The Tudor Dixon Podcast: AOC & Whitmer Flounder at Munich, Rubio Steals Show

2/18/202633 mincomplete

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0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast.
0:06Well, today we have Mary Catherine Hamm with us because we thought it was really
0:11important to go through everything that happened in Munich.
0:14And there seemed to be no one better than Mary Catherine to join me today.
0:18Thank you so much for joining me.
0:20I know you are part of the Clay & Buck Network also.
0:24You have the Normally podcast alongside Carol Markowitz.
0:27And also you're the host of Getting Hammered.
0:30So thank you so much for joining me.
0:32Thank you so much. So such kind words.
0:34I appreciate being here. Well, I'm excited about talking about this because obviously I was
0:40watching this over the weekend and actually I was traveling last night.
0:45So I was kind of like going through and re -watching some of the things
0:48that were said because it's interesting to me as we see the Democrats kind of
0:53stumbling and fumbling and trying to figure out who is going to be the leader
0:57in 28. It's like they're putting these people out and they're testing them.
1:02But they've always been this amazing machine in the past.
1:05I've looked at them and gone, wow, they really have things tightened up.
1:09They know what they're doing.
1:10But when it comes to messaging, they are so off.
1:13This is like word salad part two.
1:16Yeah, no, they don't know what direction to go in general.
1:20And I think they also have a little bit of Democrat privilege when it comes
1:23to being asked questions at all.
1:27Such a good way of putting it.
1:29You can show up at Munich and think, I'll be fine.
1:33I'm AOC. Everyone loves me.
1:35The media has never asked me anything terribly tough.
1:38Sure, I don't know these issues, but I'm like, I'm great.
1:42And that sort of fell apart on the big stage because she was asked things
1:47that she didn't know about and she was not deft in handling those.
1:52So I think there's some of that going on.
1:54Also, Democrats are having trouble despite Republican losses in various places and that they've done
1:59well in special elections. They're having trouble landing on a message because they are largely
2:03led by progressive groups who demand that they say things that regular voters don't like.
2:08So they're trying to figure out how to reconcile that.
2:10They also can't get people to even come into the office.
2:12So that has been tricky for them.
2:16And some who would like to win elections for Democrats are like, it seems like
2:21if we think this is actually an emergency beating Republicans, we should come to the
2:25office and work on it.
2:26And the rank and file workers are like, nah, that sounds crazy.
2:30We don't think we want to be part of that.
2:32Well, so I will say that is definitely a problem that Gretchen Whitmer would have
2:38here in Michigan. We've watched people.
2:40They've struggled to get people back to work.
2:42But she is another one that went over there.
2:45So AOC and Whitmer were on a panel together.
2:49This panel was literally a foreign policy panel.
2:52You would think that going there, you would say, what are some of the major
2:57foreign policy issues? And it would be pretty clear that Taiwan and Ukraine would be
3:01at the top of that list, wouldn't you think?
3:04Yeah, that seems logical. Again, you're not being asked about the undersecretary for agriculture in
3:12Gambia. Like, that's not what you're being asked.
3:15You're being asked major issues.
3:18And I want to stress this.
3:20No one forced either of these people to go to Munich.
3:23They decided to go. They went to Munich presumably knowing that it is a foreign
3:30policy gathering. They went, I assume, looking to burnish credentials.
3:37And yet, I would say if you've been in Congress for eight years, as AOC
3:43has, you should have some thoughts on this.
3:44Whitmer is a governor. It is less likely that she's going to encounter these things.
3:48Again, no one forced her to go and try to show off.
3:52No, but I think that's the important point is that people don't understand.
3:55You don't just, you don't get invited.
3:57People aren't begging you. You're lobbying to be a part of this.
4:00She knew what, yes, she knew what she was going to.
4:03She was trying to get people there.
4:04But you made a really great point a few minutes ago.
4:07And that is, if you are in the United States and you are a Democrat,
4:10you are almost never tested.
4:13And certainly on the state level, the media has very much cushioned her.
