Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 1 - Interior Secretary Doug Burgum
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
0:38Show podcast. Welcome in to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
0:43Show. And we have this hour joining us, the Secretary of the Interior, Doug Burgum.
0:53We have got a lot to talk to him about.
0:55The Secretary of the Interior has a very important job in this administration and it
0:59has to do with our natural resources, oil, gas, minerals, all that stuff.
1:05Some interesting policy implemented or in the process of being implemented by this Trump White
1:11House that we want to address with you because there is, as you can tell,
1:15a major, major focus from Trump and everybody in his top inner circle on getting
1:24the economy running on all cylinders here.
1:27And we had 4 % growth or something.
1:30I mean, the numbers are looking great for the last quarter.
1:35I just, Clay, what was the growth number?
1:37I was seeing it's very, yeah, here we go.
1:39Here's National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett.
1:41We had this on the, you know what, let's hear from the National Economic Council
1:46Director. This is cut one, play it.
1:48I think that there are two forces that are sort of pushing down and then
1:51one force that's pushing up.
1:52The force that's pushing up is the GDP growth is through the roof.
1:57Even with a revised down GDP now, we're looking at 4 % growth into the
2:02end of the year, 3 % for the year as a whole, despite the fact
2:05that we had a really negative first quarter with Joe Biden.
2:09And so that's the positive effect.
2:10The negative effects are when there's a productivity boom, then maybe you can make the
2:15same amount of stuff with fewer workers since that might reduce labor demand.
2:19And then the other thing is that there's a pretty big decline in the labor
2:22force because of illegals leaving the country.
2:26And so the break -even job number is quite a bit lower than it was
2:30under Joe Biden when there were people, you know, basically coming across the border willy
2:35-nilly. And so I think that you should expect slightly smaller job numbers.
2:41Clay, I mean, it wasn't a bad bunny concert he's given there, but this stuff
2:47really matters. This is meaningful to all of us, and the economic numbers are looking
2:52good. We'll get back into this and certainly talk to the Secretary of the Interior,
2:56Doug Burgum. He's a billionaire, isn't he?
2:59Oh, yeah. This guy knows something about money.
3:00Yeah, he knows about money.
3:02He's a guy who's got a lot of money.
3:03But he really does know about what he's trying to implement with policy and how
3:08the administration is moving things forward.
3:10We'll get into that. But right now, the dominant news story still across most platforms,
3:19most mediums, is this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping story.
3:25No, I understand it. First of all, there's something particularly horrific and hits home about
3:34a senior citizen member of your family just disappearing from their home, being disappeared from
3:40their home in something like this.
3:42It does have that, Clay, that this could happen to anyone feeling, which always hits
3:49harder, I think, when people say, oh, this could have been my mom or my
3:52grandma. And so that is getting a lot of attention.
3:56Obviously, Savannah Guthrie is a prominent news personality, and so that's getting a lot of
4:01attention. Here is the late—we didn't play this yet, right?
4:04I'm just making sure. The latest video, here is Savannah Guthrie released a video speaking,
4:10well, to the American people, but also trying to reach, I suppose, the hostage taker
4:14or takers. This is cut, too.
4:16Play it. We received your message, and we understand.
4:20We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate
4:25with her. This is the only way we will have peace.
4:29This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.
4:36Play, what's your sense of all of this?
4:38I mean, guys, just to be clear, usually we give you hard facts, news, and
4:44then we analyze. In this case, there's going to be some speculation because there's so
4:48few facts that it feels very amorphous as a story.
4:53So it's been nine days, and I'm going to be honest with you.
4:59The fact that kidnappers in this day and age could hold someone with this many
5:06people searching for nine days and be communicating, in theory, in some way and not
5:13be tracked down, I'm stunned by all of this.
5:17I did a bunch of reading over the weekend to try to make sure that
5:20I was as informed about this as I could be my speculation.
5:25is it has to, in some way, be an incredibly detailed, planned, inside job.
5:31And you say, okay, Clay, what's your evidence for that?
5:34They turned the cameras off on her house, somehow.
5:39So there was a camera outside that would have recorded everything.
5:44They somehow got it turned off in the time before they took her.
