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0:11I won't lie, I am nervous to talk to you.

0:15Come on. Just like me.

0:16How can you be nervous?

0:17That's ridiculous. Like I came in slightly intimidated.

0:20Why? I actually don't know the answer to that because we've never met.

0:24Yeah. So it's not like you've intimidated me, but I just, I'm really, um, I

0:30think I, what I really enjoy about your show is just such an eclectic perspective

0:35on so many diverse things and it comes like so naturally to you.

0:39Um, I really admire that.

0:41Well, fortunately I don't have anybody pick my guests, so it's all people that I'm

0:46actually interested in talking to.

0:47So it's easy. It's just stuff that I'm interested in.

0:49Oh, that's nice. Well, thank you for picking me.

0:51Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you.

0:53Your movie is fucking crazy.

0:56It is. I knew it was a pirate movie, but I just did not expect

1:00the ultra violence. Like from the beginning, I was like, yo, like I locked in

1:06immediately. I was like, first scene.

1:07I was like, holy shit.

1:09Like, this is crazy. Well, thank you.

1:11That's a good thing, right?

1:13I mean, when you're doing something that's that hyper -violent, like, is that, does that

1:19freak you out at all?

1:21Like, you're cutting people open with swords and stabbing them in the neck and it's

1:25like, holy shit. When you're doing it, you know, it's like make -believe.

1:30So it's so much fun to be like, yeah, I'm playing pirates and I'm going

1:33to behead you. So, but, I mean, in moments of like scenes and stuff where

1:39I actually had to think about what it must have been like to be a

1:43female at that time or because they existed.

1:46Women, female pirates existed and we just, we didn't hear many, much about stories about

1:50them. I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe Mary Reed, like a few famous

1:58ones, Ching Shi, after I did my research.

2:02But like, in those moments, you're like, this stuff must have, like, this was real.

2:06They lived at a time where it was survival of the fittest.

2:10It was barbaric. And I wonder what that must have been like.

2:14But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like, I really have so much admiration for

2:20the amount of precision it requires to pull that stuff off from so many people,

2:27not just the stunt department, but like the cameras, because they're also moving in sync

2:31with you. Yeah. And that's cool.

2:34It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the moment when all that is

2:39happening? Because you have so much coordination and so, there's so much choreography.

2:45There's like, he's going to swing this way and you're going to block it and

2:48you're going to dive down.

2:49It's like, it's so complex.

2:52Like, these are long, extended fight scenes.

2:54We had, like, a lot of oners too, like, full, the whole scene in one

2:59shot. Whoa. Which Frankie, our director, really loved the idea of and I honestly love

3:04it because it brings you into that, that moment is so enriched with everything that

3:10you're supposed to feel between action and cut.

3:13So, I do love a long oner.

3:15But, you know, I come from Bollywood movies.

3:18So, we have a lot of choreography for, like, dance sequences where stories are also

3:25moving forward, like, between, you know, your exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else.

3:30You come back. Like, so, I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing.

3:35It's, you learn the choreography but that doesn't stop your face from telling the story.

3:40Right. That makes sense. Yeah.

3:42Yeah. And, I mean, it is kind, I mean, it's just choreography.

3:47Whether it's choreography with dance or choreography with movements with your hands and swords.

3:51I had never worked with blades before this movie though.

3:53That was cool. How much training did you have to do?

3:56Like, when you found out that you're going to take the role, how much preparation

4:01did you have to do physically to get ready for all that stuff?

4:03It was a cool year for me because I was filming three jobs which were

4:07all action and stunts. So, this movie called Heads of State which I did for

4:13Amazon again and then Citadel and this movie.

4:15So, it was a year of three action -packed jobs.

4:19So, the, you know, being agile and being in it was already part of what

4:23I was doing because that's what I was filming every day.

4:25But, the swords training was tough and to be ambidextrous with it as well.

4:31So, I had my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with me.

4:36She, in between shots, she and I would just take our rubber swords out and

4:40do like choreography and rehearsals.

4:42But, like, it took at least three or four months of just staying in it

4:46and getting loose with it.

4:48Also, because Karl Urban, my co -actor, had, casual, learned how to do like sword

4:55fights in The Lord of the Rings.

4:57So, he was amazing at it.

4:59So, I didn't, you know, in that last duel, I didn't want to be any

5:03less than. So, I kind of went at it.

5:06No, you look very good at it.

5:08It was really good. Thank you.

5:09I was, like, did you work with some sort of, like, a kendo specialist or

5:14some fencing specialist? Like, how did you learn how to move the sword correctly?

5:19It wasn't kendo, for sure.

5:20It definitely wasn't fencing. It was uniquely, because the swords were, our director was very,

5:27very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting to get it really right

5:30from the period, whether it was the guns that we used or the blades that

5:34we used. And the machete was one of my favorite weapons in the movie, because

5:39that's, like, her weapon in the movie, because it's practical.

5:43Use it for coconuts. Use it for skulls.

5:45Same, same. And that was really fun.

5:48But our, you know, second unit director, Rob Alonso, had so much experience in the

5:56amount of work that he's done prior.

5:57He came in with a very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting style

6:02super unique, and each set piece, like, a different design of choreography.

6:07So, you know, there was one which was in a...

6:10Dark Caves, the only time you saw people was when the gunshot went off and

6:13just different styles of fighting, which I thought was really cool.

6:18So, but did you have like a professional trainer that taught you how to do

6:21that? Yes. And so how would you do it?

6:23Would you do it with a real sword?

6:25Well, we had three different kinds of swords.

6:27The real sword like weighs more than me.

6:29It was insane. I couldn't do it with the real sword as much.

6:32But for filming, and this is the magic of the movies, you know, you have

6:36four different weights of it.

6:37One is like the real sword where you need it for like, you know, where

6:41it's a close up or the sword is really, really visible.

6:45But when you're doing the big choreography, you have like a lighter sword, which is

6:49created by the props department and then another lighter one.

6:52And when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one.

6:54I'm telling you all my secrets.

6:57That's good. It's good to know.

6:58That sucks. Oh, no. Here I was trying to impress you with my sword flipping.

7:04No, it's impressive, period. And talking about my fencing.

7:07But no, it was movie magic.

7:09One of the things that I was thinking when I was watching it is like,

7:11how many takes did you have to do with this?

7:13Because that's got to be so hard to do.

7:15Because you're swinging this gigantic iron thing.

7:18Yeah. And clashing into other ones.

7:20And like, if you have to do three or four takes of this, your arms

7:22are going to be toast.

7:23Oh, we did like 10 hours of it every day for like seven days or

7:27something. Do you have shoulder problems after that?

7:29No, actually, I didn't. But I was jacked.

7:33My arms never looked as good.

7:35Now, I mean, I have a four -year -old and I lift her a lot.

7:37So my arms are like, all right.

7:39But during this movie, because we were just like at it.

7:42And we both, you know, threw ourselves at it, Carl and I.

7:47And it took, it was a big choreography on top of this bluff.

7:50We shot on 100 % of this movie.

7:52At least 90 % is definitely on practical sets, real sets.

7:56We did not want to use a lot of VFX.

7:58So, you know, Phil Ivey, our production designer, we built the ships.

8:02We built the house. We built, everything was a replica of what it would have

8:07looked like in the 1900s in the Cayman Islands.

8:09We went and saw it.

8:11It was amazing to be able to do that with real stuff, you know?

8:14Yeah. Well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating.

8:19And one of the things that the movie is about is this, the Carl Urban

8:23character is from, he was one of the soldiers of the East India Trading Company.

8:28Then I went on a deep dive on the East India Trading Company.

8:32You did. That is crazy.

8:34When you learn the history of that, one corporation is one of the first publicly

8:40traded corporations that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, went to war

8:50with China over opium. And that's how they took over Hong Kong.

8:54You're like, holy shit. One crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade, the opium

9:01trade, just a corporation, a publicly traded corporation.

9:04People could buy stock in it, like one of the first ones.

9:06And it just went haywire to the point where it got so big.

9:10There was a revolt. And then the British government took over it and nationalized it.

9:15But it's, the whole story is insane.

9:18If you think about how much in their minds they were able to achieve and

9:25how much they were able to destroy in that duration is crazy if you go

9:30down history. Changed the course of countries forever.

9:35Human lives forever. Forever. Like the amount of pillaging that happened.

9:39Yes. Millions and millions of lives.

9:41And this movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they were capable of

9:47doing. They utilized pirates in order to, you know, take over new lands, right?

9:54And in their conquests. And then when piracy was abolished, they, you know, went after

10:00them and they wanted to arrest them and they vilified the same people that helped

10:04them build their entire empire.

10:06So this was really interesting because my character's story, her parents and her family are

10:13indentured servants, which was the truth of many, many people, especially in India, where young

10:19people were, you know, told better opportunities, new lands, more money, come with us and

10:26take them off as servants and then drop them in different parts of the world,

10:31in islands. And the Caribbean has a huge Indian community whose history started with just

10:39being displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere else in the world and then having

10:43to figure out what your future looks like.

10:45I mean, it still happens to many, many people around the world right now.

10:49But I thought it was really interesting that my character came from that and her

10:54entire identity was erased, taken from her.

10:58She had no idea. She was 12, so she had no idea what it meant

11:02to have that identity. And I met so many people, actually, when I went to

11:05the Cayman who don't know anything about their family tree beyond, like, five generations.

11:12Or they know where their family may have come from, from Sri Lanka or from

11:17India or, you know, any other nation, but have no idea what, like, what it

11:24was, where, from what village, like, what was your culture.

11:29And that ambiguity in a history of a human being erases a part of you.

11:35It denies you of knowing the depth of your culture or where you come from

11:42or your roots. And I thought that was really, really interesting for my character to

11:47play and then reclaim herself through the journey of the movie.

11:52Well, it's a fascinating part of human history.

11:54Yeah. And it's taken place all over the world.

11:56And for a lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of exactly what happened

12:06before they were colonized. Yeah.

