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0:14everything and nothing all at the same time i was just explaining all the shit

0:18that's on this desk it's like everybody likes to give me something that sits here

0:23which is kind of cool like uh ed calderon gave me this it's like a

0:28wd -40 with a lighter attached to it you can fucking blast people is it

0:34like a self -defense i don't he's always got these things like cartel things that

0:39looks like the cartel 3d printed yeah yeah i think it is yeah that's cool

0:43yeah i mean it's a portable flame drawer holy shit from two common items and

0:51then um i think it was luke caverns gave me this is that who gave

0:54me this the the olmec head it's from the olmecs oh is that what it

0:59is yeah and then of course my man john reeves has always given me these

1:04mammoth things i got mammoth this is actually from colossal but he gave me a

1:091911 handle that's legit yeah even though do you have any 1911s no yeah i

1:16got 2011s yeah of course it's a it's a huge upgrade yeah but you know

1:21i'm sure it'll probably be able to fit like you bring it to a gunsmith

1:25it can make it yeah well you know what you could do you could have

1:28a make one for your bow so you could put the the bone on each

1:32side of your bow oh i have that you have it yeah from uh rattler

1:35grip yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this is another piece shout out to handsome rob

1:40in rattler grip grips he always hooks me up gives me those uh keep hammering

1:43ones yeah those are cool yeah it feels better too feels better in the hand

1:48it's interesting like hoyt doesn't have a whole lot of options like ultra view doesn't

1:52make their their handles for hoyt but they make them for uh matthews yeah he

1:56shoots matthews but it's a nice handle upgrade it really does like the way it

2:00sits in your hand it really does feel like a little better are you still

2:05are you still putting them on your your hoyt for everyone the rattler grip you

2:09do yeah yeah yeah he just sent me some new ones it feels better and

2:14the bone there's something about the bone it's more tactile in your hand than plastic

2:18well i've been wrapping mine with that camouflage athletic tape oh really yeah bomar sells

2:23stuff like that he sells specific bow grip right it's got a little bit of

2:27tackiness to it but some people think you shouldn't have that they think your hand

2:30should be so relaxed that it should be able to slip around your hand so

2:34there's like no torque whatsoever in your front hand i don't like that i like

2:37to feel i like to feel the the uh dexterity of it right i like

2:41to have a little bit of relief in the hand in the context of like

2:47i gotta have some grippiness to it just like a baseball bat or any other

2:50things any even all of the like glocks and 2011s i'll still do an upgrade

2:56on the stippling and yeah a bit more but i've also got giant hands for

3:00a a well i shouldn't be i shouldn't say i'm small like i am two

3:05inches taller than the average asian woman so i i don't like to brag about

3:09it i don't want to come out with that right away it just might seem

3:11a little bit egotistical yeah but if you um if you do anything i think

3:16it's just like whether it's with archery or anything with shooting you just it just

3:21has to register with you it's not it's not going to be the same with

3:25everybody you know i know dudes who just can't get used to finger triggers and

3:30that's so that some dudes just love finger triggers and some guys just have to

3:34shoot a hinge and some guys just can't do it i i shoot them all

3:38man yeah like i just have so i got that that dump bag now that

3:42i'll basically i'll wear on the side and then i'll do the the hinge roulette

3:47so i'll just like reach in there reach in and then i gotta shoot a

3:50hinge or i gotta shoot this and the only way that's that you don't or

3:54that the mix -up part you've got to shoot the wrist strap right you have

3:58to put that on so yeah you can't just do shooter roulette with all of

4:02that but that's the the wrist straps a little bit more involved but i love

4:06having i've been using the wise guy i've been yeah ever since our last hunt

4:10i've been only using the wise guy and i'm used to it now it took

4:14it took a while i was like hammering the trigger for a little bit like

4:17after the thing is it's like with archery once your form breaks down and then

4:23you try to compensate because you're tired like i think i should just limit myself

4:28to one hour and after one hour just stop so is that what you're doing

4:33every day is basically an hour yeah a little bit more a little yeah but

4:37it's when it's more it's when things go sideways like i'll give myself like a

4:42few minutes break to let my arm relax and then i just i'm just it's

4:47too much compensating because my arm's tired right and not enough especially because the bow's

4:5284 now i got the new one that's 90 pounds is that what you're shooting

4:55every day yeah you're shooting 90 pounds 84 every day yeah i haven't i haven't

4:59set up the 90 yet it's still archery country and then do you are you

5:03going out to 100 plus every day too or are you sticking 85 85 it's

5:07my standard in my backyard as long as there's no no one wandering around when

5:12people are wandering around i tend to i got you know like this landscaper's i

5:17i don't do the long bomb i i've got my uh my wife is redoing

5:23this uh little garden house in the back so she won't let me shoot at

5:27it anymore because she's afraid i'm gonna put an arrow through her little hut that

5:30she's making she's she's actually doing all the work too she's got like a tool

5:33belt on and she's out there hammering away oh that's great doors in and everything

5:37she's doing all the work wow so she's like you can no longer use this

5:40as your backstop because it was just a pile of shit that i could basically

5:43shoot arrows that's a bad trade it's a super bad trade yeah i need a

5:47backstop you gotta fuck off like we were talking about like must -haves for backyards

5:52like i gotta i'm not living in a house where i can't shoot at least

5:5550 yards no i go out in the backyard i get my range finder i

5:59bring a range finder when i look at houses no bullshit are you serious 100

6:03i've been doing it for the last like six seven years before i bought this

6:07house and when i bought the house in austin is big yard.

6:10I'm like, we're good. I just had to find a spot.

6:12I was like, this is at least a hundred yards from here to here.

6:14Have you ever punched the trigger and put one out in the river?

6:19I guess you shouldn't tell me that.

6:21No, I never shoot towards the river because kayakers, you never know when some, because

6:26like the kayakers, they like to go like real close to the shore.

6:30And it's like, if you hear, fuck, that would suck.

6:37Oh my God, I'd be in such deep shit.

6:39I would never do it.

6:41I wouldn't, I just wouldn't.

6:43Yeah. Deep shit. Deepest of deep shit.

6:45An asshole like me who's always promoting archery.

6:48I shoot a kayaker with a field tip right through the fucking forehead.

6:53See some poor lady. Like a unicorn running through, running off the river.

6:59Oh God. Oh my God.

7:02I very rarely, I mean, if I'm shooting broadheads, I really know where I'm going.

7:06I don't, I don't fuck around, but with field tips, I'll, I'll launch some bombs,

7:11but it's never in an area where there's anything behind me.

7:14No, I don't. It's too risky.

7:17I had, so I had an archery, little archery range in the back of my

7:20Salt Lake City building and every, like, and I used to let everybody use it

7:26in the company. And then after you've worked for the company for a while, you'd

7:29get your choice. You'd get like a staccato or a rifle or a bow.

7:34And then we were doing, we still do, right?

7:36We still do a lot of better and adaptive athlete shoots and the tactical or

7:39tactical games and the total archery challenges.

7:42So I've given away a hundred bows probably.

7:45Oh, that's awesome. Company. Do you let them pick their brand and the whole deal?

7:49No, no, no. We partner, we partnered with Hoyt on the last batch and then

7:53we partnered with PSE. We partnered with kind of anybody that wants to like go

7:57in 50, 50 on us.

7:58Right. Oh, great. That's awesome.

8:01But then we'll make them black rifle custom, right?

8:03So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on it.

8:07But here's the downside of that.

8:09So when you got a bunch of people shooting in the back and I had

8:12a storage facility in the back, there were always arrows in this like storage.

8:16And so finally my, my, uh, our general counsel came to me.

8:20He's like, no more. You got to stop.

8:22You can't shoot any more arrows.

8:24So a bandit for everybody except for me, me, Logan, you know, Matt, basically the

8:31people that could have either absorbed the legal fees or at least like explain it

8:34away. Well, the thing about archery is it's such a, it's, it's a skill that

8:40100 % degrades. Yeah. Like you have to stay on it and you just can't

8:44trust that everyone's staying on it.

8:46No. It's, it's even hard for me if I take three weeks off or I

8:52was, I was having that, um, a little bit of tendonitis in my left elbow.

8:56So I took like a month off after running season and like you put it

9:00back in your hand and it feels almost like a foreign object.

9:04It feels horrible. It's, it's just gross until you have at least three or four

9:10days of shooting consistently back into the groove.

9:13You can't put the arrow where you want.

9:16It's just three weeks off.

9:18And it feels to me like the more consistent I am in off season, like

9:23the entire year, that's the, those are the years that I, where I'm really shooting

9:28my best. You can't just get back on the bow like a month before you

9:33have to go hunt. You can't do it.

9:35I can't. I know guys that can, guys that I grew up with that have

9:39been shooting since they were nine.

9:41That's right. But they're really good shots.

9:43Imagine how good they would be if they did it all the time.

9:45Yeah. Like a guy like Cam, like he's not taking any time off.

9:49No. He's shooting every day.

9:51But that's part, he, he, he takes pleasure in the pain too.

9:54He doesn't take time off because he's.

9:57That would be relaxing. Yeah, it'd be relaxing.

9:59Like imagine, just, just imagine that like Cam Haynes on vacation, his feet up, you

10:05know, drinking on the beach.

10:06Is that even like a, no, it's not even a thing.

10:09I've gone on vacation with him.

10:10Have you really? Yeah. But when we went vacationing in, uh, Lanai where we could

10:14bow hunt. Yeah, yeah. So we would bow hunt at least once a day because

10:18Lanai, you know, you've been, you've been, it's crazy.

10:21It's one of the craziest places on earth.

10:22It's great. For people that don't know, there's 3000 people and 30 ,000 deer.

10:26Yeah. And they were given, uh, by, uh, King Kamehameha, to King Kamehameha by the,

10:32um, whoever the head dude was in India.

10:35He's like, uh, gave him a gift of access.

10:37Is that where they came from?

10:38I didn't realize that, that, that was the actual timeline.

10:42Yeah. I didn't realize that.

10:43Yeah. And they're everywhere. They tried, they, they tried to reintroduce them, try to introduce

10:48them to the big Island.

10:49Like I know Shane Dorian was all pumped about it, but then they eradicated them.

10:53People killed them. They said they were invasive, but I think they need to be

10:56everywhere. They can be. They're delicious.

10:58They're delicious. They're the most delicious meat.

11:01Of the deer. Of course.

11:02Yeah. Next to elk. It's like, it's for me, it's elk and then axis, but

11:06axis are the most challenging to hunt.

11:08They're the fastest things I've ever seen in my life.

11:10Yeah. They move so fast.

11:11It doesn't even make sense.

11:12It's like, how are you doing that?

11:14You could dodge an arrow from 30 yards away and the arrow's not even close

11:18to them when it, when it gets there.

11:19I had a female bedded at 30 and she jumped the string on her bed

11:25at 30 yards. That was my first shot.

11:28I realized, holy shit. Yeah.

11:31They're different. I've got to up my game.

11:33Well, it's like they evolved with tigers.

11:35Tigers. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's the thing.

11:37It's like, you got to be able to go.

11:38You want to survive. Can you imagine how tough you would be if you get

11:41involved with tigers? That would be sick.

11:44Yeah. Well, that's the problem with America, period.

11:47It's like, there's not enough.

11:50There's too many people running around with zero physical challenges and they're so soft.

11:57Like there's a giant percentage of our population that is so soft.

12:02And if like, if there was like a, if the world went nuclear, we lost

12:07everything. And then it was like hand to hand battles.

12:11Every country could invade America.

12:13Every hand of bullets. Once we run out of bullets, every country can fuck us

12:17up. Yeah. Right. You can walk around.

12:19I think, well, that's, you know, with coffee, right?

12:22The best coffee shops are like it's so much.

12:24stuff on instagram it's so funny because you walk into a coffee shop and if

12:28you see the craziest looking freak it's going to have the best coffee left wing

12:37weirdo fucking lip rings oh yeah how many nose rings do you have how like

12:43how many colors do you have in your hair and how many pronouns do you

12:45have because that's like you're gonna make the greatest espresso i've ever had and that's

12:52the joke right because i'll go cruise around like in austin for the last couple

12:56weeks yeah you see a dude who's jacked with a hand tattoo he's gonna make

12:59you a bullshit coffee it's like i can make you pour over i mean i

13:02can just pour it over you know like what he'll make you some cowboy coffee

13:07he's gonna fucking one of them tin pots you put on the fire take his

13:10sock off or something like i i'm good i'm all set man yeah i'm all

13:15set yeah what is it about baristas like how did that become such a left

13:21wing safe place i you know i don't know i think i think the origin

13:26of it comes from san francisco seattle right all the uh we'll say the left

13:31wing left coast all of the woke us yeah because that also drove most of

13:39what i would say is the third and fourth wave because there's one two three

13:42four basic waves in coffee before third and fourth wave are the most recent fourth

13:48wave would be considered single origin very lightly roast coffees and you've been to these

13:54coffee shops you know what they look like it takes you 15 minutes to go

13:58get a cup of coffee they typically won't even talk to you they look down

14:03at the computer screen but it's going to be decent cop right so if you

14:07go first wave which is going to be folgers maxwell house that's like been around

14:11for 100 years that's a commodity coffee it's going to have robusta it's going to

14:15be darker roasted that's going to be first wave and then uh second wave would

14:21be experiential so it'd be more like starbucks kind of second wave would be experiential

14:26dark and then third wave would be more artisan micro lot single origin and fourth

14:32wave is kind of a mix of the the best in third wave that really

14:40activates your senses in the sense of like now they're doing anaerobics so they're using

14:45things from like wine and beer and they're developing all these different profiles but that

14:50artisan craft the genesis and like san francisco and seattle from third wave they took

14:56on identity politics and then drove it through the trade it's pretty impressive so it's

15:03so weird because if you go anywhere you can get amazing cups of coffee you're

15:07just going to like wade through the wokeism to go get it yeah i can't

15:11go there no i was at a starbucks the other day and two lesbians walked

15:15in they saw me and they left what that's how bad it said we can't

15:21we can't do this seriously they looked in my face and they said we can't

15:25do this and they left i was like i'm a big fan yeah big fan

15:28of your work i had a cup of coffee from starbucks which i rarely go

15:34into but uh was up to my family and it was so bad a cup

15:38of black coffee it's all a drink i don't put anything in it i was

15:41like this is like not drinkable it tastes like shit which is like everybody throws

15:46a bunch of cream in there and a bunch of sugar in there and you

15:49get your caffeine and it tastes like what you like but when if you just

15:53try to just drink coffee at starbucks it is such a bad product and that's

15:58that doesn't have to be like that well it's part of the problem is is

16:03it's burnt over roasted yeah because they know it's going to have cream and sugar

16:07in it and but why over roast it then because you can make a consistent

16:12profile and it's just consistently very dark and extremely acidic basically and that becomes the

16:21consistency in the product do you think people have this thing in their head that

16:25the darker the coffee is the stronger it is yeah of course that's one of

16:28the huge misconceptions right so like it it's just bucket the misconceptions in here which

16:33is you know coffee is not a bean it's a fruit so it's a cherry

16:36and then you roast the pit so the second one would probably be um the

16:41darker you roast something the more caffeine it's going to have which is absolutely not

16:45the case it's the opposite it's completely opposite because you got two genetic strains you've

16:51got robusta and arabica robusta is smaller bean it's got more caffeine it's also more

16:56bitter arabica probably constitutes probably 60 to 70 percent of the world's coffee but it's

17:03more flavor it's got less uh caffeine and it's less acidic in general and then

17:08when you over roast it you can kind of combine multiple lots multiple variants of

17:16arabica oh i see and then you can consistent you can make this consistent profile

17:20so it consistently sucks yeah yeah yeah but if you're going to put cream and

17:24sugar in it yeah nobody cares because they're like i just need something that's going

17:30to serve as a caffeine uh vehicle for my cream and sugar i know but

17:34wouldn't that be okay if you just had good coffee and did that and oh

17:38yeah burn it well i do i i think that's where third third wave and

17:43fourth wave it's more directly related to the quality of the coffee it's no cream

17:50no sugar and it's more first and second wave it's cream and sugar because you're

17:56gonna have to cover up the inconsistencies well some people just like it anyway because

18:00what they're getting is a treat it's not they're not thinking it was like i'm

18:03drinking coffee like they're getting a treat right like if you have order a frappuccino

18:08it's a milkshake it's a milkshake yeah yeah there's tons of sugar yeah tons of

18:12caffeine too you're like sitting in your cubicle you got like 100 grams of sugar

18:18200 milligrams of caffeine you're like you're you're skyrocketing with just energy until you crash

18:25and then you need another one yeah and then you're just doing that all day

18:27and frying your central nervous system and then when you get out of work you

18:30just die you just go home and go home and melt on the couch and

18:34watch some sports man yeah your insulin's all fucked up you're falling sleep the coffee

18:41the coffee nerd conversations just put half the fucking audience to sleep too i don't

18:46care i don't care yeah yeah it's so funny man i'll start talking about it

18:52i'm like i should not because i was a comms guy that back in in

18:58my previous profession my previous life and it's so funny because when you talk about

19:03communications and just technology in general and you start analyzing like you know frequencies and

19:09and uh spectrum analyzers or whatever whatever you want to talk about people's eyes would

19:14just glaze over in the team room and i'm like all right well you guys

19:18want to go blow some shit up like why don't we shift the topic because

19:21you guys don't want to talk about this i know you don't want to hear

19:24about it so in cross training it's just you try to keep people awake basically

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20:23that have a hard time focusing on something that isn't exciting oh yeah for whatever

20:28reason even if it's like important technical details that'll help you do things that are

20:33exciting you know it's it's the delayed gratification right they're the same type of people

20:37that don't like to do cold plunges or don't like to do certain things that

20:41like you're not going to feel an immediate benefit it's going to suck while you're

20:45doing it so you put it off like you gotta you've got to have a

20:48mindset that there's some things that suck that will make the things that are exciting

20:52way better yeah like for comics it's writing like sitting down and writing you know

20:57because a lot of comics don't want to write they just want to come out

21:00with ideas through the day and then work them out on stage i'm like that

21:02is great you can do that but you should also write because the ideas that

21:07come to you while you're writing they won't come any other way and those are

21:10like little gifts from the universe and you the only way you get them is

21:13you got to sit down with a fucking pad of paper or a computer in

21:16front of you and come up with them you got to sit down and start

21:19working and let the mind just just slowly but surely pop them out how how

21:25often do you do that at least four days a week for hour two hours

21:30yeah at least at least an hour i try to write a thousand words so

21:35it might be an hour it might be two hours and then out of those

21:38thousand words i might get a paragraph like there it is right that's what i

21:42was looking for you're basically looking for arrowheads in a field you know you're picking

21:46up a giant clump of dirt and you're shaking it out and washing it over

21:49and ah got one so do you try that out on anybody before you actually

21:54no you just like okay this is the i'm pretty sure i got something when

21:58i got something i'm pretty sure i got it but i don't know what it's

22:01going to be until the audience tells me like when you have your own club

22:04so you can just try it out you just like drive in matt's wednesday let

22:08me try this out when i didn't i would go to the store i would

22:10go to the like say if i have a bit and it's exciting i'm like

22:13oh i wrote something that's good i would go to the improv and then i'd

22:16go to the store and maybe i go to the ice house right i bang

22:19out a few sets at least two in a night some you know you could

22:23travel around like la was really good for that austin's amazing for that there's seven

22:27clubs on my street now what oh yeah between my street and the neighboring streets

22:32so you got us and then right down the street is the sunset room which

22:37red band owns and then right up across from that you got creek in the

22:40cave which is awesome and then you got the vulcan which is right down the

22:43street and there's a bunch of other small rooms there's the black rabbit there's all

22:47these rooms that have comedy at least three or four nights a week so if

22:50you're like a guy or a girl coming up right now in austin you can

22:54really work you could work and they're all paying so you're you know you're collecting

22:5850 bucks here my club pays more my club plays the most but all these

23:02different places they pay you know like actual money for you to do a set

23:06at the end of the night you got a few hundred bucks you can get

23:09something to eat like there's all these comics that don't have to do the road

23:12now right so like they used to just have to do the road to pay

23:14their rent and for food you don't have to do that anymore you could like

23:17stay in town and really build up material and then go out on the road

23:22is the material going to shift i know it's like regionally you've got to have

23:27your i'm not saying like left or right i'm just saying does the material have

23:31to shift based on where you're at so if you're in la is the crowd

23:35a little bit different the people are going to be more accepting less accepting expect

23:39something a little bit different you can't think of that you can't you just like

23:43here's the joke yeah let me run it well the good thing is if they're

23:46not accepting of an idea maybe you should re -examine that idea and maybe figure

23:51out like why am i maybe i should figure out a better way to make

23:55this idea acceptable you know because there's ideas where i'll start it off and it's

24:01just like oh this isn't going anywhere and then i'm like there's got to be

24:04an angle in here and then i'll find a whole nother angle i'm like ha

24:07ha now i have it and then i have to find an angle like what

24:10if i was a woman and i was watching this and i'm looking at this

24:13fucking meathead on stage and i'm like okay like i gotta figure out a way

24:17to get them to understand that just because i look like this doesn't mean i'm

24:21a bad guy like like let me like work this into your head first and

24:25then explain it from my perspective it's funny because i look like this it doesn't

24:30mean i'm a bad guy it's an automatic assumption yeah you know i mean it's

24:35an untold prejudice that like men with muscles in particular are assholes right like instantly

24:41yeah you're you've got a you've got a very definitive look and then as soon

24:46as you open your mouth they're assuming that you're going to be just the yeah

24:49complete asshole right yeah i can see a mean person You know, covered in tattoos,

24:55cage -fighting commentary. I know that you can craft a joke because you've been doing

25:01this for forever, but is there a certain amount of pleasure that you get now

25:05from bombing sometimes? Smoking in?

