Hour 2 - Resistance Judiciary
4/23/202637 mincomplete
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome in. Hour number two.
0:06Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
0:09We've been talking about the latest in Iran.
0:12We have been talking about the Virginia judge in the circuit court blocking the map
0:18that would give 10 Democrat seats, one Republican seat.
0:22How that might implicate Florida going forward.
0:24All of that we are continuing to monitor as different stories continue to move out
0:32there. We should mention stock market yet again setting record highs across much of the
0:39country this week, whether it's the NASDAQ, whether it's the Dow, whether it's the S
0:44&P 500. Oil prices remaining relatively constant, not moving very much, although they're up a
0:52couple of percent today as we await news about what might be happening in Iran.
0:57Buck and I both talked a lot about the latest implications there and where we
1:02might be headed. But I wanted to hit, we were just talking about how judges
1:07have come to occupy, I think, would you sign on with this thesis, Buck?
1:13Judges right now are more powerful, maybe in terms of narrative cycle, than we have
1:21ever seen in the history, the modern history of the country.
1:24I mean, if you think about the whole 2024 election, the Trump criminal charges, the
1:30Trump civil charges, what a state like Colorado could or could not do when it
1:35came to Trump being on a ballot, obviously the fallout of Dobbs, so many other
1:41cases out there. In general, would you agree with me?
1:45And obviously everything that the judges were ruling surrounding COVID, and now everything that they've
1:50been ruling surrounding presidential powers.
1:53I don't know that there's ever been a time where when I look down at
1:57my phone, at any given moment, a judge can issue a ruling that completely redirects
2:03our entire national political discourse.
2:06I'm not sure we've ever seen anything like this.
2:09You sign on to that idea in general that the power of judges to influence
2:14the direction of the country feels like it is ascendant at a level that has
2:18traditionally not been the case.
2:20Well, yeah, it's become a standard joke in the Trump era that Donald Trump thought
2:25he was going to have a Big Mac and a Diet Coke for dinner, but
2:28that a Ninth Circuit judge put in an injunction, right?
2:31That this has become a farce where the way that you can stymie your political
2:37opponents, or rather the way that an ideology in this country can stymie political opponents
2:42is through any hashtag... No one uses hashtags anymore, I guess.
2:48Any resistance... Remember when that was a thing?
2:51I was never... You were never a hashtag guy, were you?
2:54Not really, no. I was always like, that seems like not...
2:57I did them for fun, for fun, like just kind of make fun of the
3:00fact that hashtags existed, you know, like as kind of comedic elements, but that was
3:04really the sum total of it.
3:06But the resistance judiciary in Trump's first term and now in his second term, it
3:11is very much the case that they view themselves as a bulwark against Trumpism.
3:19And they specifically do things, I think, knowing they're going to be overturned, but they
3:25don't care and they have lifetime appointments, and so they stop policy instead of interpreting
3:31law and the actions of government with regard to the Constitution.
3:36So yeah, that's a big thing.
3:37Usually those federal judges that do all this stuff, they can get overturned, and it's
3:43a lot easier to stop.
3:45I think it's harder for a federal judge to just create a new law out
3:50of whole cloth the way the Supreme Court did with, say, the right to privacy
3:54and Roe v. Wade. Fortunately, we have a good court right now.
3:57Can you imagine this conversation if we had a six...
4:01Imagine if we had six Katanji Brown -Jackson, Sotomayors, and Kagans...
4:07For generations. For generations. Ahead of us.
4:10I think the Constitution would be fully unrecognizable at the...
4:13Well, I should say the way, you know, the way that all this went would
4:17be we wouldn't know what country we were in.
4:20I mean, it would feel entirely different from where we are now as a regime
4:24of law, and we've got problems now, but I think it would just...
4:28Any pretense that we still have a Constitution would just evaporate.
4:33Yes. Okay, so here is why I want to prelude this.
4:38Let's have some fun with this, and I hope that they're not soon to be
4:42a sponsor. Buck, have you ever flown Spirit Airlines?
