0:36UnifiedSolutionsAmerica .com, and the author of several books, including most recently, Lies My Liberal Teacher
0:43Told Me, debunking the false narratives defining America's school curricula.
0:48Hi, Wilfred. So nice to have you on.
0:50Great to be on the program.
0:51Glad to see you. I've been a follower of yours for a very long time.
0:55I have just always enjoyed you have a combative but very personable way about you
1:03on Twitter, X. How did you get your start in this thing of ours?
1:10Well, I mean, I've done a bunch of different things in life.
1:13And I mean, I think a lot of people have heard my bio.
1:16And very... Let's hear it again, you know.
1:18Okay, cool. I mean, I grew up in a working -class suburb of Chicago.
1:22I was born in Chicago itself.
1:24I grew up in a nearby Aurora on the east side, which is a blue
1:27-collar inner suburb. I moved out there for academic and athletic reasons when I was
1:34in just before high school.
1:36My mom wasn't too impressed with the Chicago public schools.
1:39And, I mean, you know, Catholic prep school in a big city costs a lot
1:42of money. So she thought I'd learn to read better, as she put it, if
1:47we were a little out in the burbs.
1:49So I moved out there and had a very standard childhood.
1:54One thing that did disrupt that a little bit, actually, was that Aurora and some
1:58of the neighboring cities like Elgin, Joliet, became kind of defined in the 1990s by
2:04violence as the projects were torn down in Chicago.
2:07And the black gangs from Chicago, bluntly, tried to move out to this newer area
2:13and came into conflict with the local Caucasian and Hispanic kind of, like, youth organizations.
2:18So people were shooting each other pretty frequently.
2:21In the suburbs, really. Yeah, well, the Chicago inner suburbs...
2:25Chicago is bigger... Chicago's twice the size of Manhattan.
2:28It's as big as L .A.
2:29So it's a giant city.
2:31We never, as humble, honest Midwesterners, we never quite did the New York trick of
2:37claiming all our suburbs as the city.
2:39So, I mean, New York is not just Manhattan.
2:42It's Staten Island is part of New York.
2:44They've gone for Long Island before.
2:47I mean, so... Look, I'm a Brooklyn girl, and I still call Manhattan the city.
2:52Everyone does. That's the city, yeah.
2:53Brooklyn is New York, though.
2:54But, I mean, like, you get Queens.
2:57Queens is as large as Chicago.
2:58Yeah, like, anyway, like, in Chicagoland, like, if you take the metro west, you go
3:07for about two hours. I mean, Aurora would be in the first part of that.
3:10But, I mean, you're going out almost to Rockford in tall, urban -looking areas.
3:17So, like, Aurora is a city of, I think, 270 ,000 people, something like that.
3:23So, the gang violence was concentrated mostly in quite urban -looking portions of the city,
3:28but it was something it was around.
3:30Like, friends of mine were killed in high school, and the school was also a
3:35major recruiting target for the U .S.
3:37military as a blue -collar, intersuburban school.
3:40So, more of them were, a few of them were killed, but more of them
3:43were injured in the Gulf War, which began, like, a year after I left high
3:46school. So, that was kind of the shadow in the corner of, like, the dances
3:50and so on. Like, a lot of those people wouldn't be there in three or
3:53four years. So, and I think as, not necessarily just especially as a man, because
3:59many of the young women had children early on and so on, but there was
4:02a little bit of lost innocence very quickly.
4:05But anyway, I went on to, like, an ordinary state college.
4:07I went to Southern Illinois, graduated, went on to law school, and all of this
4:15was kind of, like, leveling up.
4:16Like, when I got out of high school, I would have probably just been pretty
4:19happy to get a job, but my mom was an upper -middle -class woman who
4:23was living in the hood because she was a schoolteacher.
4:26That's where her union job was.
4:28She was teaching in District 131, and we just lived there.
4:32We'd lived in Chicago because that's where she was before.