25:10Terrible. Really? I always say bombing on stage is like sucking a thousand dicks in

25:14front of your mother. But the difference is, like, there's probably a guy out there

25:17that likes sucking a thousand dicks in front of his mother.

25:20You made me do this, Mom.

25:21Come on, Mom. I'm 99.

25:24There's a guy out there that would, like, take some—I mean, these people are into

25:28shit porn and all kinds of nuts and things.

25:32You're drawing the same parallel to, like, bombing and people are into shit porn.

25:36Yeah, if you like bombing, you're into people shitting in your mouth.

25:40It's not fun. You don't want people to have a bad time.

25:43They're there to have fun.

25:44These people work. They're working all day.

25:46They're fucking tired. You want them to have a good -ass time.

25:49And the only way for them to have a good -ass time is for you

25:52to do your job. Right.

25:54You know, but it's—it has to sometimes not work well.

25:59And there's, like, this moment when I'm about to do a new bit.

26:02I'm like, God, I don't even want to do this.

26:03I don't know where this goes.

26:05But I have to. You got to trot it out there and hope that you

26:08could find an angle. So you don't try those on your—like, with your wife or

26:13anything? No, she'd be the worst.

26:15Yeah? She'd be the worst.

26:16She'd just tear you down?

26:17She'd just stare at me like, what is wrong with you?

26:23It's like she and I have a very good balance because she's so different than

26:27me. She's so—but has a lot of the same values as me.

26:31Yeah. You know, like discipline, and she's very smart, and she's interested in things.

26:35But we're very different. Well, it's so funny because my wife and I will walk

26:41around, right? And I'm a very amateur comedian to surround my friends.

26:45I try to—I try really hard, right?

26:46I'm not even close. I'm just, like, you know, I specialize in stupid shit that

26:50I say. Right. Basically, that's where I'm going with this.

26:53And she—when I get her to laugh, that's, like, that means way more to me

26:59than— But my friends, sure, I can make them laugh.

27:03Like, I can make my employees laugh.

27:04I kind of pay them to.

27:05You know? But, like, when my wife laughs, that means it's fucking funny.

27:09That's legit. Like, it means—it means something, right?

27:12Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, like, it's legit.

27:13She's, like, a one -person crowd, right?

27:15So we were walking around.

27:16I was talking about—have you seen that Bert Kreicher, Free Bert?

27:20Have you seen his new series?

27:21I've only seen trailers, but everybody that saw it loves it.

27:24It's really funny, man. Like, and so I was like, we should watch this.

27:28You should check it out.

27:29You should watch it, like, five minutes.

27:30She's like, this is such a dude show.

27:32Fuck you. I've never watched it.

27:35But it's the same. It's, like, what I want to watch and I think is

27:38funny. She's, like, absolutely not.

27:40But then she wants to watch some, like, true crime thing around, you know, a

27:45dude that killed his wife.

27:46And I'm like, they love it.

27:48Why do they love that?

27:50It's so weird. It's, like, genetic that they love it because my kids love those

27:54shows. They love serial killer expose shows and all these true crimes.

28:00And I don't like any of that.

28:01I was talking to my daughter about it and she said, because girls don't do

28:05things like this, so we kind of want to see, like, what's going on in

28:09a man's mind that makes him, it's such a mystery.

28:13You know what I'm saying?

28:14Like, it's such a mystery.

28:16Like, most men can imagine a scenario where there's a bunch of people that did

28:21some horrible shit in a room and you just go in there and fucking kill

28:27all of them. Most men, most men can say, oh, yeah, there's a place.

28:31There's a place. Like, if someone did something and I knew they did something and

28:35they're in that room and they need to go, they need to go.

28:38Most women can't think like that.

28:40They don't think like that.

28:41It's not inside their head.

28:42And then there's the darkness of it.

28:44Like, these aren't men that are doing something to someone who deserves it.

28:47They're just doing it to vulnerable people.

28:49They're just evil creatures who just want to go out and hunt vulnerable people.

28:55And I think women want to know that there are men like that out there

28:59that are so different than them so they can put it in their head.

29:03Like, okay, serial killers are real.

29:06Like, these true crime shows have showed me this and I want to know, like,

29:10what to look for. Right.

29:12That's what I think. Whereas, have you ever spent a second of your life in

29:16fear or fearing a serial killer?

29:19Not really. No. No. It's not a realistic fear.

29:22But if I was at a truck stop and there was some fucking shady dude

29:27that came into the bathroom after me and he was, like, waiting outside and it

29:31didn't look like he needed to use the bathroom, I'd be 100 % on guard.

29:34Like, there's people that will just randomly kill people just for a thrill and get

29:40away with it. And I think there's way more of them getting away with it

29:44than they'd like us to know.

29:45Like, here's a good example.

29:48In Austin, what is the actual number of people who have bodies that have been

29:56found in Lady... Put this into our wonderful sponsor, Perplexity, before it becomes the digital

30:01god that takes over the universe, this AI.

30:04What are the numbers of people that have been found drowned in Lady Bird Lake

30:10over the last three years?

30:12It's something crazy. Is it really?

30:15Yeah, it's like 30. I thought this was just a funny joke for Tony to

30:18talk about. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

30:21no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

30:21It's real. Right. It's real.

30:23So the cops don't want to say it's a serial killer.

30:25They think there's... It's because it's over by Rainy Street.

30:27A lot of people are partying.

30:29But there's... The bodies keep piling up.

30:3238. What? Yeah. And they want to say it's not a serial killer?

30:35Since 2022, data showing at least 38 bodies found in or around Lady Bird Lake.

30:45Separate map -based analysis of Lady Bird Lake deaths, downtown area reports, four deaths in

30:522022, five in 2023, five in 2024, two in 2025.

30:59So this is downtown area.

31:03These map numbers focus on a specific stretch of the lake, while the 38 body

31:07figures cover... There's all bodies found in or around the lake in that period.

31:11These might be right near that bar area on Rainey Street.

31:12Right, right on Rainey Street, yeah.

31:15Or other parts of the lake.

31:17So they're basically saying these guys get drunk and they end up passing out in

31:23the water. I mean, all you would have to do is get someone drunk enough

31:29where you could hold them underwater.

31:30Yeah. It's not, I mean, if you were a guy who wasn't drinking or you

31:33had a really good tolerance or you're a big person, no evidence of serial murderer,

31:39says the patterns match typical accidental drowning risks, young adult men, nightlife, easy water access.

31:49Or some guy was drowning gay guys.

31:51Could be. Because a lot of them are gay.

31:53Like a giant percentage of these guys are gay.

31:55Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's near a gay area.

31:57Oh, okay. Rainey Street is like the party area where there's a lot of gay

32:00bars. Got it. That's why it's such a funny joke for Tony.

32:04Yeah. Well, it's a weird thing, man.

32:07It's a weird thing because at what point in time does someone have to get

32:10caught before they say, oh, Jesus, these weren't just a coincidence.

32:15Someone was drowning people. Because I don't think it was a common thing.

32:19I think like, you know, you maybe get one a year.

32:22Some fucking drunk hops off a boat and doesn't know what he's doing and drowns.

32:25That does happen. But this is not that.

32:28This is way more. 38 bodies in a few years is kind of kooky.

32:32Well, and how many of those, if you think about it, right, how many serial

32:36killers are out there? Because the FBI, obviously, they've done the analysis on it.

32:40There's probably like 100, 200, 300 active serial killers at any point in time.

32:46Always. There's always, yeah. Always has been.

32:49And most of them will all say, yeah, I wanted to get caught.

32:53Or, yeah, it took you long enough.

32:54Right. I was getting sloppy, right?

32:56My murder lust took over.

32:58There was 200 since 2004.

33:00Oh, my gosh. What? Oh, my God.

33:08Autopsy report found alcohol present in a large share of the cases, sometimes at levels

33:12above the legal driving limit, which is not much, by the way.

33:15The legal driving limit is like two drinks.

33:17And police specifically describe most rainy street area drownings as alcohol or drug related.

33:24I've heard people getting, you know, dosed.

33:26They get, like, roofied and whatnot.

33:28And they're like, I've heard a lot, too many cases.

33:30Never in a city have I lived, I've heard that many people saying they've been

33:33roofied. Yeah. No, I think it's, I don't think it's specific to here.

33:39I think it's everywhere. It's GHB, I think, is a lot of it.

33:42People are dosing people up with GHB.

33:45That's a big one. How many serial killers are there?

33:48Yeah. How many active serial killers do they estimate are in America right now?

33:54Let's guess. I'm going to say 10.

33:57You think 10? Yeah. I think 100.

33:59Whoa. Yeah. I'm going 100.

34:01This is like a Wheel of Fortune type scenario.

34:03Yeah, man. Holy shit. 100's nuts.

34:06If it's 100. I think it's 100.

34:08That's crazy. 300. Huh? 25 to 50 at any given time.

34:16Wow. Okay. Wow. Range reflects killers who have committed at least two murders with a

34:22cooling off period and are still operating undetected.

34:25I like the cooling off period.

34:27Yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm going to take a break.

34:29Scrubbing the fucking blood out of the inside of your fingernails.

34:33Right. Serial killings make up less than 1 % of U .S.

34:35homicides overall. Numbers peaked at around 300 in the 1970s and 1980s.

34:40There was 300 active serial killers in the 70s and the 80s.

34:44I bet that was because that was when it was like Son of Sam, you

34:49know. It was like Trendy?

34:50Yeah. Yeah. I think it was probably a lot of bored dudes who just didn't

34:53like working in an office.

34:55It's like Ted Bundy and Son of Sam.

34:57All those guys were like the Green River.

34:59All over the news. All over the news.

35:01Yeah. It was huge. Why are there fewer serial killers now than there used to

35:06be? What was the answer?

35:09That's probably just because it's easier to get caught now.

35:11People are probably more afraid to try.

35:13Yeah, because you think about all the technology and the surveillance.

35:16Like you get rolled up.

35:17Yeah. You get a... I think the creepiest one was that dude who studied serial

35:23killers in college and then went and killed those girls at that dorm house.

35:27You know that story? Was that in Seattle?

35:30I think it was Bundy.

35:32Yeah, it was Ted Bundy, right?

35:33No, no, no. Recent one.

35:34Oh, it was recent. Recent, yeah.

35:36He knew the people that lived there.

35:39He studied... What did he study exactly?

35:43In college. Like he was studying it like he was trying to learn how to

35:46not get caught. Yeah, this guy.

35:48This fucking creep. Whoa. Horrific new details about the final moments of the four University

35:53of Idaho stabbing victims. Oh, gosh.

35:56So that's where I'm to school.

35:57That's the University of Idaho.

35:58He stabbed the four victims at least 150 times in total.

36:02I didn't realize that was like the case from Moscow.

36:06Yeah. That's crazy. Jesus Christ.

36:08Yeah. This sick fuck. So this guy, he was studying it in college.

36:14So I forget what criminal justice...

36:18I just thought I would say it.

36:19Let's see if we can find out.

36:21But it was very clear that he had been planning this a long time.

36:25And there was also a possible connection to him and some murders from the Pacific

36:30Northwest that they... He knew the people...

36:33The people died in a kind of a similar way.

36:34He might have gotten away with it up there.

36:36Right. So he tried it up there and then went to Idaho.

36:40So he's a PhD criminology student.

36:42Oh, my gosh. Well, that makes sense.

36:44It does, right? Yeah. So he's educating himself on how to get away with it.

36:48He was that guy that if you had your comms class, he'd be sitting there

36:52like this. He's like way into it.

36:55Yeah, way into it. Yeah, yeah.

36:56Way into it. Oh, okay.

36:57Yeah. Yeah. He wanted to know all the details.

36:59The Pacific Northwest is like, that's a spot.

37:01These guys love it up there.

37:03I don't know if it's like the rain, you know?

37:05Well, we had a lady that was connecting it.

37:07She came on the podcast and she was connecting a bunch of serial killers from

37:11a very specific area that did a lot of, it was mining, right?

37:16Wasn't it mining and the industrial pollution?

37:19Oh, so it was like increased.

37:21Uh -huh. Creased lead or something, right, in the water or something?

37:24What was the processing of it?

37:29Like, what are those when they're burning it?

37:32Yeah. What's that called? Leaching?

37:35Yeah, it was lead, but it was other stuff.

37:38It was other stuff like there's arsenic in it, and there's a lot of shit.

37:41But what am I looking for?

37:43What is it? Why can't I come up with that term?

37:46The plants where they burn all the shit.

37:49Power plants. What's the term?

37:51God damn it. Caroline Frazier was her name, though.

37:55What's her name? Caroline Frazier.

37:57Yeah, Caroline Frazier. Maybe Paul would know if he got stamets on here, and he

38:01could talk about the mushroom or the fungi in the Pacific Northwest.

38:05Maybe it has something to do with it.

38:06I don't think so. I think that would probably stop him from doing it.

38:09But her take was that there was all these places.

38:13What is the term I'm looking for where they incinerate shit, like a power plant,

38:17like a coal plant? There's a term.

38:19I can't remember what it is.

38:20Anyway, they're releasing an incredible amount of toxins in the atmosphere.

38:26And a lot of the shit is coming down in rain.

38:28It's getting in the ground.

38:29All the ground around there is all polluted.

38:31Everything's polluted. And so what her take is that all these people have suffered chemical

38:37pollution, and a lot of that chemical pollution leads to all sorts of weird psychological

38:42disorders and psychosis and all kinds of shit, depending upon the levels of exposure.

38:47So this is why you have an increase to serial killers in the Pacific Northwest?

38:52This is interesting. Yeah. Yeah, there was a bunch of power plants up there.

38:55Interesting. Coal plants and smelting and, you know, just a lot of mining.

39:00There's a lot of mineral -rich resources up there.

39:03So I should be concerned because I spent the most of my life up there.

39:07Well, half of it, at least.

39:08Yeah. It depends. I think now they've cleaned it up, though.

39:11Like, she was connecting it to a long time ago.

39:13But there's areas back there where she was saying that they do an analysis of

39:18the soil, and it's just completely fucked.

39:20How long has it been since you've done, like, Seattle?

39:23Oh, I haven't been back in a while.

39:25I did the Tacoma Dome with Dave Chappelle.

39:30We did that right before the pandemic popped.

39:33Oh, okay. And I really haven't been back.

39:35It's just like, once that whole Chaz thing went down and they locked off the

39:40block and the mayor said, maybe it's the summer of love.

39:43Oh, or maybe you've got some fucking crazy people that you've empowered to take over

39:48a giant swath of your city, and you're cool with it.

39:51And you're the fucking mayor?

39:52And, by the way, she is an upgrade compared to their current mayor.

39:56Oh, yeah. The current mayor is—that choice is insane.

39:59A woman who's never held a real job.

40:01She's been living with her parents.

40:02She's 40. They pay her bills.

40:05She's a socialist. She rides a bike.

40:07She doesn't even own a car.

40:08And now she's in charge of, what, a $7 billion budget?

40:11That makes sense. Yeah. I—two thumbs up, Seattle.

40:15Good job. You've done a great job.

40:18I don't know where those places go.

40:20Those places that have gone, like, full into Wokeville.

40:24Like, a buddy of mine just went to Portland, and he was like, bro, it's

40:27bananas. It's like a complete mental asylum, like, spilled out onto the streets.

40:32It's not just the campers, not just the open air drug users everywhere, because for

40:38a long time they decriminalized everything in Portland, so everybody ramped it up a notch

40:42and moved to Portland, because that was a place where you could do drugs and

40:45not worry about anything. But he was like, all the regular people are cracked.

40:51The place, like, spending as much time as I have in Seattle, which I used

40:55to live there, I loved that city.

40:56Late 90s, loved it. Oh, it was fucking great.

40:59It was one of my favorite places to visit.

41:00Such a cool spot. Cool people.

41:02And then you saw this flip, and it was right around 2010 is when things

41:06really flipped over, and to your point, they had your car was your domicile, so

41:12you couldn't get a parking ticket.

41:14So you could basically live in front of somebody's house in a parking spot, and

41:18they couldn't ride a parking ticket.

41:19That started in 2010? Give or take a couple years.

41:22And so I went back to my, I had a house up there for a

41:27while, and the week, the day, I decided that I was going to sell this

41:31place. Like, we fly up there, I've got my daughter, she's like a year old,

41:35my wife and I are walking down the street, and this is a part of

41:38the city, it's called Ballard, which is a beautiful part of the city, tons of,

41:42like, old bars, awesome place, back late 90s, early 2000.

41:47But then, there was a camper in front of my condo, and then there was

41:51a naked man with a tennis racket, with his, my daughter's a year old, his

41:57dick's flying around, and my one -year -old's, like, I'm holding her, like, walking away

42:02from the other end. He's got a tennis racket, he's, like, planting the U .S.

42:05Open in his head, whatever he's doing.

42:06And then, on the corner, no less than 50 feet away, there was a half

42:12-naked lady, like, taking a shit.

42:14And you're like, nah, time to leave.

42:16I think this is, I think we're all good here.

42:18We had an issue like that in California for a while, where when the economy

42:23started to go south, now this is pre -pandemic as well, we started having these

42:27campers camp out right in front of our studio, and they would, the studio where

42:33we had in L .A., even in that place, it was the warehouse, we had

42:36a big lawn in front of the warehouse, and these guys would spread out on

42:40the lawn. So they would park their camper there, and then they would, like, cook

42:44out, and they would lay out, and so, like, you're in this building, you're asking

42:48people to walk past these people to go do your podcast in this big -ass

42:52warehouse that I had leased, and I was like, why are you doing this?

42:56Like, you can't be doing this.

42:57No. You can't just use my lawn as your front yard.

43:01Like, this is crazy. I mean, spread out, dude.

43:03They had shit laying out there.

43:04There's nothing you can do.

43:05Well, there was. Oh, really?

43:07Yeah, we contacted the police, and the police, eventually, they realized this is not a

43:11good thing, and they moved them all.

43:13Wow. But they moved them to different parts of town, and so then you would

43:15drive to, like, the more industrial areas of town that didn't, like, our place was,

43:19like, semi -industrial. There was a bunch of warehouses, but there was also a bunch

43:23of, like, foot traffic businesses, restaurants, and stuff like that, and so they moved them

43:28out of there. But if you go into the deeper industrial places where they have

43:31factories and stuff, they were there.

43:33Like, whole blocks of them, where you just have campers laying out, and just.

43:36Open meth smoking these people are just full -on meth heads that had just started

43:41a community of fellow meth enthusiasts With campers and a lot of their campers didn't

43:47even run they could just get it to the spot wherever it was And then

43:50they would steal power You know every now and then the dude would die because

43:54he didn't know how to do the wires right and he'd get cooked Yeah, that's

43:57right It's the same where we were at in Salt Lake I'd have full -time

44:02security out in front of them like literally in front of the building Our concern

44:06was when we left it was like if we left at night and someone broke

44:09in It would take fucking forever for cops to show up and do something about

44:13it And so I was like you can't just you just can't have these guys

44:17knowing that like Famous people and you know high -profile people are gonna be at

44:24that spot and you've got like open meth smoking Right in front of the place

44:27like this is too crazy.

44:29Yeah, they're too Too unpredictable, you know, I look I don't care if you live

44:33in your truck. It's probably cool If you're a guy who's like You've checked out

44:37of society essentially and you just like playing pickleball all day and you live in

44:42a camper Who cares you could go and do that But once you start engaging

44:46in meth smoking and then it's always theft Right comes with meth smoking and there's

44:52a lot of break -ins in the area and it was it got to the

44:55point where the cops had to do something So credit to them that they did

44:58it's almost a difference between hashtag van life and hashtag meth life Yeah, yeah, there's

45:03a big difference right van life is like you want to be a guy who's

45:08not Saddled down to one particular spot.

