Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - SCOTUS Tea
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0:05Hour number two. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
0:08We continue to wait on news as to whether or not there will be any
0:13talks in Pakistan. The ceasefire deadline tomorrow evening.
0:19So far, no one has taken off yet.
0:22And we will see whether there are, in fact, any meetings in Pakistan or not.
0:30We are joined now by the editor -in -chief of The Federalist, Great Sight, run
0:36by my friend Sean Davis here out of the great state of Tennessee.
0:40Molly Hemingway joins us now, and her book is called Alito, The Justice Who Reshaped
0:45the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution.
0:47I actually can't wait to read this because, as we were talking about earlier, I
0:51really loved your book on Kavanaugh and Rigged.
0:54You have written some outstanding works.
0:57If I remember correctly, as I was saying earlier, you also have a fantastic mother
1:01who is a listener of this radio program.
1:04So congratulations to her on the publication of your new book.
1:09And let's dive in, Molly, right off the top, because I know moms are very
1:13excited when their daughters and sons publish books.
1:16Let's dive right in off the top.
1:19Lots of discussion, including on this program of late, about whether Justice Alito might be
1:25stepping down, you've done more research on Justice Alito than anyone.
1:29What do you think is going to happen?
1:31How many more years do you think he has?
1:33What is not only the past, but the prologue, what is the prologue and the
1:37future look like for Justice Alito?
1:41Well, I agree with the reporting that came out a couple days ago that he
1:45is not going to be stepping down this term.
1:47That matches my understanding as well.
1:49I thought it interesting that Thomas's chambers also reportedly, you know, they said he's not
1:55stepping down either. I do think that people should be open to the possibility that
1:59there still will be a retirement at the end of this term.
2:04I'm not saying there will be, but I think there's a chance.
2:07There are three Republican appointed justices in their 70s.
2:11They've all served, you know, quite some time, at least 20 years.
2:14And so I would not be completely shocked if there were one.
2:18But as for Alito himself, I think one of his big goals as a judge
2:23has been to protect religious liberty.
2:25Even before he got on the Supreme Court, he cared about one bad Supreme Court
2:29decision in particular, which was Employment Division v.
2:33Smith. They almost overturned it a couple of years ago, but Barrett and Kavanaugh weren't
2:38quite ready to. But they're taking another bite at that apple this next term.
2:43And so I think maybe when that is done, he'll feel more comfortable about seeing
2:48his work as having reached a point where he can be satisfied.
2:51But he also could serve for another, you know, 10, 15 years for all we
2:54know. OK, you just dropped a little nugget there that I want to come back
2:57to. Thomas and Alito have both said there have been reports that they're not stepping
3:02down. John Roberts is also over 70.
3:05Do you think John Roberts might be interested in stepping down?
3:09I just I can't, you know, it's pure speculation, which is not the most healthy
3:15thing when you're talking about the court.
3:17But people always talk about Thomas and Alito and they just leave out the guy
3:21who's been serving for the second longest time, which is Roberts.
3:25And he has had a lengthy, you know, very full career.
3:29He's also probably mildly frustrated that some of his big goals on the court, which
3:34included collegiality and comedy in the court speaking with one voice, it seems that some
3:40of the justices and you've seen some reports about this in the last week or
3:44so, you know, they're just flagrantly violating those norms.
3:48And he's probably, you know, he could be frustrated by that.
3:51And so who knows? I just think it would it's something worth considering if we're
3:56in the speculating business. Hey, Molly, it's Buck.
4:00And congrats on the book among many great books.
4:03I'm looking on my shelf right now at other Molly Hemingway magnum opuses, including Rigged
4:10and, of course, Justice on Trial.
4:12And Clay, I had to actually call Molly during the Kavanaugh character assassination fiasco just
4:19so she could talk me off the ledge like it was going to be OK.
4:22I was like to tell me they're not actually going to be able to do
4:25this to this guy. And it was a close one, but she she kept the
4:29faith. And certainly Kavanaugh finally got through.
4:32OK, Molly, to that end, on the dirtiness sometimes within the Supreme Court, we wish
4:38it weren't so. But there is dirtiness in the Supreme Court.
