Hour 3 - Iran Flips Us the Bird
4/8/202637 mincomplete
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome in. Hour number three, Wednesday edition.
0:07Clay and Buck show. A lot of different details.
0:12All coming down just recently with Caroline Levitt.
0:17In the White House press briefing.
0:20And I have got a series of these to update you all with these.
0:26I believe these are in the order in which they were occurring.
0:30And then we've got a ton of your talkbacks that we will play.
0:34And 800 -282 -2882. We will take some of your calls as well.
0:39Okay, and Buck, this is one of the big points of discussion we got into
0:43in the first hour. To what extent is the public and private commentary different from
0:49Iran? How can you rely on what is being said?
0:53Caroline Levitt, Cut26, says that what Iran is saying publicly is different from what they
1:00are saying privately, Cut26. With respect to the first reporting out of Iranian state media,
1:05the president was made aware of those reports before I came to the podium.
1:09That is completely unacceptable. And again, this is a case of what they're saying publicly
1:13is different privately. We have seen an uptick of traffic in the strait today.
1:17And I will reiterate the president's expectation and demand that the Strait of Hormuz is
1:22reopened immediately, quickly, and safely.
1:25That is his expectation. It has been relayed to him privately that that is what's
1:29taking place. And these reports publicly are false.
1:33Okay, this is an easy one that we can test, Buck.
1:36Either there's going to be a lot of ships that are coming through the Strait
1:39of Hormuz safely, or there's not.
1:42And if there's not, it's a pretty good sign that that is dishonest, that they
1:47are actually still curtailing traffic substantially.
1:49My sense also is that she's referring to, also here, referring to the position that
1:58the Iranians are taking on the deal points.
2:01And is that included in that response there?
2:03We've got an additional cut on that, I think, which is her saying the 10
2:09-point request is just not accurate, and we are not agreeing there.
2:15Well, but this is where the public -private dichotomy matters so much, right?
2:19Because they're saying, the White House is telling us, oh, don't worry, behind closed doors,
2:23the Iranians are way more compliant and willing to play ball on these things.
2:28Because what they put out, to be clear, and I guess we might as well
2:32play this, what the Iranians put out as their deal position is a giant extended
2:37finger in our direction. It is maximalist points on their side that they are taking
2:48here. This is 28. Here's Caroline Leavitt on this.
2:50I've seen a lot of inaccurate coverage today from the media about these negotiations and
2:55these plans already. So let me be clear and correct the record.
2:58The Iranians originally put forward a 10 -point plan that was fundamentally unserious, unacceptable, and
3:04completely discarded. It was literally thrown in the garbage by President Trump and his negotiating
3:10team. Many outlets in this room have falsely reported on that plan as being acceptable
3:15to the United States, and that is false.
3:18With the President's deadline fast approaching and the United States military completely decimating Iran with
3:23each passing hour, the regime acknowledged reality to the negotiating team.
3:27They put forward a more reasonable and entirely different and condensed plan to the President
3:32and his team. President Trump and the team determined the new modified plan was a
3:36workable basis on which to negotiate and to align it with our own 15 -point
3:42proposal. The President's red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran, have not
3:48changed. And the idea that President Trump would ever accept an Iranian wish list as
3:54a deal is completely absurd.
3:56I don't think anyone, well, I mean, we certainly haven't.
4:00I haven't seen anyone say that the 10 points put forward by Iran were accepted
4:03by the White House. So I think that's a little bit of a red herring.
4:07No one's saying that we've agreed to that.
4:09Not even CNN or New York Times is saying we've agreed to that.
4:12But that is what was put out there.
4:15Look, everyone, we are very pro -Trump.
4:19And very pro -America and very pro -humanity in these matters here.
4:23Clay and I can certainly agree on that.
4:24Anti -death. Anti -death, anti -innocent people suffering, anti -chaos, mass hysteria, dogs and cats
4:32living together. We don't like any of those things.
