Hour 2 - Are We Going to Strike Iran?
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome, everybody, to the second hour of the Clay Travis and
0:37Buck Sexton show. And we are joined by Stephen Yates.
0:42He's a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a former White House national security official.
0:48Our friend, Mr. Yates, great to have you, sir.
0:50What's going on? Buck, it's great to join you.
0:53Thanks so much. So, we want to ask you about whether we're going to war
0:58with Iran. It's a big question.
1:00And the reason we're asking is because, as we know, there's sort of a dual
1:06-track situation playing out. On the one hand, there's negotiations, I think, in Geneva.
1:11Sounds right. Over Iran's nuclear program that the administration is involved in.
1:16And then there's also a buildup, a substantial buildup of military assets, aerial assets, specifically
1:23F -35s, F -22s in the Mideast, prepared for what could be a sustained aerial
1:32campaign against Iran. What do you see happening here?
1:35How do you think this plays out?
1:38Well, Buck, I think that the president and his team are doing far more than
1:42any of its predecessors to kind of increase the chances of a negotiated settlement of
1:50sorts. It's very, very difficult to see there being any security from the nuclear program
1:55under the current regime. That's why the president says that if the regime were to
1:59change, that might be better.
2:00He's not saying he's going to do it, but the armada that is there is
2:05doing two very substantial things.
2:07It is stopping the illegal support for the Iranian regime financially.
2:12That has been a big vulnerability in the past.
2:15And, of course, it has the ability to strike hard, and the president has proven
2:19a willingness to do that not very long ago.
2:21So this should increase the chances of a negotiated settlement.
2:24But I have to say, bottom line, I don't see this regime in Iran negotiating
2:28a good faith in an appropriate amount of time.
2:31So I think the odds of a strike that would be an active war but
2:35not a total war, very high over the next two weeks.
2:39Okay, so what is the goal of the strikes?
2:42Thanks for coming on, Steve.
2:43I mean, I think that is kind of where we dive into next because the
2:47understanding that we had, and I think it was the right decision on the first
2:51strike, was this is directly attributed to trying to eliminate Iran's nuclear arsenal, right, or
3:00their ability to develop a nuclear arsenal.
3:04Are we trying to replace the Ayatollah with this strike?
3:07Are we still going after nuclear weapons?
3:10I think this needs to be a huge part of the discussion in general is
3:15what is the strategic goal here?
3:17Do you have a sense for that, and how do you think the administration goes
3:21about making that choice? Well, I completely agree that it's necessary.
3:27We've fought off the ghosts of Iraq in many, many different ways.
3:32But that idea of making it clear what the strategic objective is and what America's
3:37role is relative to other countries' role, very, very clear.
3:41I think that the targets that they would hit would look more military, so it
3:46would be nuclear, but also some of the ballistic missile and other capabilities to demonstrate
3:51that we can do this and there's nothing they can do about it and knock
3:55them back a little bit to maybe buy more time and see whether they sober
3:58up for real negotiations. There's, I think, this added layer of statements that were made
4:05about the atrocities that are committed by the regime, the human rights violations, and I
4:09have deep sympathy for that, but I don't think that is the proper use of
4:12the U .S. military. I think that's the area that has to be made much,
4:17much more clear. The strike had to be degrading the capabilities of the regime while
4:22they have maximum pressure to degrade the economic capabilities of the regime, and the rest
4:27of the world is going to have to step in and help handle some of
4:30the other elements of the political transformation, in my view.
4:33You know, Steve, yes, the ghosts of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars loom large in
4:40all these conversations, and I think that's a good thing, I mean, in terms of
4:45making sure that we don't get pulled into something, and I think Trump is very
4:49wary of getting pulled into something deeper and at much greater risk to us and
4:55to our people than we want to be.
4:58So as part of that, one of the conversations that I think keeps coming up,
5:01and people have been asking me, so I want to pose this to you and
5:04get your take on it.
5:05In Venezuela, okay, we took Maduro out and, well, took him to a prison cell
5:11in New York, but there was a clear pathway of other people, and really much
5:17of the rest of the regime is in charge there now, so there's kind of
5:20an ongoing negotiation process about what will happen and how that country moves forward.
