David Rutherford Show: The Insurgency Inside the Republican Party | Eric Schwalm
3/30/202660 mincomplete
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. Everybody seems to think that there's a war in the MAGA party.
0:08But my guest today, Chief Warrant Officer for Eric Schwamm, with 30 years of experience
0:14in special forces and intelligence, doesn't believe that.
0:19He believes there's an insurgency taking place in the entire Republican Party.
0:24So don't miss today on The David Rutherford Show.
0:37All right, Eric. One, just thank you, sir, for coming on.
0:42I appreciate you. I appreciate what you've done.
0:44But what really got me is you just wrote an article that is one of
0:51the most powerful articles I've read in the last probably four months.
0:56And it's called The Insurgency Within.
1:00And if you could just describe to our audience what the article is about and
1:06why you wrote it to just get going, that'd be awesome.
1:09OK, so up front, I'm America first.
1:14I'm MAGA. I'm very pro -Trump.
1:17He's probably the best president I've seen in at least as far as I've been
1:22alive, who's all about America.
1:25And I'm very much into analyzing groups, regardless whether they're liberal, whether they're conservative, whether
1:33they're a foreign entity that's trying to control America from within.
1:39I'm constantly assessing them and looking at their strengths or weaknesses or vulnerabilities and what
1:45their end state is. And so one of the things I've been looking at, especially
1:49following Data Republican, was her analysis of Thune and what the old school Republicans are
1:59doing within the Republican Party.
2:03And then also adding in what just happened down in Florida, right outside Mar -a
2:08-Lago, where they just had a Democrat get elected right there when Trump won, I
2:14think, by like 14, plus 14 down there previously.
2:18And this is right in his backyard.
2:20And things that I've seen in Georgia and Alabama is just very, very lackadaisical GOP
2:28influence when it comes to elections.
2:31Georgia had a horrible special election last year where they lost two key positions within
2:39one of the controlling entities here in Georgia.
2:43And they should have won it.
2:45They should have won it flat out.
2:46And then I'm watching the current elections, which are the primaries and the upcoming elections
2:52here in Georgia and elsewhere as well.
2:54And all I'm seeing is a total lack of effort.
2:58I'm watching social media. I'm watching actions on the ground.
3:02I'm following what they're doing.
3:04And it's nothing. It's lip service at best.
3:09And when I see stuff like that, I had to question and start doing some
3:13analysis, like, what are they doing?
3:14Why are they doing this?
3:16Because if you're conservative, if you consider yourself a Republican, because that's the opposite of
3:23this liberal, progressive party and the craziness that's out there, if you're on that side,
3:30you want to win. That's your team.
3:32You have aspirations for America.
3:35You have goals for your family, for your kids, for your neighbors, for where you
3:40live and the future of America.
3:42And when you see, like, the Save America Act stalling in Congress, when you see
3:49what just happened last night where they basically caved to the Democrats when it came
3:56to homeland defense, the inaction speaks volumes.
4:01I mean, saying nothing says something.
4:05And so I go, okay, so what are they doing?
4:07And to me, really looking into them and their efforts, what speaks to me is
4:15stall tactics. And the reason for the stall tactic is, to put it plain and
4:20simple, is no matter who Trump endorses, no matter what goes on, what they're trying
4:25to do is show that the populist movement, the MAGA, the America First movement is
4:30losing traction. And because, like, if Trump's endorsements don't work, if we lose the House,
4:40and the person, the people on the blame line is going to be Trump.
4:45They're going to hold him up that he can't carry the weight, that he's running
4:49out of time, he's a lame duck, and they're just going to use it.
4:52And they've been, it's been killing them that the progressive movement has taken over the
4:58Republican Party. The old school Republicans, like, I forget who it was out of Utah,
5:05Romney. Romney, oh my gosh.
5:09McCain? Yes, what we consider rhinos, they're totally upset because they're losing their power to
5:17the younger people who want to accomplish things, who are tired of sitting down, they've
5:24got goals. They have dreams, and there's a place in your life where you get
5:30old enough where you just become comfortable and you want things to kind of remain
5:34the same. We see it in the military with field -grade officers.
5:39They get into a position, major and above, where they're sitting in their chair and
5:44they got a wife at home, they got the kids, they got the nice house,
5:47the nice cars, and everything else like that, and they stop dreaming, and they start
5:52protecting. And what I'm seeing is the old -school Republicans are becoming protective of their
5:59positions. And it's not that they're Democrat, it's that they're protective of their positions, but
6:05in doing so, they're helping the Democrat side.
6:09They're undercutting the dreams, the aspirations of all of the people who are waking up
6:14and want to accomplish things, and the government's getting in their way or holding them
6:19back or any number of things.
6:20And that's what I'm seeing from the – and in doing so, by holding back,
6:28they're collecting money too. If they're not spending money on campaigns, they're saving money for
6:32later. So what does that look like is, okay, if we lose the House in
6:3926, we're going to immediately roll over and they're going to start trying to –
6:45they're going to send impeachment after impeachment up to the Senate.
6:48It's just – it's the same thing we saw from 16 to 20, and it's
6:51the delay tactic by the Democrats to just block everything.
6:56And even if we can still control the Senate, they can keep voting it down
6:59repeatedly, but the impeachments are going to come, and it's going to bring everything to
7:02a standstill. We're not going to get anything accomplished.
7:05And nothing getting accomplished serves – there are two different goals other than America first.
7:11It serves the Democrats, resistance to Trump and their efforts, and it serves the old
7:17school Republicans growing back into power.
7:19Because if they can show that Trump's ineffective, it's going to go to their side,
7:24and they're going to start putting all those – the Republicans that just do nothing
7:30repeatedly over and over and over again and back into power.
7:33And there will be that neutrality between the Democrats and Republicans where nothing happens and
7:38things just continue to slide down.
7:42Great answer. You call them out, and they actually call themselves our Republican legacy.
7:50So, obviously, you've been involved in counterinsurgency your entire career.
7:56I mean, that's essentially what our whole mission set was after the initial waves.
8:05Once you identify the organization that's running the insurgency, how do you apply your background
8:15and coin to evaluate what you just listed out?