5:49Somehow they were not captured anywhere in the neighborhood.
5:53Remember, like, take a step back, Buck.
5:55When the Idaho killings happened, they were able to go back and use cell phone
6:02data to figure out who exactly was in that area.
6:06They also were able to use all these different cameras from the area because it
6:12was late at night. And we know the murders in Idaho happened around 2 a
6:17.m., if I remember correctly.
6:18And the reality is there's relatively few people on the streets around 2 a .m.
6:24I understand that they say that this location where she was kidnapped from is fairly
6:31rural in some way, meaning it's not as if your one house is right on
6:36top of everybody else. But how many cars would have even been on the road
6:40at 2 a .m. in this area?
6:42I would think there's a gas.
6:44Remember, they kind of got it caught some stuff at a gas station that was
6:47nearby that had an outdoor viewing.
6:50I'm sure they're reviewing all these different cars, but there's just not going to be
6:54that many cars on the road in the 2 a .m.
6:57hour that would have been able to get in and out, I don't think, and
7:01kidnap her. There's not going to be that many cell phones pinging in that location.
7:05Now, they could turn them off.
7:07But it feels very strongly planned.
7:11And I come back to something that I said right off the top, and I
7:15could be wrong about this.
7:17I don't think that most people would have any idea who Savannah Guthrie's mom is.
7:23So I understand that she's wealthy and she's somewhat famous.
7:27I think people who knew her would know who her daughter is.
7:32I don't think that Nancy Guthrie herself is so famous that people would have been
7:39able to target her because of her fame.
7:42I don't think most people who are famous, we know who their moms are.
7:45I'll give you just random.
7:46Do you know who Drake's mom is?
7:47I've got no idea, right?
7:49Do you know who Bad Bunny's mom is?
7:50I've got no idea. Do you know who, you know, unless the mom is, like
7:56I mentioned J .D. Vance's mom because she spoke at the National Convention, sometimes the
8:01mom is a part of the story of the son or daughter, and that makes
8:06them famous. It doesn't appear that that was the case here.
8:09So to me, this is someone local that knew Nancy Guthrie very well, knew that
8:16Savannah had money, and this was a super planned attempt to kidnap her with the
8:23idea being that we're going to get millions of dollars and get away with it.
8:27I don't think that's very likely.
8:29I just, and I understand they're asking for, I think it's $6 million in crypto
8:33to get her back. I'm sure Savannah Guthrie would pay any dollar figure, and I
8:41would think that she would have $6 million to be able to get her mom
8:44back. The crypto, I understand, is relatively untraceable, and that's why they want that, and
8:50it vanishes. But it just, the fact that this could go on for nine days,
8:55even the way that she speaks in those videos, she's a professional TV person.
9:01It's as if there is a request that she use certain words in those videos.
9:07The way that she's speaking doesn't even feel natural and organic to me.
9:13And I know that a lot of you have a ton of takes on this.
9:16This is the, you know, number one story that everybody is covering.
9:21The deadline is coming up tonight.
9:24The whole thing is very, very strange to me, and it feels like it must
9:28be on some level an inside job, somebody who was close to her to even
9:33think to do this in the way that they did it.
9:36Does that make sense to you?
9:37You worked in the CIA.
9:38I'm just trying to piece together all the information that we have and try to
9:42make sense of it right now, and that seems like the most logical analysis to
9:47me. I think your analysis is sound.
9:51There's just so little to go on here.
9:53One thing that, you know, I spent some time back in the day, the NYPD,
9:58with some longtime guys who had been homicide detectives, and this is not something that
10:04is thought only by them.
10:06It's not like new thinking, but in this day and age, if you kill someone
10:12that you know, you're going to get caught.
10:16Now, will you be convicted?
10:17That's another question. But they're going to know that it's very hard to kill someone
10:21that you have contact with, that you have any kind of a previous interaction with,
10:25and then not to be able to figure that out.
10:29This is why, you know, any kind of like a murder -for -hire situation, you
10:33know, you often get the person that did the hiring, actually, sometimes even before you'll
10:37find the, you know, you'll find out more about the actual killer because if you
10:41had no contact beforehand, anyway, the kidnapping situation here to me, if you had any
10:50prior contact, it starts to get into things.