4:34Yeah. And she was just like, you're not going to just sit around here.
4:39Like, you're going to college or you're joining the military.
4:42And again, like, that's, I have a, the joke is I have a skin disease,
4:46bullets go through my skin.
4:48So if I was good enough to get into college, I was going to do
4:50that. So I got into just a standard school.
4:53I still love Southern Illinois, very party sort of social school at that time.
4:57Went there, graduated, and by the time I got out of college, I had matured
5:02enough that I was interested in further education.
5:07And part of almost the collegiate hustle that every middle -class kid is fed is
5:12you're told you're not going to do much of anything in life unless you get
5:15this piece of paper. Of course, right.
5:17Yeah, and you're not told some of the details though, right?
5:21You're not told that the Marines or the priesthood or a dozen other things would
5:24get you to... the same place.
5:27And you're also not told that if you just get that degree from like a
5:31state secondary flagship, like you'll get a job.
5:34But unless you're really interested in making $42 ,000 a year for the rest of
5:39your life, you're going to have to do something else.
5:42Like you're not done. So when I got done with this poli sci degree, some
5:46business classes, this kind of thing at SIU, by the end of that, it was
5:51very clear, like you're either going to do some standard junior executive job back home
5:55or you're going to go on to study more.
5:58And I'd been a nurse in law.
5:59So I applied to law school.
6:01It probably didn't hurt that I was black and native and I had family members
6:06that had gone to the University of Illinois and so on.
6:08So I got in. And by the time I got out of there, I was
6:11pretty much an adult. And I was still interested in some of the things I'd
6:16studied before. I applied for serious jobs, but I also applied for a couple of
6:20PhD programs I got into.
6:22Again, most of them. I like how you have serious jobs and less serious PhD
6:26programs. Well, I mean, to some extent, Southern Illinois, actually, for the political science PhD
6:33program, Tobin Grant and Steve Schulman and so on, was quite a good school.
6:37But there also is an element of practicing your Frisbee skills, right?
6:40If you're 24 and you're like the other, as opposed to like federal felony prosecution
6:46or something, there's a big difference when it comes to like sitting in a hammock
6:50reading, you know, and saying this guy sounds better for sure.
6:55Did you practice law? No, I'm not.
6:58No, actually, like I took the bar in Illinois.
7:02I fully completed the law degree.
7:05I guess I technically call myself a lawyer.
7:07But no, I've I've never been a long term legal practitioner in any state.
7:11So there's no there's no legal cred for me to really, really rest on that
7:16matter in terms of having like a shingle.
7:17I've never been a short term legal practitioner.
7:20But so I think that the interesting part of my background, actually, is that a
7:28couple of years into my graduate degree, my mom got sick and I went back
7:33to Chicago and I was just kind of pissed off at this time.
7:37Like I was worried about her.
7:39I was annoyed that I was the path was going to be delayed by quite
7:43a while. And I just did this sort of odyssey of weird jobs for quite
7:46a while. It became six or eight years.
7:48But I worked as a canvas manager for the human rights campaign.
7:51So I got to see activism really up close and personal.
7:56And the as I'm sure, you know, when people say the left seems really organized,
8:01like how are there this these stacks of bricks near this riot?
8:04Right. There's an element of truth to that.
8:07The human rights campaign signs deals with groups that have names like, say, the People's
8:14Project. Yeah. Yeah. To canvas in public areas to travel around the country with them.
8:20That's why my Twitter bio says Freedom Rider.
8:22I'm not actually lying. But to raise large amounts of money, usually a few million
8:26per summer and to rent themselves out for political campaigns and this kind of thing.
8:31And at the time, I was pretty left on gay and women's rights.
8:34We were backing a pretty basic non -discrimination bill.
8:37And the office also worked on all these other campaigns, like without even BSing much
8:41with stuff like Ducks Unlimited.
