The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Alan Dershowitz on Antisemitism, Party Divide & Civil Rights
4/24/202623 mincomplete
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1:19We've been watching some changes happening in, I would say, both political parties, but here
1:25you all know I'm in Michigan.
1:26We've seen a lot of crazy things happening in the Michigan Democratic Party.
1:32And I was thinking, who can I talk to about this?
1:35And one of my favorite people to talk to in general anyway is Alan Dershowitz.
1:39And I know that he had been a lifelong Democrat, become an independent, and I
1:44wanted to get his opinion on the Democratic Party and what's happening.
1:47And at the same time as I thought that, he announced he was becoming a
1:51Republican. So Alan Dershowitz, thank you for joining me today.
1:55Well, thank you. And Michigan was part of the reason, the fact that it looks
2:00like the Democrats might nominate a kind of neo -Nazi who campaigns with the Hitler
2:07supporter, who is virulently anti -American, who believes that America deserved 9 -11 and that,
2:15you know, Hamas is better than Israel.
2:21That's becoming the symbol of the Democratic Party.
2:23And Michigan is becoming what the Democratic Party nationally is becoming.
2:28Look, Rahm Emanuel, who used to stand for centurism in America, has now said he
2:33wants to change America's relationship with Israel.
2:37and cut off all arms aides to Israel.
2:40I can't be associated with a party that's leading the campaign against the nation state
2:47of the Jewish people, becoming part of the anti -Semitism around the world today.
2:53I thought maybe I could show my principles by becoming an independent, but I decided
3:01for me, that was a cop -out.
3:02I have to become a whole hog Republican.
3:04I have to help defeat the Democrats.
3:07I want to see the Democrats lose and maintain their loss of control over the
3:11House, the Senate, and the presidency, and Michigan, and New Jersey, which just elected to
3:17Congress a varying anti -Israel, anti -American congresswoman.
3:23I'm pro -American. I'm pro -Western.
3:25I'm pro -Israel. I'm pro -liberalism.
3:28I'm pro -liberalism. And I can't dissociate with a Democratic like Ronald Reagan.
3:31And I say, I haven't left the Democratic Party.
3:34It's left me. Well, I want to, there's so much I want to get into
3:38on this, but you say it's foreign.
3:41You were like, if I could put an asterisk next to it and say a
3:43foreign policy Republican, which I think is critical, but you talked about on social issues
3:50like abortion, immigration, separation of church from state, healthcare, and fair taxation, you still align
3:56with the Democratic platform. And I was reading that, and I thought to myself, but
4:01what is the platform on that right now?
4:04Because I'm not sure what, when you see what Momdani is doing with taxes, is
4:08that, do you agree with that?
4:10No, of course not. There was a great cartoon the other day.
4:13It showed a picture, and it says, real turn of the year in Florida.
4:18And it was a picture of Momdani, who's chasing people to Florida.
4:23I am a resident of Florida.
4:25Many of my friends, many of my wealthy friends, are moving to Florida.
4:31You know, Momdani is not good for America, not good for New York, not good
4:34for Jews, not good for Israel.
4:36And yet, many Jews voted for Momdani.
4:40People forget that thousands of Jews voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932.
4:46They formed a party, a German nationalist party, supporting the Nazis.
4:51Jews can be the biggest idiots in the world, self -hating Jews.
4:56And so many of them today are supporting the leftist drift and the pro -terrorist
5:04drift of the Democratic Party.
5:05And I just can't be associated with them.
5:08The same thing is true with synagogues.
5:11And look, the 92nd Street, why?
5:14Temple Emanuel have banned me.
5:17They won't allow me to speak.
5:18They will allow very, very anti -Israel people to speak.
5:22But a major... Here's your synagogue in New York and the 92nd Street Y cancels
5:27me because they don't like the fact that I supported or I defended President Trump's
5:34constitutional rights or I defended the rights of other clients that they disagree with.
5:39This is just McCarthyism of the left.
