Weekly Review With Clay and Buck - Hour 3 - The Social Cost of Weed
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
0:38Show podcast. Welcome in. Hour number three, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
0:43Still no update, really, on Nancy Guthrie.
0:46For those of you following that case, Pam Bondi is testifying on Capitol Hill about
0:52Jeffrey Epstein and more. Good news coming out about the U .S.
0:56economy. Unemployment rate fell down to 4 .3%.
1:00Over 100 ,000 new jobs created.
1:03All of that very positive.
1:04It sent the stock market up again to near record highs and beyond.
1:11And we have been talking about all those stories and more throughout the course of
1:14the first two hours. But I was reading yesterday, Buck read as well, New York
1:19Times editorial came out and said, Hey, about this whole legalization of marijuana.
1:26Basically, we were wrong. I'm paraphrasing.
1:29The impact of marijuana on society has been far more substantial than we anticipated.
1:35A stat in there blew my mind.
1:38More people use marijuana daily than use alcohol daily.
1:44Alex Berenson, you've been writing about this for quite some time.
1:47I just put up a question, and I'm curious to see what the answer is
1:50as a lead -in for you.
1:52I asked, would you rather your kids smoke pot for the rest of their lives
1:59as adults or drink alcohol for the rest of their lives?
2:03I'll share those results with you here shortly.
2:05But Alex, you're a parent.
2:08And obviously, I know a lot of people out there are like, I don't want
2:10my kids to drink, and I don't want them to smoke anything.
2:12Okay, ideally, that would be the case.
2:14They live to be 180 and be super healthy.
2:16But if you had to choose as a father based on what you know, is
2:21alcohol or pot, in your mind, more of a health concern when it's used regularly?
2:29If we're talking about starting as a teenager, I would definitely want them to consume
2:34alcohol instead of cannabis. Because cannabis is much more likely to cause them really severe
2:41psychiatric health problems if they start using as a teenager.
2:45Okay, sorry to cut you off there, but explain what you mean by that.
2:51Because most people think pot, they think like you're just kind of a, well, I'm
2:55going to be honest, like kind of a slacker, not very motivated, those things.
2:59But there is evidence out there that actually it leads to severe psychological issues, explain.
3:08So it's interesting, because I wrote a book called Tell Your Children about this in
3:132019, right? That's seven years ago.
3:15And, you know, even at that time, the science was pretty developed on this.
3:20It's only become more developed since.
3:21And I would say I sort of experienced what it was like to kind of
3:25be too far ahead on an issue, in that the industry hated me, the legalizers
3:31hated me, and nobody, either on the left or the right, was particularly interested in
3:37the science. Because I think most people had, you know, the only, yes, there were
3:43older people who didn't really like cannabis.
3:45But most people, you know, I would say 50 and younger, certainly viewed things the
3:51way you do. Like, this is just a, you know, this is sort of a
3:54light recreational drug that, yeah, most people, if they get stoned, they're just going to
3:59sit on their couch eating Doritos.
4:01So there's a couple things.
4:03First of all, that was never really true.
4:05But it's become much less true in the last 20 years.
4:09And the reason for that is that cannabis has gotten much, much stronger.
4:13So what I mean is that the plant used to have 1 % to 5
4:18% THC in it by weight.
4:20And so, you know, you'd pack a joint, you'd smoke it, you'd get maybe 10
4:24milligrams of THC. And that was, you know, that was a couple of drinks.
4:27It was enough to get you a bit high.
4:30Some people liked that. Some people didn't.
4:32These days, what's happened is that the industry has, cannabis actually is quite addictive, not
4:39so much physically, psychologically. It's very addictive.
4:41And the industry, even before it became legal, but also since it's become legal, has
4:45responded to that by producing plants that are like 20 % to 30 % THC
4:51by weight. So you're getting much more of this chemical.
4:54It's like you used to drink a beer, and all of a sudden the beer
4:57is whiskey, okay? But there's something else that's happened, which is a lot of people
5:02these days don't even smoke what's called flower cannabis, which is what you think of
5:06as a joint or a bong.
5:07So when they're vaping, they're basically just, they're just basically inhaling pure THC.
5:13This is stuff that has been, if it's been grown at all, it's been grown
5:19with cannabis that isn't very high quality, and then literally people run alcohol.
5:25through it. They run propane through it.
