The Karol Markowicz Show: Corey Walker on Media Bias, Israel Debate, Audience Capture & the Future of Journalism
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1:27Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeart Radio.
1:31My guest today is Corey Walker.
1:33Corey is a reporter from The Algeminer.
1:35Hi, Corey. So nice to have you on.
1:38Thank you for having me.
1:39So how did you get into this?
1:42How did you become a reporter?
1:43And what led you to The Algeminer?
1:48I've been writing for a few years now.
1:50And I originally, prior to Algeminer, I was at Daily Caller, which is a conservative
1:56news outlet. And then I ran the layoffs, and I was impacted by that.
2:02And so I lost my job there.
2:03And basically, I spent about four months just, like, freelancing.
2:09And then Algeminer job came open, and I just applied, and I ended up getting
2:13it. They gave me the offer for the job.
2:15And so I'll have to say I accepted it.
2:17And here I am. I think that I just had a lot of, I think,
2:21experience with, you know, the issue at hand.
2:24Algeminer focuses on particularly Jewish issues and also Middle Eastern politics.
2:28And I had some personal experience with that.
2:32So it kind of overlapped with what I already knew.
2:36And, yeah, it just ended up being a really good fit for me.
2:39What was your personal experience?
2:41I think it was just because I went to University of Michigan, and that had
2:45a large Jewish population. I worked at the Hillel, the University of Hillel, for about
2:49three years when I was there.
2:51And then I took some classes in Israel -Palestine.
2:54And there also was, you know, lots of protests.
2:58And this is, like, around 2017, so nine years ago at this point.
3:02But, like, there were lots of protests even back then over it.
3:07And the same kind of rhetoric that they're using today to describe Israel is the
3:10same rhetoric they're using then.
3:12Like, oh, they're doing genocide and all these things.
3:16And I had these conversations.
3:18None of it's new, right?
3:18It didn't start on October 8th.
3:20Yeah, like, it's not new.
3:22It's, you know, these are reheated narratives.
3:26But I was having conversations with the rabbi and, you know, the people who run
3:32Hillel about these sorts of things.
3:35And so I learned a lot about Israel there.
3:38And then also, like, taking the on -campus courses, I was able to learn a
3:43lot about, you know, Israel -Palestine.
3:47Yeah. Yeah, and so you kind of develop an interest in it.
3:50So, yeah, that's kind of my experience with it.
3:54You could have picked an easier road.
3:56Choosing to be, you know, pro -Israel or a defender of Israel isn't really the
4:03easier path. I have a hard time with, I feel like, gaslighting efforts and lying
4:09and things like that. And I think that a lot of the pro -Palestine stuff
4:13is dishonest. I mean, that's not to say that there aren't legitimate grievances that Palestinians,
4:20if you live in the West Bank, may have.
4:21I do think there are legitimate grievances.
4:24But a lot of this is just like a complete and total rejection of, like,
4:29verifiable historical facts. And for me, I have an issue with that, right?
4:34And I also have an issue with the broader movement because I, you know, I
4:38like the United States. I like Western civilization.
4:40I'm a fan, too. And I think that a large part of this is also
4:45an effort to delegitimize Western countries in general, right?
4:48Like the same things that they hope to do to Israel, they want to do
4:52basically, you know, Canada, Australia.
4:56It's, you know, when you go to these rallies, the pro -Palestine rallies, they say
4:59like, oh, we need to delegitimize, we need to decolonize Israel.
5:03But we also have to decolonize Australia.
5:05We have to decolonize Canada.
5:06And so a lot of this, to me, I think is an effort to undermine
5:11the underpinnings of the countries that we live in.
5:16And so I, like I said, it's, they're doing it very sneakily through like social
5:23justice. But, you know, like I said, a large part of this is using social
5:29justice and empathy to delegitimize and weaken American allies and also America by extension.
5:38Right. Because, you know, Israel does provide things like intelligence.
5:42They also are a fighting ally.
5:44They also do things over there like weaken Iran and the countries that, you know,
5:50do want to harm, you know, the United States.
5:53So I think that the high pressure effort to disentangle that relationship that we have,
6:00I think that that should cause everyone not saying that to be pro -Israel, but
6:06I'm saying is that it should cause everyone to have a little bit of pause
6:09and shacks like, OK, like there's a huge effort.
6:12There's propaganda effort coming from all sides to try to detach that relationship.
6:20And so we have to ask why.
6:22Right. And so for me, part of this is also like self -interested as well,
6:25because I do think that, you know, it's bad for America.
6:28But I also think that another part of it for me is I also, you
6:33know, think that just, you know, Israel does give things to the world.
