Buck Brief - Let's Talk Real Epstein Files Transparency
2/18/202622 mincomplete
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0:16It is book publishing day, so I have to tell you, get your copy of
0:19Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination, and Propaganda Against You.
0:23Just Manufacturing Delusion for those who, and some have actually managed to figure out that
0:28it is a little bit of a cheeky rejoinder to a Noam Chomsky, Noam of
0:33the Epstein Files, I might add, Noam Chomsky book, who is a godless communist who
0:39hates America. So this is a better book that deals with much more interesting things.
0:43We are joined now by my friend Lydia Moynihan.
0:46She is of the New York Post.
0:47She has also assured me that she will be buying a copy of the book,
0:51which is a smart thing to say to a podcast host before you're going on
0:54his show. You don't want to go the other direction with, Nah, I'm not really
0:58a reader. So thank you for that.
1:00Well, and thanks to Trump's economy, I can now afford to drop $30 on a
1:05book. I did see that eggs are down a lot from their high, so we
1:11got that going for us, which is nice, right?
1:13So now the hardcover or the audiobook, whichever, I like to sell those hardcovers, because
1:18wow, hardcover books are kind of expensive.
1:19Like $30. It's a lot.
1:22That should be Trump's next focus, is taking down the price of books.
1:25No, congratulations. Thank you. It is a mouthful.
1:28Like I think that if I was to have a book, I would name it
1:30something really short that's like one syllable.
1:32So kudos to you for naming it something aggressive that you have to like constantly
1:37repeat. So I will tell you...
1:39I love the audiobook. Did you read the audiobook?
1:41Oh, I did the audiobook myself.
1:43Yes, the audiobook. Yeah, yeah.
1:44So people can go and listen to, if they prefer, they can have my voice
1:47doing all the heavy lifting for them.
1:50But I, when I was going through this process, I wanted, the title that I
1:56wanted was just Manufacturing Delusion.
1:58And that was the first title that I wanted from the very beginning.
2:01And it was one of these things where editors, you know, the publisher came along,
2:06editors working with the publisher, and we had to do this like, okay, well that's
2:10good, but let's go through, and we went through like all these other titles and
2:14all these other things. And at one point, out of nowhere, a kind of person
2:19I wasn't working directly with was like, what if we just called it 2 plus
2:222 equals 5? I was like, I think that's going to make it pretty easy
2:27to denigrate the book. I was like, if the title of the book is incorrect,
2:33now of course the idea being like, that's like what, you know, Manufactured Delusion is,
2:39it's when you will affirm the most obvious lies and you will negate the most
2:43important truths. And how that plays out in politics.
2:47But I just thought it was kind of funny.
2:48I was like, wow, we're really taking this.
2:49And then we went, the point is, we went all the way back to the
2:52original title after weeks of back and forth over titles.
2:55So I feel like there we go.
2:57And with special points for anybody who got the Noam Chomsky reference in there.
3:02So yes, indeed. All right.
3:04The Epstein files never die, nor do their main characters.
3:07Yeah. I'm also curious, there are some people that are in the Epstein, okay, we
3:12can talk Epstein files here for a second.
3:13I think I'm actually talking later tonight about this.
3:16So you can school me up on this a bit.
3:19There are some people who appear in the Epstein, including one or two people that
3:22I know, not well, but know them, who appear in the Epstein files a lot.
3:27And what I think is interesting is, now we're at the phase where if you're
3:30in the files, but there's nothing about you that comes across that is just like
3:36gross. And again, there's nothing, no criminal charges of any kind based on what's in
3:41these files at this point.
3:42So that's off the table.
3:44But like Peter Atiyah, for example, when you're going to hang out with Epstein instead
3:49of being with your kid who's in the ICU and you say it's because, I
3:52think that's, by the way, I think that's brand annihilation.
3:55I have nothing against the guy.
3:56I think that's really, that's really, what do you think?
3:59Does he manage to come back from that?
4:00Dependent on the kindness of strangers, right?
4:03People who are supporting you and think you're a good guy, look up to you,
4:06whether it's for longevity, inspiration, but people liked him, right?
4:11And so I think he's going to lose any of that sort of identity capital
4:15that he had. Yeah, I go back and forth between being outraged and then just
4:20super confused about the Epstein files.
4:22The latest list that the DOJ released was literally just a list of like 300
4:26names that are referenced in the files, like Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley, totally random.
4:33And I think the media is having a field day because I don't believe in
4:39guilt by association, but they are manufacturing a lot of these sort of guilt by
4:43association headlines. There's been so many takedowns of people who were just casually mentioned, which
4:50I don't think is fair.
4:52And I don't want to slander or attack somebody because they were briefly called out.