5:24So, I think that's what I think that's what I think that's what we're going
5:24to do. But the U .S.
5:25clearly has a lot of leverage.
5:26What is the opposition in Iran?
5:28Do we have any real sense as to if the mullahs fall, if they fall,
5:34who takes over? Buck, that is the most important issue that they have to work
5:40through. And I don't take it as a given that whatever the U .S.
5:43does in the near term is going to be about regime change.
5:47I think what they demonstrated in Venezuela is that a step along the way is
5:54that we are going to change maybe the nature of the current regime and renegotiate
5:59sort of the terms of trade and dealing with the United States and the world.
6:03And under these new terms, maybe we buy more time for a longer term transition
6:08to whether it's an opposition or a reformed country.
6:11But in Venezuela, the opposition is not yet in charge.
6:14It may be in the not -too -distant future if there's an election.
6:17The same goes with Iran.
6:19I mean, the debatification issue in Iraq, which you know as well as anybody, just
6:24is one of the biggest ghosts of what people think of as a failure in
6:29the Iraq strategy. Keeping some of those institutions in place so there isn't broader instability
6:34and mayhem across the region is one of the priorities they have to have.
6:39So I think there could be a move that gets at the top leadership, and
6:44there could be a change to someone else in the regime.
6:47Personally, I would love it if this regime went away.
6:50But I personally just think that the U .S.
6:52role is to strike hard the way no one else can, to contain fallout as
6:57best anyone can. But it's the Abraham Accords countries and others that really need to
7:03be managing more of how do we have an economic and political relationship that's different
7:07with Iran. We have a lot of Iranian listeners on this program.
7:11A couple of months ago, we opened up phone lines and said, hey, what kind
7:16of support is there in your social networks for Iranians in the United States for
7:20the royal family to be installed in some way as a holder of power that
7:26is a transition to potentially a new government?
7:29Do you like that idea, Steve?
7:31Is that a crazy idea in your mind?
7:34Again, building on what we learned in Iraq, sweeping out one group and trying to
7:40replace another can be dangerous.
7:41But there is some form of nostalgic, positive reflection on the royal family, if only
7:48based on how awful things have been under the Mullahs.
7:53Well, I agree, and that could be a viable alternative.
7:56But I think one of the things we felt got stung in the Iraq situation
8:01was having a leader that comes into place that is just viably identified as the
8:07American choice. And for a lot of the world that suffers from pretty high dose
8:13TDS, if it's perceived as being Trump's choice, there could be a problem of trying
8:19to hold coalitions and investment and other security engagements that are necessary for that transition.
8:25I think that might explain why we have this muddled or middle ground approach in
8:29Venezuela, too. If the opposition was seen as chosen by the United States and our
8:34president, then there could be maybe grounds for greater resistance.
8:38So a more organic and sort of stepping stones across the river approach seems to
8:44be the way they've gone at that.
8:45That might be more what they try with Iran.
8:49But I do think that looking at viable alternatives to the theocratic regime, most of
8:56the diaspora agrees with that, which is a fancy way of saying the people who
8:59are Iranian that live overseas.
9:01And then I think there are also large parts of Persian culture that are not
9:05Islamist that could work with that kind of an approach.
9:09But it needs to be seen and protected as being the Iranian people's choice.
9:15Steve, I'm in South Florida, and so I got to ask, how shaky do you
9:21think the regime in Cuba is?
9:23Yeah, I think it's very shaky.
9:26And that's an area where I think, oddly, while people wouldn't attach smart power to
9:31the make America great again foreign policy, I think that we've we've used some very
9:37effective levers that are non -military.
9:40We've used our military to cut off the oil.
9:44That is an immense pressure on them.
9:46The movement of Venezuela politically was tied very, very close to them.
9:50So in terms of political warfare, economic warfare and economic security, we've really maxed options.
9:56And so I think we've got the best shot we've had for this external pressure
10:01campaign to maybe give a different path forward.
10:04But what fascinates me is really in Venezuela, Cuba, Iran and maybe other places.