4:46Yes, of course. In your entire life?
4:48Of course. You know, of course.
4:49The best flight when I was still living in New York and I was coming
4:53out to visit you, the best Friday flight from Nashville for my schedule was Spirit
4:58Airlines. And I have to tell you, their fancy first seat on that plane was
5:03pretty spacious. It's like a lazy boy recliner.
5:08I have been on Spirit Airlines.
5:10As a general rule, I fly, you know, Buck flies a lot too.
5:14I've flown pretty much every airline.
5:16If you ask me to tell you what the worst airline I've ever flown was
5:20in the modern era, I would say Spirit Airlines.
5:23Um, Now, they have just basically a Greyhound -style model of the overall business.
5:31For those of you who have not flown it, you pay $40 or something to
5:34get on the plane, and then you end up paying $250 for your flight by
5:38the time you actually are able to get bags checked and everything else.
5:42I mean, I just don't like particularly that style of process.
5:47This just happened to me out recently with my son last year.
5:52We were traveling spirit because, to Buck's point, it was the best one to fly
5:58somewhere, I think, from California to Denver.
6:01And when I got up to the check -in point, we each had a backpack.
6:06We were traveling very, very light.
6:08And they said, I'm sorry, you're going to have to pay $100 to carry on
6:12each of your backpacks. And I was just in disbelief.
6:16They said, no, no, when you buy your ticket, in order to carry on a
6:20bag, you have to buy a ticket for the bag to carry on.
6:24I'm not talking about check -a -bag.
6:25And if you haven't bought your carry -on ticket, then you get charged.
6:31I think it was $100 for two backpacks.
6:34Well, but, you know, Clay, I know you do a little bit of at -home
6:37boxing. So, at least think of the possibility that you might get to put your
6:41skills to use on your next Spirit Airlines flight.
6:45Things can get a little testy there sometimes.
6:47Yeah, I boxed this morning, three days a week, nine rounds.
6:50So, with that in mind, Spirit Airlines had actually agreed.
6:56I think this is a really significant story that should get way more attention.
7:00Spirit Airlines, Buck, I don't know if you followed this case.
7:03I was following it. Spirit Airlines had agreed to be purchased by JetBlue, another low
7:08-cost, in theory, airline. And I believe the purchase price team, you guys can correct
7:14me if I'm wrong on these details, but my recollection is purchase price was around
7:18$3 .8 billion. The Biden administration sued and said, no, this will be ultimately less
7:27beneficial to the overall consumer if we allow this merger to take place.
7:33They sued and said that it was going to be an antitrust violation, that it
7:38would be bad for consumers if Spirit and JetBlue merged.
7:42Spirit argued, to their credit, if we don't merge, we're going to go bankrupt.
7:49A federal court judge, who is over 80 years old, had a trial, ruled, hey,
7:57you know what? The Biden administration is right.
7:59We shouldn't allow this merger to happen.
8:02It's going to hurt consumers if it does.
8:05Within a few months, Spirit Airlines filed for bankruptcy.
8:10So if you owned Spirit Airlines stock, you got completely wiped out.
8:16It went into bankruptcy. And now, having come out of bankruptcy, it is preparing to
8:22go into bankruptcy again. And they are talking about the United States government taking a
8:29substantial ownership stake in Spirit.
8:32But to try to keep, I think they have around 10 ,000 employees to try
8:35to keep the entire airline from shutting down.
8:39But question for you, and I tweeted about this earlier, when a judge gets things
8:44this wrong, shouldn't he be fired?
8:48Like, Spirit's argument was, if we don't do this merger, we're going to go bankrupt.
8:52Joe Biden's team said, no, Americans are going to suffer.
8:56Spirit has to stay independent.
8:58The judge said, I agree with Joe Biden's antitrust team, issued his ruling, and Spirit
9:04immediately filed for bankruptcy. Now they are preparing to file for bankruptcy again.
9:09And the United States government, Trump's team, is talking about trying to bail out this
9:14airline from basically ceasing to exist.