8:20Like, what are the systems or process you put in place to evaluate that?
8:25So, I use a system of analysis that comes out of SAM's – it's the
8:32School of Military Studies, which is in Leavenworth.
8:38And their system is looking at operational art and design.
8:43And the way they look at it, they look for centers of gravity first.
8:48Then you look at the critical capabilities, the critical requirements, the critical vulnerabilities.
8:55And then I take it a little step further, and I try to identify the
8:59leaders in overall mission, the commander's intent, their key tasks, and then the end state
9:06that they're looking for. And I put that all into – if you look at
9:10the article, I actually spell all of that out.
9:14And that's how I – the way I do analysis on groups like insurgencies.
9:19And what we did – the way I learned to use this was first in
9:23the warrant officer course, and then I got to see it over in Syria.
9:28And we had a Sam's grad – I'm sorry, School of Advanced Military Studies.
9:32We had a Sam's grad that was working up in Turkey, and he did the
9:37same analysis over a week.
9:40These guys – they call them Jedi Knights for a reason, but he did that
9:44analysis of ISIS. And I watched it.
9:49I would go into the room.
9:51I had the knowledge, and I would look at what they were doing, and he
9:55spelled it all out. And despite what everybody was trying to do versus ISIS –
10:00because it was all – it was all off the hip.
10:03People were a lot of hip pocket shooting at ISIS until he laid it out
10:08and said what ISIS needs.
10:11If they're going to be looking to establish a caliphate, they need to hold ground.
10:16And that's it. That's their cog.
10:18The center of gravity for ISIS was ground and control of ground.
10:23So all we had to do to really destroy ISIS and the way it all
10:27worked out using the Kurds, using the assets that were available to us, was deny
10:31them control. It didn't matter if ISIS continued to exist.
10:34They could wear the T -shirts all day long.
10:36You don't control anything. And when the caliphate went away, when it shrunk down to
10:41nothing and it just into one huge firefight at the final end there, and we
10:45took away any control of ground space, ISIS failed.
10:50And that is the beauty of doing it.
10:52doing a solid analysis against these groups is to find their center of gravity, be
10:57honest about it. Don't just off the cuff, shoot out as a center of gravity,
11:01but you gotta, you gotta tear into it.
11:04And that's, that's, and then go after their vulnerabilities, go after, deny them their capabilities,
11:10deny them the requirements and, and, and then go after their commander's mission.
11:15It's you gotta think like they do.
11:17Well, and I love that you put that out there.
11:20And what's, what a lot of people kind of, you know, in our former world,
11:25it's a lot more difficult to do that, right?
11:28We're using, you know, clandestine ability to collect human, SIGINT, you know, we're, we're behind
11:35enemy lines. I think the unique thing about all of this in terms of the
11:40political insurgency that's taking place is a lot of it, they're just doing out in
11:47the open. Oh yeah. Yeah.
11:48Yeah. And so can you like, and this is not new, right?
11:52This, this group, right. Dating probably back to those who emerged out of the Reagan
11:58era in particular, uh, George senior.
12:01I mean, I think that's really where, uh, the modern, the neocons, what the, yeah,
12:06the neocon development. I, you know, I think it's such a overplayed out word, but
12:09there's not many better words for it.
12:11Um, and so, you know, I think everybody's like, Oh, all those old guys are
12:17gone. The bushes are gone, right?
12:20The Rumsfelds are gone. The Cheney's gone.
12:22And so it's, it's over and it's dead.
12:24And the MAGA populist movement is now firmly in control, but can you go down
12:32to the nuance level? So the, like you, you talked about Washington state and the,
12:38the head of, um, um, the Republican, uh, committee there, can you, can you talk
12:45about how they're looking at precincts, right?
12:50And where the rest of the pundits, if you will, are looking at X posts
12:54and that, that difference. Yeah.
12:57So, uh, what's really funny is it's like, I'm not, I'm not making stuff up.
13:02If you, they actually have a website out there, you can go read it for
13:05you. You can look them up.
13:06Uh, you can actually read what their, their stated mission is, what their goals are
13:11and intent and what, even what they brag about when we're talking about the precincts,
13:16when they say they own, uh, 25 different precincts across the United States, uh, that's
13:21huge. I mean, that's, uh, it's only 12, right.
13:25That will shift an election or something like that.
13:27Yeah. And they brag about it.
13:28They're like the, you look at the names that are on there and it like
13:32mind blowing. If you just, it's all on the website, there they are.
13:38John Thune is their poster boy.
13:40He's not, he is not a declared member of it, but if you look at
13:44like, they have their, uh, on there is what their accomplishments are and what their,
13:48their, uh, their goals are.
13:51He's following it to the letter.
13:52And that like, you know, deny the, the save act.
13:57No, we're not going to do that.
13:58You know, crush the filibuster.
14:00That's, they're not going to do that.
14:02It's all to them. It's all about going back to, uh, basically following the, the,
14:10the current path of how things get done.
14:12They are literally the party of this is how we've always done it.
14:15And we can't keep the, my God, man.
14:18It's like, we used to fight on, uh, I used to do wars where we
14:20would line up and fight against each other.
14:22We don't do that anymore.
14:24It's like when it takes weeks to make a decision out of DC, when you've
14:28got businesses that are making, you know, you look at X and you look at
14:32this things that, that, uh, Musk is doing how fast the decision trees are being
14:36made out there. And we're using AI to make go even faster.
14:40And the, the, the Washington DC takes forever to make decisions.
14:44That's insane. Like, how do we even keep this up?
14:47But that, that's the way they're all about it.
14:49They're all about us. Like, we need to go back to the old way.
14:51We need to go back to, uh, you know, follow, following policies.
14:56And, and it's annoying at the, at such a level of, I can't imagine how
15:02the younger population looks at this and doesn't lose their mind.
15:06Like how, like I can make a decision right now about what we were doing.
15:10And, but we, you're going to take six months to try to work the save
15:13act. It's a, what 82 % of America is out or 87 % of America
15:18is on board with the save act.
15:19And, and we got to know, are you kidding me?
15:22I think you're a hundred percent right.
