Hour 2 - Manipulating the System
3/26/202637 mincomplete
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0:06We're joined by our friend Alex Berenson.
0:09Unreported Truths is his very successful substack, which I would recommend you all go subscribe
0:15to, where he does independent journalism, independent analysis and reporting.
0:20Alex, great to have you back on the program.
0:23The title of your piece that we wanted to have you on a talk about
0:26from a couple days ago, the most enraging piece you will read this year.
0:31I would caveat, maybe given what we're talking about today, some of these stories, among
0:36the most enraging, definitely top of, but it definitely emphasizes something that is very real,
0:44that people are starting to catch on to in larger and larger numbers, and that
0:48is Democrat policies on crime are insane.
0:53I mean, they're putting people at risk, terrible things keep happening that are preventable.
0:59Tell everybody this story out of Seattle, what's going on here, because it ties right
1:04into our conversations about these illegals that have killed people recently.
1:08Yeah, so this gentleman was not an illegal.
1:11I think he's actually a Washington native.
1:14Sure, sure. And he, in 2024, he attacked an 80 -year -old woman.
1:23He was 48 at the time.
1:25He was trying to carjack her.
1:26He pulled her out of her car.
1:28Actually, there were people around who tried to stop him, one of whom I think
1:32actually tried to get a bat and go after him, but they weren't able to
1:38stop him, and he sort of threw the woman against the car, a nearby car,
1:43and then backed into her and crushed her and killed her and then drove off
1:49in the car. And she was a dog walker.
1:54Even though she was 80, she had a dog walking business and was actually going
1:57to the dog park with her own dog.
2:00And shortly thereafter, people at a park in Seattle called Animal Control, or I don't
2:07know if they called Animal Control or the police, but they called someone and said,
2:09there's somebody harming a dog.
2:11It turned out this gentleman was stabbing this dog that he had taken in this
2:15car to death. He threw the dog away.
2:18This was not exactly the crime of the century from a smart criminal point of
2:23view. He left his fingerprints.
2:24The police found him less than 24 hours later.
2:28He still had the car keys with him.
2:30No one is disputing. You know, normally I'm pretty careful when I say alleged, but
2:35nobody's really disputing that he did this.
2:37So what happened then is, so this guy has a long history of crime.
2:41He's an eight -time convicted felon, and in fact was eligible for the three strikes
2:47program that Washington had, which would have left him in jail for the rest of
2:51his life, but ultimately in a crime about 15 years ago, pled to something that
2:58did eventually get him out.
2:59So what his defense team is claiming is that he's incompetent.
3:04And the situation is that you have to be able to participate meaningfully in your
3:10own defense, which is reasonable, okay?
3:13If you're too insane even to know what's going on, there can't really be a
3:19trial. So the judge ordered that he be given psychiatric medicine to be restored to
3:26competency, and he was restored to competency.
3:29So that should pave the way for the trial to begin, except he was then
3:33discharged or moved, I shouldn't say discharged, but moved back from the forensic hospital where
3:38he was to jail and essentially stopped taking his medicine and so became incompetent again
3:44or claimed to be incompetent again, right?
3:46There's some question as to whether he's malingering, whether he's actually pretending to be incompetent
3:52or not. And so I wrote about this because there was actually a second case
3:58that got a lot of attention in Seattle, a 2023 murder where a man walked
4:04up to a woman, a pregnant woman whose car was stopped and just shot her
4:09six times, killed her, walked away.
4:12Now that guy was then just last week allowed to plead not guilty by reason
4:18of insanity. And it seems pretty clear that in that case, the guy actually is
4:22not competent. You know, and we can argue about whether there should be some kind
4:27of verdict of guilty but insane where he would go to a forensic hospital and
4:31then go to jail for the rest of his life.
4:33I think that makes sense.
4:34But this case to me is even worse.
4:36It's even more upsetting and infuriating because this guy who did this, this 48 -year
4:43-old who killed the dog walker in 2024 has a long criminal record.
4:47He actually has another conviction for driving under the influence and killing somebody.
4:52So this idea that he's actually too mentally ill to participate in his trial, he
4:58knew exactly what he was doing when he carjacked that car.
5:01He tried to escape, right?
5:03So, you know, you and I have talked in the past about crimes that are
5:08committed under the influence of psychosis.
5:10It might be drug -induced psychosis.
5:11Those have a certain look to them.