10:53Things like, will you leave DNA behind at the scene?
10:55Would it be expected for you to?
10:57That's always a big thing.
10:59They go for the cell phones, obviously, and I'm not giving anything away.
11:02I'm just a civilian who watches CSI like everybody else.
11:06But they go for your cell phones.
11:08They go to see who pings on towers.
11:10They go through surveillance footage, and then they look for evidence at the scene.
11:15And primarily, Clay, that's going to be obviously in this kind of a case, did
11:18the person leave behind DNA, hair, any kind of skin cells, obviously fingerprints, but fingerprints
11:23are pretty easy to not leave behind if you know what you're doing.
11:27But DNA is a lot tougher.
11:28I mean, that's why, if you remember, in the end of the movie, The Departed,
11:31not to give away anything, but when, what's his name, Marky Mark, Mark Wahlberg shows
11:38up. Oh, wait, you've not seen it?
11:40I've never seen The Departed.
11:42This is crazy. Am I the only person in America who hasn't seen The Departed?
11:46I actually, I've never watched it.
11:47You are in the, I would wager, the 10 % of this audience who has
11:52not seen The Departed. I bet 90 % of our audience has seen The Departed.
11:56That's a, I mean, I think it won Best Picture, didn't it?
11:58Not that that really means anything.
12:00It's been out, I know it's been out a while.
12:02Yeah, a lot of those movies came out when my kids were young, and I
12:05just wasn't that often, you know, like going to movie theaters for about six or
12:11seven years there, and that was in that window.
12:15Anyway, at the end of The Departed, sorry, Clay, Mark Wahlberg shows up, and he's
12:19dressed in a, like a head -to -toe, almost like he's in a hazmat suit
12:24kind of a thing, that's so he doesn't leave DNA at the scene.
12:27Yeah. I mean, but that's what it would require generally to not, because you're talking
12:31about skin cells, hair, I mean, you're just, you're shedding all the time.
12:36So you would think, Clay, that they would have some ability, but it gets complicated
12:40because if somebody already knew them, was already there, there's a lot of people that
12:43might have been coming and going in that house, how do you separate this out?
12:48My thing is just this kidnapper, the expectation is they'll be able to do this,
12:54and then they'll get away?
12:57To me, that, it just seems like a very bad, I know they're going with
13:02Bitcoin, which is, the idea is that that will be hard to, or basically impossible
13:07to trace, you can access it globally, but I just feel like they're going to
13:14get caught at some point.
13:15But maybe I'm overly optimistic on that.
13:19The other thing I would add in is her blood was found on the front
13:25porch, suggesting that there was some form of struggle in the way that she was
13:31taken. If that is accurate, I mean, I guess it's possible that they took a
13:36vial of her blood and intentionally, like, right?
13:39I mean, you can work through how the blood could have gotten there without it
13:42being a violent struggle. But typically in a violent struggle, there is some sort of
13:48injury in both directions. If she were bleeding, I know she's 84, but even an
13:5484 -year -old fighting back nails, everything else can create a crime scene.
14:01So it would seem to me, to your point, Buck, unless they're showing up in
14:04hazmat suits, that there would be some evidence that that would be left behind here.
14:10And if they did show up in hazmat suits, it circles back around to, this
14:15was an extremely detailed and planned abduction.
14:21But it all just, it is so strange, all the details that have taken place
14:25here. And we'll see whether we're going to get some sort of resolution to come
14:29out of this. But it is very, very strange.
14:33Look, you want to be able to defend yourself.
14:35And we're talking about a situation here that's obviously a very serious crime has occurred.
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17:05All right, let's run through some of these calls.
17:07Robert in Indiana is back with us.
17:09Robert, what you got? Yeah, I just wanted to...
17:13First, I want to say I really enjoy listening to you guys.
17:17You're factual, you're truthful, you're patriots, and that means a lot to me.
17:23Thank you. And then I wanted to comment on the halftime show.
17:30You know, being it's the 250th year anniversary of our great nation, the greatest nation,
17:39it would seem to me that the theme should have been around that.
17:44Yeah, thank you for the call, and thanks for the feedback on the show.