4:17They've protected Whitmer. AOC is always protected.
4:21Look, she came back after she totally flubbed it.
4:25She came back. And the New York Times, guys, is tweeting out, don't worry, guys,
4:29she called me. Let me explain.
4:32Can you imagine them ever doing that for me, for a Republican?
4:34No. Could you just write down everything I say to explain why I wasn't great?
4:40And then write it. And then also, if you could sprinkle in your own defenses
4:44of me, that'd be great, too.
4:45And he did that. But I think if you don't have thoughts on these big
4:49issues before you go, you shouldn't be going.
4:51But if you go, you have six to eight hours on an airplane.
4:56Right. Just memorize something. Just memorize something.
5:01And the thing that gets me about AOC is she says in her interview, I
5:06use the term lightly with the New York Times while she's, he's stenography for her.
5:11She says that, yeah, I wasn't even there to audition.
5:14You guys are so caught up in the horse race.
5:16What I was doing was just like offering this different view of the world that's
5:20very important to these important people.
5:22Okay, well, you failed that too.
5:24You should have concentrated on how you were going to do that.
5:29And then Whitmer, my favorite part of hers was like, you know, other people here
5:33are better at answering this than I am.
5:35And then the ambassador is like, no, no, you go ahead and please.
5:39And she says, I'm a governor.
5:41Like she doesn't encounter these things.
5:43Fine. Why are you here?
5:45Right. And and we know there is no question that she has been trying to
5:51get into that 2028 lineup.
5:53She was trying to be vice president.
5:55That wasn't a secret. That was absolutely out there in the open.
5:59In fact, there were even reports that she was told by the Biden administration ahead
6:04of time, you will be the pick.
6:06And she had staff members that were looking at real estate in D .C.
6:10when they were told, actually, we had to go with Kamala Harris.
6:13So we know that she wanted to be this person.
6:16She has made multiple trips overseas.
6:20But even if you were OK, so pretend you're completely brain dead on everything else.
6:25How could you not have a position on Ukraine?
6:28Even if you couldn't figure out Taiwan, how could you not be able to say,
6:33you know what? I really believe that we are in a situation where we have
6:39to be able to negotiate between these two countries.
6:42There's got to be some diplomacy.
6:44She has no she she can't say anything.
6:46She said landmass. I hope they can keep their landmass.
6:50Well, and as you know, it's not it's not that it has to be a
6:55perfect answer. There is a perfect answer for some of these things.
6:59These are not easy situations, but it is actually fairly simple to get briefed up
7:06and to have something to offer because you have showed up to tell people you
7:12have something to offer. So you should have something on the top of your head
7:17to do so. And I look, I have this complaint sometimes, frankly, about Trump, where
7:23I'm like, you need to be as prepared for these questions as I am for
7:27a Tuesday TV hit. Right.
7:28And I'll get annoyed with him.
7:29And also he's been elected president twice.
7:32He's not auditioning. And one more thing about Trump.
7:35He doesn't get caught with nothing to say.
7:39Right. That's true. That is also a skill that neither of these women showed under
7:46pressure here. That and that's what we saw.
7:49And honestly, as I watched this, I was disappointed to not see some strong Republican
7:55women out there, because I do think that the American women that are coming out
7:59on the Democrat side are making women, American women look bad.
8:04I mean, we already have this bad stain on our record with Kamala Harris out
8:08there and not being able to.
8:10I mean, you say at least Trump never is at a lack of having something
8:15to say. She couldn't ever actually.
8:17She said a lot. It never was anything.
8:19That was the more embarrassing situation.
8:22But even looking at what I've seen from the Democrats, there is this underlying feeling
8:29that they think if they go on the world stage and they trash the president,
8:33that the rest of the world stage is going to come around them.
8:36They think that what they are doing on the national stage is going to play
8:41worldwide. And what they're what they're miscalculating is that the people on the world stage,
8:49the European countries, the Asian countries, the Latin American countries, certainly Europe and Latin America,
8:56they don't want to look at the United States and say, if the Democrats getting
9:01back into power, we're going to be in trouble because America will not be strong.