4:34I'm going to have to now step in.
4:36I'm a little, I'll tell you this.
4:38I feel I should have been louder about DHS Secretary Noam was a horrible choice
4:44and it was an outrageously bad case.
4:48Now, people might say, oh, it doesn't matter.
4:50Really? How many deportations have we gotten done?
4:52Really? How's our immigration stuff looking from the deportation perspective?
4:56And how much time has been lost?
4:58And how, anyway. So I feel like I gave Trump, because he's Trump and he
5:03won. I was like, you know what?
5:04His team, his picks. Who am I to judge?
5:07No, I knew. I knew.
5:08And you all know that I knew.
5:10On this one, Clay, how's our whole ending the Ukraine war thing in one day
5:15going? Not going. How's our whole getting Kim Jong -un to open a whole new
5:20universe of talks with Trump and everything?
5:24Yeah. Yeah. He's not firing off rocket.
5:26I'm not saying nothing has been done or there's not concessions or whatever, but it
5:30hasn't happened, okay? Russian aggression against Ukraine is still ongoing.
5:35I am sorry. I'm feeling a little bit of a spin coming from this White
5:39House on this where they're saying, oh, no, what they're saying in private, we'll see.
5:45We'll see. Trump's red line is that they're going to give up.
5:48They're going to agree to formally.
5:50Remember, to agree to give up the nuclear program comes with things like getting rid
5:56of their enriched uranium, like allowing inspectors.
6:00There are actual processes. It's not just like, oh, yeah, we'll do that, and then
6:05they can lie about it, right, because that wouldn't be acceptable either.
6:09They're not going to do it, guys.
6:12I hope I'm wrong. I'll come and I'll tell you.
6:14I'll be like, oh, in two weeks, you know what they're going to say?
6:16We're getting closer. We're getting closer.
6:18Great progress has been made.
6:19Jared Kushner is nailing this thing down.
6:21Great progress has been made.
6:23Okay. We'll see. Hopefully the straight opens.
6:28That's a big part of it, Clay.
6:29But I think they will open the straight because now they're in the negotiation phase,
6:33and that's their leverage against us.
6:36That's why I think the end result, this is my prediction, is going to be
6:43both sides agree to just kind of put down arms and leave things where they
6:48are. And our argument is that Iran has agreed that they're going to stop, and
6:54we think that the uranium is underground and unreachable.
6:59And then Iran is saying to their people, hey, you know, they came for us,
7:04and we haven't given up anything.
7:07That may be true. This is a little different from what we're talking about in
7:09the first hour, Clay. I could see what you're saying happened, but keep in mind,
7:12that is not achieving a non -nuclear Iran, and that is not what that is,
7:16though. But I, yes, but that allows, this is what I'm thinking is going to
7:22end up being the end result.
7:24Because the only other option is this, right?
7:26There are two options for how that thing ends.
7:28We go on the ground with our, you know, somebody who's with our nerds who
7:34have to actually get the canisters, right?
7:37We go on the ground in Iran, which there was a report, I think, in
7:41the Wall Street Journal that we were considering doing this.
7:44We seize it all. We bring it back.
7:47We hold it up, and we're like, we got it.
7:49Here it is, and they can't use this anymore.
7:53The other option, which I think I agree with you on this, is Iran just
7:58agrees to give it to us.
8:00I can't foresee a world in which Iran is humiliated enough to just hand over
8:07all of the uranium and all of their literal physical capacity to try to make
8:14nuclear weapons. Here's the other question that I think is going to loom large here,
8:23and that is something I bet, again, we're going to get a good sign for
8:29what is the public posture versus what is the private posture.
8:32Ships are either going to come through or they're not.
8:36And if the ships aren't coming through, then the argument of the Strait of Hormuz
8:40is 100 % open is not accurate, and we can determine that.