4:57In fact, I was speaking with one person who said, look, if you're over the
5:00age of 45 and you're not mentioned in the Epstein files, you weren't hustling hard
5:04enough. So clearly there is this concept of sort of social proof where people maybe
5:10didn't necessarily know Epstein, but they knew people who knew him, didn't know enough about
5:14him to really have an opinion, but they were in that social circle.
5:19And so I do think that too many people are being caught in this net,
5:23but at the same time...
5:24It doesn't seem like people like Bill Gates or Reid Hoffman, who are sort of
5:29the upper echelon elites of our society, are really suffering any consequences.
5:34Yeah, I mean, Bill Gates is a loathsome scumbag, but people should have known that
5:37because he was going around, you know, funding organizations that were trying to get us
5:44all to eat bug meat and grow man boobs like like there was plenty of
5:48stuff to see about Bill Gates that we should not have liked way before the
5:52Epstein files. Totally, totally. But I think it's interesting because somebody like him isn't really
5:57going to face any consequences because he's so rich.
6:00He's sort of above any reproach.
6:03And it's those people who maybe are more they're not billionaires, but they were sort
6:07of in those circles who maybe are being unfairly attacked.
6:11And that's kind of unfortunate because I would like to see somebody like Bill Gates
6:14actually taken down and not the people who just maybe had a conversation with Epstein
6:20once. Well, I do think that there are a lot of people who because so
6:24many names have come out now, like there are people who visited the island like
6:28with their wife and kids and people.
6:30Yeah. Oh, my gosh. It's like, no, you don't understand.
6:32This guy was just a really rich guy who was positioning himself as essentially this
6:37super rich dude with access to of a lot of of age women, which is
6:43something else that doesn't get talked about.
6:44He would bring 24 year old Victoria's Secret models to parties.
6:49I know a lot of guys in their 50s and 60s.
6:52Yeah, I know a lot of guys in their 50s and 60s who were like,
6:54that sounds, you know, then you have to separate these things.
6:57That's different than Epstein and his own personal conduct.
7:00Obviously, he was involved with underage girls and did stuff that he was going to
7:03go to prison for the rest of his life before.
7:05Well, before he died in that prison cell.
7:07So there's there's all that.
7:09But is it ever going to be enough for the people who want is there
7:12such a thing as enough transparency on this?
7:14Now, I wasn't even going to talk to you about Epstein, but it feels like
7:16it just comes up all the time.
7:18I want to talk about Nancy Guthrie's case in a second.
7:20I and I vacillate back and forth because so far, I mean, I think that
7:25the dump that we've seen has shed a lot more heat than light.
7:30There's been victims who've been named.
7:32And so that dump has sort of been a disaster.
7:34And then you look at some of the the emails that have been redacted and
7:38the subject line is like, I had a great time with your naughtiest little girl.
7:43Like, why was that person's email redacted?
7:45So I think there's I think there's too many questions.
7:47But I also feel like any of these mysteries like the JFK assassination, like I
7:54just don't think we're going to get everything we want from these documents.
7:59Well, the other thing is, so I also think to your point, a lot of
8:04lecherous people, a lot of creepy people knew him.
8:07But that doesn't mean that they were raping children like, yes, you can be a
8:11really bad guy. That's a different thing.
8:13That's a that's a different.
8:14It's a very different thing.
8:15It is different in the criminal law is different.
8:18You know, morally, I mean, this is a this is a there's a bright red
8:21line. And I think some people are losing sight of, OK, well, there's conduct that's,
8:27you know, like this kind of that's you don't agree with.
8:30There is gross, but it's not illegal and it's not, you know, monstrous or deeply
8:35unethical in the same way as the clearly illegal bright red line crossing stuff would
8:41be. And so I think that some of that gets lost in this in this
8:45discussion. But these women who keep having the press conferences, you know, Clay actually got
8:51my co -host on radio, you know, Clay, he got a lot of heat from
8:54this because he's pointed this out.
8:55Others have as well. OK, why don't they just say who victimized them?
8:59And I'm seeing now some of these women were being told.
9:03And again, this is not to in any way, you know, take away from the
9:09focus on the awfulness of the exploitation of the underage girls that Epstein was involved
9:14in. But someone telling me that they were 23 and they went to Epstein parties,
9:21I'm like, OK, well, what was the you were you were you were an adult.
9:28I mean, we could say that, you know, if they're being what do you call
9:31it? If they're being paid.
9:32OK, that's prostitution. But what what is the why are we having these press conferences,
9:39the people who are I don't understand what what are we being told by the
9:42people who were adults at the time and at all times when they interact with
9:46Epstein? Why is that the center of this conversation?
9:50Sometimes that seems to me.