9:06But to go out there with the only message is we hate Trump.
9:10And my gosh, could Hillary Clinton have been more embarrassing when she just went bananas
9:15and she starts throwing out we don't have any women's rights in the United States?
9:19What is she talking about?
9:21My gosh, this woman was a senator.
9:23She was a first lady.
9:24She was the secretary of state for crying out loud.
9:28How could she possibly sit there and honest to goodness say women don't have rights?
9:33Well, and she's not auditioning for anything.
9:35So, you know, that's like her real thought.
9:37She's just a crab now.
9:38Yes. But one thing that struck me about that situation is, again, Democrat privilege.
9:45She's barely getting pushed. She's barely getting pushed in that back and forth with I
9:51believe he was Czech lawmaker or Czech thought leader or representative there.
9:55And she is not calm under fire.
9:57She starts just sort of yelling things.
10:00Yeah. And there are plenty of points you can make calmly in that situation that
10:05probably would have gone over fine.
10:07And again, when you're in this type of gathering that is sort of over intellectualized,
10:13screaming at your interlocutor is not the way to go about it.
10:17I don't I don't know where she was.
10:19She was all over the map, though, by the way, because she also was like,
10:22hey, we should probably admit that mass migration is like pretty destabilizing and bad for
10:25a bunch of people, which is quite a thing to say in front of Europe,
10:29especially after you kept your mouth shut for the last 10 years about Europe and
10:32the last four years about the U .S.
10:35And but, you know, I guess they're admitting things that the rest of us knew
10:3810 years ago now. I think it's interesting that they talked so much about women's
10:43rights and women's role. And she actually moderated a panel that was kind of like
10:47a women's slash LGBTQ. rights panel.
10:52And it was interesting to me because I do think that as women, it is
10:58harder to be taken seriously in a room like that if you are screeching.
11:02You know, we go into those moments and we know that you have to be
11:06very serious. You have to be calm.
11:08You don't have the same ability to rise to anger as a man does because
11:14you're not taken as seriously.
11:16And certainly she would understand that.
11:18And the frustrating thing to me is she had Marco Rubio's position.
11:23Marco Rubio delivered this phenomenal speech.
11:26We were all incredibly impressed, but he was able to deliver that speech and have
11:32the room come around him because he is doing the meetings on the ground.
11:37When he says, I'm meeting with these people behind the scenes, he's actually meeting with
11:40them. They know they're prepared for what he's going to say.
11:43They're prepared for that boldness.
11:45Was she completely clueless as secretary of state?
11:49How long have we had a Democrat party that does not understand, has no self
11:55-awareness or awareness of the room around them?
11:58I think that Hillary is mad at the world because she didn't get the position
12:03that she wanted to get.
12:05And so that's like, oh, happy birthday, Madam President.
12:08That's my favorite tweet. It's always sitting there in the back of her mind.
12:12And even though she is still invited to these very high level gatherings, I think
12:17she is easy perhaps to tick off because she's mad that Rubio has the job
12:25she had. She's mad that Trump has the job she wanted.
12:30And she thinks that that is deeply unfair unfair and that we were all unfair
12:35to her. And I don't know, girl, like you're not making me convinced that people
12:43were super unfair to you.
12:44You're making me convinced that you thought you were entitled to something and you didn't
12:49do a ton of appealing to people.
12:52And here we are. Well, it's interesting because she's on this panel where she is
12:57talking about women's rights and they keep going back to the right and the right
13:02has taken all this away from women.
13:04And you've got Sarah McBride on this panel, which to me is frustrating that we're
13:09talking about women's rights and the United States representative is a transgender person who actually
13:16said threats toward trans people are threats toward all women.
13:21And I just fundamentally disagree with that.
13:23I don't think we are the same.
13:26I don't like being put into that bucket.
13:28I don't like that discussion.
13:30But Hillary Clinton kept going back to the right is so well funded.
13:34We can't fight them. Are you kidding me?
