The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Why God Allows Suffering — Shannon Bream Breaks It Down
3/31/202625 mincomplete
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0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome back to The Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get to the
0:06heart of the issues that matter to you.
0:08Today, I am thrilled to welcome Shannon Bream to the show.
0:12She is a colleague of mine, a Fox News anchor, also just one of the
0:15kindest people you'll ever meet.
0:17God's light really does radiate through her.
0:19But she's also the author of her fourth straight New York Times number one bestselling
0:24books, Nothing is Impossible with God, out now you can go get it.
0:28It's a powerful book. She dives into the stories of 11 biblical heroes who have
0:34faced fear, failure, waiting, doubt, and pain, all the things that we experience in our
0:39own lives. Yet they discover that with God, nothing is impossible.
0:43So we're talking real -life encouragement for anyone feeling stuck, weary, that they're not enough.
0:49And we're going to talk about how God works through these imperfect people, turns their
0:54pain into purpose, and shows up even in our longest in -between seasons where we
0:58feel like we have been waiting for forever.
1:01So stay tuned for the great Shannon Bream.
1:09Well, Shannon Bream, it's such an honor to have you on the show.
1:12You are one of the kindest people in the industry, and I'm so happy for
1:17you. You've got another number one Times bestseller, which is not an easy thing to
1:21do. So congratulations. Thank you.
1:24You know it's a team effort, and I've got to say our Fox Books team,
1:27which has launched this just a few years ago, has just had amazing success with
1:31this. Well, and no doubt because of a lot of books that you've written as
1:35well. I'm really interested in talking to you about this new book, Nothing is Impossible
1:39with God, because it's so relatable on so many fronts.
1:43We've all got issues. We've all got issues.
1:44Yes, we do. And your book really gets into that using these different examples to
1:50sort of let us know that we're not alone, both historically and biblically.
1:54So we'll just start off.
1:56You say nothing is impossible with God.
1:58You know, for someone right now who is listening and just feels stuck right now,
2:02what does it look like in real life, everyday life, that nothing is impossible with
2:06God? You know, these 11 stories from the Bible that I included, they all include
2:10moments of that. And, you know, Ecclesiastes says there's nothing new under the sun.
2:15So whether it's a physical challenge, a financial challenge, a broken family, feeling oppression, your
2:20own failures, I mean, all of those things, I think, translate into 2026.
2:24So we've all walked through things like that.
2:27I would not have chosen the really dark, hard valleys in my life, but I
2:31can see with some retrospect what God was up to and what he was working
2:35on. So my hope is that when people dip into these characters, meet these people,
2:39they may feel like, okay, I'm walking through something similar.
2:42I can see how there is good that could potentially come from this.
2:46And maybe my prayers aren't answered exactly the way that I want.
2:49We see that in the Bible, too.
2:50But God is always listening and answering our prayers.
2:53And he is working at a level that sometimes we can't understand in the worst
2:57of those moments. And I think what's really special, too, is, and you tell these
3:02stories as well, but God uses imperfect people.
3:06And I think those testimonies actually go really far with people, right?
3:12Because there are so many people who are saying, I can't be a Christian, I've
3:14messed up, I've done X, Y, and Z, what have you.
3:16And then, no, God uses imperfect people throughout the Bible.
3:20And you tell those stories as well in Nothing's Impossible with God.
3:24Why do you think it's so important that God used people who were imperfect?
3:29Well, it's good news for all of us because then it means that us as
3:33sinful, flawed people who often feel like, oh, I've messed up so much.
3:37God couldn't love me or he could never use me.
3:39He gives us example after example in the Bible.
3:42And I find that so encouraging personally.
3:45Like, we're never beyond the reach of his redemption or of his kindness or of
3:49his fellowship or of his love, most certainly.
3:52And I think Peter's one of the stories that I included that is the best
3:56illustration of that because he was so close to Jesus.
3:59He was in that inner, inner circle with him.
4:01And yet he even got things wrong.
4:03Sometimes he didn't even really realize who Jesus was, even though he walked so closely
4:07with him. And there were times, too, that he was, you know, he was such
4:11a passionate, fiery guy. Like, he's spoken, you know, just extremes, like always and never.
4:17Like, when Jesus told him at the Last Supper, you're going to betray me, Peter
4:20just couldn't fathom that he would do that.
