Hour 2 - Sen. Rand Paul
4/14/202637 mincomplete
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck's second hour.
0:07Kicks off now. Thank you for being here.
0:08We started off talking about the latest with Iran, the state of Hormuz, Trump negotiations,
0:13J .D. Vance, all of that, but also the Swalwell political collapse and now possible
0:21criminal charges on the horizon.
0:24I think you'd have to say that is certainly something that could come down in
0:29the days ahead here, an absolutely ignominious, I think that would be the problem.
0:36Very well, yes. Thank you.
0:38Ignominious collapse really into the abyss for Eric Swalwell, who was thought to just be
0:46the likely, almost shoo -in, Democrat nominee and therefore Democrat governor of California going forward,
0:54which is clearly a stepping stone for a Democrat to be president because Gavin Newsom,
0:59we all know, is gearing up for that, and that would make sense from the
1:04perspective of American politics. Buck, he ran for president.
1:06He was on the stage with Joe Biden and, remember, said that Biden was too
1:10old to be president back in the 2020 primaries.
1:14I had forgotten that, honestly, until you reminded me of this, that he had run
1:18for president. And it also goes to show you, I think, Clay, he was so
1:23unserious as a presidential contender that maybe you could say that was why more of
1:30this didn't come out then.
1:31But he was being talked about as the next governor of California.
1:34And now there's a lot of interesting theories out there about the timing of this,
1:38who pushed this. But this is a public, or rather, an annihilation of a politician's
1:47future that has occurred all at once here, very rapidly.
1:51And he has a new accuser.
1:53Remember, these are named accusers.
1:55They're coming forward. They're on the record.
1:57A new accuser here, Lana Drews.
2:00This is 32. Yes, we have 32.
2:03This is Lana Drew. She just had a press conference as we were on air,
2:07so we were trying to cover this as it was happening.
2:09Play 32. I had contact with Eric Swalwell on three separate occasions after meeting him
2:16socially. He offered me connections to further my software company, and I also had an
2:22interest in local politics. He invited me to two public events.
2:27I knew he was married at the time and that his wife was pregnant.
2:31He was my friend. On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink.
2:38I only had one glass of wine.
2:40We were supposed to go to a political event, and he said he needed to
2:44get paperwork from his hotel room.
2:47When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated, and I couldn't move
2:53my arms or my body.
2:55He raped me, and he choked me, and while he was choking me, I lost
3:02consciousness, and I thought I died.
3:05I did not consent to any sexual activity.
3:11Clay, this is very, this is devastating allegation in public for sure.
3:18Yeah, again, I don't know.
3:19The audio was not super crisp.
3:21I don't know if we can do a better job of getting the audio in
3:25the event that some of you couldn't hear very clearly because I didn't hear it
3:28that clearly. But, again, she just had that press conference in Beverly Hills, and what
3:35she said, if you did not hear that very well, again, she said she met
3:39him because she was interested in politics, met him twice, knew he was married and
3:44was pregnant. His wife was pregnant.
3:47Had one glass of wine, believed she was drugged, went back to his hotel, and
3:55said basically she was incapacitated and did not consent to sex.
4:01We'll open up phone lines, by the way, and let people react to this, but
4:06this is a whole different level than what the allegation the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
4:13This is publicly accusing a congressman, former, has he already resigned?
4:19Has that taken effect? Yeah.
4:20A former congressman and former gubernatorial candidate and former presidential candidate for the Democrat Party,
4:26this is accusing him of being a premeditated sexual predator.
4:30Yes. This is the kind of thing that gets people sent to prison for the
4:35rest of their lives. So this is very serious, and this is way beyond even
4:41what the earlier allegations were, Clay, I think, in terms of the legal jeopardy that
4:47he may face. Now, it's an accusation.
4:49He denies it. We should go on the record and say, because we still believe
4:53in the system in this country, Eric Swalwell denies any non -con...
4:56He clearly had sex with these women.
4:57That he has not denied, or some of these women.