8:46Now, the price of oil and gas has come down $20, which suggests that there
8:51is some optimism that the flow of oil and gas is going to continue.
8:56But I think that's the number one trust -but -verify component here is, are the
9:03ships coming through? And that's what I would want to see as the, hey, you
9:07-can -be -trusted component of this early -stage negotiation with J .D.
9:12Vance, Whitcoff, and Kushner headed to Pakistan.
9:15I just, these Iranians, man, they're wily cats.
9:19These guys know what, I'm telling this, what they're going to do.
9:22They're going to say, hold on a second, and they're going to put out, they're
9:25going to use the mechanisms they have to put out statements to, whether it's, you
9:29know, through the, running it through press in the Middle East or wherever.
9:33I mean, they can just put it on X for all, it doesn't really matter.
9:36Or they'll say, hey, hey, guys, we opened the straight, we're negotiating, we're negotiating, we're
9:41figuring it out, we're figuring it out.
9:42And then as a little bit of time moves on, you know what they're going
9:44to say? They're going to say, you know what, Trump, you really don't want us
9:48to shut down this straight with you guys having the midterms coming up.
9:52So, you know, I think they think the leverage has switched to their side on
9:56this. I really do. And if we start bombing, we're bombing them through Fourth of
10:00July weekend this summer, you think that's going to be a good look?
10:02Look, this was promised to be four to six weeks.
10:04We are at the deadline.
10:06This is where we are now.
10:07And we're sending in Jared and Whitcoff to Islamabad, apparently, to figure this whole thing
10:12out via Pakistan. I don't know, man.
10:15So I think they're going to open this straight up.
10:18But the point is they're going to open this straight up, and then they're going
10:20to say, yeah, everything else stays.
10:22Here's the larger issue. This is where I actually agree with you 100%.
10:28Midterms are an issue, but let's move beyond.
10:31Let's actually think bigger picture, longer range.
10:35Iran knows. Worst case scenario for them.
10:39Trump is out in January of 29.
10:41Who is the most likely successor to Trump right now?
10:45J .D. Vance. What did J .D.
10:47Vance argue in the New York Times piece that came out today?
10:50That he didn't want to do anything to him?
10:52Iran if I'm Iranian leadership right now I'm saying hey two and a half years
10:57it may be rough Trump may come after us but if we get JD we
11:01can work with JD and by the way Democrats we saw Obama bit over backwards
11:07and gave butterfly kisses to the Iranian leadership so the concern is Trump's the only
11:13bad guy they have to deal with and it's only two and a half years
11:16now you sound like now you sound like an Iranian bad guy who knows who
11:20he's selling his pistachios to you don't know what I'm saying I mean you're I
11:23mean this is this is the long range I do think the advantage that evil
11:28dictators have is evil dictators can think longer than a four -year cycle or a
11:34six -month cycle and this is why my argument for you know this is why
11:40I like kings if you got a good king you get him for like 40
11:43years you know you got a good president even Socrates was like the best government
11:47is just having a perfect person in charge of everything unfortunately there's no perfect person
11:51but but Trump the best possible person that we could have is only here for
11:56eight years and my god can you imagine what will happen if Kamala Harris or
12:00Gavin Newsom is in office in January of 29 they're not going to do anything
12:04so that's the ultimate I think challenge that Trump has is two and a half
12:10years is nothing the older you get the less two and a half years is
12:15and then you add on the religious fundamentalism and those guys think in hundreds and
12:20thousands of years that's you know they're thinking about conquering the world in 2800 um
12:27not worrying about what the next three years are going to look like that's my
12:31beard is getting a little longer his Farsi is getting a little bit clearer like
12:36he's you're doing I think you're you're edging at least towards seeing I think how
12:40this can go sideways really fast which is even even if you're right about the
12:45feelings on the you know the state of the negotiations right now let's just say
12:49there is some private there are so many ways that this thing gets uh gets
12:54screwed up now here here's the I'll give you my biggest upside to this is