17:50That's a good call. It is the 250th anniversary of the country, America 250.
17:57This is the only opportunity for anyone out there to celebrate 250 in the Super
18:02Bowl, because 251 next February.
18:05Yeah, that would have been a good move for Roger Goodell to potentially raise.
18:11And again, I think one of the challenges, Buck, is we think of people who
18:16make, and Roger Goodell does, $40 million a year.
18:20He's saying he's $40 million.
18:21Outrageous, by the way. There are 1 ,000 people who can do that job.
18:24Why is he making $40 million a year?
18:26Just because he's the biggest piggy at the trough.
18:29He makes $40 million a year.
18:32And in order to keep that $40 million a year, I mean, I could 100
18:36% do that job better than Roger Goodell could.
18:38And that's not me being cocky.
18:40That's just, I'm younger, I understand the dynamics of the job, I think, better than
18:44he does. But, he's a coward.
18:48Clay would do it for $30, by the way.
18:50He'd do it for $30.
18:51I'd do it for $30.
18:52But, he's not doing what's in the best interest of the league.
18:56He's doing what's in the best interest of him not getting noticed for being the
19:00commissioner of the league. And if he raises his hand and says, I don't know
19:04if we need bad money, somebody's going to say, well, that's racist of you, Roger.
19:07The only way he loses his job is if people decide that he's racist.
19:12And so, he's not doing what's in the best interest of the entity.
19:17And so many people are doing the same thing.
19:20He's just doing whatever he can to keep his job.
19:22Maybe he needs a little bit more testosterone in his life.
19:24Maybe he needs a little bit more chalk.
19:26Maybe then he would have said, hey, you know what, it's America 250.
19:29Let's have a Super Bowl that everybody can love.
19:33Maybe let's even have a Super Bowl halftime performance in English.
19:37So that everybody can understand what's actually being said doesn't seem like a crazy idea
19:42to me. And maybe if Roger Goodell would sign up for chalk, he would have
19:47much higher testosterone. And maybe he would have the spine to stand up to the
19:51morons inside of his company and make the best decision for the NFL.
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20:14Chalk .com. I guess we're not going to have any Bad Bunny music on the
20:26rejoins here. So that's, we got that going for us.
20:29Here's the truth, Buck. I wouldn't even know if we did play a Bad Bunny
20:33song on the rejoin. Like, I just, I don't even have any idea what the
20:38guy sings. In addition to not being able to understand it.
20:41Like, I remember, the only part of that show that I knew was, I remember
20:44that song, Gasolina, or whatever it was.
20:47It was super popular back in the day.
20:48It was not even his song, from what I understand.
20:50Correct. Some other guy's song, yeah.
20:51But that was the only part of it where I was like, oh, I remember
20:53having heard this before. Again, I live in Miami, so I'm exposed to certain genres
20:59of music on a regular basis.
21:01And I would, I think that, I think that reggaeton may be the worst music
21:08in existence, like, as a genre.
21:11I think it might be the worst.
21:13What's up? It's R &B, as I have argued before.
21:16Oh, no, no, no. That is a, we're just going to, that's a bless your
21:21heart take, Clay. That's a bless your heart take.
21:23At least reggaeton, reggaeton, or however you pronounce it, like, reggaeton, reggaeton, whatever it is,
21:30at least it has a beat that is positive and uplifting, whereas R &B is
21:37just like, I want to drown my soul because some relationship I had is bad,
21:42and I'm going to sing about it for 48 consecutive minutes.
21:46I just, I can't believe you threw.
