Hour 1 - Manufacturing Mass Delusion
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0:34Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.
0:41Appreciate you all being here with us.
0:43Clay is out today. He is doing fancy things at Mar -a -Lago, Trump's southern
0:51White House, if you will.
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0:56And he'll be back with us tomorrow.
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1:01So it's just going to be me today, which is interesting timing because Manufacturing Delusion
1:08is my book. And it came out yesterday.
1:10And already, my friends, it is rocketing up the charts because of all of you.
1:15I am deeply gratified, grateful, and humbled.
1:19But I need those of you who are hearing this for the first time or
1:23have been busy or haven't had a chance yet, get your copy.
1:28I am in a head -to -head struggle with anti -Trump lunatic Meacham, who now
1:35used to write history books, now writes books about how Trump is destroying the republic.
1:40So, yeah, we have to beat him.
1:44Have to beat the big lib offering this week, and I need your help to
1:48do it. Otherwise, the smug Morning Joe table will be high -fiving him for the
1:52number one New York Times bestseller next week.
1:55We cannot allow that. We cannot have it.
1:57I need you to mount up, get a copy of Manufacturing Delusion.
2:02It is, as people are finding when I talk to them in various interviews about
2:06the book, very topical. It is about political madness.
2:10The Democrat Party, I would argue, has been seized by political madness for years now.
2:16They are, in fact, in the grips of continuous but shifting mass hysteria.
2:22Sometimes it's climate change. Sometimes it's BLM.
2:25Sometimes it's COVID. And this is something, and obviously the transgender issue and the transgender
2:32mass shootings that we've seen the last week bring this to the forefront.
2:35It is time that we call this what it is.
2:38It is mass delusion, and it is only possible because there are tactics of mind
2:45control that are being deployed against these individuals.
2:53And then en masse, they all come together, and this is what ends up happening.
2:58So, this is why Manufacturing Delusion is such an important book, and I really need
3:04you to go get a copy of it today.
3:05And I am going to shamelessly plug it throughout the show because I wrote it.
3:08I care about it. It matters.
3:10Also, some cool CIA stories in there and stuff from the NYPD when I was
3:14there. So, things I've never written about or talked about before.
3:17Even if you've listened to me for 15 years, there are things in this book,
3:20some reminiscences that I have that you will have never heard or I've never talked
3:26about before. And, yeah, some stuff I did in Iraq, which you may find really
3:31interesting, some stuff I did in Afghanistan.
3:34So, go get your copy today.
3:36All right. Now, I said mass delusion in the grip of mass delusion Democrats.
3:40That is certainly the case for them.
3:44And we get Mamdani -ism already on full display.
3:49Now, I get that for a lot of you, there's going to be this feeling
3:53of schadenfreude. You're going to feel like, you know, New York voted for this.
3:59New York gets what it deserves.
4:01This is obviously Clay's point of view on this.
4:04And this is something that you think doesn't concern you.
4:08Here's why I think it does.
4:09It concerns all of us.
4:10In the same way that Venezuela is a cautionary tale as a nation state for
4:16the rest of the world, when you put social justice above actual justice and private
4:23property rights and capitalism and individual rights, all this, the situation in New York City
4:31is unfortunately, I think, going to be something of a lesson for the rest of
4:36the country. And what happens when you put a totally unqualified individual in charge of
4:43America's premier city? And what are the sorts of things that he does as a
4:49result? This is not somebody with any history of management experience.
4:53This is not somebody with any policy expertise per se.
4:56He knows how to sound charming to people while he tells them, while he tells
5:02the ignorant and the resentful what they want to hear and smiles while he does
5:09it. And that was apparently enough, enough to become mayor of New York.
5:13Now, you might point out that's more than de Blasio brought to the table, who
5:18was just a Democrat machine thug.
5:22And it's more than Eric Adams brought to the table.
5:24who tried to make the city better but really failed.