4:41Tell everybody about the timing of Dobbs, which was the decision that overturned Roe v.
4:47Wade. Walk us through what you found on this and what the timeline tells us
4:53about the three libs on the court and their lack of urgency, shall we say,
4:58to actually have that decision come forward.
5:02So for Alito, I interviewed close to 100 people, many of them federal judges, many
5:08of them Supreme Court justices.
5:09And I got a lot of interesting stories and information out of it.
5:12But far and away, the most interesting, explosive thing I learned was that after the
5:18Dobbs leak, when the lives of each of the Dobbs justices was under threat, assassination.
5:25threat, security threats. People were wearing bulletproof vests.
5:29They were being moved to secure locations.
5:30Their children were being targeted.
5:33The three liberals who co -authored the dissent in Dobbs, which would be Breyer, Kagan,
5:39and Sotomayor, basically conspired to slow walk and delay their dissent to the very last
5:45minute, even though they knew their colleagues weren't just dealing with these threats, but had
5:51asked them to please hurry.
5:52And even by the time of the leak, which came months after the majority had
5:57distributed their opinion, they should have had it done by then.
6:01They didn't. They were asked to speed it up and they declined.
6:05And to the extent that the one justice who was open to speeding things up,
6:10who was Justice Breyer, was screamed at, according to my sources, by Elena Kagan, who
6:16said, do not speed up for them.
6:18And they didn't get it done until June.
6:21And then when they filed their dissent, it still couldn't come out for another three
6:26plus weeks because they included a completely unnecessary and gratuitous reference to a case that
6:32was still being worked on.
6:33And so the final Dobbs decision didn't come out until June 23rd.
6:39And this was nearly two months of people dealing with unending security and death threats.
6:45And during that time, I'll point out Kavanaugh himself and his children and his wife,
6:50you know, faced an assassin outside their home.
6:54We talked about it on the program at the time.
6:56I found it to be despicable.
6:59And we've continued to bring this up every now and then when we have guests
7:02like you, did your reporting, did you uncover any possible idea who the leaker was
7:08in Dobbs? Do you think inside of the Supreme Court there's any suggestion or idea
7:14of who this might be?
7:15Because we just got another leak that was super anti the so -called conservative side
7:21of the court, which suggests this isn't over having to do with emergency dockets and
7:26whatnot. Do you think they have any decent idea who did this?
7:30What is the vibe inside of the White House, inside of the Supreme Court?
7:34You mentioned the lack of collegiality, Justice Roberts frustration.
7:37That to me is still a huge story that it's just like everybody pretends never
7:41happened. It was huge. And even though nobody suspected any of the justices of being
7:48directly involved in the leak, it did hamper the situation given how those justices handled
7:54the aftermath of the leak.
7:56But one of the things I really get into in the book is everything about
8:00the Dobbs leak, the Dobbs leak investigation, what went right, which was basically nothing, what
8:07went wrong, which was a ton of stuff, and just exploring.
8:10Yes, it's a difficult thing to investigate, but they just did a horrible job of
8:15it. Chief Justice John Roberts, you know, set the marshal on the task immediately, but
8:20it took weeks before they really began investigating anything.
8:24They didn't even understand all the different places that people can have copies of that
8:29draft opinion, including in their homes.
8:32They didn't ask questions of the clerks that would in any way get to the
8:36heart of the answer. So for instance, they would say, did you leak the document?
8:41And everybody said no. Well, imagine, if you will, that one of the clerks takes
8:47the decision or the draft opinion home and someone else in the house leaks it.
8:52That clerk could say, I didn't leak it, even if there were kind of a
8:57bigger plot to get that decision to the reporters in question.
9:01They should have asked real questions like, do you know this reporter?
9:07Do you know this other reporter who were involved with the leak?
9:09Do you know any editors at Politico?
9:10Have you ever interacted with Politico?
9:12Tell us about the times that you did.
9:14You know, they could have run it like they actually wanted to find out who
9:18did it. Now, having said all that, I do think that a lot of the
9:21people inside the court definitely have their theory about who leaked it.
9:26But until that person admits it himself or herself, it will be difficult to know
9:32for sure. Let me ask you this, Molly, without putting you on too much of
9:37the hot seat, although we do enjoy putting people on the hot seat somewhat here.