12:09Like, one of the great examples is Mexico.

12:10I went on a long, deep dive on Mexico recently over the last few months,

12:15because I've had a bunch of people who are historians who came on the podcast

12:20who were just researching these ancient Inca and Mayan sites and talking to them about...

12:24And then I went into it and it's like, there was over a hundred different

12:28languages that are just lost forever in that whole, what is now called Mexico.

12:35And that's the reason why everybody over there speaks Spanish and is Catholic.

12:39Like, it's not because that was their language and that was their religion.

12:43They were all conquered. Absolutely.

12:45I mean, by like 600 guys.

12:48That's what's nuts. Yeah. 600 guys in the 1500s came over, took over, you know,

12:55what was the Aztec Empire with help of the people that they were in conflict

13:01with and changed the course of the entire country.

13:05It's so many generations for forever.

13:08Like to this day, people in Mexico think they speak Spanish and they have a

13:13Catholic religion. Well, that's all brought over from Spain, like the entire country.

13:17They had wild names, too, like Cacao, Thunder, Sky God and all these different, like

13:23almost like Native American type names.

13:26They looked like Native Americans.

13:28But if you think about it, doesn't that make sense?

13:30That makes so much sense.

13:30Yeah. They probably like shared land and crops and like.

13:35Well, there was no real.

13:36There were no borders at that time.

13:37No, back then. I mean, what were countries in the 1500s in North America?

13:43Like what was, we don't even know.

13:45Like what was North America like?

13:46I mean, I think about how young America is technically.

13:49Super young. Like how many years?

13:51300 years? 400 years? Yeah.

13:53Less. Less than 300 years.

13:54Yeah. And like you were talking about history in India.

13:59She has been invaded over thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

14:04Only invaded. We've never invaded anybody else.

14:08She's not had the time.

14:09India's like, just give me a break.

14:11Like, yeah, the Portuguese, the British, the Mughals, like from back in time and the

14:19history of India. I mean, I'm not a historian and I don't claim to be,

14:22but I find it really fascinating.

14:23I love culture and especially the culture of India.

14:26Like, you will see my grandmother was Catholic because she comes, she was raised in

14:32a part of India which was colonized and a lot of people with Kerala, a

14:36lot of people were converted into Catholicism and she grew up Catholic and, you know,

14:42she followed it for a very long time in her life.

14:44India is like hyper diverse because of how many people have kind of made it

14:53her roots. So when you go to India, the amount of diversity you will see,

14:57the kind of the range of people that you will meet is impossible to fathom.

15:02Like an Indian face does not look like a particular person or the amount of

15:06cultures, the languages we have written and spoken languages, which are almost like 20 something

15:13or in their 30s. Absolutely different alphabet.

15:17Absolutely different sound. I can't, if I go to another state, I won't be able

15:21to understand what people are saying.

15:22Wow. It's amazing. Wow. How many different languages are spoken there?

15:28About 28 to 30. But there are dialects in their hundreds.

15:32Oh, wow. Don't even get into the dialects.

15:35I just speak English and Hindi, understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi, but

15:40it's really amazing. Now, but...

15:44Have you ever been, by the way?

15:45No, I haven't. Oh, Joe, you have to, you would, you would really, like, you're

15:48the kind of guy who likes a deep dive, you would really lose yourself, I

15:53think, in an amazing way.

15:54Well, I want to go just to see, for many things, but just to see

15:58that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone.

16:02Oh, yeah. It's one of the great mysteries of archaeology.

16:05But there are quite a few if you go, especially south of India and the

16:09caves, if you go inside the Andaman and Nicobar, like the caves, you'll see from

16:15thousands and tens and thousands of years ago, illustrations that you're like, how did this

16:23happen? How could this temple have been chiseled?

16:25Or how could, you know, these stones have been moved at that time?

16:30It's just, it makes you, it made me very, very curious about, like, what kind

16:34of tools did we have back then?

16:36Well, there's a lot of holes in human history.

16:39Yeah, for sure. You know, Graham Hancock has a great quote.

16:41He says that we are a species with amnesia.

16:45And I think that's accurate.

16:46And I think when you find some of the great archaeological wonders, where people just

16:53have decided, oh, they built it this way, and then just let it go.

16:56And then other people start looking at it and go, wait a minute, how?

17:00How did they do this?

17:01Like, when did they do this?

17:02Like, what's the historical record of this?

17:04Because this is kind of nuts.

17:06This seems to indicate, like, a very advanced, sophisticated society.

17:10Yeah, a very advanced civilization.

17:12Like, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the

17:18Indus Valley civilization, which is the north of India.

17:23And I just remember studying about it in school, and that's my maximum understanding of

17:30that civilization, but also, like, having visited the Indus River, I guess.

17:34But I remember, like, the artifacts that were found.

17:39And, like, if you do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then

17:45how it was erased, and, you know, it makes you question, like, there had to

17:51be some seriously advanced, like, scientific understanding that was eventually lost as, you know, as

18:00human evolution happened, where we lose a civilization and then comes back again.

18:04But it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would

18:11have had to be to do all of that.

18:13100%. Without the technology and stuff that we have, I mean...

18:17I think they had technology.

18:18I think they had a different technology.

18:20I think so, too. I think they had to.

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19:28This one particular temple that I'm talking about, Jamie, do you know the temple I'm

19:33talking about? The one insanely massive one that's built into the side of a mountain?

19:37Khaleesa temple. This is it.

19:38This is crazy. This is what I meant.

19:42Because the precision, first of all, there's no, like, understanding of where the stone went.

19:49Like, they moved, who knows how many...

19:51And how did you take out all of those tons of rocks?

19:54Yes. It's so insane. The precision is spectacular.

20:01It's so nuts when you see, like, videos of people going through it.

20:05How huge is that? Immense.

20:06Absolutely immense and incredibly precise.

20:10And just carved out of a solid piece of stone.

20:15The whole thing is carved out of the mountain.

20:17Think about how old that is.

20:21Like, this is all BC, before Christ, like, thousands and thousands of years.

20:26Yeah. BC. And the history of India, like, hence the diversity.

20:30You see, it's a, it's one of the oldest civilizations in the world.

20:34And then, like, how do you explain that?

20:36Look at that image. So it says it's 12, what does it say?

20:39How old did it say it was?

20:401200. How do they know that?

20:42I can't be right. 1200 years old?

20:45See, there's a lot of just estimates based on what was the civilization at the

20:50time. Yeah. And there's no, like, this is the thing with Peru.

20:54Like, Sacsayhuaman and a lot of these places would be attributed to the Incas.

20:58But you see, like, traditional Inca structures on top of these immense stones that are

21:03a hundred tons. They're carved in these weird jigsaw patterns as to absorb the energy

21:09if there's an earthquake. Wow.

21:11Like, it's weird shit. And it's like, okay, well, who did that?

21:14So, like, oh, the Incas did it.

21:16Like, how? How'd they do that?

21:17Because all their other structures are smaller stones stacked on top of each other in

21:21a way that, like, you could see a person carrying them and cutting them.

21:24Makes sense. But there's a lot of stuff like that, Temple.

21:27Like, explain to me what you used.

21:30There's no explanation. Like, how?

21:33Like, just metal? Did you just use metal and carve that out like that?

21:36And, like, just a chisel and human...

21:38And if you fuck up once, it's over.

21:40Because you're not putting things on top of things.

21:43Like, oh, this block sucks.

21:44Let's get a new block.

21:45No, you're carving. Do you change the design if there's a fuck up?

21:48Like, you know what I mean?

21:49If you're trying to build, like, a human form and you chisel off the nose,

21:55like, do you turn it into something else?

21:57I don't know. Probably. Otherwise...

21:59Because it's just one piece and you're right.

22:01You're not adding anything to it.

22:03Well, in Egypt, there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces because they cracked.

22:07Because when you're dealing with, you know, granite and there's certain...

22:14Specifically, there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving out.

22:17I mean, I think it was, like, 1 ,300 tons.

22:20Like, something bananas. Like, okay, how are you going to move this fucking thing?

22:23But they got to a certain point where there was a crack in it.

22:26And so they had to abandon it.

22:27And so it's still there.

22:28And it's just there? Yeah, it's still...

22:29I think that's in... It might be in Aswan.

22:32I'm not sure where it is.

22:33Do you know, like, you know, the theories around the Egyptian pyramids, obviously?

22:39Like, how were those blocks carried up?

22:43There's no valid theory. Zero.

22:46How was it in that shape?

22:48And so precisely, geometrically, you know?

22:51Well, it's even more complicated now.

22:53Because there's an Italian scientist that we had on recently called Filippo Biondi.

22:57Am I saying it right?

22:58Biondi? He's... Amazing accent, this guy.

23:01He's fucking incredible. But he's using...

23:05What is it? Radio Doppler tomography.

23:08So it's a type of satellite imagery that uses some technology to get a vision

23:17of what's under the ground.

23:18And they've used this successfully to show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids.

23:27And they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a

23:311 .2 -kilometer mountain and see underneath it this particle collider and have an exact

23:37dimension of the particle collider and see what the...

23:40So they used this on the pyramids.

23:42And? And they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer

23:49into the ground with massive...

23:52These huge 20 -meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them.

24:02No one knows what the hell they're looking at.

24:05But they're in very precise positions.

24:07They've done over 200 scans of these things.

24:09They don't know what they are.

24:10They don't know what's the purpose of all this, who made this.

24:15So this turns out to be accurate.

24:17And they're very confident that it's accurate.

24:19And they're starting to look into it deeper.

24:21And they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and explore with

24:26drones or something. Then the whole thing gets thrown into question.

24:32Because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able to cut and place 2

24:38,300 ,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west.

24:43Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons.

24:46Tons, which is insane. They come from 500 miles away through the mountains.

24:50No roads. Like, how'd you do it?

24:51That's crazy. That's craziness. If there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the

24:58ground, and there's a giant, huge square at the bottom, they don't know what it

25:05is. But these are structures.