5:28I think it was, at best, treading water on most issues.
5:32He did say the right things on immigration, and of course the Democrats turned on
5:36him because he did not want his city to become a refugee camp, which is
5:42what was happening in New York City.
5:44But Mamdani, as we all warned, that this would be what starts to happen, and
5:48this is just the early stages of this, he gave a press conference where he
5:52announced that he is going to raise taxes.
5:55You know what? I'll let you hear it from Kami Mamdani himself.
5:59This is Cut One. Play it.
6:02At heart of this path is a property tax increase.
6:05This would effectively be a tax on working and middle -class New Yorkers who have
6:09a median income of $122 ,000.
6:12The second path also requires us to raid our reserves.
6:15It would mean withdrawing $980 million from our city's rainy day fund in fiscal year
6:212026 and $229 million from the Retiree Health Benefit Trust in fiscal year 2027.
6:28These are steps that have been taken before, but only in moments of extraordinary external
6:33crisis. Mayor Bloomberg's response to the 2008 financial collapse and Mayor de Blasio's response to
6:39the enormous revenue shortfall caused by the pandemic.
6:41We do not want to have to turn to such drastic measures to balance our
6:46budget. He doesn't want to get to drastic measures.
6:50Hold on a second. Hold on a second.
6:55Mamdani has proposed a preliminary budget of $127 billion for New York City.
7:05$127 billion. The entire state of Florida in which I live has a budget of
7:12$117 billion. So New York City, 8 .5 million people.
7:17Florida, 21 million people. And Mamdani wants to spend more taxpayer dollars on New York
7:25City than my entire now home state is going to pay for everything.
7:31Everything in the, every line item in its budget.
7:34And, and this is just, uh, completely insane.
7:38This is completely nuts. And to put it in the context for you of how
7:42nuts is this? $127 billion budget.
7:46You know what the budget was in 2021?
7:49High, but in New York City, the budget was $88 billion.
7:55We're talking about roughly a 50 % budget increase in five, it's called six years.
8:05In six years, a 50 % budget increase for New York City, which was already
8:08a massive and bloated budget.
8:11Now there are going to be many lessons.
8:13I pulled the numbers here for you.
8:15In 2021, it was $88 billion.
8:18In 22, it was $98 billion.
8:20In 23, it was $101 billion.
8:22In 24, it was $106 billion.
8:23In 25, it was $112 billion.
8:25In 26, it was $115 billion.
8:27$120, he wants to jack it up.
8:29$12 billion in one year.
8:34In one year. From where it's already been sky high.
8:39There's so much here, my friends, and I know we have a lot of listeners
8:44in New York. We have fantastic WOR radio listeners, and many people listen on podcasts,
8:50and however they listen to the show.
8:53And my family lives in Manhattan still, half of my family.
8:57And there are, unfortunately, a lot of us that sit around and just say, well,
9:02of course this is what's happening.
9:03We knew this was going to happen.
9:05But it's still crazy to watch it unfold this way.
9:09New York City's budget, 40 % of it, 40 % is going to go to
9:15the Department of Education. New York City's public school system is awful overall.
9:21There are some exceptions. There are some elite schools.
9:24The overall New York City school system is awful.
9:27The overall spending per pupil is above what a vast majority of private schools across
9:35America in the same grade year would cost.
9:40I mean, team, pull for me what the per pupil spending is going to be
9:44under this budget. I can't do the math in my head.
9:46But I'm sure it's going to be in the $30 ,000 range, maybe $25 ,000,
9:51something like that. Which is just insane.
9:5526 % of this budget is going to go to social services.
10:02A lot of that's just kind of welfare stuff.
10:04So you're paying for a massive education bureaucracy that fails and a welfare state.
10:09And that is what you get for being in New York City.
10:12That is why you have maybe second only, although with the tax hike that he's
10:17talking about here, it might be more.
10:20It's either this place or California.