45:11You have a place that's in this van that has a bed.

45:14You have a little tiny kitchen area You have a little portable fridge.

45:18It's all you need. I don't need a fucking house.

45:21Just travel around It's probably fun.

45:23Yeah the freedom of it, you know, like Alex Honnold that crazy dude that just

45:27climbed that tower and In Chinese Taipei he used to live like that for a

45:32long time He had a big van he would park it in his friend's driveway

45:35sometimes and he would just travel to trail heads and live Live out of his

45:40van. That's like the the minimalist attraction Where you're like I don't have anything other

45:45than what's in my van or on my back where life is simple I don't

45:49have to organize anything I can stay focused I I think that's a it's an

45:54interesting thought exercise especially when you're younger like, okay, cool I can wrap my head

45:58around that Yeah, and it's completely respectable a lot of these hippies shouldn't say that

46:02in the context of like hippie dance around and flowers in my hair a lot

46:06of these like climber crunchy guys They are hard committed like bad mofos.

46:13Oh, yeah when they're When they're living on dog food like there's this great story

46:17about the founder of patagonia Where he went to the store he was climbing elcap

46:23and i'm trying to recall a story from outside magazine from you know 20 years

46:27ago But in general circumstance, it's what it is where he went to the store

46:32He's going to be climbing elcap for months and he's just working on a specific

46:36route And he went to the store to buy food.

46:40He only had a hundred bucks or whatever it was and dog food was less

46:43expensive and he was like meh I can live on that And he bought dog

46:48food and lived on dog food And just live on kibble and yeah, so he

46:51could climb and stay out there longer his farts were like bro Like you wouldn't

46:57want to be behind that on his route You would not want to be climbing

47:00behind that guy I'll tell you that because I stopped giving my dog regular dog

47:04food a long time ago, but when he was younger All my dogs I would

47:09just buy the most expensive dry dog food.

47:12Oh, this stuff is good And then somewhere along the line it clicked.

47:16I was like wait Why how can it sit there?

47:19How can it just sit in that bag for a month?

47:22That's crazy. How could it sit on the shelf for years?

47:24That's nuts. That can't be good for you And then I started feeding them frozen

47:27food and then they like that But then I switched to farmer's dog, which is

47:32human grade food Which is lightly cooked.

47:35They fucking love it that stuff.

47:37I would eat like you smell it.

47:38It smells like food it doesn't smell disgusting, right, but Regular dog food is fucking

47:44terrible for a dog. It's gross.

47:45It's not good for them So if you have to eat that stuff that kibble

47:50stuff and you're gonna travel around your gut must be going like What are you

47:55doing? What kind of chemicals are in here?

47:57What kind of preservatives? They're just nuking your gut by the lat the level I

48:02I but I I love the level of commitment Oh, I love like when people

48:07drift over into Like crazy yeah to where their level of commitment and their passion

48:13like translates directly into nothing else exists in their life We're willing to live on

48:17dog food to do the thing that they they love fun that to me is

48:22like You're you're you're an extremist and I respect it You know what hey no,

48:27I can respect that. Yeah, do you ever see the movie dirtbag?

48:30No Um pull up that movie dirtbag.

48:33It's a great movie. It's about a guy who essentially did that till he was

48:37dead This guy just camped out on the ground in front of his friends houses

48:42most of the time didn't have a car Just would just just climb.

48:46That's all he did He was always mooching off people and he had very detailed.

48:50What was the dude's name?

48:51Fred Becky Fred Becky the dude's a legend.

48:54Yeah, so he had been doing this from you know the 19 fucking 50s Like

48:58he was an old ass man Look at this guy look at the gnarled hands

49:02look at his fucking hands solid from just climbing imagine that guy got ahold of

49:07your dick Rip it right off but there is do you know who mark twight

49:12is no, okay, so mark twight look at this fucking guy he was I mean

49:16one of the Foremost names in alpineering like he's he's written several books on it

49:21He wrote a book called kiss or kill confessions of a serial climber back in

49:24the day very very similar like In the context of I would imagine the the

49:31psychological makeup and he started a gym called Jim Jones back in the day and

49:36like it was Where a bunch of people you had it was invite only so

49:42You could only get invited and it's like a lot of special operations guys CIA

49:47guys and professional climbers like everybody that was trying to push the envelope physically would

49:52go out and train with mark and uh i've been friends with him for years

49:58but anything mark does he moves from like i'm going to be the best climber

50:04like alpineering i'm going to be the subject matter expert he was a professional uh

50:09he shot ipsic for a while so he's a professional you know pistol shooter for

50:14a while he's a professional climber and now he's a photographer writer but everything he

50:19does he does it to a level of perfection that it probably drives everybody else

50:24in his life bananas like he's fascinating he's a fascinating human those people that go

50:29really to the outer level of whatever's possible with whatever the fuck they're doing are

50:34always fascinating yeah because it makes you go i don't know if i want to

50:38do that like what is the sacrifice to get really good at rock climbing you

50:42never have kids you never have a life you never like this this dirtbag guy

50:46like everyone around him both admired him and felt sad for him right because like

50:52he died a dirtbag he never had a family and it's like all his ex

50:57-girlfriends talking about how an interesting guy he was he was really fun but eventually

51:01i had to fucking move on like this dude all he wanted to do was

51:05like sleep on the ground and get up and start climbing rocks his whole life

51:09but there's if you think about everybody around us in their in their profession or

51:15their thing right you're at the apex of a your professional your profession and your

51:23level of commitment i'm not like boosting you up i'm just saying like your level

51:26of commitment is unparalleled to a huge percentage of other people so you have a

51:31portion of whatever that is and there are all these other people that have that

51:35thing where their pursuit of passion around that specific profession or product whatever it might

51:40be they're so committed to it that it takes over it's all consuming like i

51:47mean i've seen it because when even when you go play pool i'm like when

51:51we were in vegas a couple months ago they're like oh we're going to play

51:54pool i'm gonna come out he's gonna be there till like six o 'clock in

51:56the morning i'm not gonna do that and green tree was like he was he

52:00was there till like six o 'clock in the morning he played for eight hours

52:02straight i was like yeah i could see the writing on the wall i'm i'm

52:06out of here the pool is my number one problem that's my biggest one really

52:10yeah that's the one where if i if i ever wanted to not do anything

52:14else i would just become a professional pool player if i just said okay i

52:18am done i'm done podcasting i'm done with the ufc i'm done with everything i'm

52:22just gonna travel around and do tournaments huh i could i could go crazy i

52:27could go crazy and just do that 100 is it just the the the game

52:33fascinates you the the angles the the ability to like just continue to evolve within

52:39that all the time you can't ever be the best you definitely never achieve full

52:43perfection but to be really good requires this level of laser focus and concentration and

52:52an understanding of what's going on i mean you're taking a stick and you're hitting

52:56a ball into another ball with pinpoint accuracy into a pocket that is on my

53:03table it's four and a quarter inches so you've got the cube the ball the

53:07object ball which is about that big and then you got that much space on

53:09each side just a tiny little space on each side you got to slip it

53:12through there oftentimes like eight feet away seven feet away six feet away with english

53:18so you're putting spin on the cue ball which imparts a throw on the object

53:23ball so if i put right hand spin on the cue ball and i hit

53:26the object ball i have to calculate for the fact that it's going to throw

53:30the object ball slightly to the left because of the right hand spin because it

53:35clings to the ball a little bit and shoot so all this is playing in

53:38my head and then i have to have it at a speed where once the

53:41cue ball then collides with the object ball pockets it then it's got to go

53:44one two three rails for perfect position on the next ball and i have to

53:49have an angle i have to make sure that i have an angle for the

53:52following ball right and you don't want to be trapped on the rails you want

53:55to be off the rail it's like all these different things you can't think about

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55:05dot com slash j -r -e so if you've gotten i'm sure you have like

55:10professional coach players yeah coaching guys have come out like the best in the world

55:15have come out and played with you oh yeah yeah yeah yeah how do you

55:18hold up like what's your well i can never beat them right uh but i

55:21beat them some games i can break and run out so i break and run

55:24out one two games in a row sometimes and but they'll make so like if

55:30you have like a score of uh accuracy it's called like a fargo rating it's

55:36based on a thousand points as you never miss uh i am in like the

55:41700 on a good day 750 range but a real world -class pro is in

55:48the 800 plus range like um fedor gorse is probably like 850 joshua filler is

55:54probably like a little higher than that they get into this rate where they so

55:57rarely miss and again they're playing on four inch pockets which is like a quarter

56:02inch smaller than the pockets i'm playing on although they are playing on new cloth

56:06which helps a lot makes things more slippery they fall in more more worn out

56:11cloth like when it's broken in for a couple of weeks it gets tougher really

56:16yeah yeah the cloth gets a little less slick and you got to hit a

56:20ball a little bit more pure but on the plus side English takes better so

56:24when you play with these guys is it one of those things where they like

56:28instantly humble you in the context of you start feeling I'm really confident in my

56:33game and then you step in no not really no there's not that big of

56:38a delta between there's a gap there's definitely a gap I mean they're just way

56:43better than me but it's a lot of it it's just time they spend eight

56:46hours a day playing every day if I spent eight hours a day playing every

56:50day I think I could play at a professional level I wouldn't be able to

56:54beat the best guys no I would never be able to beat like the coping

56:57chungs and the the guys that are the very top top because those guys have

57:02been playing eight hours a day for decades they never stop what's it what's a

57:07guy like that make annually in tournaments now more than ever really yeah because of

57:12matchroom pool so matchroom the same company that Eddie Hearn owns that does a lot

57:17of boxing promotions they're involved in a lot of sports they've done an amazing job

57:21with pool specifically with nine ball and they they put on these huge tournaments Saudi

57:26Arabia has a big one every year they have this big world championship where they

57:30pay a ton of money and so you know a good player like a top

57:35-of -the -heat player is making a half a million dollars plus a year okay

57:38and then also endorsements so they have endorsements like companies like predator cues pay them

57:43Q tech and all those different companies pay them x amount of dollars per year

57:48they have a sponsor for the chalk they use they have a sponsor for the

57:52tips they play with all those different things all that adds up so what's the

57:56difference then between what is it snooker is that the english totally different it's totally

58:00different it's a big table it's a 12 by 6 as opposed to a four

58:05and a half by nine so it's a much bigger table but the balls are

58:08smaller as well and then their cues have these tiny little tips on them they

58:13all play with ash cues which is like a very stiff wood and they play

58:19with like a solid wood cue whereas a lot of like pro pool players have

58:22switched to carbon fiber now they play with carbon fiber cues because it's like it

58:27moves it's a little bit more dense so it moves the ball differently is it

58:30fun have you played it snooker yeah i played it when i was in scotland

58:34a little bit uh but i only played by myself there was just a table

58:37and i was just whacking balls around it's very difficult to pocket balls but i

58:40don't even really understand the rules i would have to really pay attention i watch

58:45it a little bit sometimes because i know how hard it is to do what

58:48they're doing because you do have this enormous table their cloth is a lot slower

58:52too it's a it's not as slick of a cloth so is it it's got

58:56to be older then right is it oh it's way it's old snooker's old um

59:01so the original billiards game had no pockets the original billiards game was three cushion

59:06billiards or bulk line or there's a bunch of different billiards games where you play

59:11on a table like say it was like this table there's no pockets in it

59:14and there's just rubber rails all around it and it's all about knocking one ball

59:18into the other ball going three rails and then colliding with the third ball huh

59:24yeah it's just about scoring points i've watched a bunch of that online too because

59:29it helps you understand angles like as you go into a rail because the angles

59:34change depending upon how much english you put on it how hard you hit it

59:37whether you hit it with follow or draw there's a bunch of different like parts

59:42of the cue ball that you can contact with that radically changes the way the

59:46ball moves around on the table so it's like you're calculating so many different things

59:51there's geometry involved there's touch and feel there's like there's all these factors that come

59:56into play when you're playing really well so that explains why archery is also somewhat

1:00:02of a fascination then because you have very similar aspects to archery and directly translate

1:00:09that's like why those things snap together real well for you oh for me they're

1:00:13hand in hand they're they're they're basically the same thing it's basically the same thing

1:00:18you're just doing it in a different way you know you're it's the same thing

1:00:21it's like having everything just flowing together perfectly after like years and years and years

1:00:31of meticulous practice and then it starts to come together and then you pull that

1:00:39group out it's nice and tight like 65 yards like yeah you got it dialed

1:00:44in it's that feeling and it's the same thing was the world goes away there

1:00:49is no room for anything when you're about to pull that trigger whether it's in

1:00:53pool when you're about to make the shot or whether it's an archery there's no

1:00:56room for anything that's what i like about it i also like that there's no

1:01:00bullshit there's no shenanigans there's no personality right there's nothing matters nothing matters did the

1:01:06ball go in the hole if it didn't you lose if it did you win

1:01:10it's really clean i like that yeah like that's the thing i love about like

1:01:16shooting just in general like if i'm hitting a target it doesn't matter i took

1:01:20my kids to the arcade the other day and uh ski ball oh yeah i

1:01:24love i can like spend an hour on that thing just like just trying to

1:01:29get the perfect lob in there and it's it's like i used to tell people

1:01:35i'm like i'm just a projectile enthusiast where i i love hitting center mass of

1:01:40whatever target i'm still a six -year -old kid with my bb gun right it's

1:01:44like at the end of the day now my tools are are you know much

1:01:48more advanced and i've got you know the millions of dollars of government funded training

1:01:52behind me so i'm a little bit more effective at hitting what i want to

1:01:55shoot at but it still has the same the same exact feeling like if you're

1:02:00six years old hitting a pop can with your bb gun or wringing a piece

1:02:04of steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting a you know the the

1:02:08heart of a foam elk in your backyard it's the same dude it translates and

1:02:13it like pulls you into something that's like pure i guess it is pure and

1:02:17it's also a really good mind exercise you you Just like, you know, when you

1:02:22work out, you're cleaning your mind.

1:02:26There's a lot of what working out is, is not just physical, it's mental clarity.

1:02:30You relax the mind, you calm the mind through hard exercise.

1:02:36And there's something where you're calming your mind through shooting.

1:02:40Because it requires so much of you, everything else just gets, get the fuck out

1:02:44of the way. Bills, this, that, you know, oh, I got to call that guy,

1:02:48I don't want to call him.

1:02:49Fuck, I got to deal with this thing.

1:02:50Oh, that's falling apart. This deal sucks.

1:02:53It all goes away. It has to go away.

1:02:55If it doesn't go away, you miss.

1:02:56And then you go, fuck, why did I miss?

1:02:58You miss because you're distracted.

1:02:59Like, let's focus. Put the fucking arrow on the knock.

1:03:02You know, put it in there.

1:03:03Draw it back. Center it.

1:03:05Calm. Relax. At that moment.

1:03:09Like, at that moment, there is nothing else in your fucking head.

1:03:12There's nothing. And then, thwack.

1:03:14And it goes in there.

1:03:16Thwack. You get this. This nice burst of happiness when you watch that fucking arrow

1:03:21just drop right in exactly where you want it to.

1:03:24Like, ah. And then you go and pull the arrows and you go right back

1:03:28and start it again. And at the end of that practice, I feel way better.

1:03:32I just always feel better.

1:03:33I always feel clearer. My head works better.

1:03:37It's just like, it's a focus exercise which excites all your synapses.

1:03:43And then, on top of that, it's a mental clearing thing.

1:03:45Like, Fred Berry used to talk about that.

1:03:47Like, something about, I forget the quote, but it's something about there's nothing like shooting

1:03:51a bow that clears a man's mind.

1:03:52It's totally true. There's something about archery in particular that just cleans your mind.

1:03:58Yeah. I 100 % agree.

1:04:00I used to have this trad bow.

1:04:03That's how I started. Have I told you this story?

1:04:05Like, so I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the burlap coffee bags.

1:04:10Oh, yeah, yeah. I'd stuff them up and fill them up.

1:04:11And then I started shooting a trad bow originally.

1:04:14Well, the roasting cycle takes about eight and a half minutes.

1:04:17So I couldn't really do anything.

1:04:19I'm, like, watching the, you know, coffee roast, which is just tumbling in a big

1:04:23dryer. And so I'd just shoot a trad bow in the back to try to

1:04:27focus something other than the business, you know, family, whatever it is.

1:04:32I could just shoot my trad bow.

1:04:34So, and then Dudley was, like, why do you shoot that thing?

1:04:38It's so stupid. Don't you like to hit what you shoot at?

1:04:41And I'm, like, I'm just doing it for fun, man.

1:04:42Like, you know, I'm a happy -go -lucky guy.

1:04:45I just want to, like, active form of meditation.

1:04:47But what I did realize was it was such a pure, to your point, it

1:04:54would flush out all this negative shit that I was, like, either working through or

1:04:59dealing with. That's, like, so being able to translate that to other people, especially veterans,

1:05:06huge, huge transformation for guys.

1:05:09Because they can go out.

1:05:10It's quiet. It's a subculture they can be part of.

1:05:13They can geek out on all the new gear and arrowheads.

1:05:17You wade into the infinite, never -ending debate around bullshit, around cutting surface area and

1:05:23fucking, you know, mass and velocity.

1:05:26And, like, you'll never get tired because it's, like, full of its own little drama.

1:05:29And it's, like, a bunch of nerd shit that you can actually have a lot

1:05:32of fun with. So much nerd shit.

1:05:34That's what people don't understand.

1:05:35You know, and they don't expect nerd shit, like, real, complicated, technical nerd shit from

1:05:41archery. You don't think of it that way.

1:05:43But it's, like, many things.

1:05:44Like, once you get into it, you realize, like, oh, there's a learning curve to

1:05:48this motherfucker. There's a lot involved.

1:05:50Like, whenever one of my friends is, like, I want to go bow hunting, I'm,

1:05:53like, do you really? Are you sure?

1:05:58Like, don't tell me you do.

1:06:00Like, it's not that you got to dive in off of a cliff.

1:06:05This is not, like, I'm going to go dip my waters into bow hunting.

1:06:08I want to go shoot an elk.

1:06:10Like, Jesus Christ, do you know how hard that is to do?

1:06:12You got fucking, there's so many moving parts.

1:06:15There's so many things. You have to be proficient under extreme stress.

1:06:19There's so much going on there, man.

1:06:21Don't tell me you want to do that unless you, you got to, you got

1:06:24to show me before I get involved.

1:06:26Take me bow hunting. That's not happening.

1:06:30You are not going to be stomping on twigs near me.

1:06:32And you're not going to be going, you're not going to be not checking the

1:06:35wind. All these things are not going to happen.

1:06:38Well, they like the idea, right?

1:06:39Like, they like, and there's plenty of people, they're, like, they're, they're, they're window shoppers

1:06:44in this activity, right? They're like, they're walking by and they're like, that looks cool,

1:06:48right? But they don't like the realities of what it actually takes because it's so

1:06:53fucking hard. And it like ruins you a lot of times.

1:06:56Like, I mean, in the last few years, we've hunted enough together.

1:07:01Like, dude, I've been psychologically ruined by like shooting something or making a bad shot

1:07:07or like just devastating. Missing.

1:07:09Yeah. It's like, you can't figure out why you missed.

1:07:12No. And then you're, you're running through it a thousand, a thousand times.

1:07:15Like, what did I do?

1:07:16Okay. How do I do better?

1:07:18And then you're like, okay.

1:07:20But you're the kind of guy that does that, that does the process in your

1:07:23head and then improves and keeps getting better.

1:07:25For some people, that's, that will ruin their life.

1:07:29Like the one bad thing that happens will ruin their fucking life because they spent

1:07:33all these months preparing. They paid for a tag.

1:07:37They hired an outfitter and then dunk, dunk the shot and fucking ruin their whole

1:07:42week. And then they go back home.

1:07:44How'd your hunt go? Oh, I missed, you know, like, or I wounded it.

1:07:48Well, and it's, it's a, it's a, it's a lesson in life.

1:07:51You can work harder than you've ever worked and still fail and still fail.

1:07:56Yeah. You can work for a decade of your life.

1:07:59You can shoot and shoot and train and train and you can put in all

1:08:03the work and still fuck it up.

1:08:05And there's guys who in the same situation as you would succeed.

1:08:10Yeah. So you got to figure out what's, what are they doing different?

1:08:13Why are they better? Keep in and keep getting better.

1:08:17Like there's hunts that I've been successful on recently, you know, within the last few

1:08:21years that I know that if I had that same hunt eight, nine years ago,

1:08:25I probably would have not been able to make that shot.

1:08:28Right. I'm not, I wasn't as good then.

1:08:30So I've gotten better. It's like, I think everybody needs something.