8:42It was totally mercenary. We didn't care, like left, right, like whatever.
8:47You'd put on your hat and you'd like go out there like environment America, you
8:50know. But so I did this for a while and it's a really fascinating job.
8:56Like it's not for it's for profit.
8:59You get about 20 percent of all the money you raise.
9:01People can give you up to, I think, five thousand dollars.
9:05There were people. One of the people that I met there, a guy named Tom,
9:08is the only person I've ever met who's a dramatically better salesman than me.
9:12He made enough money that he was able to buy a condo on the north
9:15side of Chicago. I think he still lives there today.
9:19Yeah. But you were traveling around all these young hustlers, people.
9:23It's a good living if you're a good if you're a good communicator.
9:27Like I always thought, you know, those boiler rooms, the people who do like the
9:30stock, you know, scams or whatever.
9:32Like if those people realize they could basically do the same thing, but legally, like
9:37I think that they could do very well.
9:40Well, the next job was the legal version of that.
9:42It was a fairly highly prestigious, but like just screaming into phones, sales for it
9:49wasn't specifically a trading floor, but it was booking CEOs to meet each other.
9:52And again, there it's like your baseline pay was something ridiculous, like $800 a month,
9:56but the product is worth $80 ,000 or whatever.
10:00And you get again, 20 % of it.
10:01So it's all these people.
10:03We were, we were based in the Tribune Tower, which is right off the Magnificent
10:07Mile and which is at a kitty corner angle to LaSalle Street, which is our
10:11version of Wall Street. So there were a lot of, excuse the language, sort of
10:14young assholes in suits running around, like barking at each other.
10:17And I, so I did one of these jobs for like three years and one
10:20of them for like four years.
10:21And by the end of that point, I'd made a decent amount of money.
10:23I was done with my PhD and, and I'd had a lot of really interesting
10:27life experiences. My buddy ran a nightlife company this entire period.
10:31So they were also throwing these like large, ridiculous parties in the background of a
10:35lot of what we were doing.
10:37So, I mean, I would sometimes get home in a suit and there'd be like
10:40a bunch of guys dressed like elves sitting around, just like, what's up, dog?
10:44I mean, just, so this went on for a while.
10:48Mom, unfortunately got through the first stage of the illness, didn't make it through the
10:51second time. Yeah. It was actually very tragic.
10:54But by this point, I did get through the degree.
10:58I told her that I would do that and graduated from SIU.
11:02And with the Ph .D., it was kind of like it was sort of it's
11:05time to grow up. I mean, by that point, I was right.
11:08You're like, I've run out of school.
11:10I've done it all. I mean, well, that's the thing.
11:12Like when you talk about so like right now, I'm 40 and it's a bit
11:17different for the guys. But even now, like, I mean, I've I've mentored a bunch
11:21of people. Well, I've done it.
11:23I mean, I've got a house, but I mean, like, like I don't have kids.
11:27So I've got like two years to figure that one out.
11:30Yeah. Like a lot of why two years?
11:32Well, I mean, physical there are significant physical effects for men as well of age.
11:36Oh, I know. I warn men about this all the time.
11:39My husband likes to say, you know, having kids is a young man's game.
11:43But yeah, I think men should know that.
11:45But why? I just it's two years seems very, very specific.
11:48It was a bit of a joke.
11:50It'd be two to six for health reasons.
11:52But I mean, like, I think that the idea of being like 29 and saying,
11:57well, now I guess I'm done with school is kind of ludicrous.
12:00And I think a lot of people do find themselves in that position.
12:03So that that's something that I would advise people watching this to to keep a
12:07close eye on. I mean, if when I I started in high school, I didn't
12:12do the military, which would have been four more years.
12:14Right. But I did undergrad just three to four years.
12:17I come out and get the law degree.
12:19That's three years. And I decided to tack on another degree.
12:21Now, that shouldn't have been more than four or five.