9:41Your new book is Alito, the Justice Who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the
9:46Constitution. Uh, I am going to buy a copy today, uh, cause I believe in
9:50buying books from authors who write great books.
9:53So I'm doing that. Clay's doing that.
9:55And I hope a lot of people listening will do that too, because your previous
9:58works have proven that your books are worth reading, worth buying and worth supporting.
10:03Um, that all said, do you have in your mind a certainty that it was
10:10a clerk and not a Supreme court justice involved in getting that decision released early
10:18in the way that we all saw the leak essentially?
10:20Are you, to you, is it a hundred percent that it was not actually a
10:24justice and that it had to be a clerk or do you leave open that
10:27it could have been a justice?
10:28I have not encountered a single knowledgeable person who thinks it's any of the justices
10:35now, meaning particularly directly. I do think that the universe is larger than just clerks.
10:42I do think it was likely it was a clerk, but there are permanent staff
10:45members also at the court.
10:47And, you know, some people do think that maybe one of them did.
10:51I don't for a variety of reasons, including that.
10:53The original political article was speaking with their source, and their source had information about
10:59how the deliberations had gone and how the decision had gone in a way that
11:03a clerk would have access to.
11:05So I think that's likely.
11:06And it's not to say that the most recent leak might not have a current
11:13or former justice at the heart of it.
11:15It very well might. But as far as the Dobbs decision itself, I don't believe
11:21they were directly involved. And I also think it's hard to have more than one
11:25person involved, frankly, for that kind of leak.
11:27We're talking to Molly Hemingway, great book out, Alito, that both Buck and I can't
11:31wait to read. Molly, a lot of discussion about the upcoming decisions that are still
11:38waiting from the Supreme Court.
11:40Birthright citizenship and expectation. I'm curious if you would share it as well from me,
11:46at least, that Alito may well be writing the racial gerrymandering case that we are
11:51waiting on. Where do you see this term going based on what your research has
11:57shown you? I know this is looking forward.
12:00And what do you think are Justice Alito's top focus points from a larger judicial
12:06philosophy, assuming that he's going to stay on the court?
12:10What do you think he's looking at and interested in addressing going forward?
12:14So, first off, on that racial gerrymandering situation case, it is widely understood that Alito
12:20is writing the majority opinion there just because he hasn't yet written something from the
12:25October setting of the court.
12:27And so that would be the obvious thing.
12:30Now, why has it not come out yet?
12:31This relates to what I just said about what happened after the Dobbs leak.
12:36The liberal justices slow walked their dissent to achieve political outcomes, either literally getting one
12:44of their colleagues killed or just persuading one of their colleagues to move away from
12:48from their decision. That was clearly what they were doing by slow walking.
12:52Well, there was reporting last week that they're slow walking the racial gerrymandering case.
12:56And the reason why would be probably related to the fact that if Alito is
13:01writing that decision, it's going to come down in a way that affects the midterm
13:06elections and that the liberal justices don't like that it's going to hurt the Democrat
13:11Party. And so if this is becoming a pattern, they're losing cases, they're throwing tantrums,
13:17they're yelling at their colleagues publicly, which has never like usually you just keep that
13:21to your opinions and your dissents and your concurrences, whatever mean things you want to
13:25say. But they're doing it publicly to undermine the integrity of the court, their slow
13:29walking decisions. This is not good.
13:32Now, as for what Alito's like legacy and what he's thinking going forward, I think
13:38it's really interesting to compare, you know, he and Justice Thomas are frequently on the
13:42same side of things. They're very consistent in their jurisprudence.
13:46Thomas is more of a libertarian originalist, and Alito is more of a conservative originalist.
13:53And I think going forward, one of the big lessons that Alito has to teach
13:57people is that you can be deeply principled and also incredibly effective.
14:03Right now, the right has these extremes where like on the one side, they're like,
14:08I hear my principles and I don't care what happens in terms of getting them
14:11to a point where they actually help people.
14:13And then you also have people who say, who cares about principles?
14:15We just have to win.
14:17Alito is a model, not just for attorneys and judges, but really for the entire
14:22country in in how you can blend principle and pragmatism to make sure that the
14:29country benefits from those principles.
