Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 27 2026
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0:07So we've got much to discuss here.
0:10And the situation on the TSA lines, for example, something I want to get into
0:15a bit. But you'll notice these Democrats, they pretend that they care so much about
0:23federal government employees when it suits them.
0:27But the moment that they are a political hindrance or there's some problem that they
0:31pose politically, then they're willing to throw them under the bus as fast as possible.
0:37Zoran Mamdani, who is the mayor of New York City, we are back to, and
0:43this was a way that AOC used to get a lot of attention, but we
0:47are back to the old abolish ICE routine, which was 2018's big, I think it
0:54was 2018, 2019. That was the big talking point.
0:57If you remember, kids in cages.
1:00In fact, the former Biden energy secretary shouted at me out of nowhere, kids in
1:05cages, kids in cages, when I was on the Bill Maher show, as like an
1:10argument ender. It's like, oh my gosh, kids, you know, Jennifer Granholm, not a very
1:15bright woman. Cabinet member under Biden, if I recall.
1:17But kids in cages was the thing.
1:20And AOC, you will all recall, remember this, Clay?
1:23She was at the fence, wearing all white.
1:26Oh yeah, dressed all in white.
1:26Oh yeah, I remember that.
1:27Teary -eyed. Oh my God, it's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
1:31Yeah, Zoran Mamdani has now picked up that left -wing, Soros, radical, race, commie, internationalist,
1:41no borders routine. And here he is saying that ICE, guess what, this is cut
1:46nine, ICE should be abolished.
1:50We're making clear that no one is above the law in this city, that everyone
1:54has to follow the rule of it.
1:56And I have made clear to the president, both in our private conversations and our
2:00public conversations, about the fact that I believe that ICE is a rogue agency.
2:04It's a reckless one. It's one that delivers nothing towards the furthering of the cause
2:07of public safety. And I've also been public about my belief that ICE is an
2:11entity that should be abolished.
2:12And that is critically important in our city, where we've seen too many New Yorkers
2:16living in fear of even going to what would otherwise be routine immigration check -ins.
2:23Abolish ICE? I mean, so we won't have an enforcement arm, Clay.
2:27So why do we have federal laws?
2:29Why not tell Congress that they should pass a no -one -is -barred -from -America
2:34law? I think that would make it harder, though, for them to collect taxes from
2:38those of us who are already here and who are citizens.
2:40I think it's going to be harder to get people to fight in your wars
2:43if anyone can come, stay as long as they want or as short as they
2:46want, and go. Well, I think this is the question that if we had an
2:52honest media would get asked.
2:54We had Tom Homan on this week, and Tom Homan has told us before that
2:58he thinks the number of illegal immigrants when he came into office for Trump in
3:03January of 2025 was 20 million.
3:06I think the vast majority of people out there would acknowledge that 20 million is
3:11too many illegal immigrants to have in this country, right?
3:14I mean, I think almost everyone listening to us right now would say that that's
3:18too many. What should the exact number be?
3:20I would like to try to get to zero, and then we could readdress American
3:24immigration policy through a legal process, okay?
3:27What is the number that is too much for Zoran Mondani?
3:30I would love to have Mondani, right?
3:33New York City's budget is broken to a large extent because of the choices that
3:38they are making when it comes to housing illegal immigrants.
3:43Many of you, as you get ready for summer vacation, some of you might find
3:47your way up to New York City, might even be going to see The Lost
3:51Boys, like producer Ali on Broadway, and you will be stunned by what hotel rooms
3:58cost in New York City.
3:59The last time I was in a New York City hotel room, one of the
4:02last times, I couldn't believe, Ali, what did my room cost?
4:06$700 and $800. This is not the nicest hotel.
4:12This is a random Hilton, like a Hilton offshoot, I think.
4:16I got into my room, I laid down on the bed, and I could touch
4:21the wall on both sides.
4:23That's how tiny an $800 a night hotel room was in New York City last
4:28time I was there, okay?
4:30Why is that happening? Because they were putting so many illegal immigrants in so many
4:35hotel rooms, and also, by the way, because they banned Airbnb and VRBO, which is
4:40an interesting discussion as well.
4:42And as a result, normal people can barely afford to stay in normal hotel rooms
4:48in New York City. Buck, they have completely broken the city's budget over illegal immigration,
4:54and yet they feel like they live in this magical, realism, consequence -free world where
5:00they never have to answer the question, what choices are they making, and why are
5:05they making them? And I don't know where this goes.
5:08I honestly don't know where this goes because New York City doesn't have the money
5:13to take care of its actual citizens, and instead they're giving all these benefits to
5:18illegal immigrants. And so the whole Democrat Party, I was watching this morning as I
5:23was getting ready for the show, but I don't know where this goes.
