The Manosphere Report

0:03the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day david

0:13joseph good to see you good to see you i haven't seen you in a

0:16long fucking time when was the last time we were actually in a room together

0:19i well i was trying to think of that i don't know i would imagine

0:23post news radio we hung out at some point at some show somewhere somewhere but

0:30i don't know but i do remember uh because i did news radio a couple

0:35times and we we hung out i remember i think we both no just you

0:42had more hair than uh i was probably already at this point i was fighting

0:47to keep it i was hanging on are you do you shave or is that

0:50it is that oh it's i mean i'm bald if i didn't shave i'd be

0:54bald all the way up here but i got a hair transplant and it was

0:58useless yeah i i did a joke about it i go having a hair transplant

1:03is like taking people that are healthy and moving them into a neighborhood where everyone's

1:07dying this is just like where did bob go he just fucking flew off the

1:12face of the earth so uh yeah you'd say you just accepted it yes fuck

1:17it yeah i should have done it a long time ago it's so much better

1:20and i don't have to talk to a barber i don't have to listen to

1:23boring fucking stories while they hold you hostage with a pair of scissors that's what

1:27that's what this is uh this gets me i i don't like shaving i don't

1:33it's kind of a pain in the ass and i also i look like a

1:37kind of a turtle i look like a turtle you know when i shave i

1:41don't like it um and it's not attractive to me and i jerk off to

1:47me all the time so i want to keep things fresh uh but uh i

1:54this i probably don't have to i could probably get clippers and stuff but i

1:57go to you know one of my guys around the corner where i live and

2:01uh and i i have this experience where i'm i want that i want to

2:08get in and out right because of what you were saying a lot of chit

2:11chat and there are a couple guys very quiet hi how you doing good fist

2:16bump whatever you get you know what i want to get get out of there

2:20there's one guy who just talks all and and then they have that um the

2:28blade you know the the what do you call that you know the blade blade

2:34straight razor thank you and um and they got it right there so you got

2:38to be polite it's on your it's by your yeah you know and uh i

2:45know i could avoid it if i just get some clippers and just do this

2:49thing but i don't i don't know i was boring and sorry there's no point

2:56to it barely has anything to do with what we were talking about i there's

3:01something about a beard though that makes you distinguished or at least have experience or

3:06or look like a homeless you know uh alcoholic i mean there are plenty of

3:12those guys too yeah there's a lot of those too but a beard is like

3:17there's some there's a there's a statement with a beard like a full beard like

3:21yours white mine is just you know i don't like shaving like you know and

3:27again i i i do like i only gain weight in two places stomach and

3:35right here and if and and also i have a kind of a thin frame

3:38so it's it's really not attractive it's not attractive so the beard sort of it's

3:47it's more laziness it's uh i don't have to worry about it yeah no i

3:51i hear you and this you know i just i go i don't know six

3:56seven weeks and then i just shave it once it gets out because this my

3:59hair doesn't grow down or it just grows out like a clown you know it

4:04goes this way all of it even this too and uh and once this starts

4:10filling in it it just looks goofy yeah i have a friend my friend asan

4:16he used to shave his head and now purposely to look goofy he lets the

4:21sides go out and it's madness it's just it's all fucking crazy thick hair and

4:27bald on top and bald on top yeah yeah and he does a joke on

4:30stage about it it doesn't it doesn't praise indian this is my impression of an

4:34indian pussy well and is he just like not concerned about getting laid or yeah

4:42i think he's just embracing but he still gets laid you know because he's really

4:46he's really funny i think he just embraces not giving a fuck there he is

4:52oh he looks familiar to me okay very funny guy all right cool he's uh

4:57one of the up and comer well he's from la originally he was one of

5:01the doormen at the comedy store okay he looks very professorial he's very smart yeah

5:06yeah but uh doesn't give a fuck about his hair who's that art bell i

5:12was gonna guess art bell i swear to god yeah i swear to god i

5:16don't even know if i've ever seen him yeah coast to coast yes yes from

5:21the kingdom of nye wow i fucking love that show that was the show that

5:26i listened to coming home from hollywood because i lived out in the valley and

5:29i would drive home at night and i'd listen to late night with art bell

5:32it's the best coast with art bell i used to do a whole bit about

5:37uh the like um because who's the new guy george nori george nori right and

5:45i'm gonna uh digress for one second did you ever uh do you play video

5:49games at all yes well i try not to um but i used to play

5:53a lot of them did you ever play prey no but i know what it

5:56is a great underrated underrated underrated game got ripped off uh or just people bit

6:03certain things that they um started but one of the coolest things so it's about

6:08like this uh it takes place on a uh uh reservation uh you know uh

6:15in the 90s i guess or something like that and there's a bartender and her

6:19boyfriend and and it takes place in this bar and then aliens come and then

6:27this guy goes on the alien ship to uh go rescue her but um they

6:34did this really cool thing so first they have this in the video game right

6:38at the bar there's a tv and as you walk towards it it's playing it's

6:44like staticky until you get closer to it and then as your character gets closer

6:48to it it's art bell talking about aliens and stuff and i know i know

6:55i'm not doing it justice but it was such a cool smart idea and uh

6:59god bless him he was the og yeah and and just some of the guy

7:06i one thing that because i listen to it a lot too because sometimes you

7:13know you're listening and you're like this is insane this is crazy and he would

7:19always always treat the guest with deference you know respect and i i that must

7:26have been because there were things that were you know if you go back to

7:31all the episodes that were kind of contradictory in a sense you know like wait

7:36you think all these things happen you think there's a uh a place in the

7:40middle of the ocean that has like it's a community of people that live there

7:45and and and and then but you also think this like all these different things

7:51it'd be like hmm huh interesting yeah he would let you go he'd let you

7:56go yeah he'd give it some air uh but he was yeah he was never

7:59rude or no never you call him up he had a time traveler line where

8:05you would call specifically if you were a time traveler what if but if you

8:13were calling from the past they didn't have that technology yet no it's mostly people

8:18from the future i believe wait like art i'm calling from seven minutes in the

8:23future listen i think his his whole deal was if you are here in this

8:28current era but you are from another time you could call because you know the

8:33idea was like he would have these remote viewers and oddballs on and they would

8:39talk about that we we have had the ability to time travel for a long

8:42time oh yeah you know there are wormholes that exists and they explain the quantum

8:47dynamics involved and time travel has been breached by the cia in the 1960s yes

8:52and uh you'd have these people call up but art would always like give them

8:56air like let them breathe let it breathe yeah yeah art i'm a werewolf interesting

9:01tell me more like it didn't matter no matter what it was it was a

9:05fun show yeah i loved it craziest people from fucking bigfoot people to alien people

9:11everything and and then a lot of people uh ex -military right you know get

9:16that like whistleblowers um i was uh stationed and uh yeah you know outside of

9:23uh a remote island that uh i can't go into uh from singapore and uh

9:28i witnessed some things are that i still have difficulty believing and uh and then

9:35he yeah what happened it was great yeah it's so fun and and you so

9:39did you also listen to phil henry yes oh god he was the best super

9:44genius the best thing about phil henry was the people that didn't understand what was

9:48going on they would call in and be really upset the first the first two

9:52times i heard him i didn't understand what he was doing he's he's that good

9:57too then i and i would be like this is crazy this guy and then

10:02eventually you're like oh he's doing characters uh yeah because he you know repeat characters