9:52You're right. No, it is perpetuating this myth that there is a string of child
9:58rapists and pedophiles. And I do think, look, certainly the Biden administration had any smoking
10:03gun against Trump, against any Republican from the Epstein files, they would have tried to
10:08put them in jail 10 ways to Sunday.
10:11I think, you know, you look at this, if there was a smoking gun that
10:14claimed Bill Gates had done something that could put him in jail, I'd like to
10:19think that Pam Bondi would go after him.
10:21But the reality is, it doesn't seem at this point that we have any evidence
10:26of that. And I guess I think it would be great if the DOJ clarified
10:30and said, look, we've looked into this, we've looked into that, we've gone down the
10:34rabbit holes and there's just nothing to substantiate it.
10:36Because I think what they're doing now is they're just releasing all of this information
10:40and they're not really walking people through it or providing context.
10:44Right. They had this list that they they just listed 300 names and there was
10:48no information about what Elvis Presley and Marilyn.
10:52Well, I think it's one minute Roe could possibly have in common so I would
10:54like to see an explanation of why they've done what they've done I think that
10:59would be really helpful because I would imagine again if there were people and they
11:04had a smoking gun I'd like to think they would go after them yeah I
11:08don't I think so too this is what I said but I don't think thousands
11:11of people are covering up for one person yeah this is what I said about
11:14the files that guys if there was smoking gun in the files they it wouldn't
11:17be in the files you would already know or or it has been removed from
11:21the files already which means it's not in the files right this is we kind
11:25of keep going around in this circle they don't have this is like what I
11:29said about Trump's tax returns the government already had them I know it's a very
11:31different issue but I'm like there's no Putin I love you thanks for the five
11:35million dollars in Trump's tax return the government has them to go through and look
11:39over but you know anyway people like to believe this madness you're never satisfied right
11:44like if you're somebody who thinks that Trump is a Russian agent it doesn't matter
11:48they could release everything and you would never be satisfied because you would believe without
11:53evidence that something is true and you would always believe oh well there's more that
11:57we haven't seen there's more they're covering up you if you believe something without looking
12:03to facts or data I don't think you're you're ever going to be satisfied yeah
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12:56story that's everyone's talking about this we don't really talk about it much on radio
12:59I keep saying and people write in like why aren't you talking more about the
13:02Nancy Guthrie kidnapping I'm like we know she was kidnapped right almost know nothing we
13:07we have photos of the guy who we think did it clearly and you don't
13:12know anything about him he's all covered up that's all we have and yet they're
13:15running 24 7 coverage on this what what draws the fascination in this about a
13:20story where there's no advancing of the story so far I it's kind of a
13:25news phenomenon that we're observing what's what's baffling to me too is right there's nothing
13:31there's no new update and yet we'll get like five push notifications in a day
13:36to say DNA found DNA being invested all of these updates when there's really nothing
13:41new to report on and there's wall -to -wall cover I've had multiple tv hits
13:45now cancel because they're like sorry we're doing wall -to -wall coverage on Nancy Guthrie
13:50and I just I it's kind of it's kind of honestly an exercise in how
13:56much can you talk without saying anything because they are filling hours and hours of
14:00tv without sharing anything new and I also don't understand why this has caught fire
14:07in such a way it's a tragic story but it's it's a news anchor's mother
14:12there's at this point there's nothing that we can extrapolate that would have a broader
14:16application right so I I don't understand the obsession I think it's tragic it's horrible
14:23but I feel like there's so many other important stories especially people in conservative media
14:27like let's talk about the save act that is something that should be getting wall
14:31-to -wall coverage I just think it's it's a missed opportunity to cover stories that
14:35ultimately will impact our lives so much more well I can tell you that the
14:39audience on radio was the first day than the first days I should say when
14:44the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping story hit because we talked about it a little bit again
14:47just hey guys this happened here's what we know and then we moved on to
14:50other things even with that there are people who are saying you know we just
14:55need to all be clear about something this is getting a lot more attention because
14:59this woman is a news anchor's mother why should that matter like why is the
15:04FBI director flying down to address this why is this and it there is something
15:10that's true that this is more of a thing because there are terrible if you're
15:16looking for true crime stories there's terrible stuff going on all the time it's honestly
15:19like we're considerably worse than this and but it's not famous people and so nobody
15:24nobody pays any attention to it this is the mother of a known person and
15:28not only is it getting more news coverage there is a law enforcement seems particularly
15:34invested in this kidnapping which raises some issues yeah I mean I can imagine how
15:43devastating would be right now if a loved one you know you were connected to
15:48was having something going on you weren't getting the resources you need I do think
15:51there is sort of a zero -sum game where when you're allocating all of these