5:13This case looks more just like a carjacking gun.
5:16Can I just jump in, Alex?
5:17And now the guy is manipulating his system.
5:19This is important. This guy in the Seattle case you mentioned that just shot, murdered
5:23this pregnant woman. This guy in the Seattle case, shot her six times, killed the
5:26unborn baby. That guy has been sent by a judge in Seattle to a psychiatric
5:32facility instead of facing 50 -plus years in prison, which is what he was facing.
5:36That's correct. He could be released in six months.
5:39They could just let him go.
5:40He could. It's super unlikely that that would happen.
5:44But you're right. He can be because he was found not guilty by reason of
5:48insanity. Now, again, in that case, and that's what I think we should have, we
5:52should introduce into our system a guilty but insane verdict, where if you are found,
5:58you know, essentially not guilty by reason of insanity, but there's no question you committed
6:01the crime, if at some point you're restored to competency, you then go to jail
6:06and you serve the crime.
6:08But that's not the system that we have.
6:09We have a system where if you were, you know, judged insane at the time
6:13of the crime, you don't bear responsibility.
6:16And that's where we are.
6:18So that's a bad case.
6:19Again, to me, this other case is worse because I do think that there's a
6:23good chance that this guy's malingering.
6:26Okay. So let's dive in here because we've got positive overall crime trend lines.
6:33We've got a lot of people being arrested and put in jail.
6:37Let's pretend, Alex, that we said, hey, we want to have an actual war on
6:43murder, right? And it seems to some extent that that's what's happened in Washington, D
6:48.C. It's gotten way safer for everybody else.
6:50Don't we basically know everybody who's going to commit a murder in the context of,
6:56you know, it's not very often that somebody goes from completely law -abiding to murder,
7:03right? That does occur very, very rarely.
7:06But almost always, if you ask cops, they would say, yeah, we know the 300
7:09people in our city who are the most likely to commit murders.
7:13Can't we just lock those guys up and actually keep them in prison when they're
7:16arrested, as they always are for other offenses?
7:20So, I mean, can we lock them up for nothing?
7:23No. No. I'm saying that these people are all always arrested.
7:27Almost 100 % people who commit murder have long rap sheets before they are convicted
7:33of a murder. So, I mean, this is like a really interesting discussion.
7:38And unfortunately, I've got to run to a TSA checkpoint in the near future.
7:42So, I can't have it with you for a long time.
7:44But so, yes, crime, certainly murders are going down in the U .S., right?
7:48There's been a long trend on this.
7:50Yet people's perceptions of public safety, and certainly in cities like Seattle and New York,
7:55are not improving. And why that is, I think, is so a lot of crime,
8:00most crime is committed by the people you're talking about, right?
8:04And oftentimes in the 80s in particular, it was drug dealing related crime, right?
8:09So, what's happened? Well, actually, there's nobody working the corners anymore.
8:14A lot of when drugs are bought, often they're bought off Snapchat, they're bought off,
8:18you know, your phone. And so, like, there's not actually territorial wars anymore.
8:23So, that's really helped the cops, right?
8:24Plus, they have spot shotter, they have lots of good investigative techniques that they didn't
8:29used to have. So, why are people more scared?
8:32Because the kind of crime that I just mentioned to you that we've been talking
8:35about, right, walking up to somebody in the street who's a true innocent, who doesn't
8:40have any, you know, isn't out there to buy drugs, right?
8:44Those are the crimes that scare people.
8:47And, you know, they scare women, people who, you know, who don't expect to be
8:52a victim of violent crime.
8:54And who, quote, unquote, shouldn't be a victim of violent crime.
8:57And to me, that's where we've got to focus our energy.
9:01And, you know, the number one way to do that is to get sort of
9:03drug -addicted homeless people who are having psychosis off the streets.
9:08And I favor, you know, the Trump administration has moved in this direction, and I
9:12think they should continue to do this.
9:13Civil commitment policies that will get these folks off the streets.
9:17Alex Berenson, Unreported Truths. Alex, good luck at the airport, buddy.
9:21Thanks for calling in before you run.
9:23Thanks, guys. Yeah, go to it.
9:25I hope you're six hours early.
9:28Anyway, or whatever crazy things they're saying for New York City these days.
9:31Clay, can we, I just want to address this, follow up on what Alex is
9:34saying. This is so important.