5:24there was you know there's a trend on social media where everybody talks about what
5:28they were like in the 90s have you seen this it's gone super viral of
5:32course everywhere yeah yeah everyone has seen this there was a great clip on my
5:36feed this morning that i saw which was pointing out everything that democrats said in
5:42the 90s about how awful illegal immigration was all i remember bill clinton were bill
5:49clinton were a nation of immigrants but we're also a nation of laws chuck schumer
5:53the border is wide open this is a disgrace you go down the line democrats
5:58all this this is how they basically this is how we got to this point
6:02they just lied to everybody for a long time about this that they actually wanted
6:06the border to be secure and you can go back and find the new york
6:12times editorial board not an editorial writer in 2000 writing about how get ready for
6:19this everybody illegal immigration particularly in areas where there are concentrations of illegal immigrants particularly
6:28suppresses the wages of black americans that was the new york times in 2000 they
6:36were saying there is a disproportionate impact from illegals on members of the black community
6:42in this country our fellow americans who are trying to earn a living pay their
6:46bills do everything else and the new york times is saying we got it we
6:49got to get a hold on this because it's not fair to black americans now
6:52you fast forward a couple of decades and it's you you don't want 10 million
6:57randoms from all over the world piling into this country pretending they're asylum seekers when
7:02they're not they're not going to get asylum they're not going to show up for
7:05their asylum hearings they're not going to be deported clay even if they're denied asylum
7:09because democrats make it as hard if not impossible as they can it's completely insane
7:14they have gone crazy on this issue yes no other country in the way now
7:18they point to other countries and say look at we should have like the working
7:21hours of france they all sit around with scarves on and berets and it actually
7:25sounds kind of nice right now eating baguettes but you know look at france they
7:29do this with everything no other country in the world has the kind of open
7:33borders that we do correct even european countries have not been like like what we
7:38saw under biden 10 million in four years unprecedented well and again i i just
7:43come back to they break budgets they largely especially uh depending on what country they're
7:50from but many of them do not embrace western civilizational values they are not uh
7:56overall assets to the country and again i if we want to have a real
8:02conversation about what the legal immigration rate should be in the country that's a really
8:07interesting question right if we go truly and are taking people who are incredible intellectual
8:14educational assets and they're going to come here and they're going to start uh jobs
8:19what uh start jobs start new businesses everything else take advantage of the systems that
8:23exist in america what was the percentage of somalian uh illegal uh somalian legal immigrants
8:30in minnesota buck that was on well that were on welfare wasn't it 80 80
8:3680 of somali immigrants these are legal immigrants in minnesota 80 of them immediately go
8:43on welfare uh and we're talking multi -generational uh 80 how does that in any
8:49way make america better first of all it's illegal uh you should never be able
8:54to come to this country and immediately go on welfare that's a sign that our
8:58immigration system has failed because we're supposed to be taking people who can contribute to
9:04american life not act as leeches effectively on american life not show up here and
9:11immediately take your taxpayer dollars to support people that are not uh born american citizens
9:17particularly when we don't have the resources to take care of everyone in america in
9:24a way that democrats would like i don't even understand how democrat voters can support
9:29giving all these benefits to illegal immigrants when there are people who are american citizens
9:36that aren't getting the resources they would love to have you have to remember though
9:39the what the propaganda has been for a long time about illegals in this country
9:43we're told they commit less crimes and we do which is a lie by the
9:46way like than the average american i also would point out i don't care because
9:51we're americans they're not and also by the way that their rate of violent crime
9:55should be zero right i mean so the fact the argument of they do crimes
10:00at lower levels well how about their crime should be zero because they shouldn't be
10:04here it's uh it's remarkable and then the other thing is doing the jobs americans
10:10won't do really the illegal propaganda for a long time from the democrat media industrial
10:17complex was that illegals are better than other legal immigrants mind you yes and certainly
10:25better than lazy coddled americans that was our own media for a long time doing
10:31the jobs we won't do remember that like oh yeah that's been an argument for
10:34a long time they'll do they'll do the jobs we won't do if they're paid
10:37under the table off the books because they aren't supposed to be here and they're
10:41often exploited by these labor practices the whole thing this is but it's so insulting
10:46the whole thing is so so so the argument in favor of the illegals was
10:50that they're easier for unscrupulous business owners or you know business people to exploit you
10:56know they won't complain to osha at the chicken processing or the meat processing plant
11:00so they're better than we are no that's actually not how this should be viewed
11:05at all well it's also buck you could take the logical extension of that you
11:10know who would be even cheaper slaves right like at some point if you're not
11:15paying people fair wages and you're saying well americans won't do these jobs yeah they
11:21won't work for slave slave labor wages right so uh this is an argument for
11:27the percentage of americans that are not working right now uh which is not insubstantial
11:32a lot of people are on the sidelines if we had a functional american economy
11:37that paid everybody uh what a fair wages would be then we'd have a lot
11:42more americans coming off the sidelines i think to work i really do it's amazing
11:47also they've tried to convince the american people that the laws of supply and demand
11:52are somehow frozen when it comes to illegals in the labor market and every other
11:58thing we can all recognize there's more of a thing you know there's more buyers
12:02than sellers if there's more product than there than there is demand all these affect
12:06price these affect the wages and everything else and yet with this we're told you
12:11can have all these people who are brought into the country and specifically go into
12:16usually unskilled trade certain parts of the labor pool and it's not going to affect
12:21the price millions of people it's not going to affect the price that that uh
12:24business owners can pay if that were the case why do we have so many
12:29people that only want to hire illegals for example in the meat processing plants things
12:33like that by the way it reminds you the h1b scam scam overwhelmingly a scam
12:39and even elon elon was i you know i have a tremendous amount of respect
12:43for elon clay elon was dead wrong on this vivek ramaswamy was dead wrong on
12:50this in a way that has really continued to haunt him politically i know he's
12:53running for governor in ohio wrong on this issue because what it turned into was
12:57sort of a cartel of particularly indians coming here hiring other indians underpaying people because
13:04they can't go anywhere but they get the chain migration benefit they get to skip
13:09to the front of the line for staying here forever so they're willing to take
13:1220 less wages it's not because the h1bs are all geniuses i would also point
13:17out one other thing that is not getting a lot of attention you know what's
13:20starting to happen in many different cities across america the overall rents are collapsing i
13:26was looking at a graphic book uh two days ago many of our red state
13:32super popular cities austin nashville many of your cities in florida people were so overwhelmed
13:40about the fact that during the biden era the overall rent rates skyrocketed for many
13:47of you and a lot of you out there that rent know exactly what i'm
13:50talking about go look at the data since we have started to take illegals out
13:55of the country look at how much rent have started to come back down why
14:00would that be oh because the people who were illegally here are not taking up
14:07as much of the housing and hold on hold on hold on yeah yeah are
14:11you suggesting that supply and demand also affects housing and not just the labor market
14:16yes this is actually where democrats played supremely dumb with jd vance you remember with
14:22tim walls when he said if we have less illegal immigrants the overall cost of
14:27housing rent and purchase will decline and they said what are you basing that on
14:32and the answer is supply and demand like the base most basic of all economic
14:37rules uh and it's starting to have a pretty significant impact if you got young
14:42kids if you yourself are responsible for renting you're seeing those numbers come back down
14:48a big way people a lot of people getting free months a lot of people
14:51getting two three hundred dollars off compared to what they used to pay uh in
14:55rent the markets are getting better as the number of illegals are declining one of
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16:14iheart app or wherever you get your podcasts welcome in hour number two clay Travis,
16:20Buck Sexton Show. President Trump speaking at the White House right now with a large
16:25collection of farmers. We are expecting the House to reject the bill that was passed
16:34by the Senate. Remember, President Trump, a lot of flurry of activity yesterday as it
16:40pertains to TSA. President Trump said he would pay TSA under his emergency powers, saying
16:47it is an emergency right now, what is going on at the airports.