9:17All of this comes back to, yes, Biden was wrong.
9:20Of course he was wrong.
9:21But this judge, his job is to analyze both arguments.
9:26And he was 100 % wrong because immediately, upon issuing his ruling virtually, Spirit actually
9:34went bankrupt. This is, and some of you may be experts on this, and you're
9:40welcome to call in. Some of you may be shareholders of Spirit who lost billions
9:44of dollars in this transaction.
9:45My point on this is, when judges are bad, we need to do a way
9:51better job of getting rid of them.
9:53And this judge, who was over 80 years old at the time that he got
9:57this case, 1 billion percent got it all wrong.
10:00And now, we're dealing with double bankruptcies, and the United States government is potentially going
10:07to have to bail out Spirit Airlines, the worst airline, in my opinion, in America,
10:11and ensure that it still exists.
10:13And so, I just am kind of fed up with this.
10:16Because even as a lawyer, I look at this and I say, how in the
10:21world have we ended up in a situation where there are no consequences?
10:26This is a business case.
10:28But every one of these judges now, I know we've talked about it on the
10:32program before, Buck, but all of these judges that are letting violent predators back out
10:37onto our streets, and there's no consequences for them, and they've got lifetime tenure, and
10:42they've got incredible pensions, we need to fire more judges.
10:45I'm sorry. Like, I just, I'm really kind of fed up with judges who objectively
10:52get... rulings wrong and there are consequences both business and criminal from their awful opinions
10:59well they're a little bit like professors though right they're supposed to be able to
11:02do whatever and not be subject to the pressures of opinion tenured professors the kind
11:09that can be complete lunatics for decades on campus and there's no consequence for them
11:14that's the idea behind lifetime appointments they're allowed to do what they want to do
11:19without really unless they i mean we used to impeach we have impeached judges i
11:23used to be done more usually it's for drunkenness on the bench if you go
11:26back and check that out so if you're a judge and you had to be
11:29really poorly behaved in order to lose your job you had to show up sloshed
11:34you know you had to show up after you had finished off uh a couple
11:37of bottles of kentucky bourbon and then they would say you know maybe this judge
11:41isn't so good uh also for corruption as in taking money i don't really know
11:46how much i'd have to look and see removing somebody for being an idiot the
11:52problem with removing any government employee for being an idiot is you won't have any
11:56government employees left this is a big challenge it's rare you know look i understand
12:01sometimes trust me better than anyone two lawyers make a really good argument but spirit
12:06to their credit said if we don't do this merger we're going to go bankrupt
12:09and the judge looked at all the evidence and he said ah that's not true
12:13and then a couple of months after his ruling they went bankrupt and now they're
12:16going to go bankrupt again when you objectively get something wrong and remember biden's administration
12:22of course was wrong about this and the end result may end up being that
12:27you and me and all of the taxpayers out there are going to now bail
12:30out spirit airlines because otherwise this whole uh company might just cease to exist well
12:35it also reminds me of what a little coward john roberts is by keeping obamacare
12:39alive by saying that a tax is a penalty and a penalty is a tax
12:42really the subtext of all this was it's not and he actually this came out
12:47in the opinion too it's not the job of the supreme court on obamacare to
12:51save people from the disastrous disastrous legislation that's clearly not going to work and that's
12:57going to just further destroy the health care system and make it unaffordable and incredibly
13:03expensive and all the waste and everything else so they won't step in with a
13:07heavy hand to do smart things right that's they won't step in to save our
13:11ass uh but they will step in to mess things up that seems to be
13:14clear as well uh when it comes to it certainly this uh spirit airlines merger
13:19um so i also i just feel like you know you're just you're just a
13:23southwest guy i didn't have a bad experience on spirit spirit i was like look
13:27i'm not a diva i fly southwest airlines everywhere i mean i legitimately this is
13:33not i'm not kidding i actually get a handshake i do get a let me
13:37say this a lot of southwest airlines pilots and staff are big fans of this
13:41show it's like every time i get on a southwest airlines flight now they come
13:44out so i will index super high with pilots not just because my father -in
13:48-law is one but we we this show a lot of pilots pilots cops truckers