9:37When we look at crime, people ask me about what crime was like in New
9:40York City when I was growing up there, because this is the huge turnaround case
9:43story that everyone always cites for a city.
9:462 ,200 murders in 1990, 1991.
9:492 ,200 murders, huge amount of murders.
9:51Now, there was a lot of decay and disorder and graffiti and bad things going
9:54on. But a huge majority of those murders were still happening in high crime areas.
10:01Right? More stuff would bleed over.
10:04The city was less safe, no question.
10:05Bad guys shooting each other.
10:07When you look at Chicago, why is it that rich Democrats who live in, what,
10:13isn't it like Lincoln Park a really nice area?
10:14I don't know Chicago well.
10:15Is that a fancy area?
10:16I think so. What's the fancier?
10:17The north side of Chicago is very nice.
10:19Wherever the fancy rich people in Chicago live, why aren't they all voting Republican?
10:24Because all the shootings are happening in the south and the west side for the
10:28most part. But what you see, because of Democrats' refusal to deal with these essentially
10:34drug -addicted and or severely psychiatric, unstable, repeat criminals, is people being stabbed in broad
10:41daylight with their dog in a park in a nice area.
10:43Someone on 63rd Street Subway in New York City, a man being thrown under the
10:48subway tracks by a career criminal, a felon, in that case an illegal alien.
10:52too those hit people differently this isn't about drug dealers shooting drug dealers in uh
10:59you know inner city that doesn't even that those those murders don't make news right
11:04still to this day to your point i think that's important i think what alex
11:07is saying too and what would be interesting is while we may be at a
11:11low in murders overall are people who are 100 innocent being killed at high rates
11:18that that's a really fascinating question to go into right because if you're engaging in
11:23criminal behavior i still hope you don't get killed but if criminals are shooting at
11:28each other to buck's point when there are 2200 murders going on and most of
11:32the people getting killed are those individuals it is different and it does hit people
11:36differently than an 83 year old veteran like what just happened in manhattan richard williams
11:41or this young 18 year old college girl who just goes to a park and
11:47gets murdered while she's there by an illegal immigrant both of these people killed by
11:51illegal immigrants i also come back to buck and this is where i think you
11:54really have to push back aggressively because they'll say well i don't know why you're
11:58focusing on immigrant crime again my answer is because it should be zero i wish
12:03we had a zero crime rate for american citizens but you when you come here
12:07illegally you should have never been allowed in this country you should have never been
12:11permitted to commit a crime and we should have sheridan gorman and there are a
12:16ton of sheridan gorman's lake and riley's everywhere young innocent college girls should still be
12:21alive let's let's let's just kind of take this to an analogy for a second
12:26clay if i was walking through my neighborhood uh you know i walk ginger around
12:31all the time she's the sweetest little dog and and but if i saw if
12:34somebody's 80 pound pit bull um was aggressive and attacked let's say attacked someone else's
12:41dog and i knew this dog was a danger i knew this dog was dangerous
12:45to people no owner no leash no harness nothing okay but i'll let you say
12:50and obviously i know this would be a difficult thing to do i take this
12:53pit bull off of another dog that it's attacking and i go you know what
12:55i don't want people to think poorly of pit bulls so i'm going to take
12:59this dog instead of taking it to animal control or instead of making sure that
13:03it is contained i'm going to release it in the nearest dog park and just
13:07see if it you know rips apart someone's toy poodle yeah everybody would rightly think
13:11that i was being a monster law enforcement in sanctuary cities is doing that every
13:18day with these criminals yeah every single day and then and then and they go
13:24oh my gosh the pit bull just ripped apart a little poodle yeah it's ripped
13:27apart five other little poodles and you keep letting it loose in the park because
13:32you don't want to be mean to pit bulls sorry to the pit bull owners
13:34by the way i know you're going to get i'm just you know see pit
13:37bull is the pit bull owners are going to get ticked off at me yeah
13:41pit bull is the most violent dog but no i mean look if you have
13:44a violent but the way that i would put it is if you have a
13:47violent predator that you know is a violent predator and we'll make it a presa
13:51canario clay we'll get with something that's not going to upset everybody those are huge
13:55very strong dogs okay a presa canario but you see the analogy it's the same
13:59analogy yeah no it's it's 100 right and again it comes back to the question
14:03i was asking alex which is and you know this from your time working with
14:07the nypd jointly we know who is going to commit murders at this point it
14:13is very very rare that someone has a completely clean criminal background and just kills
14:19a completely innocent person does it happen every now and then yes so rarely the
14:24murder rate would be basically non -existent if we just kept violent people off the
14:28street every and this is where unfortunately libertarians you have been a scourge on this
14:32issue i'm just going to say it out loud the libertarian industrial complex with their
14:36three strikes laws people are going to prison forever for stealing a pair of socks
14:41no we actually need three strikes laws we just need them to be for serious
14:44felonies okay no one's saying you go to prison forever for jaywalking but you you
14:50do three class a or you know class one felonies three every state that thinks
14:55that it's serious about some of you by the way are like that's even too
14:57but let's start there three found three serious felonies you go away for 20 three
15:03serious felonies you go you know not a lot of people are worried about what
15:05happens to people you know when they come out in their 50s and 60s okay
15:08why not have that why not have that law no you know there's really a
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16:41Our thanks to Alex Berenson, who was just on with us running through, unfortunately, a
16:48lot of awful stories. I think this is a good example, Buck.