4:59But he says never was non -consensual, and he did not rape anyone.
5:03And that is his position right now.
5:06But his political future is over.
5:09Now, again, I will be the defense attorney here, because I immediately think through stories.
5:14The one we just played for you, she went to his hotel room.
5:20He said he needed to go get something.
5:25she went to his hotel room i think can i can i jump in there
5:29with something real quick defense real quick though you're eric swalwell my wife let's say
5:33i'm eric swalwell for the purposes conversation i'm a congressman my wife is pregnant i
5:38have a woman that's i need to go up to my room i go up
5:42to the room and tell her please wait in the plush comfortable lobby yes because
5:47it's inappropriate it's inappropriate for you to come to my hotel room in the middle
5:53of the day so i can get papers she's not as personal security detailed she
5:56doesn't need to be there with him so he's got if this is how this
5:59went down he's got a big problem because they might have footage of this in
6:03the hotel i mean who knows now again this is where she says it happened
6:06in 2018 so i'm so if i were working through this again this is me
6:12looking at it as an investigator as somebody who would you know have been involved
6:17in uh defending cases like these the time unfortunately right for the truth of the
6:23matter the toxicology report would not exist obviously now presumably right presumably there is no
6:30toxicology report she didn't go report that she felt uncomfortable because i think and some
6:36of you may have looked through this i think you would be able to find
6:40a drug like this in the system i think i i honestly haven't been involved
6:45in investigations where the you know rape drugs were involved i think you probably would
6:50maybe not um but certainly seven years later it's entirely he said she said all
6:56of this is he said she said right so uh her allegations are incredibly significant
7:03i would think would merit um a uh charges being brought in los angeles because
7:11i think buck and team you can look this up i think they basically did
7:15away with sexual assault terminal statutes of limitations i know in new york they did
7:19which is how you know trump has ended up having to defend himself for things
7:2425 years ago or whatever the heck it was i by the way i also
7:27think that that's this i disagree in principle with the elimination of the statute of
7:31limitations because then it truly makes it impossible for you to do it with the
7:35exception of murder but as we've always said murder there's a murder thing happened there's
7:38a dead body we know that the thing happened if i'm yes exactly right on
7:42all that that's why there is no statute of limitations on murder because we know
7:46that the crime 100 percent happened if i'm defending eric swalwell and like this is
7:51not a job i would want but it's almost impossible seven or eight years later
7:56for him to prove that he's innocent even if he was 100 percent innocent of
8:01a crime here um and look what they did to trump too by the way
8:05they tried to hit trump with inappropriate touching or something i mean remember and there
8:09are great there are very clearly statutory distinctions between like a forcible rape versus you
8:16know grabbing yes and those we all understand those are big differences in terms of
8:21the severity you know of of what has occurred but they would accuse trump you
8:25know of trying to like forcibly kiss women or something 30 years ago how do
8:29you prove you didn't how do you prove you did or did not kiss someone
8:3230 years ago or tried to kiss someone 30 years i mean this is where
8:35in but like i said new york and california have decided to go with the
8:38believe all women thing which for swalwell did it largely so they could go after
8:42trump trump yes i mean that's the the whole reason new york redid this to
8:46a large extent um and remember the eugene carroll accusations against trump again this is
8:52why i always look at all these things skeptically try to be rational i don't
8:57believe all women i don't believe all men i think that is absolutely absurd that
9:01it was ever considered to be a thing that anyone of any intelligence would say
9:05but what they said about trump was that he uh raped and sexually assaulted her
9:10in a dressing room at neiman marcus or bloomingdales you may remember the specific uh
9:17uh department store in new york some high -end uh new york department store like
9:22she was a shop uh assistant but then the jury and nobody even talks about
9:28this hardly the civil jury that uh that decided that trump was liable uh for
9:34that accusation said that he didn't rape her but that he did sexually assault her
9:41they did like midway and this is the problem of civil juries is because they'll
9:44go well you know i won't do the big thing but i'll do the you
9:48know not too hot not too cold just right i'll go with the middle thing