5:27It's a real Frankensteinian process to extract this chemical THC.
5:31Then that's turned into a distillate that's put into a vape.
5:35So when people say this stuff is natural, it's about as natural.
5:38It's actually less natural than your average cigarette.
5:41It's more like a nicotine vape.
5:42And so what that means from the user point of view, putting aside all the
5:47chemical stuff, is what it means from a user point of view is it's really
5:52easy to use a lot of THC.
5:55And unlike alcohol, most people, you know, I would say most people have a pretty
5:59common reaction to alcohol, right?
6:00It's an intoxicant. It loosens you up a little bit.
6:03Some people really like it.
6:05But most people, even if they don't like it much, they'll like a couple of
6:08drinks, right? With cannabis, it's very different.
6:11Some people do not like the high at all.
6:13They find it makes them paranoid.
6:15It makes them upset. They do it once or twice.
6:17They don't like it. Some people really like this sort of quasi -hallucinatory effect it
6:22provides along with the intoxication.
6:24And those people will use a huge amount of it.
6:28And weirdly enough, some of them don't actually seem to mind that they get paranoid
6:32and quasi -psychotic on it.
6:33And those are the people who are really at risk.
6:36And unfortunately, if you start using this drug when you're 13, 14, 15, 16, and
6:42you become a heavy user of it, your risk of developing a psychotic disorder, usually
6:48schizophrenia, is much higher than people realize.
6:52And those are terrible illnesses, right?
6:54So schizophrenia is that, you know, you hear voices, you get very paranoid.
6:59It's something you can't turn on and off, right?
7:02It's not a temporary condition from smoking pot.
7:05It's permanent. And that wrecks people's lives.
7:08It wrecks families. And that's what Tell Your Children was all about.
7:12And so the industry obviously hated this.
7:15And I think just a lot of people didn't, you know, the reefer madness was
7:19what they thought. Oh, this is nonsense.
7:20This is not a real thing.
7:21This is just somebody who doesn't like drugs.
7:24Unfortunately, it is real. And I think what's happened in the last five years is
7:28a lot of people have seen friends or family members or kids or, you know,
7:34friends of kids get very badly impacted by cannabis.
7:37And in fact, to me, the most significant thing that happened in the last week,
7:41the Times editorial is very important.
7:44The most significant thing that happened in the last week is that a conservative commentator,
7:48a young woman named Brett Cooper, who you guys may know, I think she's in
7:53Nashville, right? Yeah, she is.
7:55So she wrote a post or she posted something on Twitter on X yesterday saying,
8:02my brother's just been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
8:04And the doctors told us it's probably related to his cannabis use.
8:08So that post has now gotten more than 4 million views.
8:12So what is happening is that people out there are seeing like, oh, this guy
8:16Berenson, he's not like, he's not some anti -drug lunatic.
8:19He's writing about a real medical problem that yes, obviously it's true that most people
8:25who use cannabis, even if they use a lot, even if they smoke THC vapes,
8:28they're not going to become permanently psychotic.
8:31But this is a real risk.
8:32It's a dangerous drug. There are other health risks.
8:35There are cardiac risks. There's something called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, which most people just call
8:42scrommeting, which is when you become, you start to use and you basically, you basically
8:47begin to vomit uncontrollably. And this is a real problem.
8:50I mean, it sounds bizarre, but it is a real problem.
8:53And then there's just like the apathy and the memory problems and just the general
8:57issues around using cannabis for long periods of time that I think even the industry
9:03would acknowledge. Could I, could I jump in there to just see, see if you
9:07can give us a sense of the societal cost of all of this as well?
9:11Because one thing I remember when we were at that phase of, oh, legalize, everything
9:15will be great. Everything will be fine.
9:16It was like, it's going to pay for all the schools.
9:19It's going to be so heavily taxed.
9:21That'll be a great source of revenue.
9:23And it'll all these, and it's going to be regulated in a way where it's
9:26not, I can't walk around the street in New York city now with, I just,
9:29there's just weed everywhere. It's just all over the place.
9:31And it drives me nuts.
9:34It's, there's a ton of weed and the truth is you can't tax it at
9:37a very high level because it will just drive people back to the illicit market.
9:40That's what California has found.
9:43And one of the other amazing things, so the Times writes this editorial and they
9:47say, well, basically we don't like vapes.