15:24But, you know, I think to also reinforce what you're saying is that this infrastructure
15:29has been in place for a long period of time.
15:33And I, I believe that, you know, MAGA messaging or America now emerging out of
15:39America first messaging is very strong messaging, but it, I think what we've watched through
15:45COVID and then now what we've watched through Doge, through the Epstein files, through this
15:53continued sequence, right? When, when, when you have Pam Bondi and you have the infrastructure
16:02of this current administration constantly saying Brennan broke the law, Clapper broke the law, right?
16:12The Mueller broke the law.
16:14McComey broke the law. They, we have the emails.
16:17That was a soft coup that took place.
16:19And then. Now you have Rand Paul that has the internal communications with Fauci and
16:25all that. And then we know with the Epstein files that, I mean, he openly
16:31was like, yeah, I work for the Rothschilds.
16:34Yeah, I can connect you.
16:36We just found out, Catherine Hendridge just posted yesterday that we now know that Epstein
16:43was let into a skiff in order to help messaging for something that happened a
16:48few years ago. So those young kids, the Zoomers, who are the biggest voting bloc
16:54since the Boomers, they're seeing all the inactivity.
16:59They're seeing the broken infrastructures on both sides, right?
17:05The same kids that were liberal progressives who believe socialism is the answer.
17:10Now you had the conservative capitalists who are more popular, national populists.
17:15They're seeing, whoa, it doesn't matter what side you're on.
17:19The infrastructure is in place to resist its dismantling.
17:25Yeah. Systems theory. System is going to defend itself.
17:29Can you explain systems theory to everybody?
17:32Because that's a brilliant assessment.
17:35I can't really. I can't.
17:37My brother could do a much better job of explaining systems theory than I can.
17:41And he was a chemical engineer and also a safety engineer for several different companies.
17:47But the general concept is that a system eventually gets to a point where it
17:53is a living, breathing entity.
17:55Somebody once described it as a dragon.
17:57And it will protect itself.
18:00It feeds. It eats. It breathes.
18:03But it also fights and it resists.
18:06It doesn't want to die.
18:10And in order to defeat a system, you have to slay the dragon.
18:13And as long as it has been and it's been going on for so long,
18:18I would say probably since the development of the CIA and the FBI back right
18:25after World War II is when the dragon really started to become, was really born.
18:32Uh, you can maybe go back to the, uh, the island where they developed the,
18:36uh, the idea for the, uh, the, the central bank, you know, federal reserve, jackal
18:42island, yeah, a hundred I agree.
18:44All those things eventually, because they're all part of the system that will defend itself.
18:48And I, one of the articles I wrote about, um, was they had like, they
18:53have a, uh, a product, a, a media product that they put out every day
18:57up there in DC. Um, which is, it's circulated through all the offices and it's
19:03a shortcut. It's, it's, it's essentially a, uh, an update of all the, uh, the
19:08bills that are in play, all the thought processes that are in play across Congress.
19:12It's purely an internal congressional report.
19:15Um, and it's simplicity in it because it's so simple.
19:19It makes it easy for every congressional staffer, uh, and congressman to read it, but
19:24they're all reading the same product.
19:27It's like, it would be like every one of us getting the same Intel product
19:30from the same people. And, and eventually that becomes, we all know the same thing.
19:36We all think the same way with, but you, you gotta, you, you gotta have
19:39different inputs. And it's so easy for the congressional staffers.
19:44It's so easy for the Congress people to go through the, to immediately go to
19:47this product, to get their thoughts on what they're going to do regarding this bill,
19:52regarding that bill one way or the other, but they're not talking to the people
19:56anymore. That's how this, that's also part of the system right there is their information.
20:00You know, you may come out of like Georgia or wherever, and you, you've been
20:04talking to the people and you believe you've got a handle on things.
20:06And so you go up there to DC and you're like, okay, and you're, you
20:10get inundated with information. And then somebody goes, Hey, you know, if you really want
20:14to know what's going on, just read this product.
20:16And they're like, Oh, so it's, it's easy.
20:19And I can just update myself every day.
20:21The staff short, it's a shortcut.
20:23It's a beautiful shortcut. If you're, for your job, it helps you protect your, if
20:27you're a staffer, it helps protect your boss.
20:28It's going to get them reelected.
20:29It's going to, you're going to be in the right line of thinking with John
20:32Thune. Um, the first two, when they first put this thing out, I can't remember
20:36the name of it right now, but when they first put these product out within
20:39the first two, two or three additions, they, um, they, uh, had John Thune on
20:44there and they also had the speaker of the house on there.
20:47And so now here's the other caveat to this thing is that they're the, the
20:53way they get their funds is not from, uh, people ordering it.
20:58Most of their funds, 90 % of their funds comes from people who commercialize it.
21:03So the, you're talking about great big business out there, putting money into this product,
21:08which goes to the staffers, which goes to the Congress people were cut out.
21:13And that's also part of the system.
21:15Their information system is all contained within itself.
21:19You look at the, of the election, the, the, the votes that came out of
21:22DC, what was it? 90 plus percent of DC voted Democrat.
21:27Talk about a bubble. Um, and so information is the same.
21:32They're all sharing information. The information is sourced.
21:35The money for the information is sourced from big business.
21:38They, it makes it so simple.
21:40You don't have to talk to the people anymore.