9:51and that that's not really how this is supposed to work but that is what
9:55happens sometimes with a civil with a civil jury in particular so that those these
10:00accusations are out there and it is um you know very very serious and i
10:05would bet in los angeles that it would be hard for him not to face
10:10these charges now is he going to be found reasonable uh guilty beyond a reasonable
10:15doubt between you and me buck i think that's a high standard here because unless
10:19she has some evidence to support her allegations uh she went back to his hotel
10:26room i'm sure eric swalwell's defense i mean first of all he could say i've
10:30never slept with this woman this is totally made up i have nothing to do
10:33with this i mean i don't know what his defense is going to be most
10:36of the time the defense is well that was consensual sex she says she has
10:40text messages photos you know evidence of the relationship um i would imagine he will
10:47say it's consensual and again to your point she went up to his hotel house
10:52room and once you're in a hotel room and the door closes how can you
10:56prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what did or did not happen not a
10:59toxicology report here don't presume that she went to say i was raped the day
11:04after and had some sort of uh check done can i just note these are
11:08already factors yeah we're already entering the is swalwell if he gets charged is he
11:15looking at serious prison time for a very serious criminal sexual offense this is another
11:21way of saying wow this guy's political career is absolutely by the way that is
11:25a that is not just his political career buck i mean he's got three young
11:29kids whatever you think about it i do i will say i do feel badly
11:33for the kids honestly the kids i mean the kids did nothing wrong and their
11:36lives are now upended too and his wife i mean presumably she hasn't done anything
11:40wrong uh other than marry eric swalwell in the first place but i mean to
11:46your point buck i mean his political career is certainly over what job is he
11:50going to get right i mean you know i mean would you hire i think
11:54his job right now is to deal with perhaps to try to avoid charges he
11:59might have something sometimes they'll bring as you know they'll bring you in with your
12:01attorney yeah speak to the district attorney to hear your side because the decision to
12:07bring charges in a case like this is huge in and of itself meaning yes
12:10the damage that is done to somebody for just being accused of this is enormous
12:15well you know by by a by a prosecutor so but he's trying to i
12:19think he's just trying to stay out of prison at this point is my exactly
12:22that's my point like most of the time when people drop out of congress they
12:25just go become lobbyists and make a lot more money nobody's hiring eric swalwell to
12:29do anything right now so not only is he his political career over he's unemployable
12:36and he may be facing multiple years in prison and defending himself and again we
12:42come back to can i also do the comparison clay real quick of why did
12:47blasey ford do what she did democrats pretended to be stupid on this um so
12:52she could be on the cover of magazines which she was so she could get
12:54a book deal which she did so she could go on the speaking circuit so
12:58she could you know it was very clear what's what's the what's the personal advantage
13:04this would come up in a trial what's the personal advantage that this woman would
13:06get swalwell does not have money you know what is the uh you know she's
13:11not yeah go ahead i will take the next step are you really telling me
13:15that nobody in democrat circles knew about eric swalwell's behavior like i just don't buy
13:22that you could be in the engaged in the behavior that he was and that
13:27others in the political realm oh no it weren't it was widely known that has
13:31already come out it was widely known they didn't care yeah and now some of
13:35this to be fair i think they didn't know about some of this i think
13:39these sleeping with staffers being too handsy maybe even rumors about the the pics being
13:44sent to people but this is this is this is intense sexual predator stuff this
13:50has gone to a whole other level dark allegations to be sure um look uh
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15:20clay travis buck sexton show senator ran paul gonna join us at the bottom of
15:25the hour um but i wanted to play those cuts i think we got the
15:30audio a little bit cleared up for you because i think a lot of you
15:33were having trouble hearing that um and i wanted to make sure that we got
15:38it here it is i had contact eric spalwell on three separate occasions after meeting
15:45him socially okay stop well let's just pause that do we have the additional clip
15:51let's see if this audio is better because that audio is not better we're gonna
15:56have to uh go into our 1996 windows software and eventually get reliable audio uh