9:49We don't want 60 % THC cannabis products to be legal.
9:53So no vapes basically. So what's that going to look like in practice?
9:58We're going to have a legal industry that's advertising product, but more than 60 %
10:03is suddenly illegal. You want to talk about a nightmare for law enforcement?
10:06It's hard to imagine a bigger nightmare than that.
10:08So, I mean, to me, there are law enforcement issues here.
10:13There are questions that we have to answer as a society about legalization and regulation.
10:18But the number one issue here is cultural.
10:20The number one issue here is this can't be promoted to people as medicine anymore.
10:24And we have to be honest, it's an addictive, dangerous product that a lot of
10:28people can't use safely, that does cause car accidents, that does cause violence because psychosis
10:35does cause violence and cannabis can cause psychotic episodes as well as schizophrenia.
10:40And so if we're honest about it, if we, you know, if we push back
10:45the way we've pushed back on cigarettes, there will be less use.
10:49And that is the number one thing we got to do.
10:51We'll be right back. Thank you.
10:52Thank you. So, Alex, Buck and I were just talking off air.
10:57There are a lot of great societies where alcohol is consumed in a substantial level,
11:03right? I mean, much of human history, people have consumed alcohol and society has advanced
11:09in a significant way. Let me give you this, by the way.
11:1258 % of you say you would rather your kids, this is on my poll,
11:1658 % of you say you would rather your kids drink alcohol.
11:2042 % of you said you would rather your kids smoke pot.
11:23It seems to me, again, the slacker gene of pot smoking is that you just
11:29don't accomplish very much. Society -wide, if we all smoked pot and we all drank
11:37alcohol or vice versa, what do you think the impact would be?
11:41Obviously, in an ideal world, people would only make healthy decisions and we'd all live
11:45to be 150. But obviously, there are sins and vices that are going to be
11:51consumed. What should happen in your world if you had a magic wand with pot?
11:56And can you think society -wide, again, lots of cultures that embrace alcohol have had
12:01tremendous success. Are there cultures that embrace pot that have gone to different levels of
12:06societal and human history success?
12:09So, it is very interesting because usually when cannabis hits a certain level in society,
12:16and you can see this in India in particular, okay?
12:21But also in North Africa, to some extent in Mexico in the late 1800s, there
12:30becomes a big pushback, actually.
12:31And it's because what happens is people do say this doesn't look like a very
12:36good drug for a lot of people to be using.
12:39It doesn't seem to enhance motivation.
12:42It doesn't seem to make its users sort of better citizens in any way.
12:47It makes a lot of them drop out.
12:50And it makes some of them, again, in this odd way, it makes them mentally
12:55ill. And then we have to deal with the cost of that and the violence
12:58of that. And obviously, that's also terrible on a personal level for the person and
13:02for their families. And so, you see, basically, the U .S.
13:08and Canada have pushed legalization in the sort of last hundred years further than anybody
13:14else. And usually, when it hits the levels that it has hit in the U
13:19.S., I'm talking about historically, there is a pendulum swing against this, which you don't
13:25see with alcohol. Alcohol, you know, look, the U .S.
13:29did try to prohibit it at one time, but about 50 percent of adults consume
13:33alcohol in the U .S.
13:34And in some cultures, it's been more than that over time.
13:39And what you see is that alcohol is a drug that a lot of people
13:41consume pretty casually. And the only thing about alcohol is, and this sounds sort of
13:44a silly way to put it, but it's a real thing, it's easy to titrate.
13:48Meaning, if you have one beer, you kind of know what that one beer is
13:52going to do to you.
13:52Like, cannabis, it's smoked, it's actually a lot harder to know exactly how much you're
13:58consuming and how it might affect you at any time.
14:00And so, alcohol in some ways, I mean, if you're going to pick an intoxicant,
14:04alcohol is a pretty good intoxicant to pick.
14:07It's also a pro -social drug.
14:09Like, you know, you can do a study.
14:11You get a bunch of people who don't know each other in a room, and,
14:15you know, they don't talk much.
14:16You give each of them an alcohol, you know, an alcohol unit, a beer, a
14:20glass of wine, whatever it is, the noise level goes up.
14:22They start to talk. And so, I'm not saying that alcohol is in any way,
14:27you know, something we should all be using a lot or that it's a, you
14:31know, that it's a particularly good drug.