5:42I feel like there's so many people who just don't want to actually say it
5:45out loud, though, that this is not what they believe in.
5:48I'll tell you, I was in Florida a couple of weeks ago.
5:51So it's funny how conversations come up.
5:53I was walking we were walking past a couple and an older couple.
5:57And they said to me, oh, your daughter's braids are so cute.
6:00We got we struck up a conversation and he said, where are you from?
6:03I said, I'm from Michigan.
6:04And they said, our daughter just moved to Birmingham.
6:07I said, Birmingham is such a beautiful city in Michigan.
6:10I think it's one of our most beautiful cities.
6:12And they said, but our daughter was supposed to be at Temple Israel the night
6:16before the attack. And we don't we don't feel like she's safe there.
6:20And it struck me so hard.
6:23And then the man leaned into me and he looked at my cross and he
6:26said, you know, we're on the same side.
6:30Well, I have to tell you today, Christians have been more supportive of Israel, many
6:36of them, than Jews have been.
6:39It's shocking. There are left wing ideology often over Israel.
6:46But that's happened before it's happened.
6:48You know, Jews supported communism in the Soviet Union, Stalin.
6:52Many Jews supported Mussolini. Jews supported Hitler.
6:57So why are we surprised that Jews have supported Mamdani?
7:01And why are we surprised that some Jews will vote for the candidates in Michigan
7:06and in New Jersey who align themselves with neo -Nazis?
7:12Well, I was at the University of Michigan a few weeks ago and I overheard
7:17someone who I suspect was likely a professor at lunch saying to the person he
7:22was sitting with, look at where we are.
7:26Iran is now the country of values and reasonable and they're the reasonable ones.
7:32And our president is the crazy person.
7:34And I thought, please tell me this is not what you're telling students.
7:39How did we get here?
7:40How did we get here?
7:41They are telling students that.
7:43And, of course, CNN is rooting for Iran.
7:46The New York Times is rooting for Iran.
7:48Many on the left are now Ayatollah fans.
7:53And, you know, it's not about who they're for.
7:56It's about who they're against.
7:58Very few people really are human rights activists.
8:01These people claim to be pro -Palestinian.
8:03And where are they on the Kurds?
8:04Where are they on the Uyghurs?
8:06Where are they on Sudan?
8:07Where are they even on Ukraine?
8:09It's just about Israel because it's the nation state of the Jewish people.
8:14It's the oldest bigotry that has lasted over 2 ,000 years.
8:19And it's manifesting itself today on the left and in the Democratic Party.
8:23It's so interesting that you say that because I've said this for a long time.
8:27Wait a minute. This regime, I mean, just in the last few months, they wiped
8:30out, what, 45 ,000 people?
8:32And there's nobody going. But what about those people?
8:35We need to save those people.
8:37I mean, a massive amount of people just mowed down with bullets and they say
8:40nothing. But the anti -Semitism thing, we've been seeing articles for years slowly creeping in
8:48like, we might have a problem, but they're somewhat hidden.
8:50In 2019, the Pittsburgh Jewish Chronicle, after the synagogue was attacked there and people started
8:59saying, oh, my gosh, do we have an anti -Semitism problem again?
9:02They started reporting, look, this is bigger than you think.
9:05And it was at that point coming from the Democratic Party.
9:08And in 2017, the Democratic rep, Betty McCollum, she actually proposed a bill promoting human
9:16rights for Palestinian children living under Israeli military occupation.
9:20That was what it was called.
9:22And that was at that time, people were like, they're starting already to push away
9:29from Israel, the Women's March.
9:31They weren't allowing feminist Jewish women to march in the Women's March.
9:35Some feminist groups, some gay groups, some black groups have become the most anti -Israel
9:41groups in the country. You know, many of it is ignorance.
9:44They don't know that Israel offered a Palestinian state in 1937, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2001,
9:532005, 2008. Palestinians could have had a state.
9:58They could have ended anything which they now call an occupation.