16:05but here is cut 35 attorney lisa bloom saying buck i think this is significant
16:11three other women have also contacted her with accusations against swalwell over the last 24
16:19hours and i think what you said is super significant buck because unlike in kavanaugh
16:23where each new accuser was less credible and none of them were ever credible so
16:29far right now these seem to be moving in the direction of more credibility cut
16:3335 how many people have reached out to you that you just mentioned um and
16:38have you heard from mr swallon says he's going to fight these allegations um three
16:43other women have reached out to me just 96 software did not load at all
16:47at that time um we will eventually play um yeah the reality of the kavanaugh
16:57accusers the third kavanaugh accuser who was the craziest one the one who they had
17:02to stop putting on was that the gang rape accuser who was like uh her
17:06name wasn't swall it was like it was like sweat well or something i can't
17:08remember her name sweat nick i think sweat nick was yeah yes yes sweat nick
17:12um and she though she was like well when i came back from college i
17:17was at a party with these high school boys including kavanaugh and they drugged and
17:21gang raped all these girls the high school party everyone was like so you're a
17:25college like you're an adult yes who's going back to high school parties and you
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18:58all right welcome back in here to clay and buck kentucky senator rand paul joins
19:03us now senator appreciate you making the time for us sir glad to be with
19:07you thanks for having me uh all right you would not have i think this
19:12is fair to say if not by all means correct me you would not have
19:16uh called for the bombing campaign in iran and uh did not did not agree
19:21with it from the start it has been going on it is now at a
19:23ceasefire moment if you can take us just fast forward us in this process to
19:28how you think this is going now how do you assess the status of this
19:35ceasefire the current negotiations basically how do we end this thing and get out of
19:40this thing as you see it i think the one thing we can all agree
19:43with is that we'd love to see freedom for the iranian people we'd like to
19:46see the regime fall there are other questions though about the advisability of the war
19:51how you go to war the constitution and our founding fathers are pretty clear that
19:55when you go to war congress needs to vote they said that to declare war
19:59or to initiate war it would be the congress that declares this now some have
20:04said well there are exceptions to that and one of the exceptions is that if
20:08we're imminently to be attacked you know someone's shooting at one of our ships or
20:12we're imminently under attack the president can make some immediate decisions even under that circumstance
20:18though the founding fathers wanted the president then to ask for permission from congress even
20:22if he responded or she responded immediately in this case though the adversary nation the
20:28country that we've been at odds with is 47 years in the making it's a
20:31little hard to make the imminence argument the other argument is well we have to
20:35stop them from having a nuclear weapon well i think all of us want that
20:39but our intelligence reports uh really showed no evidence that they were changing or getting
20:45closer to a nuclear weapon we have 18 different parts of our intelligence agency all
20:50telling us about the same thing that there really hadn't been a reconstitution of a
20:54nuclear program there was essentially where they were when we blew them up uh six
20:59months ago and the president said at that time the nuclear program was obliterated so
21:04there are many arguments for why we should do it constitutionally then there's also another
21:09argument about practically whether or not we'll be better off right now economically the price
21:14of oil has gone up tremendously people are noticing at the gas pump i think
21:18it's going to be bad electorally for the party the party already faces a very
21:23difficult election and really frankly i think the soldiers that put their lives on the
21:27line deserve uh to have a full a fulsome debate and uh a vote on
21:32the floor of the senate and the house before we go to warm no doubt
21:37we're talking to senator ran paul uh from kentucky there's a big decision decision that's
21:42going to be made soon in terms of who's replacing mitch mcconnell in your state
21:47uh Big primary decision. There's also a big battle.
21:51Thomas Massey is is also got to to see what's going to happen in the
21:56primary there. What are you seeing and hearing from Kentucky voters?
22:01You just mentioned the midterm.
22:02What are you seeing as the primary driver for the primary?
22:05It's going to happen in about a month there.
22:08I think people understand in Kentucky that you can be supportive of Donald Trump, as
22:14I am, and also supportive of Thomas Massey.