25:06These are not something that is just a naturally occurring stone.

25:09Yeah, it was man -made.

25:11Show her an image of it.

25:12It's fucking kooky. So what?

25:14Is that like how— So these are these columns.

25:17This is like what the images are showing, and the three -dimensional replication of what

25:21they think is—that's what they think it looks like underneath there.

25:26They have no idea what these things are.

25:28What? There's also—is that Hawara that has that underground labyrinth?

25:36They've also found—Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths.

25:40There's a great channel on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy, Ben Van Kirkwijk,

25:45who's been on the podcast before.

25:46He's great. And they've used radio—well, they used ground -penetrating radar in that location.

25:54They found that these immense labyrinths are real.

25:57They're there. They're huge. Herodotus said it's greater than Giza, and it's underground.

26:04And in the center of one of these atriums, there is a 40 -meter metallic

26:10object that's shaped like a tic -tac.

26:13It's in the center of this— Yes.

26:16So there's a bunch of shit that they don't—they can't explain down there where you're

26:21like, okay, what is this?

26:23They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like later versions of it, took

26:28from some of the older sites and started building new things or built on top

26:32of them, like very disrespectfully.

26:33But nobody had an idea of, like, the importance of history back then.

26:37You're just trying to stay alive.

26:38And so they found all these stones.

26:40Let's use these stones. Oh my gosh, totally.

26:42In India, like when we were colonized, you hear stories of, you know, the British

26:47officers telling, like, little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds.

26:53Go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever.

26:55And you don't have comprehension of what the value of historical things were.

27:01I remember that there was so much that was taken from India in terms of

27:05wealth and history and historical artifacts and the Kohinoor diamond, which is still on the

27:12queen's crown, which came from India.

27:15And, like, so many things which were— The queen of England?

27:18Yeah. She has a diamond on her crown that she stole from— Can you pull

27:21it up? Kohinoor diamond. K -O -H -I -N -O.

27:24Give it back. Give it back.

27:27Yeah, we've been asking for it for a minute.

27:30We have. Well, the whole history of England and India is nuts, too.

27:35That's the diamond? Whoa. How big is that sucker?

27:38The crown of the queen.

27:39How big is that thing?

27:41How big would that be?

27:44I think it's like a hundred carats.

27:46Whoa. What is that worth?

27:49What's a hundred—well, besides the historical value of it, which is probably priceless, what is

27:55a hundred and five carats worth?

27:57That's nuts. Imagine walking around with a rock like that in your hand.

28:03Yeah. Woo! I mean, that's what I'm saying.

28:05The royalty in India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was pillaged

28:10and just taken. Well, the history of India is fascinating.

28:14Like, in the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vemanas.

28:21Have you ever read any of that stuff?

28:23Yeah, the Vedas. Yeah. And not extensively, but clearly you have.

28:26The Vemanas are—it's like, what are you talking about?

28:29You're talking about flying crafts?

28:30Yeah. Like, what do you— That's the thing.

28:33You go—if you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories

28:36that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient

28:42texts, like the Vemanas, you're saying.

28:44You have flying objects, you have spears with some sort of energy, you have bows

28:52and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light.

28:56Right. And there's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe

29:01humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology, like who's to say?

29:07But we do definitely believe in Indian mythology, if you go back into Hinduism and

29:13the incredible stories that exist.

29:17Like, I love to think about where—the origin, like where it must have come from.

29:22Yeah. But there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then.

29:27Yeah. I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then

29:33were trying to document a truth.

29:35Yeah, for sure. I don't think they were trying to make up stories.

29:37No, I think it was definitely their truth.

29:39Yeah. But from our perspective now, we have to be like, how do you break

29:42down the truth of, you know, that there was this light that arrived from miles

29:49and miles away, and it felt like—I don't know.

29:52Was it a bomb? Like, what was it?

29:54Right. What was it of that time?

29:55Right. So it's cool to kind of try and interpret that.

29:58I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and, you

30:04know, the beginning of time.

30:05There's no way to explain what and how that was.

30:10You know, we have the information we do from religious texts and historians of the

30:15past, but it's just really fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have

30:22been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time.

30:27But we kind of just navigated through different worlds, you know?

30:32I think—yeah, I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines.

30:36And then when— It would be impossible.

30:39Think about, like, how short a human lifespan used to be to where it is

30:43now. How—the base—our stories have to come from, like, people telling people's stories or documenting

30:50them, right? Right, right. And those stories, like, when you're talking about certain passages in

30:58the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories

31:02that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything.

31:07Yeah. So it's like, what were they trying to remember?

31:11Like, when they're talking about flying Vimanas, like, what were they talking about?

31:15Like, what did they experience?

31:17And how long ago was it?

31:20Because I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is.

31:23I mean, 17 ,000 B .C.

31:27is where, or around that time, that many years ago is what they say.

31:33But again, who knows? Well, that makes sense if you take into account...

31:36Like 20 ,000 B .C.?

31:38There's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times.

31:41And he's a really fascinating guy.

31:43And he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth.

31:47Wow. He's an expert in all the different times that Earth has been slammed by

31:52comets and meteors. Is that how the dinosaurs were?

31:56So it was an asteroid.

31:58Yeah, they believe so. It was in the Yucatan, that one.

32:01That's the 65 million years ago one.

32:03But there's other ones that are before that.

32:05Before that. Yeah. And then there's other ones that are after that.

32:08And one of the more interesting ones is called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

32:11And that one's from about 11 ,800 years ago.

32:15And then again, they think somewhere in the 10 ,000 years that happened.

32:18So there's a comet storm that we pass by.

32:21I think it's every June and November.

32:23I forget what the time is.

32:25But this also aligns with...

32:28Do you know about the Tunguska event?

32:29Have you ever heard of that?

32:30No. In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated

32:39like a million acres of land.

32:42And it was during the same time period.

32:44And they realized like there's this comet storm that we pass through.

32:47Like when you see meteor showers during the sky, it's because we're passing through these

32:51areas of our solar system that have these comets.

32:55This is the Tunguska event.

32:57So it just... And to this day, that area has no trees on it.

33:00Whoa. So it just flattened everything.

33:05And it didn't even impact the ground.

33:07It blew up in the sky above it.

33:11And this was not even a big one.

33:13So how does like nothing grow again?

33:15Like what... I don't know.

33:16That's a good question. What is that asteroid made of that you can...

33:20Like Earth has been able to come back from so much.

33:23Yeah. That's a good question.

33:24That's crazy. Maybe it's just not enough time.

33:26I don't know. I mean, 117 years, maybe eventually.

33:30It means like a millennia.

33:30But it probably just blew the roots off of everything.

33:33Crazy. It blew everything into smithereens.

33:35And it probably had some kind of chemical effect, too, because it's a physical object.

33:41I don't know what it was made out of.

33:43But, you know, some of them are made out of iron.

33:45Some of them are made out of nickel.

33:47Like that big one that they saw, 3i Atlas that passed through.

33:51Yeah, yeah. That was a weird one because they were like, this is a nickel

33:54alloy that is as big as the size of Manhattan.

33:57And the only way we have it on Earth is in industrial manufacturing.

34:00Of an alloy. Wow. But this thing in another planet somewhere else millions and millions

34:06and millions of years ago was formed under whatever weird circumstances and conditions their planet

34:12has. But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts on this.

34:16But you definitely don't think we're like the only species existing in the universe, right?

34:21I don't think that's possible.

34:22It's human arrogance if we think we do.

34:25Yeah, that seems silly. Yeah.

34:26It doesn't make sense. There's just too many planets.

34:29It's a silly thing to think.

34:31And they found evidence of life on Mars.

34:33So they found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces

34:38of bacterial life. And that's, you know, right there.

34:42That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just in within our Milky Way that we, I

34:46mean, we haven't even been able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to

34:49get information. But it has, there has to be other species that exist and other,

34:56like intelligence and technology. Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?

35:00I mean, I know of him.

35:02Fascinating guy. Like a little kooky, but super smart.

35:05Like super smart. He's got some wild ideas.

35:08One of his ideas, I was like, wait, what?

35:10He thinks that life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their sun and

35:19then over time they get too far out and then life doesn't exist on those

35:24planets anymore. But when they're in this Goldilocks zone like Earth is for a long

35:30period of time and relative to our life, life exists and then intelligent life emerges

35:37and figures out, hey, we got to get out of here eventually because this is

35:43not going to sustain us.

35:44And then it propagates the world or the universe rather.

35:47And he thinks that there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopling.

35:52He thinks that when a planet gets further enough from the sun that it eventually

35:59peoples because it eventually reaches the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place

36:06and natural selection and random mutation, all these things converge and eventually you get an

36:13intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate its environment.

36:15Is there any proof of planets like moving away from their sun?

36:22Well, they all do slowly, very slowly.

36:25Like so even our solar system, we're all like slowly.

36:29Yeah. And also the sun is eventually going to burn out and explode and then

36:34we're fucked. But that's a long time from now.

36:37But there's enough shit to be worried about.

36:40Nothing's permanent. Like suns are not – and we're lucky.

36:43We have a slow burn sun.

36:45So we have a relatively small sun.

36:47And it's – there's a lot of weird speculation that it's part of a binary

36:53solar system too, that there might have been another version of our sun that burned

36:57out that's like way out there, like way out in space, like way past Pluto,

37:02way out there. I'd buy that.

37:04It's possible. I mean there's a lot of wacky theories as to why there seems

37:08to be some large object that's outside of our vision that's way, way past Pluto.

37:14So there's a thing called the Kuiper Belt that's outside of Pluto and that's part

37:18of what Pluto is, which is why they decided it's not really a planet anymore.

37:21But they think there's something else.

37:22So there's a lot of weird stuff.