21:48boys to men under the bus like this i don't even know it's the end
21:52of the road what to say what it's makes everyone very sad as we get
21:55into this i think reggaeton may be the worst music in existence i don't know
21:59death metal you know is that really even a genre though i think it's just
22:03really bad heavy metal like a heavy metal can be awesome so this is where
22:06i'm gonna sound like you i if it's super loud i just i really don't
22:12enjoy it i'm just like ah it's so loud like why do why do you
22:15want to scream at me like i don't need like the whole death metal thing
22:18i doug bergham is going to join us now and i bet he's never had
22:21the previous lead in for his uh for any of his interviews be uh death
22:25metal analysis uh secretary of the interior doug bergham with us now uh we appreciate
22:32you sir thank you for being here uh let's let's die let's talk great thank
22:37thank you thank you let's talk yeah yeah yeah i was enjoying listening into the
22:42commentary thank you well we we try to do a good show uh tell us
22:46this the we got a lot of questions for you first up u .s oil
22:49production drill baby drill the trump energy plan bring us up to speed ice is
22:55getting a lot of attention the overall economy is getting a lot of attention where
22:59are we on unlocking america's energy potential and bringing us into a 21st century uh
23:05footing for all of the above well we're all of the above if it includes
23:12affordable reliable and u .s secure energy uh that's the common sense policy of president
23:17trump and uh drill baby drill uh one of his main campaign uh promises he's
23:22delivered on it uh through a whole of government approach uh creating the national energy
23:27dominance council we've got everybody in the cabinet basically working to execute uh to deliver
23:33on this and uh you know a year ago think of it a year ago
23:36there was a biden ban on lng export facilities now uh the u .s number
23:41one exporter in the world we've displaced two -thirds of russian gas in uh in
23:45europe taking a whack out of their their pocketbook uh we've uh you know we
23:50got real teeth behind sanctions around the world which then means that china's going to
23:55have to start paying the full price as opposed to discounted price uh for oil
23:59and and then back at home uh we've dropped the price of gasoline at the
24:03pump uh and of course uh we've done that dramatically in one year with the
24:07record number of drilling permits going out working hard make sure we get the price
24:12of electricity down which was driven up by these crazy uh climate extremist policies and
24:17in parts of our country so that the that's one area where we've really been
24:22really really delivered on but we got to keep driving uh we got to keep
24:26driving forward uh to make sure because we're in a we're in an ai arms
24:31race with china and the country where the most electricity is going to win uh
24:34and uh we can be ahead in chips we can be ahead in in in
24:38software but if china china's crushing us in terms of uh how fast they're bringing
24:43electricity online we've got to we've got to get back to america being able to
24:47build great things and build them quickly and the energy energy dominance is also about
24:52critical minerals we can talk about that too but i mean that's another area where
24:56we're we got to make up a bunch of lost ground uh not just drill
24:59baby drill but we got a mine baby mine in this country uh and and
25:03of course why does this matter to your listeners if you're the car you drive
25:07the food you eat the clothes on your back the home you heat everything everything
25:11has got an energy component in it uh when we bring the price of energy
25:15down we're bringing down the price of everything and when we do it american with
25:19american energy that improves that's bringing prosperity at home and peace abroad is is the
25:23core to the agenda you can't separate national security or a national economy uh from
25:28energy policy president trump has got it dialed in and totally got it figured out
25:32and got a great team across the board working on it one thing one thing
25:36secretary bergum i want to ask you um before i hand over the play i
25:39thought this was really interesting that there's a fund that the u .s so the
25:45trump administration has established to invest in critical minerals uh and you know we talk
25:52about rare earth and we talk about these things on the policy side can you
25:55discuss a little bit about this i mean what what is the criteria to invest
26:00here what would these investments hopefully do um and and can we expect this is
26:05like this five billion dollar fund alongside orion resource partners uh i thought this was
26:10a really interesting story that i read recently in bloomberg well yes yes yes it
26:15is buck and it's uh again when you've got the deal maker in chief and
26:19a business guy running the country then you can come up with creative solutions this
26:22is the parallel to what uh most americans would know that we've got a u
26:26.s strategic petroleum reserve where we had a bank of oil that was owned by
26:31the federal government to create a buffer in case of a time of uh of
26:34crisis uh we had nothing you know relative to u .s strategic critical minerals reserve
26:41and so we became uh like most countries in the world completely dependent on china
26:46china whether they're doing the mining at home or mining abroad like in africa or
26:50indonesia uh they were doing the refining of those minerals back in china they control
26:5685 to 100 percent of the refining and then they can control the export of
27:00those so last year they threatened to stop the exports of the of the things
27:05that we need to you know build a car uh build a cell phone all
27:09of these things they we were within weeks of shutting down car manufacturing in the
27:13u .s because of china's stranglehold on these minerals in part because we've spent decades
27:18deciding that we were going to get out of the mining business in this country,
27:22and we've got to get back into mining in America.