22:16I think Thomas Massey is the most conservative, most constitutionally oriented person in the House.
22:22He's fearless. He's the head of the Liberty Caucus.
22:25He's also the head of the Second Amendment Caucus.
22:27And so I am all in for Thomas Massey.
22:30I've campaigned for him several times.
22:32We'll continue to do so.
22:33And I think it's important to have independent voices.
22:36You know, people want a rubber stamp and they say, will you support the president
22:40100 percent of the time?
22:41And then the other candidate says, no, I'll support him 150 percent of the time.
22:46No, I'll support him 200 percent of the time.
22:48You leave yourself wondering, are they conservative?
22:51Do they support a balanced budget?
22:52Do they support the Constitution?
22:54Do they support the Second Amendment?
22:55So to me, it's not so much about fidelity or faithfulness to one person.
22:59It's about fidelity and faithfulness to the Constitution, to conservative values, to limited government, to
23:05balanced budgets. And I think Thomas Massey is unparalleled in being the best defender of
23:10the Constitution currently in the Congress.
23:15Speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I appreciated the if I could circle
23:19back on this for a second, your feelings about the overall Iran conflict.
23:23But right now there's a negotiation happening.
23:25Are you hopeful for this negotiation actually ending the conflict?
23:31What would you advise Trump, Vance, the others who are making decisions on this to
23:36do to stop this? Because I know you want this war over.
23:39I think that's very I would have known that before you said it.
23:41You don't want us to be continuing to bomb them.
23:44You don't want the Strait of Hormuz to be under threat.
23:46Do you see a way forward or are we just looking at months of instability
23:50here? I don't know that anybody knows the answer yet.
23:54I think the sticking point really is the Straits of Hormuz.
23:57Will the Iranians give in?
23:59Will the Iranians say that we won't develop a nuclear weapon?
24:01I think actually they will negotiate on that.
24:03They've been willing to negotiate on it before.
24:06It's whether or not they're believable in the negotiations.
24:08As far as the Straits go, our decision to blockade it will now be something
24:15that militarily will be decided whether or not we can do that.
24:18I think we probably can.
24:20We've removed mines from it.
24:21We have the capability to do that.
24:23The missiles they shoot are very, very close to us.
24:26So the way we intercept missiles is I think we're better the farther away they
24:30shoot the missiles from. The closer they are, the more difficult it is to intercept
24:34missiles. So militarily, we'll see what happens.
24:37I hope for the best.
24:38I hope that they will negotiate over the Straits and that we will move forward.
24:43I don't like the idea of us continuing forever to control the Straits of Hormuz
24:47and charging a fee, as some have indicated.
24:50We're controlling it jointly with Iran and charging a fee.
24:54I think it's unknown what will happen.
24:56The big sticking point really now is what will happen with the Straits.
24:59While the Iranians are completely defeated, their military is completely defeated, I don't know that
25:04the people are necessarily defeated.
25:06And in some ways, the new regime, there's a question whether or not they're going
25:10to be more compliant or less, whether it be more radical or less radical.
25:16Some say that the radicals that were killed off may be well replaced with even
25:20people more radical. We're talking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
25:23I know you've got a big hearing on the Second Amendment that's coming up.
25:27You're in Washington, D .C.
25:29I know we've got listeners all over the country that have weapons, have guns.
25:33And when they drive from one state to another, they're worried about what the rules
25:38are, what the laws are.
25:40And I do think this fact point should get more attention than it has.
25:45Thankfully, we set an all -time record low for murders in 2025.
25:49I think you probably could speak to this because I'm pretty sure it's factually connected,
25:55but there hasn't been much discussion about it.
25:57We also have record numbers of firearms in the hands of American citizens.
26:02That is, never before have there been more guns in the hands of American citizens.
26:07Yet in 2025, we set what may well be the lowest murder rate in the
26:11history of the country. What can you tell us about the Second Amendment?
26:14What does that say about lawful guns in the hands of gun owners?