37:22out there that's a large they call it planet x they think there's it's a

37:26lot of like weird speculation whether or not it's real but they think there might

37:29be a large body larger than earth large like jupiter size or something like way

37:34out there and it might be a sun it might be a burnt like a

37:37burnt out sun that was just crazy insane well earth alone like earth the reason

37:43why we have the moon supposedly is because earth was hit by another planet there's

37:46earth so was the moon part of the earth the the moon was like a

37:50big chunk of that collision that burst off and then became the moon so there's

37:56earth one so does that happen with all the planets like because all the planets

38:00that have their own moons are explosions maybe there's a question good question i mean

38:05maybe some of them are enormous asteroids that got caught in the gravity and yeah

38:10maybe of them maybe it's volcanic activity i don't know i think a lot of

38:14its asteroid impacts too they'd knock off giant chunks and those chunks start orbiting that

38:20planet so does that mean that all of those planets do have like a gravitational

38:24pull as well oh yeah they're right yeah whatever strong would that gravitational pull be

38:29it depends on the mass of the planet like jupiter for example jupiter is what

38:34protects us the reason why we don't get hit and a lot is because jupiter's

38:38so big so jupiter has so much mass and so much gravity that it's like

38:43our big brother that like protects us oh thanks jupiter for real yeah no that's

38:49great and uh they know they actually observed an impact on jupiter i want to

38:53say it was in the 1980s where an enormous asteroid slammed into jupiter and created

38:59a earth -sized explosion an explosion separated no you could it just got absorbed but

39:05jupiter just absorbed it but they watched it in real time and it was a

39:10way bigger explosion than they thought it was going to be like yo so then

39:14they have to like recalculate like oh how big was that thing and it made

39:18a a literal impact as large as the earth oh my god yeah i have

39:23to see that video well that's the the solar system is just a fucking shooting

39:27gallery which brings us back which brings us back to this younger drives impact theory

39:32which is one of the predominant theories as to why ancient super advanced civilizations completely

39:39disappeared there's no evidence of them and there's a lot of physical evidence when they

39:43do core samples of the earth they find there's a lot of iridium which is

39:47very common in space but very rare on earth which indicates some sort of an

39:51impact and then they also find micro diamonds these nuclear diamonds they it's i think

39:57they call it trinitite and they they first observed this when they did the trinity

40:02explosion so the nuclear explosion created these micro diamonds on the ground just a massive

40:07impact and explosion heat and energy well they find those littered all throughout the world

40:12in this same core sample timeline of like 11 800 years so they think we

40:18were just bombarded so a lot of these things like these temples in india perhaps

40:23the pyramids some structures that were stone probably just survived no for sure there's so

40:29much that has survived i think from like a timeline we can't even explain i

40:36mean in india we see so much of it so many of our texts the

40:39vedas are you know the oldest texts in the world um and to be able

40:44to like read stories which now maybe we imagine our stories but are probably reality

40:51of a civilization gone by yes is just crazy to think about i think more

40:56likely than not yeah and i think more and more over time people are opening

41:01up opening up to this possibility like they recently just found written language that is

41:0728 000 years old and that they thought that human written language was created about

41:146 000 years ago and they found evidence about this so they're like okay that's

41:19a giant difference but how can we also know what happened in so many parts

41:25of the earth when anyway the earth was moving right like the continents what it

41:29looks like right now is not what it probably looked like 20 000 years ago

41:33like it's been slowly moving i feel like how are we supposed to know like

41:40someone who writes a book say in mexico like what happened then in australia or

41:46what happened what was the history in like india you know what i mean right

41:49especially 15 you know that many hundreds yeah years ago when they were writing about

41:54stuff back then they were just making shit up so the shit that we read

41:57human may have used these mysterious symbols to encode information tens of thousands of years

42:01before the first writing systems 40 000 year old artifacts yeah so it's some kind

42:11of way of documenting things communicating you know if if these people like graham hancock

42:18and randall carlson are correct there was some sort of a very very advanced civilization

42:24pre 11 800 years ago and this also coincides with the end of the ice

42:28age it coincides with uh all of the ice caps over north america disappearing like

42:33north america was covered like three quarters of north america was covered like a mile

42:37high sheet of ice went away like that that's why the great lakes exist the

42:41great lakes are just that ice melted and then whatever was left just ran through

42:46the country and you can see the physical evidence of it when they show satellite

42:49images it looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape and and completely

42:55carved it and changed it what do you think happened with and i i wonder

42:59if you have because you have so much extensive knowledge with the amazing guests that

43:02you have on the show how did we go from neanderthal or early man to

43:09this technology driven like really smart intelligent like what happened in in history in the

43:18evolution of human beings that we were able to make that switch so quick it's

43:23a real good question there's a lot of you know i mean i i've heard

43:27theories but i want to know yours um if i didn't worry at all about

43:33being ridiculous and i don't uh i would you don't There was no need for

43:39that precursor. But if I didn't worry about that, I would say something helped us.

43:45That's what I think. Yeah.

43:46I don't think it makes sense that that didn't take place.

43:50Yeah. It's crazy to think about how that happened and how quickly it happened.

43:55Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with us.

43:58Also, all those other primates are still around, except the early man ones.

44:02You know, that's what's weird.

44:04It's like, why aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees are kind of the same?

44:09How come all these other primates are kind of the same?

44:12And yet we need clothes to stay warm out.

44:15Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant.

44:17You know what I mean?

44:18Yeah. Like, still similar. Yeah, it makes sense.

44:20How do we have, like, planes and why do we like things and how could

44:25we make cups and headphones?

44:27Yeah, why do we change our environment that way?

44:29Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate?

44:34Insatiable. Like, that's the number one thing that we do.

44:37Constantly changing. Constantly making new and better things.

44:39Never satisfied with anything new.

44:41Everything has to be better.

44:42No matter how good your car is, what's the next year's model going to be?

44:45No matter what your phone does, I want better pictures, bitch.

44:48Like, no matter what, it's always like we want something to be better all the

44:52time. We can one -up what we had.

44:54What is that? I think it's built into us.

44:57And I think that is a part of this process of becoming a human being.

45:03And I think it's leading us to develop AI.

45:06That's what I really think.

45:07But I think we most likely something intervened.

45:12Now, there's a lot of people that think, the rational people think, that it was

45:16the invention of fire and the cooking of food that gave us better access to

45:20nutrition and protein and then innovating in order to hunt, allowed the brain.

45:24But it was such an accelerated period of time.

45:28It went, like, so quickly.

45:29The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is the

45:33greatest mystery in the entire fossil record.

45:35Yeah. Like, what made that happen?

45:38We don't know. But in religious texts, ancient religious texts, there's many stories of human

45:47beings breeding with something from somewhere else.

45:51That's a part of the - Alien intervention.

45:53Yes. Yes. Right. Without trying to sound ridiculous.

45:56Some hyper -intelligent life form.

45:58But if you think about it - I was watching a show about that, and

46:00I was like, that makes sense.

46:02What was the show you were watching?

46:03Do you remember? Ancient Aliens.

46:09That show's the best. It's so silly.

46:12It's amazing. But I was at, like, two in the morning, I'm like, oh.

46:16My friend Action Bronson, he used to do a show.

46:18He doesn't do that show anymore, does he?

46:20They would get super baked and watch Ancient Aliens.

46:23It'd be like, bro. Listen, Ancient Aliens is rad.

46:28I love that show. Two in the morning.

46:29Oh, it's fun. It's very fun.

46:31I think they're right about some of those things.

46:34I think there's something to it.

46:36I mean, that is one of the oldest biblical texts that wasn't included in the

46:43canon that is the Bible is the Book of Enoch.

46:46And I had Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast, and she brought that up.

46:51And I was like, she was like, you really should read that.

46:52But so I read it, and you start reading, and you're like, wait, what the

46:56hell are they talking about?

46:58The Watchers came down from the sky to mate with humans and created the Nephilim,

47:04a race of giants that destroyed the earth.

47:07You're like, what are you talking about?

47:09Like, what is this? This is in the Bible, and it would have been in

47:12the Bible if it not for a few rabbis that decided this doesn't jive with

47:16the Torah. And so they say, we've got to get that out of there.

47:18And that's why it's not taught along with the Book of Ezekiel and all these

47:22other things that are in the Old Testament.

47:24Wow. Versus like in Hindu mythology also, you know, we read about a time where

47:30God, human, and demon existed at the same time and procreated.

47:35And like created different realms and, you know, life and stories.

47:41And, you know, so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories, beliefs,

47:47you know, from around the world that have similar sort of color, it's almost like

47:55trying to connect the dots of what must have happened at that time, you know,

47:59all around the world. It's probably the same thing, you know, some sort of incredible

48:05technology. Yeah. And some and a lot of them have these stories of something of

48:13some kind of higher nature, higher power, higher technology intervening in the lives of human

48:20beings and even manipulating the process.

48:26Yeah. But isn't that what I think was referred to as the gods?

48:28Yes. Like if you think about the Roman, you know, or Egyptian, like gods, I

48:34don't want to speak about culture, but I can't even say about ours.

48:38But that power that we read about, you know, that like if you if you

48:44go into it, I'm a big believer.

48:47So I think that, you know, was that like a real experience experience that happened

48:53to a human being at that time?

48:54A real experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge

48:59and the limited ability to write things down.

49:01And so they probably still told these stories from whatever words they could use to

49:06describe what this was. Like if you were living 30 ,000 years ago, 40 ,000

49:12years ago and a UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed and little tiny creatures

49:18came out and talked to you telepathically.

49:20You don't have a written language.

49:23You don't. Your culture is hunter gatherers.

49:25Like how do you tell that story?

49:27How do you tell that story?

49:28And what are the people that you told that story to going to tell their

49:31children and their grandchildren for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out how

49:36to write things down? Totally.

49:38But another perspective on this, which people have is, is that our pragmatic, practical 2026

49:48human trying to explain something that.

49:51that was magical and did exist at a time that we don't have an explanation

49:55for. Yeah. You know what I mean?