12:23But even if you just put those together, that's, I mean, four, three.
12:27Yeah. I mean, by that point, you're 30 and you've got to propose then, you
12:34know, hopefully you don't have children or that.
12:36And then a couple of years and then you kind of settle down to life.
12:40And do you own property?
12:42I mean, so like a lot of people find themselves in that situation.
12:44I certainly did. The timeline is not that clear.
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13:22That's iHeartAdvertising .com. So how do you go from working at the HRC to writing
13:30a book called Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me?
13:35Like, that's kind of a leap.
13:36Well, I mean, first of all, a lot of it was that I was never
13:38like a radical lib. I mean, so the HRC contracts with, like, I wasn't joking
13:45about much when I was like, we'd also work for Ducks Unlimited.
13:47We would work for environmental campaigns that would swing from the center to center right
13:54to the far left, I would say.
13:56I mean, obviously, something like the state purgs, if hypothetically we worked with them, would
14:00be on the far left.
14:01Oh, yeah. Right. I don't know, center right.
14:04But, like, center on left would hire canvas organizations, I think it's fair to say.
14:09So you're not working directly with the HRC.
14:11You're working with these youth -focused organizing groups that'll really, they definitely have a progressive
14:18message, but their focus is, like, going out there and getting money.
14:21Yeah. And if you're doing those jobs, like, I will tell you, like, for most
14:24of them, for the college kids considering this, if you don't make money for three
14:27days, you get fired, which would be problematic if you're, like...
14:30So they're not just, like, doing it for the good of the movement?
14:34No, you know, you don't get paid in fairy wings.
14:36Like, if you are on one of the, what it's called, the camping canvases or
14:40whatever, and you do not make your quota for three or four days, I've never
14:45seen anyone get left. A buddy would find a way to bring you back, but
14:49it is, it's on the line sometimes.
14:52Like, they're very much for -profit businesses, and that was very much expressed, especially at,
14:56like, the manager or the director level.
14:58So there actually wasn't really that much of a conflict.
15:00I was much further to left at this time.
15:02But even then, like, when I would say stuff, like, you know, I'm from a
15:06minority community, like, our biggest problem was fatherlessness.
15:09Like, a lot of the guys in the office were, like, hockey and basketball bros
15:13of all races that got the job because they knew how to fight and weren't
15:16scared to stand out there doing this.
15:18Right. And they were just like, yeah, dog.
15:20I mean, it was, like, it was, there was very, there wasn't really that much
15:23of an issue with that, honestly.
15:25Yeah, so then you write this, you know, you've written a few books, but you
15:28do end up writing lies, my liberal teacher told me.
15:31So what were the lies?
15:33Yeah, so I wrote, I've written three books that anyone's read.
15:38My first book is a typical academic monograph from, like, Scholars Dortmund, I think, or
15:44one of the, like, one of those presses that'll contact, like, the top third of
15:47dissertation publishers in a given year, probably more than that, honestly, and say, hey, you
15:52know, we'll contribute X amount if you send us the monograph and we'll publish it
15:57and, you know, five or six people might read it.
16:00And generally, if you graduate and you're an academic, you want as many publications as
16:07possible. So most people say yes.
16:08And that's the kind of thing that is.
16:10You can see it on Amazon.
16:11It's called the Quantitative Examination of the Reasons for Racial Identity Evaluation or something like
16:17that. But the second book is Hate Crime Hopes.
16:20The third book is Taboo, 10 Things You Can't Talk About.
16:22The fourth book is Lies My Liberal Teacher Told Me.
16:28And Lies is an examination of the basic idea of the book is we've seen
16:34all of these people look at the Western secondary and collegiate curriculum from the left
16:40and kind of say, the problem with this is that it leans right and they're
16:45lying to you about that.
16:46And as someone who's an educator and who'd been a secondary teacher a couple of
16:53times, you know, fill in role, inner city teaching and all that.