13:54uh who else is in terms of career pathways are at the at the very
14:00military we got a lot of military oh yeah i mean but that's a lot
14:03of coaches coaches sports athletic coaches for sure um so i fly southwest everywhere i
14:10think they have a very good business um but i just i get frustrated when
14:14i wasn't a spirit airline shareholder but when they had merged with the jet blue
14:19the spirit shareholders out there were going to get paid now they're going to they
14:23lost billions of dollars and now we're on the hook as a government potentially to
14:27to bail them out when they did the obama bailout of gm they just decided
14:32to screw over the bondholders they just said you know oh you have a contract
14:37that says that you're first in line for sorry judge says no better for the
14:42obama administration and the unions if we just wipe you guys out and restructure it
14:47as we see fit they just broke contract law because they felt like it yeah
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16:35welcome back into clay and buck buck doing the new york city edition and it's
16:41a lot of money to do the new york city edition yeah yep yep getting
16:45the tax man after me with this one uh you know they they they are
16:49pouring so much money into this place still though there's all these towers going up
16:53they're building some super tower uh on i think the uh like lower upper west
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17:02the mom donnie ism going on right now and eric adams before that was kind
17:07of an idiot and de blasio ruined the city as fast as he could and
17:10he was very successful in doing so but clay people will pay from around the
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17:19else on the planet which is puzzling i think it's puzzling situation but they love
17:26it there's like 200 million dollar apartments that they're building here now it's great a
17:30lot of that is people who are from foreign countries that want stashing cash as
17:35much cash as they can comfortably and they don't trust their own governments and so
17:40they pour it into united states real estate all over the country um so i
17:44do think that's a huge part of it as well we'll get back into this
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18:54right a couple of things buck a report is out there we were talking about
18:58the uncertainty as to who is actually leading in iran there is a report uh
19:05that is circulating from multiple different somewhat reliable sources i say somewhat reliable because it's
19:11very hard to know exactly what is going on inside of iran but there are
19:16now multiple different places reporting that iran's parliament speaker uh man by the last name
19:22of joliboff who i'm sure i totally mispronounced that he has resigned and or been
19:29removed from the negotiation team following quote intervention from the iranian revolutionary guards so this
19:40goes to trump's point earlier about who is actually able to make a deal for
19:46iran it seems like we may be witnessing in real time a power struggle inside
19:52of iran over who is actually in command or control and who can bind in
19:59any way the country who can lead the country so uh just fyi that report
20:05is out there maybe one reason why ceasefire negotiations are not continuing that individual that
20:12has reportedly been removed from leadership was one of the people that we were negotiating
20:18with when uh we were unable to reach a conclusion before this is why i
20:25was saying buck earlier this week the sort of high stepping into the end zone
20:29aspect um if you are seen as bending the knee to the united states in
20:34iran it may be the best deal for iran right militarily economically rationally but it
20:41might also get you removed from power and or potentially killed by the extremist elements
20:47in iran so i do think that story is significant and uh and worthy of
20:54being paying attention to it's possible that we could end up with some sort of
20:59internecine battle inside of iran over who is actually in charge uh which goes to
21:06the lack of stability inside of that country and you probably have seen this happen
21:10a ton of times with your background in the cia uh the irgc cannot be
21:15seen as bending the knee in any way to the trump administration yeah well this
21:20is a huge challenge it's also a challenge if you do get a deal clay
21:23because the guys who signed the deal may end up not the guys running the
21:28show very soon thereafter or even months thereafter or we don't really know there's there's
21:34really no accountability mechanism beyond who has the ak -47s in the iranian government who
21:39actually is in control of the force uh of the state or in this case
21:45i guess just brute force it's not even necessarily from the state because because the
21:48state has crumbled quite a bit after the mass decapitation of its leadership.