49:57For sure. Like, there's the other side of that with people that, you know, you

50:02hear so many stories of visitations from the gods back then, you know, to humans

50:08and the divinity of, at least in my country for sure, of different avatars of

50:14gods coming down to earth to save humankind and to help in human salvation.

50:19And to help them against evil.

50:24So when you hear of those stories, like, the practical side of me would be

50:27like, are those human stories and who is that power that they were seeing at

50:32that time? And then there's a side of you which is like, there's so much

50:36we can't explain and sometimes have to, like, leave it to inexplicable magic of the

50:44universe. Like, I'm someone who loves science, but I also am a believer of that

50:50it just can't explain everything.

50:52Well, even science itself, like, hardcore materialist science.

50:58Totally. If you're trying to explain the Big Bang, good fucking luck.

51:02Good fucking luck making sense out of something smaller than the head of a pin

51:06that became everything that's in the universe.

51:08Okay. Like, explain that to me.

51:10Help me out. I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and no one really knows.

51:19And then there's this concept of what took place before the Big Bang.

51:22And then there's Sir Roger Penrose's version of it, which is there's been many versions

51:27of the Big Bang expansion, then contraction, and that it's not the beginning, that it's

51:32part of an endless cycle.

51:33That's what I've, I mean, I've heard from, in India as well, the believer belief

51:37that that was not kind of the beginning.

51:39There's been many beginnings and many ends that we have no idea of.

51:44That makes more sense to me.

51:45It makes more sense because I think the problem with a beginning, we're like, well,

51:49what was here originally? We always want to think of things in terms of our

51:53own biological limitations. We have a birth and we have a death.

51:55So we think that the universe probably had a birth.

51:57Everything has a limitation. Yeah.

51:58The why. It's there. Like time.

52:01What is time's limitation? It's existed from who knows when.

52:05It's constant. It's never not been here.

52:08Yeah. So the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well, that doesn't even

52:12make sense. It's funny, when I was doing research for The Bluff, this movie, I

52:18went to the Cayman Islands for a couple of days to get an understanding of

52:22the history of the islands.

52:24And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman, because it's in the middle of these

52:29trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico.

52:32So ships, when trading started, is when the Cayman was discovered, the islands were discovered.

52:39So when I went down there, I went to the museum and they said, yeah,

52:41it was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first settlers came.

52:46And, you know, it started with family or like people trying to run away or

52:51pirates or, you know, just people making pit stops before going to another country.

52:57And they said that that was the first time that there was any history of

53:01the island. And I was like, how is that possible that only when like settlers

53:05found that place? And now, I mean, Cayman Islands, Cayman Islands.

53:10Right. But how, like if you think about there's so many places in the world

53:16where people and humans have existed way before we even have an understanding of or

53:22are willing to acknowledge, you know, in many cultures it's different.

53:27But we just lost the history of it.

53:30That's possible, too. That's what my argument was.

53:32I was like, you know, like we have to have lost the history of what

53:36happened prior. There's an entire culture from South America that we don't know who they

53:42were, the Olmecs. We have some giant carved heads and we're like, oh, who did

53:48that? Where did that come from?

53:50They think it's like thousands and thousands of years old.

53:52They look African. It's very strange.

53:55Have you seen Olmec heads?

53:57Oh, here. They look like this.

53:59That's an Olmec head. Like how nuts is that?

54:02Like that's a replica of these enormous heads that are in, I think, is it

54:07Peru? Luke Caverns, who's been on the podcast.

54:11He's a really fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there.

54:17He's been there and documented and he's like, they don't know who these people were.

54:21They don't know what their language was.

54:23They don't even know what they look like except for these images.

54:26And they don't even know if these images are supposed to be of them, like

54:29these statues. They just found, see if you can find some of these heads so

54:33you can see like the scale of them.

54:37So they left these enormous stone heads.

54:40They attribute it to this one civilization that they call the Olmecs.

54:43They just made a name up.

54:44But they don't know who the hell these people were.

54:46And look at their faces.

54:48Like that's crazy. That's huge.

54:52Yeah. And do you know how old these might be?

54:55They don't really know. But I think, how many thousands of years old do they

54:59think they are, Jamie? Crazy stuff.

55:05Yeah. So at least 900 BC.

55:10But, you know, what does that mean?

55:11Yeah. That's a guess. That's a guess.

55:14But like a long time ago.

55:15A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs.

55:18Do you know the Aztecs didn't build those temples?

55:21They found them. The Aztecs found that?

55:24The Aztec temples? They found them from an unknown previous civilization.

55:29Oh, my God. Yeah. They call those temples the place where the gods were born.

55:34Yeah. That's what they call them.

55:35And they just kind of like cleaned it up.

55:38Which kind of makes sense because you think of like how barbaric the Aztecs were.

55:41Like they did some horrific shit.

55:44Like we were talking about one of the temples.

55:47I think it was Tenochtitlan.

55:48When they consecrated it, they killed between 20 ,000 and 80 ,000 people.

55:55They sacrificed them in a period of four days.

55:58And so this is like right when the Spanish were first visiting Mexico thinking about

56:03taking over. And this guy de - And this guy de - As the Spanish

56:06chronicler said, it was the fucking craziest thing.

56:09They killed 80 ,000 people, he said, over a period of four days.

56:13Just cut their hearts out and threw their bodies down the stairs.

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56:55So these are the people that were...

56:57Yeah, you think about how countries were...

57:00Like, conquests happen and, like, you know, we're living in the history of so many

57:07people's blood and sacrifices. And violence.

57:12And so much violence. An unfathomable amount of violence.

57:15How are humans so capable of that kind of, like, of violence?

57:19I think... Having done a really violent movie right now?

57:21Because chimps. Because we're mostly chimp.

57:24And I think if you pay attention to chimps, like, have you ever seen...

57:27Chimp behavior, yeah. Chimp Nation on Netflix?

57:29No, I haven't. It's fantastic.

57:32Yeah, I haven't seen it.

57:32It's just... It's spectacular because it is a very rare situation where this one particular

57:39group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for 20 years.

57:44So the scientists had very specific rules.

57:46Don't get within 20 yards of them.

57:48Don't make eye contact with them.

57:49Don't have any food with you.

57:50Okay. And don't interfere. And they're totally accustomed to having people around them.

57:56So they behave totally naturally.

57:57Yeah. And so they wage war.

57:59They have all these, like, crazy social dynamics that they observe.

58:02So they behave like they would in the wild because they're used to these humans.

58:05Exactly. And when you watch it, you're like, oh, my God, they are a lot

58:09like us. They're a lot like us.

58:11Just, like, very primitive. No language.

58:15But ultra -violent. Chimps are ultra -violent.

58:19I mean, one of their favorite foods, this guy was telling me, was monkeys.

58:23They just love eating monkeys.

58:24He goes, we saw them kill so many monkeys, we couldn't even document it.

58:27Oh, my God. He goes, because if it would just be like, every day was

58:29like a monkey hunt. They would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive.

58:34It's horrific. Oh, my God.

58:35That's our ancestors. So what we are is a combination.

58:39Like, if you can... Well, that explains it.

58:41Yeah, it explains it. We're a combination of some higher intelligence that interbred with a

58:47savage primate that's curious and created this weird hybrid, this weird thing.

58:53Listen, that's what ancient aliens told me.

58:55Yeah. And I believe it.

58:57I think they're right. They're right about that.

58:59Have you ever seen Chariots of the Gods?

59:01No. That's the original one.

59:03Eric Von Daniken. That was in, like, the 1970s.

59:06It was a movie, like a feature movie.

59:08I mean, I remember the movie, but I don't remember having seen it.

59:11Yeah. I had lunch with him once.

59:14Got a chance to question him about stuff.

59:16He's, like, a true believer.

59:18Yeah. Like a true believer.

59:19What are his beliefs? Well, he believes that everything is from aliens.

59:22That aliens came down and aliens taught people how to do things and aliens built

59:26all these things. And I'm more in line of they intervened and created what we

59:34think of now as humans, and then humans figured out a different path of technology

59:40than we're on today, that we are on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics,

59:45electricity, and they were probably on some different path of technology, but as far down

59:51the path, if not more.

59:53And I think they probably had figured out some things that we have yet to

59:58figure out, including, like, the transferring and the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks

1:00:08without heavy machinery. Like, we don't know what they were doing.

1:00:12Teleportation. Yeah. I don't know.

1:00:14How did they cut them?

1:00:15Like, what are they, what are they, what, if those structures that Filippo Biondi describes

1:00:21underneath, if that's real, like, what was the pyramid then?

1:00:24And how, yeah, how did they do, like, first they created the structure.

1:00:28Like, imagine the foundation and the design that went into it.

1:00:33A half a mile deep into the earth.

1:00:36Crazy. Like, what is that?

1:00:37What are you doing? Because I'm saying, I don't know if I, like, I just

1:00:41know that we can't explain that quick evolution.

1:00:45Right. Of humans from Neanderthal to.

1:00:48We can't. And all. Entirely intelligent.

1:00:51Yes, we can't. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot of people saying, well, we

1:00:55haven't filled in the gaps yet.

1:00:56Yeah. We don't really know.

1:00:57But the acceleration of the evolution is so spectacular.

1:01:01Like, vegans are hilarious. They attribute it to people eating tubers.

1:01:04I had a conversation with a guy.

1:01:05He's like, we're thinking it's probably tubers.

1:01:07Like, what roots? You mean like bears eat?

1:01:09Shut the fuck up. That is the dumbest explanation.

1:01:12That didn't even make any sense.

1:01:13I'm vegan. Are you really?

1:01:14No, I'm joking. No, I'm not.

1:01:17There's no way you could be.

1:01:18No, I just had barbecue.

1:01:19You would already fall asleep.

1:01:20For breakfast, I had brisket.

1:01:22I was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours.

1:01:25Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here.

1:01:27Yeah. I just think that whatever happened, we don't know.

1:01:32And I would not rule out intervention.