10:10We're really seeing a very sophisticated approach to easing these transitions without America going in
10:16to push it too far and have it blow up back on us.
10:21Buck asked a good question about Cuba, and I'm utterly fascinated about that.
10:25But also on Iran, you mentioned it.
10:28I think this is important.
10:30There's a big difference oftentimes between what is publicly said and what is privately said,
10:35particularly from the other Middle Eastern countries, Saudi Arabia et al., that clearly have made
10:41the decision they don't like Iran and would like to see changes made there.
10:45Do they actually want the Ayatollah out, in your impression?
10:50This is the Saudi Arabia's, the Bahrain's.
10:52The UAE's are just kind of running all through all these different countries that are
10:56technically Muslim countries, but are not allied with Iran.
10:59Or do they deep down like the fact that the Ayatollah is such a disaster
11:05that they don't have to worry about Iran as a regional threat so long as
11:09he is there and therefore don't actually want him gone?
11:13Do we have a sense on that?
11:15Well, I think there is a pretty clear sense.
11:17And, you know, in our country, I don't think enough Americans appreciate the fact that
11:22the Iranian regime has threatened to kill our president more than once over the history
11:28of this dispute. That kind of matters.
11:30I mean, just remember, presidents are human beings, but also you just can't allow that
11:34if you are a sovereign power and a global power.
11:38And these other regional allies, believe me, they have suffered under assassination attempts and other
11:44kinds of violence against them.
11:46They have have blood feud with the theocratic regime across the water from them, in
11:52many cases, some across a border like Iran and Iraq.
11:56It's, I think, very, very clear to them that they would much prefer to have
12:01a reform oriented government there and they would invest heavily.
12:06And there is a path to peace and prosperity that way.
12:08But it's expanding the ethos of the Abraham Accords.
12:12And under the theocratic regime in Iran, that's not an option.
12:15They support the radical terrorists that attacked Israel and believe in river to the sea
12:20mentality. And that is not compatible with our allies in the Gulf.
12:25Stephen, before we let you go, I'm sure you saw AOC showing up in Munich
12:30to show off her foreign policy skills.
12:34Did not go, I think, as planned.
12:36She was asked about this crazy thing that no one had ever heard of before,
12:40the China -Taiwan conflict and or the possibility of China -Taiwan open conflict.
12:45And her answer was hysterical.
12:48So we appreciate that the humorous component of this was covered.
12:51If you were to give AOC, if you were tutoring her on this issue, say,
12:55hey, here's what you should say.
12:58So you sound like, you know, what's really going on with China -Taiwan.
13:02What would be your 60 -second or less answer to the question that she turned
13:06into, yeah, like, I mean, they have maps and stuff.
13:11Well, it was mind -blowing.
13:13And if I were her, I would not go to a security conference and try
13:18to do that as a social media influencer.
13:20You better just do a 10 -second search of Grok.
13:24And probably AI could have given better talking points.
13:28And I'd say you begin with the basics, free people who are investing heavily in
13:34our country. We should be giving them the ability to defend themselves as much as
13:38humanly possible. And also, let's hold up some accountability and transparency with China.
13:44At the very least, stand with an ally like Japan.
13:47And let's see where we can go and avoid the conflict.
13:49I think she tried to get there.
13:51She couldn't land it. She borderline couldn't even speak.
13:53And I don't know why you go be a speaker at an international security conference
13:57and not prepared for basic questions.
13:59It is funny that you mentioned Grok because she has probably a staff of, how
14:04many people do you think work for AOC?
14:0650? 50? 100? I mean, if you go across everywhere, I mean, it's a huge
14:11number of people. And she could have just said, hey, how do I answer a
14:15question on Taiwan, on Grok?
14:17And it would have given her an infinitely better answer than whatever staff she had
14:21trying to prepare her for that event.
14:23Steve, we appreciate you. We may need you back on when or when war breaks
14:28out. He's going to have to fix the war when it breaks out.
14:30So, yeah. That's right. Thank you.