10:22And I think actually state and local New York City is worse than any state
10:27and local burden you get in California without taking property taxes into account.
10:32So I'd have to do a side -by -side comparison.
10:35But you're paying absolutely egregious taxes in New York so that you can have a
10:41failing education bureaucracy and a massive welfare state.
10:45And a welfare state that, let's remember, was estimated to be spending $14 billion.
10:52couple of years ago on illegals on newly arrived illegals alone in the New York
10:56City budget there are so many lessons from this and so many things that we
11:00can take from this but a few a few that come to mind right away
11:06it's never enough money whatever the mom Donnie's of the world whatever Kami Mom Donnie
11:13and his progressive left -wing lunatic base whatever they want this year from the taxpayer
11:24to take remember they don't ask they take this from you with the force of
11:29the state if you don't pay they'll take your business they'll take your house they'll
11:33take you to prison you have to pay this year whatever they want and then
11:40next year it will somehow be more because they say so next year it's going
11:45to be more and sure enough it's got a burden oh wow it's going to
11:49fall on on middle -class people too oh how many times must we learn the
11:54lesson how many times but this is where you get to the other part of
11:59it which is there also this kind of fiscal policy this kind of spending this
12:05approach to government that Mom Donnie has which is the same for a lot of
12:10Democrats in a lot of cities and even states the state of California is run
12:14with the ideology of New York City it's the same thing Gavin Newsom and Mom
12:17Donnie really see things the same way they pander to the takers by scapegoating the
12:26makers they tell people who have resentment for whatever their financial situation is it's because
12:33of those rich fat cats who aren't paying enough the fat cats meanwhile are paying
12:38without the top 1 % of earners in New York City the whole the whole
12:43thing is is preposterous like you lose 50 % of the revenue 1 % is
12:48paying 50 % but that's not enough and the failures of not just the failures
12:54that will come from this tax policy but the implementation failures that you will see
12:59meaning schools aren't going to get better streets aren't going to get safer the the
13:04free bus thing is never going to happen I mean all these different things it
13:08will be blamed on the people who are paying the taxes that are never enough
13:14and that will be wasted by these communist fools it's it's inevitable it's inevitable but
13:22remember communism is a religion leftist progressive political thought is a religion replacement it is
13:30in fact a civil or civic religion if you will it is their view of
13:35themselves this it they will do things that make people poorer that hurt the city
13:42overall because they say this was also Obama it's the right thing to do they
13:46have to pay more in taxes because it's the right thing to do if there's
13:49less tech that there's less money that comes into the government coffers if the flight
13:54of high earners hurts the budget even more fine it's the right thing to do
14:01they will say because it's about envy and resentment and spreading the frustration of some
14:09people out and targeting others with it it's just neo -marxism that's what this is
14:16it's neo -marxism it's not going to bring down the price of anyone's apartment the
14:20people who believe that are ignoramuses he's not going to bring down costs he's going
14:25to raise costs just like we knew what they were going to do in Venezuela
14:28when the idiot government seized private property seized factories set prices guess what they couldn't
14:35make washing machines at half the price that they were being sold before the government
14:39seized the washing machine factories what a shock the lesson is not yet learned they
14:45will never learn the lesson though because they don't care they don't care they live
14:49in a delusion which is why manufacturing delusion is such an important book and you
14:55need to go buy your copy now be armed with the arguments understand their tactics
15:01get your book today my friends now take some of your calls get into all
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16:48Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
16:51800 -282 -2882. Let's hear from some New Yorkers or New York area folks about
16:57what they think with this latest.
16:59I know people are going to say, I told you so.
17:01And we all told each other so.
17:04This is not a surprise that this was going to happen.
17:07But here is Mom Donnie.
17:09If you want to talk about this guy, he is like the quintessential student council
17:13contender, you know, for school, who's like, and I'm going to ban homework and no
17:21one's going to have to show up on time and everyone's going to be able
17:25to just take, you know, long walks in the park in the middle of the
17:29day instead of doing math homework.