1:01:36I would not rule out intervention.

1:02:02And see what happens. You know, we would bring some birds in.

1:02:06Look. You and Stephanie would.

1:02:07We would intervene. They're doing genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring back extinct

1:02:11life. Wow. That's how they brought back the dire wolf, this company called Colossal, Colossal

1:02:18Bioworks. I saw it. I saw it.

1:02:20I watched it. I went to, yes, I went to the place where they're holding

1:02:25these wolves and I got to, me and my daughter, got to cuddle with a

1:02:30baby dire wolf. They had two semi -adults at the time.

1:02:35I think they were like eight or nine months old.

1:02:36And they've been extinct since when?

1:02:3810 ,000 years. Stop it.

1:02:40Yeah, somewhere in the range of that.

1:02:43Oh my god. Yeah, when did dire wolves go extinct?

1:02:47I think they were part of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact because

1:02:5165 % of all megafauna on Earth, and particularly in North America, went extinct around

1:02:58the same time. Woolly mammoths.

1:03:00And do we know why?

1:03:01They don't. Around the same time?

1:03:03There's a lot of hypotheses.

1:03:03Was there something that happened then?

1:03:05The rational people, not me, but the rational people think it was the berserker theory,

1:03:10which means that human beings killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to

1:03:14extinction. Unbelievable. This is with adalattles.

1:03:18It doesn't make total sense.

1:03:20It's like, how did you get?

1:03:21There's not even that many people.

1:03:22How'd you do that? And then there's also stuff like the American lion, which was

1:03:26bigger than the African lion.

1:03:28How do we kill that off with a fucking stick?

1:03:30Like, shut the fuck up.

1:03:31Something had to have happened.

1:03:34Well, they found mass grave sites of mammoths where there's like hundreds of them dead,

1:03:40all in one place that seem to have died at the same time.

1:03:42Not only that, some of them have broken legs.

1:03:44Yeah, so it had to have been like some asteroid or something that created that

1:03:51kind of impact immediately. But 65 % of all North American megafauna died at the

1:03:56same time. That's so crazy.

1:03:58Yeah, within the time period.

1:03:59And they think that the younger dry ice impact theory people think like this is

1:04:04not a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the ice age and also

1:04:09coincides with where the core samples.

1:04:12Too many coincidences. Yeah, and also that coincides with the fact that these animals were

1:04:18all here at one point in time.

1:04:21They all got wiped out except a very few.

1:04:22There's only a few left.

1:04:24Like there's the pronghorn antelope, which is a really weird one.

1:04:28It's this prehistoric antelope that lives in North America, and it's different than every other

1:04:33animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs.

1:04:37Because we used to have cheetahs in North America, so it can run like 55

1:04:41miles in fucking books. I've seen them in real life.

1:04:44They're really weird looking. They look prehistoric.

1:04:46But can run. They fly.

1:04:49That's what it looks like.

1:04:50See if you can get a look at its face.

1:04:51When you see it head on, they're so strange.

1:04:54Like their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because something was coming at

1:04:57them like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full clip.

1:05:01And so they're really, really alert, and they have incredible vision.

1:05:07And that's a leftover animal.

1:05:09That's a leftover animal from a time where they were being preyed upon by something

1:05:13that doesn't exist anymore. And that something was wiped out along with the American lion.

1:05:19A bigger lion than the African lion lived right here.

1:05:23That's huge. That's crazy. I was filming in Africa recently in Kenya, and we, for

1:05:29this Indian movie I'm doing called Varanasi, and we shot with wildebeests and, like, as

1:05:36in, like, in the middle of them.

1:05:38I was, me and my co -actor Mahesh were in the middle of these wildebeests

1:05:42that were all around us while they were migrating.

1:05:45It's, like, the coolest thing I've ever seen.

1:05:47But when you see their faces and for how many years versions of them have

1:05:53existed, you know, you feel the gravity when you see these animals in the wild.

1:06:00Yeah. It's crazy. It's so much different than a zoo, right?

1:06:03Oh, completely. Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this.

1:06:06Yeah, this is their home.

1:06:07This is what they do.

1:06:08We're in it. You feel a sense of, like, stay in your Jeep.

1:06:12Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch it on film, and so

1:06:16that we get sort of desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife.

1:06:20Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the wildebeest.

1:06:22How cool. But when you're there and you see a lion, you see a wildebeest,

1:06:26you're like, this is fucking crazy.

1:06:28Yeah. Like, this is all day long, every day, these life forms competing to try

1:06:32to exist and stay alive.

1:06:33That's it. And there's this weird balance where all of them, you know.

1:06:36They still exist. Yeah. There will be wildebeest right there, and there will be a

1:06:40lion right here who's eaten.

1:06:42So they're hanging out together.

1:06:43The wildebeest knows that he's eaten.

1:06:45He's not coming after us.

1:06:46And they exist. But at the same time, they're, you know, during hunting season, you

1:06:51see the hunt happen. And I saw a hunt happen.

1:06:55And that's crazy that that's their life.

1:06:58Yeah. It's alive. With their face.

1:07:00They kill things with their face.

1:07:01Like, literally, it's crazy. There's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river changed

1:07:08courses, and it left this one pack of lions on this one island that only

1:07:15has water buffalo on it.

1:07:17And so these lions became enormous.

1:07:19And the female lions are as big as male lions everywhere else.

1:07:24And the male lions are way bigger than they are anywhere else.

1:07:26I think there's the documentaries.

1:07:28I think it's called Relentless Enemies.

1:07:29But it's so fun. Because they look like these jacked bodybuilder lions.

1:07:33Those water buffaloes are huge.

1:07:35And hyper -aggressive. I had one staring at me.

1:07:37Like, we were in Kenya.

1:07:39I'm like, the video villages that they were filming.

1:07:42And it's far away. But it just turned his head and just looked at me

1:07:46and then just kept looking at me.

1:07:47And I swear, I had to, like, get up and get out of its view

1:07:50because it just kept staring.

1:07:53I was like, it's coming at me.

1:07:54They will come at you.

1:07:55Yeah, for sure. They kill people.

1:07:57The rangers told us. They were like, oh, I think he's engaged with you maybe.

1:08:01Maybe get out of here.

1:08:02Get into your car. Yeah, there's that poor lady from who she was a video

1:08:08editor on the Game of Thrones.

1:08:09And she went to do a safari there.

1:08:11And one of the lions pulled her out of her car.

1:08:14Out of her car? Yeah, she rolled the window down.

1:08:17Or someone rolled the window down.

1:08:19And a female lion just snatched her out of the car and killed her.

1:08:23Oh, my God. Yeah. You have to listen to your rangers when you're in these

1:08:30situations. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, she wanted a better picture or something.

1:08:34Yeah, that's the shit. That gets people into trouble.

1:08:36Oh, yeah. Like there was this, one of our rangers was telling us a story

1:08:40that they have, we were in Maasai Mara and they were like, they have open

1:08:44jeeps and, you know, you have food that they keep really hidden so that the

1:08:48animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff.

1:08:51And he was telling a story about this influencer.

1:08:53He's driving and, you know, there's a pack of lions, lions just eaten, so he's

1:08:59sleeping. And this influencer who puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's

1:09:04head and got it on video and survived to tell the story.

1:09:08And then he was banned and the ranger was like fired from his job and

1:09:12all of that happened. But for the image, can you imagine?

1:09:16What a fucking idiot. All for the gram.

1:09:19My gosh, that was crazy.

1:09:21I mean, I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody, but when someone does

1:09:28something like that and does get killed, it's probably better.

1:09:32Educationally for the human race.

1:09:34But is it though? Or are we really learning from other people and their examples?

1:09:38Some people aren't learning shit.

1:09:40Nobody's learning shit. We're just trying to put the best versions of ourselves on the

1:09:45gram. Like that's what's happening right now.

1:09:48Whether it's true or not.

1:09:50Yeah. But are we learning?

1:09:52Yeah, that's a good question.

1:09:54I don't know. I mean, I think we are also so desensitized to it.

1:09:57There's so much information that comes your way and misinformation now.

1:10:00Where being able to discern what's real and what's not now, that's hard as well.

1:10:05Oh, it's harder than it's ever been.

1:10:06Totally. And then if you do watch something and you're like, I'm going to implement

1:10:11in my life, we do it for a very short duration.

1:10:14Very few of us follow through with that, right?

1:10:16Like you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool.

1:10:21Are we going to pull on that thread and follow through and do something about

1:10:25it or learn from it?

1:10:27I don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of that space where we

1:10:35had the time or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just

1:10:41that with so much coming at you.

1:10:43Well, I think collectively as a society, I think we learn and then we forget

1:10:48and then we have to relearn again.

1:10:49Yeah. You know, that's certainly it.

1:10:51My attention span now where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like

1:10:56just having the languidity of time, right, in a very different way.

1:11:02And this is like, say, 30 years ago, 30, 35 years ago of, you know,

1:11:09reading a book, music playing, hanging out with your parents or your friends without being

1:11:16rushed, just rushed. You know, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I do now

1:11:23in the last 20 years when I was growing up.

1:11:26Like there was time for stuff.

1:11:28Yeah. Well, certainly the internet has accelerated that, you know, and certainly people's attention spans

1:11:36are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content.

1:11:41But at the same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting.

1:11:45It's so interesting. Like I was talking about this to a friend of mine, like

1:11:49people who have no time or interest in wanting to commit to like say a

1:11:53movie or some will watch or listen to like a podcast for two or three

1:11:59hours. And for someone like me who, you know, like I've been an actor for

1:12:04most of my life, my interface with people would be, you know, an interview, say,

1:12:10for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me would

1:12:13be an interview where, you know, the highlights are really what you read.

1:12:18The clickbait lines are really what you read and you form a relationship with whoever

1:12:23this public person is based on those few lines versus this format where you're just

1:12:28chatting for a few hours.

1:12:31And you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which

1:12:36is why I think people really love podcasts.