26:18And how frustrating is it to you that you're in Kentucky, I'm in Tennessee, we
26:23drive to Florida quite a lot.
26:25The rules are different depending on what states we go through to get to Florida
26:29from where I live in Nashville.
26:30That seems crazy to me.
26:33Well, the statistics are pretty clear that lawful gun owners and people who carry weapons
26:39actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than the general public.
26:43Most of the people who are lawfully owning guns are actually some of the most
26:46law -abiding people you'll meet.
26:48Most people carry weapons for self -defense and are actually some of the best citizens
26:52we have. The Second Amendment or the right to own guns, to me, is a
26:56natural right. It's God -given.
26:58It's the right to self -defense.
27:00It's codified in the Bill of Rights.
27:02And really, you should have a constitutional right to carry.
27:05In Kentucky, you do. We no longer have a concealed carry law.
27:09We have a constitutional carry, which means the Constitution protects it.
27:12So I'm for a national constitutional carry.
27:15such that if you go from Tennessee and you drive up to D .C., you
27:20may well want self -defense in D .C., but right now it's difficult because D
27:24.C. basically bans people from having guns.
27:26It's difficult to own a gun or to bring a gun into D .C.
27:29But I see guns as self -defense.
27:31Everywhere I go, the people with me are armed.
27:34I'm often armed. And I think that it's something that is the idea of self
27:41-defense to me is a God -given right that shouldn't be infringed.
27:44Senator Paul, obviously everyone knows as well that you were on that baseball diamond when
27:51a bad guy had a gun who was trying to shoot you and other members
27:56of Congress, did shoot Steve Scalise, who had to fight for his life.
27:59So your thoughts on the Second Amendment, I mean, there were fortunately, I believe it
28:04was actually a woman, a female member of Capitol Police, right?
28:07But there were the proverbial good guys with guns there to handle the situation.
28:11But to your point about D .C.
28:13versus Virginia, you really can't go into the district with a gun.
28:17And so people who are law -abiding are disarmed.
28:19And people who want to harm others, like that maniacal shooter on that day, they
28:24enter into situations knowing that they're effectively dealing with what is either a gun -free
28:29or a very limited gun zone.
28:32Yeah, and I think when you look at crime, John Lott's written several books on
28:35this, but when you look at crime, most of the crime that is committed with
28:40weapons is committed with weapons that are not legally bought.
28:43These are guns with the identification mark scratched off, and they're sold in and traded
28:48hands in the black market.
28:50So of legally owned guns, very, very little crime is committed with that.
28:54Almost all the crime in the U .S.
28:56is with illegally traded guns.
28:58So making more gun laws and making more guns illegal doesn't necessarily affect the crime
29:03rate. What it does is it just affects those of us who are law -abiding
29:06who buy guns for self -defense.
29:10We get asked about this all the time, the SAVE Act.
29:13What's going to happen? What should happen?
29:16Is anything going to progress in any way there in terms of a resolution?
29:22We're talking with Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
29:26I'm a co -sponsor of it.
29:27I think it should be a minimum to vote in our country that you have
29:30to present an ID. Another problem we have besides the ID is also this idea
29:35of voting by mail. In our state, we went ahead and got rid of voting
29:40by mail for the most part.
29:41Ninety -seven percent of Kentuckians vote in person.
29:44We still have about five Republican or battleground states that haven't done it.
29:48So while I'm for a national ID to be shown for voting in national elections,
29:53I think we should also have a push because we may not get enough votes
29:57to pass it in the Senate.
29:58We should also be pushing at the state level.
30:00So Utah, Arizona, Alaska, Iowa, West Virginia, all Republican -leaning states, maybe except for Arizona,
30:08still don't have sufficient voter ID laws, and they also mail ballots to everyone and
30:13keep mailing them and mailing them and mailing them and soliciting voters who normally don't
30:18have the energy to get off their couch.
30:20And so I think we need to keep addressing it national level.
30:23If we're not successful there, I think the next step is to go to the
30:27five remaining Republican or battleground states, and let's change the laws in those states to
30:32have better voter ID laws.