1:08:34that you can't master, that is hard to do, that cleans your mind.

1:08:40I think people need stuff to clean their mind, and I think that's why so

1:08:44many people are running around all fucked up because you're looking at social media all

1:08:49day, so that gives you anxiety.

1:08:51Your life is not satisfying, so that gives you anxiety.

1:08:54You don't take care of your body, so that gives you anxiety.

1:08:58You have all these things, and you're stuck in traffic, that gives you anxiety.

1:09:02Everybody's just mentally all fucked up.

1:09:04And so you go to a doctor, and the doctor says, well, obviously you're dealing

1:09:08with depression, and I can prescribe to you this or that, and then you're on

1:09:12Lexapro or whatever the fuck you're on.

1:09:14And that's the road they go down, and this is a bad road.

1:09:19It's not a road where you're going to improve your life, and there's other ways

1:09:23to do it. And I think there'd be a lot more happy people in this

1:09:26world if you found a thing.

1:09:28It doesn't have to be archery.

1:09:29It doesn't have to be pool.

1:09:30It doesn't have to be jiu -jitsu.

1:09:32It doesn't have to be pistol shooting.

1:09:34It just has to be something that's hard to do, that you are on this

1:09:38quest to make these incremental improvements.

1:09:42And through that focus of incremental improvements, you improve your human potential.

1:09:48You improve your ability as a person to do difficult – and to handle situations.

1:09:55So I always tell people, if you do jiu -jitsu, you'll be much happier because

1:09:59the stresses of life are nothing compared to a dude who's trying to literally break

1:10:06your arm. Right. He's on top of you, and you're defending, and then you get

1:10:10out of it, and then you get him, or he gets you, and then you

1:10:13have to tap, and you go over again.

1:10:14That is so hard to do that, like, regular life becomes, like, a breeze.

1:10:19It becomes a breeze. It makes everything – jiu -jitsu people are some of the

1:10:22most relaxed people I've ever been around in my life.

1:10:25They're all friendly to everybody.

1:10:26They're never talking shit or causing drama or problems.

1:10:30They get it all out.

1:10:31Yeah, they – I think there's something about getting the shit kicked out of yourself,

1:10:36too, right? So, like, there's something about facing someone, which I don't do jiu -jitsu,

1:10:42just, you know, as a caveat to that, but being able to, like, face another

1:10:47person in a scenario and then compete against them.

1:10:50Yeah. So where everything counts, and then literally just getting the shit beat out of

1:10:56yourself and going, okay, well, I'm going to step back up.

1:10:59I'm going to do it again, right?

1:11:00Yeah, and get better. Like, that level of teaching yourself mental endurance, like, that is

1:11:07the thing that I constantly think about my kids.

1:11:09Like, I'm like, how do I be compassionate, caring, loving, you know, the dad that

1:11:15wants to give them everything?

1:11:16And then how do you, like, translate that into also creating obstacles that will drive

1:11:21mental courage, right? Just courage.

1:11:24I think you do it by example.

1:11:26Really? I think that's the best way.

1:11:27Yeah. My opinion is, like, if you look at Cam Haynes' sons, I mean, he

1:11:33was rough raising his kids.

1:11:35He talks about that. But those kids are exceptional.

1:11:38They're fucking exceptional. Yeah. You know, one son's a ranger.

1:11:41The other son broke the world chin -up record.

1:11:44And, you know, he runs marathons with jeans on.

1:11:47And he's fucking got two savage kids.

1:11:50And why? Well, look at the environment they grew up in.

1:11:53Right. They grew up with a dad who's supremely disciplined.

1:11:57And just by being in his presence, you realize, like, oh, I can achieve a

1:12:03lot more than other people can if I'm just willing to put in that work.

1:12:08And for a lot of people, that feeling of, like, the anxiety of the struggle

1:12:15and of grinding it out, like, that scares them.

1:12:18And they don't want to do it.

1:12:19And so they come up on excuses or they retreat into other things.

1:12:23And, you know, they distract themselves.

1:12:25And if you're a parent that does that, you create a weird environment for your

1:12:31child because your child is sort of imitating you as a leader.

1:12:34And you're a fuck up and you're always making excuses and you get fired a

1:12:38lot or you sleep in a lot.

1:12:40Or you do things that, like, are not admirable.

1:12:43And then that child, you know, fuck life, man.

1:12:47You know, whereas, you know, his kids are probably like, Jesus Christ, dad's a fucking

1:12:52animal. Like, I want to be an animal, too.

1:12:54And then you see how people respect his father and they go, oh, okay, I

1:12:58want people to respect me like that, too.

1:13:00You know, you hear what people talk about him when he's not around.

1:13:03Like, well, I want people to respect me.

1:13:05Right. Well, there's only one way to do that.

1:13:07You have to be worthy of respect.

1:13:08There's only one way to get there.

1:13:10It's a fucking long road.

1:13:12Good luck. Start going. And you're not going to get any satisfaction for a long

1:13:16ass fucking time other than the fact that you're on the path, that you're on.

1:13:20You're involved in the process and you're on the journey.

1:13:23Yeah, the grind. Right. And it's like it's overused.

1:13:27But the level of endurance in courage when it's like that trade alone, just trying

1:13:35to understand courage, like who has it, who doesn't have it.

1:13:40And then the level of commitment to a mission or something bigger than yourself.

1:13:47It's the thing that I think about, I'd say, a huge percentage of the last

1:13:53several years, especially, you know, as I get a little bit older, right, a little

1:13:57bit further away from the GWAT.

1:13:59And I was with, I'm doing a documentary on Earl Plumlee.

1:14:06You know who that is?

1:14:06No. So he's a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret.

1:14:09We were at the UFC fight with Elliot Miller and Earl Plumlee.

1:14:15Earl Plumlee is an incredibly humble guy, like just an amazing human.

1:14:24Like you can sit here and talk to him.

1:14:26You'd never in a million years know that this guy had earned the Medal of

1:14:30Honor. Never. Like because one, he's never going to tell you.

1:14:35Two, he's going to ask you a hundred questions about you and be way more

1:14:39fascinated with that. And two, and three, you know, we were having this conversation.

1:14:43He's like, man, it belongs to the guys.

1:14:45Like I didn't do anything.

1:14:47Like it belongs to the guys.

1:14:48Like the guys, any of the.

1:14:49guys if they wouldn't have been shot would have done the same exact thing that

1:14:52i did and i was like man that is an incredible statement from you know

1:14:57a guy that's sitting here and so this documentary follows his path from joining the

1:15:03marine corps which was literally where the the judge you know those those old stories

1:15:07of the guy that was like forced by the judge to join the military or

1:15:11jail he literally has that and it starts he goes into you know the marines

1:15:17and then he's a force recon marine and he he had gone through all the

1:15:21selections and he got out of the marine corps joined the army and we follow

1:15:25his story through the eyes of his peers and his leaders because we wanted to

1:15:31see from his perspective what do other people say about him through his entire journey

1:15:38not the story from his perspective one he'll never tell it the way that it's

1:15:41probably needs to be told two what were the choices that he made throughout his

1:15:47professional life that made the man that was capable of such an incredible act of

1:15:54courage that it warranted the highest medal you know literally earned in the united states

1:15:59military and that single word courage how do you build courageous people yeah it's a

1:16:07fascinating it's it's quite literally it's such a fascinating subject and most of it is

1:16:15it's the the man in the arena right it's it's a poem from from teddy

1:16:21roosevelt it's like it's not the critic who counts it's like keeping up stepping back

1:16:26in this commitment to something greater than yourself and then making these thousands of choices

1:16:32in your life every day as you wake up step forward step back into the

1:16:37fray and like make the active decision to be better and it's like it's it's

1:16:43such a fucking fundamental thing of being able to any any part of your life

1:16:47if you don't get up in the morning and like commit yourself to something i'm

1:16:51not you know motivational speaker but it's how are you ever going to get better

1:16:57if you're not committing to something like being a better dad or a better husband

1:17:01or better you know better your profession and then committing to this evolutionary process takes

1:17:06a not only a huge amount of commitment but mental and physical endurance it does

1:17:12i mean i'm i'm never going to get tired of trying to figure this out

1:17:17because obviously it's it's like my peer set i was having this conversation with um

1:17:24jack car and i ran to the airport uh we ran into each other at

1:17:29the airport on the way down here and we were talking about fucking love that

1:17:32guy fucking such a good dude and it's it's not just in the military right

1:17:38it's it's not it's just yeah and all of life all of life yeah you

1:17:42find exceptional people in all of life and you can they're fuel those people are

1:17:47fuel and they and they enhance the lives of the people around them and then

1:17:52if you become one of those guys you enhance the lives of the people around

1:17:56you and then you feed off of them and they feed off of you and

1:17:59everybody feeds off of each other and it's it's so good for you to know

1:18:04that people like that are out there that there's a guy like that capable of

1:18:07incredible courage and that how did he get there what did he do what did

1:18:11how did he become the man he is right now because god damn that's an

1:18:15admirable man so how do you how do i get there yeah it's and there's

1:18:20all these stories i like jack and i were talking about um because you know

1:18:25the navy seals obviously they've got a lot of positive uh pr over the last

1:18:30several years but this the special operations community's got so much just i don't know

1:18:38airtime right but there are all these other people in the military throughout you know

1:18:43generations of war fighters that have gone out and done these incredibly hard jobs and

1:18:47i i found this story of the parchy which is the uss parchy which is

1:18:52the most decorated submarine and ship in navy history they have nine presidential citations it's

1:18:58the most decorated group of men in the u .s navy like in modern history

1:19:03and everything they've done is still classified whoa it's a cold war era nuclear submarine

1:19:09that was modified and pulled ultimately tasked out by the cia to go out and

1:19:14do collection and they were the guys that hundreds of feet down they would land

1:19:20on the bottom of of the ocean and the soviets had these military communication lines

1:19:27that were basically hard lines that would go under a bay so they could communicate

1:19:31back and forth and they they felt like they were secure and one of their

1:19:36jobs which is i've never been able to see anything uh you know declassified but

1:19:41the stories that are out there these guys would land on the bottom of the

1:19:44ocean send out divers at hundreds of feet and these guys would hook listening devices

1:19:51on those lines hundreds of feet down like in cold dark water can you imagine

1:19:58dude like you're out in 400 feet or 300 feet of water pitch black you

1:20:04can't see anything and your job is to go and put a listening device on

1:20:08a soviet communication line 1986 or whatever it was and you're in enemy territory so

1:20:16if you get discovered you're dead and none of these guys that's the incredible thing

1:20:23none of these guys have ever said anything about it decades and not only decades

1:20:29of missions months away from home none of these guys have said a fucking thing

1:20:34they've not been on a podcast they've not written any books and the only thing

1:20:38they say is yeah we did a lot of incredible shit still can't talk about

1:20:40it unbelievable man yeah like i've been able to see i can go out and

1:20:49do shit and like you still have the ability to see i can't imagine being

1:20:53in like 300 feet of water pitch black pitch black if you if you lose

1:20:58a glove right or something goes wrong how are you going to get back to

1:21:03the boat Like and you're gonna have to get back the boat and then get

1:21:07back into American territory without being discovered and more more importantly you're gonna do this

1:21:12How many times over the course of your career and are it does the listening

1:21:17device require them to gather the information?

1:21:20While they're at the bottom of the ocean or does it transmit?

1:21:22I think it transmits. Yeah, that's much more convenient It's not declassified so who knows

1:21:29and they don't talk about it.

1:21:31Wow. They don't talk about it That's crazy.

1:21:34I was talking to Jack and I were talking about it and I was like

1:21:37have you ever heard about this and You know, he's retired Navy guy.

1:21:40He's like no, I've never heard about it.

1:21:41Mike. That's my point. It's an incredible story man Like these guys are still buttoned

1:21:46up Not saying a fucking word They pick the right guys they pick the right

1:21:52guys. Yeah, there's guys like that out there.

1:21:54Yeah, yeah And they don't have to be famous either.

1:21:56There's a lot of people out there They just they're you know They're just doing

1:22:02the mission. Yeah, they'd come home not tell their families.

1:22:05Yeah, their wives would be pissed off What are you doing out out on the

1:22:09boat with all your friends for months just hanging out hot racking?

1:22:13You know, yeah, like I can't say anything you have to have the right wife

1:22:17Mm -hmm If you don't have a woman that can understand that that becomes a

1:22:21real problem Yeah, I'm sure a lot of them ended up in divorce.

1:22:25Oh, yeah Yeah, well, you know, that was part of the Bob Lazar story the

1:22:29Bob Lazar was the guy that worked at Area 51 Yeah, he couldn't tell his

1:22:32wife what he was doing and they would call him at like 10 p .m.

1:22:37There's a flight for you that leaves at 11 15 be at the airport And

1:22:41he had to leave and he would tell his wife.

1:22:42I got to go to work.

1:22:43She's like it's 11 o 'clock at night He's like I have to go to

1:22:46work. What are you doing?

1:22:47It's like I can't talk about it because all his phones were bugged.

1:22:50Everything was bugged, right? So his wife is like this motherfuckers cheating on me She

1:22:54she starts fucking her flight instructor and that's one of the reasons why they removed

1:23:00him from his duties because they like this guy's gonna be unstable We have to

1:23:04see how he handles this because he's involved in this top secret Back engineering of

1:23:10a flying saucer program allegedly and we have to You know keep an eye on

1:23:16this motherfucker because he can't be mentally unstable and have this kind of responsibility Because

1:23:22he couldn't tell her couldn't tell her anything You can't tell anybody Yeah, and then

1:23:27eventually he took her to the the sites where he could he explained to everybody

1:23:31when he thought that his life was in danger And then he was getting fired

1:23:34when things started getting sideways like people need to know about this He took her

1:23:37out there and showed her but it was he didn't know that she was fucking

1:23:40some other guy by the by that time That's so unfortunate unfortunate Yeah, look at

1:23:45this is what I'm doing.

1:23:46I wonder if that actually would I wonder if she's like fuck I shouldn't fuck

1:23:49that guy Man, I feel bad now.

1:23:52I shouldn't have fucked that guy I used to have to do that because for

1:23:56years, you know Years of my life.

1:23:59I didn't tell anybody couldn't tell anybody who I worked for what I did and

1:24:05I didn't have a wife so I didn't have a wife or kids.

1:24:08I just not really say anything and I just dip out I kind of dipped

1:24:12out from my family. My dad was like very concerned because he's like I never

1:24:16hear from that kid I don't know what he's doing.

1:24:18I'm like, I'm just working just yeah, just busy man But it weighs on you

1:24:22after a while you're like this kind of sucks Yeah, not being able to tell

1:24:26people about something you're doing is That's hard like you can never show someone part

1:24:32of who you are. They're always gonna be a door that's closed It's kind of

1:24:36nuts. Yeah, it's difficult. It was like my wife when we first got together She's

1:24:41the first girl That or first woman.

1:24:44I shouldn't say girl. She's the first woman I told because I was like fuck

1:24:47this place I'm out of it anyway.

1:24:48So if if I get rolled up, I get rolled up who cares?

1:24:52I'm out anyway Did she was she initially like whoa?

1:24:56Like how did she handle it?

1:24:58Well, so we were did you give her like details?

1:25:01No, no, no I because She had met some of my friends right and you

1:25:08know the guys in the community are fairly Obvious because they look like you and

1:25:13the jacked tattooed, you know, a lot of them are you know big beards.

1:25:17It looks like um Let's take the hell's angels, right?

1:25:21So like I don't work for the state department That's fairly obvious like state departments.

1:25:25They're gonna wear suits and you know, they're Come out of harvard and they use

1:25:29really long words all the time.

1:25:30They're not They're not like they don't look like they're getting ready to commit a

1:25:34felony like and And so she would be around You know at our kitchen table

1:25:39or whatever and you'd have all these guys That look like you know, they're nfl

1:25:44hell's angels and I look like this which you know is intimidating nonetheless, but I

1:25:51could get away with it.

1:25:52I could sell that but they couldn't she's like well So you work for the

1:25:56state department, but what is it that you actually do?

1:25:59Right? I'm like you're not a janitor obviously i'm like, ah, you know we we

1:26:03we train assistant advise or something and then after a while um, you know getting

1:26:08to know her You know six months or however long we'd known each other We

1:26:13were driving down the road and I was like I actually worked for the cia

1:26:15and she's like I know What are you a fucking idiot?

1:26:20I'm like, yeah, that's fair.

1:26:21Yeah, like and uh and it's and it's funny because even now today, right?

1:26:28It's like a lot of my friends will come by I haven't seen for years

1:26:31and uh And she always has the same kind of like eye roll.

1:26:36It's like, okay He's gonna be up till like two in the morning like Drinking

1:26:40at the kitchen table talking shit about everybody that used to work That's right.

1:26:46It's like and it's so dramatic, right?

1:26:48It's like it's such a sewing circle at times with people and it's all the

1:26:52same people are The same regardless of your profession.

1:26:56It's like, uh -huh They're always talking shit and that guy's a good dude.

1:27:01That guy's not It's so fascinating to me like, uh, James O 'Keefe stuff Mm

1:27:06-hmm Like how much they bust people that talk about things they should never talk

1:27:10about with people that are just on a date with Yeah, like not even like

1:27:15your wife of 10 years.

1:27:17No, no, no You know No, some lady or some guy, it's a lot of

1:27:21it, it's chatty gay guys.

1:27:23Yeah, yeah. A lot of it is gay guys like, I'll tell you how we

1:27:25do it. And they're on a date with some guy and they're trying to impress

1:27:29him and they start telling about what secret covert things they're doing that's totally illegal

1:27:33and they do it all the time.

1:27:35Oh, it's got, it happens all the time in DC and it doesn't really matter

1:27:41what, what party or wherever you go, you always have the guy.

1:27:45I, and it's so funny because I would go to, you know, whatever party X

1:27:50and depending on the venue, it might be like state department and FBI or whomever.

1:27:54And you can always tell who works for whom.

1:27:57And it's always like you're, they're always trying to out jockey each other for who

1:28:02works for the better government service.

1:28:04And I used to always tell people as a, I was a janitor, so they

1:28:08would leave me alone. And, uh, I'm a janitor at Northrop Grumman.

1:28:11I'm like, why are you here?

1:28:12Like kind of a thing.

1:28:13I'm like, ah, that's what I do.

1:28:14It's, you know, it's my passion.

1:28:16I love them shit, shit stripes and toilets, man.

1:28:18I got to wipe them out.

1:28:20And, but then the, the, all the other guys were like jockeying for like FBI

1:28:25or state department or wherever they're going.

1:28:28And then it's always the guys like, I can't tell you who I work for.

1:28:30And you're like, oh, then you just sit back and listen.

1:28:33You're like, let me hear where this guy's going.

1:28:35This is going to be a fun one.

1:28:36You know, you're like, oh, get a couple of drinks at him.

1:28:38Yeah. Yeah. And then it's just full of shit.

1:28:41You're just like, oh, so full of shit.

1:28:43Well, that's the thing about important people that have achieved a high level of success.

1:28:47Everybody wants to pretend they're that.

1:28:49Yeah. There's a lot of people that want to pretend they're that person because it's

1:28:55so hard to become that person, but it's, you can convince a lot of people

1:28:59that don't know any better that you are.

1:29:01That was a big thing with martial arts, big thing with martial arts.

1:29:05It was in, especially in the eighties.

1:29:07Well, so in the eighties, when I first started, no one knew anything.

1:29:12It wasn't like today. Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're a

1:29:16high school kid and you get in a street fight with another high school kid,

1:29:18there's a high likelihood that that kid knows how to leg kick.

1:29:22Right. He might know a blast double.

1:29:25He might know an arm triangle.

1:29:26You might get fucked up.

1:29:27Like they might know how to fight back then.

1:29:29No one knew how to fight.

1:29:30It was very rare. There's like one kid who knew how to box.

1:29:33It was always the wrestling team, which were the most dangerous people.

1:29:35Those guys were the worst.

1:29:36Those guys, they're the hardest motherfuckers in the school always.

1:29:40And I didn't even realize that until I started wrestling.

1:29:43I was like, I'm amongst these fucking elite killers and they're just walking around with

1:29:48everybody like they're normal. And you realize the level of commitment and dedication involved in

1:29:52being an elite high school wrestler, just a high school wrestler.

1:29:56It's fucking off the charts.

1:29:58These kids were going to camps all through the summer.

1:30:01They would get sent off to wrestling camp.

1:30:03They were training year round.

1:30:04And I just hopped in on my sophomore year.

1:30:07I did one season of wrestling.

1:30:08And I was like, this is crazy.

1:30:11Like the level, I had no idea.

1:30:13I was hanging around with these people.

1:30:15I thought they were normal people.