14:31I could talk to you all day about the interior.
14:34We've got a quick got a quick turn here, but I want to ask you
14:37this. You talk to a ton of people.
14:38What's the vibe on Ketanji Brown Jackson?
14:41Is she super unpopular with everyone on the court, regardless of their politics, based on
14:46what you saw? It feels that way.
14:48Sometimes reading the opinions. It's clear from reading the opinions that they don't have a
14:53lot of respect for her jurisprudence.
14:55She doesn't really try to tie things, not just the constitutional law, but the law
15:00itself. One highly placed person at the court had told me she makes Sonia Sotomayor
15:06look like a philosopher king.
15:08So that might tell you a little bit about how she's viewed.
15:12Yep. Sounds about right. Molly Hemingway, everybody.
15:15Go get her book, Alito, the justice who reshaped the Supreme Court and restored the
15:19Constitution. Molly, congrats on the success of it so far.
15:22And you're going to get a lot more book sales coming in today.
15:24We can assure you of that.
15:26Thank you so much, guys.
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16:22Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
16:24We got Michelle Tafoya coming up here in a second.
16:27So we just are racking and stacking this hour with big guests, phenomenal guests.
16:32Some people are saying the best guests of all guests.
16:35And we will be talking to them about all of the things going on.
16:38We're also going to be jumping into some more of your talkbacks and your thoughts.
16:42Guys, do we have the Red Lobster announcement?
16:47Do we have that yesterday?
16:48I don't know if they rolled it over.
16:50Do we have it? Oh, I'm sorry.
16:50Can we roll that over?
16:52Because we've got... Which one is it?
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17:22So this is a perfect time for me to jump in and tell everybody.
17:25So not only is Endless Shrimp back, but the single biggest backer of Red Lobster
17:29that I've ever met is our friend Jesse Kelly.
17:32And I owe him, because Buck Island, a little side bet for Buck Island with
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17:40And I don't welch on bets.
17:41I don't abandon my bets.
17:43So I've got to take Jesse Kelly.
17:45I've got to find a way to get him, Clay, to Endless Shrimp.
17:47It all comes together. I want to go, too, by the way, to Endless Shrimp.
17:53I also want to just see what the crowd is like at the random Red
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18:57Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
19:00We now head up to the state of Minnesota to talk with our friend Michelle
19:05Tafoya. It's NFL Draft Week.
19:07You're running for the Senate.
19:09Does any part of you miss just saying who you think is going to get
19:14drafted by whom and how the draft is going to go?
19:18Or are you, you know, because sometimes when the actual events happen, you'll hear athletes
19:23say, I don't miss practice or I don't miss all of the work that goes
19:27in, but the actual event itself I miss.
19:30Does any part of you miss the actual games or the actual events?
19:35You know, sometimes. I will tell you, I don't miss any cold weather games.
19:39I do not. I don't care how good the game is.
19:42That is the most uncomfortable four, five, six hours of your life.
19:46I don't care if you call me a wuss.
19:48I just don't care. You know what?
19:51I miss the people, some of my friends, Al, Chris, you know, Fred and Drew,
19:56the producer and director. But I am so into what I'm doing now.
20:00Although I will say it's a lot easier to say, you know what, I think
20:03Fernando Mendoza is going to go with the number one overall pick.
20:06Yes. You don't get nearly as much pushback on a take like that as you
20:10do in some of the takes that I say these days.
20:15Well, how is it going in the land of politics for you?
20:18Give us an update. What's it looking like?
20:20Well, the update is actually very good.
20:22You know, we got in the race January 21st, so not right at the beginning
20:26of the year. And still in the first quarter, we raised $2 .2 million, which
20:31is a record for a Republican senatorial campaign in the first quarter.
20:35We beat out all of our Republican candidates combined that they've raised in the last
20:42year. And we even beat out Peggy Flanagan, the lieutenant governor who's running on the
20:46Democrat side. So our fundraising tells me people are excited about this.
20:52They want to be involved.
20:53You know, we went out and really, guys, we earned every cent of that.
20:58And it's thrilling for me to see people contribute $5 because it tells me that
21:04it's what they have to give and they are invested.