10:01But they don't want a state.
10:03They just don't want there to be a Jewish state.
10:05That's their major goal, to wipe out Israel, not to establish their own state.
10:10And ignoramuses, many of whom are teaching on universities today, either don't know this or
10:17know it and refuse to say it.
10:20I think there's been almost this movement to claim, well, we're saying Israel is separate
10:26from Jews. But they are actually, it's almost like reverse psychology.
10:31They are creating this, like, it's Israel, but Israel's always all the Jews.
10:36And so ultimately, that's spreading to, are you Jewish?
10:40Can we trust you? Like, there's this, there is this nastiness against all Jews.
10:46But also, I have to ask you, how did we get here?
10:49How did we get to the point where we...
10:51say that one of our greatest allies in the Middle East is a threat, that
10:56we shouldn't align with them.
10:58The Middle East, to me, is the most dangerous area of the world.
11:01That's where we see terror coming from.
11:03We see terror funded from Iran.
11:05We know that those proxy groups are coming from Iran.
11:09How many democracies do we have in the Middle East that we can be friends
11:12with? Well, there's only one democracy in the Middle East, and a lot of people
11:17don't like who Israel elected, but that's what democracies do.
11:20A lot of Israelis don't like who America elected.
11:24That's what democracies do. You go with what the people wanted.
11:28And so, you know, Israel and America working together are the strongest military alliance in
11:34the world. And yes, Israel does get military aid from the United States, but it
11:38gives it back. Every penny has to be spent on American companies, and they help
11:43develop weapons that both America and Israel use, like the Iron Dome and other defensive
11:50mechanisms, which many people would take away from Israel now and leave them vulnerable to
11:56rockets. And it's their civilians who were vulnerable.
11:59And a repeat of October 7th, where women were raped and children were beheaded.
12:04That's what people like Hassan Piker support.
12:08They think Hamas is great.
12:09And you see these demonstrations on college campuses today, pro -Hamas, pro -Hezbollah, pro -Iran,
12:17anti -American. Remember that Iran regards America as the great Satan and Israel as the
12:22small Satan. So, you know, to be anti -Israel is to be anti -American.
12:27Israel has always been, and Jews have always been, the canary in the mine.
12:30And when you start attacking Israel and Israeli values and Jews, ultimately is coming back
12:36to you. You talked about the social issues between the two parties.
12:40And I honestly have to say that I've seen a lot of that in the
12:44middle. There's not a lot of difference about how people feel.
12:49A lot of people are like, you know what, abortion up to a certain point,
12:53gay rights, there's, we have to do something about health care.
12:58There's not a lot of massive division.
13:00And I feel like because of that, there's not a real strike point for the
13:04Democrats to come out and say, we're going to offer you something that the Republicans
13:08will never offer you because there's compromise now.
13:11I think the country, the majority of the country feels very, very much the same
13:15in those areas. And so I think they've come up with Hassan Piker.
13:20But the weird thing to me about Hassan Piker is there, I've heard Democrats and
13:25they've gone on the mainstream media and they've been like, you have to embrace this
13:29man. He has a massive following.
13:31He is the Joe Rogan of the left.
13:33And I think to myself, Joe Rogan was, was controversial because he said, use ivermectin.
13:39This guy is saying we deserve 9 -11.
13:41He's saying rape is okay.
13:43I mean, this is a totally different person.
13:45Look, and Hitler was popular too.
13:48And Mussolini was popular too.
13:50You don't go with populist Nazis.
13:53And that's who Hassan Piker is.
13:55I mean, he today or the other day justified the killing of the health guy
14:01by that murderer who came up to him.
14:04I didn't even hear that.
14:06And, you know, he justifies every horrible thing that's happened.
14:10And, and, and, and, and yet you get people like Rahm Emanuel who will be
14:15on his podcast and, and, and mainstream Democrats like, like Bernie Sanders.
14:23Bernie Sanders is one of the most evil men in American history.