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16:30right let's have a positive story let's have a positive story for a change yesterday
16:37as i was preparing to hop on my flight back from south florida um i
16:45was standing in the fort lauderdale airport lounge and they had the u .s game
16:50i believe u .s hockey game from the winter olympics in italy on uh i
16:56believe they were playing sweden uh i always get sweden and switzerland mixed up apologies
17:01to the nordic countries but i believe it was sweden and it was overtime and
17:05it was a sudden death and the u .s scored a winning goal uh a
17:11player by the name of quinn hughes quinn hughes was then interviewed after this big
17:16win the u .s men's soccer team is into the final four uh the semi
17:21-finals of the gold medal pursuit if you are a a someone who is just
17:26looking for a team or players to root for who unabashedly love america and think
17:33it's the greatest country in the history of the world here was quinn hughes being
17:39interviewed right after the big win over sweden held a game out there uh took
17:44down the game winner i mean what did that feel like yeah just a relief
17:47um just really enjoying being here with this group and the guys and i'm trying
17:51to extend it as long as i can right on and then uh usa flags
17:55all over the place you could hear the chance what's that atmosphere yeah it's special
17:58i mean uh you know i love the u .s and um it's the greatest
18:03country in the world so happy to represent it here with these guys and um
18:07that's really special okay and i know it's a little bit difficult to hear that
18:12audio clip is up we'll put it up like clay and buck but he said
18:15this is the greatest country in the world and i feel super honored to be
18:19able to play with these guys and represent the country isn't it great to just
18:23hear somebody at the olympics say america's the best country in the world and wearing
18:29the colors here is an incredible honor which used to be the standard statement whether
18:34they believed it or not that every olympic athlete would give and now instead they
18:40just say oh i'm so troubled by donald trump's policies on ice and they get
18:44asked all sorts of political questions anyway i just love this buck it's it's a
18:48team you can root for yes uh they represent america well the men and women's
18:53hockey team i love it you still haven't taken us deep though into the curling
18:57controversy sir so i love watching curling on television i'm super weird all right all
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19:55-SAFE welcome back in to clay and buck our friend carol markowitz of the carol
20:00markowitz show on the clay and buck podcast network and normally which she does with
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20:11two i don't know you have guests with the duo show or not i've been
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20:46um now hard turn here because we're getting something pretty intense uh but it's important
20:51uh we had this the second in less than two weeks and maybe 10 days
20:56apart or something friends gender mass shooting someone killing their members of their own family
21:02let's there was the one in british columbia up in canada and now there's one
21:06that just happened in rhode island this guy in rhode island was clearly the most
21:11if you were drawing a a picture or if you were trying to create in
21:14a laboratory somebody who was manifestly insane it would be this guy and the fact
21:20that this guy was not considered to be a serious mental health case that needed
21:25immediate attention long before this goes to there's just a complete unwillingness to see reality
21:32when it comes to this transgender stuff now yeah you're absolutely right and look you
21:37know i'm reading this great book manufacturing delusion you may have heard of it but
21:41the whole thing is thank i mean it really is so good and it's so
21:45um right for this moment because it's the same Question going on with the transgender
21:50debate is like, are you going to tell the truth or are you going to
21:54have to parrot the line that we were told to parrot, which is that there's
21:58nothing wrong or or odd or different about declaring yourself transgender and that there is
22:04no mental health component. I think that's absolutely ridiculous, especially when we're talking about young
22:09people, because we've seen the fact that it's such a social contagion, number of gay
22:13people has not gone up and basically in our lifetime, but the number of trans
22:18people has spiked. So it is this brainwashing thing that is happening across our culture
22:24and it seems like people are waking up to it, but right as they're waking
22:29up to it, the number of violent incidents involving the transgender community have really spiked
22:36and I think it is because they're constantly being told that they're under attack.
22:41This shooter in Rhode Island, he was on Twitter and he said that stop bashing
22:47us or this is why we go berserk, but no one was bashing him.
22:52It was Kevin Sorbo, the actor, was basically saying that if you're born a boy,
22:57you stay a boy and that's a fact.
22:59So the fact that something like that can be seen as bashing is the crux
23:04of the problem to me here.