16:51I think Democrats would be likely to challenge Trump's authority legally to do that if
16:58it were to happen. Around 3 a .m., a bill passed the Senate.
17:03It is now in the House, and the House GOP is expected to put forward
17:08their own bill rather than ratify the bill that has been passed by the Senate.
17:13For those of you that are following along with all of the stories there.
17:19Now, I did want to have a little bit of fun, Buck.
17:23This was on the sheet yesterday, and we didn't get to it.
17:26But for all of you out there that are not aware, Buck is going to
17:31have to buy me another steak because Kamala Harris is going to run for President
17:34of the United States in 2028.
17:38This one's not going to come in a gold case with a light show, by
17:41the way. I got to renovate my kitchen here, so we're going to have to,
17:46this is going to be a little more of a, you know, Outback Steakhouse kind
17:50of an outing. So Kamala and Gavin Newsom have been squaring off in public, and
17:57this was an interview, I believe, that Gavin Newsom did with Axios.
18:02And there are a couple of things that stand out about this that I thought
18:06were worthy of discussing. The first is, Gavin Newsom, we've got a contrary take on
18:14this. The first is Gavin Newsom said that Elon Musk is one of the great
18:20disappointments of this era. That's a tough argument to make, but I'll let Gavin Newsom
18:26make it. Cut 21. One of the great disappointments.
18:30One of our, one of the great innovators of our time.
18:32He's the Edison of our time.
18:33It breaks my heart. I was the first, you know, I was one of the
18:36first Teslas off the line.
18:37I've been one of their biggest proponent supporters.
18:39It was regulation in California that created the conditions that allowed him to take the
18:43risk to become the multi -billionaire, maybe trillionaire that he's become.
18:48But right now he's allowing, and I think this is Trump, not just Elon Musk.
18:53He's going to allow the greatest on goal in, I think, one of the most
18:58significant on goals in the next decade is ceding the EV space to China.
19:04He means own goal, right?
19:06He kept saying own goal.
19:07I think, I think he said, I was listening to that too.
19:10I love that. I heard on goal sports reference.
19:13His voice sounds like he's sick or something the way that he was talking, but
19:17it sounds like he's not saying own goal.
19:19For those of you who don't know, you can probably figure it out.
19:22But one of the greatest flaws in soccer would be to score yourself on your
19:29own team, a so -called own goal when you knock it into your own net
19:33inadvertently, unless you're, you know, shaving points.
19:37Uh, uh, then, uh, but so that's one of the great flaws.
19:40Now I thought this was interesting, Buck.
19:43Um, Joe Rogan simultaneously making the exact opposite argument, uh, that Elon Musk is actually
19:51one of the most important figures historically when it comes to communications in this country.
19:57Cut 20. Listen, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be.
20:04I've said this before. I'll say it again.
20:07History will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter and it, it has changed
20:12the course of communication in this country for the better.
20:16I know a lot of you thought, oh my God, the racism is up and
20:20all this stuff is up.
20:20That's people. That's the internet.
20:23That is an accurate representation, representation of people.
20:26It's not good, but it's also accurate.
20:28And the only way that's going to change is if the other voices are more
20:32compelling and at least now they have an opportunity to do that.
20:36Okay. So I do think, I think he's right, Buck.
20:38I bet you would sign on as well.
20:40Strong agree on that first part.
20:42It has enormously benefited, uh, actual meaningful free speech for Elon.
20:48I can't say it enough.
20:50I'm not, I don't like to do, uh, you know, butt kissing.
20:52I'm not somebody that's like, oh, what he did is incredible.
20:56It has benefited the country enormously.
20:58And, uh, you know, he's, he's the most impressive entrepreneur and business visionary of our
21:05era on top of doing more for free speech.
21:08Then the only person who maybe has done as much for free speech in our
21:11lifetime is Donald Trump. It's really those two guys.
21:14I would argue Trump has expanded the Overton window such that you actually now could
21:19play. You remember back in the day, like a decade ago or so you could
21:22go back every conservative commentator can tell you, you had to always operate in this
21:29realm of, are you going to get in trouble for something you said?
21:32Are you going to get in trouble for something you said?
21:34Are they going to create some digital lynch mob that's going to come for you
21:38and demand that your sponsors flee and everything else?
21:41That crap doesn't really happen the same way anymore.
21:44It really just doesn't. And it's such a benefit to the country.