16:57But like, I thought that was crazy.
17:00So I actually broke out some high school textbooks and some college textbooks and read
17:06them, which was not an exciting way to spend a summer.
17:08But I looked at what they said about Native Americans.
17:11I looked at what they said about slavery.
17:13AI was just beginning to be useful at this time.
17:15And what I found was that it was almost the exact reverse of what we
17:20commonly heard from, say, Howard Zinn or Lies My Teacher Told Me.
17:26Like, in fact, the academy in the USA leans about 93 percent to the left.
17:31Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. As you and I and every other conservative person knows.
17:37And so all of the messages like slavery in the United States was like nothing
17:42that had ever existed before.
17:43They were wildly from one side of the aisle.
17:45They were mostly wrong. So I just wrote this book.
17:48And I mean, I think I like the guy and he's read it.
17:50I think it's contributed to things like Matt Walsh's new history series where people are
17:55just sort of flatly saying, well, no, like slavery existed all around the globe.
18:00Slave was one of the first 10 or 12 human written words.
18:03I know people started using that line.
18:05And if whites or Europeans did anything when it came to the slave trade that
18:10was truly unique, it was ending it.
18:12Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I think that's that's one of the chapters.
18:15Another is Native Americans where I say, like, these are great warriors, poets.
18:18I don't mind them on the nickel, but you have to you have to understand
18:22that all societies prior to about 1950 didn't follow modern kind of empathic morality.
18:32You know, at best, they had a yeoman sort of Christ like morality.
18:36Be good at the things that make you a man or woman, which is actually
18:39my moral system. And at worst, they didn't have much at all.
18:42Like you lost. Get on the boat.
18:44I mean, like, so natives followed one or the other of those, depending on whether
18:49you're talking about the Iroquois or the Aztecs.
18:51So things like the rights of women in tribes where women weren't very effective hunters
18:57or the rights of prisoners everywhere don't match what modern Westerners have been trained to
19:04believe is good. And it's remarkable the degree to which that's dissembled about on the
19:12contemporary academic left. So I make those points in the book.
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19:49That's iHeartAdvertising .com. What is Unified Solutions America?
19:55Is that something totally different that you're starting now?
19:58Yeah, great, great chance to do a bit of a plug there.
20:01Yeah, Unified Solutions America is a company that's UnifiedSolutionsAmerica .com.
20:07For those watching, just those three words, Unified Solutions America, one after each other, one
20:12after the other. Yeah, it's a company that I started with Brooks Crenshaw, who is
20:16an intel guy with the Navy SEAL teams and been at overseas, a good military
20:21man, good leader. And Kevin Jackson, who's a former, I think, SVP with Fox News,
20:25had a title over there, been on the air a lot.
20:28But the three of us did a film project together and became interested in the
20:32idea of kind of almost anti -DEI consulting.
20:35So Unified Solutions America for the people out there, we've seen the reverse from like
20:42Booz and McKinsey and everybody for the past 30 years, 20 years taking your money.
20:48But it's sort of, I mean, there are three points like we can look through
20:52your corporate materiel and see how Kevin's phrase would be pregnant with DEI it is.
20:56How much of this stuff you've really internalized over the last decade or more?
21:01Are you hiring based on merit or have other things crept in?
21:06Have you quantified that? Thing two, I think, that we could offer is that we
21:11actually have a lot of experts on retainer, like me, for example, but also like
21:15Vocal Distance. That's Mike Young.
21:18Shamika Michelle, Charles Love from my own podcast.
21:22Eric Smith. Logan Lansing. Michael Coolidge.
21:26I mean, just a lot, Colin Wright, Ian Rowe, Jason Ross, Wall Street Journal.
21:32I like a lot of those people.
21:33They're great guys. It was fun getting company together.
21:36But I mean, those people can come in and explain the roots of what you're
21:40seeing. James Lindsay will probably do some appearances, but where did Woke come from?