21:41Okay, great. It's the, the, the ideas that are put out there come from the,
21:46the, the standard part. that are out there so you're here john thune's putting out
21:52the party line okay this is a party line do you want to get elected
21:55again do this um and the system will fight the system will fight and for
22:03you know the i think one of the biggest things we're going to have to
22:06do as american people is to start the people if we're going to keep this
22:10from going kinetic we've got to put people we've got to we've we've got to
22:15vote we've got to vote we've got to interrogate the people that we're going to
22:19be putting into office and we've got to put um stipulations on you know if
22:24you're going to go up there you're going to come talk to us you've got
22:28to not read that document that the easy paper that they put out there your
22:32staffers can't read that you got to come vote if we if we're going to
22:36cut you down you're if you're not going to sit there and create it so
22:40that you only get two two rotations in congress or two rotations in the senate
22:44we're going to cut you out we as a people have to take charge of
22:48this situation because it's not going to take care of itself it's going to resist
22:51us 100 all right before we get into the next aspect of this madness right
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24:19as you talk about that that reinforcing system or the bubble right you have the
24:25mckinsey's or whatever think tank that's funded by big farmer the military industrial complex whatever
24:31it might be you know and then you're right in and it's interesting even even
24:37even when you you know to take for iran and for instance and and i
24:42think one of the things that i people are so offended by what joe ken
24:45is saying is that that type of information from you know the people who got
24:52on board with us thinking this was the way to break the system the system
24:57the system has then encapsulated the president and he's being funneled what they want him
25:02to hear and and so he's you know it's the typical characters out there it's
25:07it's like you said it's the thunes right it's william cohen alan simpson who are
25:13the kind of the founders of of this whole thing right you've got the chris
25:17vances like you said in your article um you know you've got um you know
25:22and then looking forward they have a whole slew of people that they can come
25:27in and and be distracting to the populist movement that they're funding and you know
25:32i guarantee we see kemp you know in 28 we're going to see yunkin in
25:3628 we're going to see bacon in 28 and if you pay attention to polymarket
25:42or you pay attention to other you know uh um uh poll analysis it's like
25:48oh jd vance isn't even a thing yeah and let's just get rid of him
25:53because he was the populist guy that's and everybody was angry that trump picked him
25:57and remember remember the lead up before butler you know and and i almost think
26:02like butler was like oh you made the wrong choice you know you're we're we're
26:07taking you down type of thing i have no no that's allegedly i have no
26:11understanding inside ball of everything whatsoever but it seems like it's the same principles uh
26:18that we saw from bush obama it's all it's all those same people and then
26:23you know after i let you respond to this let's go into the donor aspect
26:28of it oh you brought up the think tanks and that's a that's another key
26:32ally of the uh the old school republican party is that all the think tanks
26:36that are out there um like i was talking about that one information uh paper
26:40that circulates daily over there in dc the think tanks are all owned by old
26:44school republicans we we can change out the politicians all we want but the all
26:49those think tanks are are old school republicans and they're the ones that again it's
26:53the easy button to go to the think tank to hey we need some thoughts
26:56on this and and so they call the same think tanks over and over and
27:00over but we're not replacing the people who are at the top of the think
27:03tank so when somebody did an analysis of of dc of especially of the republican
27:10party of what happens when they go they get elected like they're they're There's like
27:16a descending graph of where they are on the Republican.
27:20The longer they stay in D .C., the more they move towards the middle.
27:24And that's huge. It's like I elected you to be because you were here.
27:30And if you're going to drift towards there the longer you're in D .C., that's
27:33not good because the other party is not drifting towards the middle.
27:37They're drifting further and further away.
27:39The middle is not the middle.
27:41The middle supports the other side because it's a do -nothing concept.
27:46But you've got to be just as aggressive.
27:49If I'm electing you there to go there, you've got to remain just as aggressive
27:53as you sold me because that's the only way we're going to counter this.
27:58The middle is – stop going towards average.
28:00The average is not what you think it is.
28:02The average supports the other side easily.
28:06So you talk about the think tanks.
28:08You talk about especially Kemp coming out of Georgia.
28:14Georgia, and as I was saying, Georgia is not putting a whole lot of money
28:17and effort into this election campaign for the midterms.
28:21And I'm like, okay, so what are they using that?
28:23Where is that money going?
28:25And when I saw that Kemp was being considered, I was like, oh, you've got
28:29to be kidding me. And he's very – he's in deep with the GOP here
28:36in Georgia. He's horrible, absolutely.
28:39I had Greg Dozel, who's running for lieutenant governor on, to discuss his pushback on
28:45COVID as well as the election systems.
28:48And he was the first guy as a freshman congressman to bring, hey, we need
28:54to look at these special elections with Ossoff and – I forget what the other
28:58Democratic senator's name was. And that was in the beginning of 2001.
29:05I also have had Garland Favarito on who from the get -go has mapped out
29:11the whole scam, but nothing has taken place, right?
29:17And people want to believe – I think the miracle of the Trump populist movement
29:25was that it gave – like you said, it gave the people hope, right?
29:31It gave the people hope that through – and by relegating traditional media off to
29:39the side. So you weren't going to win an election by going on CNN or
29:42Fox. You were going to win the election by going on Joe Rogan, Sean Ryan,
29:48having Tucker for you, and even Theo Vaughn, which is the most unbelievable thing.
29:55But that's who the Zoomers are watching.
29:58They're paying attention. And so the whole dynamic of how you reach the voters changed,
30:05and I think that donor class and the entrenched old guard are furious.
30:11That's why you're trying to see like – I don't know if you saw it,
30:14like Jake Tapper's show is the set looks like a podcast now.
30:18It's hilarious, right? And they're trying to adapt to the growth, but they're so detached
30:24because they're all in their bubbles that there's a challenge, right?
30:28But again, let me ask you this, and this is like the people – like
30:33it's up to – right?
30:37It's up to that 28 -year -old kid or 34 -year -old new parent who's
30:43still in a rental who is just trying to grind out.
30:47And now what they're seeing is that their money can control a feed, right?
30:55And their money through bot farms or through the messaging or whatever it is is
31:00starting to interrupt the populist feeds.
31:03It's like you talked about going from 2 ,700 to 77 ,000, which is amazing
31:10and awesome because your voice should be in the – at the forefront of making
31:16decisions because of how your entire adult life has been based on analysis of critical
31:22information into intelligence. How does – how do those people fight back against the billionaires,
31:33the think tanks, the lobby firms?
31:37How do they begin to fight back against that?
31:40How do they do their own analysis?
31:42All right. So if you've read several of my articles, I keep a series going,
31:47How to Think Like a Green Beret.
31:49One of the things that – in waking people up is the ability to analyze
31:55information and turn it into intelligence.
31:58Also, looking at your sources of information and grading it accordingly as to whether it
32:04has any validity to it and whether it can be corroborated.