13:38Y 'all have plenty of billionaires and they were also bilking taxpayers out of right
13:43so much money funneling it into the NGOs.
13:47No, it's crazy. They they frequently outspend Republicans and they just say not a word
13:53about it because as long as they're the ones outspending Republicans, it's good money and
14:00billionaires who are left leaning are good billionaires and all that's fine.
14:04I mean, it really is just based on whatever the rules of the moment are.
14:08I also reject this framing that a threat to trans women is a threat to
14:13women because we're not the same.
14:15And in fact, those rights collide on a regular basis.
14:18And I'll give you a very sort of casual example of that.
14:22Today, I was talking to a friend and he informed me that Dylan Mulvaney got
14:27one of six female roles, men for females in a prestigious Broadway production.
14:36And so there's a woman out there who could have had that role who didn't
14:40get that role. Right. That that is a collision of rights there.
14:45Now, it's a privilege, obviously, to be to be cast in one of these shows.
14:49I'm not aware that Mulvaney has a ton of Broadway experience.
14:52But regardless, it does great on the women that these very rare opportunities, many of
15:01them are being taken up by men.
15:03Let's take a quick commercial break.
15:05We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon podcast.
15:10And there is not a way to look past the fact that we have seen
15:15these medications that these people are put on to change their bodies, change their hormones,
15:24which really does. It really does mess with your mind.
15:27Somehow we see this outburst of mass shootings from this group.
15:33And that is something that I feel like we are not allowed to address.
15:37And yet again, over the weekend, we just saw another one.
15:40And I really feel like this is a totally this is not these are not
15:46women. This is not you're not becoming a woman.
15:49That was something that Sarah McBride said.
15:52What I have shoulder length hair and glasses and I'm not woman enough.
15:55Well, you're not a woman.
15:58That's like and I think McBride is better at framing this than like 90 percent
16:03of activists, by the way.
16:06But the fact remains that we're not the same.
16:11And the fact remains. Actually, I was reading a piece in The Argument, which is
16:15a left leaning publication, but honest and fairly.
16:18and they had done some polling on trans issues and found that since 2016, the
16:23idea of shared bathrooms, the idea of locker room spaces, the idea of trans rights
16:28in general had just taken this huge nosedive.
16:32And I submit it is because we ran a 10 -year experiment and people don't
16:36like the results. And they didn't like how they were treated when they tried to
16:40raise concerns about this, particularly when it came to the treatment of minors by psychologists
16:47and physicians and in spaces that they share in locker rooms.
16:52Just in Northern Virginia in the past couple of months, we've had a 50 -something
16:55sex offender who shows up in women's locker rooms all over Northern Virginia schools and
17:00tries to go swimming in pools and shower in the ladies' room.
17:03And when people complain about that, the school boards and the local officials are like,
17:08oh, just let's not let's not punish him.
17:11We finally got a prosecutor to go after him.
17:14But these are real things that people saw in their real lives.
17:18And the result is that you guys yelled at us and were real jerks about
17:23this for 10 years. We tried it out.
17:25We don't like it. And now you have to pay the price for that in
17:28public policy, which is that this was a failed experiment and people are going to
17:31go back the other direction.
17:33Well, and that was interesting to me is that that's the message that they chose
17:37to go out with on the world stage when really, if you look back, a
17:41lot of people credit the ad Trump is for you, Kamala is for they, them
17:45with winning because so many women and parents in general, I mean, to your point,
17:51as parents, we are concerned when our daughters go into a locker room, when our
17:56daughters go into a public restroom and there's a man in there.
17:59And that I think was overwhelming.
18:01And it's not just mothers, like fathers, you know, my dad would just have freaked
18:06out if he thought I was in danger.
18:08You just have this innate protection of your children, you know?
18:12So this idea that you're going to put children in harm's way was totally asinine,
18:17but I still am not hearing a message from them.
18:20I mean, I saw AOC go over there and people were like, oh, she was
18:25so great at talking about all of the stuff about the economy.