14:28He is the kind of person who in Nazi Germany would have voted for Hitler.
14:34He hates being Jewish. Here's a man who grew up in Brooklyn, just a few
14:39blocks away from where I grew up.
14:40And he decided to solve the world's racial problems by moving to Vermont where there
14:45are no African -Americans. The guy is a total phony, a total hypocrite.
14:51He and his wife have gotten wealthy over capitalism while condemning it and, and calling
14:57for a socialist revolt. If I, if I could get rid of one man in
15:02politics today, one person, it would be Bernie Sanders.
15:06And isn't that ironic that he's Jewish, Jewish on his parents' side?
15:09He's not Jewish in any meaningful sense of the term.
15:12He only uses the fact that he was born Jewish to Jewish parents to amplify
15:17his anti -Semitism, his anti -Zionism, his anti -Americanism.
15:23To alter the culture. And I think that's happening in so many areas.
15:27I, you wrote a Substack piece on Giant, the, the Broadway play that is a
15:33Roald Dahl piece. And I honestly, I, I didn't even know the history of Roald
15:37Dahl. I was a huge fan when I was a kid, you know, his books
15:41were like. Me too. Me too.
15:43Yeah. And, and I thought it was so powerful what you wrote, because first of
15:47all, it was like, you went to see it, which today people wouldn't go because
15:51if they, if they knew that they wouldn't want to see it because we don't
15:54like anything that we don't want to deal with.
15:57But you, you went, you wrote about it.
16:00Out of intelligence, not out of ignorance.
16:02And, you know, the acting in the play was excellent.
16:04But the play itself was a kind of attempt to help us understand his anti
16:13-Zionism and his anti -Semitism.
16:15But it, it didn't do a good job because it left out too many things.
16:19But I thought that was interesting that you pointed that out because we would never
16:23have known. And they say culture because I think that's a way to get people
16:27to go, oh, here's someone that I thought of and I held in high esteem
16:31as a child and he's for the human rights.
16:34So it was kind of like the play was like, oh, we want to take
16:37care of the Palestinian children.
16:39That mindset of you're a bad person if you're not on the side of Palestine
16:43because you don't care about kids.
16:46That is a real manipulation of the situation.
16:49Yeah. No, look, you can't be pro -Palestinian and not be pro -Kurd, pro -Sudanese,
16:59pro -Ukraine, pro -Ughurs. You can't be selective one group only because their opponents are
17:08Jewish. That makes you an anti -Semite.
17:11Absolutely. And I think that we are.
17:14So as I've watched what's happened here in Michigan, because we see Rashida Tlaib out
17:21there and she says horrifically anti -Semitic things.
17:25And there's no the shocking thing to me is you also comment that people over
17:31years have claimed that they don't like the Jews because they're in control of everything
17:34and their control of the media and their control of the banks.
17:37And I think the media never pushes back on Rashida Tlaib when she says terribly
17:43anti -Semitic things. Something has certainly I mean, someone has gotten the wrong message if
17:49they think that Israel is somehow controlling the message because the message on a regular
17:54basis out of politicians here in this state.
17:57But I mean, we're looking at it in Maine.
17:59We're seeing it in Minnesota.
18:00We're seeing it all across the country, openly anti -Semitic and no pushback from the
18:07media. And Jews have never been weaker.
18:10And Israel has never been in a worse situation in terms of public relations.
18:15This notion that somehow Jews control the world, Jewish bankers, Jewish media, Israel, it's such
18:22foolishness. Jews comprise 2 % of the American population and most of them vote Democrat.
18:28And so they're not in control of anything.
18:32Jews who are in the media, mostly anti -Israel.
18:35Many Jewish bankers are anti -Israel.
18:37Many are anti -Jewish. It's such a manifestation of the oldest form of anti -Semitism,
18:45going back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and 19th century Nazism that
18:52ultimately resulted in the Holocaust.
18:54So we live in dangerous, dangerous times.