21:53You know, we had something a bit like this in Libya, where we got rid
21:56of the Gaddafi regime, and then it was just Mad Max stuff going on there
22:01for a while. Now, this isn't Mad Max stuff, and Iran's a much more sophisticated
22:05and a much larger and more important country in geopolitics than Libya.
22:13But still, this is a huge challenge.
22:17As long as we have, to borrow from Trump, all the cards, though, and as
22:22long as the maximum pressure campaign can continue without it hitting us particularly too hard,
22:28okay, fine. I will say, though, that I worry that the longer we talk about
22:33it, it's April 23rd, we're getting into May.
22:37If this is still going on by June, which I am not convinced, sorry, this
22:43is going to be like a double negative, I am not convinced will not be
22:45the case, people are going to start to say, so this is what the Trump
22:49administration's main focus is in the second year?
22:52Because at that point, it will be fair to say that it is the main
22:54focus of the Trump administration in its second year in office.
22:59That's not a great look, I think, for the midterms.
23:02Even if gas prices are reasonably low and even if the stock market is doing
23:06well, it becomes an issue of focus.
23:09And certainly Democrats are going to capitalize on all this.
23:12And, Clay, they're going to run on cost of living.
23:14They're going to run on bringing down prices without even having a plan.
23:18They're just going to say, we'll do the nice thing that you want us to
23:21do, which is make prices lower and to make it easier for people to pay
23:24their bills. But just speaking to that in an environment where there's opposition to what
23:30Trump is doing, from a focus perspective, even if it's working, that, I think, is
23:35something to be wary of.
23:37I'm certain the White House is wary of.
23:39That's why they're trying to wrap this thing up as quickly as they can.
23:41But the timing here matters a whole lot, or rather the timeline matters a whole
23:45lot. The anger about cost of goods is the number one concern in America.
23:52That's it. That is by far number one.
23:55So if oil and gas prices are high, then that ties in with people being
24:00angry. If you've got oil and gas prices lower, then you can still be angry
24:04about how much everything costs.
24:06And, again, the reality is cost of goods have gone down dramatically, the increase of
24:13them. But we went up so fast with Joe Biden that everybody is still angry.
24:19We got a bunch of calls, by the way.
24:20I also, at some point in the third hour, want to get to the war
24:26between Hakeem Jeffries and Ron DeSantis over potential Florida redistricting, which we can get to
24:31in the third hour maybe.
24:32But a lot of you have been waiting a while.
24:34Danny in Tennessee. Fire away, Danny.
24:40This is for me. Since the U .S.
24:43is exporting energy and oil right now, and the oil companies, which I'm happy with,
24:48and the oil companies are making a lot of money, happy for them, why can't
24:52our prices just here in the U .S.
24:55be lower for gas, say like the Arab countries, where they pump and they sell,
25:00and they're paying pennies for a gallon of gas because they're oil rich there?
25:04I'm just wondering. Thank you for the call.
25:07It's a great question. One is there's a global commodity price for oil.
25:12So much like you can't buy gold, typically, in one country for $1 ,000 less
25:21than other places because it would be exploited, right?
25:24Now, you're asking the question, which is a good one.
25:27Typically, those countries are smaller.
25:30First of all, even in Iran, gas is actually expensive, and they don't have much
25:35of it. So even in Iran, where they're producing millions of barrels of oil and
25:40gas, they're actually shipping it out, and it's not even very well distributed in the
25:44country. Twenty years ago, when I was in Nigeria, Clay, which is a major oil
25:48exporter as well, there were constantly huge lines, like mile -long kind of lines for
25:56gas in the country. Because they can't refine it.
26:00To that point, I think there's actually very few countries that have, even if they're
26:05oil producing in substantial degrees, that have infinitely cheaper oil and gas that is able
26:11to be acquired, used, purchased by your average person in the country.
26:17An easy answer to your question would be that if you had a commodity, again,
26:23it's a global price, if you had a commodity that was trading for $20 or
26:28less in one country than it was in another country, then people would go grab
26:33that price product and sell it elsewhere for a higher price.