10:08and stuff but i i got the chance to watch him do a show so

10:14he's got he's he's got the he's got three mics i want to say uh

10:19like two mics like this and then a phone mic or you know a phone

10:24like a hand uh uh old time you know cradle phone and he was doing

10:31himself uh the care the woman who's uh runs the uh hoa or whatever that

10:38uh whatever her name was that that character and then somebody else calling in like

10:45he did somebody calling on the phone and it was uh i mean it was

10:49like a magic act it was crazy to watch how without missing a beat and

10:54i could see uh you could see how he strategically takes breaths so that he

11:03can go from one character to another and interrupting each other yeah you know it

11:07it was fascinating but he's a genius it's the only thing that caught i right

11:12away i was like oh wait a minute there's no cross talk like right well

11:15if one of the early times i listened i was like i think this is

11:18the same guy yeah well he's he bumps it up like he's really good yeah

11:24at uh almost you know making it sound as if like uh because he'll interrupt

11:31himself and go and i okay but you know it's stop and then just go

11:35right into the other voice it's fucking phenomenal and and completely original like i don't

11:42know of anybody else did anything like that no did you ever um he used

11:47to put out stuff for charity like uh cds and things and he has uh

11:52i don't know uh i don't know what it would be called but it was

11:56one of the one of the things he put out for charity that was um

12:00a guy called into the station i think he's probably super high but he called

12:06in thinking it was pizza hut and he fucks with this guy in the best

12:14way where he's like uh and who's the what's the woman character he does it's

12:19kind of like uh like a black woman who's like honey it is the best

12:23i don't know Marjorie, I think, maybe.

12:27But then he does that woman answering the phone at Pizza Hut.

12:36And then he does the automated thing.

12:40She's like, I'm going to put you on.

12:42It's easier to do the automated thing.

12:45And the guy's like, OK, all right.

12:48And and then he gets out.

12:49He's like, thank you for calling Pizza Hut the best pizza in a three block

12:55radius. And if you want, if you want, I'm not doing it justice.

13:01You've got to go do it.

13:02Hear it. Listen. Can you?

13:04Yeah. You got it? All right.

13:07Headphones. OK, it's so brilliant.

13:09Wait, whatever the large. Yes.

13:15Or it's extra deep. Just a regular large 16th thick crust on a deep dish.

13:21You want puffed dish? No.

13:23You want any of them puffy cheese balls, anything like that.

13:26We got a special on Buffalo Wing.

13:28We got a special on.

13:31Damn, I forgot the other thing.

13:33We got a special on something.

13:35All right. What do you want?

13:37What kind of cheese you want?

13:38Blue, Swiss, cheddar, Munster. OK, I think I'm going to have the wrong location here.

13:45All right. Hold on. And he's subbed.

13:49Thank you for calling Pizza Hut.

13:50Your call is being transferred.

13:52Please have all credit card information available for our operators.

13:57Yes, Pizza Hut. Hello. Hi.

13:59Yes. Hi. Hi. Which location are you at?

14:01We are at the corner of La Fienega and Venice.

14:05OK. I'd like to place an order for delivery.

14:08All right. Can I put you on hold?

14:09We'll put you through our automated system.

14:10Hold on, please. Thank you for calling Pizza Hut.

14:15If you'd like cheese pizza, press one.

14:17If you'd like a meatball pizza, press two.

14:21If you'd like sausage, press three.

14:28Press two. Oh, it goes on and on and on and on.

14:35He goes, he eventually gets the guy a fish pizza.

14:38And the guy's like, no, man, this, I don't want, but it's, it's really funny.

14:44But that's him. That's Phil doing all those voices.

14:46And that's not set up.

14:48A guy had called into the studio thinking it was pizza.

14:51And they're like, take this call.

14:52Did you ever meet him?

14:53I did briefly at, uh, when I got to see him do his, he did

14:57a live show at, uh, Aspen Comedy Festival.

15:00Oh. Long, long, long time ago.

15:02I did something with him, Bob Odenkirk and Doug Stanhope.

15:07Oh, wow. And, and, and Adam Carolla.

15:09I don't remember where it was.

15:11I want to say it was somewhere in Canada, but it was some sit down.

15:16We were talking about the process of going through, because he was in the middle

15:20of doing some sort of a television show pilot.

15:23Yeah, yeah. So we were talking about the process of creating a pilot and what

15:28it's like trying to get a pilot to an actual finished television show and get

15:31it approved and what the struggles are.

15:33It was very interesting. I don't think it was for, it was, it was like

15:38one of those Montreal comedy festival things.

15:40Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, where they had some, it was like some weird

15:43talk. It was a long time ago.

15:44It was like, God, it had been like 2001 or something like that.

15:48Yeah, I vaguely remember when he was, uh, there was going to be, because he

15:51would talk about it doing this, uh, sitcom.

15:54Yeah, did it ever happen?

15:56I don't think so, no.

15:57He was a really nice guy though.

15:58Not what I expected at all.

16:00I expected him to be fucking insane.

16:02Just like, just to be able to do that every night and not get bored

16:06with just completely fucking with people every day.

16:10It's, it's gotta be exhausting too.

16:14Like mentally, cause you're, you've gotta remember, it's like, like really great improv guys where

16:20you have to remember all these details, bring them back 30 minutes later.

16:25Right? And you're, you're doing multiple characters.

16:28You ever see TJ and Dave?

16:29No. Oh dude, the best.

16:31Yeah, what is it? It's TJ, uh, Jadagowski and Dave Pasquese who were like the

16:38kings of that stuff in, uh, out of Chicago.

16:44And they come, they tour around, uh, and they're just, they're two guys who, uh,

16:50it starts off, you know, it's none of its plan, none of its, uh, and

16:54they have like a dedicated cult following.

16:56When they're in New York, it sells out like that.

16:58And you got to go to, uh, at least two shows to see how wildly

17:03different it is. I mean, there are two guys that come out on stage.

17:06Usually it was like three chairs and it'll just start with like, uh, you know,

17:12how's it going? Good, good, good.

17:16Are you in line? No, no, no.

17:18And it, and that you watch it like, oh, they're in line.

17:22Where are they in line at?

17:23Do they know each other?

17:24And, and then it's, it turns out they're at the DMV, but they're not, it's

17:29like a room outside of the DMV.

17:30And then they will leave and come back and be somebody else, right?

17:34A kid that was mentioned or a wife or something, um, or be in a

17:38car. And, and, and it all wraps up.

17:42It's all a big story.

17:43And, and I have seen, I've probably seen them 30, 40 times.

17:48And I've seen, uh, shows where, that were more, that were funny or more poignant

17:56than some plays that have been worked on for years, you know?

17:59And it's better. And it's completely improvised?

18:01Completely, 100%. Wow. Oh, they're, they're, I mean, I, uh, do you know Tim Meadows?

18:08Yeah. So Tim was a guest.

18:11Sometimes I'll have a third person.

18:12I know who he is.

18:13I don't, I don't, I met him.

18:14Yeah. So, uh, I was, and Tim's been, you know, uh.

18:18SNL? Yeah, and ensconced in that second city, uh, uh, world for decades.

18:24And he said it was the most terrifying thing he's ever done because you're, they're

18:29like genius level, I mean, the, the detail you have to remember.