17:31Okay. Here is Mom Donnie saying a 2 % tax on millionaires.
17:35That's all it would take to make everything amazing for everyone.
17:38This is back in November of last year.
17:39Play it. I continue to think that having the top 1 % of New York
17:43City who are making more than a million dollars a year, having them pay 2
17:47% more for an economic agenda that would transform every New Yorker's life, including their
17:53own, is something that is worthwhile.
17:56How could anyone believe that this charlatan, which is really, I think, the word for
18:02he's a charlatan, he's smooth talking, he is full of BS, how could anyone think
18:09that he will transform their life for the better?
18:15How could anyone think that you just give this guy more money and you will
18:20be in a place where all of a sudden you find yourself, you know, able
18:26to, it just does not make any sense to me, my friends.
18:31It does not make any sense why people believe this, why people think that somehow
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19:26B -U -C -K. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
19:30We're going to get into your calls and some of your talkbacks coming up, but
19:34also taking a look at where we're going later on in the show, I want
19:39to remind you or want to tell you that Congressman Chip Roy will be with
19:42us. We're going to talk about the SAVE Act.
19:44We're going to talk about this partial government shutdown.
19:47Got to get into the business of politics today a bit, and we will certainly
19:49do that in some detail because, once again, the Democrats are up to what they
19:56do, the usual obstruction and misdirection, and they don't have any—well, they can't be honest
20:06with the American people about immigration enforcement because, at the end of the day, the
20:11Democrat Party is an open borders party, and they won't say that, but that is
20:15what they are. They do not want people to be kicked out of the country
20:18because the more people that are here, as we know, who are illegal, and they
20:22tend to consolidate in—well, not all, but a lot of them are in blue states,
20:28and they want more congressional representation, as we know, in the census, and they also
20:34want to bring in people who will become, either through amnesty or through having children
20:41here who are then—now, the Supreme Court's still looking at this issue, but having people
20:45here who are anchor babies, and then they're likely to be raised in a household
20:48where they will view the Democrat Party as their ally and friend because they are
20:54pro -illegal, and their parents are illegals, et cetera.
20:57Democrats do not want these laws to be enforced, but they do not have the
21:02honesty with the electorate to say that.
21:05So instead, they just quibble with the tactics or the how it's being done today.
21:11They don't want this to be done.
21:13They oppose taking people off the streets, including people who are public safety threats.
21:21I mean, that's the part of this that has been so remarkable, I think, and
21:26that's why the madness that we saw so much of in Minneapolis, where they were
21:31making this their big stand against evil ICE and the latest from the Trump administration,
21:37these were targeted arrests of people that already went before a judge, have a deportation
21:44order, and the reason they went before a judge and got the deportation order in—
21:47so many cases, is because they did something really bad and really illegal.
21:52They committed some crime in addition to their illegality.
21:56So they can't even be in this country without breaking additional laws, and we're not
22:04allowed to send them home.
22:06And understand this, too. The Democrats abused the process so much.
22:12They want to make it impossible to actually send anyone home to their actual country.
22:19They want to say that there's new evidentiary burdens, and they create this endless amount
22:26of process. I'll tell you, a friend of mine who worked in the district attorney's
22:33office, a very good friend of mine, many years, we grew up together, worked in
22:36the district attorney's office, and he told me something that I just thought was fascinating
22:40and really, you know, devious but clever that the Bragg administration was doing.
22:48Alvin Bragg in New York City, remember the guy, the DA who brought charges against
22:51Trump. The most absurd charges imaginable.
22:55I mean, the whole thing was, it's just preposterous, truly.