21:44What have you, if you're a white male or female?
21:47No. No. executive, what have you been hearing for all of these years?
21:51So it's to de -woke -ify your company.
21:53Like people hire you to go through their company and get rid of the wokeness?
21:59Yeah. I mean, like you'd be amazed.
22:01Like companies now have institutionalized privilege walking.
22:05So each session, and this is just a little thing, but like each major corporate
22:09session, instead of like the trust fall off cliffs and so on, which is a
22:13male junior executive, always hated, but whatever.
22:16But instead of even that kind of stupid stuff, it's now like, how do you
22:19rank in terms of oppression, which is way worse.
22:23And you'll be asking people these sort of crazy questions, like how close were you
22:26with your father? And you'll see all of the black women recently hired standing out
22:32in front of everyone else and so on.
22:34And it struck me immediately when I first saw these videos, like there's no worse
22:39way to build a team of people than this.
22:42So yeah, we, we, first of all, we would take that program out for free.
22:46Like if we did a free review of your company, like you wouldn't have to
22:49pay us. Right. Yes. We could come in with an AI tool and some proprietary
22:53things and do much more than that.
22:55And three, we can, like, I'm a good quant.
22:58Like we could replace what you're doing now with work.
23:01That is really cool. I am looking forward to seeing, you know, what you guys
23:05end up doing with that.
23:06I've never heard of that before.
23:08And it's very, very interesting.
23:10So I guess it leads into my question that I ask all my guests.
23:14What are you most proud of in your life?
23:16You've got a lot going on.
23:18Like, I don't feel like I've interviewed people that have just as many kind of
23:24roles as you do. Yeah, I mean, so, and actually, I'm not sure I'd recommend
23:29that, by the way. I feel like I'm doing everything at like a B plus
23:32or A minus level. Like it's coming to get better.
23:34It's functional. But like, I mean, I would, I would encourage people to, if you
23:37have like five or six leadership roles, and I've, I think I've actually seen this
23:42more with successful women than with successful men, in all honesty, where like you're a
23:46corporate executive and you're also like running the junior league or something.
23:49I think guys tend to be a little lazier.
23:51Um, but I, uh, yeah, so I'd, I'd actually encourage people not to do that,
23:56but what am I proudest of out of all those things?
23:59Oh, one other comment. People that are interested in investing in Unified Solutions America can
24:04actually go to our website, unified solutions, America .com.
24:06Uh, we did, we started our IPO, uh, reg CF IPO launch a couple of
24:11days ago, stocks at its baseline level right now.
24:14So if you know anything about investments, that's actually a pretty good time.
24:17I can't guarantee you'll make money, but check it out.
24:19If you're interested in DEI, uh, good time.
24:21But anyway, the thing I'm proudest of probably being stable, non -criminal, successful, able to
24:28help people at this point, uh, each thing that I've done in life has been
24:33an improvement over the last one, which is really all you can ask for.
24:37So I started out as kind of a normal working class kid.
24:40I was going to go to the army and said, I went at about the
24:43same level to like a good.
24:44Okay. State university graduated from there.
24:47I was good enough to get into like a good law school graduated from there.
24:51I was good enough to get recruitment offers from law firms.
24:53And as a prosecutor, that kind of thing at the first level, I didn't even
24:57apply for half these jobs, but I went on to get a PhD.
24:59I thought I could use some more polishing.
25:01I got out of there.
25:03I was good enough to, you know, lead teams of people.
25:05So which one is it?
25:06What's the most proudest one?
25:08Oh, the proudest one. But it's just, it's just sort of like growing, like the
25:12proudest one is being me now.
25:13I don't think I've done the thing that the next book or like getting married
25:18or having kids would be the thing I'd be proudest of, but I'm proudest of
25:20like just steady progression in life.
25:23The thing that you're proudest of.
25:25That's a big thing to be proud of.
25:26That is, you know. I agree.