18:35And then, and then, on top of it, if...

18:39One of them is, you know, I'm a marine biologist or whatever.

18:43It slips out. Then that person has to know about the real person playing the

18:48fake marine biologist has to know enough about marine biology to keep the thing going,

18:53you know, and it's just next level.

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20:03Well, I'd imagine that's like a muscle that you just get really strong with, like

20:10ranters. Like Tim Dillon is the best at ranting on a podcast alone.

20:16He doesn't have anybody with him.

20:19Most of his podcasts are just him ranting.

20:22And I've watched the development of it.

20:24I'm like, that's an amazing muscle to develop because you just get accustomed to that

20:29kind of scenario, that situation, where it's just in your mind just gets used to

20:34producing content. And like old school AM, late night radio guys who don't have people

20:42calling in who are like talking about whatever.

20:45And they got to do it, you know, four or five times a week for

20:49three hours by themselves. Yeah, I used to always like to listen to them.

20:53I used to like to listen to those crazy right wing, angry political talk shows

20:57because I didn't know anybody like that.

20:59So I was like, what is this guy doing?

21:05Well, that was the bulk of the radio.

21:08I mean, that's why, you know, you have like Art Bell and Phil Hendry, like

21:11a nice, like, oh, okay.

21:13Because I got all this.

21:14I got Mark Levin and I got, you know, what's his name?

21:20You know, Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh, yeah.

21:22And when you first start listening, or when I first started listening, and I came

21:29out to LA from Boston, you know, and people were like, there's this guy out

21:33here who's fucking nuts, you know.

21:35And I'd never heard of him in Boston.

21:39And then, and you're like, does he, how much of this stuff does he believe?

21:44Does he really believe? And how much has he come to believe?

21:49Does that make sense? Yeah.

21:51Yeah. And, and those guys, that was a whole fascinating thing.

21:55And Wally George. Do you remember Wally George?

21:57I do, but I don't remember much about him.

21:59I remember the name. What did Wally George do?

22:00He was the guy who originated what, I mean, now it's really familiar.

22:07He, remember Morton Downey Jr.?

22:08He was a little after Wally George.

22:10Oh, that's right. That's right.

22:11And he would, look, 83, and he was, and it was a super low budget,

22:20like cable access type thing, back when that was a whole thing.

22:24And he'd get, the audience would be hooting and hollering and he'd have people on

22:29like somebody who, and sometimes they, I think because it became popular, sort of like

22:36with Morton Downey Jr. where people came on to quote unquote fuck with Wally George.

22:41Like I'm going to pretend to be a, you know, a furry and I'm going

22:47to, you know, have gauges and, and you know what I mean?

22:49Like just the archetype of the thing they want to yell at.

22:52And, and I think people started, it was, there were some bullshit people on there,

22:58you know, people lying about who they were, but he'd have people on and then,

23:01and then kick them off.

23:03It would happen all the time.

23:04Like, come on, sit down.

23:06What the fuck do you think you're doing?

23:08And everybody would yell at the person.

23:10They'd start talking and like, get the fuck out of here.

23:12And that was, that was the show.

23:14We're like, you know, and here's something really crazy.

23:19Uh, and tell me if this is rumor, uh, look up at your magic computer,

23:26Rebecca DeMornay's dad, the actress.

23:30That's, yeah. Wally George? Yes.

23:33No. Yeah. Really? Look it up.

23:36Casey, right? Jamie. Jamie? I'm going to call you Casey.

23:41Who is, I forget who Rebecca DeMornay was.

23:45From, uh, Risky Business. Oh, wow.

23:51Wow, her dad? Yeah. Is Wally George.

23:55Wow. Isn't that crazy? Married multiple times.

23:57Shocker. Probably 10, potentially 10 times.

24:00Had at least six children.

24:01Holy shit, look at how many times he was married.

24:04One, two, three, four. Wow.

24:10Possibly 10. Possibly 10. Can you imagine, just keep fucking signing up?

24:16I don't, yeah. I just read, um, literally the, the other day, uh, Fleetwood Mac

24:21guy, getting married for the fifth time.

24:24He's 182. And he's getting, like, what?

24:29Stop. Yeah. Why do you want to keep doing that?

24:32They believe. They really believe this is it.

24:35This is the one. You have to say those vows and mean it each time.

24:41Or not. Yeah. Or just say, this is just a fun thing that I do.

24:45Yeah. To keep a lady happy.

24:47Yeah. Or just have a party, I guess.

24:50Yeah. Have a party and pretend that you're normal now.

24:53I don't know. I don't know.

24:53I don't know. And you're married?

24:54Yeah. Yeah. How long you been married?

24:5717 years. Oh, nice. Yeah.

24:59It'll be 14 in October.

25:01If I get divorced, that's a wrap.

25:05What do you mean? Like, I'm happy, happily married.

25:07I don't want to get divorced.

25:08Not saying that. But if I ever get divorced, I'm never.

25:10Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, same here.

25:13Yeah. Oh, I feel the same.

25:14Silly. I'm not having any more children.

25:16So if I don't have any children, it makes no sense.

25:19Yeah. To legally be bound to some person.

25:22Can we just hang out?

25:23I am 100 % with you.

25:26And I was never an anti -marriage guy.

25:30But I just didn't think I'd get married because I didn't want to.

25:35And then eventually I met somebody who I wanted to marry.

25:38Yeah. It's like you just have to.

25:40It has to. I mean, that's the thing.

25:42It has to be the right person.

25:43Everybody always says that except Wally George.

25:45But the idea of doing it 10 times is fucking insane.

25:51Yeah. They're doing a different thing.

25:54I think once you get – I'll give you three.

25:58And let's say one of them was some fishy circumstances.

26:03I'll give you three. Once you get on your – by the time you're going

26:08to be on your fourth or fifth or sixth or Rupert Murdoch marriage, like, what

26:14is the point? And why does that woman believe you?

26:17What does it say about the lady?

26:19Well, what about ladies that do it?

26:20I've been here for six years and I know one lady while I've been here.

26:23She's been married twice. Married and divorced twice and now she's on the third guy.

26:27Yeah. I would look – I mean, that says something about the guys.

26:30Right? I guess. Or her.

26:33Yeah, man, come on. If you – you wouldn't ever think, like, you meet somebody,

26:39you like them, and then you find out they've been married twice before in six

26:45years. Right. Right. And you were, like, starting to fall for her.

26:52You wouldn't think, wait a minute.

26:54What's the deal? You would, unless she was hot.

26:57Men are dumb. Well – If she's hot and she's sexy and you really like

27:02being around her, you're like, who cares?

27:04She made mistakes. Yeah. Who cares?

27:07I guess you're right. If the sex is that good, too.

27:09Yeah, if the sex is good and she's hot and you love being around her

27:12and that's what she wants and you want to make her happy, you're like, okay.

27:16I'll say this. You should find out – you should go talk to the other

27:21guys and have a sit down and find out why, you know – The problem

27:27is some guys, they'll want to mess it up for you, so they'll lie.

27:31They might not be accurate.

27:34You know, they might paint a – also, they might have been the fuck up

27:38and they want to blame it on her and then you'll get a distorted perception

27:41of who she is. But then, then it's back to her that she's marrying people

27:47who are fucked up. Just – I guess the point is that we're both making

27:52is don't get married, you know?