15:55resources to one incident other incidents aren't getting coverage and I and I it was
16:01interesting initially and I think people this is to your point earlier people love conspiracy
16:05theories this is a mystery it's something you can talk about that you can have
16:09theories and guests and it's very intriguing um in a way that I think as
16:14you mentioned too like people love true crime like this is an intriguing story in
16:18a lot of ways and my guess is clearly it's it's rating or yes of
16:22course to cover it but i've never seen so much news coverage of something like
16:31donald trump's mother right it's not like it's yeah a sitting senator or the president
16:37or or someone like that and i mean maybe maybe everyone has a deep dark
16:41fear of their mother being kidnapped and and that's why it's resonating but i truly
16:46i don't understand and the obsession i think there is an opportunity cost in covering
16:50this we're missing other really important stories well well let me give you a couple
16:55minutes here because i feel like now i'm guilty of this because i'm talking here
16:58we are talking about nancy guthrie why is it but it does go to a
17:01broader it does go to a broader thing about is the news what is important
17:05for people to know or is the news what people want to click on and
17:07read about or watch on tv and that's a constant debate in our society that's
17:12playing out all the time um but the save act it is important sayeth lydia
17:18moynihan why i i will take every opportunity to talk about the save act um
17:23we've had 10 to 20 million people who've come in here illegally over the past
17:28five years and in many states in new york state it's basically the honor code
17:33to vote and so i believe that and look even if there's only a hundred
17:38or a thousand votes from non -citizens that is too many and i think everyone
17:42talks about democrats whole talking point is we need to save democracy we need to
17:45fight for democracy that's exactly what the save act does free and fair elections are
17:50the cornerstone of any society this is so popular most voters want the save act
17:56they want people to have proof of citizenship when they're voting most countries even in
18:01south america where all these people are coming from most countries have proof of citizenship
18:05when you go to vote and so i think this is something we we need
18:09to pass republicans really only gotten one sort of flagship piece of legislation this is
18:14something they need to get done before the midterms because given the influx of so
18:19many illegal immigrants and i think there is going to be an inevitable push push
18:23for amnesty um in the coming years but right now we just need to focus
18:26on making sure that it's only citizens who are voting this is something everyone wants
18:31republicans just need to get it done it is fascinating that uh you have democrats
18:39always and everywhere oppose any voter security measure like it's the most consistent thing i
18:46think about democrats other than they want abortion all the time every time for all
18:50none you know that like but it's right up there it is anything to do
18:54to make it uh more possible that your election does not have any shenanigans any
19:01security measure whatsoever they oppose every single one right it's i mean it's truly baffling
19:06and then once you try and say this is what most people want this is
19:09what everyone else has then they just immediately say that you're racist and sexist and
19:14you don't want disenfranchised voters to vote i was actually on uh with kevin o
19:19'leary last night we were talking about this and he said and i'm gonna i'm
19:22gonna hold his feet to the fire because one of the criticisms is that oh
19:26people can't possibly afford an id or a passport it's just too expensive he said
19:31okay great i'm gonna pay for everyone to get a passport or an id and
19:35i'm gonna hold him to that because you can debunk pretty much every argument they
19:39make against this and i i think i've also just been thinking about the hoops
19:45that we had to jump through during covet especially in new york i had to
19:49go wait in line for hours i had to fight to get an appointment i
19:53had to get not one but two jabs of a vaccine that was completely untested
19:58i had to carry a card around with multiple stickers anytime i wanted to see
20:03the doctor i had to show them that physical card i mean it was outrageous
20:07and republicans say oh let's let's make sure that there's id and democrats now suddenly
20:12are all up in arms like oh it's too onerous disenfranchised voters aren't going to
20:17be able to figure out how to get an id and like this sounds offensive
20:21but if you cannot figure out how to get an id how are you possibly
20:27going to stay on top of the issues and be informed enough to have a
20:32same yeah if you can't figure out how to get an id i don't want
20:36you to vote actually so i don't and by the way whatever if you're too
20:40dumb to figure out how to get an id in america where they make it
20:42uh free in most places and very easy you know what uh leave it to
20:46the adults that's fine um that's where i'm gonna leave that uh lydia moynihan new
20:50york post look for her on cnn schooling kevin o 'leary and others or actually
20:53you and kevin are on the same side but give mr wonderful my uh my
20:56he has no idea who i am uh actually that's not true well he wouldn't
21:00he wouldn't know if he saw me he would know i saw him on the
21:03street of miami like a year ago and he like took a second i'm like
21:06it's cool you've only been on my show like four times but but that's fine
21:10mr wonderful like you know he's like oh yeah he's like i think i yeah
21:15i was like i think i like i don't remember i'm like all right don't
21:17worry about it you know maybe maybe i've like gotten a 10 because i'm in
21:20miami lydia moynihan the great and the great and powerful thank you so much such
21:26a pleasure congratulations on the book thank you this is an iheart podcast guaranteed human