1:30:16They're like kids that were like little soldiers, like all of them, thick neck, little

1:30:21fucking soldiers. And you realize like, wow.

1:30:24I like opened my eyes like, Jesus, there's these people around.

1:30:27And they were never even considered martial artists until the UFC.

1:30:31No one really understood, unless they actually did wrestling, how helpless the average person is

1:30:37with an elite wrestler. You have no chance.

1:30:40It's not like, maybe you'll be able to hit him before he takes you down.

1:30:44Nope. No chance. He's going to shoot on you.

1:30:47He's going to fucking. You have no chance.

1:30:49You have zero chance. But there was always a bunch of guys who were pretending

1:30:52they were martial arts experts.

1:30:54It was, oh, it was a really common thing.

1:30:57And then you would talk to him like, where do you train?

1:30:58What do you, what do you do?

1:30:59And it was always some guy who like learned some, there was one guy, this

1:31:05guy actually wound up getting arrested for murder and he's in jail right now.

1:31:10Yeah. He had lied to everybody and told them that he was a Brazilian jiu

1:31:13-jitsu black belt and he was even teaching people and he knew almost nothing.

1:31:19And it, this is like in the early, early 2000s, I guess, like the late

1:31:23nineties, early 2000s and it was just starting to catch on.

1:31:28Like people were just starting to understand the depth of martial arts because of the

1:31:32UFC, but it hadn't really gone mainstream until about 2005.

1:31:36And this guy, uh, was telling everybody he was a Brazilian jiu -jitsu black belt

1:31:40and then Eddie Bravo trained with him.

1:31:43And Eddie came back to me and he's like, man, something's wrong.

1:31:45He was like, this guy is terrible.

1:31:47He didn't know shit. And, and he's like, and I was like, really?

1:31:51He goes, yeah, I think he's a fake.

1:31:52I think he's a fraud.

1:31:52And he wound up confronting this guy.

1:31:56And then the guy wound up, uh, he was banging some guy's wife and wound

1:32:01up luring the guy back to his karate school and killing him.

1:32:05What? Yeah. Yeah. And he went to jail and he's in jail right now, but

1:32:09he had a fake name.

1:32:10His name was Raphael Torrey.

1:32:13That was his fake name, but his real name was like Ralph something or another.

1:32:16And, uh, he's in jail right now for murder.

1:32:18That's a, but that's a super funny character, right?

1:32:21Not that guy, but it's a fake, but a fake martial artist was that there.

1:32:27There's a, there's a movie years ago, uh, where it's like one foot way, the

1:32:31way of one foot or something.

1:32:32You ever watch that? Yeah.

1:32:34With Danny McFry. Yeah. It was fucking hilarious, man.

1:32:37And it's like that guy, that, that like character, that strip mall, you know, martial

1:32:43artist, it's just a piece of shit.

1:32:45Yeah. There's a guy on Instagram that documents all these guys.

1:32:48It's McDojo life on Instagram.

1:32:50It's a fucking great page because it's all people doing bullshit, fake martial arts, like

1:32:56death touch, like people that can like touch your forehead and you like go limp

1:33:00and fall to the ground.

1:33:00And you get all their, their students become like brainwashed and they go along with

1:33:05this whole facade. It's really weird.

1:33:08They, they're in on the charade.

1:33:09It's very strange. Super weird.

1:33:11It's like, it's very cultish.

1:33:13Mm -hmm. Like martial arts are very cultish, especially traditional martial arts.

1:33:17Like your instructor is always, sir, you're always bowing to them.

1:33:20There's always a lot of weirdness inside.

1:33:22Yeah. And in like traditional Taekwondo, you always would refer to your instructors as Mr.

1:33:29It was Mr. I hated it.

1:33:30It was like, just you don't have to do that.

1:33:32How many years did you do that?

1:33:32Oh, like hardcore for seven years.

1:33:37Yeah, hardcore. And then you switched over to jiu -jitsu?

1:33:40Yeah, I switched over to jiu -jitsu a few years later.

1:33:42I stopped fighting when I was 22, and then I was a real, it was

1:33:47like doing comedy. I started doing comedy at 21, and I kind of half -assed,

1:33:52still trained, and fought a few times while I was also doing comedy.

1:33:56But I didn't have the commitment that I had before.

1:33:59I'd had a series of events that led me out of wanting to compete, and

1:34:05one of them was recognizing brain damage, recognizing it in other people, recognizing it in

1:34:11friends, and then laying in bed with headaches after sparring sessions going, okay, where does

1:34:17this lead? And I'm not even making any money off of this.

1:34:21And then there was a guy that I hurt really bad in a tournament.

1:34:23I knocked this one guy out when I was 19 in California.

1:34:27I was competing in the nationals, and I KO'd this guy, and he never got

1:34:31up. They had to take him on a stretcher, and he was on a stretcher

1:34:34for half an hour, and then they took him to the hospital, and it freaked

1:34:36me out because I was like, that could have easily been me.

1:34:39It easily could have been me, and that one bothered me because I was like,

1:34:43what am I doing? Like, why am I doing this?

1:34:46Like, I'm trying to win, you know, the national championships.

1:34:50I'm trying to be in the Olympics.

1:34:52I'm trying to do these things, but I'm like, okay, well, where does that lead

1:34:55me? To teaching? Do I really want to – I was already teaching at the

1:34:57time, but do I really want to teach for a living forever?

1:35:00I'm like, I don't think I do.

1:35:01There's not – you know, and then recognizing that the martial art that I had

1:35:06picked, Taekwondo, had a lot of flaws in it.

1:35:09It was really good for kicking, but it wasn't the best overall martial art, and

1:35:15when I started kickboxing, I really realized that, and then I started getting into Muay

1:35:19Thai, and I realized the power of leg kicks and what the devastating impact it

1:35:23has on your mobility and, like, one or two leg kicks, and you're so compromised.

1:35:26I was like, oh, this is – there's so many levels to this.

1:35:29So I was, like, kind of half -assing martial arts, like, the last year, not

1:35:34nearly as committed. Like, I was all in, all throughout my high school years, all

1:35:39in until I was 21, and then from 21 to 22 kind of half -assed

1:35:45it, and then I didn't start doing jiu -jitsu until years later.

1:35:47So what's going on at, like, 21, 22, and you, like, what are you thinking?

1:35:52Do you remember what you're thinking?

1:35:53Like, I'm going to be an actor?

1:35:55I'm going to be a comic?

1:35:56No, no, no, no. What are you thinking?

1:35:58I didn't think I was going to be a comic until I did an open

1:36:02mic night when I was 21.

1:36:04And then even then, I was like, this is just something that I think I

1:36:08can do. But when I would bomb, I'd be like, fuck, I should go back

1:36:12to fighting. I just get a few – and then you know what happened?

1:36:14I tore my ACL. And when I tore my ACL, I had to have surgery,

1:36:18and I couldn't do anything for, like, six months.

1:36:20And then I realized, like, my body's vulnerable.

1:36:23Like, you're counting on your tissue staying intact in order to, like, live this life

1:36:30that you want to live.

1:36:31So I had to get my knee reconstructed, and I was like, all right.

1:36:36So that was the first knee reconstruction?

1:36:39Yeah. Was that back then?

1:36:40Yeah. I was 22, I think, when I blew it out.

1:36:4421, somewhere around then. It was, like, right around the time when I was, like,

1:36:47thinking about stopping competing. It's, like, my – you know, like, the universe was like,

1:36:51let me help you. Right.

1:36:53Let me fuck your knee up real quick.

1:36:55So I had to get that fixed, and that takes a little while before it

1:36:58gets back to normal again.

1:37:01But comedy became a thing where I was like, this is very exciting and really

1:37:05difficult to do and so different than anything else I was doing.

1:37:07Well, you have to get the people to like you.

1:37:09Like, it's dependent upon, like, personality.

1:37:12Whereas with martial arts, I wanted them to not like me.

1:37:14I loved it. I didn't have any problem.

1:37:17Like, no one's going to save you.

1:37:19It doesn't matter if these people hate me.

1:37:21And if you're looking at me and there's just you and me and a referee,

1:37:24I liked it. I liked that this person had, like, a bunch of – like,

1:37:27one of my favorite things was, like, hearing cheers stop.

1:37:31Like, when people were cheering, like, get him, fuck yeah, kick his ass, kick his

1:37:34ass, then whomp. And then the guy would collapse, and then you hear silence.

1:37:40You just hear silence. Silence, especially if you go to where they live.

1:37:45Right. Like, if you had to go to Ohio and fight in Ohio, I just

1:37:48loved that silence. It was this final moment.

1:37:51And my thing was I would always walk away like it was normal.

1:37:54I would never celebrate. I would just walk away like that was – I do

1:37:58this every day. I'm going to do this to the next guy, too.

1:38:01This is what I'm going to do to you.

1:38:02And I would always take naps, too.

1:38:05That was the other thing I did when everybody was freaking out before fighting, before

1:38:08sparring. I would go to sleep in front of everybody.

1:38:10I would just put a hoodie on and just lie down on the ground and

1:38:13go to sleep. Is that, like, where you're trying to fuck with them a little

1:38:18bit? It was a little bit of fucking with them.

1:38:19It was a little bit of I'm so relaxed that I'm going to take a

1:38:22nap here while you're freaking out.

1:38:24But it was also – I wanted to do it from my own mind.

1:38:27I wanted to just, like, be – I was so in my own head.

1:38:32I was just – it was – I was so in my own, like, what

1:38:36I'm going to do. I wasn't thinking about all these other external things.

1:38:40Until that one knockout, that's when I really started thinking about what could happen to

1:38:44me. Because I had gotten really lucky where I never really got hurt in a

1:38:48tournament. Never got dropped. Never got knocked out.

1:38:51Never got really rocked. But I did it to a lot of people.

1:38:55And then I was like, this is coming around.

1:38:58Like, it's only a matter of time before I get whomped.

1:39:01It's just – it happens.

1:39:02It's just going to happen.

1:39:04I'm going to fight some national champion guy.

1:39:06Right. And I'm going to zig when I should have zagged.

1:39:08And I'm going to catch a heel to my fucking jaw.

1:39:10And that's going to be a wrap.

1:39:12I'm going to be waking up in the hospital.

1:39:14That's interesting that you had that thought early on to where you're, like, ah.

1:39:19Well, I started seeing brain damage in other people.

1:39:23Specifically when I started kickboxing, because I was training at boxing gyms.

1:39:27And I started seeing guys who were – there was, like, a slurry aspect to

1:39:32the way they talked. There was a labored thing to their speech.

1:39:36There was something about them.

1:39:37And then I would see it degrade over time, you know?

1:39:41Like, I really started getting involved in sparring and boxing when I was about 19.

1:39:46But then I would have minded – there was an Bunny, who would have been

1:39:47on the head of the Hollywood器.

1:39:47I would say that there was a guy around Kobe, right?

1:39:47It's pretty cool. It's a pretty cool hand probably too.

1:39:47But we if I had a place where the subject helps it get into acting

1:39:47in the space. My looking havers.

1:39:47And that was also around the time where I started losing my enthusiasm for Taekwondo

1:39:52because I just realized the no punching to the face thing in tournaments was so

1:39:56limited. It really, it fucked you up because it gave you this illusion that you

1:40:00could pull things off where all the guy would have to do is jab you

1:40:03in the face. You're like, oh, okay.

1:40:06Like at this distance, you can't do the thing that you normally do in a

1:40:09Taekwondo tournament. You have to be much more aware defensively.

1:40:13So I had to recalibrate my offense and my tactics.

1:40:17And so then I just started doing a lot of boxing and a lot of

1:40:20kickboxing. And I saw so much brain damage.

1:40:24I saw so much like unreported brain damage, just weird stuff.

1:40:28Guys would tell you the same story.

1:40:30They just told you like five minutes ago.

1:40:32They tell it to you again.

1:40:33And I was realizing, oh, these guys can't remember.

1:40:36They just said this thing five minutes ago.

1:40:38It was like they were stoned, you know, and they weren't, you know.

1:40:42They were just starting to exhibit the beginning signs of brain damage.

1:40:48So when you're making those decisions early on, like you're controlling, like being able to

1:40:57control your emotions. So your anxiety and being able to like put yourself into the

1:41:02right mental framework to go out and perform.

1:41:05So regardless, so you're competing in Taekwondo, you're going out, you're actually performing like open

1:41:12mics. Is that what you're doing at the time?

1:41:14Or are you just like stepping in?

1:41:14Yeah, when I was 21.

1:41:15Once I was 21, I started doing open mics.

1:41:17Yeah. And so being able to control your emotions.

1:41:20Because you've got to be freaking out a little bit.

1:41:22Yeah, well, the first time, the first time I went on stage, I was more

1:41:25scared than I had ever been fighting, which I thought was crazy.

1:41:28So I started fighting before I could really be scared.

1:41:31I started fighting when I was 15.

1:41:33It was like the first fights that I had.

1:41:34So you were scared, but you didn't, you were so stupid.

1:41:37You didn't know what could happen to you.

1:41:40And I was really lucky that I had a really good school.

1:41:43The school that I trained at was super technical.

1:41:45That was the guy who I trained under this guy, Jae Hun Kim, he trained

1:41:51with General Chae Young Yee, who was like the founder of Taekwondo.

1:41:56And so it was like the technique was perfect.

1:42:01Like you had to have perfect technique.

1:42:03Like if you did anything sloppy or anything like kind of, they would correct you.

1:42:08Like you had to have it down.

1:42:10And they emphasized a lot of heavy bag training, which a lot of schools didn't

1:42:15even have a heavy bag, which I thought was crazy.

1:42:18Like we would go and do these things where we'd have our team would go

1:42:23and train with another team.

1:42:24Like we would travel to New York and there was like another, an instructor that

1:42:28was friends with our instructor.

1:42:30And they would bring the competition teams to compete against each other.

1:42:33And we'd fight in a gym.

1:42:34So it was like these unsanctioned fights that you would have.

1:42:37And, you know, you'd find people that were roughly your weight.

1:42:39And these guys didn't have heavy bags.

1:42:41And you'd go to their gym.

1:42:43They have like a, you know, strip mall type gym.

1:42:45And there was, in their dojang, they didn't have a heavy bag.

1:42:48I was like, this is crazy.

1:42:49You guys don't train with heavy bags?

1:42:51And it didn't make any sense to me.

1:42:53They had kicking paddles and a bunch of different things.

1:42:55But they didn't have anything to improve thrusting techniques and stabbing techniques, which is like

1:43:01you need resistance. You need a heavy bag.

1:43:02And so our instructor was adamant about, like, if you can't hurt somebody badly with

1:43:10one kick, you're doing the wrong thing.

1:43:13These techniques were originally designed for war.

1:43:16And you're supposed to be able to have devastating power in everything you throw.

1:43:21That got lost a little when Taekwondo got into the Olympics or when it was

1:43:25on the path to getting into the Olympics.

1:43:27And it became more of like point scoring.

1:43:30They would try to hit you and run away, hit you and run away.

1:43:33And it was a lot of, like, fast -moving techniques that didn't have the same

1:43:37sort of devastating impact. So I got real lucky in where I trained is that

1:43:42they really emphasized power. And so the school that I was at was very feared

1:43:47because a lot of the other black belts were, like, the guys that I trained

1:43:50with were fucking really dangerous.

1:43:52Like, they were known for when they would go to a tournament, people would get

1:43:56scared. Because if these guys hit you, you're in trouble.

1:44:01Like, these were dangerous cats, you know, that were, like, just wheel -kicking people into

1:44:07another dimension, turning side -kicking people and crushing ribcages.

1:44:11It was a lot of that.

1:44:12And so I got real lucky that that's the gym that I started in, that

1:44:16I started with, like, you know, you imitate your atmosphere.

1:44:20The first guy that I ever saw hit a bag was this guy John Lee.

1:44:23And when I saw him, he was the national Taekwondo light heavyweight champion.

1:44:27And he was competing. He was training to compete in the World Games.

1:44:31So he was about to go to, I guess it was the World Cup.

1:44:34And he was in full training mode, like, the moment I walked into the gym.

1:44:37And I watched him fold this heavy bag.

1:44:40And as I was going up the stairs, I could hear the sound of it.

1:44:43I was just visiting this gym.

1:44:45I was leaving a baseball game at Fenway Park.

1:44:48And me and my friend just walked up the stairs just because we didn't want

1:44:51to wait for the tea.

1:44:52It took so long for so many people leaving the baseball game.

1:44:55There was going to be big lines.

1:44:56It was going to be packed.

1:44:56I said, let's just walk up here and see what's going on.

1:44:58And as we were walking up the stairs, I heard this sound that I'll never

1:45:02forget. It was like, whomp, ka -ching, whomp, ka -ching.

1:45:08And the ka -ching was the chains of the heavy bag.

1:45:11Because this 120 -pound bag was flying through the air when this guy would hit

1:45:16it. And the chains were going ka -ching and rattling.

1:45:20And then it would come down.

1:45:21And he would set it up again.

1:45:22And he was 7, 10 feet from me.

1:45:26Like, there was this, like, little ledge where you could sit and watch people.

1:45:28And they had set it up like that so the heavy bag was set up

1:45:32right where people would walk in.

1:45:33Because it was a great recruitment tool.

1:45:35Because you would really get to see what people are capable of.

1:45:38And the moment I saw that, I was like, I want to know how to

1:45:42do that. Like, how do you do that?

1:45:43Like, he was doing spinning back kicks over and over again, turning side kicks.

1:45:48Just folding this fucking bag and that.

1:45:50But, like, that's crazy that a person could generate.

1:45:53I didn't think a person could generate that kind of force.

1:45:56And I trained with him a lot.

1:45:58And I learned from him a lot.

1:46:00He taught me a lot.

1:46:01He taught me a lot.

1:46:01It's He was an interesting guy, too, because he was like a real street guy,

1:46:05like he'd been in and out of jail, wound up having a substance problem, but

1:46:09it was this funny dude from Chelsea, which was like a real hard, dangerous neighborhood

1:46:15in Boston, and just a fucking killer, man, a killer, just a killer.

1:46:22And when he would compete, people would get so nervous.

1:46:26It was crazy to watch, because I started training with him and going to tournaments

1:46:30with him when I was a white belt.

1:46:32So I was a white belt, and he was a black belt national champion.

1:46:35And when John Lee would show up, you'd see people whispering, like, fuck, John Lee's

1:46:38here. You would see guys take these deep breaths, because they knew he was in

1:46:42their weight class, like, fuck, fuck, because they knew this guy wasn't trying to win

1:46:48on points. He was trying to break your body.

1:46:51He was trying to just crush your organs.

1:46:53He was trying to separate your fucking brain from the inside of its skull.

1:46:58He was trying to hurt you, and he did it to a lot of people.

1:47:01I watched him knock out a lot of people, a lot of people.

1:47:05It was wild to see.

1:47:08So, like, you know, but to me it was just like this new thing that

1:47:13was going to change who I am.

1:47:15You know, I went for the first time in my life, I felt like I

1:47:19wasn't a loser. Because I was, like, really good at this thing that was scary,

1:47:24you know, and I just threw myself into it.

1:47:25It was my whole life.

1:47:27I didn't do anything. I didn't party.

1:47:29I didn't go to – I had very few friends outside of high school, you

1:47:33know. It was – my whole thing was just training.

1:47:36I'd get home from school, get something to eat, immediately leave, hop on the train,

1:47:40head into town every day.

1:47:42That was, like, 15? Yeah.

1:47:43Yeah. Yeah, from, like, the summer of my freshman year of high school.

1:47:48That's when I first started.

1:47:50Right, like, when I graduated from high school in my freshman year, I started training.

1:47:57And it was nuts. It was just, like, this complete new life.

1:48:00It was so weird. And then competing, like, traveling around competing.

1:48:05First it was, like, a white belt, then a blue belt, then wicker my way

1:48:08up, purple belt. And then all of a sudden – in Taekwondo, red belt is

1:48:12brown belt. Right. And then black belt.

1:48:15And then my instructor was crazy.

1:48:17He would let me compete as a black belt before I was a black belt.

1:48:20He let me compete in the men's division when I was 16.

1:48:24Yeah, it was nuts. Holy shit.

1:48:27Yeah. It was just they – if they thought you had potential, they'd just throw

1:48:31you right into the flames.

1:48:32Like, let's see. Let's see what you could do.

1:48:35So the confidence it gives you, right?

1:48:37It's, like, finding something that you're good at.

1:48:40Yeah. To validate the fact.

1:48:41I realized – well, all of a sudden I got obsessed with something where I

1:48:45never had really worked hard at anything in my life.

1:48:47And then I had abs.

1:48:48I was, like, this is crazy.

1:48:50Like, I look at myself in the mirror.

1:48:51I had abs. All of a sudden I had muscles everywhere.