18:28She didn't know that slave people didn't bring cow or didn't bring horses to the
18:35United States. What in the world was that?
18:38When she was like, oh, Marco Rubio talked about cowboys.
18:42I, the, the people of Mexico and slave people would like to have a word.
18:46And she says it so, so confidently.
18:52Wait till she hears where the Spanish language came from.
18:55The Mexican language? Is it?
18:58Yeah. I mean, really? Will she call it that?
19:01No, it is. There's a part of being a Democrat that means as long as
19:06you say things like intersectionality and rules -based order and class -based international politics, you
19:14will be counted as a smart person.
19:17And once you're in the smart person bucket, they'll put you on stage and you
19:22will then reveal that you have major gaps in your knowledge.
19:26And then you will call the New York Times to say that those major gaps
19:29don't matter. And the New York Times will say those don't matter.
19:32But is the New York Times just the, the CBS of Kamala Harris?
19:38I mean, really, at what point are we going to say, you have to stop
19:42making crap up to try to cover for them?
19:45Because that's what they did with Kamala.
19:47They edited that piece to try to save her butt because she didn't know enough.
19:51And how do these people get, they fail, they keep failing up.
19:56And she could very, very easily fail up to the Senate because the people of
20:01New York are willing to, to fail people up.
20:04I mean, look at mom, Donnie and what's happening in New York right now.
20:08But as I watched her on the world stage, I really was not just humiliated.
20:14I was stunned by the fact that afterward they came out and they said, we
20:17did so many hours of prep for this because the prep was obviously not on
20:22foreign policy. The prep was on radical socialism bringing, because she did bring it back.
20:28I mean, if you, if you were to give her some grace on the fact
20:32that she is a complete moron when it comes to history, she did bring it
20:35back to socialism regularly. And like, this is, you know, this is what it should
20:40be. She was totally schooled by the woman from Argentina who says, are you kidding
20:46me? Like, but very, so politely.
20:49And that was the, that was the one part about it that I thought, like,
20:53here's a woman who so graciously says, you know what?
20:56I am actually, you may say Maduro with a Spanish accent, but I actually live
21:03right next to there. You know, she's like, I actually have Venezuelans that live in
21:07my neighborhood because they had to leave their home and they are happy.
21:12I mean, it was kind of interesting to watch that perspective that we don't actually
21:16get to hear on the national stage here because that the, the left is so
21:23hardcore on, oh, anything that happens in Latin America is, is such a disaster for
21:29America to be involved. Here you have someone from Argentina saying, we would love to
21:33have, we are, we're getting that we're having this trade deal with the United States.
21:36We'd love to have the United States more involved.
21:38We're so happy that Maduro was taken out of power.
21:41He was not elected. The people were cheering.
21:45And yet. They immediately move on as soon as they hear that.
21:49No, there was a brief shining moment after Maduro was taken out expertly by the
21:54U .S. military and President Trump's decision in which you would see a bunch of
21:58Venezuelan Americans cheering about this and Venezuelans on social media.
22:03And you would get this, oh, you got this sort of mainstreamed message of like,
22:06no, no, no, you guys are getting this wrong.
22:08But the reason that the left gets it wrong is because they think America bad,
22:13communism and socialism good. This is one of the reasons that that AOC doesn't have
22:19a lot of deep thoughts about defending Taiwan.
22:21Right. It's not that you have to say, yeah, we're going to send in troops.
22:24But her brain goes, I don't know, like the CCP is kind of like on
22:29board with the things that I like.
22:31And so she doesn't know where to land.
22:34They don't know to land against Maduro and for the people of Venezuela, because in
22:40their minds, you know, it's sort of the cost of doing business when it comes
22:44to communism. Right. And the real fascist is Donald Trump.
22:47This is a silly way to think.
22:49Or I think as Rubio put it in his really soaring, beautiful speech, foolish.
22:54This is foolish. This is a foolish binary that you are living your life by
22:59to be ashamed of Western values and then to lift up this thing that has
23:03hurt people for centuries. Right.