4:22And he's like, never, never, Lord.
4:23Even if I have to die with you, I would never do that.
4:26And yet it was just a matter of hours later that he did that.
4:29And it broke his own heart.
4:31It crushed him that in the moment when his friend needed him, going off to
4:36that sham trial and to the crucifixion, that, you know, he was the one who
4:41turned his back on him.
4:42So instead of being true to his friend, he betrayed him just as Jesus said
4:47he would. And I've often thought, you know, that weekend before that first Easter resurrection,
4:51how brokenhearted Peter must have been, not maybe understanding that Jesus was going to come
4:57back and defeat death and sin, rise from the grave.
5:00I mean, he probably felt like, how in the world could I have done this
5:04to him? But when Jesus does come back, he doesn't say, hey, you're totally disqualified.
5:09You left me. You betrayed your faith.
5:11He doesn't do that. He goes to Peter and he talks him through lovingly, bringing
5:15him back, repairing that relationship, and then obviously using him to build the early church.
5:20He'd renamed Peter the rock.
5:22He was the rock of the early church.
5:23So I... I love that every single one of these people is flawed because then
5:27it means that, you know, us being flawed, we can be part of God's plan,
5:30too. Well, yeah, and even if you're walking closely with Jesus, you can still fall.
5:34Yes. There's even redemption for that as well.
5:38So this next question is a little bit, I ask it selfishly.
5:43It's about periods of waiting.
5:44You know, a lot of these figures that, you know, they didn't have instant breakthroughs.
5:48They had long periods of waiting in life.
5:50What do you say to people who are in those in -between periods who, you
5:55know, they've got these dreams and these desires and they haven't quite gotten there yet?
6:01Listen, I can totally relate because I think sometimes people will look at your life
6:04at the moment it is now, the snapshot in time, like, oh, you're successful and
6:08this is working and that's working.
6:09When everybody who gets to that place has had failures and will have other failures.
6:14And I had times of waiting where I just felt like I was beating my
6:16head against a brick wall.
6:18Like, why is nothing working?
6:20All these things, I'm working hard, I'm believing, I'm praying, I'm trying, and I'm just
6:24stuck, like, grinding in neutral.
6:26And whether that's personally or professionally, I think we all can relate to periods of
6:30that. And, you know, I think about that in the Bible over and over again.
6:33We see people who are waiting for God to answer.
6:36I think about, you know, Hannah in the Old Testament when she was desperately wanting
6:40a child. You know, we see her in prayer in the synagogue, weeping and so
6:45overcome with wanting this child that the priest essentially kicks her out.
6:49He thinks she's drunk. Like, get out of here, drunk woman.
6:51And she's like, no, no, no.
6:52You don't understand. You know, I'm just pouring out my heart in this brokenness over
6:57wanting this precious child, which eventually came to be.
7:00But it just reminds us that, you know, there are times of waiting where we
7:04learn patience. I often tell the story about getting fired for my very first TV
7:09job. And it was not pleasant.
7:10I would not have chosen that.
7:12I do not recommend getting fired, but I spent months and months and months looking
7:16for my next job, for somebody to take a chance on me.
7:19And there was a lot of time there to pray and say, like, all right,
7:22Lord, I know you're teaching me something in this, but this is really painful to
7:25not have a paycheck, to feel like I've blown up my whole life.
7:28My career is destroyed. I get the waiting period, but I can look back on
7:33it now and see that I was actually learning things.
7:36And sometimes my fixed goal, I got to learn them the hard way.
7:40Well, Shannon, we share that in common.
7:42I was also fired. It was kind of my fault because I gave them an
7:46ultimatum and I was younger and I thought I kind of like had the cards
7:49and then they're like the other one you're fired.
7:53Relationships, too. Like, if you don't do X, Y and Z, then I'm out of
7:56here. And they're like, well, I guess it's not going to work.
7:59It's deeply humbling. And I honestly think it was one of the best things that
8:02ever happened to me. And I learned I learned it was a character building lesson.
8:06Hey, character building. That's a good way to put it.
8:10Exactly. I think it's healthy, but don't force it because, you know, I deserved it.
8:15We also in that vein, you know, we experience self -doubt.