32:08And then just like we did overseas where we did working with sources overseas, you
32:14had to sit there and figure out who you want to listen to, what their
32:18overall – what their goals are, and then put things into perspective and then proceed
32:24forward from there. And we have to bring – it's one thing for them to
32:28sit there and select their source, their sources of information to shift from the legacy
32:34media, which is just pure propaganda.
32:35It's pure Russian propaganda. And then switching over to online where – and you've got
32:42to select – people who are doing this uh they're they're not getting paid they're
32:47when you start seeing people in in the millions and you you look at the
32:52amount of money that's circulating into them you've immediately got to bring into something there's
32:55got to be some sort of suspicion in your mind about how much uh of
33:00their information is they may be good people but you know how they're getting their
33:04information why they're getting their information can come into question and so you've got to
33:09teach the the these younger generation and they're great you know lord love them i
33:13i am uh the the the zoomer generation i'm excited for them they are i
33:18i really consider them my team and i try to act like a team leader
33:22protecting my team and then bringing them to you know into play because they're going
33:25to do it um but to teach them how to you know sift through the
33:30information just as quick as we did to sit there look at everything scan it
33:35put it into into your mind it's like okay these are people i want to
33:38listen to these are people i don't want to listen to there are there are
33:41people out there that you know that are liars that you listen to just because
33:45you know they're going to lie yeah you want to see what they're going to
33:47do what the lie is right and so what the narrative is so can you
33:51can you expand like two quick things one i think when people hear information and
33:57intelligence they're like well what's the difference so will you explain that and then explain
34:02why you want to look at the opposite the opposition as well too okay so
34:08uh in the intelligence cycle there is gathering information then it goes through a process
34:13where it gets processed and then it comes out into intelligence so every piece of
34:18it the way you have to look at it uh and the way i teach
34:22you know young intelligence people is using puzzles okay um so if i were to
34:28take go out by five boxes of puzzles immediately you open them up and i
34:35grab a handful of pieces from each of those boxes and i throw it into
34:39another box with no picture on it whatsoever all those little pieces from five different
34:44puzzles are information okay so now i sit there and i give you a box
34:49it's got no picture on it because never mind that whole everybody used to always
34:52go around go what's the picture they come up to intel what's the intel picture
34:55the hell i don't know you got ten different you know five ten different puzzles
34:59going on out there but now once you take those pieces of information those puzzles
35:05and you start putting them on on the board and you start looking at it
35:08and analyzing and see where things fit what looks alike and you start moving it
35:12around that's the analysis when as as you get more pieces and they start to
35:17to form into something again you don't know what the picture necessarily is but that's
35:22where you're now into the intelligence realm is as things start to form um that
35:29there's plenty of dangers with each one because which puzzle is relevant which puzzle is
35:34irrelevant i will give you an example from iraq uh one of the things that
35:38everybody used to do they used to classify uh every sunni was al -qaeda every
35:43shia was jay shalmadi or jam it didn't matter what their relationship is are they
35:48sunni or are they shia and then immediately that was and that was the way
35:52the picture formed but those of us who were on the ground like i encountered
35:56uh a family of three guys or three or four guys and they were shia
36:01they were living in one of the smaller towns there they were raised in absolute
36:06cane and there was like oh they're jay shalmadi and then when we eventually captured
36:10them and i did the you know we were doing the the the the post
36:13hit analysis of of the target and i'm looking around i'm like yeah they're shia
36:18i can sit there and see all the the key you know people there and
36:21we did look at deeper all they were was thugs they were just a gang
36:26and so that's a different completely different picture and then so are they jay shalmadi
36:31are they a political gang are they just a small town gang as and every
36:36sunni being al -qaeda was absolutely ridiculous too and because show me the connection till
36:42like i said where's the phone call show me an email from the you know
36:45them to uh bin laden anything but no they're not and so you're you're the
36:50analysis comes from that and that's where your picture starts to form and you start
36:55having to that's intelligence and now you sit there and prosecute the right targets for
37:00the right reasons so that's the difference between information intelligence information is is cold it's
37:06a fact whatever it is it doesn't mean anything until you put it through a
37:10process analyze it and see and try to come up with some sort of meaning
37:13behind this all right so now when you you're talking about why would i ever
37:18consider uh listening to the opposing side so if i'm dealing with the source uh
37:23we had this uh afghanistan we had a guy uh his brother was involved in
37:30ieds and whenever we we were looking at um so we would talk to him
37:36and anytime his brother was involved with what we were looking at he would immediately
37:40divert and we were like oh there we go you know we knew his brother
37:44was an ied maker and emplacer and and so as soon as we sat there
37:49and we we had information from other sources saying that ied was being placed in
37:53the area where his brother operated he deviated and and so when he deviated that
37:59was kind of to us kind of like his brother's involved this is it we
38:02it's almost it's a signature yes to what's going on he'll tell you the truth
38:07about everything else but what his brother's involved in and that if if You just
38:11have to know that about the people you're working with.
38:13It's like if they you can deal with like, let's take Israel, for instance, OK,
38:20and you can talk to Israel about everything you want to.
38:23And they'll be honest and upfront about everything except for what they're involved in and
38:26or any other country for that matter.
38:28They're not they're going to it's not just Israel.
38:31Everybody does the same thing.
38:32And again, as I said, when we were talking earlier, I have no I'm not
38:37anti -Semitic. I'm not anti -anybody.
38:38I treat everybody the same and analyze everybody.
38:41You know, I treat you as as as an equal.
38:43I respect you. I respect the Democrats.
38:45I watch what they do.
38:47And and I will you know, people call the Democrats loonies and all this other
38:51stuff. And then I'm like, hold up.
38:52You know, if they're so loony, they've been they've been, you know, whipping us all
38:56over the place right now.
38:58So if you continue thinking they're idiots, you're making a huge mistake because they're good
39:02at what they do. And you have to respect people.
39:05You have to respect whether they're friendly or enemy.
39:07You have to respect them.
39:08You have to know what they're doing.
39:10And and and so I you have to understand that people are people are going
39:15to lie about things. People are going to tell the truth about things.
39:17If they're if they're consistently lying about one thing, that's a truth in and of
39:21itself. I that that's that when when I went to the agency is when I
39:27really understood that is like is how to spot the deviations.