21:47uh that people have more we have a more free speech tolerant culture now online
21:54than we have had in my whole life i think it's 100 correct and um
22:00i i think elon deserves a tremendous about of that uh credit i think he
22:06is the most successful capitalist of all time i believe buck he's already a trillionaire
22:11uh because when spacex announces that it's going to go public he will officially be
22:16a trillionaire but based on what the valuations look like i i think he's already
22:20there uh now that i've mentioned as the lead in the kamala harris bet that
22:25trump that buck's going to lose over whether kamala is going to run or not
22:29the back and forth between kamala and newsome continues and uh he wasn't happy gavin
22:37newsome wasn't with how she portrayed him in her book again this is from the
22:43axios interview cut 22 so former vice president kamala harris why don't you guys like
22:48each other uh a preposterous premise of a question because we absolutely do well she
22:52took a shot at you in her book you didn't speak at her convention i
22:56mean we can even go back to the san francisco days her and guilfoyle i
23:00mean no there seems to be something there no and quite the contrary i introduced
23:03her at the convention it was even more personal she gave me a little shot
23:08as it relates to the actual truth of the the walk i was on and
23:14i remember texting her back i said come on i've already put out a statement
23:18supporting you the last person you need to talk to but for whatever reason she
23:22added that and i think it graded some color for the book they really do
23:27you believe that they do not like each other or do you think they are
23:32fine with each other like what is you said yes earlier this week that you
23:36think gavin newsom is such a sociopath that he doesn't even care if his own
23:41father -in -law moves to florida that if that's the case then he clearly can't
23:46care about kamala harris at all i think my father -in -law take was a
23:49strong take and i think no question in my mind same thing with kamala gavin
23:55newsom gavin newsom his brain operates like a reptile brain is it is it too
24:00hot or too cold where i am i need food you know he's pure what
24:05is it the amygdala he's pure amygdala whatever is in his immediate benefit and meets
24:10his immediate needs is where gavin newsom will go so if kamala harris is in
24:15his way she's the enemy if kamala harris being friends with her makes him look
24:19more uh pro -women particularly pro -minority women oh you know whatever we could sketch
24:25all this out then he is very pro -kamala but personal feelings i don't know
24:32if he's even capable of personal feelings i don't know you know it's like you
24:36mentioned a pet a pet alligator it's like can an alligator ever love you i
24:40don't know i'm not sure we'd have to talk to some people that have really
24:43handled reptiles a lot can a can a reptile feel affection for you the way
24:47that a mammal can i don't know that's a great question i i never even
24:51really thought about how much reptiles by the way not a lot of people came
24:54for me on the pit bull take a lot of people because i think it's
24:57a pretty nuanced take actually i'm not anti -pit bull i'm just you need to
25:01you know you're carrying around a loaded ar -15 you're not carrying a bb gun
25:03i got like five to one people um agreeing with me which i was a
25:08little surprised maybe that's just a confirmation bias for some reason in my inbox but
25:13that was the not you know again because i know that there are sweet dogs
25:17of every breed but some dogs are bigger problems than others i think it's a
25:21good analogy i mean you know a bb gun versus an ar -15 one can
25:25do more damage i mean you can make it kind of for any context right
25:28like a big wheel you don't have to be as worried about running into a
25:32wall as you would if you're driving a ferrari i mean you know there are
25:36just different rates of speed that lead to different dangers i take people to the
25:40range i take first timers the range i'm not good enough to like i have
25:44friends who are competition shooters and all that but i'm very solid now at taking
25:48people i'm licensed to do it here uh taking people to the range uh and
25:53and giving them like a first range day experience if they've really never shot before
25:57and i can just tell you if i have somebody with a bolt action 22
26:00on the line particularly if someone's like younger you know if someone's like a you
26:03know in their teenage years are there with dad i've taken a teenage friend of
26:07mine with his dad you know they've you get the 22 going you're like okay
26:10you know you got to be on target all the you can still die from
26:13a 22 right it's it's not that but if i take somebody because i have
26:17had friends with ffls who have fully automatic weapons and i put them on the
26:20line with a squad automatic weapon clay which fires at a very rapid rate of
26:25speed full auto it has a lot more movement everything else i'm paying closer attention
26:30you know what i mean yeah so i'll even say that both of those are
26:33lethal situations in the sense you have to be careful these are both firearms but
26:38one firearm you really got to pay attention right and that's how i view the
26:42dog thing not to get in the dog conversation but i think gavin newsome is
26:45not even a canine i think he's a reptile i have brought this full circle
26:49whatever whatever brings him lunch that day is what he wants that's all he really
26:54got me thinking about whether reptiles can be loving now i never really had thought
26:59about it but is there a reptile that is supremely lovable cuddly i i don't
27:06know i'm not a snake guy i think that their brains are not capable of
27:11that level of connection is my thought but we probably have people who are going
27:15to say a you know i had a pet gecko pet birds can definitely bond
27:19with the birds are way smarter than a lot of people like the whole notion
27:22of bird brain crows are freakishly smart i mean there are there are birds there
27:28are uh great african gray parrots some of these pets that people have can last
27:32uh these pet birds can last 40 50 years and and they know people and
27:37they have favorites and and people they don't like so birds definitely can bond very
27:40tightly with people i don't think i don't think reptiles can hey if any reptile
27:45owners want to let want to let me in on this or let me know
27:47i will say the alligator whisperer that i that i went out with here though
27:51the alligators knew him and they came out and and were very kind of curious
27:55about him in a way that seemed like they recognized him so would a turtle
28:00be able to have love i don't know that's a real question on the clay
28:07but we're trying to fix the iran war and the economy but also but you
28:11really got me thinking like i've never really thought through can reptiles love their owners
28:16we were making joke yesterday about um you know somebody who raises let's say an
28:21alligator from you know the the time when it's a baby until the time i
28:25mean i think they can have familiarity but you know a dog or a cat
28:30i think they would be capable of loving an owner dogs more than cats but
28:35sorry cat people uh it is a really good question uh dimitri in houston let
28:40me try to get a call in here before we finish the segment dimitri what
28:43you got for us you guys uh quick the uh democrats will fight to the
28:48nail to integrate this 20 million or 25 illegal legal or illegal or migrants digitally
28:56they're going to try to integrate them into our society because everything is digital for
29:00bank accounts for direct payments even western union implemented the stable coin as a choice
29:07of digital currency transactions black chain they're going to argue that hey we're going to
29:12need to collect spiker taxes so let's put them under the payroll where they're going
29:16to need to pay for social security they'll open 401ks they will contribute to the
29:22tax payment system uh disability insurance social security they're going to come up 100 different
29:28excuses but if you do the statistics it takes about six years to have four
29:35million people born in united states and another 18 to become uh illegally uh capable
29:42to vote so instead of them waiting five years plus 18 they're going to have