23:06But many politicians on the left have trouble seeing that clearly.
23:11Well, I think that they they clearly brought leftists together at this conference.
23:16I mean, you have the one guy on the panel with AOC who is saying,
23:20I think Europe should just join as one.
23:22We should have one president.
23:24The EU should be one thing.
23:25And in his reasoning for that was we'll never have the same amount of money
23:30as the United States. And therefore, we don't have the same voice and we don't
23:35want the United States to be more powerful than Europe.
23:37So Europe should come together as kind of one umbrella under the EU and have
23:42their own president. And and honestly, that is a radical view.
23:46But when you heard what Rubio was saying and giving permission to say, we want
23:54to continue to hold on to our heritage, we want to continue to hold on
23:58to our culture. I believe there are many, many leaders out there who were waiting
24:03for the United States to say that because there is no leader of the EU
24:09that as one. But the United States does have a very big voice.
24:13And when the United States gives permission to say, you actually should hold on to
24:19what Europe was, you should hold on to your culture.
24:22You should be proud of your heritage.
24:24And it is OK to be proud.
24:26It doesn't make you some radical nationalist.
24:29You know, that word has been demonized to the point where people are like, oh,
24:34I can't love my own country.
24:36We're now giving them permission.
24:37And that's why you saw a standing ovation, because who doesn't want to love their
24:42history? Who doesn't want to say I'm proud of who I am?
24:46Yeah, I think he leadership matters.
24:48And he was leading in that moment.
24:50And he was leading in a way that was right for the room, that was
24:54addressing their concerns. And you're right, was giving them permission by saying, you know, our
24:59function is not to be a welfare state that then apologizes for everything we do.
25:05That's not our function in the world.
25:06We're the the Western world is the home of the Enlightenment and free speech and
25:11religious liberty and all these amazing things that have made the world prosper.
25:15And so you don't have to do that.
25:17It's basically like get a hold of yourself, man, to all of Europe.
25:21And I think there are people who respond to that.
25:24You see it in Italy where Giorgio Meloni is a perfect example of this.
25:27Now, when she expressed pride in Italy and the idea that there should be governable
25:33borders thereof, she, of course, was called a the biggest fascist since Mussolini by much
25:40of the press. And it turns out actually that Italy is doing pretty well and
25:45that she has made improvements that have made Italians lives better and that people like
25:51her. And she's also extremely cool, which is a bonus and dresses great.
25:56But but yeah, I think people overreacted to Meloni and now this has become something
26:03that Europeans are allowed to do.
26:05And many of them are insistent on doing it.
26:07The politicians are behind the regular folks in this way.
26:10Let's take a quick commercial break.
26:12We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon podcast.
26:17Well, and it was funny to me that Hillary Hillary Clinton, as a former secretary
26:22of state, sitting next to a Czech politician and having that discussion with him where
26:28he says, well, I think you just really don't like Trump.
26:32And instead of her having a mature reaction to it, she that's when she started
26:39to go off. But the if you if she really understood European countries, and I
26:45do think that if you are in the position of Marco Rubio or what Hillary
26:48Clinton, the position Hillary Clinton was in as secretary of state, your job is to
26:54go into these other countries, understand who they are, understand their culture.
26:58There is a way that you talk to people to make sure that you can
27:02have a diplomatic discussion. I don't believe that she was capable of doing that.
27:08And the reason I say that is that she would have understood the Czech Republic
27:11is very proud of their culture.
27:13Right. are closed. They do not allow immigration.
27:17They are very concerned with making sure that they preserve their history and preserve who
27:22they are and protect against communism because they've experienced that as well.
27:28There's a whole history there that was oozing out of the guy sitting next to
27:34her. And yet she couldn't pause for a moment and step outside of her own
27:40liberal mind and her own hatred for Trump to go, wow, this guy actually lives
27:46a different story than I do.
27:49Well, and he was also trying to explain something to her about how Trump came
27:52about. And it's something that politicians of left and right should listen to, which is
27:58all he was saying was like, people don't like you because this whole class doing
28:03this whole thing, y 'all done went too far.