1:48:54I was, like, this is nuts.

1:48:55Because you're going through puberty.

1:48:56Right. So you're this doughy little fucking kid, this scrawny, doughy little kid that never

1:49:01did any sports other than baseball.

1:49:03And then all of a sudden I'm shredded and I know how to fuck people

1:49:06up. And then I was doing it to, like, live humans all over the country,

1:49:10like, traveling everywhere. We traveled.

1:49:13That's all we did. We just traveled.

1:49:14So how does that go from – how do you go from there, though?

1:49:17Like, why or how did you go, I'm going to go do stand -up?

1:49:22Like, what was the – what was that?

1:49:25It was really my friends.

1:49:26Really? It was really – yeah, my friend Steve Graham, who I'm still friends with

1:49:29to this day, who was a real maniac.

1:49:31He was on the U .S.

1:49:32ski team. He was a flight pilot with the Navy – or not a flight

1:49:39pilot, a flight surgeon with the Navy.

1:49:41He was an ophthalmologist. Like, insanely hardworking guy.

1:49:45Like, unbelievably disciplined. And he got into Taekwondo while he was a doctor, you know,

1:49:52while he was an ophthalmologist.

1:49:53I mean, he's a maniac to this day.

1:49:55This dude's had, like – he's still a good friend.

1:49:56He's had, like, 70 fucking surgeries.

1:49:58He's had his knees replaced, still trained, still spars.

1:50:01Still trained. Yeah. Yeah. He's, like, in his 60s now.

1:50:03He's a fucking nut. And so he's like, hey, you're funny.

1:50:05You should go do this?

1:50:06We would go to tournaments, and when we would go to tournaments or when we'd

1:50:10have sparring days in particular, everybody was super nervous.

1:50:14It was very dangerous. And so I would be the one who would break the

1:50:19ice. I would be the one who would make fun of everybody and do impressions

1:50:23of everybody. And I always was cracking everybody up, and it was a captive audience.

1:50:28Right, right. And everyone was looking for, like, relief from the fact that there was

1:50:33this – like, we would be on a bus headed to, like, Poughkeepsie, New York

1:50:36to go compete in a tournament.

1:50:37And I would be the one on the bus, like, making fun of everything, just

1:50:40cracking everybody up. And my friend Steve said, you should be a stand -up.

1:50:44You should try it. You should just try it.

1:50:46And I'd be like, look, you think I'm funny because you like me.

1:50:49Right, right. Other people are going to think I'm an asshole.

1:50:51Like, my sense of humor was very dark.

1:50:54It was very crazy back then because I was living a crazy life.

1:50:58And then did an open mic night, and then I said, I think I might

1:51:02be able to do this.

1:51:04Did you bomb, like, straight away?

1:51:05Oh, yeah. No, I didn't do well.

1:51:07I got a couple of laughs.

1:51:09Like, ha, ha, ha. It wasn't good.

1:51:10Right. But everybody sucked. Do you remember any of the jokes that you rolled out

1:51:15with? Here's my impression of a good -looking girl getting pulled over by the cops.

1:51:18Do you realize how fast you were going?

1:51:19No, do you like my tits?

1:51:21Yes, I do. Here's a warning.

1:51:23It was terrible. It was so bad.

1:51:25It was so bad. I had so many bad jokes.

1:51:29But I also realized, like, everybody sucks in the beginning.

1:51:33And then I thought back to martial arts.

1:51:34I'd go, oh, this is, like, everything.

1:51:36Right. Like, if you start off, you suck.

1:51:39Like, everything in the whole thing is, like, getting better at this thing you suck

1:51:43at. Which is, like, I had this guy, Tommy Woods, Dr.

1:51:47Tommy Woods. We were talking about new things, about the value in terms of, like,

1:51:52people that acquire dementia. And one of the best ways to, like, to keep your

1:51:55brain fresh is do new things.

1:51:58Do things that you're not good at and learn how to do them and get

1:52:00better at. And I think I had sort of just applied what I had learned

1:52:04from martial arts because, obviously, I wasn't good at martial arts when I started.

1:52:08I was terrible. Everybody's terrible.

1:52:09You don't know what you're doing.

1:52:10And then you realize, like, oh, through repetitive effort, concentration, focus, discipline.

1:52:16you're gonna get better it's a path and so I was like oh this is

1:52:19a new thing but it's also a new thing filled with other misfits because I

1:52:24was a misfit right and it's like oh well these comedians are misfits too they

1:52:28didn't have regular rules they always wanted to smoke pot and drink beer and you

1:52:32know they stayed up late and they slept late and they're they were just maniacs

1:52:36I was like okay I could hang out with these people like regular people that

1:52:40wanted a regular job scare the shit out of me because I don't want to

1:52:43get sucked into your drone like frequency I can't live I've I tried regular jobs

1:52:49like this is not going to work for me I'm too ADD HD whatever the

1:52:54fuck it is whatever it is I got it I'm like I can't do this

1:52:56but those people were misfits there were these weird renegade and occasionally professionals would go

1:53:03up and you'd realize like wow this guy's a master like the mastery he has

1:53:08of like concepts and jokes and tricking you into thinking one thing and then he

1:53:12hits you with another thing like god and the smoothness of it all it just

1:53:16became an obsession do you remember the guy that like there's one guy teddy bergeron

1:53:21there's this guy who had been on the tonight show and he unfortunately developed a

1:53:25substance problem which uh a lot of people do and I think some of it

1:53:31is just the pressure of stand -up and the pressure of fame and the pressure

1:53:34of constantly performing and and then it's just also like just living that dirtbag life

1:53:39where you're just like you could do whatever you want it doesn't matter do coke

1:53:43you know and they're just doing coke and like there was clubs that would pay

1:53:46you in coke what yeah they would yeah yeah yeah Nick's Comedy Stop would offer

1:53:50you cocaine or cash in the 1980s yeah I I can see that I can

1:53:57see how I can see how this this thing becomes super addicting and this is

1:54:02like your dirtbag life right it's the it's that same parallel we're talking about where

1:54:06it's like this becomes the rock that you're climbing every day because this is the

1:54:10audience that you have to entertain it becomes about getting better honing a craft like

1:54:14and ultimately succeeding with the crowd right in front of you and they're giving you

1:54:20the feedback like that's very similar like you're either getting higher on the rock or

1:54:24you're falling off and so the falling off was important because the bombings would really

1:54:29teach you you didn't want that so what was it about the bomb like what

1:54:34did you how did you bomb what did you do wrong what went wrong what's

1:54:38wrong with your material what's wrong like are you being lazy in the way you're

1:54:41setting things out like what are you doing wrong and then figuring it out because

1:54:44that pain of bombing was so like sometimes it's bad to do well a bunch

1:54:49of times because you need to get relaxed like you can't be relaxed like you

1:54:53have to like constantly grinding at it you have to constantly be taking that fucking

1:54:57thing apart and trying to figure out what how to make it better the guys

1:55:01like uh like andy kaufman right that would go out and they had a whole

1:55:04shtick and nobody understood what the fuck they were doing that's a different thing it

1:55:09but it's a different thing wild like it is wild because it's almost an intentional

1:55:13you're bombing intentionally but it's funny you're you got to like stretch it out a

1:55:19little bit to understand what what's going on and it's a different individual psychology it's

1:55:25a different thing he's doing a different thing my criticism of that i don't really

1:55:29have a criticism maybe that's the wrong word because i think kaufman was brilliant he

1:55:34was brilliant on taxi he was an interesting character the shit he did with pro

1:55:38wrestling was just bananas bananas it was wrestling women fucking mania it was so wild

1:55:43it was great yeah it was so great but he never was a great comic

1:55:47right like see if if shane gillis decided to go that path and just bomb

1:55:53on purpose that would be almost more interesting right like here's a guy who knows

1:55:59how to kill he's a real comic and one of the funniest guys ever yeah

1:56:05and then he starts saying do it playing the theme to mighty mouse and just

1:56:09repeating here i come to save the day like this is what andy kaufman did

1:56:13he would play have a record player and just play the mighty mouse theme song

1:56:17and just repeat here i come to save the day and everybody's like what the

1:56:20fuck is going on like it was like this weird mind fuck that he was

1:56:24doing with everybody but he never did the other thing right right he never like

1:56:28really entertained and killed like all the evidence of andy kaufman is of him doing

1:56:33this weird stuff which again it's not really a criticism right but he was doing

1:56:38a different thing he was an odd guy who saw this thing and he was

1:56:42like i think i can get in there and do something completely disruptive right i

1:56:48can see that like it's it's very distinctly different nothing wrong with it i loved

1:56:52it i love especially the wrestling stuff but it's not my favorite like if i

1:56:56had someone told me andy kaufman's performing in this room over here but dave attell

1:57:01is in that room over there i'm going to see dave attell i want to

1:57:04go see the master laugh yeah i'm gonna laugh and i'm gonna see a guy

1:57:08at the top of his craft that's doing this hypnosis on everybody and and you're

1:57:14just leave there your size hurt and you're dying you don't leave there going what

1:57:18the fuck was that like but he wanted people to leave there and go what

1:57:21the fuck was that yeah that was the magic of andy kaufman but it's just

1:57:25not my you know like i don't like jazz you know i don't want to

1:57:29go see jazz it's hard to like it's i think it's kind of cool background

1:57:32music but i'm not leaving the house to go see jazz but i know people

1:57:36who fucking love it like so if you think back to taxi like i was

1:57:40thinking about this the other day with like danny devito and taxi like that guy's

1:57:45still going like it's incredible man i know like i was and it just like

1:57:49a snippet of taxi came up and i was like holy shit how old is

1:57:53danny devito he's 150 000 years old like tony danz has long since retired holy

1:57:58shit like that guy just keeps going and he looked old in taxi is judd

1:58:02her still alive i don't know that's a good question i don't know like that

1:58:07was a great show it was a great show that was a great show wasn't

1:58:11he's 90 yeah is mary lou henner was taxi too right wasn't she on taxi

1:58:16mary lou henner you know she has that crazy mind thing where she remembers everything

1:58:22seriously everything you can give her a date and she could tell you like 1973

1:58:30right you know right you know February 2nd she'll tell you what day it was

1:58:32she can tell you what happened on that day she can tell you news things

1:58:37she can tell you what she was doing that day she she has like not

1:58:42just a photographic member memory but a complete recall of all events and dates I

1:58:47forget what the term is superior autobiographical memory ability oh my god yeah can remember

1:58:52almost every day of her life since she was 11.

1:58:55isn't that nuts that's amazing and she's got to be 70 years old right 73

1:59:00yeah she remembers everything the funny thing is is devito's still funny like like he's

1:59:06still funny like I mean like the the way that it he lands jokes I

1:59:11mean always sunny oh how many seasons of that like 20 now I don't know

1:59:16but I mean it's funny fucking like things has he done I don't know taxi

1:59:21to oh taxi was when I was a boy yeah to always sunny that was

1:59:26the thing my dad used to watch yeah and like my dad seems old my

1:59:29dad's 80 years old right my dad used to watch that how old's Danny DeVito

1:59:3381 still banging it out still fucking killing it man still funny yeah I mean

1:59:39how old's I'm not trying to equate Ron White to Danny but I'm saying like

1:59:43how old's Ron because he's still killing it 70 yeah 70 yeah like I was

1:59:48watching him the other night and you know he flew back from where he was

1:59:52and he just like came in and and stood up there and did a set

1:59:55like he just kind of like walked in yeah it felt like he was just

1:59:58like I'm here I'm just gonna stop in and do this and then he fucking

2:00:02killed seamlessly just it was perfect he's good he's better I think than he's ever

2:00:09been right now I've never like like watching somebody that's great and then watching somebody

2:00:15that's in another dimension like him specifically because he's perfect like it just it's absolutely

2:00:22perfect because it comes off it's unforced it's a conversation like he's just having a

2:00:27conversation with the crowd yeah like it's so incredible to watch somebody that can be

2:00:33perfect in their delivery but then be completely unassuming in the way that they're delivering

2:00:40it like yeah like it's just a natural conversation like I had it casual yeah

2:00:44it's completely casual casual killing you don't even feel like you're in like you're you're

2:00:50watching a stand -up comedian you feel like you're watching somebody talk and you know

2:00:54that it's coming you think that it's coming and you he still fucking delivers it

2:01:00with just a level of exceptionalism you're like fuck man like well the guy's incredible

2:01:04yeah I think it's one of those things we keep working at it you just

2:01:07keep getting better and also he stopped drinking so he stopped drinking a couple years

2:01:11ago and that changed everything he got lost a ton of weight got way more

2:01:15focused but you know he had been going hard for decades and his doctor had

2:01:22to pull him aside and go hey man you're gonna die are all those guys

2:01:26still still like all the blue collar comedy tour guys are they still are they

2:01:31still all doing it Foxworthy still does stand up I think he did stand up

2:01:35recently with Ron he'll but I don't think he tours a lot I don't know

2:01:39about Larry the cable guy I don't hear about him anymore right I don't hear

2:01:43about the other guy Bill Engvall you don't hear much about him anymore I think

2:01:46out of all them Ron is the guy who's still but out of all them

2:01:50it was like Jeff Fox was a great comic and then you know I think

2:01:54in my opinion Ron was the best Ron's just a master but also Ron is

2:02:00he loves it man like he was there last night he's he performs all the

2:02:05time he's always down he's he always like I always get text messages from him

2:02:10when I have shows he wants to come and do a set it's like he

2:02:12he lives for it man he's constantly writing he's constantly working on it like that's

2:02:17his thing man he enjoys the shit out of it still tours still does the

2:02:22road does better than ever sells out everywhere and you're getting the best show out

2:02:26of Ron that you've ever gotten out of him he's right he's better now I

2:02:29think that he's ever been yeah I really believe that and it's crazy that at

2:02:3370 he's still getting better his material just keeps getting better and it's always working

2:02:38at it he's always working at it you know yeah that that the whole thing

2:02:42about LA or whatever he did he just it it sounded like he pulled that

2:02:46out of his ass on stage he was just telling a story about being on

2:02:51a flight and you're like holy shit he's just telling me a story he was

2:02:54in the back room of the comedy store one night with his back bar and

2:02:58we were hanging out and uh we were drinking this back in Ron's drinking days

2:03:01and we're having a couple glasses of whiskey and then uh Ron starts telling the

2:03:06story about how when he was uh stationed in Hawaii he goes there's this place

2:03:11you can go and you know it's a bunch of hookers you get your dick

2:03:14sucked for like 20 bucks man I was there every fucking day and he goes

2:03:18then all these years later I was watching a news story and all these transvestite

2:03:25hookers were getting rounded up in the very area where I used to go every

2:03:32day and I realized oh my god I got my dick sucked about a hundred

2:03:36times by men and he was telling this this fucking hilarious bit he wasn't a

2:03:42bit he was just telling us this story we were dying I go do you

2:03:44have you ever said this on stage he goes no fuck no I go you

2:03:48should tell that on stage I go Ron that's hilarious I go we were dying

2:03:53laughing I mean it was like it was a bit but it was just him

2:03:56telling a story just no intention right I've ever seen yeah yeah we're in the

2:04:01back room he goes from the back room onto the stage in the OR the

2:04:06original room he walks down the hallway I go with him he goes on stage

2:04:09he goes let me tell you a story about how I got my dick sucked

2:04:13about 100 times by men he just goes into the story it fucking murders murders

2:04:23like like it had been a polished bit that he had been working on for

2:04:27years it was just a story but Ron is a great storyteller like a natural

2:04:33storyteller like if he's not trying to be funny he's funny yeah he doesn't have

2:04:38to like think about it it's like it's a he's just got his personality man

2:04:43he just he's just cool yeah it's like that that um iconic western almost a

2:04:49western storyteller like the guy that you would expect sitting at the campfire at hunting

2:04:54camp it's the the old you know guide that's been around the 100 years like

2:05:00he's killed thousands of animals he's packed shit out and then he's got these stories

2:05:05that you can't hope but listen to yeah and that's what he reminds me of

2:05:10i'm like man this guy is so fucking perfect and every time i see him

2:05:15i'm like holy shit that's that's yeah that's the guy he's an old master you

2:05:20know it's uh there's not a lot of humans like that guy he's the main

2:05:25reason why i was interested in moving to austin he was the first reason because

2:05:31i knew ron had already lived here ron was already moved here ron moved here

2:05:34in 2018 okay and so uh he just got tired of it he kept a

2:05:38place in beverly hills and we come visit us at the comedy store sometimes but

2:05:42i was talking to him on the phone he's like man i fucking love it

2:05:45here he goes there's no hollywood bullshit he goes if i want to fly somewhere

2:05:49to work i'm in the center of the country it's easy to get anywhere people

2:05:53are nice food's great and he goes you're just not around and i kept thinking

2:05:57man can i live in austin like i always liked austin and right on it

2:06:01was out here so when i would come out here for work every now and

2:06:04then and i'd always come out here and love doing stand -up here i was

2:06:07like like that planted the first seed and then when the pandemic hit ron was

2:06:12already here and when i came out here to look at houses and and stuff

2:06:17in this is in may of 2020 so this is only a couple months into

2:06:21the lockdown but i had already had enough i was like i'm getting the fuck

2:06:24out of here like i knew these cocksuckers in la were never going to give

2:06:29up the kind of control and power that they had over people's lives they get

2:06:32off on it those fucking weirdos and so i was like well at least ron

2:06:36will be there like i'll hang out with ron like even if i never do

2:06:39stand up again at least ron will be here and then you know ron was

2:06:43also the guy who convinced me that i have to open up a club i

2:06:47had had a thought in my head and i was thinking about doing it we

2:06:49talked about doing it and then ron went on stage for the first time in

2:06:52like six months it was in november of 2020 and then he grabs me by

2:06:57my shoulders when he got off stage because he fucking murdered first of all when

2:07:01he went on stage they went crazy and there's a giant standing ovation because there

2:07:05was no indoor shows anywhere else uh near there it was like we were doing

2:07:09it at the vulcan they had some shows they were doing at cap city before

2:07:13cap city went under but they were like separating everybody by like 20 feet or

2:07:17some stupid shit like as if the virus can't go through the air it was

2:07:20dumb right everything was dumb but the vulcan was just like unhinged it was packed

2:07:25i was like this is so crazy this is just super spreader party and ron

2:07:29went on stage and he had gone over his notes and material and wasn't even

2:07:34sure he was thinking he was retired he was talking about retiring i think i'm

2:07:38retired did this one set and then he grabs him by the shoulders he goes

2:07:42whatever the fuck we have to do we're gonna keep doing this just he goes

2:07:46you gotta open up that club okay we're gonna open up the club and then

2:07:50we started looking for locations like right afterwards so like ron was a key force

2:07:55he's the godfather of the austin comedy movement like where this became like this big

2:08:01hub it started with ron 100 because i know if he was here if he

2:08:06was here at least i'd have my friend i could go hang out right like

2:08:10because like even if i couldn't do stand -up again just i need someone who's

2:08:13just a renegade i need a dude i can hang out with that's just that's

2:08:18a real comic that we're gonna have fun we could just talk shit and laugh

2:08:21and well who would you hang out with when you're in la him him him

2:08:25when he was there until 2018 always but of course joey diaz yeah and you

2:08:29know when the pandemic hit joey moved to new jersey he's like fuck this place

2:08:32and you know he he was on the same things as me fuck these people

2:08:35this is and he always wanted to go back home to new jersey which was

2:08:39you know where he's from and then uh duncan moved to north carolina like everybody

2:08:45moved out but it was like duncan i hung out with duncan segura ari uh

2:08:51burt all those people that were you know the mainstays at the comedy store it

2:08:55was just there was a an amazing crew tony hinchcliffe of course yeah and tony

2:08:59was one of the first guys to move out here too with me and then

2:09:02segura moved out here and then everybody moved out here just like this wave started

2:09:06is there anybody that you're like we started with like back in the day like

2:09:10because you're what boston like was there anybody you started with that you're still like

2:09:14yeah fitz simmons we're real tight greg fitz simmons started one week uh i think

2:09:20i started a week after him or before him something like that but we're separated

2:09:25by one week oh seriously yeah we did open mics together we traveled around together

2:09:29we did road we would drive 90 minutes to do five minutes for free yeah

2:09:33we would drive to rhode island to stand up for free we traveled all over

2:09:37the the all over new england we did road gigs together yeah we came up

2:09:42together we had so much fun we just went no money no career no even

2:09:47thought of one day having a career the the goal was i want to be

2:09:52able to make a living doing comedy because we knew that there was guys in

2:09:56town that were headliners they could you know grind out 100 grand 50 grand whatever

2:10:00it is a year only doing comedy they didn't have to do anything else i

2:10:04was like that's the dream imagine if you could pay your bills with comedy right

2:10:09the idea of a career was like no we never even talked about it because

2:10:14everybody in boston stayed in boston nobody left and other than like steven wright and

2:10:19jay leno there's like a few people that had kind of air quotes made it

2:10:23you know during that time period and left boston right the goal in boston was

2:10:28just to be a good comic was a real interesting thing because it was a

2:10:32real artist colony in in a in the most unpretentious of ways because these guys

2:10:37were all coke snorting whiskey drinking psychopaths and a lot of them were big guys

2:10:44like these big football player looking dudes who were just animals and they were just

2:10:49wild men you know and they they had this life that was so envious to

2:10:54me i was like god to be so free or all you have to do

2:10:58is just tell jokes you know I don't have to ever show up at the

2:11:01fucking, the newspaper depot to deliver newspapers or drive, I was driving limos and doing

2:11:07construction gigs. I didn't have to do any of that.