26:37Right? I mean, just the basic economics of it.
26:39This is a fun fact.
26:42Nigeria, in the 1970s, had such a major subsidy program for its own oil that
26:48it often costs more than the entire country, the national health budget of the entire
26:54country. Just the subsidy for the oil.
26:57So, yeah, that's been a thing.
27:00That's been a thing there for quite some time.
27:02Also, what happens is when you have to subsidize oil, then you also create a
27:05black market for the oil as well, I might add.
27:07Which is what I was saying.
27:08Like, when you're selling it for less, then you're going to create an opportunity for
27:13people to purchase it and sell it elsewhere for less.
27:15Here's a good example of this, Buck.
27:17Where you are in New York City, the tax on cigarettes is through the roof.
27:22I don't know exactly what it is because I don't smoke, but there is a
27:26huge black market to smuggle cigarettes inside of the United States because a state like
27:32mine where I am in Tennessee, we pay way less cigarette taxes, I'm guessing, than
27:37the average person does in New York.
27:38So people will smuggle to avoid the overall prices.
27:42Well, this is, if you remember from the beginning of Beverly Hills Cop, one of
27:48the greatest movies of the 1980s, Clay, certainly one of the highest grossing.
27:53I don't disagree. It's a very good one.
27:54One of the greatest movies of the 1980s.
27:56He is dealing with cigarette smugglers, in fact.
28:00That is what is in that big truck.
28:02Even back in the 80s, that was a big story.
28:04And he said, government tax stamp, you can't beat that, if you remember Eddie Murphy,
28:08because they're trying to get around the tax.
28:11It was fake. It was trying to get around the taxation of the cigarettes.
28:15It's also why the weed business, I might add, the Trump administration, just in the
28:19last 24 hours, has lowered the classification of marijuana as a less dangerous drug for
28:28medical use. It's still illegal for personal use on a federal level.
28:32I mean, our whole thing with things that are illegal and legal in the substance
28:36world, it's getting to be such a mess.
28:38You've got states that say it's legal.
28:39The federal government says, no, it's always illegal.
28:41But you've got businesses. It's a mess.
28:44This does need to be dealt with.
28:45But marijuana, the same thing.
28:47Remember, there were all these big weed companies that were exploding in popularity, and people
28:51were buying weed stocks because they thought, oh, well, this is going to be such
28:56a huge thing for the future.
28:57The problem that weed stocks have is if they sell it legally, there's massive, there's
29:02big tax burden on it.
29:03Because the whole game is we're going to use this to fund the schools and
29:06all this stuff, right? Yep.
29:08Well, it's really easy for the cartels to still make weed.
29:11So they do. And people do on farms across the U .S.
29:14And they also just sell them on the black market from the farms.
29:16So all you do is push a lot more weed into the black market because
29:19it's cheaper and the people just want to keep the money and not give it
29:21to the government. Also, there's all sorts of impacts out there now about cannabis drinks.
29:26I don't know if you paid attention to this.
29:28Like, the cannabis drink market has skyrocketed.
29:31It's competing with liquor. And there's all different sorts of rules now about that.
29:36And I'm wondering how the president's decision here is going to impact cannabis -infused preferences.
29:41This is where our delightful libertarians, who can count on me for so much, they
29:47counted on me so much during COVID to tell them all the truth and stand
29:50up, just like you did, Clay.
29:52Yes. You know, the libertarians know I am with them on so much except for
29:57this weed thing. And they get so mad at me.
30:00But weed is so bad for you.
30:02It's gross. It's not actually nearly as useful for medical purposes as we were led
30:06to believe. There are some limited medical purposes where it can be useful for people.
30:09But there's a lot of downside to weed.
30:11And then they always say to me, well, what about alcohol?
30:13I don't really drink either.
30:15These things are bad for you, everybody.
30:17Now, I'm not saying you should go to prison for it.