23:05They're they're put on the defense by the left.
23:08They're told they're under attack and they're acting out in a violent fashion because of
23:12that. I think so. I'm so fascinated by this.
23:20You've got three kids. I've got three kids.
23:22I don't know how much attention you pay to their social media feeds, meaning what
23:27they watch online, because that's where they spend all their time.
23:31YouTube, everything else. Because it seems to me, and again, I've got three boys, so
23:36it might be a bit different because I know you've got, I think, a daughter
23:40and two boys. Yeah. That there is online a unregulated attack on the woke world
23:50that is way more venomous than I think a lot of people recognize.
23:55And I've kind of talked with Buck about this, but, you know, this this anti
24:01trans agenda is actually now, I would say, under 20 year olds, particularly boys, are
24:09just over the BS on a level that I don't think society has really recognized
24:14yet. Carol, because they're saying, oh, you know, it's people over the age of 50
24:18that just don't get the trans world.
24:20And they're the ones that are bigots and transphobes and everything else.
24:23I actually think the younger kids see it for the absurdity that it is on
24:28a level that's not being talked about yet.
24:30Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
24:33It's that younger generation of Gen Alpha or whatever.
24:36But I think they realize the absurdity of what has happened because I think the
24:41generation directly above them were the ones that were so susceptible to this mass delusion.
24:46And, you know, when we moved to Florida in the middle of my daughter was
24:50in the middle of sixth grade, she had, I would say, over 10 friends in
24:54New York who considered themselves trans.
24:57They might have said they were the opposite gender or they might have said that
25:00they were non -binary or whatever.
25:02She moves to Florida and there is zero.
25:04She had zero. And that's a real, you know, how does that happen?
25:08How does that happen if this is not a social contagion, if it's occurring naturally
25:12in nature, the way that they say?
25:13She still knows the same number of gay people and that didn't change.
25:17So I think that the younger generation has realized that it was something that spread
25:23among the slightly older people around them and that they don't want any part of
25:28that. They've been, it's considered something mock -worthy now.
25:31Like, oh, you don't know what gender you are?
25:33You're non -binary? That's ridiculous.
25:36You know, there's been some major news on this.
25:38We're speaking to Carol Markowitz.
25:39The Carol Markowitz Show is on the Clay and Buck Podcast Network.
25:41Go listen. She does a fantastic job.
25:45There's the news that has been breaking about the medical field now having to take
25:53notice of these lawsuits. And just yesterday, I think it was NYU Langone, major hospital
25:58in New York, based out of New York City.
26:01They have said, look, because of the regulatory environment, I think what they mean by
26:05that is we don't want to get sued.
26:06They're stopping transition care for minors.
26:12And, you know, so this is actually happening.
26:15And I think it's important for people to realize that you can win this battle.
26:20You can stop them from giving 14 -year -olds hormones that are going to have
26:25terrible effects on their growth and development.
26:28Stop them from having breast removal surgery, top surgery, as they call it, because they
26:33think they're a boy. I mean, it's crazy stuff.
26:36This is actually, though, taking real effect now.
26:39Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I think that when that New York jury awarded the
26:43detransitioner, the $2 million award, it was the first of its kind.
26:46It was the first medical malpractice of its kind to go to trial.
26:50And I think that really sent shockwaves through the entire, you know, industry.
26:55The doctors who had not been held accountable suddenly were going to be held accountable.
27:00In fact, the girl in that case, she argued that her psychologist, you know, pushed
27:04the idea on her and that she was impressionable and her mom was afraid.
27:08And they just went along with it because they were guilt -tripped into it.
27:11And, you know, the numbers are like, I think it was around...
27:15Close to 4 ,000 adolescents, 12 to 18, transitioned, and that's just in like four
27:21years, from 2016 to 2020, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.
27:26That is an insane number of people who can look back at it and say,
27:30wait, what did I do?
27:31Why did I destroy my body?
27:33Why did I ruin my ability to have children?
27:36But you know what the real thing is to me, guys?
27:38We were told this wasn't happening.
27:40How could they be stopping procedures that we were told were not happening?