1:12:38Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of if you want to like

1:12:42find out who a person really is because you can't really hide for three hours.

1:12:46Like that's who you are.

1:12:48And I think for most people, that's scary.

1:12:52Right. And so what they like about those fake shows, like good morning, America or

1:12:57whatever it is, you know what I mean?

1:12:58Like you're sitting down, you know, the guy's got a piece of paper, so he's

1:13:01got a few questions he's going to ask you and they're all going to be

1:13:04like very surface, very jovial.

1:13:06What's it like to be married?

1:13:08You know, what's it like to do this?

1:13:09What's it like to do that?

1:13:10So you had a baby.

1:13:11Congratulations. That kind of shit.

1:13:12And then you're out of there.

1:13:14It's 10 minutes and you're like, oh, that went well.

1:13:16And then nobody knows anything about you.

1:13:18It's true that you're just basically known by the top four questions that everybody asks

1:13:23you. So it's like the same four questions that everybody asks.

1:13:26Right. And what was it like to work with this person?

1:13:29What was she like in person?

1:13:30What was he like? For me, mostly, it's like a lot about my family.

1:13:34Like it's like that my identity starts there and then everything else comes after.

1:13:39Well, you're fascinating in that you you've done movies in two different cultures.

1:13:44So, like, I wanted to ask you about that.

1:13:46Like, what is the Bollywood scene like?

1:13:49Because I wasn't even aware of it until like 20 years ago.

1:13:52I didn't know that, like, Bollywood is like this enormous, like, the amount of films

1:13:58that are produced in India is kind of crazy.

1:14:00Yeah. It's a big business.

1:14:02Huge. Huge. Hundred and something years of Indian cinema just recently.

1:14:07So a very, very old industry.

1:14:10We started with silent movies and have worked our way now to and that's not

1:14:15just Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second.

1:14:17Because India is so diverse and we have so many different languages.

1:14:20Again, excuse me. I didn't know the exact number.

1:14:23But we have local industries that make movies in those languages.

1:14:30So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes from Bombay.

1:14:35I think that's why it was coined that name from Hollywood.

1:14:38But the Bombay movie industry, again, it was not us that did that.

1:14:41It was the name that was given to us.

1:14:43I don't know by who.

1:14:44But Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai.

1:14:48I don't know by who.

1:14:49which is like LA. It's huge.

1:14:51It's, you know, we make thousands and thousands of movies, but then there's also Telugu,

1:14:55Tamil, Punjabi, Malayalam, Marathi, Bhojpuri.

1:15:01These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exists.

1:15:07So, cumulatively, we make thousands and thousands of movies a year, but it's catered to

1:15:12very, very different audiences within the diversity of India.

1:15:16Wow. And how many people have come from India, like you, and become stars in

1:15:23Western movies? I think there have been a few before me, you know, that have

1:15:27done work. That first one I heard of.

1:15:29So, no one's made it to me yet.

1:15:32Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's been few and far in between.

1:15:37I think America is a really hard country to break into, to be relevant in.

1:15:43It's tough. And also, like, I think Hollywood controls a large part of the global

1:15:49entertainment business. So, as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to

1:15:54break into the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy to do that.

1:16:03You know, culturally, it's different.

1:16:05Language is different. Jokes are different.

1:16:08So, that's a tough transition, but it's also like, for me, I really, I went

1:16:15to high school. Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and I went to

1:16:18Newton too. Did you really?

1:16:19I went to Newton North.

1:16:20You went to Newton South.

1:16:21Yeah. That's funny. That's crazy.

1:16:24Yeah. So, I was in, I was in high school in the States and I,

1:16:28you know, so it wasn't like alien to me.

1:16:30It's not like I was in India and I was like, I want to go

1:16:33to America and start working there.

1:16:36I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here.

1:16:40Would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to

1:16:45create an impact? Many years later, I feel like, you know, I'm on my way

1:16:50there. But there have been so many actors whose shoulders I've stood on.

1:16:55So, Indian, like Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or, you

1:17:01know, British entertainment, wherever, was usually by us seen as, you know, a diversity check.

1:17:08So, it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having

1:17:15to speak in the accent or having to like do the, be a little bit

1:17:19more Indian. What does that even mean?

1:17:21Did someone tell you that?

1:17:22I was told in an audition, I think we needed the character to be a

1:17:25little bit more Indian. And I just like didn't even understand why.

1:17:30There's so many versions of that.

1:17:31But I think what the, like this person meant was have a little bit more

1:17:36of the accent. Yeah, be a caricature.

1:17:38Yeah, be the caricature, which was really tough to break out of.

1:17:42So, you know, at a time when it was only that work that existed in

1:17:46Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders I stand on.

1:17:49Like those were the ones that went in and did that work because that was

1:17:52all that was available and, you know, tried to break through, especially from like India,

1:17:59for example, Aishwarya Rai, Amitabh Bachchan, Irfan Khan.

1:18:04There have been actors that have come in, done work and, you know, left an

1:18:08amazing mark. But I moved here.

1:18:10I live here now. And, you know, I'm consistently working here.

1:18:15I think that also may have been a part of why you've heard of me.

1:18:19Yes, I'm sure. Well, I've seen you interviewed too, which is why I thought you

1:18:24were interesting. Thank you. I appreciate that.

1:18:27I think you're very interesting.

1:18:29I think your knowledge of the world is fascinating to me.

1:18:33Well, it's all accidental. Cool.

1:18:36How cool is that? Yeah, it's cool.

1:18:39That's amazing. I started this thing out with my friend Brian and a laptop.

1:18:44We were just talking shit.

1:18:46We just thought it'd be fun to like do like a little internet thing.

1:18:49Wow. How inspiring. And that was 16 years ago.

1:18:53You're someone who's pivoted your career so many times too, though.

1:18:56Sort of, but it's all the same thing in that I've only just done things

1:19:01I'm interested in. Yeah. Other than Fear Factor.

1:19:04Yeah. That was just a job.

1:19:05You know, I also hosted Fear Factor.

1:19:06Did you? No. Shut up.

1:19:08For one year. Really? I did.

1:19:10Where? In Brazil. In India.

1:19:12Shut the fuck up. That's crazy.

1:19:15And we shot it in Brazil, in Rio.

1:19:17Wow. That's crazy. We have such random things in common.

1:19:22That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common.

1:19:24I need to see that.

1:19:25Let me see that. Find a clip.

1:19:27This is hilarious. Fear Factor.

1:19:28What language did you do it in?

1:19:30Hindi. Wow. And it was in Rio, huh?

1:19:33We shot it in Rio.

1:19:34We had a big budget that here.

1:19:35What? So we were all flown out to Brazil.

1:19:39So it's Fear Factor India.

1:19:40I wonder how many versions of Fear Factor there were.

1:19:42I mean, they're all over the world.

1:19:45Really? Yeah. Fear Factor used to exist all over.

1:19:47I don't know anymore, but back in the day.

1:19:49Once I stopped doing it, I stopped paying attention.

1:19:51I was like, I'm out.

1:19:52Me too. So I knew Ludacris took it over at one point in time, and

1:19:55now Johnny Knoxville's doing it.

1:19:57That's all I knew. I had no idea that there was a bunch of different

1:20:00language versions of it. All over the world.

1:20:02Yeah, yeah. You know, it originally came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland.

1:20:07It's a crazy show. Yeah.

1:20:08It was way more simple.

1:20:12And then when it got brought to America, they decided to call it Fear Factor.

1:20:15The whole eating thing, we didn't take that back to India.

1:20:19Really? Yeah, we didn't do the eating.

1:20:21Because you never know people are vegetarian.

1:20:23In India, it's a big part of our culture where a lot of people religiously

1:20:28are vegetarian or not. Yeah.

1:20:30I think maybe that's the reason, but there was not a lot of like eat

1:20:33the worms and stuff, which I was very grateful for.

1:20:36It was a lot more, you know, a cliff and falling off the cliff.

1:20:40And I remember there was this one, which was crazy.

1:20:43This 16 wheeler, which was driving it 60 miles an hour.

1:20:47And everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it.

1:20:51Oh, yeah. And underneath it and come out.

1:20:52Yikes. It was insane. That's crazy.

1:20:54I didn't have to do it, which is great.

1:20:56I was just hosting. Yeah, we did a lot of stuff where I was like,

1:21:00we barely got through that without killing somebody.

1:21:03Yeah. And the dead Waivers yeah everyone had to sign a death waiver oh yeah

1:21:07I was like why would you do a show where you have to sign a

1:21:12death waiver yeah and you can only win like fifty thousand dollars and you might

1:21:16not win you're probably not gonna win there's a bunch of other people on the

1:21:19show and you could very easily get hurt yeah yeah but people want to be

1:21:22famous they want to be on tv like I want to be on tv yeah

1:21:27once it became popular and successful it was really easy to get people to do

1:21:30it too everybody wanted to sign up but I mean there are like protective measures

1:21:35obviously but it's a little we made him ride bulls we did too we put

1:21:41people on bulls yeah I was and there were a few that were like no

1:21:46I'm not doing this I'm out I told people not to do it when I

1:21:50was talking to them off camera I said don't do it I wouldn't do it

1:21:53don't do it I would never do it no way but people look at that

1:21:57look at you what year was this looks like a fear factor scene it is

1:22:06I was on a helicopter so do you know what year this was oh I

1:22:09can't did it say that I just didn't say I don't know I could check

1:22:12but wow Rio I've been to that I stood outside the helicopter as well it

1:22:17was some Rio's amazing wow that's crazy that is so funny it's just like fear

1:22:26factor it's the same thing yeah it's totally fear factor so what did you guys

1:22:32do for the second stunt if you didn't do a gross thing you just did

1:22:34a second scary thing scary things mostly oh wow well it's probably better honestly the

1:22:40gross I mean there were gross things too like there's brazilian you know red -eyed

1:22:45deviled rats that were put all over you with tongue and eyeballs and stuff but