29:47one shot of 20 million people injected into the system and that's their voting base
29:52so that's the platform they're running they're going to need that voting base because everyone
29:57is abandoning their their their ideology i think thank you for the call dimitri i
30:03think you're 100 right look the one way to think about this is i think
30:07democrats let in all of these illegals almost as sleeper cell citizens because they're here
30:16and at some point in time having created this mess they're going to say democrats
30:21are we can't have 20 million constant people living here who are not citizens we
30:29have to give them all a pathway to citizenship a form of amnesty and so
30:34they are uh being incredibly duplicitous long term in terms of what arguments they are
30:41making with the idea being at some point when the political world is more favorable
30:47to the argument they're going to flip the switch and say these people all need
30:51to be citizens and they see it as an opportunity to bring in additional millions
30:56of voters i think dimitri's right i don't think there's any doubt at all about
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32:29saxon show gets going right now we are joined by the florida state attorney general
32:35james booth meyer ag booth meyer attorney general appreciate you making time for us today
32:41from the great state of florida my home you love this place love the uh
32:45way that this whole state is trending thank you for all of your work on
32:49the law enforcement side clay has some specific questions we want to get to here
32:53uh in a second i just wanted to know talk to me about some of
32:57the the the trends uh the top priorities what are you doing from a law
33:02enforcement perspective under your tenure here in florida because it feels like the state is
33:07overall really really cooking yeah we're look we're prosecuting we're enforcing law and order uh
33:15we're putting bad guys away and our crime rates continue to go way way down
33:20you know when i took office florida was already at record crime lows uh but
33:25the topic of fentanyl was coming up every time i talked to sheriffs it was
33:29surging into communities across the state uh now just over a year later our fentanyl
33:34death rate is down over 35 our fentanyl cases are down almost 60 percent uh
33:41crime continues to plummet because we figured it out here we support law enforcement we
33:45give them the tools to be successful uh we support the federal government with their
33:49efforts especially on illegal immigration uh it's not hard it's not rocket science you enforce
33:56the law uh james appreciate you coming on with us uh i think the last
34:00time we saw you was at the uh indiana miami game uh for the national
34:04title bucks only college football game of the year so not a bad one to
34:08go to um but a lot of the guys that were playing on the field
34:12there uh are going to aspire to go into the nfl one day um and
34:17one of the nfl's signature uh i would say sort of social compacts has been
34:23the rooney rule and for people who don't know out there you can kind of
34:26dive into the rooney rule a bit but i'll give a kind of a rough
34:30approximation here basically the nfl requires that minorities be interviewed before new coaches can be
34:38hired uh and that rule has been in place for around 20 years there are
34:42three nfl uh teams in the state of florida one in tampa bay one in
34:46jacksonville one in miami as as most of our listeners would know and you have
34:50now issued guidance that the rooney rule uh potentially is going to be violating the
34:56florida civil rights statutes explain for us why that's significant and what your letter said
35:01sure well the rooney rule which has been around for a good little while uh
35:07it requires nfl teams to uh interview a number of minority candidates before hiring non
35:15-minority candidates it requires some uh assistant coaching positions to be filled by minorities or
35:22women it actually goes so far as to say uh if you have minorities um
35:27you know that advance into higher coaching positions from your staff uh there's a scenario
35:32where you can be awarded additional draft picks so teams are clearly um required to
35:39violate florida law we have a civil rights act that's been on the books for
35:42decades uh you cannot discriminate against people based on the color of their skin based
35:48on race when it comes to hiring and advancement um you know a lot of
35:53states are looking at dei and the problems associated with it some states are passing
35:58new laws but the reality is we don't really need to most every state has
36:03a long -standing civil rights act i think the civil rights movement uh did some
36:08wonderful things to ensure the the rights the benefits of our constitution are being afforded
36:13to all people equally and today you know we've seen the pendulum swing so far
36:18uh where people are being discriminated against because they're white so look fans at home
36:23they're not you know wanting teams to hire people based on color they care about
36:28the color of the jersey of their team they want to see their team win
36:32they don't care what race is winning they want to see people you know hired
36:36and promoted based on merit so what do you expect to happen based on this
36:41letter um and by the way i think you're 100 % right on the law
36:44i've been one of the few people who's been pointing out for some time that
36:48this flies in the face of i think not only a lot of state law
36:51but federal law given that roughly a third of nfl teams are based in the
36:56state of florida what's the what have you asked the nfl to do and what
37:00do you anticipate going forward well i've asked the nfl to get back to me
37:06uh by may one so a little over a month away and confirm that they're
37:11going to remove this rule remove these requirements that are unlawful here in florida and
37:15i believe many other states on if they don't do it then you know we'll
37:19pursue formal legal action in court but i'm a big believer in trying to work
37:24things out talk things out hopefully they'll do a deep dive and realize uh that
37:29their policy is indeed illegal uh and look you know if minorities are getting jobs
37:35and doing well performing well uh i am all for it i could not be
37:40happier uh but what does this rule say to to minority candidates that are getting
37:44jobs on merit uh how do they know if they're being hired and advanced because
37:49they deserve it uh and not because of some other legal technicality so when i
37:54when i took this job i told my team we're going to do the right
37:57thing no matter what we're going to do the right thing even if it brings
38:01negative press and and costs us something and this is one one of those examples
38:06where this violates the law and we got to do the right thing speaking to
38:09florida attorney general general Uthmeyer and Mr.
38:13Attorney General you have obviously been involved with the alligator Alcatraz situation here in this
38:21state it's got a lot of national attention we talked about it what is the
38:24status of that detention facility and and how would you say the cooperation level is
38:32going with federal authorities for lawful deportations to be occurring at the pace that the
38:41administration is seeking well alligator Alcatraz is still up and running you know the media
38:49doesn't talk about it anymore after they you know helped incentivize and promote a bunch
38:55of sham lawsuits that were all struck down so it's been operating every day never
39:00never once was closed down despite some reports and I'll tell you it you know
39:04I understand the name it gets some attention gets a chuckle but the reality is
39:10the location was important money on some new perimeter is 32 square mile of runway
39:20which is a you know non -public use airport for law enforcement training it was
39:25abandoned for commercial use back in the 60s or 70s it's got a two and
39:30a half mile runway so when it comes to deportation flights people can get bused
39:35there you know they can't really escape if they do there's nowhere to go and
39:39then there's an easy one way out flight to get them back to where they
39:42came from I'll tell you I've looked at the roster of people that have been
39:46housed there going back to the beginning and a lot of these people they serve