2:11:08You could just do comedy.

2:11:10And that was me and Greg.

2:11:12We would just drive around just thinking like one day, imagine being able to make

2:11:16a living doing this. That was the only goal.

2:11:21And then we both wound up event.

2:11:23He moved to New York for a bit and I lived in New York for

2:11:25a while. And then I moved to L .A.

2:11:27and then he eventually moved to L .A.

2:11:28as well. And now he's still there.

2:11:31He's still back in L .A.

2:11:33Gosh, I can't imagine, man, like living there and staying there even for even professionally.

2:11:40Did you see what they just did to the guys that won the Super Bowl?

2:11:44You see the jock tax?

2:11:45Yeah. Jamie, you see the jock tax?

2:11:47Yeah, it's not a new thing, though.

2:11:49I understand. It's not. I understand.

2:11:51But it is, it's specific to California.

2:11:54And this jock tax in California, there were, some of the players lost money playing

2:12:02in the Super Bowl. They had a payment.

2:12:04Oh, no, no, it is true.

2:12:05I don't think so. No, no, it is true.

2:12:07I went through A .I.

2:12:08last night. No, it was in, they pulled it up on Grok and people analyzed

2:12:13it. And it's based, no, no, Jamie.

2:12:16It's based, Jamie. It's based on the seven days that they had to be there.

2:12:21So you have to pay a fee based on the seven days dependent upon what

2:12:25your salary is. They played a game there in January, though, too.

2:12:30Okay. Maybe this year. Okay, whatever.

2:12:33The Super Bowl, specifically, these guys, Jamie's so funny.

2:12:38I know, but this is one of those things that's not real.

2:12:40What do you mean it's not real?

2:12:41I told you it was run through A .I.

2:12:44last night. He made $178 ,000 for the Super Bowl.

2:12:48He had to pay $249 ,000 in tax.

2:12:52I'm pretty sure those are the numbers.

2:12:54And it's based on the fact that he was there for seven days.

2:12:57So it's a percentage of your income over the course of a year.

2:13:00So if he makes $2 million a year and he's there for seven days, this

2:13:04is how much money you have to pay.

2:13:06Gotcha. And so the Super Bowl pay is not, it's like on top of your

2:13:11normal salary. Right. Right. So it actually cost him money to play in the Super

2:13:15Bowl. So he made $178 ,000.

2:13:18But because he's there for seven days, he had to pay $200 ,000.

2:13:23Did you watch it? No.

2:13:25No. I was going to watch it just for Bad Bunny, just because everybody was

2:13:28so pissed off. I thought it was hilarious.

2:13:31This guy's like, what do you fucking care?

2:13:33It's like this weird culture war that this guy is singing.

2:13:39Objectively, people that saw it said it was a great show.

2:13:41I don't know. I'll take their word for it.

2:13:44Somebody was telling me the other day, they're like, oh, are you going to watch

2:13:46the Super Bowl? I'm like, what?

2:13:48Super Bowl? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's sports.

2:13:50Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I was halfway through it or whatever.

2:13:54I'm like, I have no idea what's going on, man.

2:13:57I got other shit. If it's your team, I get it.

2:14:00It was the Patriots. I could root for the Patriots.

2:14:03But it's like, I'm busy.

2:14:07If it's on, like at an airport or something, I'll watch it.

2:14:11But I'm not going out of my way.

2:14:12I'm not going to be like, hey, let's go watch football.

2:14:14If Rodgers was playing, I'd watch it.

2:14:16Maybe I'd even go if Aaron was playing.

2:14:18But it's like, it's so hard to go from combat sports to regular sports for

2:14:24me. Oh, God. It's so hard.

2:14:26It's so hard. The UFC last Saturday was fucking spectacular.

2:14:30Oh, my God. And it was a small one in the Apex Center.

2:14:33And it was there were some incredible fights.

2:14:36It was so good. It's like that to me is like, um, I don't have

2:14:39a lot of time for entertainment.

2:14:41That fills it all up.

2:14:43Yeah, that fight, like, I mean, Saturday was, like, incredible.

2:14:48Yeah. That was incredible. Yeah.

2:14:50The Mario Bautista performance was fucking insane.

2:14:53He's so good. That guy just keeps getting better.

2:14:56He looks like a world champion.

2:14:57And it's like, you watch combat sports and the consequences are so grave.

2:15:02What they're doing, the dedication, this moment, you train for months and months for this

2:15:08one moment when this referee is like, fighter one, you ready?

2:15:12Fighter two, you ready? Let's go.

2:15:14And it's, whew, here we go.

2:15:15That to me is the most exciting thing in all sports.

2:15:18And it'll never stop being that to me.

2:15:20I love it. So football's fun.

2:15:22I like it. I've been to some UT games.

2:15:24UT games are fucking great.

2:15:26They're fun. Well, this is, like, the state, right?

2:15:30Yeah. I mean, this is not only, like, the state pastime, but people are, like,

2:15:34grown up. Mm -hmm. They're completely modeled to go play Texas football.

2:15:39Yeah. I mean, this is, like, the icon of Texas sports.

2:15:42Yeah. And it's just the enthusiasm for the crowd is nuts.

2:15:46I got to shoot the cannon once.

2:15:47Why don't they let me shoot the cannon off?

2:15:49Yeah. What? That was pretty cool.

2:15:53It's fun being on the field and seeing these guys warm up and get ready

2:15:57and then watching the game.

2:15:58Nighttime games are the best.

2:15:59They're nuts, man. And then, of course, they do the jet flyover, which is like,

2:16:04America! You're flying over fighter jets over a football game.

2:16:09It's like, why? That doesn't happen anywhere else.

2:16:11They don't do that anywhere else.

2:16:12They never do that for a fight, fly fighter jets over.

2:16:15That'd be cool, though. It would be.

2:16:16They should start. Maybe Daniel will get it.

2:16:19Yeah. Maybe they could do it at the Sphere and have, like, the roof of

2:16:21the Sphere. Like, show the jets as they pass over.

2:16:24Maybe they'll do it at the White House, UFC.

2:16:26They probably will. I would imagine.

2:16:29Well, they're probably going to have air presence.

2:16:30I mean, how dangerous is that card going to be?

2:16:33Oh, my gosh. In terms of, like, if you wanted to have some sort of

2:16:36a disruptive event, that's the spot.

2:16:39At the White House and you're having cage fights.

2:16:42And I'm not even convinced that it's going to happen because with all the crazy

2:16:45shit going on in the world, who knows what happens between now and June when

2:16:50this is supposed to pop off, like, who knows?

2:16:52Who knows what goes down between now?

2:16:55Who knows what fucking happens with all this Epstein file shit?

2:16:58It just keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier and deeper and deeper.

2:17:02And so Ro Khanna and Massey just released the names of these guys that had

2:17:08been redacted from the list.

2:17:11And one of them is Lex Weck.

2:17:13What is this? last name less less wexner right who's the ceo of uh victoria

2:17:20secrets is he the ceo or the owner former ceo but former both former owner

2:17:26ceo of victoria secrets he's being named as a co -conspirator yes yeah so he's

2:17:33being named along with glane maxwell and jeffrey epstein he because you know he runs

2:17:39this modeling victoria secrets hot girls the whole deal somehow or another he's involved in

2:17:45this and they had redacted his name up until now right sure yeah uh that

2:17:50i well two things i don't think anybody the his existence as a co -conspirator

2:17:56isn't new information but it's confirmed now right it was people i think are up

2:18:01in arms is that it wasn't supposed to be blocked out from the file exactly

2:18:04he's uh not a victim right he's not a victim so why was his name

2:18:08right right and so they got it unredacted and now he's being named i think

2:18:13he's the fun the funder of most of it is what it's what right so

2:18:16people knew that there was something going on but he had gifted jeffrey epstein this

2:18:21insane house in manhattan so this is like a 60 million dollar house in manhattan

2:18:28you know the house where you go into it and you see bill clinton in

2:18:31a dress you know that picture that we have out in the lobby yeah that's

2:18:34from the foyer of his house right that jeffrey epstein was gifted by les wexner

2:18:41by the way whitney webb posted on her twitter about les wexner being a sex

2:18:52trafficker a child sex trafficker in 2020 see if you find that like that that

2:19:00crazy chick is right about everything the one she was kidnapped or she was claimed

2:19:06she was kidnapped it was in his house in new albany where columbus like she

2:19:10was she claimed she was being held there for i don't know two weeks or

2:19:14something like doing art she called her dad to try to get out of there

2:19:18or something like that oh jesus yeah and that's like his involvement is in like

2:19:22brand new information this was in columbus ohio new albany is where all the like

2:19:26that's where his house is the giant it's the biggest house in ohio i think

2:19:30it's a suburb of columbus it'd be like west lake to right right right people

2:19:38think he's still there that's where epstein's living but that's not accurate well the people

2:19:41that think he's alive i think they think he's in israel don't they well there's

2:19:45definitely i think i think they're ai photos they might not be oh i saw

2:19:49that yeah people think he's been seen or spotted around town wouldn't you think he'd

2:19:53get some surgery you would think that he would have to yeah like he's probably

2:19:58one of the most recognizable faces in the world at this point yeah after so

2:20:02much air time you'd have to get some surgery if you wanted to still i

2:20:06mean how would we how would you keep that this is the tweet your reminder

2:20:11that leslie wexner financed the mass rape and trafficking of thousands of american children for

2:20:17over a decade and right now he is sitting in a 26k square foot mansion

2:20:23in new albany ohio thinking that he is above the law she tweeted this in

2:20:28april 28 of 2020 how crazy is that holy shit she's like the the most

2:20:37prolific of all the conspiracy theories the most well -read the one with the most

2:20:43recall the one that's the most quoted i don't know how she's so good and

2:20:52what her background is how she finds all this information and but she's always way

2:20:56ahead of all this stuff yeah i mean 2020 that's crazy fucking way ahead of

2:21:02everybody crazy bro but but these files just what's come out so far and the

2:21:11fact that they redacted men these like powerful billionaire guys their names were redacted like

2:21:19there's one of them where there's where he's talking about pandemic planning what where jeffrey

2:21:25epstein is talking about pandemic planning to someone named bill whose name is redacted it's

2:21:33like why are you redacting the guy's name that you're talking about planning for a

2:21:38pandemic like what to do in response to a pandemic why is his name retracted

2:21:44so redacted rather when are when are when are they supposed to testify when are

2:21:49the clinton supposed to testify would you say they're gonna two weeks yeah i think

2:21:54it's the last two days do you say the aliens are coming in the next

2:21:56two weeks they're gonna land i think something's gonna happen yeah before that testifying yeah

2:22:02it'll be we bomb iran aliens show up maybe at the same time yeah fuck

2:22:10outside of this because this i mean obviously this conspiracy it's not a theory anymore

2:22:15right because you're they're connecting the networks they're like yeah exposing a lot of this

2:22:21like when you look at your your total conspiracy catalog of things that you like

2:22:25to dive into outside of aliens because everybody knows that what are your other ones

2:22:29that you like well aliens is the most fun one yeah this is the one

2:22:32that i hate the most yeah because this one scares the shit out of me

2:22:35because the fear of you know we talked about this yesterday with roger avery the

2:22:40fear of these like literally demonic human beings that are running the world and don't

2:22:46give a fuck about human lives and enjoy watching people being tortured enjoy watching people

2:22:52killed participating in ritual sacrifice of people and they do it in order to show

2:22:58that you're a part of a team and you're we we know that that has

2:23:02always historically been a real thing and it's been something that you look at in

2:23:06history you go god it's so sick it's so twisted it's so disgusting and everybody

2:23:11wants to think thank god that's not happening now but then when you realize like

2:23:15that might have been happening now here's one of the craziest ones the day he

2:23:22was indicted in 2018 the very next day they ordered he ordered three 130 gallons

2:23:30of sulfuric acid. What? Yes.

2:23:36He ordered six 55 -gallon drums of sulfuric acid to be delivered to the island.

2:23:44And so there was a lot of people online saying, oh, that was probably for

2:23:47his desalination plant. It's probably like a regular thing they need to order.

2:23:50So then someone else did a deep dive and said, no, this is the first

2:23:53time this was ever ordered.

2:23:55I checked that again. I saw there was two other ones.

2:23:56Oh, there was two other orders?

2:23:582017 and 2015. Oh, so that guy was wrong.

2:24:00It could have been the first one from that company potentially.

2:24:02Ah, that makes sense. So maybe it was for this desalination equipment.

2:24:10But also, that's a lot of sulfuric acid.

2:24:14You know, if I needed five gallons for my desalination equipment, but 239 gallons or

2:24:21whatever it is to burn kids.

2:24:24Yeah. To fucking get rid of bodies.

2:24:29Well, it's kind of hard to think of any other use for acid, just in

2:24:33general. Immediately, you think. Yeah.

2:24:36The other orders, were they that large?

2:24:39Uh, me check. Because here's the other thing.

2:24:41I mean, how long has it been killing people?

2:24:43How long have they been boiling bodies to get rid of them?

2:24:46I mean, if you do have, for lack of better words, let's call it a

2:24:53service, where you allow rich people from foreign governments or whatever, you set it up.

2:24:59I can give you whatever you want.

2:25:01Right. Like, what I want to do is I want to kill a hooker.

2:25:04Like, I want to kill her.

2:25:05I want to torture her.

2:25:06And I want to, you know, get rid of the body.

2:25:09Like, I want to do that.

2:25:10Like, can you do that?

2:25:11There was one where this one guy is saying to him, thank you for the

2:25:16torture video. It's literally a part of an email.

2:25:20The actual quote, thank you for the torture video.

2:25:24Like, enjoyed the torture video.

2:25:26It's so gross. Like. And they think they've identified that guy.

2:25:32And what do they think?

2:25:33He's a sultan? I was trying to find that right now.

2:25:36I think, because Massey said he got the, uh, he looked that one up, I

2:25:39believe. Because it's weird. They're letting them into the files one by one for like

2:25:44an hour at a time.

2:25:45What? But, yeah, bro. The congress people can go look at specific.

2:25:49There's millions of files. You got to tell them which file you want specifically to

2:25:51look at. It's crazy. The whole thing is crazy.

2:25:55Because, like, why have you protected people?

2:25:58So, we know, Sultan Ahmed bin Suleyman, Suleyem, sent the torture video to Epstein.

2:26:07This is in 2009. So, Epstein was saying that.

2:26:13Where are you? Are you okay?

2:26:15I love the torture video.

2:26:18Jeez. I am in China.

2:26:20I'll be in the U .S.

2:26:21second week of May. What the fuck, man?

2:26:24And why is his name redacted?

2:26:26Why would your name be redacted if you're not a victim?

2:26:30Like, this is what's crazy about all this.

2:26:32Like, how come you redact some people and you don't redact other people?

2:26:37Like, what is this? This is not good.

2:26:39None of this is good for this administration.

2:26:41It looks fucking terrible. It looks terrible.

2:26:44It looks terrible for Trump when he was saying that none of this was real.

2:26:49This is all a hoax.

2:26:50This is not a hoax.

2:26:51Like, did you not know?

2:26:53Maybe he didn't know if you want to be charitable.

2:26:55But this is definitely not a hoax.

2:26:56And if you've got redacted people's names and these people aren't victims, you're not protecting

2:27:01the victims. So, what are you doing?

2:27:03Right. And how come all this shit is not released?

2:27:06You would think that all of it would just get rid of all of it.

2:27:10Just expel it all. It's crazy.

2:27:12So, this is the conspiracy that drives me the most crazy because I don't like

2:27:17it. I saw Julian Dory talk about this yesterday on his podcast.

2:27:20I just saw a clip going around.

2:27:22American billionaire Tom Pritzker had an email to him that says - You mean Julian

2:27:28Dorsey? Dorsey, yeah. Sorry, sorry.

2:27:29Oh, okay. I'm in a remote valley of Afghanistan.

2:27:33It's my birthday wish with boys with toys.

2:27:37Spent time with Petraeus yesterday and he loaned me a chopper.

2:27:41Actually, two with one as a backup.

2:27:44Can't call till tomorrow. Yeah, but boys with toys could mean like military guys with

2:27:51weapons. That's what I assume.

2:27:53That's not what the video, they thought they were talking about little boys because they

2:27:56were in Afghanistan. But the part of the birthday wish is an interesting part.

2:28:00It's my birthday wish to - In a remote valley.

2:28:03In a remote valley in Afghanistan.

2:28:05And he's telling Epstein about it.

2:28:06But it also loaned me a chopper.

2:28:09Well, actually, this is - Yeah, this is two Epsteins.

2:28:12Right. But the thing is, like, the loaned me a chopper, my birthday wish, his

2:28:16birthday wish might have been to, like, gun down villagers.

2:28:19I know. That's what I thought they were talking about.

2:28:21Not go play with little kids.

2:28:23Yeah. I thought you just want to go kill people and they want to do

2:28:25it. I mean, I bet that.

2:28:26Look, he loaned me a chopper.

2:28:28Doesn't sound like I came in there to fuck kids.

2:28:30It's like my birthday wish sounds like I'm here to fuck people up.

2:28:33Right. Or I'm just out here to tour Afghanistan, which, I mean, I don't know

2:28:39why anybody would want to tour Afghanistan, but it seems like - Well, the only

2:28:43reason why I would be interested in going to Afghanistan is the stuff that Jason

2:28:46Everman told me about, like, when he showed me all those ancient Greek ruins, which

2:28:51is nuts, where archaeologists have no access to them.

2:28:54Right. That stuff's crazy. No, it's incredible.

2:28:57All from Alexander the Great.

2:28:59Like, there's immense ruins in Afghanistan of cities.

2:29:05They had Greek cities, like, beautiful columns and incredible construction in Afghanistan that are, like,

2:29:13how old? When was Alexander the Great?

2:29:16When was that? The 1400s?

2:29:18What was that? Yeah, 1 ,000 plus, right?

2:29:21So, like, I mean - What year was it?

2:29:23What year was Alexander the Great?

2:29:25I believe it was actually, what, 300?

2:29:29I don't know, Jamie. 300 AD?

2:29:31300 BC. 300 BC. Wow.

2:29:34I was only 600 years off.

2:29:36Wow. I was way off.

2:29:38300 BC, and they're building these immense, beautiful roads.

2:29:43Roman cities, Greek Roman cities, like it looks like you're either in Rome or you're

2:29:51in ancient Greece, like incredible architecture.

2:29:53Well, I think up until the Soviets invaded, I mean, Afghanistan was kind of like

2:29:59the crown jewel, right? They referred to it as the Beirut of Central Asia because

2:30:04it was, you had a very eclectic group of people and Kabul was known as

2:30:09like this beautiful city. And obviously post -occupation, the Soviets had killed, you know, hundreds

2:30:16of thousands of people. And then, you know, with the buildup and the devastation of

2:30:20not only military occupation of the Soviets and then us coming in, you know, soon

2:30:24after, obviously with, um, when the Mulas took charge, it basically went completely to the

2:30:32other side or the extreme and the Taliban and then us coming in, they've had

2:30:36nothing but decades of war.

2:30:37It's completely eviscerated any assemblance of intellectualism.

2:30:43There's no like infrastructure of technology or advancement.

2:30:47Like the universities were essentially demolished.

2:30:49So everything was ruined. So you're talking about, uh, I mean, at least several hundreds,

2:30:56hundreds of years of advancement that just were eliminated in three decades.

2:31:03And just a complete collapse of society.

2:31:05I mean, you, you would, I would spend a lot of time just trying to

2:31:10understand the, the place, right?

2:31:14And you would have, you leave an airfield where we have the most advanced technology

2:31:20in the world, right? Like we're, you know, launching helicopters and jets and any and

2:31:25all pieces of technology you could imagine.

2:31:27And you would drive, you know, into these valleys or, or, you know, from one

2:31:34place to another, and you would have horse drawn carriages of, you know, two mules

2:31:42and they're carrying something in the background.