28:05We don't like it. Everybody was upset.
28:08Y 'all kept ignoring us and being jerks about it.
28:11And then this other guy came along who was not ignoring us and wasn't a
28:14jerk about it, right? About these things that we cared about.
28:17And she can't hear that because she thinks her function, and again, her missed moment,
28:24is to be the one who informs us what is good for us.
28:28And the idea that this man from the Czech Republic had the audacity to tell
28:33her that the people might think differently about what's good for them, she didn't like
28:39that at all. But I think both right and left, the business of politics is
28:43the business of persuading people on a regular basis.
28:48If you let go of that and think you're going to just parade all the
28:51way over to the far right or the far left, you will get in trouble
28:54for it eventually. The far left is so, they're so broken by their language.
28:59And you can see it as they talk.
29:02It's like, they're so stuck in certain words.
29:05And that was why I believe that when he started to say, I believe there's
29:09two genders. You went too far on this.
29:11That's why she immediately turned it around to saying, do you think there should be
29:16a war on women? Which was clearly not what he was saying.
29:19She had to figure out a way to make it acceptable.
29:22Like, I have to throw something out there.
29:24But I noticed when she was talking in the other panel with Sarah McBride, they
29:30were talking about how, you know, trans people are the tip of the spear and
29:34they're leading for women and they're leading for women's rights and all these things.
29:38And Sarah McBride, this is what I mean by getting caught up in their own
29:43language. She said, you know, the problem is that the right always needs a boogeyman.
29:48I mean, a boogey person.
29:50Legitimately said that. No, this is, it's because for years that was the coin of
29:56the realm. That's how you get on the panel is you use that language.
30:00Boogie inclusivity? Boogie inclusivity is very important.
30:04Oh my gosh. And I saw a couple sort of more moderate critics of some
30:10of these folks who are on these stages, AOC and Whitmer saying, look, if you
30:13talk like a college professor, it's not going to cut it with the American people.
30:16Like that you sound like a lunatic when you talk this way.
30:19And I think that's one of those examples.
30:21I would also caution for Republicans that on the trans issue in particular, and on
30:25these gender issues. Yes, people think the left is crazy on this and they are
30:29mad at the left about it.
30:30That doesn't mean they won't listen to the left on other issues.
30:33So Virginia is a place where I think the campaign for governor got way too
30:37far into that issue alone and didn't address, which Democrats are out of touch on,
30:42didn't address affordability, which is what people are thinking about all the time.
30:46So there's differences in what people vote on versus what they think the Dems are
30:49crazy on. And you make a great point for the midterms, because there's differences on
30:54what is a national story than what is a local story.
30:57And your statewide races are local races.
31:00So I think oftentimes we as Republicans go, oh, that worked here.
31:05That's going to work here.
31:06And that's it. You've got to you've got to personalize your race.
31:10You've got to see you have to actually talk to the people on the ground
31:12and understand what they want.
31:14I mean, in and that's I would say the same thing for Michigan.
31:18I mean, we we also talked about that.
31:21That was not the concern on the ground here.
31:23The concern is, are we going to have jobs?
31:26Are we going to reduce our energy costs, affordability?
31:29Exactly what you're saying. And that's that's critical for us.
31:33These conferences are interesting to see where their mind is.
31:38But we have to make sure we know what we should be talking about come
31:41midterms, which is now. Yeah, I agree.
31:44The key to Abigail Spanberger's success in Virginia partially was she didn't moderate.
31:49She just didn't talk about these issues that voters are mad at Democrats about.
31:54She was like moving on.
31:56But she sure did immediately push them.
31:59Mm hmm. Yeah, we are.
32:01That's the sad thing. Well, I appreciate you coming on today.
32:05Mary Catherine Ham, it was wonderful to talk to you.
32:07And well, I would love to have you back to talk as we go through
32:10the midterms. We start to see some of this stuff breaking down and how people
32:14are talking about it. Sounds great.
32:16Thank you so much for having me.
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