39:49time or were charged with some of the most heinous offenses murder attempted murder sexual
39:55assault abuse of children the media never talked about that they acted like this place
40:00was inhumane but they did not highlight you know the victims out there that suffered
40:04greatly at the hands of some of these people that never should have been you
40:10mentioned that the overall worries like minnesota here you mentioned that the overall crime rates
40:15have been declining precipitously in florida and I know we have a lot of floridians
40:20who would be very happy with that where can you do better are there parts
40:24of the state that still have too high of a crime rate uh how much
40:28uh you know uh we've we've talked in memphis for example where I live in
40:32tennessee the mayor of memphis has been somewhat willing to work with the trump administration
40:37how much are democrat mayors fighting you on some of these things where do you
40:41think the state of florida can still improve when it comes to trying to tamp
40:45down on crime yeah well you hit the nail on the head our crime rates
40:50are not where they should be in areas like broward county orange county that's orlando
40:55and these are areas where we have democrat officials in charge they just they do
40:59not take it seriously we had a prosecutor in orlando who stipulated to let a
41:05guy who attempted to murder somebody out on probation only where shortly thereafter he shot
41:11and killed three tourists at disney um just a couple months ago this stuff cannot
41:16happen uh we're fighting this you know epidemic across the country we need to lock
41:21bad people up for a while one area in florida we still have to address
41:25uh human trafficking is a big deal especially in south florida it's the third highest
41:30trafficked area in the country because of the wealth the international presence the entertainment so
41:36i've made it a big initiative working with our prosecutors and local law enforcement there
41:40going into world cup fifa uh going into f1 we're going to be all hands
41:45on deck to stop this predatory practice that's very very criminal is there any uh
41:50specific outreach or connectivity with the trump white house on you know you haven't had
41:56the situation of uh national focus that say dc has had or we mentioned memphis
42:02before and i know we're talking statewide now with florida but with with any city
42:06here it hasn't come up in that conversation of there's an emergency like memphis like
42:12uh chicago like dc of persistent crime numbers that are too high and don't come
42:17down but is there some federal uh working with you or working with state authorities
42:24to help in an area like orlando for example or are those resources not really
42:29uh needed at this point the way they are in some of those other cities
42:33now this federal government has been fantastic everything from uh the fbi the homeland security
42:40to to the marshals you know we've rescued almost 400 missing kids in the last
42:45year and and the u .s marshals have been a fantastic partner in that operation
42:50um you know we we had some cases where we were not getting help under
42:54the biden administration uh we had a trafficking uh case where a guy had molested
42:59and molested and trafficked children and we we couldn't get doj under biden to take
43:04it seriously and and within a year uh we've locked somebody up for the rest
43:08of his life because we had a federal government that shared evidence and supported us
43:11uh and that that example is not isolated it goes across the board so we
43:16take advantage of it we're very blessed james uh there is a video and i
43:20know you may not want to comment on a specific case but i'm sure that
43:24your team has seen it of a famous online influencer shooting alligators allegedly um what
43:33is the rule on something like that and how often nowadays do People begin to
43:40investigate crimes, sometimes, maybe even it's often, based on social media posts.
43:48Yeah, well, look, in that case, what I'll say is I know local law enforcement
43:52is already engaged. They were right away.
43:55The Fish and Wildlife Commission has certainly seen the video and is investigating as well.
44:02My, you know, the head of my communications team, Jeremy, he told me I need
44:06to go ahead and announce that I recommend against crime and maxing in Florida.
44:10And I don't even know what that means, which means I'm not as plugged into
44:13the social media sphere as some.
44:16But the reality is when you want to do stupid things to get attention, you
44:21know, if you break the law here in Florida, there's no exception for influencers or
44:26public media specialists. You break the law, you're going to pay for it.
44:30So we're going to look at this.
44:31And if there's criminal activity, which, you know, seems somewhat apparent based on first glance,
44:36there will be serious repercussions.
44:38Just to follow up on Clay's question, shooting it, and I know it's allegations video,
44:43outside of the facts of that case that everyone can see, that everyone's seen the
44:47videos online, just as a matter of law, shooting an alligator is very much illegal
44:52in this state, right? Yeah, you know, we've got licensing programs for alligators and turkeys
45:00and deer and, you know, anything you want to go out and hunt.
45:02You can't just go out and start shooting animals, shooting alligators without the proper tags.
45:08So, yes, it is a crime.
45:10Yeah. I didn't know you.
45:11This is much less serious than that.
45:13I didn't realize you were a national champion Florida Gator athlete.
45:17My team just told me about this, that you ran for the Florida Gators.
45:23What did you think of the loss to Iowa for the defending Florida Gator national
45:29champs? And what do you think of the new football hire?
45:32Buck's wife is a Florida Gator grad as well.
45:35What can you tell us as a former athlete with the Gators about the status
45:39and stature of the Florida Gator athletic programs right now?
45:43Well, our athletic program is always one of, if not the best in the country.
45:49We get the all sports awards very frequently.
45:52You know, the lesser known sports, you know, tennis, lacrosse, baseball, distance running, track.
46:00You know, we've always had top national teams.
46:03The football team, it's, you know, it's had its struggles of late.
46:06You know, I was there for the whole Tebow era and it seems like yesterday,
46:10but I guess I'm getting older, we'll be back one way or another.
46:14The basketball loss was heartbreaking.
46:16You know, I do think that team had even more talent than the team the
46:20year before. And, you know, in the March madness, things have to drop your way.
46:25And, you know, we didn't get some of the lucky bounces, some of the penalty
46:28calls. We didn't have the hoops dropping where we needed them.
46:32But I think a lot of that team is going to be back.
46:34So I'm very optimistic. I think we've got a good coach, a good team.
46:37We'll be ready for next year.
46:38You are also endorsed by Trump and on the ballot this year.
46:44For people who don't know, how can they go find out about your race and
46:49support you? Because I think you've done a really good job.
46:53Well, I appreciate it. You know, people hopefully are seeing me out there.
46:58I've done the job as much as I can.
47:00You know, as a longtime staffer that focused on policy, it was an honor to
47:05be Governor DeSantis as chief of staff for almost four years and to be part
47:09of the, you know, the great policies on public safety, education, school choice, you name
47:15it, over the last few years.
47:17It's weird now to be a candidate and be forward -facing.
47:19But I'm out there fighting the fight.
47:21I'm going to support law enforcement.
47:23I'm going to do everything I can to put bad guys away.
47:25The people at home hopefully, you know, have seen that or will see it.
47:30If you want to learn more, you can visit james4fl .com.
47:33I'm on social media everywhere.
47:35I love good ideas. If there's a wrong we need to address in Florida, I'm
47:39ready to do it no matter who it's going to take off.
47:42Awesome. Well, I live here, and you've done a great job as Attorney General for
47:46the years that I've lived here, Mr.
47:48A .G. Uthmeyer. So thank you so much.
47:50Appreciate you being with us.
47:51All right. I think we might have lost the end there.