14:33It does cause violence. It causes car accidents.
14:36It can cause liver failure.
14:37There's tons of problems with alcohol.
14:38And frankly, I don't even necessarily think it should be advertised on television, but it
14:43is a better societal lubricant than cannabis, which essentially just puts people in rooms in
14:51their basements watching TV, right?
14:54Cannabis enhances sensation. So, yes, there's an idea of, oh, I'm going to go to
14:58a concert and smoke a little pot, and it'll make the music sort of sound
15:01more intense to me. But really, that's just an individual's experience.
15:06It is not really enhancing socialization in the way that alcohol does.
15:11So, yeah, I think, look, there are going to be people who smoke pot, okay?
15:15There's going to be people who like the effect that THC has on them.
15:18There's people who like the effect that cocaine has on them.
15:21There are people who like the effect that, you know, heroin has on them.
15:24And there are people who take risks.
15:25And even if those drugs are illegal, there's going to be some, as they should
15:29be, there's going to be some people who use them.
15:31That's not the question. The question is, as a society, do we want to encourage
15:36the use of cannabis and have a big legalized industry that's promoting this?
15:40And I think we are seeing more and more that the answer to that question
15:43is no. And for people who say, well, then you should prohibit alcohol, too.
15:46I'd say, again, alcohol is much more commonly used by people casually.
15:51It doesn't have this sort of – I mean, yes, there are alcoholics, but there's
15:55– alcohol is more embedded in the fabric of human society and has been for
16:01a really long time than cannabis.
16:03Yeah, Western civilization was built with a lot of people drinking wine.
16:07Ask anybody who goes to church, wine is part of a lot of important things.
16:09So I think there's a whole different set of situation or set of facts to
16:15address there. Alex, we've got to leave it there, but people should go subscribe to
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18:04T's and C's apply. Clay, I think we are going to get lit up in
18:09the emails, and I think we're going to get lit up in the comments and
18:13everything else. We've got a lot of weed -smoking boomers in this audience.
18:17That I can tell you, a lot of weed -smoking boomers living it up like
18:24they're back at Woodstock or something.
18:27So that's something that we're going to address here.
18:30I just, you know, there's the public policy side of this.
18:33There's also, it's interesting, too, people are saying, well, alcohol is so bad, alcohol is
18:36so bad. I don't really drink anymore.
18:39And I'm not, it's not even because I, you know, I didn't have a problem
18:43with it. And, you know, I just don't really drink anymore.
18:46And I don't miss it.
18:47I'll occasionally have to celebrate something, like a glass of champagne or whatever.
18:52So I'm also not particularly pro, like, getting lit up either.
18:56But we'll talk. I like beer.
18:58I like beer. Yeah. I'm on the flip side there.
19:02But we'll take your calls.
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20:18A bunch of people reacting to a variety.
20:22Epstein and weed. We tried to go find the two most controversial topics on the
20:29planet from the perspective of many people out there and get your reactions.
20:34You just heard from Alex Berenson.
20:36New York Times now says, hey, legalizing weed was a problem.
20:40Buck, here's what... And I'm going to get to some of these feedback in a
20:42sec. Here's one thing I would say.
20:45Weed is everywhere. You walk down a city street now, the smell of marijuana is
20:51everywhere. It used to be somewhat rare.
20:53You'd be at a concert, at least in my experience.
20:55You would smell weed and you would notice it.
20:58Hotel rooms. I don't know if it's just me.
21:01Lately, when I've been checking into hotel rooms, I can smell the weed in the
21:06hotel room where people have just decided, hey, it's illegal.
21:09I'm going to smoke weed in here.
21:11Used to see or smell cigarettes.
21:14I very rarely see anybody smelling, smoking cigarettes now.
21:19It doesn't smell like smoke in the same way.
21:21All right. Here's William Houston listening to us on KTRH.
21:26Fire away. Cut D. Hey, Clay and Buck.
21:28Listen to your show every day.
21:30You guys are totally out to lunch on cannabis.
21:32The fact that cannabis use is increasing and is more than alcohol.
21:36We played D, didn't we?
21:37Did I blow that? Okay.
21:38Here is Scott from Pensacola on the Epstein files and then I'll get back to
21:43some weed. My bad on that.
21:45I'm catching up. E. I don't think this is a Democrat or Republican.