21:08And I love that. Or people that come up to me at fundraisers or meet
21:11and greets and they hand me a $10 bill.
21:13I love that because it just shows they want to be in it.
21:17They may not have a ton of money, but they want to be in it.
21:20And those are the people I can't wait to represent.
21:23So it's going very well.
21:26What is, as you travel the state of Minnesota, what is the top storyline that
21:32you are picking up on?
21:34And I know there's a divide somewhat between more red voters in the northern parts
21:40and obviously Minneapolis, which might characterize things differently.
21:43But as you travel, what would you say is a unifying conversation that you're having?
21:48with people. What does it feel like out around the state of Minnesota?
21:53People are still furious about the fraud, and it's not only because we were all
22:00stolen from, and quite frankly, a lot of this was federal money, so you were
22:04stolen from too in this fraud, but they're angry that Tim Walls and Peggy Flanagan
22:10and A .G. Keith Ellison have not been held accountable to the extent that people
22:15would like. They're very curious about Ilhan Omar, and her changing financial story.
22:21The accountability thing is big here in Minnesota.
22:25People want to know that if someone does something wrong in government, that they're going
22:31to pay a price for it, whatever that price is.
22:35And you can say, oh, well, Tim Walls, he's no longer running for that third
22:38term. He's paying his price.
22:39Well, no, he's actually not, and he started a new PAC, I don't know if
22:43you guys heard, called the Small Town PAC.
22:45He's continuing to pretend that he's a small town guy, even though every small town
22:50in Minnesota despises him and his policies.
22:54He just announced this PAC yesterday.
22:56So people are furious, and they're embarrassed, too.
23:00They're really embarrassed. They're like, you know, when we go out of town, when we
23:04travel, we don't want to say where we're from.
23:06And it's hard to blame them.
23:10I was just going to say, I think this is important.
23:13You've got four Democrat -held seats, New Hampshire, Michigan, Minnesota, Georgia.
23:20And I'm not ranking those in any order, but just off the top right there.
23:23If you win, Michelle, there is a 0 % chance, basically, that there would be
23:29a Democrat -controlled Senate. Do you feel people talking about that in your state that
23:35you have the opportunity to swing a blue state seat back to a red state?
23:40Or do you think it's hyper -local?
23:42How much of this race that you're seeing is nationalized versus how much is Minnesota
23:48-specific? I would say here in April, it's Minnesota -specific.
23:53And I do try to remind people we cannot allow both of our seats to
24:00be held by Democrats. And as you know, Amy Klobuchar is running for governor.
24:05Should she win the governorship here in Minnesota, she would assign her seat to someone
24:09that she likes. That's obviously going to be a Democrat.
24:12So we really continue to push the importance of winning this seat and having some
24:17representation. But I think at this moment in time, you know, people want to know
24:23how we're going to help Minnesota.
24:25And so I'm constantly driving those points home.
24:27And we've got a lot of ways we can do it from the federal government.
24:30And I don't want people to lose sight of that.
24:33It's really, really important. And I'm sure that we'll get here, end of May, as
24:38we head into the summertime, it'll become a lot more of a national story.
24:42But it is interesting, too, just talking to people who do have that macro perspective.
24:50They want to do this.
24:52And I can't think of a better time in Minnesota to flip a seat.
24:57Minnesotans want change. They're angry.
24:59We've got an open seat.
25:00And here you've got a Republican, finally, who can fundraise and do this.
25:06And again, the fundraising, I think, exemplifies how excited people are.
25:12And they are there behind me.
25:15How much does the women's sports issue, given your background, and also, I think there's,
25:21Michelle, there's an awakening among people on the right after the 2024 election and Trump's
25:26big win and the Republican Party really on that Trump wave.
25:30Democrats have not changed on this issue.
25:33They have not budged on this issue.
25:34They have not become more reasonable or rational or science based.
25:38And given your background as a sports commentator, as well as a woman and a
25:44mom and all these things, is this is this a place where people are saying
25:49to you, you know, we still have to stand strong on this issue?
25:52Or is it just really pushed to the side because of cost of living, fraud
25:57and accountability, some of these other important issues?
26:00No, it has not been pushed aside.