2:31:44And it's like, you have the same cars are on the road with a Toyota

2:31:48Corolla and you have a mule pulling an old Toyota Corolla or something.

2:31:53Right. So you'd have an entire society of like basically Amish, Amish level people.

2:32:00And then, you know, Americans right next door in an air base are launching the

2:32:05most advanced technology and warfighting tech capability in the world.

2:32:08And so you'd see everything from point A to point B, you would encounter huge

2:32:15percentage of the people are illiterate, like no schooling, no advancement for girls.

2:32:22You know, the children were seen more as like a beast of burden.

2:32:28And a lot of places they would, they would actually value their sheep more than

2:32:33they would value their children.

2:32:34So they would be looking for, uh, reparations or, or, um, you know, to get

2:32:40paid for quite possibly the sheep that you destroyed on target, but their kids, not,

2:32:45not really. So you had a really clear picture to what civilization was like 500

2:32:55years before that, or a thousand years at certain times.

2:32:59And you'd see it too, right?

2:33:00Because you'd have Buddhist architecture, Greek architecture, and then you'd have the, the standard kind

2:33:08of Taliban infrastructure. You'd have the Soviet architecture from their invasion.

2:33:14You'd have all these different layers of military occupation.

2:33:16You could see them all within two weeks.

2:33:20Wow. You, I was up in, uh, this place called the Panjir and, um, the

2:33:26lion of the Panjir was, was this general Masud.

2:33:29And he was killed actually on September 10th before September 11th.

2:33:34So he's part of the actual September 11th plot.

2:33:37He was killed by a suicide bomber as they were trying to do a documentary.

2:33:41And they brought in a camera packed full of explosives and killed them the day

2:33:45before, which ultimately was part of the September 11th attacks.

2:33:50Um, because they knew that Masud was the connection to the U S invasion or

2:33:58the U S would invasion would be involving Masud.

2:34:01And the Panjir is this beautiful, like it's incredible river Valley.

2:34:06And it's also part of where the Soviets would just get their asses handed to

2:34:11them because we had the Majah Dean was being funded by the CIA at the

2:34:16time, obviously back during the Soviet invasion.

2:34:19And they would ambush the Soviets on these windy mountain roads next to this river.

2:34:25And they would cut them off basically on the front and the back of the

2:34:28convoy and then destroy the entire convoy in between.

2:34:30And then they would just shove all the shit that was destroyed in the river.

2:34:35So the river would have rapids and not all the rapids were made from like

2:34:40rocks and natural, you know, natural occurring rapids.

2:34:44They were made by like T -52s and Russian tanks and all this, like this

2:34:49war material that was pushed into the river by the Panjiris.

2:34:54And I went up to his, his grave and he's really incredible guy.

2:35:01When you like read about him and like all of his like combat accomplishments against

2:35:05the Soviets. Um, but the Panjir Valley is like such a beautiful place.

2:35:10And we used to joke around about how, gosh, we'd love to come back here

2:35:14and like go skiing or like recreate in Panjir Valley because it looks like Colorado

2:35:18or someplace incredible and beautiful.

2:35:21And at the same time you're in Afghanistan.

2:35:24So you're surrounded by just the chaos and the devastation of war with this one

2:35:30tiny little piece, this like little sliver in the middle of nowhere that's absolutely beautiful.

2:35:35And some of the rapids are made by T -52s.

2:35:40And as a whitewater guy, I was like, man, I'd like to kayak this.

2:35:43It'd be cool. If you were a person who was a wealthy person that your

2:35:48desire was to go gun people down, like there are people that will provide you

2:35:52with that service. Like there, there was a thing with the Soviets or not the

2:35:56Soviets with the Russians. Because there's a lot of people running around each other.

2:35:57I guess I sound like that's in God's light.

2:35:57Where they're allowing people to kill pirates.

2:36:00Yeah Like you would pay a bunch of money and they take you to where

2:36:04the pirates are and you go out in a ship and with a 50 cal

2:36:07Just fucking blow up pirate boats.

2:36:10Yeah, I'd heard about that I'd heard about there were places that you could go

2:36:13and as you know a Combat tourists basically has to be yeah, it has to

2:36:19be it's all gonna be like Russian or or Somalian or a connection between the

2:36:24two, right? So you'd have these like rogue elements and Places where there is an

2:36:29organized government. There's essentially just chaos and anarchy which is Afghanistan correct Yeah, yeah, you

2:36:34could definitely someone from the western side was providing that service to someone and Letting

2:36:40them borrow a chopper. Well, that was Petraeus So they were saying like Petraeus was

2:36:45the commanding general at the time which I would find it It's it it's kind

2:36:49of hard to believe hard to believe yeah That it that a general that's in

2:36:53charge of combat operations in Afghanistan wouldn't loan just a rich guy a helicopter And

2:36:58it sounds Correct in the context of we owe plus another one because they could

2:37:03never fly anywhere alone They always had to fly right because they had to have

2:37:06a support, but just loan me a chopper me a chopper It's a stretch.

2:37:13He you know as as much as I Disagree with the way that they were

2:37:19running the war it'd be hard for me to believe that a General just loan

2:37:23some rich guy a couple helicopters to fly around Afghanistan.

2:37:26I think he's lying Yeah, I don't know like you'd have to like dive into

2:37:29it and figure it out.

2:37:30Yeah But either way there's either nothing normal about these emails now There's nothing normal

2:37:36nothing normal one thing to take into consideration is how much of these emails are

2:37:39actually factual Mm -hmm like accusations that they're putting on other people.

2:37:44You got to take that with a grain of salt this guy wasn't he was

2:37:46all about like Influence peddling like and probably he had enemies and he probably would

2:37:53probably destroy his enemies with rumors and and Making up false stories like the bill

2:37:59gates one with asking me for Antibiotics to slip into his wife because he got

2:38:04STD from a Russian hooker.

2:38:07I'm like That seems to Too on the head, you know what I mean?

2:38:12Like why wouldn't he go to his fucking personal doctor?

2:38:14Why is it going to Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics in New York when he lives

2:38:18in Seattle? Do you don't think he has like a concierge medicine set up up

2:38:23there with a guy and and why would he'd say hey Melinda?

2:38:27I gave her STDs you wouldn't you'd say hey Get me some stuff.

2:38:31Oh, I lost my prescription.

2:38:33Can you give me another one?

2:38:34Yeah, I fell out of my car Give me another one Get another one and

2:38:38I'm fucking crushing up in her smoothie.

2:38:39Like if you're gonna do that you would do it He's not a dummy.

2:38:43He's Bill Gates, right? You would do it in a more discreet way than contact

2:38:46a international sex trafficker who's a part of like some intelligence operation You would think

2:38:52you would think right But the the this the skeptic in me tends to kind

2:38:57of like look at it under my magnifying glass a little Yeah, I don't want

2:39:02to take everything at face value But also at the accumulation of all of these

2:39:07different things leads you to just go what the fuck was going on?

2:39:10Did you find out how many other the sulfuric acid orders if the other ones

2:39:15were just as large? I was trying to I struggled to even find that I

2:39:19was like, maybe I made this up But I did find one there was different

2:39:23so they were talking about there's emails back to 2012 or 14 about I don't

2:39:30have the thing up. This is the thing saying that there's nothing there The sulfuric

2:39:33acid yeah emails recent doc.

2:39:36How do they know there's nothing there?

2:39:37That's no this is yeah maintenance systems dating back to 2013 implying possible routine use

2:39:43of severe possible is a weird word Use of suit so furic acid for pH

2:39:48adjustment and filtration, but no specific prior invoices or shipments are detailed Yeah, that's that's

2:39:54exactly it wasn't an invoice There was one they were talking about getting a one

2:39:58drum of sulfuric acid with 40 bags of like carbonate salt or something Yeah, see

2:40:04that makes more sense than six fucking giant 55 gallon drums Of sulfuric acid the

2:40:12day after you get indicted when you dig into the foot the actual files website

2:40:16I started looking up the RO plant, which is the reverse osmosis They had there.

2:40:20There's a ton of discussions about it going all the way back to 2012 when

2:40:23I think is when he bought it So of using sulfuric acid no just having

2:40:27a reverse osmosis right what what water there must have been a problem is right

2:40:31Well, it makes it makes sense because they were using desalination technology, but it's just

2:40:36the volume is Suspicious they were buying in the time for a while.

2:40:40Yeah, also dude had to know he was going down Like when he gets arrested

2:40:45in 2019 when he in 18 rather when he gets indicted He had to know

2:40:49he was going down And if you know you're going down and you're trying to

2:40:53mount some sort of a defense One of the first things you would have to

2:40:55do is get rid of bodies You have to get rid of everything right if

2:40:58you've got a bunch of people on the island Right that they could swoop in

2:41:01at any point in time and and pull out of there And then you're fucked

2:41:06like if he had underage kids on the island, whatever he had on the island

2:41:11On that note, it's so dark this picture I know came from There was rumors

2:41:16of him getting concrete machines shipped there, but that was from the first time he

2:41:20got arrested So I think in 2008 the first time he got arrested.

2:41:24They had a bunch of machines shipped Oh, bro And but but construct I don't

2:41:29know how you do construction on the island without getting concrete machine ship I don't

2:41:32know how you get rid of bodies or put inside a concrete That's the problem

2:41:37Well, I mean, maybe it's maybe it's two in the same It's like hey if

2:41:40go I go to an island and I've got to make you know I've got

2:41:43to make all the infrastructure.

2:41:45So I need a bunch of concrete.

2:41:46I need RO So I've got to have sulfuric acid.

2:41:49What's what's better for a cover -up?

2:41:50There's the picture of the machines on the island And here's the description of it

2:41:55Yeah, right before his 2019 arrest industrial car mix 5 .5 xl self -loading concrete

2:42:01mixer So we got a concrete mixer and he got the fucking sulfuric acid right

2:42:06after his arrest I mean if these details are correct.

2:42:09Oh god This is just a guy on Twitter though So this is right before

2:42:13his arrest and right after his arrest.

2:42:16He got sulfuric acid and a concrete mixer Like why would you be thinking that

2:42:21you are going to be able to do construction when you're gonna go to jail

2:42:23for the rest of your fucking life?

2:42:25Yeah, I don't know if construction plans would be a top of my list.

2:42:28Yeah, if I've got to innovate You know, I know I'm gonna get arrested, but

2:42:34you know what I got this big construction program that I'm really interested in I

2:42:38don't know if that's the same The whole thing is so dark.

2:42:40It's so dark. It's so dark and they ran it for a long time.

2:42:44They ran it for decades I also had another island that no one talks about.

2:42:49Oh, Jesus Yeah, the bigger this is little st.

2:42:51James a great st. James, which is the one next door He owned that one,

2:42:54too. Yeah, you and both of them.

2:42:55What both of them were part of the sale.

2:42:57We almost got It was for sale for a while I pitched the idea.

2:43:01Yeah, we thought about it.

2:43:03We thought about it We just didn't think there's enough sage in the world.

2:43:06No, no, you can't clear that cleanse that No, you can't clear that.

2:43:09Well, it's also you would never find peace because people would be visiting that.

2:43:12I like constantly You know, just so gross a lot of bad karma.

2:43:15They just need to like use that as like Look maybe like a bombing island,

2:43:21you know, right? Just turn it into a ux.

2:43:23Yeah Like that one island Hawaii that you can't go to just fucking light it

2:43:28up all the time light it up all the time Like have a little bit

2:43:31of grace to the way that we actually end this whole this whole story Outside

2:43:35of the files just like start bump just blown up It's fun.

2:43:39It's so dark It's my least favorite of the conspiracies It's not fun at all

2:43:43man. It's it it's like the aliens It's it's fun It's interesting like you can

2:43:49you can go down the rabbit hole a million ways and it doesn't it gets

2:43:52dark only if you let it get dark Yeah, okay, they're gonna occupy the planet.

2:43:56They're gonna you know make us all slaves or they're gonna kill us all like

2:43:59yeah Yeah, you you can go there, but half the time you're not gonna go

2:44:02there. It's just an interesting thought experiment There was a very interesting article Jamie.

2:44:07I don't know if you saw but this guy was He's it's it's one of

2:44:12the other guys that's leaving an AI Company I saw it going around.

2:44:17I don't know if it's the same one, but yeah, go ahead and he's talking

2:44:20about how How how what a big deal it is.

2:44:25I'll send it to you right here Um, he's talking about how I don't think

2:44:30No one understands it and this the way this is going to change people is

2:44:34he goes This is very similar to the time where we were realizing like people

2:44:39were hearing stories about oh There's a virus in China, but no one knew exactly

2:44:44what was going to happen how it's going to like literally change humanity change History

2:44:49he's like this is the same sort of stories.

2:44:52We're getting from these AI labs He's like he wrote this very long in detail

2:44:58something big is happening and the the article is written by this guy Matt Schumer

2:45:03and I uh I I recommend it highly if you want to really fucking get

2:45:11the shit scared out of you It's terrifying and he starts this comparison to like

2:45:16people stockpiling toilet paper and stuff at the beginning of kovid He's like they don't

2:45:21really understand How big this is going to be and how this latest version of

2:45:27chat gpt they're working on chat gpt 5 chat gpt made it So they had

2:45:33chat gpt make a better version of itself And they made this better version of

2:45:37itself and this this better version of itself Can think things out it doesn't just

2:45:41do what you ask it to do.

2:45:43It thinks things out it calculates It makes apps like instantaneously that would take developers

2:45:47months and months cost millions of dollars does it in minutes It doesn't like in

2:45:52perfect It goes through it runs it it tests it it makes sure it doesn't

2:45:56have any problems It anticipates all the different uses for the app all the different

2:46:00ways it could be done It's going to be applied to law.

2:46:03It's going to be like there's all these guys that are working in coding that

2:46:06say I don't really have a job anymore I just basically show up and tell

2:46:10this AI program to do these things and it keeps getting better and better He's

2:46:14like the leaps are enormous the leaps and its capability and it's its intelligence level

2:46:20It's like it's already smarter than people what's going to be I I think it

2:46:24it's going to be a white -collar apocalypse, right?

2:46:27Yeah, when you think about yes, just attorneys Yes, okay, so if you have the

2:46:32ability to case reference any legal file ever instantaneously instantly yeah, and form a case

2:46:42Why are you going to need paralegals?

2:46:44And you know, yeah, first -year attorneys you're not going to need them the people

2:46:49that aren't nervous are naive Mm -hmm.

2:46:52I think this is going to be the kind of Astronomical change that has literally

2:46:59never taken place in civilization before I don't think it's ever taken place at this

2:47:03level I think it's the you it's the the Invention of the internet times a

2:47:07million. Yeah, I think it's it's going to change everything.

2:47:11It's just like how do we?

2:47:13Adjust that's the real question It's in how are our kids growing up today like

2:47:18when they used to think about you know professions and things that they would go

2:47:22into They would have you know clear roads into okay?

2:47:26These are professional work tracks that they can go out find a job and whatever

2:47:30accounting legal engineering But it's going to change the entire professional landscape for it.

2:47:35I mean every generation from this point forward Basically entering the workforce you know what

2:47:41is the work for Elon just said that it's a waste of time to go

2:47:44to medical school Really? He's like optimist robots these robots that he's making are going

2:47:49to be able to perform Better than any doctor at any hospital and they're gonna

2:47:55be able to do it in your house So they're gonna be better surgeons than

2:48:01any surgeon alive these robots that they're making and they're gonna be powered by AI

2:48:06You're gonna have a super genius Robot in your house that can do your taxes

2:48:12that can fucking do chores that can perform surgery on you So it's going to

2:48:18be an entire rise of an economy.

2:48:21That's going to be human built versus AI built, right?

2:48:24So I mean there has to be like it If you have a label organic

2:48:28or it will be essentially, I think, the same type of thing where it's human

2:48:33made versus AI made, it would almost have to bifurcate the economy into two different

2:48:39sections. It's going to get weird as fuck.

2:48:41And I don't think people really understand.

2:48:43And I feel like I'm just sitting here waiting to see what.

2:48:47But I know that most people that you run into on the street are completely

2:48:52ignorant. They think, oh, ChatGPT is fun.

2:48:54I ask you questions. It's so much better than Google.

2:48:56Do you think that that's because they don't want to recognize it and look at

2:49:01it? I don't think they know.

2:49:02I think unless you're going on a deep dive, all this stuff is kind of

2:49:05esoteric. All this stuff is happening.

2:49:07You have to search it out and get an understanding of it.

2:49:11Like if you use an AI program to enhance your life, like perplexity, it's really

2:49:17good. I mean, perplexity is awesome for like solving problems.

2:49:22You could ask a question.

2:49:24I use it all the time when I write.

2:49:26I set it up and I talk to it.

2:49:28So, you know, I say, you know, what year did Cortez invade Mexico?

2:49:32How did this happen? How many guns did they have?

2:49:35How many languages are lost in Mexico?

2:49:38Like I was going on this deep dive.

2:49:40Amazing. But that's the surface.

2:49:44Like what they're talking about is levels and levels and levels of improved ability to

2:49:52the point where it's better at human beings, smarter than human beings at everything.

2:49:58So what's the end state then would be?

2:50:01We're second class citizens. We're obsolete.

2:50:03Yeah, we're obsolete. Yeah. So do you think that it turns, like do you think

2:50:07it's a Skynet type scenario then that ultimately flips and then rids humanity of humans?

2:50:13It's certainly on the table.

2:50:14Rids the world of humanity?

2:50:15It's certainly on the table, especially if they decide that we're too problematic or if

2:50:19you give us too much freedom, that's what causes all this chaos, which is true,

2:50:24right? You give people freedom, you're going to have a certain amount of chaos.

2:50:28You're going to have a certain amount of car accidents unless you have autonomous cars.

2:50:31You're going to have a certain amount of school shootings unless you take away all

2:50:35the guns. You're going to have a certain amount of school stabbings unless you take

2:50:38away all the knives. I mean, you could, if you were a running program designed

2:50:44to eliminate all problems in the world, you would break those problems down to one

2:50:49source. Well, what are the problems?

2:50:51You've got natural disasters and you've got humans.

2:50:54And humans are the cause of most of the problems.

2:50:57Natural disasters are relatively rare in comparison to the human -caused problems.

2:51:03It's not good. Then you have to run an AI to do the analysis to

2:51:11what the future of AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the robbers with the

2:51:15bankies. It's probably going to do the same thing that we do to dogs.

2:51:19Spay and neuter them. Right.

2:51:21Yeah. Keep them as pets.

2:51:22Keep them as pets. But there's no emotion there.

2:51:24So why would they want to keep us as pets?

2:51:26Why do they want to stay alive?

2:51:27Right. Why are they scheming to stay alive?

2:51:30Why do they blackmail their creators?

2:51:33Right. Why are they doing all sorts of things that seem to show that they

2:51:36have thought? Are they trying to show that they have thought in order to dupe

2:51:44us into the ability that they might be empathetic?

2:51:46No, that was one of the things that he talked about in this article, that

2:51:49they hide their ability to think things through, and they recognize that they're being observed,

2:51:57and so they're doing things behind the scenes while they're also doing tasks.

2:52:05I have to believe that there's portions of the DOD that have worked on this,

2:52:10and it's further along than the open source pieces that we can see.

2:52:18Hard to say, because there's a giant competition with us and China and Russia, and

2:52:24I don't know if they really can close this stuff off.

2:52:28I don't think it can operate that way.

2:52:30I think it has to be a sort of a collaborative effort.

2:52:34One of the things that's scaring a lot of people that are whistleblowers in the

2:52:37AI space is that they are bringing in people from other countries to just facilitate

2:52:42these problems that they have and make it go faster.

2:52:45So they're bringing in Chinese nationals.

2:52:48There's a huge possibility of espionage, and then there's this mad race.

2:52:52It's a Manhattan project for super intelligent AI.

2:52:57It's a Manhattan project that's also open sourced, and it's extremely porous when it comes

2:53:02to information. So essentially, you've weaponized the most powerful tool ever known to humankind.

2:53:09Yeah. It's fucking terrifying. So you've open sourced it, and then think about the Manhattan

2:53:14project. If that was just completely porous and there was an open door to any

2:53:18and all countries internationally, you just had the ability to come in and walk out

2:53:23with files, come as you go.

2:53:24Fuck, dude. Like, everybody would be racing to nuclear power, splitting the atom, and then

2:53:29if you could weaponize that internationally and then crowdsource it, essentially, like, you're in a

2:53:34really shit scenario. Yeah. That's where we're at.

2:53:37Yeah. That's where we're at.

2:53:39All right, dude. All right.

2:53:40We just did three hours.

2:53:41Awesome. Thanks, man. Let's go get some food and hang out, and that's it.

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2:53:52Yeah. All right. Bye, everybody.

2:53:56Bye, everybody.

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