8:19You know, so many of us feel even even if you're you're riding high and
8:23things are going well, there's still that doubt.
8:25Like Moses questioned whether he was capable.
8:28So walk us through that, that, you know, even the strongest people, the most capable
8:32people still struggle with, am I good enough?
8:35Can I do this? I have to feel God's calling.
8:39Exactly right. They don't often start that way.
8:41A lot of these people were able to meet them where they have enormous self
8:45-doubt and fear about what God is calling them to.
8:47We see that with Gideon and with Moses.
8:49They're some of the best stories for looking at that particular principle.
8:53And what it requires is stepping out in faith on the next thing, just the
8:57next thing. I mean, if God told us our whole story, we'd probably be overwhelmed
9:00by every dip in valley and a mountaintop that would happen in our lives.
9:05And, you know, when Moses, you know, God comes to him in a burning bush.
9:09And I think we'd all freak out.
9:11I'm just going to speak for myself.
9:12I would definitely freak out in that moment or these times where an angel shows
9:15up to people. But instead of Moses saying like, Lord, okay, you send me.
9:20I'm going to go, as we see some faithful people do in the Bible.
9:23Most of them have a little bit of apprehension on the front end of their
9:26story. And Moses is like, I can't speak.
9:28I'm not the person. You've got the wrong person.
9:31We're essentially telling God he's wrong.
9:33You know, we're going to argue and reason with God.
9:35Like, nope, this assignment or what you've chosen me for can't do it.
9:38You got the wrong person.
9:39But God doesn't abandon them there.
9:41I think he works them through.
9:43And with Gideon, you see his story too.
9:45He meets them where they're at.
9:46He understands their fear as human beings, and he provides for them every little step
9:50of the way. But they've got to take that next little step of faith.
9:53So when you have self -doubt, I mean, that's definitely one of the things that
9:57we all have to work to overcome at some point.
10:00But if you know God is with you and leading you, trusting him takes faith.
10:04That's what it is. That's what faith is, is stepping out where we don't see
10:08the guarantee of success or of some happy ending.
10:11But just trusting that he has a purpose in that journey.
10:15And so both in Moses and Gideon, we see enormous, enormous growth in their faith
10:20and their trust. And everything that God told them, you know, when Gideon is met
10:24by the Lord, God addresses him as mighty warrior.
10:28And Gideon's anything but. I mean, he's hiding out.
10:31He's trying to do his work in secret.
10:33He's afraid. And he too tries to argue with God.
10:36Nope, I'm not the guy.
10:37But by the end of it, he has turned into that mighty warrior.
10:40And by the end of it, Moses is this esteemed, brave leader.
10:43So they might not have started out that way, but through taking those steps of
10:47faith, that's where they ended up.
10:49You know, and we see two.
10:51Um. how god shapes us through pain um we've experienced this recently as a country
10:58even just uh witnessing you know charlie kirk get murdered and a lot of people
11:03will say well how could god allow that i mean you look at charlie kirk
11:07someone who uh really lived lived out his faith bravely you know he he wore
11:13it on his heart his sleeve is you know and um followed the bible and
11:17so it's like how does god allow things like that so what is the bible
11:22and and what do you write about in your book about how god sometimes uses
11:25that pain to shape us yeah i mean i share a little bit of my
11:30own story i always think you know the more transparent and vulnerable we are with
11:34each other that's really the best way to relate to each other and to be
11:37of some help and so i had serious health struggles myself and for a period
11:42of almost two years lived in just chronic pain that was often a 10 out
11:46of 10 going doctor to doctor trying to get a diagnosis and feeling really really
11:51depressed and despondent during that and just crying out to the lord if you know
11:55at one point okay if you're not going to heal me if that's not your
11:57plan with this um i kept thinking about paul and corinthians where he has that
12:01thorn in his side and he's like all right i've asked you and the lord
12:04has said no three times i'm not going to heal this um i just said
12:07if you're not going to heal me i have to understand and accept that but
12:10will you lead me to somebody please at least lead me to the right doctor
12:14and within a very short period of time got to the right doctor got the
12:18diagnosis i deal with a cornea disease that's genetic it's not there's no cure for
12:23it but this doctor has been amazing and through god's grace has provided me a
12:28way to live with this and to be pain free most of the time and
12:31to get the treatments i needed and all of those things to manage this but
12:35that gave me a lot more empathy for people who are suffering when you live