6:37Right. Like most countries are most most states fail.
6:41Right. I don't think people understand that state building is an extremely difficult process.
6:46And the vast majority of times we've tried it, it failed.
6:49Israel is one of the few post -World War II states that has actually succeeded.
6:55Yeah. Built a first world economy.
6:57They actually, you know, have advancements in sciences and technologies and medicines that we use
7:02in the United States. They are a country that I think they're the only first
7:05world country that has above replacement fertility rates.
7:07So they're actually reproducing themselves.
7:10Yeah. And so I think that there's a lot there that, you know, we can
7:13look from, look to and learn from when it comes to Israel.
7:18And I think that, you know, that those are things that should be cherished and
7:24preserved. Now, that's not to say that you have to support the Israeli government or
7:28Israeli policy or everything. There should be no criticisms.
7:32I'm not saying that at all.
7:33Yeah. But I'm saying that the effort to try to.
7:37Yeah. Delegitimize them. Yeah. It's, you know, I think it should give everyone pause, you
7:42know, because like I said, it's the same thing that they want.
7:45They want to do that everywhere.
7:46Right. And so it's. Yeah.
7:48You know, everyone should be skeptical.
7:50Did you always want to be a writer?
7:52I think kind of. I think part of it was like I just wasn't good
7:55at math. So I didn't feel like I had a choice.
7:57Same. Yeah. It's kind of like a lot of people get into writing.
8:00And we just can't add.
8:02And we're like, this is this is the only other other thing for me.
8:05You got to algebra. And I was like, OK, I can't do that.
8:09Yeah. Yeah. My dreams of being a doctor or a scientist are done.
8:12Yes. I went to college thinking I was going to be a doctor.
8:15And that was quickly. Well, that's a lot of people.
8:18Yeah. They lead you out very quickly.
8:22But I would say, like, I was always inclined to write.
8:26I think I'm just a more verbal person in terms of, I think, my strengths.
8:31That's just where they lie.
8:32The written word, the spoken word, the ability to kind of come up with, you
8:37know, language that conveys emotions.
8:40And my thoughts in a very articulate and clear way.
8:44And I think that that is something that I've realized not everyone can do.
8:49I think in the, you know, because I edit other people's writing for a living
8:54as well. And so when I look at where other people are, it's like, wow,
8:57a lot of people cannot write.
9:00They don't know basic grammar.
9:01They don't know how to do anything.
9:02So in some ways, it's kind of a gift.
9:04And, you know, so I think that people are kind of inclined to do the
9:06things that they are good at.
9:09And I also think that I have a lot of opinions about a lot of
9:12things in the world. And I think, you know, if you have your opinionated person,
9:17writing is probably a really natural outlet for that.
9:20What might you have done instead?
9:22What would a plan B for you have been?
9:24That's tough. I would say that if I could do it all over again, I
9:29don't know. I probably would have gone into something like finance or investment banking or
9:33something that is... Even though you don't know that?
9:36Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably, yeah.
9:39But I would say something like that just because, like, I don't know.
9:43I think, like, as I age, right, so I start to look at, you know,
9:48where people kind of end up.
9:50And I'm kind of like, oh, well, there's other people who kind of like...
9:52Maybe it's just like envy, like looking, you know, grass is green on the other
9:55side. Sure. Or other people, you know, make more money and I write and I
10:00do okay. But, like, you know, writing is not the most lucrative industry.
10:04Right, right. Unless you're like J .K.
10:05Rowling or something. So it's, you know, sometimes I think like, well, could I have
10:10done something else? Maybe. Maybe I would have gone with a more, like, traditionally lucrative
10:17path, you know. I also think like, you know, I would love to, I mean,
10:21if I could do anything, like, let's say if I could do anything, I probably
10:24would be like a radio or TV host or do something like that.
10:29If I could do it well, like if I could have like a large audience
10:31and actually like, you know.
10:34I mean, everybody has a podcast now.
10:36I don't think that's a stretch for you to start one.
10:41It's not. Well, it's not.
10:42But it's also like there's an issue of having a podcast with three people listening
10:45versus having a podcast where like, you know.
10:48You start somewhere. A million.
10:50Yeah. But it's also like I know.
10:52but it's the, the, the guardrails have come down.
10:55Right. So like, you know, the gatekeepers are gone, so you can create whatever you
11:01want and put it out there.
11:02And that's great. I think it's a great thing.
11:04I think a difficult thing is just like, how do you go about growing the
11:07audience? Right. Right. And I also think that part of it is like, I, I
11:11don't know, I, I struggle with listening to my own voice and stuff.
