Buck Brief - Should America Have 100 Times More Capital Punishment?
3/27/202616 mincomplete
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0:13your podcasts. Welcome to Buck Brief.
0:15Jeremy Carl with us now.
0:16He is fearless. He is brilliant.
0:18And he has been through the ringer recently.
0:21So we're going to talk to him about some news of the day, some of
0:23these big crime stories and the stat that has gotten a lot of attention.
0:26For example, 356 people in New York City who were involved in shootings in 2025
0:32were black. Two of them were white.
0:35That's a pretty big disparity for a city of 8 .5 million people.
0:38I think we should talk about criminal justice policy a bit.
0:40But before we get there, our friend Jeremy Carl, author of The Unprotected Class, sir,
0:46you just got put through it a bit.
0:49Why didn't you tell everybody you were up for a job for the State Department
0:52and the long knives came out from some senators?
0:56What happened? Yeah, no, thanks.
0:59I was. I was up for the president nominated me for an assistant secretary of
1:02state position. And that's required Senate confirmation and went up before the Senate.
1:09And the Democrats, having read all of my writings and all of my tweets and
1:14listened to every single podcast I've been on, and I don't mean that with any
1:17exaggeration, had a list of all the horrible things that I had said, which they
1:22yelled at me about. And they convinced at least one squishy Republican to perhaps be
1:27nervous about me as well.
1:28So I wasn't going to get confirmed, unfortunately.
1:30So I had to withdraw.
1:32But it was a really interesting experience to go through.
1:34Who was the Republican squish?
1:37John Curtis, former chair of the Utah County Democratic Party.
1:42I've been making some news for other areas in which he has perhaps not been
1:46such a stalwart ally of our party recently.
1:49But I'm going to try to take the high road.
1:51I don't want to dwell on, you know, any one person in particular.
1:54But we've just, you know, we've got some challenges to the party we've got to
1:57address. I'm going to tell you something, because I can do whatever.
2:00You know, I get to be a bomb thrower, my friend.
2:02I can do whatever, right?
2:03So I'm going to talk radio.
2:05In fact, if anything, I'm probably too nice.
2:08Utah produces some of the worst Republicans of any state in the country.
2:11It's not just this senator being squishy.
2:13I don't know what it is.
2:15I love the people of Utah.
2:16I go to Salt Lake City, or particularly I get outside of Salt Lake City
2:20a little bit, but even in Salt Lake, and I have all the Utahns who
2:23listen to the show, who I love.
2:25I'm totally aligned. I did a big event in Utah about 18 months ago, like
2:29800 people there. They're awesome.
2:31And at that event, by the way, I was like, what is it with you
2:34guys having a squishy governor?
2:36Now they've got this squishy senator.
2:38I'm like, it's Utah. This is like, how do we get these weak Republicans in
2:43super red states? Yeah, it's fascinating.
2:48And the only way that we got Mike Lee, who is actually very good overall,
2:51in my opinion, is that there was some stuff that activists did at the party
2:56convention to kind of stop the very squishy senator who he replaced.
3:00But if it had just been up to kind of the media and Utah voter,
3:04we might have had a little bit of a difficult time.
3:06So it's a challenge. You know, it's supposed to be a conservative state, but the
3:10politicians there are often not very conservative.
3:12What can I ask you?
3:13I mean, I'm going to.
3:14So I guess, can I ask you as a worthless preamble?
3:16But but yeah, I'm about to.
3:18What was the thing they thought you said that was the worst thing?
3:22Oh, gosh. I mean, they literally had poster boards of my greatest hits that they
3:26put up. I'm not kidding.
3:27And I love your stuff.
3:29So I'm wondering what I'm going to get canceled for.
3:31I'm like, I'm a I'm a I'm a Jeremy Carl fan.
3:33What am I going to get in trouble for?
3:34Go ahead. Well, you know, it's sort of funny.
3:37And I think, you know, my nominations team, which is so buttoned up, was kind
3:39of appalled because afterwards I wanted to see whether I could get the poster boards
3:43to, you know, take cake as souvenirs for my wall because I was like, yeah,
3:47these are some pretty juicy ones.
3:49But, you know, look, I mean, since I would totally stand behind and a couple
3:54of them were like, you know, because you're talking all the time, not everything you
3:57say is the perfect thing that you'd love blown up in 92 point type sitting
4:02in front of the Senate.
4:04But yeah, you know, just things related to race, things related to they hit me
4:09on feminism, other stuff. So there was just a there was a parade of horribles.
4:14I was the proverbial basket of deplorables all wrapped up in one one person.
4:19And that's just how it was.
4:20I think we're at this phase where we just have to keep pushing and keep
4:24fighting and stay on offense as much as possible.
4:26For example, you know, I'm here in the great state of Florida, which I will
4:31say, I think, you know, OK, I know a little bit about Montana politics.
4:35Not not that much, but enough to know you're one of these states.
4:37Correct me if I'm if I'm off here, has it's it's red, but it has
4:42this huge swath of independence.
4:45So it's a little bit funkier and actually a little more Democrat leaning in some
4:51ways than a lot of people would think.