27:54Well, it is a weird thing.

27:56It's a weird thing to do – do you have children?

27:58I do. Yeah, it's a weird thing to do if you don't have children.

28:01Not weird like you shouldn't do it, but it's a different thing.

28:04Yeah, completely. And I would say that – not that we – you know, my

28:14wife and I have any, you know, real issues, but I would behave myself and

28:24stay and work at the marriage because of the kid.

28:28Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

28:31It fucks kids up when people get divorced.

28:34What's your background? My parents were split up when I was five and my mother

28:39remarried when I was seven and has been with my stepdad ever since.

28:43Oh, that's good. Yeah. They have a great relationship.

28:46I just saw them this weekend.

28:47And where did you grow up?

28:49Fucking everywhere. I was born in New Jersey, moved to San Francisco when I was

28:54seven, lived in San Francisco from seven to 11 in the height of the Vietnam

28:59War in Haight -Ashbury, like hippie town.

29:02And then Florida from 11 to 13.

29:06That's the opposite of San Francisco.

29:08Oh, my God. Yeah. That's the first time I found out about the N -word.

29:11I didn't know what it meant.

29:12And I remember I had to ask my mom.

29:14No way. Yeah, I had to ask my mom.

29:15I never heard it in San Francisco.

29:16Never heard it. Wow. San Francisco in the 1970s when I was between seven and

29:2211 was kind of a wild, amazing time.

29:26It was really weird. It was because we were in the middle of like the

29:30counterculture movement. Yeah, yeah. Berkeley, all that stuff.

29:33Uh -huh. Yeah. We lived right down the street from Lombard Street.

29:37So we're, you know, we were like in the middle of it all, you know.

29:41And it's funny because it was during that time that the Vietnam War ended.

29:47When I was, I think I was, when did Vietnam end?

29:5274? I think 74. Officially April 30th, 75.

30:01Okay. U .S. withdrawal 73.

30:03So that was like, how old was I?

30:06Whatever. The point is like at that time I remember thinking, thank God they figured

30:10out war's bad. We're never going to do this again.

30:13I literally had that thought, however old I was.

30:16What a naive child. Oh, I was like, whew.

30:19Because my stepfather had, he didn't get drafted.

30:23He got lucky. He just didn't get picked.

30:26And I knew a guy, some guy that was a friend of the family that

30:31had moved to Canada. He's like, fuck this.

30:33He took off to Canada.

30:34So I was aware of that.

30:35Like, oh, people are leaving the country so that they don't have to go to

30:37war. Like this is, because if you're a little kid, everything's fucking scary.

30:41Especially if you come from, you know, a broken home.

30:44Yeah, and the concept of a draft or conscription, the idea like, oh, you may

30:49have to go and you're going to learn how to shoot a gun and then

30:54go shoot strangers, kids. You know, like that has got to be terrifying if you're

30:59a kid. No, it was insane.

31:00And there was also the time where, you know, my stepdad was a hippie and

31:06my parents were hippies. I was going to ask, why did your – sorry to

31:11interrupt, but why did they move around so much?

31:13My stepfather was a computer programmer initially, and then he wanted to become an architect.

31:18So he went to school in San Francisco and then University of Florida in Gainesville

31:25and then Boston Architectural Center.

31:27So we moved to Boston when I was 13.

31:30So that was what it was.

31:31It was him becoming an architect.

31:33Right. And so, like, they didn't like sports.

31:37They weren't into anything like that.

31:39And then when Muhammad Ali was opposing the Vietnam War, he became this, like, counterculture

31:45hero. Sure, yeah. And I remember it was my parents sat down and watched Muhammad

31:52Ali versus Leon Spinks because he was trying to win his title back.

31:57And they were rooting for Muhammad Ali.

32:00I'm like, this is crazy.

32:01Like, this guy's stance on the Vietnam War has made my parents fans of his

32:07to the point where they're going to watch boxing.

32:09Like, they never watched boxing.

32:10They didn't want to have anything to do with anything violent.

32:12They hated it. But they wanted to watch that.

32:16There was only one boxer to watch if you were anti, you know, hitting or

32:22boxing or whatever. It was Muhammad Ali.

32:24He was a strategist, you know?

32:26He was. But quite honestly, by that stage of his career, he had slowed down

32:32considerably. And he just wasn't.

32:34I remember the Leon Spinks.

32:37Because he. Leon beat him.

32:40And then he beat Leon in the rematch.

32:42Right. This is the rematch, right?

32:44And that was the big one.

32:45We were all glued to the TV.

32:47But I remember thinking, this is crazy.

32:48They're watching boxing because of this guy's position on the Vietnam War.

32:53Have you seen When We Were Kings?

32:55Yes. Yeah, it's great. It's amazing.

32:57Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, he was a, God, you want to talk about a

33:01unique human being? Like a one of one.

33:05Yeah. You know? Yeah. And, you know, outside of, you know, Mike Tyson, there was

33:13never any kind of figure like that in boxing, you know?

33:22I mean, there was minor.

33:23Sugar Ray Leonard. Sort of?

33:25A little bit, but not.

33:26Not to that extent. Because he wasn't a cultural figure.

33:29Right, right. Muhammad Ali represented something during the Civil Rights Movement.

33:33And he changed his name to Muhammad Ali.

33:36Right, right. That was a big thing, too.

33:37People were terrified of Muslims at the time.

33:40And still. I was going to say at the time.

33:43Yeah. But it was a different kind of Muslims.

33:47You know, that was... Well, they were, you know, the government was really good about

33:55portraying every black urban person as, like, potentially, you know, Muslim Brotherhood.

34:02Mm -hmm. Twelve Tribes. Right, right, right, right.

34:05Those guys. They're still around.

34:08The Israelite Twelve Tribe. Oh, those guys.

34:11Yeah. They used to be...

34:12They used to hang out and...

34:13Hang out. What a minute.

34:15They used to be in Times Square, like, you know, yelling and preaching.

34:20I hung out with those guys one day.

34:21I wrote a piece about it for my website.

34:24Because I went... I was going home.

34:27It was when I was living in New York.

34:28And I was walking down the street.

34:29And there's this guy standing there with, like, a microphone and a little speaker.

34:32Yeah. Yeah. And they would read things from the Bible.

34:34Yep. And they would translate it.

34:37And they had this very bizarre translation.

34:40Everybody was black. George Washington was black.

34:42Everyone was black. They were explaining to me, you know, the so -called Jew.

34:47They were black Israelites. Yeah.

34:49The so -called Jew was the thing that they always...

34:51Well, they're Jewish. Yeah. You don't have to say the so -called part.

34:54Yeah, it was very odd.

34:56But their whole thing was there was a 12th tribe of the Israelites that were

35:03black that have been, you know, written out of history.

35:09Mm -hmm. Yeah. That was their thing.

35:11Yeah. They also informed me that I'm not white.

35:13That was a relief. What?

35:16Because I'm Italian. They're like, oh, you ain't white.

35:19I was like, oh. Oh, it's like the...

35:21Great. Because they hated white people.

35:23So I was just talking to this because I was bored.

35:24You know, I was just...

35:25So I was talking to this guy.

35:26I was just having him explain everything to me.

35:29And he informed me, don't worry, man, you're not white.