11:16So like, I don't know, I think like, I wouldn't be like a good, I
11:21don't know if I'd be like a good person for radio or television.
11:23You very rarely re -listen to your episodes.
11:26So you don't, you don't really hear, I mean, yes, everybody kind of doesn't like
11:30the sound of their voice.
11:31Right. But yeah, you know, you don't like, I, I cut a little, a few
11:34clips, video clips from episodes and I hear my voice then, but otherwise, you know,
11:39you don't really listen to yourself.
11:41Yeah. I think that being a, it's probably a skill that you can grow, but
11:44I think that being a good host, you have to have a certain kind of
11:47magnet, magnetism and charisma and charm about you that kind of gets people to listen.
11:52Cause like really at the end of the day, they're, they're tuning in for the
11:54person, usually not the content of what they're saying.
11:56I don't think I have that spark that certain people have.
12:00And so I, I don't know, I could probably try it.
12:03I wouldn't trust myself to do very, very well.
12:06I think you have to, I think that there's something about that, that is just
12:08like a natural gift that people have.
12:10I mean, it's something that like, you know, Joe Rogan has, even though he's an
12:13idiot, but like he has that ability to kind of bring people in.
12:19I would say the same thing about Candace Owens and that she's very gifted, even
12:22though she, she uses her gifts for bad things.
12:25Same with Tucker Carlson. These are gifted people.
12:28I wish they wouldn't use their gifts for bad, you know, but they, they have
12:33a gift, which is why people have magnetism when they don't.
12:36And then, you know, they have the charisma, which is why like I listened to
12:39her show for the sake of research.
12:41Cause I write, you know, about what she does.
12:44And, um, I'm like, wow, this is someone who actually has like the ability to
12:48keep someone engaged, you know, in a nonsensical story that she made up in her
12:52own head, uh, for like an hour.
12:54It is a little train wrecky, right?
12:57Like you kind of can't look away from the train wreck.
13:00And yeah, that's part of it.
13:02It's all, it's all terrible.
13:04I would also say that in order to do well in this industry, one thing
13:09I've learned is that the people who do the best are, are the people who
13:13are willing to basically tell their audience what they want to hear.
13:18Right. So you kind of go where the views are.
13:20So that's one thing I've learned.
13:21It's like, you're not really doing much to change people's viewpoints.
13:24It's like you're tapping into whatever underlying, uh, sentiments they had and you're exploiting that.
13:31Right. So one of the reasons why Tucker Carlson and these folks have gone towards
13:35anti -Semitism is because they saw it there in the first place.
13:38Right. And they knew that it was something that was exploitable.
13:42Yeah. Yeah. They saw it was exploitable.
13:44And they also knew that it was this kind of a taboo kind of, almost
13:48like a Rubicon, right. That a lot of people were not willing to transgress because
13:53they weren't, um, I mean, people have, a lot of people have scruples and morals,
13:58you know, maybe to their detriment.
14:00So like, they're not, when it comes to other people, they were not willing to
14:04kind of go that far.
14:06They were. And sadly, they've been rewarded for it largely because if you look at
14:10the amount of success they've had.
14:12Yeah. It's, you know, it's very notable.
14:15Like they've done very well for themselves.
14:16Right. It's a moneymaker for sure.
14:18Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Do you think you have a book in you?
14:21That's a great question. Every, I've been asked that multiple times.
14:25I think I do. I think getting published is really hard.
14:28If it, if you're going to like a traditional publisher, a lot of people don't
14:32buy books. So like most books that get, you know, written, like you saw like
14:36two copies. Right. And so I don't know, I don't know what I would probably
14:42write about. I probably could.
14:45I mean, I probably could write about, I don't know, like someone asked me like
14:49what I write about, maybe like the rise of like audience capture in the new
14:52media space. And so. You seem to be interested in that.
14:55Yeah. Yeah. I could write about that.
14:57I could write about Jewish issues or the, you know, black Jewish relations.
15:02I mean, there's probably like a lot of things that I probably have.
15:05There's a lot of things you can do.
15:05Yeah. I find you very interesting.
15:08I think your exit count is, you know, fascinating.
15:10I always like to know what you're thinking.
15:13So yeah, I mean, I'm pretty anti book writing because it is so hard.
15:17I only, I wrote one book.
15:19I'm not writing anymore, even though it did very well.
15:21It was a bestseller. It was just really hard.
15:25And I never need to do that ever again.
15:27It was Stolen Youth. I co -authored it with Bethany Mandel.
15:32So I only actually wrote half a book.
15:34But yeah, it did great.