27:44It was always like, oh, it's ridiculous.
27:47Young people are not having these procedures.
27:49You have to be 18.
27:50And here they are admitting that they were doing procedures like this, and now that
27:54they're going to stop. Since we've already been talking about the most difficult topic on
27:59the planet, which is trans -related surgeries, I'm going to throw you another tough universe
28:07to step into. And I don't know if we've asked you this yet, Carol.
28:10I believe that it would be fair to call you a Swifty, in that you
28:14and your daughter have been to many Taylor Swift concerts.
28:18And among the greatest of all my predictions is that Taylor Swift is the modern
28:25-day Beatles. Buck Sexton is outraged by my comparison of the two.
28:31Is that a crazy opinion in your mind, and how would you assess it through
28:38not only the prism of your own life, but also through your daughters and presumably
28:43many of her friends that have a strong affinity for Taylor Swift?
28:47I really like Taylor Swift.
28:49I don't know if I get to be called a Twifty.
28:51I couldn't name all of her music.
28:53But I have been to the show.
28:54My daughter and I went to Liverpool like two years ago.
28:56It was so much fun.
28:57She's a fantastic singer -songwriter.
29:00I think that as a lyricist, she's unbelievable.
29:04Beatles, I don't know. But yeah, of course, she's a cultural force.
29:09I actually thought you were going to ask, if she goes on to have children,
29:12is that going to cause some sort of baby boom among the women who were
29:16told that, oh, you don't need babies to be happy?
29:19I think a Kelsey baby that Taylor Swift is carrying around is going to do
29:23more for fertility rates than any government program.
29:28But do you think that Taylor Swift is...
29:30Are you going to sign on with my take or are you Buck's take that
29:34this is a ridiculous take?
29:35That she's comparable to the Beatles?
29:38Yes. I mean, yeah, she's comparable to the Beatles.
29:42She's comparable to Madonna. She's comparable to any humongous artist of their time.
29:46Sure. I just think that we're forgetting.
29:51I knew I liked Carol.
29:54She's an astute observer of the human condition and regularly analyzes in a perceptive way
30:00the larger media ecosystem. I've always said that.
30:04I mean, I just think that you look at the Beatles, maybe has the biggest
30:07impact on music globally of the last hundred years.
30:11Carol, I have grown, the beard has started to come back in, the mustache is
30:16longer. I'm going to make a decision going forward how exactly this decision is going
30:24to go. But, I mean, look, let's be honest.
30:26I am the most trusted mustache in news.
30:31Well, yeah, that's true. It's not a lot of competition, but that makes me the
30:35most trusted. Absolutely. Yeah, I think it's time to shave that, and I'm not just
30:40saying that because I like your wife.
30:43Wow. I like, I think the mustache is great.
30:46Buck is a fan. Well, that's a wrong opinion, Buck.
30:50Well, you know, I'm entitled.
30:52There we go. Go check out the Carol Markowitz show, everybody.
30:55Check it out on the Klamuck Podcast Network.
30:57Ms. Markowitz, great to have you as always.
31:02Imagine walking into a cavernous building full of old school electronic equipment.
31:06Rows and rows of VHS machines, Super 8 film projectors, photo scanners, audio cassette machines,
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31:23next week because Adam and Nick are awesome.
31:26Look, they built a really successful business.
31:28You know what they're also fighting for?
31:29A crazy idea. Let's balance budgets.
31:32And so they've got an organization called In the Black, which focuses on governments not
31:37overspending, that they help support.
31:39I'm going to be talking with them about it next week.
31:42But these guys are just, they're great American patriots who have built a business that
31:46is having a tremendous amount of success because they're trying to preserve family memories.
31:51They want you to be able to share your old VHS cassette tapes, your 8mm
31:57film reels, your old photos, whatever it might be.
32:02What would happen? What would happen if, unfortunately, you had a flood or if your,
32:07let's say, your garage caught fire?
32:09Something goes wrong and all those old family memories, well, they may not survive the
32:14disaster. Or if you've got somebody who is your family member, elderly, and they're putting
32:19them in the garage or in the attic, and you just don't know where they
32:23are. They can get lost in transition from a move, everything else.