39:34Right. As well as how to spot the the structure of the messaging.
39:39Right. And then find its counterpoint.
39:43Right. And then and then find find, you know, where it's being distributed and how.
39:49Right. And I think and that's and that's the same thing.
39:52I think in in American politics, one of the one of the easiest ways that's
39:57really kind of out in the open.
39:59Right. For, you know, certain campaign finance laws and lobbying laws and fair responsibilities is
40:05that you just follow the money.
40:07And it's really out in the open.
40:10And, you know, one of I think one of the major players in what's taking
40:14place right now, obviously, is Ballard Partners and Mercury Public Affairs.
40:20You know, and and what's what people don't have any idea is that the White
40:25House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, spent eight years as a lobbyist at Ballard Partners
40:31with offices in Florida, Tel Aviv and Saudi Arabia.
40:36So if you look at the nexus of that alone as what's taking place overseas,
40:41it's pretty amazing. The other side of that is is then served as the co
40:45-chair of Mercury Public Affairs.
40:47And then Pam Bondi also came from Ballard.
40:51Right. And Ballard bundled one point eight million for Trump this cycle.
40:56And then after he got elected, they signed 28 new clients in 66 days while
41:03she was the chief of staff.
41:05Right. So as you pull back and also Ballard has been a, you know, I've
41:12pretty much been a part of Rubio's career from the beginning.
41:16So, you know, when you when you take a step back and look at that,
41:21why is it so difficult for our team, let's say.
41:30Right. Which is for the American people, those kids.
41:33Yes. Because that's that's my one of my main focus on this is to really
41:37try and inspire, you know, young American men how to make good decisions that strengthen
41:44the country in a way that gives them back the dream we promised them.
41:49Yeah. You know, and and how do you how do you.
41:55What do you what do you say to those kids in order to understand the
42:01power of of what lobbying represents to kind of provoke them into action themselves?
42:08And then what action specifically can they do?
42:13If you're you're this is where it's going to require work.
42:17And this they're not going to freely tell you all this information that's not in
42:21their best interest is that they're and lay their cards down on the table.
42:25You've got to look at it like a like a poker game.
42:27You've got to do your analysis of the other the person on the other side
42:30of the table constantly. You've got to look at, you know, where you've got the
42:36information's out there. One of the beautiful things that like data Republican is showing is
42:41how much information is out there.
42:43If you if you scan for it and look for it, she's incredible.
42:47Oh, isn't she? I've absolutely gone away.
42:51background for years and the analysis and the connections and everything just fantastic.
42:56But that's the level of it's going to require work.
42:59And the one like we're like I was talking about with the zoomers going after
43:03marathons, that's work. And if you're going to be a good citizen, this is and
43:09like I said, we went to probably much earlier.
43:12I talked about the fact that we went to sleep as a good citizen.
43:15It's on us to do the research.
43:17It's on us to get a decent education, to do the research on our own.
43:23They're not going to give it to us.
43:24We've got to do the sort information into intelligence, do the analysis and then vote
43:31accordingly. It's going to require work on our part.
43:33I'm sorry that the the old days of just, you know, getting your news from
43:36the TV like the boomers and like we.
43:38as an early ex -gen, you know, is I'll just watch TV and I'll get
43:42what I need to know from them.
43:43Those days are gone. We're in an information age.
43:46Use the information. AI is out there.
43:49If you got questions, use the tools that you have available.
43:53They're beautiful. Jump on AI.
43:56Ask the question. AI will fill you up with knowledge faster, but you got to
44:01read it. You can't just sit there and accept AI as is, but read it
44:05and really do it. And I trust, the one thing I suspect with the Zoomers
44:10is that they are going to go, they're going to adopt that mentality.
44:15They're not going to take everything at face value anymore.
44:17They've already seen the mistake of taking things at face value.
44:20And so they're learning and they're asking questions and they're doing the hard work.
44:26They're they're lifting weights again.
44:29They're jujitsu. And I just want to say you're a black belt in jujitsu and
44:34have your own jujitsu. You're a black belt in judo as well, too.
44:37So how, how critical is it learning the work?
44:41Not just, you know, obviously the physicality of, of, of the grind teaches you so
44:46much about yourself and expands, expands what your potential might be, but the work intellectually,
44:53the work emotionally. Yeah. Uh, so I had a school before, uh, I'm going to
44:58college right now because I'm getting some surgeries and much needed surgeries on my body.
45:01I've had a shoulder replacement and knee replacement just in the past two months.
45:05But once that's healed back up and I'm, I'm, I've graduated from school, I'm going
45:08to open up another school here in the area.
45:10And one of the ways that I'm going with this is I'm going to go
45:14into the intellectual side of it.
45:16Um, because the, the, the one, there's so much jujitsu is kind of falling in
45:22the wayside because they put too much effort, effort into the physicality of it.
45:26Um, and not enough into the intellectual side of it to, it all has meaning.
45:31It all has relevance. I'm not saying jujitsu is life and you need to become
45:34a cultist or anything like that, but what you, you need to sit there and
45:39realize, like one of the things I'm, we're going to be teaching and I've talked
45:42this over with my wife and we're really, really, it's something we want to do
45:45is that there are six different ways to go with a conflict.
45:50You know, I'll give you the big three is, is always fight, flight or freeze,
45:54right? Those are the big three.
45:55There's three more beyond that, but everybody has a way of dealing with conflict.
46:00And so you have people out there who absolutely are scared to just step on
46:05the map because it's not within their conflict realm.
46:07They, their idea of engaging any sort of conflict with either verbally, mentally, um, physically
46:13is, uh, antithetical to them.
46:15They, they don't want to upset people.
46:18Uh, conflict is, is you may wind up upsetting somebody and you have to sit
46:22there and go beyond that spot.
46:24Um, and, and just getting on the mat and engaging with somebody and saying, I'm
46:28going to resist you. Um, and so training, training, taking that over into what we're
46:35doing is even, even off the mat is that people still respond with those same
46:41six different things. Probably one of the bigger ones that you're seeing with the, the,
46:47uh, the millennial generation is a form of fawning where they try to, they try
46:51to get along because they've been beat down with your racist, your this, your that.