12:59that our downside has been quite limited that is and that's why the ending this
13:05thing now is is I think the right move yeah but I think it's basically
13:09ending now and I think we walk away they think they won we think we
13:13won and this is the way this thing moves forward I don't think there's going
13:16to be a nuclear deal at the end of this we didn't lose hundreds or
13:19thousands of American soldiers fighting we didn't get into a six month or six year
13:24heaven forbid war like this this is manageable where it is now so that's to
13:28me the upside of this but people are going to tell you if if this
13:33is the end state where we are right now which is the strait opens and
13:36there's negotiations going forward that's not what the purpose of this of this air campaign
13:42was just to be clear that's that's not maybe they're going to get there and
13:46that in that case great I'll say they get there but it was not we're
13:49going to negotiate more over this stuff and the Strait of Hormuz is open and
13:52we destroyed a lot of their military stuff which we did do and it was
13:55an amazing display of American military power but that is not what that is not
14:00what this was all about and I think that's why the Israelis by the way
14:03are very annoyed about this current situation based on the reporting that we've seen and
14:08by the way Lebanon is still going to become an issue because they're still fighting
14:11going on there and they're saying that's supposed to be a part of the ceasefire
14:14the other thing is again I really encourage people not always we say this to
14:19read that New York Times piece Israel told Trump that there would be regime change
14:24meaning the Ayatollahs would be out if we did this now the Trump advisors Marco
14:31Rubio didn't buy it according to the reporting JD Vance didn't endorse this in any
14:37way people listen to the show no I've never bought it I've always been like
14:40I don't think that's gonna happen it's not gonna happen so Trump is now saying
14:46regime change is a new leader which technically is accurate but it isn't a new
14:52democratic leader it's just a different um religious fundamentalist when you're talking about things like
14:58this you don't want to turn into being clever with your comms you want it
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16:25Welcome in, everybody. Back to the Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
16:28Let's take some calls. Greg in Orlando, Florida.
16:33Orlando, Florida. Some people are saying it's a beautiful place, but Greg, you'd know that
16:37better than anybody. What's going on, Greg?
16:40Yes, sir. Love the state.
16:42Love you guys. Truck driver.
16:44Privilege of listening to you every day, your whole show.
16:46So I love what you guys do.
16:47Oh, thank you so much.
16:48No problem. What I wanted to say or ask was, with the necessity of getting
16:54the Strait of the Hormuz open, why is that so important when it's such a
16:57small percentage that actually hits our shores?
17:01So that's actually a very interesting question.
17:02Clay and I were to.
17:03Clay, why don't you take this, because we only got about 30 seconds before we
17:06got to go to a break.
17:07You go for it, Clay.
17:08Yeah, it's a great question from Greg, and we've been talking a lot about this.
17:11Oil has a global marketplace.
17:13And so the way to think about this is, if there are, simplify it, 10
17:17barrels of oil on the market, then the cost is going to be X.
17:21If there are suddenly eight on the market, then because there's fewer amounts of oil
17:27on the marketplace, the overall cost increases.
17:30So it's a global supply.
17:32We don't have to rely on that oil to arrive on our shores to be
17:37able to put into our cars and trucks.
17:39But if it isn't in the global marketplace, the overall price of oil and gas
17:45increases. And so we want as much free flow of oil and gas as possible.
17:51And then you add in the fact that OPEC is a cartel and they can
17:54control the distribution of oil and gas.
17:56And we've had good relations with them, but that is always an issue.
17:59And we will talk about this more on the flip side, but it is a
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18:59Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
19:02Buck doing a quick Fox News hit, which you may see on television in the
19:07near future. Promoting his book.
19:10He'll be back for the end of the program.
19:12But I did want to hit a couple of these.
19:17Let's see. Cut 30. We told you this already, but J .D.
19:21Vance, Steve Whitcock, Jared Kushner headed to Pakistan.