35:32I was like, oh, okay, that's good.

35:33That's good to know. So you can hang out.

35:35I can hang out with you guys.

35:36You don't hate me. But it was very odd.

35:39Very odd. They were all dressed like superheroes.

35:42They all had these crazy, like, Avenger costumes on.

35:45Yeah. And, like, jewelry. Yeah.

35:48Like, big, chunky, chunky jewelry.

35:49Yeah, huge medallions around their neck.

35:51Yeah. Yeah. Very odd stuff.

35:54There's still... You don't see them like you used to, but they're still out there.

35:57Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're out there.

35:59But I mean, like, in...

36:00Literally in New York, periphery of Times Square.

36:04Yeah. Last time I was in Philadelphia, I saw them.

36:07Yeah. They were out there on the street with the microphones.

36:09Yelling. The whole deal. Yeah.

36:11Yeah. It's an odd group.

36:14When were you in New York?

36:16I was in New York.

36:17I moved to New York in 91.

36:22Yeah. So, I started stand -up in 88 in Boston, and I got picked up

36:28by my manager, who I'm still with, when I was essentially an open -miker.

36:32Who was that? Jeff Sussman.

36:34How do I not know Jeff Sussman?

36:36He handles Kevin James. Was he a Boston guy?

36:40No, he was a New York guy.

36:41Oh, okay, okay. So, the story was, he had, what was his name, fucking, the

36:46guy who had all the crazy costumes, he was on the Rodney Dangerfield special, Bob,

36:51Bob Nelson. Bob Nelson, yeah.

36:54So, he handled Bob Nelson.

36:55The Cleveland Browns. Yeah. He put the helmet on, he had boxing gloves, he'd do

37:00Jiffy Jeff's gym, he had brain damage.

37:02He did a bunch of different characters.

37:04So, Bob, who is a big act, you know, he had an HBO special, the

37:08whole deal, at the time, he found Jesus.

37:12Oh. And, uh... Where was he?

37:14In his basement, I guess.

37:16Or something. Okay. It was around the neighborhood, somewhere.

37:18Okay. But, he, uh, had this guy...

37:22I, who is his prayer partner, that was going to take over as his manager.

37:26And so this was my manager's big client.

37:30So he's like, fuck, like, I gotta, I gotta go find some other comedians.

37:35So did, did, did he just stop doing stand -up?

37:38Because, I don't know, I think, I don't know if he still does stand -up.

37:43I don't know. I knew his career, my manager's really good, and he's very smart,

37:49and he did a great job guiding Bob, but I think sometimes when people, like,

37:54have, like, a big religious moment like that, like, maybe that becomes more of their

37:59life than, because he was all in.

38:02Yeah, yeah. He was all in with Christianity.

38:04And so my manager said, well, I kind of know most of the comics in

38:10New York. Let me see if I'm not missing people in Boston.

38:14And so he traveled to Boston with a friend of his, one of the guys

38:18that owned Governors, and they came - Well, Governors was Bob's room, wasn't it?

38:23Yes. Yeah. At a Long Island.

38:25One of the rooms that he worked at, yeah.

38:26And so they came down to Boston, and I just randomly went up one night

38:31at Duck Soup. Remember Duck Soup?

38:35Duck Soup. Duck Soup was, it became the improv after a while.

38:40It was - I don't remember that.

38:42Billy Downs and - Paul Barkley.

38:45Paul Barkley. I think it was actually Billy split, I think it was Paul's thing.

38:49Oh, they had split at that point?

38:50I think. I'm not sure about that.

38:52But what it was, it was Paul's idea, believe.

38:55It was a much more high -end room.

38:57Like, it was really nice.

38:59And it was right across from Nick's.

39:01So it was in the below area where the Wiltern is.

39:05Okay. So you know where the Wiltern is, which is now the big, you know,

39:08where Bill Blumenwright does comedy connection shows.

39:10Yeah, the Wilbur, right? Yeah.

39:12Is that it? The Wilbur.

39:14It's the Wil - Okay, I'm thinking the Wiltern's LA.

39:16The Wilbur. The Wilbur. But I know what you're talking about.

39:18The Wilbur. Right, you're right.

39:19So downstairs, the Wilbur, it was, you'd go down and it was a really nice

39:23room. Okay. And I was a limo driver at the time.

39:27I was driving limos and - Driving a limo in Boston?

39:31Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus.

39:32Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. That's what I was doing for a job.

39:35That's fucking hard. I mean, I just mean the literal streets of Boston are tough

39:39to navigate with any vehicle, but a limo, add an extra half a car to

39:45it. Yeah. It wasn't that bad.

39:48It was mostly airport pickups.

39:50Yeah, yeah. You know, and a lot of it was town cars.

39:52You'd pick people up in town cars.

39:54But when you drive around a lot, that's when I would come up with my

39:57best ideas. And I had an idea for a joke and I called, God, I

40:02can't remember who the guy was.

40:04Fuck, I can't believe I'm blanking on his name.

40:07He was a really cool dude who was the manager of the club.

40:11And I could call him up and say, hey, can I get a guest spot?

40:14And he gave me a guest spot that night.

40:15I wasn't even supposed to be on the show.

40:17And my manager just happened to be in the room.

40:19And if I'd known he was in the room, I probably would have been nervous

40:21and I probably would have bombed.

40:23Yeah. And I had no idea he was there.

40:24Wow. And then he came up to me afterwards and gave me his card and

40:28he said, can I see you tomorrow?

40:29And I said, okay. And then I did it.

40:33He just meant for a ride to the airport.

40:36So I did a set at the Connection the next night and then he asked

40:40me to come to New York and audition there.

40:42And then next thing you know, I was living in New York.

40:44It was like three years later.

40:45Very cool. And then. Yeah, it was a crazy, crazy story.

40:49And when did you move out to L .A.?

40:5194, 93. Like, first came out in 93 and then moved in 94.

40:56I came out to 93 for a pilot.

40:59I did a pilot on Fox called Hardball with Jim Brewer and a bunch of

41:05other people. It was a baseball sitcom on Fox that got canceled.

41:09It was terrible. Yeah. And then the only reason why I stayed, I hated L

41:14.A., but the only reason why I stayed was because I had got an apartment

41:18and I had a lease for a year.

41:19So I was like, fuck, I have to stay here.

41:22And so I stayed for a whole year.

41:23And then I got a development deal for NBC and they, I was there in

41:28the middle of this whole development deal.

41:30And then they said, we have a pilot that we already filmed, but we're going

41:33to fire one of the cast members.

41:36We want you to audition for this.

41:38And that was news radio.

41:39So I got to watch.

41:41Who did you replace? Well, fortunately, it was Ray Romano, who was a good friend

41:49of mine, was fired during the pilot.

41:51And so they replaced him with another guy and that guy got fired.

41:55Oh, wow. Yeah. So it wasn't, I would have felt terrible if it was Ray,

41:59but it was Ray being replaced.

42:01So I was like, good, fuck that guy.

42:03I'll do it for Ray.

42:05Do you remember who the other guy was?

42:06I do not. He was just an actor, some guy.

42:09I mean, I never met him.

42:10I'm sure he's a nice guy.

42:11But luckily for Ray, he goes on and does Everybody Loves Raymond and becomes huge.

42:17And I just stumbled into this fucking show with no acting experience.

42:21That was a fun set.