46:55And so they try to get along.
46:57They, and, and that, that they try to make the other side happy, but the
47:00other side is absolutely refuses to be happy.
47:03And so you've got one side trying to make the other happy and the other
47:06side is not going to ever be happy.
47:08And so you've got one side constantly working, you know, trying not to be racist,
47:12trying not to be a fascist, trying not to be anti -Semitic, trying, try, and
47:16they're doing everything possible to try to make the other side happy and it's not
47:19going to happen. That is a form of conflict.
47:21Uh, reaction is the fawning response of trying to make the other side happy and
47:26to, you got to sit there and address that.
47:29You can't, you can't live your life trying to make somebody else happy.
47:32It doesn't work. It, uh, and not in the history of ever has I'm a
47:36people pleaser ever made anybody happy.
47:39You can, you cannot list on count on one hand on how many people you've
47:43pleased being a people pleaser.
47:44You've got, you be yourself and maybe you'll please people.
47:49And, and so with the, like the, the BJJ and to real life aspect of,
47:53look, you're going to get on the mat.
47:55You're going to resist. You're going to put effort.
47:57You're going to fight, um, for you, for you, you don't have to, you can
48:04work it so you don't upset the other person, but you can still win without
48:07upsetting the other person. And all those relationships of conflict of teaching people, not just
48:12to react with fight or not to react with, Oh my God, flight, fight, but,
48:16or freeze even worse. Oh my God, I don't know what to do.
48:18It's just move them through, teach them all six forms of conflict and to be
48:23able to sit there and, and react and pick and choose those things.
48:28I want to take a white belt who has, who comes in there and is
48:30a fauner and get them to the point where they can pick and choose which
48:33form of conflict that they're going to resolution they're going to go with by the
48:37time they're black belt. Fantastic.
48:41All right. Um, last thoughts on last question for you, uh, obviously, you know, I
48:49think people in particular, those zoomers, they, they, they're nervous right now.
48:54They, you know, all the different changes in draft numbers and, you know, they're 80
49:00seconds being moved. There's two muse that are in, everybody's saying we're going to war.
49:05There's boots on the ground.
49:06Well, there's two sample results.
49:06Thank you. we're, uh, You know, and so I think these these young people are
49:12in this, you know, unique space of going the the main challenges are ahead of
49:19us. But in reality, we're already in this insurgency.
49:23There's an insurgency going on internally, just as you noticed with the Minnesota Post that
49:29garnered 32 million views, which was unbelievable, by the way.
49:35And but we're in an insurgency.
49:37And I loved how what you just talked about, what jujitsu, it formulates your mind
49:44to face the insurgency. Obviously, these these young people and us included, I mean, we're
49:51not out of the way.
49:53We're I think you're right.
49:55We're in an operational hierarchical structure.
49:58Right. We're the teachers. We're the influencers.
50:00We're that. And I hate using that word.
50:03I'm sorry. That's but but as this as they're making as they're adapting to this
50:12intellectually and emotionally, how how do they begin to interact with each other?
50:19Like what what what what should they because one of the things that I think
50:24was so catastrophic with Charlie Kirk's death was he was teaching them how to think
50:29as a collective. Right. And in order to beat the system.
50:34Right. That's already entrenched in order.
50:37And now I believe that the there's a group within that system that are trying
50:41to bring AI in to solidify the system permanently.
50:46Right. Whether it's through a digital currency or voting by phone or a social credit
50:51score or whatever that is, because right at every time we go into a massive
50:55war footing, we lose our liberties a lot more.
51:00As we saw from the Patriot Act.
51:02Opportunity. Right. Right. Right. How do they begin to fortify themselves as a collective group
51:11that can push back like it?
51:15You know, is it only through social media?
51:18Is it only through getting involved in their precinct or running for office?
51:23What what what what systems can they create?
51:27OK, so first off, I have faith that no matter what insurgery insurgency it is,
51:34you know, whether it be the the Democrat insurgency, whether it be, you know, the
51:37Republican old school insurgency that is going on, all of them trying to capture society
51:42and make and reframe it in their way of doing.
51:46I think all of them are destined to fail the if the core of the
51:51country, the the the actual line of people who who are quiet, who are out
51:57here farming, who live their lives, they are in their neighborhoods and stuff like that.
52:01Part of an insurgency is you have to you've got to convince everybody to think
52:05your way and they're what they're selling is not going to take.
52:09The problem is with the insert is still going to the insurgencies are still going
52:13to cause problems. And that's the bigger aspect that I want to stop.
52:16They're going to fail. They can't they can't switch the American thought process where we
52:21are. So we are a team that is designed.
52:25We want to be number one.
52:26We want to go to the moon.
52:28We want to go to Mars.
52:29We want to win an NBA game.
52:31You know, when you got young football players on high school teams and they don't
52:34even have a car and they're walking to school and bringing their gear with them.
52:38You know, that type of of fortitude within the American.
52:41You can't change that. That's core.
52:44And I have faith in that when I see it every day as I look
52:48around where I live here in Georgia.
52:50And there are so many good people out there doing so many great things.
52:53They're just there. It's just a matter of everybody looking and seeing each other because
52:58we all got drifted into this.
53:00The covid of living in your house and not looking around and looking at at
53:04the people to your left and right.
53:05Your team is out there.
53:08And so how do I see these young people doing?
53:11The biggest thing is be yourself.
53:13Be your true self. Don't your team, your crew, your people will find you.
53:22If you're out there doing marathons like what is going on with with the zoomer
53:26where they hold that in high esteem as a medal from a marathon.
53:29I thought, God, that's beautiful.
53:31It speaks volumes. When you see that they're going to the weight room and they're
53:35being themselves, they're done. They're they're they're done playing games for other people.
53:38I don't care if you call me a racist.
53:40I don't care if you call me a homophobic.
53:42They're done trying to get along and they're going to be themselves.
53:45And in that, when you it's just like finding your spouse or something, you can't
53:50change who you are and attract your spouse.