19:24That was announced by Caroline Leavitt.
19:27Cut 30. I can announce that the president is dispatching his negotiating team, led by
19:33the vice president of the United States, J .D.
19:35Vance, special envoy Whitcoff, and Mr.
19:37Kushner to Islamabad for talks this weekend.
19:40The first round of those talks will take place on Saturday morning local time, and
19:44we know we look forward to those in -person meetings.
19:47Cut, let's see, 29 as well.
19:51Caroline Leavitt going after a reporter over the question of moral high ground.
19:58This is Cut 29. Yesterday, the president threatened to destroy Iran's civilization, the entire civilization.
20:06Not the Iranian government, but the Iranian civilization, the Iranian people.
20:10The U .S. has been a moral leader for most of its history by fighting
20:14wars against other governments, not against civilizations.
20:19How can the president claim that America can ever have the moral high ground if
20:23he's threatening to destroy civilizations and not casting wars as fights against other governments?
20:30Andrew, I think you should take a look at the actions of this president over
20:33the course of the past six weeks and the actions of our brave men and
20:36women in our United States military who have essentially taken out the military of a
20:43rogue Islamic regime that has chanted death to America for 47 years, that has killed
20:48and maimed thousands of American soldiers over the course of the last five decades.
20:53The president absolutely has the moral high ground over the Iranian terrorist regime, and for
20:58you to even suggest otherwise is frankly insulting.
21:01Pretty strong response there. And remember, the stock market is soaring today.
21:07The oil and gas prices are collapsing.
21:10Yesterday, the left -wingers were telling you, and some people on the right as well,
21:15oh my goodness, President Trump's going to lead us to nuclear war.
21:18That was their talking point yesterday.
21:21Until a ceasefire was announced, and then they flipped to, oh, Trump's a coward, he
21:27won't follow through on anything.
21:30It was predicted. We told you that that was likely going to happen here, but
21:33it's just evidence of the fact that whatever the president does, they're going to attack
21:38him. He's bellicose and suggests that he's going to rain down holy hell on Iran.
21:43Oh my goodness, he's going to lead to nuclear war.
21:47Well, this is unacceptable. It is a moral, uh, moral collapse of American authority.
21:55And then Trump says, Hey, we've reached a ceasefire.
21:59And the response on the left is see, he's a coward.
22:03He didn't actually deploy nuclear bombs.
22:06They don't really have an opinion.
22:09They're just anti -Trump. And this is a posted by someone named, I don't know
22:13him personally, uh, drew Pablo.
22:15Uh, but I thought this was a good tweet and I shared it a little
22:19bit earlier because some people are saying, Oh my goodness, Iran won this war, right?
22:25There are people out there that are saying Iran won the war and drew Pablo
22:29here says, let's flip the scenario for just a moment.
22:34Imagine Iran killed Trump in the first five minutes of the war established air superiority
22:42over the U S mainland wiped out the entire U S air force, the U
22:47S Navy killed half of our cabinet flattened the U S military industrial complex, then
22:55started building runways in Missouri to land Iranian troops on our soil without losing a
23:03single casualty to rescue one of the few people that we had actually managed to
23:08shoot down. Would anyone say that was a U S victory?
23:12If we managed to keep the Panama canal closed somewhat, would anyone out there be
23:19like, look at this huge strategic victory?
23:21Um, I do think it's important sometimes to flip the script and analyze things though.
23:26That was well said, uh, by him.
23:28And I, and I think it contextualizes how much dishonesty you're going to get.
23:33I'll give you another one.
23:34I watch on the quad box, every screen so that I can see how stories
23:39are being covered. CNN and MSNBC, MSNOW, they have constantly, constantly been sharing the price
23:49of oil and gas, the, uh, impact of the stock market, all of these things.
23:54As I am speaking to you right now, the stock market is up around 1200
23:58points. The Dow, uh, the S and P 500 up around 3%.