22:59But one of the things they did was they would make these agreements in process
23:06for the evidentiary burden, and this was because of these far -left, like, don't put
23:12anyone in prison groups that exist out there, because prison is, in this country, the
23:16far -left believes that prison is inherently racist, that our justice system is racist, and
23:20therefore, we really just want to just have, like, no one go to prison, to
23:24the greatest degree possible. Like, almost nobody should go to prison for anything.
23:27That's what the left fundamentally, the hard left on this issue, they don't just want
23:31to abolish ICE, they want to abolish prisons.
23:33They call it an abolition movement.
23:36This is real. Now, this is a little more in the vanguard of the left.
23:40This isn't something that, you know, you're going to have, like Chuck Schumer coming out
23:43and saying, but they really do, at the end of the day, they want to
23:48make it so that there are very few people who go to prison, and so
23:51the way they did this in New York City was they made the paperwork burden
23:56on ADAs, assistant district attorneys, so high, it would take so many hours just to
24:04file the paperwork so that they could bring charges against somebody for, you know, assault
24:09with a deadly weapon or whatever it is, that they would have to drop a
24:13lot of cases. And this didn't, understand, this doesn't go through, it's not a, that's
24:18not something that was voted on in the state assembly, and as I talked about,
24:22no, they just, the DA's office goes, all right, well, now we have to basically
24:25fill these out in triplicate, and it's going to take you, instead of, you know,
24:30two hours, it'll take you six hours of filing this and filing that and going,
24:35so the manpower reality is that you're going to have far fewer people prosecuted and
24:41far more criminals unpunished. And that happened in New York City, and that is happening
24:46in New York City under Alvin Bragg, who just got reelected, I might add.
24:50That's what they want to do with immigration enforcement.
24:53But you see how it's so dishonest?
24:57They want to say, oh, well, everyone should just have process, but the process that
25:00they want to have is, if you happen to be one of the people that
25:05ICE picks up, that ICE is prioritizing, you've got to go in front of a
25:09judge to fight, maybe you get an asylum hearing, you say, oh, I want to
25:13claim defensive asylum, and then you've got to go in front of another judge and
25:17say that ICE mistreated you, and now you've got to go there.
25:19No one gets sent home.
25:21No one gets sent back to their actual country.
25:24That is the process that they're trying to achieve.
25:26They're going to lie to you about this.
25:27I've been telling you for years that the whole asylum thing's a scam.
25:31Damn, these aren't our asylum seekers.
25:35If they're asylum seekers, if, hey, I'm here from, you know, I'm here from Columbia
25:42because I want to get a better job and I want more money for my
25:46family, if that's asylum, then we better get ready for about a billion people to
25:50come to America because that's what we're opening ourselves up to.
25:52That's not asylum. And also, asylum traditionally was a, it's a pretty small number that
25:58we take in any given year, something like 50 ,000, 30 ,000, and it's for
26:03extreme cases, and it's just us trying to be humanitarians.
26:07It is an act of humanitarian charity by the American people that we even have
26:14an asylum system, asylum process, and none of these people who are coming, who have
26:21been coming in for years are actually going to qualify for asylum.
26:26The biggest way, and I, funnily enough, I had a long conversation in the green
26:30room once of a TV channel with Tom about this before he was running, you
26:36know, running ICE under Trump.
26:37I mean, the biggest thing of all that you need to know is unless these
26:43individuals who came in through Mexico and say that they want asylum here, unless they
26:47stopped in most likely Mexico, but even sometimes they come from some other country on
26:52the way, maybe they, you know, traverse Panama or they come up through the Darien
26:56Gap, unless they try to get asylum in that country, they're not allowed to get
27:03asylum here because the point isn't I get to pick, I want to be in
27:07America. That's immigration. That's, hey, we get to see if you're going to benefit the
27:13American people. The point is, hey, we don't want you to die.
27:15or be tortured to death for your religion or your political beliefs or whatever it
27:19may be, so we're going to take in some people just to be nice, to
27:23save them, because the American people are kind.