4:53It's not a it's not like a bright red state.
4:56It's got this whole independent streak, like like everyone's an extra on a Taylor Sheridan
5:01show. Yeah, that might be a good way of putting it.
5:04I think if you look at the people who are moving here, there's no question
5:07we have the numbers that it's clearly trending to a more deep red.
5:11But I think a lot of our politicians, unfortunately, in Montana still have not gotten
5:15the memo. And a lot of them are still probably a little bit more aligned
5:20with the Democrats than they really should be given our voter base.
5:24So, I mean, if you look.
5:24Since 1948, Montana has supported the Democrat, I think, you know, maybe once Bill Clinton
5:30won a three -way split with Perot, where he took like 36 percent, but he
5:34took the state. So it's it is a pretty Republican state, but there is a
5:38lot of a lot of Republicans who are independent in perhaps not the best ways
5:44to be independent. Yeah. All right.
5:47Let's. So one thing I want to mention for when before we get into the
5:50crime talk, because I want to get you into some trouble, because, you know, how
5:53bad could it be compared to the Senate stuff?
5:54We're talking about a walk in the park.
5:57It'd be a cakewalk compared to that.
5:59The the rule that I forget what it's called, if Clay was here, he would
6:03be shouting it because he knows sports stuff.
6:05But there's a rule that you have to you have to interview in the NFL
6:08minor like I think I don't know how many at least one, I guess.
6:13But you have to interview a minority coach before you hire a coach.
6:18And I believe the Florida attorney general is challenging that in the state of Florida.
6:21And I sit here and I go, yeah, because that rule is flatly unconstitutional.
6:26Everybody did this is we need a whole reset of the thinking of institutions, including
6:31the NFL. If they're in America, the Constitution applies.
6:34You can't have these racial quotas, racial set asides, racial laws anymore.
6:38It's illegal. Yeah, no, absolutely.
6:42And my friend, Harmy Dillon, who's running up DOJ's civil rights division, has kind of
6:46just been doing that right.
6:48The illegal stuff has been going on for so long in plain sight that people
6:52weren't even challenging it. And now people like the Florida AG, I did see this
6:56story today that you just mentioned, are coming up and saying, hey, wait, actually, you
7:00know, this type of racial profiling, politicking, whatever you want to call it, is in
7:05fact against the law. And it's one of the reasons why I've actually been a
7:08little bit hesitant, as has Harmeet, about people saying, oh, well, we just need to
7:12get rid of all civil rights laws.
7:13I mean, we do need to do some very fundamental reforms of certain civil rights
7:16laws. But there's also times where we just need to enforce the laws on the
7:20books to say, yeah, that actually means you can't discriminate against white people as well.
7:25And that's what we've kind of got here.
7:26This is one of my big things on immigration is people keep saying, I said,
7:31before you're allowed to say Congress needs to pass a law to address, I insist
7:35that everybody look at what the laws actually are, because things like repeat entry after
7:42a deportation, it's a felony punishable for the 10 years in federal prison.
7:46Like, if you get deported and you come back, that's already a felony, but they
7:50never enforce it. They will not do this.
7:52You know, this is the same thing with civil rights laws that are in the
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8:44Jeremy, we're at this point now.
8:46I could pick any number of stories.
8:47The guy in Seattle who murdered a woman, they say he's crazy, and now he
8:54gets sent to a psychiatric facility where he could theoretically be released at any time.
8:58They decide that this guy's fine.
9:00They can let him out.
9:01And people say, oh, that won't happen.
9:02Really? Really? We'll see about that.
9:06The story of the illegal that killed the college student in Chicago.
9:11I mean, there's all these stories across the country.
9:13And one thing keeps coming up.
9:15So many of these Democrats will not change any of the policies.
9:20And it's really more about policy than law, because what it is is they refuse
9:23to actually use laws on the books as tools of enforcing the law.
9:31Yeah, absolutely. It's nuts. And I mean, I want to say this, and it's going
9:34to sound a little extreme, maybe to some people, but maybe not in this conversation.
9:39But I mean it actually very soberly.
9:41I think we need to be executing about 100 times more people than we are.
9:45We had 51 executions in the United States last year.
9:49It shouldn't be 1 ,000.
9:5051 ,000 would be way too many.
9:51But 510 wouldn't be enough.
9:53But there are about 5 ,000 guys who are either murderers or repeat serious violent
9:58offenders who, if we're serious about crime prevention, we need to just use the capital
10:03punishment tools that are on the books.
10:05Stop having these ridiculous things where people are on death row for 30 years for
10:09crimes that everybody knew that they committed.
10:11And we need to get serious about capital punishment, about enforcing the law so we
10:17have long prison sentences for violent felons, whatever have you.
10:21And we're just not there yet.
10:23And of course, the Democrats are always throwing a wrench into the works.
10:26I just, I feel like the way, the Democrat mentality on this stuff, here's an
10:32example. This, you might have seen this.
10:33I grew up on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.
10:35That was my neighborhood. And so really, I should be the one wearing a blue
10:39blazer and a button -down shirt.