24:03One of the most successful days imaginable on the stock market, the price of oil
24:08and gas has collapsed by nearly $20.
24:13There is not a ticker showing both of those on CNN.
24:17Neither of those have been featured at all during the entirety of the show that
24:21we have done today. Now, if you're going to cover when negative things happen to
24:26the stock market or when negative things, meaning the price goes up of oil and
24:30gas, if you were just an honest arbiter and broker of how the overall market
24:37was responding, you would have to cover when things go really well.
24:41And when things go really poorly, because that's what an honest journalistic enterprise would do.
24:47Neither CNN nor MSNBC is doing that.
24:50They aren't showing anything positive in the market reactions right now.
24:56Instead, uh, they are continuing to, uh, lead with so many different negative stories out
25:04there, even in the midst of all of this.
25:06Jimmy in South Carolina has been waiting a little while.
25:08Jimmy, what you got for us?
25:10Hey, I appreciate you taking my call.
25:12Listen, one of the things that I think that the American people are not going
25:15to be able to stomach is if we keep playing is wink, wink.
25:19I think Trump needs to go in.
25:20I love the president, but I think he needs to go in and get the
25:23job done because if we lose any troops in two weeks and then it holds
25:28off. And then again, we lose troops.
25:29I don't think the American people are going to stand for that.
25:32And the second thing is, well, hold on.
25:34Let me ask you, let me pause you there, Jimmy.
25:36What would you want to do?
25:37You'd want to put boots on the ground, go seize the uranium.
25:41What, what do you mean by finish the job?
25:43What would you want him to do?
25:45Well, whatever he has already in mind, what he was going to do, uh, before
25:49he put this ceasefire on, you know, I'm not a military expert, so I'm not
25:54going to, you know, try to say, I want him to go in and annihilate
25:57him. I'm not, you know, war hog like that, but I just think that they
26:00have a game plan. Stick with it.
26:02Don't, don't call an audible now, uh, on this because I don't think the American
26:06people are going to be able to go two weeks.
26:07We lose a troop or two.
26:08And then another two weeks we wait and then we lose some more troops.
26:12I think the American people want him to go ahead and do what he, that's
26:15what they voted him for.
26:16He's a man of his word.
26:17He says what he means and he means what he says.
26:19And the second thing is we may not be so lucky the next time if
26:22they shoot down a pilot, we may not be able to go in and get
26:25him or her out. And that gives them a lot of leverage.
26:29So I just think that we need to be careful.
26:31I need, I think we need to move forward and get the job done.
26:34Thank you. Uh, let's listen.
26:37I, I clipped this cause I thought it was also indicative of what you might
26:41be hearing. If you are out there, uh, in the larger marketplace, Lawrence O'Donnell on
26:48MSNBC, to be fair, I think it's officially MS now.
26:53Um, he's upset because Pete Hegseth keeps saying no man left behind when it could
27:01be a woman who is left behind.
27:02This is what you would have heard if you were watching MSNBC last night.
27:06That brilliant rescue was described by the secretary of defense and by general Dan Kane,
27:11the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff as a longstanding American.
27:15American military rule of never leaving anyone behind.
27:19We leave no man behind.
27:20That is, of course, the old school version of the idea back when only men
27:26flew American military planes. General Dan Cain, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
27:31put it this way. We leave no one behind.
27:34The general knows, unlike Pete Hegseth, that that could have been a woman they were
27:40trying to rescue. And it might be a woman the next time.
27:46I just, I can't believe this is real.
27:49And look, this is why I'm very anti -policing language.
27:54Because it's never done in good faith.
27:57Does Lawrence O'Donnell really think that if this had been a woman in an airplane
28:03that needed to be rescued, that Pete Hegseth would have not rescued her?
28:09That Donald Trump wouldn't have put all of the United States military might behind ensuring
28:16that we rescued. No man left behind.