12:38in that place it's just very dark so what i felt like god was growing
12:43me closer to him most certainly there was a deeper fellowship there in his presence
12:48in that valley there's an empathy to really care more about other people's suffering in
12:53that and you know joseph is included in this book nothing is impossible with god
12:57and if there's anybody who faced injustices may we be you know as faithful as
13:01joseph was i mean his brothers hated him they were jealous he was the dad's
13:05favorite they decided they were going to kill him and then they like no let's
13:09just walk back one step from that we're going to sell him into slavery into
13:12a foreign country where we'll never see him again who cares what happens to him
13:16and then we're going to let our father think that he was killed by wild
13:18animals i mean it was just so deceptive and devious and he you know he's
13:24such a man of honor he continues to rise to the top wherever he is
13:28planted and then at one point when he's risen to the house of you know
13:31managing the household of one of the top leaders in egypt he's falsely accused by
13:36the wife of sexual assault goes to prison for that not having done it he's
13:40there for years he meets someone along the way that he helps them and they
13:44say when i get out of here i am going to make sure that you
13:46get out of here they totally forget about him so it's like 20 years of
13:50joseph facing injustice after injustice which makes absolutely no sense on paper and yet at
13:56the end of it what we see is that his brothers come back where he
13:59is now the number two in egypt he's again risen because of his integrity and
14:03his faith in god and there's a famine all through the land his brothers come
14:06looking for food joseph is in a position they don't recognize him he's in a
14:12position to save his family that's the family that's the hebrew people the genesis of
14:16israel and he's placed in that place in time to do that and when he
14:21finally reveals himself i can't imagine the freak out that his brothers had i i
14:25mean to ask questions about this one day in heaven i just have so many
14:29but what you know what joseph says he's graceful and what he says to them
14:33is what you meant for evil god meant for good so when we can't understand
14:38the evil of this world the horrible things that happen i have to believe that
14:43god is working and man joseph we don't see in his the account of his
14:48life ever where he turns on god and says how are you letting this happen
14:51to me i don't know that i would be that faithful but he's really an
14:54inspiration that when evil bad things are happening to you there can be good working
14:58through it yeah i'm unfortunately i'm a little bit more stubborn than joseph you know
15:03but it just kind of goes to show you that you know faith and god
15:07um you know doesn't insulate you from like the pain and the suffering of the
15:12world but it does give you the strength to walk through it um talk a
15:17little bit more about that yeah i mean again like you said none of us
15:22is going to be immune and you think about the verse for this book is
15:26when jesus is talking to his disciples and he says you're going to have trouble
15:30in this world you know he doesn't sugarcoat it he says you're going to but
15:33take heart because i have overcome the world and that's a closing chapter in this
15:37book nothing's impossible with god because jesus overcomes everything that could ever threaten or harm
15:43us he overcomes sin and death and what i love is that because he walked
15:48this earth fully man fully you know god at the same time we know that
15:53he understands our suffering we know that he knows what it's like to be tempted
15:56and exhausted and disregarded disrespected and um i mean physically tortured and beaten i mean
16:03he understands all of these things so while we don't get a pass as you
16:08know a believer as a faithful person and i used to think as a kid
16:11like all right if you do everything right you do all the sunday school lessons
16:14you know you behave yourself you don't run off into you know crazy rebellion your
16:19life is gonna be easy, but that's just not true.
16:22And anyone who preaches that to you is not faithful to God's word.
16:25But what he does promise us is that we'll never be abandoned.
16:28We'll never be alone. And at my deepest, darkest moments, you know, when I left
16:33the doctor's office, finally having a diagnosis, but him telling me there's no cure for
16:37this, I was just so despondent, sobbing and sobbing in my car thinking, I just
16:43can't go on. And trying to understand, you know, God, where are you in this?
16:47And feeling him say, not audibly, but unmistakably in my spirit, I will be with
16:53you. Not, I'm going to heal you.
16:54This is all going to be fine.
16:55I'm going to wrap this up in a neat bow, but I'll be with you.
16:59And he is faithful to be with us through whatever we walk through.
17:03We're never, ever truly alone.
17:06And that's been a great piece to me.