15:36And we're very happy with it.
15:37But it's a very difficult process that I don't need to relive.
15:41Especially when you're a columnist, you write 700 words and it's out the next day
15:46and you get, you know, all the adulation and praise or commentary on it.
15:50It's not like two years later, your work finally comes to fruition.
15:54You know, I think you're interesting and you should maybe think about it.
15:58I probably, I mean, I'm not opposed to it.
16:01I'm not really sure. I mean, I, I have a friend that actually, um, he's
16:06in law school now, but he actually has like a, uh, he, he has a,
16:10uh, um, a literary journal called Green Gollum that actually I'm an editor for.
16:14And so it's actually a Zionist literary journal.
16:18And, um, he he, He has like agents and things like that.
16:22And so, yeah, technically he is my agent, but I never speak to him because
16:26he's in law school. So, you know, I could probably talk to him about like
16:30writing a book. I know I would like to try and then maybe go on
16:34tour and do something about it.
16:36Right. Yeah. Come back and talk to us about it when you publish it.
16:39And I'll take full credit for making it happen.
16:41Of course. The inspiration came here, I guess.
16:44What are you most proud of in your life?
16:48Oh, that's hard. I think like I'm my biggest probably critics.
16:53So like I don't it's hard because I don't and this is a bad thing.
16:57I admit it. I don't really.
17:00I'm really I'm critical of myself, so I'm not really good at thinking of like
17:03the things that I'm proud of.
17:06But I would say and I think I probably like overcame a lot of statistics.
17:10So like I'm from the south side of Chicago.
17:12So like from like the best, you know, background.
17:18And I think that when I look at, you know, where a lot of people
17:22ended up in my own community, where they're from, they are not in good.
17:28Not a good place. Right.
17:30But they didn't really end up, you know, transcending their circumstances or improving their life
17:39in any way. And so I think there's pride in that that I have.
17:45I think that's. That's big.
17:48I mean, that's a very big one.
17:49That's probably a big one.
17:52I would say that I'm probably proud of myself for I don't know.
17:57I think like I probably would fashion myself to be a probably pretty resilient person
18:02and pretty like resourceful, crafty in certain ways in terms of like, you know, I'm
18:08really good at. I'm really good at dealing with like crises.
18:12So like when just bad things kind of happen, I'm kind of really good at
18:15like. That's an important skill.
18:17Yeah. Yeah. So like I, you know, and it's kind of like.
18:22I'm kind of like extreme in that way or I actually do better in like
18:25a crisis more so than I do better in like normal.
18:28You like the tension. Mundane.
18:30Yeah. I don't know if I like attention, but I just think it's like.
18:32Not attention. The tension. Sorry.
18:34The tension. Like if I'm.
18:36Yeah. Yeah. If I'm in a situation where it's like something has to be like,
18:40it's like very urgent and I'm really good at like kind of snapping in my.
18:45Well, I mean, all writers are kind of procrastinators, right?
18:48I think. Yeah. And that's kind of like one of the things I wish I
18:51was better at. Like I'm not the best at being focused normally.
18:57I'm not the best at being super disciplined or organized.
19:01And I think that that's.
19:02Those are things that probably definitely I would say probably hold me back in life.
19:05It's just like my inability to kind of get be more cognizant of that.
19:13But yeah, but there are things I'm proud of.
19:16Obviously, I think like just, you know, doing better.
19:20I think doing better than the situations that I, you know, was raised in.
19:25Like I'm proud of that.
19:26And I think that, you know, upward mobility is, you know, something that a lot
19:33of people don't accomplish, especially this day and age.
19:37But, you know, I think that's something I'm proud of.
19:39And I also think like the ability to think for myself, which is something that
19:43a lot of people don't do.
19:45Also very tough. Yeah. Yeah, I think in an era where like people are just
19:49kind of like lazy, you know, people don't really think for themselves.
19:53People don't read. People don't, you know, they get food, food sped their opinions.
19:57And a lot of people just kind of like go along, get along.
19:59And I'm not really good at that.
20:01Like I am much more, I think, pugnacious or combative than that in a sense
20:07of like I'm not really good at just being told what to do.
20:12So like I am really, you know, I don't know, like things have to make
20:17sense for me in order to do things.
20:18So like that's why I don't really fall in with a lot of like progressive
20:22dogma because a lot of it, I agree with some of it, but a lot
20:25of it's just like, OK, this is stupid.
20:27And like you have to explain this to me.
20:30And, you know, they're not.
20:32Yeah. Or the explanation is just wrong.
20:35And, you know, I don't know.
20:37Like I, I would say that those are the things I'm probably most proud of.