28:20No one left behind. It just, no man left behind flows away better than no
28:26man or woman left behind.
28:28It's also a phrase that has been used for a very, very long time in
28:31military. Most people fighting in combat roles are still men.
28:37I just, of all of the things that you could be upset about, that you
28:43could decide that you need to address the phrasing there, I think is indicative of
28:49how Democrats have just frankly lost men and a lot of women.
28:52Is there a single woman in this audience offended by the phrase, no man left
28:57behind? That's where we are.
29:02Look, we'll come back and we will play some more of your talkbacks and we
29:06will also finish off the program with potentially a couple of your calls.
29:11But we actually are going to try something new.
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29:21Fast Growing Trees had a call recently and they were in disbelief, frankly, over how
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29:33It's a good thing. And we're doing something a little bit different here.
29:37This is producer Allie's idea.
29:38So if it doesn't work, then it's entirely her fault.
29:42If it does work, then I'm going to take all the credit for it.
29:44That's how this works. And I believe we have a talkback from one of our
29:50listeners, Lisa, who just moved to Brentwood, Tennessee, which is basically where I live, from
29:57California. And she had this to say.
30:00Play it. This is Lisa of Brentwood, Tennessee.
30:02I just moved here from California and I wanted some rose bushes.
30:05So I ordered them from Fast Growing Trees and they arrived and they are absolutely
30:11gorgeous. Big, lush, healthy, have buds on them.
30:15As soon as I can put them in the ground, I'm sure they'll be blooming.
30:19It's a wonderful product because they have more than trees.
30:23They have flowers, too. There you go.
30:26I have not ordered any flowers yet, but Lisa in Brentwood, Tennessee, calling in and
30:33saying she had done what we told you to do, which is go check out
30:36fastgrowingtrees .com. Use code Clay.
30:39You get 20 % off everything and you can have beautiful roses, plants, trees delivered
30:46right to your house with the Thrive and Alive guarantee.
30:50You're going to love it just like she did.
30:52Fast Growing Trees, code Clay.
30:54That is Fast Growing Trees, code Clay.
30:56Good job by producer Allie, which means I did a great job there.
31:00We'll be back to close off the show next.
31:03News, politics, sports, and a little fun thrown in there, too.
31:07Clay and Buck, it's a whole lot.
31:10Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
31:13Okay, let's get into a bunch of your talkbacks.
31:15I love the degree to which all of you fire away with these talkbacks.
31:19And we have got a ton of them.
31:22Allen in Charleston, South Carolina.
31:24Buck finishing up an event.
31:26But he agrees with Buck saying, what have we actually accomplished?
31:30Cut G. Buck, you are so right.
31:33Without regime change in Iran, really, what have we accomplished in the long term?
31:37Nothing. They'll continue to lie.
31:39They'll rearm with ballistic missiles.
31:41They'll get a nuclear warhead from North Korea or make one.
31:44They will. And their citizens will still be under the yoke of religious fanatics.
31:49So tell me what's really changed.
31:51Because until you get the religious fanatics out of there, the death to America crowd,
31:56we have not done anything.
31:59Okay, Steve in Florida also says Buck's right.
32:04Cut K. Hey, guys, this is Steve calling from Cape Coral in the free state
32:08of Florida. I agree with Buck.
32:09Buck, you're 100 % right.
32:11I'm as skeptical as you are about this.
32:13I really hope that Clay is right.
32:15However, my gut tells me that it is not.
32:19And that the people that we're negotiating with over there, while they may be the
32:23single A or double A third string, they're still part of the regime.
32:28Jay in Kentucky says Buck's too pessimistic, and I'm too optimistic.
32:35Cut in. Name's Jay from Kentucky.
32:40As a retired military officer.
32:42Name's Jay. Make. Laureate. Name.