21:48issue concerning epstein we just want justice there's a lot of people in those files
21:53that are named that have a lot of correspondence that suggest a lot of illegality
21:58i think what we are asking for is for pam bondi to step up and
22:02start asking questions and she's not doing a thing about it and that's the issue
22:07i'm gonna i'm gonna jump in here clay with something very very uh i think
22:11i'm gonna gonna lay out an important principle here in the movie training day with
22:19denzel washington and denzel washington thank you playing alonzo alonzo says it's not what you
22:26know it's what you can prove that is certainly true about the criminal justice system
22:31and it's certainly true about general thoughts or allegations contained in email not even allegations
22:38general thoughts and associations contained in emails so you may know or think you know
22:43something absent proof our criminal justice system does not have anything that it can do
22:49and so unless someone is aware of proof that exists beyond what we are seeing
22:53in these files there is nothing for the doj to do right now it's not
22:59what you know or think you know it's what you can prove and that's why
23:04i have said the women who are alleging that they are victims tell us who
23:08victimized you epstein is dead uh you've got jillian uh guffrey or whatever name is
23:15virginia what's the the jillain maxwell is already guffrey or get jillain maxwell is already
23:22in prison virginia guffrey is already has has passed she killed herself what are the
23:27people who are alive that have alleged that there are crimes who committed those crimes
23:32and go public with them i mean to me the victims are the story here
23:36who victimized them okay a bunch of talk back uh f uh this is sam
23:41in virginia listen i've got a 30 year old son who used to be kind
23:47we could talk to wasn't very angry um and now due to his canvas usage
23:53um he's got anxiety issues can't talk to him uh barely speaks to us and
24:01it's all all since his canvas usage that he started in college um okay on
24:08the flip side uh we have got uh sorry i'm trying to keep up with
24:12all the things rolling in anthony and san antonio g hey guys just wanted to
24:23let y 'all know you're so off base on this that it's not even funny
24:28people that drink alcohol and need more alcohol to continue getting their buzz that ends
24:35up meaning that you're going to be over the limit you're going to go out
24:37and drive you're going to kill somebody if you smoke more pot you don't go
24:41out and drive you fall asleep so uh good luck with the rest of your
24:46show i'm not going to even bother listening because y 'all are way off from
24:49this here's what i would say first of all um i i need this to
24:54stop oh sorry i i know you're but but i need this to stop being
24:57like but what about alcohol we're talking about weed i'm actually not talking about alcohol
25:00this is this is a cope that people have created here i'm not advocating for
25:04or against alcohol legalism i'm talking about marijuana right now alex was talking about marijuana
25:09right now i don't know why people keep go ahead uh you had an opinion
25:13i don't like i'm not even going to listen to your show anymore i mean
25:16the pot guy or gal it doesn't make it seem like you're open -minded if
25:21your response when the data does reflect that pot use has accelerated massively is that
25:27a good thing for society i think that's a very valid debate to have whatever
25:32you're what kind of mellow grateful dead listening tight shirt wearing hippie are you buddy
25:36you know we're all friends so bad uh dan arizona you're a daily pot user
25:42how long you've been using pot and how would you compare pot today in 2026
25:47to what it was when you began using it back in the past oh massively
25:54different i i would say daily on and off i've had periods where i've just
25:58stopped and taken it up again but by today's standards it's you know i'm not
26:04arguing whether it should be legal or not but it's way more potent and i
26:09definitely agree the the psychosis the it's definitely causing a lot of problems today that
26:16i don't think you saw even 10 years ago dan have you ever eaten a
26:22two or three pound bag of jelly beans in one sitting as a result of
26:25your marijuana smoking oh man not in a while but yeah back in the day
26:31i think because uh the amount i think there's different substances in it that can
26:37cause you know hunger cravings or whatnot not so much today but you know so
26:42i i used to use those those of the vape cartridges you guys were talking
26:46about and a friend pointed out they said dude have you seen how much thc
26:50is actually in those and i looked and it was like 92 percent yeah and
26:54i said wow well so so we talked about this in the context thank you
26:58so much dan for the astute observations and the uh intelligent call appreciate you um
27:03i would say by the way i'm also going to admit this before people call
27:06in i know people who are wildly financially successful who smoke weed all the time
27:10personally i know some so i understand that there are people that are able to
27:16do this and operate at a very high level and they don't have schizophrenia and
27:19okay fine we are talking about what is true or most true in the aggregate
27:23and what society should be encouraging right you know there there are some people who
27:29make it into like the very top ranks of professional sports and get to live