17:08And like you said, the painful times, I think as much as I'd like to
17:11think, oh, when I'm riding high and on the mountaintop, I can be spiritually growing.
17:15You can, but there was a different kind of growth that has happened for me
17:18in my darkest moments. Yeah.
17:20I mean, I went through some health challenges last year and fortunately was just dealing
17:25with some dizziness. And fortunately, you know, they figured out what was going on with
17:28me, but it was really scary.
17:29And to your point, it's challenging and frustrating when there's the unknown and you don't
17:34know what's going on with you.
17:36And, you know, you're trying to get to the bottom of it and figure it
17:38out. I've got to take a quick break.
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17:47You know, a lot of people ask, well, then why does God allow his people
17:50to suffer? Yeah. And I do think that's the hardest question.
17:54Certainly one that I get from people who are searching and questioning faith, even faithful
17:58people. And I've had questions with that too.
18:01I don't think it's an easily answered question.
18:03I can only say this, you know, the world that God created for us, the
18:07original plan, which I believe in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve was
18:10they were in constant fellowship with God.
18:12It was a beautiful thing.
18:14I mean, there were no barriers, there was no sin, there was no deception.
18:18And that's the world he created for us.
18:20Now, the world we have is this fallen world, which is full of evil.
18:24I believe good ultimately does overcome evil.
18:28That's how this story ends.
18:29That gives me hope in the midst of it.
18:31But the suffering in the here and now is really difficult to understand.
18:35God has given us free will.
18:37And that means that people make choices.
18:40And many times they are choices that hurt other people that are devastating and that
18:44are evil. And so our world is so imperfect and so broken.
18:49So for us to find hope in the midst of that, I think is a
18:52really kind of miraculous thing.
18:54I don't know how people get through this life without faith.
18:57If you felt like, gosh, this is so broken and hard and evil, but there's
19:01no hope, it'd be tough to get out of bed in the morning.
19:04But for me, I think, you know, God understands he sees, he's trying to move
19:09us to a place where all will be made right.
19:12Every tear will be wiped away.
19:13That time is coming. It's not yet, but it is coming.
19:17Yeah. I mean, my biggest struggle is probably, um, is, um, I'm impatient.
19:25Yes. Shannon, my dad's favorite thing is just to text me back patients period.
19:30And I'm like, I mean, and is that not so hard?
19:32And you know, I joke all the time about like, don't pay for patients because
19:35then you're going to be put in situations where you develop that muscle.
19:38I mean, that's the thing about faith is that I find sometimes I'm like, Oh,
19:41I don't want to walk through this painful or uncomfortable thing or this delay.
19:45But I know that you, you know, you don't work out by not going to
19:48the gym. I mean, you have to test and, and, and strengthen and tear down
19:52the muscle to actually build it.
19:54So be careful praying for patients, but I'm with you.
19:57I mean, that's, you know, people are like, don't you ever lose it?
19:59I'm like, Oh yeah, you should see me in my commute, in my car.
20:03If there were a camera in there, I would be so canceled and wiped off
20:07the face of the earth.
20:07Cause I just, patience is not one of my best qualities, but I'm working on
20:11it. Yeah, I know. I'm, I always think I'm in the driver's seat and then
20:14I'm quickly reminded that I'm not.
20:17Exactly. And that's such a good thing for us to remember.
20:19Now I think it can be comforting too, because gosh, I don't want to be
20:22running this universe. I tend to be a micromanager.
20:25Like I, I'm like, if I don't do it, it's not going to get done
20:27correctly, which is not true.
20:28And certainly I'm not running the world.
20:30So thankfully God is, he's perfect.
20:33He knows everything. He loves us perfectly and he's just, and he's wise.
20:38And that should be someone running the universe, not me.
20:41You know, we're seeing, we're seeing some young people come back to Christ.
20:47But we have seen sort of like a consistent downward trend of people who believe.
20:52So what do you make of where we are spiritually right now as, as a
20:56country? And obviously some good news there with some young people returning to faith.
21:02Yeah. And you know, I followed the last couple of years, these huge revivals.
21:05I'm sure you have too, that are happening on college campuses and talk to a
21:09lot of people who've been behind those.