32:43Everything. And image. I find myself usually agreeing with Buck on most issues, but the
32:48Iran issue, I find him way too pessimistic and underestimating our capabilities, although I do
32:55find Clay too optimistic, and I feel it will be somewhere in the middle, maybe
33:01towards Clay's side. Could I offer Clay that this could be now the Clay Travis
33:06and Buck Saxon show? Not too hot, not too cold, just right.
33:10There you go. The perfect porridge?
33:13A bunch more. Tony in North Carolina says, and this is something that I actually
33:20agree with when we ended up, I do think Iran is more willing to play
33:25the long game, and that is one of the plays here.
33:29And Tony in North Carolina, 106 .1 FM, says this.
33:33Clay, you're killing me. You're looking at this through a very American lens.
33:37They can endure the suffering more than we can.
33:41Remember Sun Tzu. Know the enemy and know yourself.
33:44You need not fear the results of 100 battles.
33:48Going Sun Tzu on us is kind of playing the proverbial military intelligence trump card.
33:55A lot of Sun Tzu and Clausewitz fans in this audience, I can tell you
33:58a lot. So, look, we will see.
34:02I guess my position is I think we're going to know a lot by tomorrow
34:09when it comes to the Strait of Hormuz.
34:11How many ships are coming through?
34:13And remember, saying it's open is different than people trusting that it's open.
34:19Because I will say, if you own a $100 million ship, your company does, or
34:26you are the CEO sitting at the top of the flow chart who has to
34:30make a decision, do we go or not go, that requires trust, right?
34:34And you have to believe that the Iranians are being honest, or the Americans are,
34:40or anybody else you're negotiating with.
34:41When they say, hey, you're good to go now, that's a little bit nerve -wracking.
34:45My wife won't even trust the sell -by date on the chicken that's in the
34:49fridge if it has been open for a day or two, such that I'm the
34:54smeller of the raw chicken.
34:56Do you have this job, too, ever?
34:58She won't trust the sell -by.
35:00I'm like, honey, the sell -by date is fine.
35:01My wife doesn't trust that I can smell anything.
35:04She says, smell the chicken.
35:06And I say, okay, I'll smell the chicken.
35:08My point is, that's the kind of precaution we take in this household on raw
35:12chicken. I can't imagine moving God knows how many gallons of oil through a war
35:18zone. That's risky stuff. It's not just enough to be told it's okay.
35:21The sell -by date may not be good enough.
35:24It's hard to go to sleep, I would imagine, on an oil tanker when you
35:29are going through an active war zone.
35:32And you know that if somebody tosses a cigarette in the wrong direction, the whole
35:36thing can go up in smoke to say nothing of what could happen with drone
35:41warfare in some way. Let's close with a positive here.
35:46You've got some Parks and Rec fans, Buck.
35:48Cut B. This is Danny in Los Angeles.
35:51I just got home from work, put on the show, and in the third hour
35:55I hear Buck drop a Parks and Rec reference to The Reasonablists, which was a
36:00great throwback, Buck. I have to admit, that was very fun to listen to.
36:06And I don't think you look like Ron Swanson, but I think we can agree
36:10that the way Ron thinks about government on that show, I think we can both
36:15agree that's a nice way to think about it.
36:18Clay, can I just tell you a couple?
36:19First of all, Danny, thank you for the shout -out on this one.
36:22I learned about Parks and Rec because when I was assigned to work in the
36:25Intel Division, the NYPD, there was one of my colleagues who came up with me.
36:29She's like, I feel like you think this place does nothing but fail.
36:32You're like the Ron Swanson of the Intelligence Division.
36:35And I had no idea what she was talking about.
36:37Also, comma, people don't think I look like him.
36:40They think I look like Adam Scott, the other guy.
36:44Oh, yeah. Is that really?
36:47Is that real, guys? Oh, man, are we going out on that one?
36:50Oh, I don't know. Adam Scott, the golfer, is really good looking.
36:53That's not a bad. Masters is starting.
36:55That's somebody you can be compared to.
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