47:54After that high five, yeah.
47:55There we go. He has done a great job.
47:57Look, all over the country of Israel right now, it is incredibly difficult for so
48:05many people out there to deal with the challenges of the constant missiles, of the
48:11constant drone strikes. And as a result, there are a ton of people that are
48:16constantly finding themselves in bomb shelters.
48:19You know, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is one of the top locations
48:23out there for providing bomb shelters to so many different people of all different backgrounds
48:30in Israel. They also provide food and emergency supplies, and they care for the elderly,
48:36including Holocaust survivors. Right now, people of Israel need your help.
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49:04Sometimes all. All you can do is laugh, and they do a lot of it
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49:19Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
49:21My CIA brother from another mother joins us now.
49:24Mike Baker, retired CIA covert operations officer specializing in counterterrorism, counter -narcotics, counterinsurgency operations.
49:33A lot of counters, and you know what you don't have in there?
49:36Analysts. You don't have analysts in there, Mike, which don't worry.
49:39I didn't let Clay get away with such crazy smears as to call you an
49:45analyst. I thought I was giving him a compliment.
49:46You never wore a pocket protector.
49:49You didn't have to return from the war zone because of a runny nose.
49:55I like how you said that we get uppity about it.
49:59Oh, no, you guys definitely get uppity about it, Mike.
50:02Let's be honest. Let's be honest.
50:05If an analyst ever, ever messed up on that.
50:09We can be a little bit up our own asses, that's for sure.
50:12So you're right. We can take offense easily.
50:15So we had a woman call in.
50:18I don't know if you know about this.
50:19It was amazing. Caller Linda came up with the idea, we think.
50:23Well, she came up with the idea, and we think it made it all the
50:25way to the White House to put ice in the airports, and that's been amazing.
50:28And we said, maybe she can call in and fix the Strait of Hormuz.
50:31She hasn't called back with that one yet.
50:33So I'm going to put this to you.
50:34You're a former CIA covert operations officer.
50:38Fix the Strait of Hormuz.
50:39Fix the Iran war. What do you see going on?
50:41By the way, Mike also hosts the wildly successful PDB podcast, which all of you
50:44should go check out. But, Mike, fix the Strait of Hormuz.
50:47Fix Iran. What's happening? Yeah.
50:50Well, you know what? I'm with Linda.
50:51Let's send a heist out to the Strait, see what happens.
50:56Look, this is the problem here.
50:58You can believe contradictory things at the same time, right?
51:02Multiple things can be true.
51:04So you can believe that the Iranian regime was well -deserving of a serious ass
51:09-kicking. But you can also believe that we should have seen that the Strait would
51:17be the leverage point, right?
51:21That it would all come down to the Strait of Hormuz because we've seen this
51:25before, right? And they've done this before.
51:28They've created chaos in the Strait when they've, you know, felt threatened or they're trying
51:32to make a point or they're looking for negotiation tactics.
51:35They've threatened to close the Strait for decades.
51:38So while I fully support this military operation to massively degrade the military capabilities of
51:48Iran, I'm a little concerned that it seems like we perhaps didn't think through what,
51:55admittedly in hindsight, but I think it was clear before, that it was going to
52:01come down to this, right?
52:02That we should have had scenarios in place already that would then say if this
52:08happens, which it was going to happen because the Iranian military can't go toe -to
52:12-toe with the U .S.
52:14and Israeli militaries, this was the only direction they could go to impact the situation
52:19and to try to extract concessions.
52:22So I'm a little concerned that we now seem to be in reactive mode as
52:28opposed to, you know, pulling the playbook off the shelf, knowing that this was going
52:31to happen. And look, I filled up my truck yesterday, $102.
52:38It's untenable from a political perspective.
52:41Republicans are going to get an ass kicking in the midterms.
52:45Okay, so at this point in time, we are where we are.
52:50Would there be any benefit to putting any boots on the ground in the Strait
52:55of Hormuz -related area from your perspective, analyzing that situation?
53:00Because there's been a lot of talk about taking Cargillin, potentially putting guys and gals
53:06potentially in the Strait of Hormuz area where we could control ingress and egress more
53:12so. So smart, is it then becoming even more of a mess?
53:16How would you assess that if you were asked by the president?
53:21Yeah, well, look, I think they've already tried to cover their potential options.
53:26They put out two Marine Expeditionary Units, about 2 ,500 soldiers each and a couple
53:32thousand sailors to support. They've got the 82nd Airborne sending out its elements.
53:37Got a lot of assets out there.
53:38And the problem is this.
53:41It doesn't take much for the Iranian regime, as it exists now even, after having
53:48its leadership decimated, to create this mess.
53:53So if you're talking about taking a handful of islands, and it's not just the
53:58Strait. We talk about the Strait all the time.
54:00But the Iranians have created trouble in the Gulf, right?
54:05And so their reach is pretty significant.
54:08They've got a massive coastline.
54:09And so if you're talking about a season -occupied operation with these assault forces, and
54:20you're talking then about you have to combine that with this international naval force that
54:26the president's been talking about, which a number of allies are somewhat reluctant to join
54:31in on while there's still fighting going on.