27:27So I say, OK, get back into mining.
27:30I open a mine. I'm going to do refining.
27:32China comes in, dumps a bunch of that particular metal on the market, crushes the
27:38price, and you're out of business.
27:41This has happened over and over in America and around the world where China was
27:44just using their illegal trade tactics to try to crush new startups and new entries
27:51to maintain their grip on this.
27:53So this thing that you're describing in combination with a club of nations where this
27:58last week hosted at the State Department, we had JD, Marco, Chris Wright, Howard Lutnik,
28:04Scott Besant, myself, everybody involved in this thing across the whole of government, over 50
28:09nations here wanting to join a club of nations where you could trade freely around
28:13critical minerals amongst each other with a price floor that would then allow the capital
28:19to start flowing back in this industry, protected from the illegal activities of the trade
28:25side. But on the project called Project Vault, which is the critical minerals strategic reserve,
28:32that was, again, President Trump, hey, can we do this without tax dollars?
28:36Yes. Can we go faster if we have to go through Congress?
28:38Yes. So Ex -Im Bank putting up $10 billion.
28:41You mentioned Irine and others.
28:43There's other companies that are stepping in, providing equity against that.
28:48And so close to $12 billion that will then begin the foundation of over 60
28:54critical minerals. We'll have 60 different stockpiles for all of these minerals that we need
28:59to keep our industry going, whether it's defense tech, regular tech, or whether it's the
29:04refrigerator in your home or things that you need for new construction or your power
29:10drill in your shop, that your hand power drill.
29:13Those have got magnets that have critical minerals.
29:15So these are everywhere. Your cell phone's got 42 different critical minerals in it.
29:19So this is a great solution to ensure that America has economic security and can't
29:27be controlled by China controlling the export of these minerals.
29:32Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergamon with us now.
29:36So many people, every time we talk about the price of oil and gas, I
29:40say where I live in Tennessee, hey, the price of oil and gas is down
29:44significant when I go to the gas station.
29:46And then inevitably we hear from so many people who have the misfortune of living
29:50in blue states that price of oil and gas still very high where they are.
29:55I do think this is instructive.
29:57How much of, let's say, let's pick California, how much of California and what Californians
30:03have to pay for oil and gas in their state is a function of the
30:07policy choices being made in California?
30:09And how would those policy choices differ, say, with Texas or Florida or Tennessee in
30:15terms of just what it costs to drive around in your car every day?
30:19Well, a great example, Clay, with California.
30:23California. But it's easily on any given day, it could be 50 percent.
30:29I mean, it could be double.
30:30I mean, if you're paying, you know, two dollars and forty nine cents in some
30:34other state with common sense policies, we have some place in the country that under
30:38two bucks now for for for regular gas.
30:43California regularly five bucks. You can go to parts of California, Southern California, where it's
30:48over, you know, six or seven.
30:49And then you say, how is that happening?
30:51Well, these policies which are driven by climate extreme is take California.
30:55Right now, California is actually a national security threat, its policies to the whole country
31:01because they have they import two thirds.
31:06Sixty three percent of California's oil is being imported from foreign countries as opposed to
31:11be provided from places, you know, in America by a pipeline.
31:15So by ship, the number one country that's importing into California right now is Iraq.
31:20They're importing that oil. They used to have 40 refineries.
31:24Now they've got eight. Two of the eight Chevron and Valero have announced plans to
31:29close. So they're going down to six refineries.
31:32So now I'm shipping my oil in from Iraq around the world, paying for that
31:36transportation to get it here.
31:38And then when it gets here now, I can't find a refinery because they've shut
31:42they're shutting down and choking refineries with their with their regulations.
31:46This is the state, Clay, that has the most number of internal combustion vehicles in
31:51the country. They have more internal combustion vehicles than any other state even has vehicles.
31:57And they were trying to ban these things.
31:59And they're the number one thing.
32:00So when they say we're going to ban them, they're just driving the cost up
32:03on their consumers, which is why the two things that states the two states like
32:07New York and California, which are poster childs for climate extremist power, they're leading the
32:13nation in out migration. I mean, people can't afford to live there.