30:18I'm not even necessarily saying it should be illegal, but we should be able to
30:21speak honestly about it, right?
30:23Weed is the wonder drug that's going to fix everything for everyone.
30:26I mean, yes, I think that we just had Rudd on to talk about helping
30:29veterans with PTSD with psychedelics.
30:32That's a very specific use of a – just like if you're – fentanyl is
30:38a great drug when administered by a medical professional to deal with pain from surgery
30:46or from cancer treatment or whatever.
30:48Fentanyl can be a great drug, everybody.
30:50It can also kill a lot of people, right?
30:52It's about the use case.
30:53It's about what happens on the actual front line of how people are using this
31:01stuff. And there's weed shops here in New York.
31:05Yeah, there's tons of them.
31:07There's weed shops everywhere. What are we doing here?
31:09This isn't about people who have glaucoma who want a little relief and they have
31:13to go to a doctor.
31:14It's just decriminalized in all but name by the federal government too because they allow
31:19it to happen out in the open.
31:20So what are we doing here?
31:21It still doesn't make any sense.
31:23I'll put it this way.
31:23I know a ton of really successful people who regularly drink alcohol.
31:28I don't know very many – any highly successful people who smoke pot all the
31:33time. I mean, if you go to a church on Sunday, you're – you know,
31:38with the Eucharist, you might have some wine.
31:41You're not having a fat blunt with the Eucharist.
31:44Like these things – there's different places in our culture for these things.
31:48And, you know, Western civilization was built by people who had access to alcohol and
31:55they did pretty well with it.
31:56You know, actually, back in the day, if you study, it's super interesting.
32:01They all drank alcohol because it was way safer than water.
32:04Well, yeah, well, this is what they watered down – basically watered down wine.
32:08It's a way of preserving the water and keeping it from getting really rancid and
32:12bad. Same thing with tea, I might add.
32:14I'm a huge tea drinker.
32:15I guess I am a teetotaler.
32:17Isn't that the term? Teetotaler.
32:18All right, let's – we'll get to some of your talkbacks.
32:21We'll get to a couple more of your calls when we come back.
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34:30reacting to the spirit airlines discussion that we had buck um and let me hit
34:36some of these uh unidentified podcast listener k he says i'm 100 right i love
34:42these kind of talk backs uh let's listen clay you're 100 right about everything you
34:48said on spirit airlines however you're missing the next point why are we bailing them
34:55out you gotta let it die uh podcast uh look i think there's a strong
35:00argument that you should let spirit airlines die my biggest issue is not with right
35:05now it's with that federal judge who completely got it wrong and now the company's
35:10trying to avoid bankruptcy for a second time jake in iowa he doesn't want us
35:14doing anything with this company podcast listener jay hey guys government should have no involvement
35:20in private enterprise this is in regards to the potential government takeover of spirit airlines
35:25that's an awful idea uh that is private enterprises should be free to fail if
35:30if necessary uh just think amtrak and what a boondoggle that is okay and bill
35:36in georgia he agrees as well he wants a company going bankrupt hey guys this
35:41is bill in pooler georgia i think you guys are wrong on this here spirit
35:45issue if a company was that bad at operating they ought to go bankrupt that's
35:49that's the whole that's the normal direction of process well i think the jet blew
35:54through a savior bid in there is is somewhat interesting and i wonder what would
36:01happen but bankruptcy is what the worst airline ought to get begin i think he
36:05i think he kind of drifted into the the answer here or the the center
36:09of the issue which is you're not saying jet blue shouldn't be allowed to go
36:12bankrupt you were saying and i would agree with this it should have been allowed
36:16to merge with another company freely to avoid bankruptcy yes and a judge just said
36:20no yes our government it was spirit airlines had been purchased by jet blue the
36:26biden administration said we can't allow this spirit said if we're not allowed to do
36:30this merger we're going to go bankrupt the judge said you're lying and then they
36:34went bankrupt the judge got it wrong our government injected itself into this private business
36:40transaction and actually made things far worse deserves more attention we'll be back third hour
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