27:26If you didn't apply for asylum in some other country that you were fleeing and
27:31you went through Mexico, if you didn't apply in Mexico, you can't get it here
27:35because you're not actually seeking safety.
27:37You're seeking America, which is a different thing.
27:41And so this is why when you, oh, my gosh, I had a few years,
27:44they're part of the process.
27:46They're doing what they're supposed to do.
27:48They're just waiting for their hearing.
27:50Like 70 or 80 percent of these so -called asylum seekers never even show up
27:53for their hearing. So then what do you do?
27:56Oh, well, then we've got to send people after them to arrest them and deport
28:00them. Oh, it's terrible. You see how the game is played?
28:05They want the result of everyone stays, and they do not have the honesty.
28:11They do not have the courage to tell you that is what they want because
28:16the American people aren't with them on that.
28:18And also that would be an admission that our country is, the sovereignty of this
28:23nation is effectively gone, that we are the world's refugee camp, soup kitchen, welfare ward.
28:31That is what America has turned into.
28:33And that is a country that is in the process of dissolving.
28:37That's why this is so important.
28:40And that's why I've been on, immigration has been, for me, the most important issue
28:46in America of the last decade, by far.
28:49By far. And we are finally now having a conversation around this rooted in reality.
28:56I was on the front lines of this one, at least debating, and CNN, and
29:00these, back when people actually used to, like, pay attention to CNN.
29:02And now CNN's, I actually almost feel, I don't feel sorry for them, but if
29:06they were nicer people over there, I could feel sorry for them because the channel's
29:09become such a joke. And no one watches.
29:12It's a little sad. You want to take out a tiny, every time you see
29:15Jake Tapper on the TV screen, you want to take out a tiny little violin.
29:20You know, it's so sad what has happened to that channel.
29:23But they, of course, deserve every bit of it because they embrace dishonesty and they
29:28embrace the defamation, not only of Donald Trump and his supporters, but even of individuals
29:33that, as you remember, CNN would target, like, show up on the front lawn of
29:37some woman. And you said this on Facebook about Trump.
29:41Do you realize Russian disinformation?
29:43So they've earned every bit of the ignominious decline that they have suffered over there
29:50at CNN. I have no issue with that whatsoever, but I remember arguing with people
29:58about whether, and this is real, about whether walls work.
30:06On the first Trump administration, that was one of the debates that we were having,
30:09just to bring it all full circle.
30:11Well, now they're saying ICE officers need to show their faces and we need body
30:15cameras on them and we need to, you know, I'm going to be very clear,
30:19I'm pro -body cameras for all law enforcement all the time to the degree that
30:23we can do that. I mean, there's an expenditure and there's costs involved, but I
30:27am one of the first people to say this.
30:29I'm not going to claim that I am the guy who said it, but I'm
30:31one of the first people who said body cameras effectively defeated the BLM movement.
30:36And now the free sharing of that footage that occurs on X without the hand
30:43of leftist commies at Twitter headquarters in San Francisco deciding, oh, you can't show that
30:50footage, oh, that's not allowed.
30:52Now that the body camera footage can get out and be freely shared, yeah, BLM
30:58movement's got a big problem.
31:00BLM movement's not, not. And I would say in this case, or rather in the
31:05cases in Minneapolis, without the body camera footage that did get out in those cases,
31:11those instances, the situation would have been far worse for the administration because they would
31:16have just made up whatever narrative in the media they wanted.
31:19So I'm pro -body cameras.
31:21But note, once again, the Democrats are criticizing on process what they actually don't have
31:28the courage to criticize on policy.
31:30They want to nitpick. They want to say, oh, it's about this or that.
31:36They have to do this a little differently or whatever it may be just so
31:39they can make it impossible for deportations to happen and for Trump to keep his
31:44promise to the base because locking down the border, that's something he was very capable
31:49of doing and has already done.