30:35Tomorrow is tax day, a day that many of us hate.
30:38I've got some data here that I thought was interesting.
30:42IRS, top 1 % of income tax filers contribute about 40 % of the overall
30:48revenue. Top 10 % pays 72 % of all the revenue.
30:53Top quarter, 87 .2%. Bottom half pays no federal income tax.
31:00Yet Democrats are going to be all up in arms and continue to be that
31:04tax rates need to be raised.
31:06Your thoughts? I was on The View one time, and I don't recommend it, but
31:12I was on The View, and I told the ladies that people under $50 ,000
31:16don't pay any income tax, and they all started squawking and yelling at me back
31:21and forth, and they wouldn't listen to it, but it is a fact.
31:24Under $50 ,000, you don't pay income tax.
31:27Particularly husband and wife and two kids, the standard deduction is $50 ,000, so you
31:32don't pay under $50 ,000 the income tax.
31:34When people say on the left, when Bernie and other people on the left say,
31:39oh, the rich are not paying their fair share, it's the opposite.
31:42The rich are not only paying their fair share, they're paying most of the income
31:45tax. You're exactly right. Top 1 % paying 40%, almost half of the income tax.
31:51Top 10%, 70%. So, yes, the wealthy, we have a more progressive tax code in
31:57our country than they do in Sweden.
31:59So we have plenty of taxes.
32:01We have too much. But we also have a spending problem.
32:04So even with all the taxes we pay, we have this massive deficit.
32:07But what we don't need is more revenue.
32:09I don't want more taxes.
32:11But we do need to cut spending and cut it dramatically.
32:15Senator Rand Paul. Senator Rand Paul, thanks so much for being with us.
32:18Appreciate you, sir. Thank you.
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34:00Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton's show.
34:03Our thanks to Senator Rand Paul, who just joined us, should mention on video.
34:08We're working towards having three hours of live video of this program, in addition to
34:13the 600 AM FM stations out there, and all of you listening now on satellite
34:17radio, Channel 123 as well.
34:20Soon, you will be able to watch all three hours of this show on video,
34:27should you so desire, which I hope will work and also be fun for you.
34:34So we will see how exactly all of that shakes out.
34:37Here is cut 35. This is the attorney, Lisa Bloom, who is representing the Swalwell
34:45accuser, saying three other women who have not gone public yet have contacted her in
34:51the last 24 hours. So, Buck, I think this story may be very far from
34:57being over so far, and unlike the Kavanaugh case, as you pointed out, where each
35:02of the accusers became less credible, so far, many of these accusers are becoming more
35:07credible than the initial accusers.
35:10Here is cut 35. How many people have reached out to you that you just
35:13mentioned, and have you heard from Mr.
35:15Swalwell who says he's going to fight these allegations?
35:18Three other women have reached out to me just since I announced to this press
35:22conference yesterday. I have not heard from Mr.
35:26Swalwell, no. Buck, this is, I mean, an implosion the likes of which I'm not
35:32sure we've ever seen before in the world of politics, from frontrunner for governor, a
35:37guy who ran for president of the United States, even if it was a ludicrous
35:40campaign, mostly known for going after Joe Biden, to now I expect that he will
35:47face criminal charges over sexual assault before all is said and done.
35:52Yeah, it's the biggest political collapse, I should say the fastest political collapse I think
35:58we've ever seen for somebody I think that's right.
36:01I mean, you could say Anthony Weiner was a member of Congress, and then he
36:05tried to run for mayor, and that actually made things even worse for him, so,
36:10and this is on a whole other level, too.
36:13The allegations that are being made here could send Swalwell to prison for a long
36:17time if they were proven in a court of law, so he maintains his innocence,
36:20but we'll see where all that goes.
36:24Clay, where are you going to take us in the third hour?
36:25We'll talk more about stock market near record highs, the Iran blockade, but also we'll
36:30have some fun with Buck's allegation assertion on pants, believe it or not.