32:16And there's a whole wave of of the next generation of industry is going to
32:20be driven by the price of electricity, because you aren't going to build you wouldn't
32:25build a flour mill 100 years ago in some place where wheat costs three times
32:30as much. What you need to manufacture intelligence is you need electricity.
32:34And if electricity costs three times as much if your energy costs for transportation are
32:39double, no one's going to build manufacturing plants there where I got it.
32:44you know, loaded into a truck and paid double for my fuel than I do
32:46in some other state. So not only people are out migrating now, capital is not
32:51flowing into those states. And they used to be like, oh, we're New York.
32:54You know, we're California. It'll just come here.
32:57No, it is reversing out of those two states.
33:00So these policies are going to create a tale of like the tale of two
33:03cities. It's going to be a tale of two approaches.
33:06And, you know, red states with common sense energy policies are beginning to see the
33:11benefits right now in terms of the of growth and low energy costs and capital
33:17investment. I know it's early in 2026, but you have a great background in business
33:22in addition to running much of American energy policy right now.
33:26What do you think the GDP is going to look like in 2026 as the
33:31economic policies of the Trump administration come online?
33:35What should we expect? Well, I think you're going to see numbers that we've not
33:40seen before. Many people in their lifetime haven't seen numbers north of five.
33:45And that's possible. We could have been we could have hit there this fall already,
33:49if not for the Schumer shutdown in D .C., where you shut down the government
33:53for 40 plus days. You know, that's an impact.
33:57But when you lower taxes and lower regulation and then and then speed up permitting,
34:02I mean, people don't talk about permitting.
34:04There's a trillion and a half dollars with a T that's been approved by boards
34:09of directors, by companies, by small businesses that said, I want to invest this capital
34:14in America to a project that's going to help move things forward and they can't
34:19get their permits done. So we've got this like giant logjam of capital that could
34:23also flow into the flow into the economy in the terms of capital investment, you
34:29know, meaning new factories, new infrastructure, things that we need that benefit and raise the
34:33productivity of everybody. That. So anyway, I'm expecting the numbers to be big.
34:38But then when they come, it's just going to be like your gas prices.
34:41The GDP in some states, you know, could be seven, you know, six, seven, eight.
34:47And then you're going to have places like New York and California where it might
34:50be two percent because because of their high their high energy costs, high energy costs,
34:56slow down economic growth. So, you know, when we say the GDP of the country,
35:00it's an average of the whole country.
35:01Again, individual results may vary.
35:03Check your zip code, move to a place where they've got common sense policies.
35:07No doubt. We appreciate all the work.
35:09Look forward to talking to you again down the line.
35:12And thanks for the time today.
35:13Well, and I don't want to impose, but we got one thing on sports.
35:17I'm not a Seattle Seahawks fan nor a Patriots fan.
35:20I grew up in eastern North Dakota where we were had to suffer through the
35:23trauma of the Vikings losing four Super Bowls and quick succession.
35:27But there were two North Dakota State University recent graduates on that offensive line of
35:33Seattle opening it up for Walker to be the MVP.
35:37And, you know, shout out, shout out to those Bison for the great job up
35:41front. No doubt. Didn't the Bison just announce that they're joining a new conference, if
35:45I'm not mistaken, for going forward?
35:49I think they're going to be stepping up play a little bit, if I'm not
35:51mistaken, have been very successful over the years with North Dakota State.
35:55Well, yes. You know, with the 11 championships in the last 15 years in FCS,
36:02they're moving up to FBS and they're joining the Mountain West.
36:04It was announced today, I think, officially, rumored yesterday.
36:09But, you know, here we go.
36:11So it's going to be fun traveling to Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, San Jose State,
36:17and many more. I think it's going to be a great step up, great conference,
36:22and some new rivalries to be established.
36:25No doubt. It's going to be fun to watch.
36:27Appreciate the time. Okay. Thank you, Clay.
36:30Thank you, Buck. Thank you.
36:32That is Secretary of the Interior, Doug Burke.
36:34Great guy. I had a breakfast with him recently out here in Nashville.
36:38Really, really impressed. All right.
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