16:51You were talking about AI.
16:52This is a great opportunity, I think, to have a deep data dive on.
16:59I would, for instance, love to know this.
17:01For anyone out there that is charged with murder, how many prior criminal charges had
17:07they faced before they committed a murder they were charged with, right?
17:12I would bet the average person charged with murder in America had been charged with
17:18five or six criminal offenses different than the murder charge beforehand.
17:24This is one where I think you could pour all of that data into an
17:28analytic and start to figure out, based on looking at the people being arrested, hey,
17:33this is a guy who is likely to commit a murder going forward.
17:36To your point, we know that age has a lot to do with it, right?
17:40There aren't a lot of 60 -plus -year -old murderers.
17:43There are very few women who commit murders.
17:45There are very few Asian people of all backgrounds that commit murders.
17:49You can plug in all of this data set.
17:51I think we could drive murder down to a statistically minuscule level if we actually
17:57forced ourselves and did a good job with media going forward to try to do
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19:01So we've got a lot of calls.
19:02Let's get to them. A lot of talkbacks, emails.
19:04All of it coming in from you all across this great land of ours.
19:09Chuck in Columbus, Georgia wants to talk to us.
19:13What's going on, Chuck? Hey, your analogy on the pit bull, I think, was way
19:17more accurate than you realize.
19:19Play with statistics a little bit.
19:21So the pit makes up about 6 % of the dog population.
19:24It's doing over 70 % of the maulings and killings.
19:27The same demographic that is actually breeding the pit is doing about a similar amount
19:33of the violent crimes in America.
19:35Interesting also, the pit's the only breed with a propaganda wing that when it does,
19:40you know, attack, seems to protect it very much like our media protects the same
19:45violent crowd that commits crimes in America.
19:47So great analogy. And Chuck is a retired lieutenant, a lieutenant colonel, I'm sorry, in
19:53the military, lieutenant in the police force.
19:55I couldn't tell from this.
19:58Lieutenant colonel, retired Army infantry.
20:00Army, Army infantry. Thank you for your service, sir.
20:03There are lieutenants also in some police forces, by the way, like New York City.
20:07Or not. I actually don't think New York has lieutenants.
20:09I love that you're going to be getting attacked by pit bull owners.
20:14Well, that actually makes a lot of sense.
20:17I'm getting attacked by pit bull owners.
20:20Clay, this is... Go ahead.
20:23No, I think the analogy is a really good one.
20:25And again, with data and analytics, there are...
20:29The math is pretty clear, right?
20:31We've talked about this before.
20:32Young black men... This is just the facts.
20:35Young black men commit over half of all murders in America and represent a tiny
20:41statistical population writ large, right?
20:45And it's mostly young black men from the ages of about 16 to about 40,
20:51right? And 40 is extending it quite a lot.
20:54But it's young men commit overwhelming amounts of violent crime.
20:58Young black men, disproportionately off the charts, commit violent crime.
21:02Most of their victims are other young black men, which is why we've said when
21:07President Trump, for instance, drives down the murder rate in Washington, D .C.
21:11by 65%, as he has done this year compared to last year, overwhelmingly, the lives
21:17that are being saved are young black males.
21:20And you talked about this yesterday, Buck.
21:22The data plot of shootings in New York City.
21:26There were 356 black shooters, two white shooters in 2025 in New York City.