32:27What if you digitized them once and for all to make sure all those great
32:31family memories are shareable with the kids and the grandkids?
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33:41Play Travis, Spock Sexton's show.
33:44Rolling into the third hour here in a bit.
33:46But yesterday, I believe it was yesterday, President Trump had a black history celebration in
33:52the White House and a grandma got up and she has gone mega viral for
33:58what she said. And you can enjoy that here.
34:02This is a pro -Trump grandma.
34:04Listen. The beautiful bill that's going to change crime in the district.
34:10If you kill somebody, okay, you take a life, you do life.
34:17Just that simple. If you do a harsh crime, you do harsh time.
34:22Just that simple. And if we need National Guard, and which we did years ago,
34:29he brought it on. I love him.
34:34I don't want to hear nothing you got to say about that racist stuff.
34:37And don't be looking at me on the news hating on me because I'm standing
34:41up for somebody that deserves to be standing up for.
34:43Get off the man's back.
34:45Let him do his job.
34:46He's doing the right thing.
34:48Back up off of me.
34:50And grandma said it. That is the grandma said it.
34:58A lot of you nodding along out there.
35:01That was yesterday in the White House as President Trump honored black history and actually
35:07spent a decent amount of time, I believe, based on the clips that I saw,
35:10also talking about the Reverend Jesse Jackson, who he got along with, Trump did, quite
35:16well. and issued a statement that I thought was very kind on the passing at
35:2384 years old of Jesse Jackson.
35:28One other good bit of news here as we finish the hour, since I'm trying
35:31to look and make sure we got good news, 30 -year mortgage rates are hitting
35:35four -year lows today, Buck.
35:38I don't know how much attention it's going to get.
35:40They're still high, right at 6 % on a 30 -year.
35:44And I know many of you out there have got 3%, 3 .5%, 4 %
35:49mortgages, and so you're not going to be moving.
35:52But these mortgage rates coming down to an era before they started to skyrocket because
35:59of Joe Biden's inflation, it is hugely important to the American economy because we have
36:06to get more houses on the market.
36:09Pricing will be more reasonable, all those things.
36:12So many people are not willing to move because of the mortgages that they have.
36:16We get them back down to 5%.
36:17It's going to make a tremendous difference.
36:19We could be moving in that direction at some time this year.
36:24But mortgage rates, 30 years, have hit a four -year low, worth mentioning for people
36:29out there as the spring shopping season for homes gets closer and closer.
36:35I think there may be a little bit more thawing because so many people are
36:39just not willing to move based on the 15 - and 30 -year mortgage rates
36:43that they got. I know a bunch of you are nodding along right now because
36:46you're saying, hey, I can sell my home but I'm going to have to pay
36:49way more in mortgage rates no matter where I move and that is often true
36:53for a lot of people out there.
36:54So that is worth mentioning and is positive.
37:02Very nice. Everyone can sleep soundly at night knowing that the mortgage rate has dropped
37:09some basis points. Here, by the way, we've said a lot of positive things about
37:13Buck's book which is surging the bestseller list.
37:16A VIP did find a typo, Buck.
37:19And because this audience is more obsessed with grammar than anyone, he felt compelled to
37:26write in, the book is excellent but just letting you know that contact tracing was
37:31spelled contract tracing on page eight.
37:35Buck, how dare you? That typo, I caught it when I was doing the audio
37:40book of Manufacturing Delusion which you should all go download if you have not already.
37:45Go get that audio book.
37:47But Clay, when I was reading it, that one hit me hard, man.
37:51That one was, that was the one type of...
37:53I told you that the toughest thing about doing an audio book is you see
37:56things that you want to fix and it's too late because they're off to the
38:00printer already. I have read, I read the manuscript, the final manuscript on 30 times
38:06through, I mean, so many, to the point where it was like a, like I
38:10just... My eyes were falling out of my head and I didn't catch that one.
38:14So that was the one typo that we weren't able to fix that I knew
38:17was there. But I promise next edition, it'll be gone.
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