21:11And, you know, it was the wife, Tanya Pruitt of an assistant basketball coach at
21:15Auburn, who a few years ago was, you know, having a Bible study and mentoring
21:19young students on campus. One thing sort of led to another.
21:23They start having these gatherings and, you know, it turns into thousands of kids showing
21:28up on these, you know, secular college campuses, singing and praising and worshiping, sitting and
21:33listening, looking for hope to these mass baptisms.
21:36I mean, there's definitely something happening with young people.
21:39And, you know, I talked with Erica Kirk not long after Charlie was killed and
21:43said, do you think that there was a revival that was happening with Charlie?
21:47Charlie was killed. Part of this is his death now sparking a new part of
21:50this revival. What is it?
21:51And she's like, something was already happening there.
21:53And, you know, her hope has been that young people and people of all ages
21:56who you remember how there were churches that were packed, that were running out of
22:00parking places, that were giving away free Bibles.
22:03I mean, all of that in the weeks after Charlie's death.
22:05And I've heard from a lot of pastors and people that their attendances stayed up,
22:10maybe not to the peak that it was right after he, we lost him, but
22:14people who dug in, started asking questions felt so inspired by him and so, you
22:19know, hurt and by the tragic loss that they really started looking for answers.
22:24And so this thing that's been happening on college campuses the last few years and
22:28Charlie's movement and all of those things, I think young people see that, you know,
22:32social media and the life of an influence and all these things, they're hollow.
22:36I mean, you may have fun.
22:37Of course, there are all kinds of things that are fun in the short term
22:39that do give you some endorphins or some kind of high or some kind of
22:43approval, but they turn out to be very empty at some point.
22:46And I think young people are desperately looking for something authentic.
22:50And I've talked to people on college campuses, too, campus pastors, campus rabbis, campus priests.
22:56They're all saying that there is some return to faith for young people who are
22:59looking for something that is much more lasting than what the world has been able
23:03to give them. Yeah, a real purpose in life.
23:06Shannon, is there anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go?
23:10Whatever you're facing in life, I just pray that, you know, you'll be encouraged.
23:14Nothing is impossible with God.
23:15It's about encouraging you, but about equipping you, too.
23:18There are practical things there.
23:19And again, these can be external things.
23:21I mean, people are actively working against you.
23:23We all see that in life.
23:25But also people who have self -doubt and their own failures.
23:27The rebellion in the case of Jonah, who God told him to do something, he's
23:30like, nope, I'm going the exact opposite direction.
23:32It's easy to judge him until I realize, like, oh, yeah, I've done that, too.
23:36So hopefully people will see themselves.
23:38They'll be encouraged, but also equipped with some practical things.
23:41You know, there's sort of a mini sermon that Moses gives the Israelites when he's,
23:45they've left Egypt. God has set them free from these centuries of slavery there.
23:51And Pharaoh has finally let them go.
23:52And then he changes his mind.
23:53So they're looking at the Red Sea, which is a no -go for them.
23:57And they're looking behind them.
23:58And here comes Pharaoh's army.
23:59And Moses, who started out so afraid, gives kind of this two -verse little sermon
24:04there, which is kind of, don't be afraid.
24:07Stand firm. Watch for God's salvation for you.
24:11Be still, and he will fight for you.
24:13And I think those are all things that I break down in the book and
24:16flesh them out that, you know, they're totally applicable in 2026 when you face a
24:21Red Sea and you're wondering how you're going to get through.
24:23So I hope that you'll be encouraged, but also find some really practical things, too,
24:26in the book. Nothing is impossible with God.
24:29Yeah, New York Times, number one bestseller.
24:31Shannon, I'm so happy for you.
24:32You're just one of those people where God's light really does radiate through you.
24:35You're just, you've always been so kind, so nice.
24:38So I'm so happy for your success.
24:41Thank you. Yes. I mean, it's all about him.
24:43And so I'm just glad to be the messenger pointing people in that direction.
24:46And Lisa, I hope I see you in person.
24:47I know. I would love that.
24:49Hope to see you soon, Shannon.
24:50Grats on your success. And thank you so much for making the talent for the
24:53show. I really appreciate it.
24:54God bless you. That was Shannon Bream.
24:56Appreciate her for taking time to come on the show.
24:58Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
25:01throughout the week. Also want to thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting the show
25:05together. Until next time.