21:33356 to 2. And there are more white people in New York than black people
21:37overall as a percentage of population.
21:39It's pretty close. I think it's like 30 and 20.
21:41But the point is, what is going on with this?
21:44By the way, can I just return to the dog thing for a second?
21:46Because I'm going to do it again.
21:48the analogy we're talking about before um i love i would i would put my
21:51love of dogs up against any i absolutely love dogs like maybe even like just
21:55irrationally i think they're like angels sent from god to be our furry companions on
21:59this earth i love dogs i know there are great pit bulls out there i've
22:02met great pit bulls here is how i would describe the difference to it because
22:06i'm clay i'm already getting i'm already getting the pit bull lobbies coming out they're
22:10gonna hit me hard on this let me just explain and and honestly i'm right
22:14and this should at least contextualize if not end the argument i also do a
22:18lot of shooting i'm gonna be going shooting uh if not this weekend next week
22:21i'll spend the whole day at the range tactical shooting there are bb guns and
22:26there are ar -15s okay either one of them can be misused and maybe bb
22:32guns are not more likely to be misused or maybe ar -15s or i won't
22:36even get into that conversation the difference is if somebody misuses a bb gun everyone's
22:43gonna be okay you know you might lose an eye in the worst case scenario
22:47but everyone's gonna be okay if someone misuses an ar -15 someone could lose their
22:52life or several people could lose their lives very quickly very easily that is the
22:57dog analogy your 80 pound pit bull is not my 20 pound labradoodle stop pretending
23:04it's not the same now if you're responsible just like if you're responsible with a
23:08firearm that's fine but pretending that the risk is no different is delusional it is
23:14a delusional thing that i get from some of these pit bull owners and again
23:17i've met sweet pit bulls if you have a sweet pit bull that's fine but
23:20you're taking on it's like you're at the range with a 556 you have to
23:25be damn sure that you are in control and every round that comes out of
23:28that rifle you know exactly where it's going if you got a bb gun you
23:33know someone's chihuahua goes rogue no one's dying it's a different thing okay and i've
23:39never heard anyone that's able to get around oh but what about the statistics call
23:42the retrievers bite more people no no no okay we're talking about real risk to
23:47people and the dog thing you know i this couldn't be any more straightforward go
23:52ahead send me your angry pit bull owners are going to send me their angry
23:54emails i think i've talked about this on the show before when i was six
23:58years old um a german shepherd almost ripped off my whole face yeah it wasn't
24:03a cavalier king charles spaniel what a shock clay right i mean these are different
24:07things everybody i was over at a friend's house we both had chicken pox went
24:11in the backyard reached down no interaction with the dog prior dog comes running up
24:17because we're in the backyard i reach down to pat the top of the dog's
24:21head jumps up and rips half my face off i mean that's a really intense
24:25story no i mean i mean yeah six years old i had to get i
24:29mean you think about how tiny i was a first grader think about how little
24:32a first grader is um i think i had to get like 60 stitches uh
24:37ripped you could see my cheekbone uh uh my lip was split open you could
24:42add a hole in my my uh my other cheek good surgeon thankfully uh you
24:47know at least somewhat i mean i don't think i look like you know if
24:50you get close you can see still see the scars on my face um but
24:54that german shepherd i we did a lot of looking into data back then when
24:59i was six different animals different dogs have hugely different propensity for violence when it
25:06comes to humans bb gun versus ar -15 everybody again i own i own an
25:11ar -15 and you know if you want if you want to take on that
25:14responsibility of course that's fine but just don't pretend your ar -15 is a bb
25:18gun it's the same thing it's not okay if i if someone gave a 10
25:21year old without supervision an ar -15 they should go to prison some people might
25:25give the 10 year old uh you know give him a bb gun go play
25:28some it's different the risk profile is different and with dogs it's it's obviously the
25:34same thing and by the way people say what about rottweilers what about uh uh
25:38you were you had a german shepherd shepherd um yeah those are higher risk you
25:42know maybe those are uh you know nine millimeter dogs but there's differences here uh
25:47with with the danger i mean no one's ever been killed by a french bulldog
25:50ever ever has not happened impossible for a human being to be murdered by a
25:55french bulldog it's not the same everybody anyway i i think actually most people get
26:00this i'll have a few people that are like no but my no okay uh
26:05so chuck and columbus agreed with me um here we go gene and cobbles i
26:09was gonna say gene's got a tough argument but i'm gonna let gene make it
26:12gene fire away okay brothers thank you very much great listening to you guys you
26:17mentioned earlier about uh three strikes and you go to jail for 20 years new
26:22york state i think under governor rockefeller had a three strikes and you went to
26:26jail for life the problem i don't think it considered was law enforcement was not
26:32really behind that because if you're going to arrest a guy on his third felony
26:36he might as well just shoot it out what's the point of being arrested it
26:41put the police department in tremendous danger i have a lot of family that's uh
26:45in law enforcement i'm not but uh they were not happy about that you're arresting
26:50that guy for his third felony he might as well just blast away and hope
26:54for the best well maybe so a few a few things i would say here
26:57gene first of all it doesn't have to be a life sentence like for as
27:00i said 20 years honestly it would be a huge advance if it was even
27:04a mandatory 10 because at least there would be official you know if it's a
27:09mandatory 10 at least there's official punishment and by the changes state by state i
27:13don't know what it is in new york right now you But if that were
27:16the case everywhere, you wouldn't have individuals arrested 100 times who have done no real
27:20time. I mean, how is that possible?