42:22I remember, I remember, because I did it a couple times.

42:26And also, like, that was not my first, but one of the first experiences I

42:33had with multi -camera sitcoms, you know, where you're like, this is literally the easiest

42:40job on planet Earth. Oh, yeah.

42:44It is the, you have one full day.

42:47You have like a full, I think Thursday, right?

42:49Yeah. And then Friday is like half a day.

42:51Yeah. Monday, come in, listen to this, read the script, go away.

42:55Yeah. It's the filming day.

42:56That's the long day. Yeah.

42:58And it's not that bad.

42:59I mean, especially once we got loose.

43:01The first season was hard.

43:03The first season was 12, 14 hour days because it was like they were trying

43:06to figure out what the show was.

43:08Yeah. But once it got rolling, it was pretty amazing.

43:12So I had only been doing standup for six years.

43:15I'd only been, I had done no acting.

43:18I had, they had made me get an acting coach for a little while in

43:21New York, which I think was counterintuitive.

43:24For a pilot? For the pilot.

43:26The Fox pilot. Oh. Yeah.

43:28Well, how's, how's an acting coach going to help you with a sitcom?

43:32It's about, it's about instinct.

43:34It's about. Well, they were giving me a lot of money.

43:36They gave me like $150 ,000 and they're like, you have to learn how to

43:40act. Do you know how to act?

43:42I've never acted. I'm just saying, like, to deliver sitcom lines, you don't need an

43:49acting teacher. Wow, Joseph, let's limber up the body.

43:53Yeah, you're not Daniel Day -Lewis.

43:55You're not doing There Will Be Blood.

43:58It was weird, because it wasn't anything.

44:01I think the reason why it worked out so well is because it was never

44:05anything that I wanted. So there was no weight to it.

44:08It wasn't like, oh my God, this is it.

44:10I am on a sitcom.

44:12I'm acting. It was more like, this is crazy.

44:15I can't believe I'm doing this.

44:16It was more like, wow, I can't believe I get to do this.

44:20But the real thing for me was to be able to be in L .A.

44:23and go to the comedy store.

44:24That to me was more huge.

44:28When I got passed at the comedy store, that to me was way bigger than

44:33being on a sitcom. I was like, holy shit.

44:36Because at six years in, I was like, is this going to work out?

44:40I don't even know if this is going to work out.

44:42Well, it's also not glamorous in any way.

44:46That aspect of working, there's nothing glamorous about a sitcom.

44:54You know what I mean?

44:54It's not the thing that when you're not in L .A.

44:59or Hollywood and you're sitting back and you are told about the glamorous lifestyle, the

45:04parties and all that stuff.

45:06It's literally you're driving to work and you're going to work.

45:08Yeah, but it was glamorous in a sense that you were on television.

45:14And that was very weird to me.

45:17It was very strange to watch it on TV.

45:19I'm like, that is actually me on TV.

45:22I had zero aspirations for any acting at all.

45:27Yeah. It never even occurred to me.

45:30When I lived in Boston, I remember me and Fitzsimmons, we used to dream about

45:34the day where we could pay our bills telling jokes.

45:37That was all it was.

45:38Yeah, I hear you. It was just like, oh, God.

45:41I would see guys like DJ Hazard.

45:43I remember I went to look at this apartment and DJ Hazard lived in the

45:46same building and it was this converted schoolhouse and these loft apartments.

45:52It had like a second floor where the bedroom was and it looked over the

45:55living room. I'm like, God, he pays for this with jokes.

45:59Yeah. This was like the most amazing thing.

46:01Like, that's all I wanted.

46:03I saw these like Don Gavin and Steve Sweeney.

46:06I was like, imagine being able to pay your bills just telling jokes.

46:10Untie my ankles in the morning.

46:13Remember that? Yeah, I do.

46:15DJ Hazard? Yeah. What was I going to say?

46:19Something. Oh, do you know Fitzsimmons, Paul Barclay story or Bill Downs, The Watch?

46:29Bill Downs. It was Bill Downs.

46:30Which one? How's it go?

46:32Oh, I don't. You should get it from him because it's his story.

46:36But, and I don't want to, I feel like it's his to tell, but it's

46:42fucking great. It's genius. It's bringing up something in my memory.

46:47So, so Bill owed everybody money.

46:50Right. And like he's still, you know, those guys owe me whatever it is at

46:56this point, you know, what, $300, $500.

46:59And just, and you'd go there and they were just doing - Everybody was big

47:02guy, remember? Yeah. I'll pay you soon, big guy.

47:05Oh, the worst. And then, do you remember when Bill adopted the girls?

47:12Yes. Korean girls, right? He, yeah.

47:14And he would use them like as, because at a certain point, it didn't help

47:22to go to the connection or go to the clubs.

47:25And you had to go to their fucking office.

47:28If you want it, nobody's going to call you back or whatever.

47:31And you'd like, I got to get on the team, go to the, go to

47:35their office. And that's the only way I'm going to get money is if I

47:38show up and he's in a good mood and it's not going to happen from

47:43a phone call. And I'd go there every single time.

47:46It's like, dude, I got to pay my rent, man.

47:48I mean, I, I got nothing.

47:50And you owe me, you know, $385.

47:53And back then that was huge.

47:55And, uh, ah, cross, I just, listen, so I got these, my kids, one of

48:04my kids is sick. Whatever.

48:05It was always this fucking excuse.

48:07And then, and then, uh, you know, it was still the Coke residual and the

48:11bottom of his nose. Um, but so Fitz, he owed Fitzsimmons a chunk of money,

48:18like, like a significant amount, like 1500, 1800 bucks, like something, something meaty, you know,

48:27especially for back then. And, uh, you, you, you ask Greg, cause I feel, I

48:35feel like. No, tell the story.

48:36I'm sure Greg's told it to me.

48:38Okay. Greg and I are pretty close.

48:39I just, I remember it some in, in my head.

48:42I do remember part of it, but I don't know the whole story.

48:44I don't remember it. All right.

48:46So Greg was, uh, booked at this, uh, you know, some shit club.

48:52In New Hampshire or whatever.

48:54And Downs was going to be there.

48:56Uh, Bill was going to be there.

48:57And, uh, um, and he goes, he goes there and he goes, uh, oh, Bill,

49:03I, I, uh, I forgot my watch.

49:06Um, I don't want to go over.

49:07Can I, can I borrow your watch?

49:09And he's like, yeah, sure.

49:10Um, it's like a Rolex, like some fancy, fancy, fancy watch.

49:14And, and Greg had this all planned out.

49:16Oh, I know the story.

49:17Yeah. And then he had, he had like parked in a specific place and then

49:22he, and then he gets, uh, he's like, all right, thanks.

49:25And he's like, all right, don't forget to give it back.

49:27Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he does his set and then he bolts out the back

49:30door, gets in his car, drives home back to Boston.

49:34And then Bill calls him, Hey, uh, so, uh, I think you, uh, forgot to

49:41give me my watch back and Greg just basically goes, yeah, you want it back?

49:46Uh, give me the 1800 bucks you owe me.

49:49And then met him at a restaurant or a diner somewhere.