26:02We had one of the best examples here in Minnesota of the unfairness of this
26:07when the girls softball championship last year was won by a team whose most dominant
26:12and most active pitcher was a biological boy.
26:16And, you know, parents around Minnesota, they're not having it.
26:20They have not forgotten. They are still very much in the camp that this is
26:25totally unfair, unsafe, undesirable. They don't want their girls spaces shared with boys.
26:30Look, and we just had our legislatures in session and every Democrat in the Minnesota
26:37House and Senate voted against splitting these saying the boys can't compete in girls sports.
26:42They all voted against it.
26:45It's astonishing to me. And I run into parents and grandparents who say, I can't
26:51believe we're still talking about this.
26:54This is insanity. And as you both know, it is insanity.
26:59It still exists. Yeah, I don't know what it's going to take, but it's certainly
27:05at the top of my agenda.
27:06We're talking to Michelle Tafoya.
27:08We didn't talk about it much on the program, but Tim Walls, current governor of
27:12Minnesota, went overseas and ripped.
27:15Uh -huh. the uh united states positions on many different issues traditionally there has been
27:22the idea that you might say negative things when you're here in the country but
27:27you typically don't go overseas and rip uh the the uh the country what were
27:33your thoughts on that and what is tim walls's perspective now i mean the guy
27:37was almost vice president of the united states 240 000 votes away and now it
27:43seems like the the the proverbial uh you know chickens are coming home to roost
27:48here and that there's a total collapse of his support are you feeling that as
27:52you travel around i do i and and when he announced his new pack small
27:58town pack uh on the heels of this going abroad and ripping our country and
28:05then he comes home and he announces he's got this new super pack or pack
28:08called the small town pack and people all over the state are saying hey tim
28:12small towns don't like you small towns don't agree with you small towns uh embrace
28:18conservative values small towns despise what you've done to minnesota get rid of the name
28:23small town pack you do not represent us so you know it's really not enough
28:28for people right now that he's still in office um so yeah this is he
28:33just continues to show earlier today i was having a conversation with someone we've got
28:37now under tim walls he he proposed he had this this board of educators or
28:42education advisors and they got put into the school curriculum an ethnic studies program which
28:49sounds fine enough right no it's not i i charge you guys i'd encourage you
28:55to go read it and basically one of the guys who advised him said you
29:00know the critical race theory thing is not just to talk about race it's to
29:04dismantle the united states as it is and it is astonishing what's in this curriculum
29:11and that's why it's so important that we continue to get people in office statewide
29:16and federally who are going to say no way enough of this in public schools
29:20our 50 of our kids guys can't read at grade level 50 of our kids
29:25in minnesota can't do math at grade level education public education used to be one
29:30of the the bragging uh points of minnesota it used to be something that we
29:35were top three in in the united states and now we're way down in the
29:39bottom 10 and it's because we're spending too much time talking about stuff that kids
29:44it doesn't benefit kids it separates them it makes them angry it makes them depressed
29:51it makes them it puts them into camps oppressed versus oppressor and and this is
29:55what this curriculum is teaching i'm not lying about it go take a look it's
30:00disgusting you might throw up while you're reading it uh but it's important to know
30:05that that's there and i hope and pray that this minnesota state legislature changes enough
30:11to get rid of this thing one last question for you i don't know if
30:15you've been asked about this but this is in one of many things that's directly
30:19in your wheelhouse mike vrabel who's the head coach of the uh new england patriots
30:24just had a press conference and acknowledged difficult conversations with his family uh for people
30:30out there who don't know uh this has been a huge story i think it's
30:34cut across uh beyond sports as well diana russini who is a reporter for the
30:39athletic which is owned by the new york times uh and mike vrabel were photographed
30:44at a pool at an adult resort um and initially she kept her job then
30:49she resigned now he said he's had difficult conversations you as a woman who covered
30:54a lot of men um in the nfl for decades what was your reaction when
30:59you saw that as someone who has been a reporter for like i said decades
31:03in the nfl yeah well you know what i when i first saw the photos
31:07i was like uh that's not the way that i would have done the job
31:11um look i went to nfl owners meetings you're at resorts you're at these kinds
31:15of occasions uh i wouldn't be caught dead in a swimsuit near a coach or
31:21an owner or g you know a gm anyone now that's just me i tried
31:26to cut her some slack and and and we still don't know all the details
31:29except that she did decide to resign and mike vrabel did finally make a statement
31:33look when you're a journalist integrity matters objectivity matters and you can have great relationships
31:41with a coach or a player or an owner whatever but this one seemed to
31:46be just a little bit uh crossing the line and again um i think her
31:52resigning was probably the best thing for her i think ultimately she may land on
31:56her feet uh there were people who were screaming for mike vrabel to say something
32:02really that the the breakdown here is in the journalistic integrity um if you are
32:08a reporter covering anything whether it's politics or sports or business you've got to manage
32:14those relationships and it just um you can't help but wonder where that relationship was
32:20going and what it might have done to her reporting so that that's where the
32:25line gets crossed so i would have been very uncomfortable in that scenario again i'm
32:29trying really hard not to be judgy and not to be um not to jump
32:34to conclusions but given both of their statements it seems like there was this was
32:39a difficult conversation and vrabel's going to have to deal with it in his world
32:42as diane you And I'll see you next time.