54:34that's well and good you can create an environment where you could allow for it
54:40would be slow but safe passage of vessels but you've got the threat still you're
54:47talking it's so it's it's not in any way a long -term fix and you've
54:54got to create an environment where the shipping and insurance industries feel comfortable enough to
54:59get back to business so when you talk about seizing some territory or you talk
55:04about using this international naval force how long are we talking about right you can't
55:11run that indefinitely and so i i'm not sure where they're going i suspect the
55:16president is really working hard to try to find a way to cut a deal
55:21that means making some concessions to the iranians that's not going to be very popular
55:25we're speaking on mike baker host of the pdb podcast and mike uh you you're
55:33you're bringing i think a a seasoned and somewhat salty but in a good way
55:39perspective to the situation because war is hell and it is certainly complicated and the
55:45enemy gets a vote as well and all this it sounds to me like your
55:49sense of this and by the way this is great because we've had people asking
55:51us to have on more conservative voices who are educated on these things which you
55:56certainly are who are you know more critical maybe a little more skeptical however you
56:01want to position it about some of the president's military action in iran so i
56:05think you're bringing that interesting or that uh necessary perspective into the conversation it sounds
56:11like i've i thought this way too by the way for a while now i
56:14just want to make sure that this is where you are regime change that's just
56:17not happening is that is that how you see it like we're we're going to
56:20be negotiating with some form of this regime and that's the way this is going
56:24to play out yeah yeah look i would love i would love to see regime
56:29change right you're never going to have anything resembling long -term peace and stability in
56:34that region uh or a better more prosperous more opportune life for those people in
56:40iran with that regime in place in whatever form and it certainly looks like the
56:44hardliners have you know cemented their position the irgc in particular right they've pushed that
56:51political group and all the others to the side i don't even think the clerics
56:55really are are uh you know in in a position of authority i think they
57:00realize okay from an optic in the narrative position sure it's still a theocracy the
57:04irgc is running that show and so you've got to find somebody to have a
57:10discussion with but i i would love to see that regime go there's no doubt
57:14about it like i said they have deserved this ass kicking for a long time
57:18but um i'm just talking from an operational pragmatic perspective this is messy this is
57:26this is really problematic because again it does not take much to do what they're
57:32doing with this straight of hormuz and disrupting global energy markets and supplies right um
57:40because you're dealing with you've got to convince the the commercial sector you've got to
57:47convince the insurers and the shippers that it's safe to do this and and i
57:51refuse to think that the u .s is going to wrap itself into a long
57:55-term indefinite position out there and so then you have to look at what few
58:01options you've got and that comes down to can we find somebody who can cut
58:05a deal within the iranian leadership as it exists um and you know then call
58:11it good uh but what does that do essentially every administration has been putting lipstick
58:17on his pig right for for decades hoping that the next administration would find let
58:22them deal with it so i'm glad that we have significantly degraded the military capabilities
58:29of iran i think we've what we've done is we've kicked the can much further
58:32down the road and it's been kicked in the past and so you call that
58:37a success and then and then you move on but the problem is the iranian
58:42regime if it's still there and there's no sign of a serious fracture inside that
58:47regime at this point if it remains you know they're looking for some concessions in
58:53order to cut that deal and then they've always got this potential for them to
58:57take the international community hostage again by just a little bit of disruption in that
59:02area to what extent do you think there's likely to be a full divergence in
59:08perspectives between the united states and israel in other words could trump declare victory say
59:15the united states component aspects of this mission are complete and then israel continues because
59:22they're still going to have air superiority i would expect this mission so long as
59:27they desire to do so on their own how unified do you think this mission
59:33will be in the months ahead yeah i think you've pointed to the key um
59:39difference between washington and jerusalem which is netanyahu and and israel they they have looked
59:48at this as a regime change operation right of course they wanted they wanted to
59:52degrade that missile program as much as possible but for them a success is is
59:58getting rid of this regime and i think that was you you know, a hoped
1:00:02-for result from the U .S.
1:00:04side, but not the primary objective.
1:00:08So that's a problem. I don't think if the U .S.
1:00:13declares victory and figures out how to get out of it, that I don't think
1:00:17Israel will continue their efforts in Iran, right?
1:00:21They'll be focused on Hezbollah and, you know, some of their ground operations in southern
1:00:26Lebanon. Mike, I think you have some—I'm sorry, go ahead.
1:00:31No, no, I was going to say, we may likely see the map redrawn where
1:00:36they end up occupying sort of that turf south of the Latane River, which would
1:00:41be—that's a significant change. Mike, just one more thing before we've got to close out
1:00:47into a break. And Mike hosts the PDB podcast, which you can all go check
1:00:50out, where he covers a lot of national security, political issues every episode.
1:00:55Mike, you said the midterms you're worried about, you're not alone there.
1:00:59I just think that, historically speaking, if you look at what generally happens, Republicans probably
1:01:04are going to lose control.
1:01:05Again, people don't yell at me and everything else.
1:01:07I could be wrong, but historically speaking, this is the trend, right?
1:01:11You're worried it could be a little worse than that, or rather it could be—it
1:01:13sounds like it could be something of a wave in the House that goes against
1:01:18Trump because of this Iran situation.
1:01:21Do you feel like that's now baked in, or if Trump off -ramps, effectively declares
1:01:27victory, gets some kind of a cessation of hostilities with the Iranian regime, Hormuz opens
1:01:34up, do you think people will forget about this, then it'll be more of those
1:01:37kitchen table issues that usually are the deciding factors in a midterm?
1:01:42Yeah, I mean, look, I think if—the best result would be if there is somehow
1:01:49a regime change, right? If there's just conversations going on that we don't know about
1:01:54and that there's some top commanders in IRGC that have said, fine, we're done, this
1:01:58is ridiculous, because they're not ideologues for whatever reason, and they provide top cover for
1:02:04the people of Iran then to come out in the streets and not be slaughtered
1:02:09as they were in the past by the internal security apparatus, that's a great result.
1:02:12I think that could actually mitigate some of the midterm losses and could actually be
1:02:18such a win in terms of a sea change in the Middle East that the
1:02:23Republicans could hold the House.
1:02:26Other than that, I'm no different than everybody else.
1:02:30I'd go into the fuel pump and pay in that much more money.
1:02:34It depends on where that price is.
1:02:36If they can get a resolution, back out, the global markets stabilize, they calm that,
1:02:44everybody drops the angst, and the prices drop, then sure, yeah.
1:02:49But I do think, historically, as you pointed out, typically, it's not going to go
1:02:54well in the midterms anyway.
1:02:56But unless those prices come down, I think there's a real problem.
1:03:00Mike Baker, hey, Mike, appreciate you, and thank you for being here, as always, with
1:03:05us, and come back soon.
1:03:06I will talk to you more about this stuff as it unfolds.
1:03:09Absolutely. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you.
1:03:11Yeah. And I won't let Clay call you an analyst, I promise.
1:03:14He's not going to pull any of that crap on my watch, all right?
1:03:16You know what? All right.
1:03:17I was – the bottom line was I was never smart enough to be an
1:03:20analyst. Well, I was about to say – I was about to say your analysis
1:03:23just now was really good.
1:03:24We could have used you back in the day in that Iraq conference room, so
1:03:28thank you, Mike. Good to see you.
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