18:57And today, for me, the major civil rights issue of the day is Jewish rights,
19:02because Jews are discriminated against more than any other group.
19:05They're persecuted more than any other group.
19:08They're exposed to violence more than any other group, racial violence.
19:13And so if you're a civil rights person, if you're a civil liberties person, you
19:17have to be on the side of Jews, not on the side of its enemies.
19:21I have a question for you.
19:23Two more questions for you.
19:24One, we have a young man here in the state of Michigan.
19:27He is a Democratic state rep.
19:28His name is Noah Arbutt.
19:30He is a young man.
19:32He is Jewish and he is gay.
19:34And this last weekend, we had this radical Democrat convention here, and he put out
19:41a post that felt like he was very lost.
19:43He's he just was like, I don't know what's happening to my party here.
19:47And it was interesting to me because Republicans came out and they were like, well,
19:51you can come over here.
19:52But I I understand that that wouldn't be comfortable for him.
19:56I also think that there have been a lot of anti -Semitic comments coming from
20:01the Republican Party. What do you say to a young man who fits into these
20:05categories but doesn't feel like he knows where he is politically?
20:08Well, I think he should join the Republican Party.
20:10Yes, there are Republican anti -Semites, but the Republican mainstream has marginalized these anti -Semites.
20:17Look at what President Trump said about Tucker Carlson.
20:19He's no longer a member of his party or MAGA or anything like that, whereas
20:24the Democrats have embraced Hassan and these horrible people, Piker.
20:31So there's a big difference.
20:33Yes, both parties have their extremes, but one party has embraced them, the Democrats, and
20:38the other party has rejected them, the Republicans.
20:41That's why I've become a Republican.
20:43I want to help that movement.
20:44I want to make sure I'm on the lead against Tucker Carlson and his others
20:49who are anti -Semitic. It's interesting because I see the things that he posts, and
20:55I think we don't really disagree on much.
20:57There's a couple of things that we disagree on, but you're always going to disagree
21:00a little bit. But it's hard.
21:02It's hard for these young people to even sit down and have a conversation.
21:06The last thing I'll ask you in Michigan, we have an interesting situation where the
21:10mayor of Detroit is running for governor.
21:12He has always been a Democrat, always.
21:14He was a delegate for Kamala Harris.
21:16He supported the Democratic Party for years, and he came out as an independent.
21:21Now he's running against the Democrat and the Republican.
21:24But I think all of us have felt what you've said is it's kind of
21:28a cop -out. You don't want to be part of either party, but you're asking
21:31for both parties to work with you.
21:33How do you even reconcile that if you could win?
21:36Well, first of all, I think you have to become opposed to the extremes of
21:41the Democratic Party. You have to make it known that you cannot be part of
21:45something. that encourages anti -Semitism, anti -Zionism, anti -Israelism.
21:51You can't be part of that.
21:53And if that means becoming an independent and you're comfortable with that, fine.
21:56If it means becoming a Republican, fine.
21:58What it can't mean is staying home.
22:00You have to vote. And I think it can't mean joining the Democrats.
22:03Now, you know, there are people like me who tried to change the Democrats over
22:07the years, and I failed.
22:10I've given up. Will I ever come back to the Democratic Party?
22:14I don't know. I'm 87 years old.
22:16I don't have a lot of time to make that choice.
22:18If the Democrats want me back, they know what they have to do, but they're
22:21not doing it. So interesting.
22:24I wish that we could sit down with more young people and not focus on
22:28the radical issues, but focus on it's something we just don't do is focus on
22:33where we are together on things.
22:34We are. I believe we're together on so much more than what we're willing to
22:38admit. We are a centrist country, and both parties would benefit if they move more
22:42to the center. Absolutely. You are.
22:45It is always a pleasure to have you.
22:47Alan Dershowitz, thank you so much for joining me today.
22:50Thank you for having me.
22:51I appreciate it very much.
22:52Make Michigan do the right thing.
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