49:51in a public place give me the cash and i'll give you your watch and

49:55it was just genius yeah that's greg yeah yeah those days were fun nick's comedy

50:01stop used to offer to pay you in cocaine or cash i dude so i

50:06i did nick's and the only i've said this multiple times the only i i'm

50:13extremely lucky that i was in boston when i was in boston because the comedy

50:19booms going on and outside of i don't know three places i just didn't do

50:27that well and i certainly didn't do well at nick's i mean i was the

50:30opposite they you know it had that the vague feeling of high school where you're

50:36the weirdo and people want to fuck with you and throw you in the trash

50:39can and uh and so i got lucky because there were just spots they just

50:45needed bodies so i worked all the time you know not you know not great

50:50gigs but i had it was all cash you know under the table and and

50:56they just needed bodies to to you know go up and do 15 minutes 20

51:01minutes whatever at some cowboy bar in fitzburg or whatever uh fitchburg um anyway uh

51:07so i get this i get a week at nick's and um and i am

51:15not doing well at all i think i'm opening up for kevin knox so not

51:20my crowd and i didn't have the track suit uh and you know noxie's up

51:28there doing uh hey you know why you know why uh bill buckner didn't catch

51:33the ball get the ball uh it's 86 world series because he heard it had

51:38aids on it okay all right yeah that's a real joke that's a real joke

51:44and they loved it more wonderful yes of course it had aids on 1986 and

51:52then do you remember this what does aid stand for no what adios infected dick

51:59sucker oh i do remember that i do i'm opening for him oh my god

52:04and it's his crowd and uh adios infected dick sucker oh my god yeah so

52:12uh i titled one of the tracks on my first album i think first or

52:17second album uh what if baseballs had aids on them i'm fucking eating it right

52:30so they're they're they're peeling back my uh time as the week goes on and

52:36uh and i am i mean i if i had done even okay i wouldn't

52:43have had this feeling they're already kind of intimidating right super mob very mob very

52:49mob and do you remember where the you'd walk into knicks and there was like

52:54the podium and then behind a little behind it is this little room with a

52:58curtain right and it's uh not big at all and i went to go get

53:04paid my the week was over and i'm and i've just you know eaten it

53:09eat shit every every single night every single show and um and they're all eating

53:15it's like a scene from like they're all eating like you know manicotti just couldn't

53:20make it any better with the fucking napkins in their uh you know in their

53:24shirt like this and uh and i go uh hey nervous as shit just hey

53:30uh so dom uh i need to uh uh if i can get paid i

53:35uh uh just for the you know whatever and dominic goes to whoever i can't

53:40remember the guy's name uh his kind of lackey there and he goes you know

53:45whatever his name was you know paulie go pay the kid and he's i've interrupted

53:50his dinner he's not happy fucking napkin off takes me trudge we go up to

53:57the offices upstairs and there's a safe and it's open and there's cash and there's

54:05a gun this is just open right and he gives me he gets the money

54:10and he gives it to me and i just pick it up i want to

54:13get the fuck out of there and i pick it up and he's like are

54:16you gonna count it uh no i'm good i trust i trust you and i

54:20just bolted i never went back there again it was i was so fucking intimidated

54:26and that was an intimidating place oh dude the whole thing about it every the

54:31dominic the all those guys yeah yeah and they're everyone's doing blow and you know

54:36the performers are at least you know it was a maniacal time where all those

54:41guys there was one time where nix was running three consecutive shows so they had

54:47their main room upstairs there was a dance club down in the bottom and there

54:51was one other room somewhere in that building and guys would go like guys like

54:56don gavin steve sweeney they would go and do a set a set a set

55:00set a set a set and these guys were just raking in money oh yeah

55:04and constantly doing blow no not paying their taxes yeah yes and that's what got

55:10them all yeah that well they i mean back in the heyday and it went

55:15it went on for years it was years and years of this i mean you

55:18you could go down you know 128 and do caloons or whatever and then do

55:23just hop all the way back pop into these chinese restaurants or whatever right giggles

55:28and saugas yeah and just go in a straight line and go back and forth

55:33and do nine fucking shows and and make a shit ton of money cash under

55:39the table tons of blow yeah and yeah it was a wild place because there

55:45were so many comics and it was such a boston's not a big city you

55:49know and to have so much comedy all come out you've seen um france alamita's

55:54documentary i haven't i got it it's really great stand up stood out yeah it's

55:58really i got it it's really great it's really great it's really great and it

56:02goes all the way back to crimins and the ding ho and and That was

56:06before my time. I started in 88, so the ding -ho was already gone.

56:10You heard legendary stories from the ding -ho.

56:13Did you see Call Me Lucky?

56:15No. Oh, you gotta see that.

56:17It's Bobcat's documentary about Barry.

56:22Oh no, wait a minute, I did see that.

56:24It's fucking great, man. That's right, I did see that.

56:26It's really well done. I don't mean just, like even if you don't know Barry,

56:30just the story and the way he lays out the path of the film is

56:36great. I had Barry on, like right after it came out.

56:39I had him on the podcast.

56:42He's a legend and, you know, huge inspiration.

56:46He was an intimidating guy.

56:48Yeah. That was the guy that I was scared of because he was like, he

56:53was the guy who was sort of the standard.

56:57Like, he made sure there was no hacks.

57:01He made sure there was, you know, like he set the standard.

57:04And he was really equitable too.

57:06Yes, yes. Very politically active.

57:10Even like way back then, like really knowledgeable and like really understood what was going

57:16on in the world. Did you ever see his or one of his State of

57:21the Union shows? No. They're fucking amazing.

57:25So he would go, I saw a couple of them at the old Stitches and

57:30he would go up and it was when the State of the Union was happening,

57:35he'd go up and he'd do his State of the Union.

57:38It was just him. And he would go on and he'd have like, you know,

57:43it was pre -PowerPoint, but it was whatever the equivalent of, you know, a screen

57:47behind him with stuff. And he'd go up there with a cooler, like a legit

57:53big cooler of beer because that motherfucker could drink.

57:57And he would just start, he had a podium and he would just crack beers

58:04and just down a case of beer or half a case of beer and just

58:08do his stuff, you know, extemporaneous stuff.

58:12I mean, stuff prepared, but about, you know, the State of the Union and all

58:16that. And it would always be packed.

58:19Like, and you'd see Dennis Leary and, you know, every single comic would be there,

58:24you know, trying up against the wall because it was packed.

58:26But it was great. I mean, legendary.

58:28Well, I mean, I think he was really responsible for a lot of what Boston

58:32comedy became, you know, because he was the guy that was kind of the gold

58:36standard. And he started the ding -ho.

58:39Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, it's like becoming friends with him was like, whew, like

58:45such a relief because I was terrified of him when I was a young comic.

58:48Like, if that guy thought I sucked, if he hated me, I was like, I'm

58:51fucking doomed. Yeah. You know, because he was this character.

58:55He would go on stage with a sport coat on and reach into his inner

58:59pocket and pull out a Budweiser for every show.

59:02You remember that? I don't, but I mean, I know he drank a lot.

59:05Yeah, but he would bring his own beer.

59:07It was part of his thing.

59:08He would go on stage, just reach into his, pull out a Budweiser and set

59:12it down on the stool.

59:13I. You only drink American beer.

59:16Is that true? Yeah, you drink Budweiser.

59:18I wonder why that is.

59:19I don't know. It was like kind of a patriot.