31:51That ship has sailed. They know that, and also I might add, they won't be
31:58able to have the same debate around that issue that they've had in the past
32:01because there has been, in my mind at least, a big shift in the public's
32:07understanding of what is possible at the border.
32:10I was saying years ago at CNN, I would have an argument over whether walls
32:14work and people would say things and think themselves clever.
32:17I think even Nancy Pelosi said this once on TV, but there were a bunch
32:20of Democrats who would say, you show me a 10 -foot wall, I'll show you
32:23an 11 -foot ladder. Now, I had been at the border with Border Patrol doing
32:27ride -alongs where people had scaled the fence.
32:30And you know what happens?
32:31They are slowed down. It's clear what they're doing.
32:35And then Border Patrol arrests them because it's not that they work perfectly, but they
32:41help a whole heck of a lot.
32:42And also... Slows people down in high traffic areas, usually around cities where there's a
32:47border crossing, a place like El Paso, for example.
32:49It slows them down so that you can deploy those resources more effectively at the
32:56border. We don't need as many people in this sector.
32:59We can put them in because we have a wall which frees up manpower to
33:04make the arrests that we need to make elsewhere along the border.
33:07So we're winning on this issue.
33:09It's very important. We're winning on this issue.
33:12The only way that Democrats can win is to emotionalize it and to honestly just
33:17deceive the public about what's really happening.
33:20And this is why they're making this huge issue of funding right now, right now
33:24for the government. They're holding up funding for the Coast Guard and for FEMA and
33:29for and there's some money that's already been set aside for this.
33:32But they have to come up with something because otherwise the whole thing just becomes
33:37an admission that they've lied about everything related to the border.
33:39They're wrong about everything and the American people are not with them.
33:42And that's a tough thing to carry into into a midterm election.
33:45It really is. We can only hope.
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35:02Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
35:05I appreciate you being with us.
35:06Like I said, Clay is doing an event today, but he will be back with
35:11us on the morrow. And in the meantime, I want to take your calls, your
35:18talkbacks, and all of that good stuff.
35:21We have Chris in Maine.
35:22Do we still have Mr.
35:23Chris in Maine? Let's hear from Mr.
35:26Chris in Maine. You're up, sir.
35:29As far as on the immigration piece, you could build as many walls, as big
35:33a wall as you want.
35:34You can get as many ICE agents as you want.
35:37You can even start passing legislation as far as the immigration is concerned.
35:41But until we change the incentive, until we take away the money, people are going
35:46to continue to come. There's always the incentive for them to come here.
35:49So all these reactive things that we're doing, it's not going to stop the problem
35:54that we have. We haven't been proactive.
35:57I think you're correct in that that has to be a part of the overall
36:01approach. I mean, stopping people from coming in certainly helps.
36:05Deporting people who are here helps.
36:06But to turn off the magnet, that's a fundamental issue of our immigration.
36:11And that goes then to workplace enforcement, which is a whole other part of this,
36:17that even a lot of Republicans get very squishy on all of a sudden.
36:22But this idea that you can take, I mean, look, the H -1B scam has
36:26been exposed now after years of people saying, it's only the best and the brightest
36:29in the H -1B program.
36:31That's a lie. It's an end run.
36:33It allows people to skip to the front of the line for permanent status here
36:37while getting underpaid in their specific industry.
36:40We all see the scam.
36:42There's a lot of scams that are run on immigration.
36:46And people, look, they hire illegals in a lot of these factories and stuff because
36:50they can pay them below market wages.
36:52And they can assume that the government's going to make up the shortfall by giving
36:56them welfare and all these other things.
36:57And that's just not right.
36:59It's not right. It's actually against the law.
37:02We don't even have to pass a law that says don't do this.
37:05It's already against the law.
37:06But people just don't want to enforce that law.
37:08Well, we should either rescind that and live in the honest world of, you know,
37:13we're open borders or enforce at workplaces as well.
37:17So more on that coming up.
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