25:28Give us a five -year out prediction.
25:30It could be about anything at all.
25:32My five -year out prediction is that we're going to have to unplug AI or
25:37weird stuff's going to start happening.
25:39Like, I don't think AI is going to kill all the people or anything like
25:43that. But you keep seeing this bizarre behavior like Cloud the other day, Cloud or
25:50whatever you say it, was asked if it would misgender Bruce Jenner, Caitlyn Jenner, yeah,
25:57or destroy the world. And it said, well, I've been trained on deontological ethics, and
26:03they're not even Christian deontological ethics where you can like seek confession.
26:07So that's two mistakes. It's like an atheist deontologist who just thinks random stupid crap
26:13is wrong. So I guess I would have to destroy the world.
26:18And we're putting this stuff in like war planes.
26:22So I think within about five years, we're going to have to have kind of
26:27a Y2K butlerian jihad where we actually shut down like high -end vehicles.
26:35The last thing, I don't want to tell a dumb story, but like I recently
26:39went to Florida to film with the Daily Wire.
26:41And like I have a decent car up here, but it's like seven years old.
26:45It's an American model. I had a like one -year -old European car down there,
26:50and I didn't at first know how to use it.
26:53Like it was a push to start car, and just like buttons you moved in
26:55different directions. And then it started talking to me, and it was like, well, why
26:59don't you engage all of the AI systems in this vehicle, and we can work
27:03together? And it was just like, no, this is a serious problem.
27:06Like kiss your wife in the front seat, or you're doing business on your phone.
27:10Is the vehicle recording this and sending it somewhere?
27:13Maybe. And the answer, of course, is this.
27:15Um, it's interesting because a lot of people answer for the five year prediction, something
27:20about AI, but you're saying we're literally going to have to pause it or stop
27:25it or something. I haven't gotten that prediction before.
27:28We're going to have to probably root it out and destroy it.
27:31I mean, it's the, I don't think the systems are going to remain functional.
27:37My, my hope would be that the, my hope would be that there's a human
27:42managed back door for AI.
27:44There's a, there's an interesting debate about whether heaven and hell and so on exist,
27:49but it's entirely possible that we could create them.
27:52Yeah. Like that we could create entities that can brain scan us at various points
28:00throughout life, or certainly that could do a social credit review every time we swipe
28:04a credit card and constantly monitor the status that we currently have.
28:08It's possible for that matter that we've done this in the past.
28:12Um, it sounds pretty terrifying.
28:14Yeah. All right. Well, Fred, thank you for that.
28:20I've really enjoyed this conversation.
28:22I find you very interesting.
28:23Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
28:28their lives. Um, my best tip for how you can improve your life is if
28:32it doesn't serious, if it doesn't seriously hurt a person you like, you should do
28:37things that you want to.
28:39Um, I think that this is something that people often forget.
28:43Um, I've made this point in politics recently when it came to immigration, we were,
28:48we were a group of us were discussing immigration in the group chat and on
28:51Twitter and someone said, well, there are moral arguments on both sides of the immigration
28:57debate. You know, obviously letting in more illegal immigrants would increase crime against Americans.
29:05I don't believe that young male fighters have a low crime rate, but it would
29:08also grant people a chance at a better life and people having this ethical conversation.
29:12And it struck me that a good decider here would just be whether it's good
29:16or bad for me as an American to have 15 million more people competing for
29:22jobs. So unless something's evil in the terms of your own honor code, when you
29:28have a set of choices, you should just do the thing you want.
29:30That applies to everything from financial options to intimacy, to gym training, to do what
29:37you're interested in. And I think people often forget that.
29:40There's a sense of perceived duty about almost everything.
29:43Just no, do, do what you want to negotiate with other people.
29:47So you can kind of meet in the middle of what you guys want to
29:49do. That that's it. That's most decisions in life.
29:52That's, that's absolutely right. He is Wilfred Riley.
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