27:24Can I just pivot real quickly to the dog?
27:26Sure. Yeah, sure. I had dogs my whole life.
27:29I had labs. I had a bunch of Labrador retrievers and whatnot.
27:33That Labrador retriever, when he was a puppy, I'd throw a stick in the water.
27:36He'd go out. He'd retrieve it.
27:37He'd bring it back. It was in his DNA.
27:40I had a little terrier.
27:42I'd bring him out in the field.
27:43Look, he'd go dig up mice and moles out of the ground.
27:45It was in his DNA.
27:47No one showed him that.
27:49Pitbulls in their DNA is to attack.
27:52And that's my opinion on it.
27:54And that's why. Gene, I'm going to upset some people.
27:57I agree with you. My dog is obsessed with fetch because she has two retrievers
28:01in her bloodline. We never taught her to play fetch.
28:05She will play fetch until she basically falls over in exhaustion if you let her.
28:08She loves fetch. That's just because she's a retriever because she comes from a poodle
28:13and a Labrador retriever. And that's what they do.
28:16Now, can you get around this?
28:18Is there nature nurture? Of course, sure.
28:20But, Clay, here's another example.
28:21Why can't you just people would tell you if you found a baby cougar in
28:25the woods, you could hand raise it.
28:27You could hand raise that baby cougar.
28:29I'm talking about the cat, Clay.
28:31I know what he's... We're not talking about ladies in miniskirts in their late 40s,
28:37okay? We're talking about the actual wild animal.
28:40Some people would say that those are actually more dangerous than the actual wild animal.
28:44I know exactly where Clay's going.
28:46But people will tell you, no matter what you do, they'll say that's a wild
28:50animal. That's not domesticated. Well, that's purely a function of the genetics of the animal,
28:55right? Because it's a cat, just like a house cat, but it's different breeding.
28:58Remember when everybody watched the tiger guy back during COVID?
29:01You raise those tigers from the times they're little kittens, right?
29:05And one of the handlers had his arm ripped off.
29:08Yes. They grow up and they turn into tigers, even if they are raised by
29:12humans from... There is a...
29:14I've told you... I actually just mentioned it to Kerry recently, too.
29:16I think it's a really under...
29:18Sort of under -viewed or not well -enough known project, Nim, about the people that...
29:23Some Columbia Lib University professors in New York City raising a chimpanzee as close to
29:30being... Like how you would raise a human child as possible.
29:33They taught it sign language.
29:34I mean, they really tried to make this whole thing.
29:36And it's amazing. And when it's little, it's the cutest thing you've ever seen.
29:38It gets older. You know what happens?
29:40It gets pissed off. It decides that it's going to do something that you don't
29:44want it to do because it has its own views, its own...
29:46You know, its own... And they're crazy strong.
29:50Crazy strong and very dangerous.
29:52That's what you find out from the movie.
29:54They're crazy strong and very dangerous.
29:56So, hold on. Okay. Here we go.
30:01Gussie and Savannah. We got the pro -pit bull side of the argument.
30:06I knew this was going to happen.
30:07Go ahead, Gussie. Hi there.
30:10I just wanted to say that I think pit bulls get a very bad rap.
30:16They're not all bad. At one time, we blamed the Doberman.
30:21We blamed the German Shepherd.