20:43Give us a five year out prediction.
20:46And it could be about anything at all.
20:48I mean, music, art, you know, politics, anything.
20:52Well, I would say five years out from now, I would probably like to be
21:00doing something in the media that is like more visual.
21:04So like as we've talked before, like I would like to have some sort of
21:07podcast or a show where I am like, you know, maybe doing things where I'm
21:15talking and like interviewing people.
21:17I think that will be really interesting.
21:18I think something in politics largely, like I live in D .C.
21:22already. So like that is kind of like the natural outgrowth and evolution of, you
21:28know, what I'm already doing.
21:30I think I want to.
21:34I think having a book would be be nice.
21:37I think having something that's, you know, business oriented or a business would be nice.
21:45Yeah. I think. think you know yeah I mean there's there's a lot of things
21:51there that can be done um and so yeah like I'm really excited about you
21:57know kind of coming into a newer like I want to accomplish more things I
22:02actually do have like things online for this for a setup for like a little
22:05mini podcast kind of not a studio but just like a podcast setup for like
22:09I mean that's what I have yeah I don't have a podcast setup I have
22:13a mic and some lights and a background and that's it yeah yeah so for
22:18me I think I definitely want to do that I think I have like like
22:22paralysis of like in terms of like just starting it and I think maybe it's
22:27because I I overthink of like how do I want how do I do this
22:31it needs to be done perfectly but I also think that like one thing I've
22:35learned is that it's best to start something rather than for sure yeah just do
22:39it do it and figure it out along the way yeah rather than just like
22:42having being determined to start perfectly because if you're going to try and start perfectly
22:47and just start that's the that's the advice yeah that that's just kind of like
22:52what I want to do um and so like there's so many ways to do
22:55it yeah yeah I need to start like a tiktok probably something all right yeah
22:59that that's definitely a path we're gonna take a quick break and be right back
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24:41loved this conversation cory like i said i followed you for a while and i
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24:50listeners on how they can improve their lives i think reading honestly i think that's
24:56something that is becoming a lost skill i think especially in the new era of
25:01artificial intelligence where people don't do their own reading they don't do their own writing
25:05uh but i think reading is a good way to understand i think other people
25:11and their perspectives and lives i think reading understood or reading history i think especially
25:16is important non -fiction uh i think is important largely because that's you know so
25:22many of the answers for current predicaments i think are in the past yeah these
25:27are not you know these are not really new battles that we're fighting in our
25:31society and i but i think that we struggle to learn from our lessons because
25:36we don't really look uh you know we forget like we have amnesia because we
25:42don't you know we visit uh you know the the past issues of our society
25:48right like we've done this already let's let's learn yeah so i think reading i
25:52think also and i'm probably really bad at this but i think turning off social
25:56media is really good because i think you really get sucked into easily these uh
26:01virtual worlds and landscapes that don't are not real not reflective of society but also
26:07just incentivize uh the worst possible behavior absolutely and um i think that that's something
26:16and i also think one thing i'm kind of thinking of is um a lot
26:19of the kind of current economic landscape is built around like really hijacking people and
26:28getting them addicted you're seeing this a lot with young men so like one thing
26:31i've been thinking about a lot non -stop is actually gambling so like gambling is
26:36becoming really is super super um accessible yeah so easy but it's also addictive and
26:43so you're starting to see especially if young men for some reason i don't know
26:46if women have this issue but as young men right it's sports right it's the
26:51sports sports yeah yeah so and i read something that like 47 i believe of
26:56men that were like 14 years old have gambled in the past year right um
27:01and it goes up to like 60 over 60 percent when you talk about college
27:05age 18 19 yeah and so we're building an entire generation of young men that
27:11are addicted to gambling which is bad yeah i yeah and Because, you know, as
27:17anyone who's dealt with any sort of gambling addict knows, it's very hard to have
27:22it to break. Yeah. You can end up losing your house.
27:26So this stuff is really, really bad and it's addictive and exploitative and there's no
27:30guard wells. Like we decided to legalize it.
27:32We had no national debate on this at all.
27:34Right. Like, you know, we have more impassioned debates over like weed, but we decided
27:39to gamble, you know, just put that out there.
27:41There's no discussion. We just did it.
27:43And so there's a lot of things I think we need to be thinking about
27:46as a society. But I love that.
27:48Read more. Be on the Internet less.
27:50I think that's a good recipe for my listeners.
27:53Thank you so much for coming on.
27:54He is Corey Walker. Read him in the Algeminer.
27:57He is fantastic on X.
27:59Check him out. Thanks so much, Corey.
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