53:52You have to be yourself and you'll find somebody who will join with you, who
53:57will be become part of your team, your your support, your your, you know, your
54:02partner for life is because you're true to who you are.
54:04And that's for it, just like we do head on the teams, everybody on the
54:08teams was true to themselves.
54:10They had gone through selection.
54:11They had gone through a process.
54:13They had revealed their character and then they put us together and then we work
54:16together and combine as a team and we work together and everybody sees each other.
54:20And, you know, that's my team.
54:23And and all the challenges that come along the way and you go through them
54:27and and the more you go through the I mean, they're they're young.
54:31They've got a lot of things they're going to do.
54:32They're going to get a lot of challenges.
54:34keeping yourself, be strong, show your true character and the right people will find you.
54:39If you've tried to fake who you are, you're the only people you're going to
54:42get around you who want you because of who you're faking that you are.
54:45So if you believe in America, if you believe in the goodness of how we
54:53are, we're the best team out there.
54:54We are. There's no other team trying to do what we are.
54:57There's no other country that believes that we're well beyond trying to win the game.
55:04We're trying to improve and be better than we are than we are every single
55:07day. Elon Musk, and it's just leading the way we, I was just thinking about
55:14this just this morning too.
55:15It's like one of the worst things that's happened in the United States is the
55:19streetlights and neon lights. The thing about streetlights and neon lights is when they're lit
55:26up, you can't see the stars.
55:28But those of us who've been out in the desert, like we were in overseas
55:31and you look up and you see stars everywhere.
55:34That is the American way of thinking is like, I'm not contained.
55:38I'm not blinded. I see the universe out there and you have to aspire to
55:44such great things. That's the human condition is to aspire, to move forward, to go,
55:49to continue going. I mean, humankind, we're all masked on planet earth.
55:55If something takes up planet earth, that's the end of mankind.
55:58That's it. All of our eggs are in one basket right now.
56:00We've, we've got to be moving so much forward that we've got to expand beyond
56:04earth. And if we don't do that as humans, as we don't come together and
56:08grab the people around us and move forward, we're done.
56:12That's it. This is the end of the human experiment as it is.
56:15And we've got to, you've just got to adopt a mindset, the Goggins, the, the,
56:19uh, the Jocko Wilmix and stuff like that.
56:21Those guys are great at getting people going that the next level is leading is
56:26going out, you know? Yeah.
56:28You're running marathons. Yeah. You're lifting weights.
56:30Yeah. You're getting good grades and taking different realms of, of education.
56:34It's like, now go lead, go big, go do big things.
56:39Go. I'm on your team.
56:41I'm cheering for them. I am cheering for them every single day.
56:45And I love it. I, one of the funniest things about the marathon, I just
56:49saw this the other day too, is they're now there.
56:52This is how I'm going to sit there and say the devil, Satan or whatever,
56:55and you can read into it how you want is somebody has come up with
56:59the ideas that they're going to, they hand out medals at the, if you get
57:02to 18 miles, they're willing to give you a medal.
57:04If that isn't the devil at work right there to sit there and hit you,
57:08that is exactly where the wall hits is at the, that's right.
57:11And, and God bless every zoomer who looks at that guy out there waiting to
57:16pass out a medal at the 18 mile mark when they signed up to do
57:1926 and he doesn't give them the finger.
57:22He's like, how dare you try to compromise me that I'm going to give up
57:27that easily for here. I got a medal.
57:29I got a medal. You can have it at 18.
57:31I think the zoomers are done with that.
57:33They're not playing. They don't want a participation medal.
57:35They want to, they want to, I'm going to run 26.
57:38I may just get done and run 27, 28, 29.
57:40I make Goggins the heck out of this thing.
57:43God bless them. I love them.
57:45I, you know, that I am, I am so enthusiastic about them out there.
57:49I'm like, it gives me like the, the joy that you have on your team,
57:53you know, as you, as you're looking at the younger guys and they are pushing
57:56the limits and you're like, Oh yes.
57:59And then now you join in and now you're pushing the limits again too.
58:02I hate that static feeling.
58:05And like I said, zoomers, young guys, and everybody out there, just be yourself.
58:10Your crowd will find you.
58:12Trust me. Don't, don't fake anything.
58:14Be you and your people will find you.
58:19Amen. Holy cow. Eric Schwamm.
58:23How can people follow you?
58:25How can they sign up for your newsletters?
58:27How can they support you?
58:29And what do you got coming up next?
58:31So I, if you know, you can find me on, on X, that's where I
58:35pretty much live and breathe.
58:36I'm not looking to make any money out of this.
58:38I, I, I do this purely out of the spirit of, of what I was
58:44trained and being special forces and being a good leader and, and the selfless service.
58:48I have, I'm, I'm fine.
58:50You know, monetarily I'm fine.
58:52You know, I'm, I'm going to get better physically.
58:54I'm, I got future plans of my own and goals.
58:58I'm here for the fight.
58:59I'm here for America. I'm here for the people that the, the young people and
59:04who want to have, who want to dream, who want to chase those dreams and
59:09aren't satisfied with sitting on the couch, um, who, who look at a mountain and
59:15they don't get to a plateau and think I'm going to stop.
59:17They continue to climb that mountain.
59:19And that's what I'm here for.
59:20That's it. That's I, I got no other aspirations.
59:23I'm here to provide information, you know, read my stories.
59:26I'm going to put out, you know, good ways of thinking that'll help you achieve
59:30your goals and dreams. And then, you know, once I, hopefully at some point I
59:34can sit there and pass the ball and move on.
59:37If you want to continue to listen to me, keep listening.
59:39If not, no problem. I'm going to go do my American things.
59:44Outstanding, sir. Uh, I can't thank you enough for just all your service and, uh,
59:50and then sharing your insight and your wisdom.
59:52Um, I'm, I'm really looking forward to, uh, paying attention what you're doing and, and
59:57man, I would love to have you on in the future.
59:59If you were willing to come back, I'm here, brother.
1:00:01You know that. It's like, you know, one team, one fight.
1:00:05I'm here to make America better, to help everybody get to the next step.
1:00:11Outstanding. Thank you very much.
1:00:13God bless you. God bless you, sir.