27:33in you know big mansions and marry supermodels it's not a good idea to tell
27:37most kids don't learn how to read you're going to become a professional athlete right
27:40you have to know what is true in the in in the main true for
27:44the most part when you're making these kinds of decisions about society and policy i
27:49was just gonna i think that's 100 true producer ali just sent i believe this
27:53was in the editorial and it also ties in with the call we just had
27:56in 1995 when the dea seized pot thc in the pot was about four percent
28:04that is the the hallucinogenic uh card aspect today it's 90 or more so you're
28:13talking about 20 times as potent pot today as back in the 1990s when many
28:20people were first starting to smoke pot i don't i don't know if we talk
28:23about this on the show or off air so sometimes i forget clay when we're
28:25having our off air versus you know on the air for everybody but i do
28:29remember in like early in college people would pull out the bacardi 151 and that
28:35was it was like hey guys we're at the shooting range and now somebody's bringing
28:40out a missile launcher it was like whoa the bacardi 151 now why was that
28:44such a thing because it was 151 proof right so it was a very very
28:49high absolutely like could take the paint off a car man i mean it's not
28:54something that's fun to drink but people kind of drink it as like almost like
28:57a party trick i'm drinking my bacardi 151 and there's some overproof rums and things
29:01out there where you do this but you know when you're talking about hard liquor
29:06and then you're talking about something that's 151 proof and and you're comparing that to
29:11beer which is like eight percent alcohol or something i think a lot of light
29:15beers like four and a half percent four and a half percent it's tiny yeah
29:18um you know i don't know what my favorite zima is but that's probably up
29:23there too um you know these are things these are the dosage makes the poison
29:27is a common phrase that you'll hear in medicine the dosage makes the poison it's
29:32absolutely true about the thc and marijuana situation right now absolutely true and people say
29:36oh we should just have the certain amount then well a lot of people are
29:39going to want the higher amount and then you're going to and you know you
29:42get into this how are you going to regulate that and who's going to be
29:44take doing these purity tests and it's it is a weed it is easy to
29:48grow i might even have known some people who have grown their own weed for
29:52example it's not that hard to do so clay you know i i i think
29:58that we've i think people have been sold a bill of goods on how this
30:01is for society how much this is going to benefit people how safe this is
30:04i don't think it's as safe as again i'm not saying anyone should be locked
30:08up for this stuff right now i'm just saying i don't think it's as safe
30:10as people have been told i think it's at a much higher social cost than
30:13people realize and i think we need to have a much more honest conversation based
30:17on the realities of legalization than we've had in the last decade i think a
30:21lot of parents and i'm a parent have been convinced that their kids smoking pot
30:26is not a big deal um and i think when you look at the levels
30:31of thc that modern marijuana has i think you need to be more concerned about
30:35it than you are uh dan and pennsylvania has got a story for us uh
30:39dan you've got a kid uh that got addicted to pot yeah exactly right um
30:45guys appreciate you taking the call my wife and i were 57 year old parents
30:49got a 28 year old son um my wife and i we both smoked a
30:53little weed back in the day and i think we both felt it wasn't any
30:56much different than alcohol our son started smoking as a senior in high school um
31:01he went to college and he's you know you talked to him now he'd say
31:05smoked it for anxiety and to help with depression but you don't realize it exacerbate
31:10those symptoms and he went into a slow downhill spiral um it took us a
31:15few years and some therapy to figure out where he was at uh he ended
31:20up in rehab i mean he's he's a full -blown addict um all the classic
31:25symptoms of addiction it controlled every aspect of his life it almost destroyed his life
31:30and our whole family fortunately um he's turned it around now he's doing very well
31:35but he'll tell you most of his friends are chronic who are chronic weed users
31:40they're addicted um it controls every aspect of their life too and it's just the
31:46problem i don't think anybody has any realization how bad this is all right thank
31:53you for the call look i am a you know moderation guy in general my
31:58perspective is the key to life in many respects is moderation you can't drink every
32:02day you can't smoke every day um and so uh that's my i gamble you
32:08know can't gamble all the time right there are certain people that have susceptibility to
32:14addiction and i think there is a danger in addiction to pot that did not
32:21exist in 1995 based on the the the significant quantities of thc that are in
32:29a product today if somebody was drinking eight ounces of alcohol that was four that
32:33was four percent sorry eight ounces of an alcoholic beverage that was four percent alcohol
32:37growing up and now they're drinking eight ounces of a beverage that is 90 pure
32:42alcohol that is A massive, massive difference that will manifest in the health and psychological
32:47effects of that drug. I don't know why anyone thinks the THC situation is different.