32:44is in hers. Let me give you 30 seconds here.
32:47A lot of people out there have daughters probably listening to us right now who
32:51dream of having a job like you had, who dream of having a job like
32:55Aaron Andrews has, sideline reporter involved in sports.
32:59What advice would you give them?
33:02Be willing to work extremely hard.
33:06Outwork everyone. I don't care if they're male, female.
33:09I don't care if they're tall or short.
33:10Be willing to outwork everybody.
33:13Take whatever assignments as you're starting out that come your way.
33:16Do them with a smile.
33:17Be a happy warrior. Work ethic to me is the number one thing in any
33:23job, and it certainly helped me.
33:24I know it was the difference maker for me.
33:27And being a team player, it's not about you.
33:30It's about what you're covering.
33:31It's about the story you're covering it.
33:33Cover it well. Work hard.
33:35Be easy and good to work with.
33:37And make sure that when you say something's off the record, it's off the record.
33:42Have integrity with the people that you're covering.
33:44And speaking of that, you guys have reach.
33:47I know you know your reach, but I was talking to a delegate here from
33:51Scott County, Clay. Lori said, you know what?
33:55If she's good enough for Clay and Buck, she's good enough for me.
33:58They love you here in Minnesota.
34:01We're on your team, Michelle.
34:02You know that. We're going to have you on a lot during the campaign.
34:05Keep grinding. Keep fighting as hard as you can.
34:08And we've got your back.
34:10Thank you so much. Great to see you.
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35:16Coming up here in a second, Kamala Harris in the news.
35:20So I'll take my lumps on this one.
35:22All right. I'll take I'll get a little preview of what is to come here
35:26because she's definitely making noise because she wants to make a whole lot more more
35:31noise about running, I think.
35:33And so we'll see. I'm not holding.
35:35I give it a tight right now, Clay.
35:37I would take 10 to one odds on this one, meaning I or, you know,
35:42one to 10, whatever. I never get this right.
35:44You know what I'm saying?
35:45It's highly likely now that she runs.
35:47It's 10 to one that she it's not.
35:49It's not a done deal.
35:50But yeah, no, I think you'd have to give someone 10 to one that she
35:53would that she's going to run.
35:54Yeah, no, no. One to 10 that she's going 10 to one that she wouldn't.
35:59Whatever betting man. Yes, that one, the one where it's very unlikely that she would
36:03not run. You get $10 for one if she didn't run.
36:07So that makes it highly likely that she would or one to 10 if she
36:11does. Yes. Yes. So so that's where this is going.
36:15But we're also getting a preview, I think, of what some of her some of
36:19her pitch, some of her tone will be as a candidate, which we shall have
36:24a discussion about, to be sure.
36:27And we will get we will get into that.
36:30Kamala Harris, her her advice and her thoughts going forward and maybe a little more
36:36on Kami Momdani as well.
36:40So we have a stacked third hour coming away.
36:43It is going to be fantastic.
36:45And we are looking forward to it.
36:47So stick around. Outstanding, as always, plus an update on J .D.
36:52Vance to Pakistan. Is it happening or not?