30:23We blamed the Rottweiler. And now it's the pit bull's turn.
30:27And I don't think that it's the right thing to just generalization say that all
30:34pits are bad. They're not.
30:37It's according to how they're raised and how they're treated.
30:39Gussie, can I ask you very quickly, though?
30:42Did I say that all pits are bad?
30:44No, no. You did not.
30:46I did not. Right, right.
30:47Right. But you were using the pit as an analogy.
30:51And I just don't think that that's fair to the pit bull.
30:55I understand. But, Gussie, is a pit bull, if you have one in a hundred
30:59bad pit bulls and one in a hundred bad chihuahuas, is the pit bull more
31:03dangerous to a human being than the chihuahua?
31:06Oh, absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. They're stronger.
31:11They're bigger. They're more, but that doesn't mean that they're bad.
31:15But now if you look at the data and you look at how many pit
31:19bulls either attack people or even turn on their owners, it's just much higher than
31:25any other dog breed. It just is.
31:27So as a percentage, you're right that they're not all bad, but as a percentage,
31:31they're far more likely to harm someone.
31:35Have they looked into how that pit bull was raised?
31:38Have they looked into how that pit bull was treated?
31:41I don't know. Thank you for the call.
31:43All those things obviously factor in, which is, thank you for the call, Buck's point
31:47on nature versus nurture, because there are elements in all facets of life of environment
31:53and how it impacts things.
31:56My point, though, again, stands.
31:58Yeah. A hundred out of a hundred French bulldogs you could raise, Clay.
32:00No one's dying. You pick up a puma from the wild, another name for a
32:04cougar. Some people are going to get got by the cougar.
32:07Okay. That's going to happen.
32:09Not all of them, but probably not a good idea.
32:12I've got a swimming pool now.
32:14I'm interested in alligators. Maybe I'd get a nice alligator.
32:18Probably not smart to keep an alligator in my pool.
32:21Just tossing it out there.
32:22Most of the time, it might be fine.
32:25But at some point, the alligator gets big enough.
32:27This happens every now and then in New York, right?
32:28Where guys decide, hey, I'm going to get a baby alligator.
32:30And they start trying. Remember the guy had a tiger?
32:32Didn't the guy have a tiger in a New York apartment?
32:35And they found that he was raising a tiger in the apartment, which, good for
32:39him, that he managed to survive.
32:41I knew a family in New York that was from New York.
32:43in dallas that had it they had a pet tiger for a while true story
32:46and they had some like way of and when it was a little cub and
32:49they got rid of it i was like well you know they gave it to
32:51a zoo that it you know they gave it to a sanctuary i said well
32:54how did you know when it was time to get rid of it they said
32:55when it started hiding on things and jumping on people's backs when they weren't looking
33:00yeah you don't want a tiger practicing the pounce the death pounce on you when
33:08it's six months old which is what was happening so uh the dog thing though
33:12yeah there are more tigers i believe is true in texas than in the wild
33:18have you heard that stat before yes more captive tigers in the state of texas
33:23alone than live in the wild right now by the way my mom said it
33:27took three different surgeries uh on my face after the german shepherd uh got me
33:33when i was six and some breaking news out there buck uh we'll get to
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35:23podcasts welcome back in clay travis buck sexton show maureen callahan scheduled to join us
35:28top of the next hour we'll get to a bunch of your calls as well
35:32um and we will dive into uh all of these different comments variety of different
35:39perspectives one positive story that came out um earlier today buck the olympics has decided
35:49that men pretending to be women are not allowed to compete any longer in any
35:55olympic event and that sounds ridiculous that the olympics had to come out and say
35:59it i don't think they would have done it if president trump had not been
36:03elected and if the 2028 olympics were not going to be taking place in uh
36:08los angeles what does it mean you can go read it i shared it on
36:13twitter the details but basically they are going to do i think they can do
36:17a cheek swab if people claim that they are first of all a lot of
36:21times very easy uh nobody's claiming to be male uh that isn't actually male and
36:26and managing to qualify for the olympics but if a man is pretending that he
36:30is a woman and if there is a doubt about his sexual background uh gender
36:35wise then all you have to do sweep uh just a little cheek swab and
36:40boom you can tell what the dna is and the olympics is saying they will
36:44test as necessary to keep men out of women's sports it's wild that this is
36:49where we are but that is a positive sign we come back final hour next