59:22Hey, I, he doesn't seem like he would, the kind of guy who would have

59:27denied himself. Well, I mean, maybe it was performative.

59:32I don't know. Was there a Modelo even?

59:34Did it exist at the time?

59:35But, yeah, he was, he was the only guy, I would say, that, and to

59:44your point, like all these other legendary comics, you know, Lenny Clark and Don Gavin

59:51and Steve Sweeney and all those guys, he was the only guy, those guys were

59:57kind of walking on eggshells.

1:00:00Yes. The only guy. Yes.

1:00:01Yes. They would give every, they'd give all each other shit.

1:00:05Like, and, and mean shit too.

1:00:07Yeah. Oh, they would fight.

1:00:08Oh, yeah. Barry was the one guy they wouldn't fuck with.

1:00:11Well, he was different than all of them in that he was incredibly well -read.

1:00:15Like, really well -read, really knowledgeable about all sorts of things with economics and the

1:00:21way the world works and the injustices of our society.

1:00:24But, really funny fucking comic too.

1:00:27Oh, yeah. Like, great jokes.

1:00:29Great writer. Yeah. You know?

1:00:31And just like, he was the standard.

1:00:33He was the glue that held that scene together.

1:00:35Because they all looked at him to be like, like, you can't kind of step

1:00:40out of line. Like, you don't want to get, catch Barry's R.

1:00:43Yeah. It's absolutely true. Yeah.

1:00:46And then when the revelation he had of being abused as a kid, and then

1:00:55he dedicated, he spoke in front of Congress.

1:00:59Yes. He did about - AOL.

1:01:02AOL. Yeah. That was, during the early days of AOL, for people that don't know,

1:01:07they had all these chat rooms, and sexual predators were using these chat rooms to

1:01:13find children. Yeah. And also to exchange pornographic material.

1:01:19And that was, that becomes a big part of Call Me Lucky, you know?

1:01:24Right. Right. And, yeah, he like dedicated his life basically to just going out and

1:01:32catching these motherfuckers. Yeah. And, and, and helping, you know, the, the people who would

1:01:40pose as kids and stuff.

1:01:41And that was, you know, that was his, and he was also, you know, lapsed

1:01:49Catholic. And when all the, especially in Boston, the Catholic Church and diocese and all

1:01:54that stuff was coming out, he was, I mean, that was his fucking focus.

1:01:59Yeah. Yeah. Getting these fuckers caught, you know?

1:02:03Exposed. Well, I, I think it took someone like him that was, he was levels

1:02:11above most of the other comedians in terms of his understanding of the world and

1:02:16his ability to articulate it and also a great comic.

1:02:20And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

1:02:20and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

1:02:20and, and, and, and, and, and so that like people looked at him like well

1:02:22this guy's like he's clearly smarter than all of us he's also like super dedicated

1:02:28to the craft of comedy like meant a lot to him like the integrity of

1:02:32comedy like what it is to be a comic you know and he came from

1:02:36uh and i think this is kind of specific to boston too he came from

1:02:42a jock world he was a minor league uh or whatever sub minor league uh

1:02:48catcher he played uh he was at syracuse university and he played for like the

1:02:55cape cod league and you know the things that eventually you get to minor leagues

1:03:00hopefully um but and he came from that hard drinking you know and and catcher

1:03:06is arguably the smartest guy in the baseball team right right he's the guy making

1:03:12the calls for the pitches seeing everything defensive lineups so he came from that world

1:03:17too which i think helped his cred yeah well it's just such an unusual town

1:03:23in what happened there that these guys became these local legends where they never had

1:03:29to leave and they kind of did the same act for decades which was also

1:03:33kind of crazy that to me was like i knew there was definitely a uh

1:03:42as i started to separate from that world a little bit and uh and just

1:03:49kind of evolving as a comedian and there was like the catch scene and um

1:03:53catch a rising star and uh that was a thing that was an early i

1:04:00just didn't get it like why are you doing the same it there's no joy

1:04:05in it right you would drive some of these guys because they get fucked up

1:04:09and you were happy to have all the work and you'd go up and do

1:04:1215 and they'd do a half hour you'd get in the car you'd go somewhere

1:04:15else and and these guys doing mike dunnman he would do his remember rosie the

1:04:24bounty the quicker picker -upper the bounty yeah okay so he had there was a

1:04:29so the commercials were like rosie uh uh and it was like the scrappy uh

1:04:37waitress at a diner remember it was like a character that was in all the

1:04:41it was like the the you know mascot of whatever bounty the quicker picker -upper

1:04:47and her character was kind of like feisty isn't these commercials ran for years you

1:04:53know different like ah you don't do this do this and his bit was about

1:04:58taking a gun out and shooting her um and it was funny you'd see it

1:05:03the first time but it's like dude that hasn't been on the air in fucking

1:05:0610 years and he's still doing this uh yeah rosie i got something for you

1:05:12i gotta i got some advice for you like what the fuck and there was

1:05:17okay wait joe did you were you there so uh ed the machine regime oh

1:05:25yeah i remember him so he'd wear the suit yep well yeah and he his

1:05:30headshot was four different his headshot was like four squares and then different characters yep

1:05:36tina turner and uh guy the the like mob guy uh i can't remember the

1:05:42rest of them and then you know whatever i think he had a turban in

1:05:45one of them i'm sure he did uh so he goes to jail for rolling

1:05:52back odometers odometers yes that's right he gets caught and he was uh you know

1:05:58car salesman i think out of in rhode island i believe and he got caught

1:06:02rolling back the odometers he goes to jail for a year and a half and

1:06:07i uh i was shooting this movie this is decades later i was shooting this

1:06:15movie and was on a cruise ship and the cruise ship uh ed the machine

1:06:21regime is the headliner at the comedy venue on the cruise ship and i'm like

1:06:28oh shit that's crazy i haven't seen this guy in forever and he's he's back

1:06:32doing comedy okay and i go there and he does i don't know 40 minutes

1:06:40the same fucking act from 15 years ago it's like you don't have one you

1:06:48you spent 18 months in prison you don't have one joke you don't have one

1:06:52motherfucking observation even if you lie and say you know you don't be weird if

1:06:59you were in prison and whatever you had you don't have anything it's weird it

1:07:03was a country we're writing new material all the time it was i remember that

1:07:13feeling of i must be different because i'm not i don't that is such a

1:07:19distasteful thing yeah i wouldn't want to do that well there was two i saw

1:07:24two traps there one of them was that and the other one was never leaving

1:07:29yeah they never left boston and when they did leave boston they had so much

1:07:34local material that their act was like cut down by like 40 and there were

1:07:39a lot of people their peers who would give them shit like uh and it

1:07:45was all just kind of resentful jealousy small -minded small town kind of like oh

1:07:51you think you're better than us which is a boston thing too that um oh

1:07:56you think you're so you think you're so hot now that you uh you're hot

1:08:00shot you go you get some uh you go to hollywood you go there yeah

1:08:04fuck you this is you know it was a real provincial working class kind of

1:08:09yeah attitude you know they look down on and you know they would give leery

1:08:14shit all the time you know like sell out this is bullshit weird sell out's

1:08:20a weird one because they would all sold out it just wasn't available well they

1:08:26were all mad at stephen wright yeah yeah because so stephen wright was like how

1:08:32can you get mad at stephen wright well not mad mad at stephen wright well