32:52That's the part of this that I really feel like there's real clarity on here,
32:58everyone. This is not your daddy and mommy's weed.
33:01This is a different situation now.
33:03And then we didn't even talk about this, how a lot of this stuff, too,
33:07sometimes gets laced with fentanyl and other things.
33:09That's scary. But now you're actually talking about straight up mortal health risk.
33:13Now, I understand that's like people being poisoned, but that does happen, too.
33:18So there's real concerns with this.
33:20All right. I'll be back here with all of you.
33:23We'll all be back with you in just a second, and I will continue to
33:25take the incoming on this one.
33:26Clay, we're in the bunker together.
33:29We'll blow the whistle when it's safe to go outside because we got incoming all
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35:14Some Almond Brothers. Am I getting that right?
35:18Is that right? For the pot smokers.
35:18Clay has no idea. What is?
35:20It's for the pot smokers out there, I presume.
35:22I thought, you know, I was like, maybe we can get them some, I don't
35:27know, is it Chunky Monkey ice cream?
35:28That was the big popular one from those Ben and Jerry's, right?
35:33Is that the, that's one of the, that's one of the well -known ones.
35:36There's some very good ones of the ice creams.
35:38Some people say the most delicious thing, ice cream.
35:41I think that would be my, if I did have the munchies, which I haven't
35:46smoked weed in, oh my gosh, going on 30 years now.
35:51So, if I, if I did get the munchies though, Clay, I think Reese's Pieces,
35:55just like at Halloween, that would be my weakness.
35:57I don't know what it is about those.
35:59I don't know what they put in them.
36:00The Reese's Pieces are like the perfect candy and you can just eat so many
36:04of them with a cold glass of milk.
36:05I'm, I'm giving myself munchies, just talking about it.
36:08What would be your... Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, top number one.
36:11Yeah, it's number one for you too.
36:12Yeah, it's peanut M &M's too.
36:15I mean, if you're also, if you're looking to put on some weight, let me
36:17tell you a couple things.
36:18Peanut M &M's, great. It's a fat and a sugar, high, high calorie, and they're
36:23delicious. You can eat tons of them.
36:24Also, if you just melt some ice cream down and kind of drink it like
36:28a slurry, you can put away 1 ,000 calories and 100 grams of sugar in
36:32no time. So, not that I'm recommending that.
36:35I'm just saying. For a movie role, if you want to put on weight, you
36:37could do that. There is, there's a lot of calls, a lot of things we
36:40have to get to. And I just, I don't usually do the celebrities pass away
36:45thing, but James Van Der Beek just passed away.
36:47Dawson of Dawson's Creek, who was apparently a really good dude, actually.
36:52You know, like outside of his movie roles.
36:54He was just like a good dude.
36:55So, it's very sad. Only 48 years old.
36:58Yeah. Six kids. Six kids.
37:02And for those of you who remember Varsity Blues, one of the all -time great
37:07football movies ever made. He was Johnny Moxon in that movie, which is still a
37:12great watch. And that's tough.
37:15Do you feel like that was kind of a Friday Night Lights ripoff in some
37:19way? Even though it was a good movie, I enjoyed it.
37:21Or no? It was before Friday Night Lights really took flight.
37:25No, I mean the book.
37:26The book was out. Maybe a little bit.
37:28I think it was more juvenile than Friday Night Lights.
37:31It's like Buzz Bissinger's Friday Night Lights book is actually a beautiful, you know, sort
37:37of reverie of high school football and its impact on Texas.
37:41This was just like a really fun teenage high school football movie mixed together.
37:46It was the beginning for many of us of that generation of celebrating Allie Larder's
37:50whole catalog. Whipped Cream Bikini, one of the great all -time scenes in sports movie
37:57history, I have to say.
37:58And now she's in Landman and evidently kills it there.
38:02All right. We will take a ton of your talkbacks and your emails tomorrow.
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