10:41But that's okay. You're looking much more dapper than me today.
10:44But I grew up on the Upper East Side.
10:46And there was this incident in the subway system where an 84 -year -old veteran
10:52were in. was shoved onto the tracks by some lunatic with a long criminal history.
10:57He's an illegal alien, arrested many times for serious crimes, including violent crimes, and this
11:03individual gets shoved on the tracks, 84 -year -old veteran, dies, and now we're told,
11:10oh, what a tragedy. But it wasn't just a preventable tragedy.
11:15The state, and I mean that as in New York State or the city of
11:18New York under New York State jurisdiction, should have prevented this.
11:23Like, this man is dead because of idiot Democrats in the prosecutor's offices, in the
11:29legislative assembly. It's just, to me, it couldn't be any more clear.
11:32They're okay with this. This is the cost of doing business.
11:36It's nuts. I mean, the state and the city in this case is really an
11:39accessory to murder, as far as I'm concerned.
11:41I mean, you can't charge them, unfortunately.
11:43You can't charge the people involved, but it's outrageous, right?
11:46And the fact that this person's here is outrageous.
11:49And the fact that we're not going to have – I mean, there's no question
11:51this guy did it, right, presumably.
11:53I don't know. I mean, maybe there's not video evidence, but it sounds like there
11:57is. No, there are tons of eyewitnesses.
11:59He's not even denying it.
12:00I mean, the guy did it.
12:01Everyone saw it. You should have a couple months of due process for whatever that
12:05looks like, and then a humane, in my view, because I'm not like a bloodthirsty
12:10guy, but a humane, appropriate capital punishment for this crime, and you're done.
12:14But we don't have that.
12:16And even if you don't, you're not maybe as enthusiastic about upping the capital punishment
12:20numbers as me. A humane, like, lifetime sentence, and we're done, and we're not sitting
12:25there talking about it, and we're not doing this for every three years, whether he
12:30might be paroled or not.
12:32I just, the other part of this that I find so enraging is that they
12:38know that these people are a risk, and they let them out anyway.
12:42You know, they let them out, and they'll help them, because this was an illegal
12:46alien, by the way, who had already been deported, already been deported in the case
12:49of this New York City murder, which is what this guy did.
12:52And so they make the decision, hey, we have this dangerous felon in custody.
12:57ICE wants him. We, though, will refuse to even notify ICE and respect their detainer
13:06requests, so he can then be lawfully, lawfully taken and removed from this country.
13:12To me, I mean, you used the word an accomplice to murder.
13:15I think that's absolutely correct.
13:16And, you know, one analogy that I did on radio, Jeremy, which, feel free to
13:20ever borrow this or use this if you like, but it really resonated with people.
13:22I said, here, I'm a dog owner, okay?
13:24Are you a dog guy?
13:26I like dogs well enough, yeah.
13:28Okay, fair enough. That's okay.
13:29We're still friends. So I'm a dog owner.
13:31I like dogs. And if I, you know, there's a dog run right in my
13:36neighborhood here. If I saw someone's dog was like a pit bull that was running
13:44free without a leash, and it attacked and killed a little poodle in that dog
13:49run, and I pulled it off, and, you know, I'm like, okay, I've got this
13:53thing. I've got it off, and now I'm in control of it.
13:56And then I walked it over, and I said, you know, I don't want anyone
13:58to think poorly of pit bulls, so I'm going to let it loose in this
14:02other park and see what happens.
14:04Everybody would think that I was a monster and it was my fault.
14:07Cops are doing that in American cities with human beings who are violent criminals because
14:12they're illegal aliens every day.
14:14Every day, all across the country, this is happening.
14:18It's nuts. And I think the first person, you know, the first mayor or whoever
14:22it is who really cracks down on crime in a fundamental way and just changes
14:25the entire paradigm about how we're thinking about it.
14:28You look at what Bukele did in El Salvador, where he dropped crime like 95
14:33plus percent by just, you know, shockingly putting all the bad guys in prison, right?
14:37Like, that's what it took.
14:39And shockingly, you know, the Democrats have this theory that somehow there's this fixed amount
14:43of crime and that if you put certain bad guys in prison, there's going to
14:47be more people who are going to come in and do the crimes.
14:50But in fact, that's not how things work.
14:52We could choose. We could choose to have public order in this country.
14:56And we simply don't because liberals don't want us to.
15:00And conservatives have just not led aggressively enough on this issue, even though it would
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15:39that I have here and have read.
15:41And it is quite excellent from my friend Jeremy Carl.
15:44Next time you go up for the Senate, make sure you let me know beforehand.
15:47And so some of these senators can be senators can be put on notice on
15:51the Republican side that, you know, we're watching.
15:54All right. None of this none of this weak nonsense from them.
15:57I don't like it. That'd be great.
15:59I'd love I think the more pressure, the better would really help on a lot
16:02of these guys. You let us know, man, because you're one of the good ones.
16:06Thanks for being here, buddy.
16:06Good to talk to you.
16:08Thanks so much, Buck. It's a real pleasure to speak.