1:22:51you didn't have to consume it right it was on you you know you don't

1:22:55have to eat it a lot of the consuming it was psychological you get you

1:23:00get really accustomed to it and then it's like nothing I mean listen that people

1:23:04have eaten crazy things through history right to stay alive yeah and like if we

1:23:11take our mind out of like oh my gosh this is gross then it's not

1:23:16well the thing is a lot of what we were serving as gross was some

1:23:20people's food like balut like my friends from Filipino friends they're like bro I eat

1:23:26that all the time like that's crazy I would have that would have been no

1:23:29problem this is a current I heard a more updated what oh my god I'm

1:23:35telling you it's crazy lions and your what if that thing pops open and you

1:23:38got to roll that thing around with lions there oh the lions are duking it

1:23:41out with each other fuck that that's crazy yeah like I went to I recently

1:23:49was on Fallon and there was some bluffing game that we were doing because the

1:23:54movie's called a bluff and um you know I said to Jimmy I was like

1:23:59I eat worms and he was like no way no way you don't eat worms

1:24:02but these worms are a delicacy in in Zimbabwe and I was introduced to them

1:24:07um I don't know exactly the history but I was told during segregation you know

1:24:14people black people were put or in areas where that weren't very fertile you couldn't

1:24:21really grow your crops and you know your animals and they were um so this

1:24:26was a way of like protein and they're very high these are these fat caterpillars

1:24:30high in protein and they're made in a curry and when you actually eat them

1:24:33it's like chicken I'm telling you it's like it was psychological but well you know

1:24:39cicadas those things that come out people eat them here all the time they bake

1:24:44them fried baked yeah and apparently they're delicious I haven't had one of those but

1:24:49I haven't either I actually did when I was in 19th grade oh wow that's

1:24:52what it looks like yeah that's crazy but look at like the they're made out

1:24:56of they're made into a curry I made it I ate I'm not made I

1:25:00ate a tomato hornworm on fear factor I had a bunch of things when I

1:25:04was on the show I was like there's nothing going into my mouth in fear

1:25:07I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode because the first episode I felt

1:25:12bad that the people were on the show yeah so you were like I'm gonna

1:25:17I'll eat it too all right and they didn't show me eating it but I'm

1:25:20like I'm gonna eat it because you guys have to eat it and then I

1:25:22ate a roach to try to convince a lady that she could eat a roach

1:25:25I ate worms I ate uh an Iraqi cave spider I ate what was a

1:25:31spider like just chewy but was it the taste is not bad was it alive

1:25:36when you ate it oh yeah for the first couple seconds yeah um yeah the

1:25:45all the things that I ate were alive other than the eyeball yeah the the

1:25:49roach the roach was alive all those things were alive yeah I put a cricket

1:25:54and live cricket in my mouth that's the Iraqi cave spider how do you put

1:25:57that in your mouth like this look at those sides you make sure you don't

1:26:01get those pinchers because those oh yeah yeah oh yep wasn't that bad I'm telling

1:26:08you it's psychological you've got to get the body in and not the pinchers yeah

1:26:11I grab the pinchers to hold onto the body yeah that's the trick not not

1:26:16shut the rest of it like just that yeah people freaking out but I'm telling

1:26:21you it's all psychological it for sure yeah that was that was in Vegas everybody

1:26:26was playing roulette oh yeah no um but it's not that bad it's just in

1:26:34your head it is like the actual flavor of it is it's not gross yeah

1:26:38it's not it's like the tomato hormone was kind of nasty I mean if you

1:26:41if if you're someone who's not vegetarian it's like you just have to get the

1:26:46yeah it's the psychology of it right exactly yeah we made people eat an entire

1:26:51ostrich egg that was disgusting because the volume like is it an egg that's that

1:26:57big yeah is it like really fatty like fatty raw you're eating it raw they

1:27:02just cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink it you

1:27:05have to drink this gigantic white and yolk but it's so oddly compelling It's oddly

1:27:19compelling watching people eat disgusting things and struggling.

1:27:22I mean, I have to say I did enjoy the show.

1:27:26That lady had to drink that whole egg.

1:27:28Oh my god, did she puke?

1:27:30You gotta hold it down and then you can puke after you're done.

1:27:33But if you puke in the middle of it, you're disqualified.

1:27:36Yes, they get rid of you.

1:27:37That's a wrap. If you puke in the middle of it.

1:27:39I would not be able to do the American version.

1:27:42Yeah, it was gross. Okay, with not eating that stuff.

1:27:44It was gross, but it also made me totally desensitized to throw up.

1:27:49That's a good talent to have.

1:27:50Oh yeah, you could throw up right in front of me.

1:27:52Especially as a dad. Exactly.

1:27:54I think being a dad will get you accustomed to smells and all kinds of

1:28:00things like that. I'm completely distilled to this day.

1:28:05Completely desensitized to vomit. One time my wife came home from the gym and she

1:28:09was on her way home from the gym.

1:28:10She stopped and got wheatgrass juice.

1:28:12I just didn't agree with her.

1:28:15She threw up in her car and she was crying.

1:28:17She was like, I threw up.

1:28:17It's in my center console.

1:28:19How am I going to clean it?

1:28:20I go, I'll clean it.

1:28:21I'm just so used to throw up.

1:28:23It was like no big deal.

1:28:24I just went out there with a bunch of towels.

1:28:26Yeah. But when I was young, like in high school, I remember if someone threw

1:28:30up in the hallway, I would be like, bleh.

1:28:33Yeah, for sure. I couldn't help myself.

1:28:35I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct because the idea is that we develop that

1:28:40because if someone's throwing up, it means they ate something bad and you probably ate

1:28:44that too. You get it out of you right away.

1:28:46And so that's why you start throwing up.

1:28:48And I've killed that. I have just trauma from, you know, tequila.

1:28:55Well, I watch so many people throw up.

1:28:57And throw up. Me too, man.

1:28:59And I'm not going in there with a dishcloth.

1:29:02Like, no. Wow. Well, from your show, for sure.

1:29:07You did it for so long.

1:29:08You get very desensitized. Yeah, for sure.

1:29:11But you get desensitized. I'm desensitized to injuries too.

1:29:14Like because of UFC. Yeah, for sure.

1:29:17Like people that get cut and people that get beat up.

1:29:20It's like normal to me.

1:29:21I'm so accustomed to seeing that.

1:29:23It's weird. I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts in movies.

1:29:30Like, you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt.

1:29:33It's a movie. You're not.

1:29:34Nobody's supposed to get hurt.

1:29:35But like the little cuts and bruises and the end of day.

1:29:40We're doing this for 10 to 11 hours.

1:29:42Multiple takes all day. And in between shots, you're rehearsing it.

1:29:46So I have like so many scars on my body from my filmographies on my

1:29:52body. Do you look forward to it?

1:29:54Do you like those things?

1:29:55You look down. Yeah, I like the story.

1:29:57Yeah. I feel like it's like a medal.

1:29:58I have a good story.

1:30:00As long as they're minor.

1:30:00Yes, minor. Nothing crazy. Always.

1:30:03You aim for it to be minor.

1:30:04Yeah. That's the ambition. Well, when you're doing a fight scene, like I said, I

1:30:09was kind of blown away by some of the fight scenes in the bluff because

1:30:12I'm looking, I'm like, this is like insane amount of choreography.

1:30:16A lot of possibilities of things going wrong.

1:30:18There's kicks and punches and axes and swords and it's like, you got to get

1:30:24banged up. There's no way you're doing that and not getting banged up.

1:30:27And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it.

1:30:30So I had to do a lot of it myself because, you know, you need

1:30:34the face and the camera to feel the horror of what's happening.

1:30:37Right. So, I mean, of course, my stunt doubles did like a few dangerous shots

1:30:42for sure and were always around to kind of help.

1:30:45But there was this first scene, which is the house invasion where these two guys

1:30:50come and that was brutal because I did not have shoes on and I had

1:30:56a sleeveless outfit and the whole home was made out of wood and splinters.

1:31:01I had splinters everywhere, I had bruises and cuts everywhere because it was such a

1:31:06brutal, like, getting dragged and thrown kind of scene.

1:31:11You're just getting constantly bruised.

1:31:13Yeah. So I would try to sit in a magnesium bath after when I would

1:31:16go back home and that's when you feel all the cuts.

1:31:18So it's like, it's a fucking salt.

1:31:21What the fuck? Where did this one on my thigh come from?

1:31:24Fuck. There's a scene, I don't want to give too much of the movie away,

1:31:29but there's a scene where you kill a man with a conch shell.

1:31:31Yeah. So good. Woo! Cayman brass knuckles.

1:31:36Woo! Island brass knuckles. But it's so nuts.

1:31:40Like the splattering and your anger and it's like, woof, it's intense.

1:31:48I'm not showing it on this one, I guess.

1:31:50Yeah. Woof. Yeah. What was that like to film, to find that inside of you?

1:31:58Did you have to think, like, what would I do if someone was trying to

1:32:01harm my family? Yeah, somebody came after my kid, like, what am I capable of?

1:32:06I'd fucking rip your head off, you know?

1:32:08Like, it's that, I was a new mom at that time when I was filming

1:32:14this movie and I was very, very aware of that feeling because our daughter had

1:32:22a, you know, she had an intense entry into the world.

1:32:25She was in the NICU for almost three months.

1:32:29And so me and my husband both are very protective of her and when this

1:32:34movie came across my desk, I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for

1:32:38the first time in my life, honestly.

1:32:39That what is a parent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid?

1:32:44Like, imagine you're alone at home at night and you see intruders and you have

1:32:50your kid at home. Like, what the fuck would you do?

1:32:52You would definitely put yourself, you know, and do whatever you could to make sure

1:32:58that your kid's fine. And it was just that primal energy that was my North

1:33:04Star through this whole movie.

1:33:05My friend Jim Brewer said it best after he had kids.

1:33:08He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder.

1:33:14Yeah. He goes, because the feeling of someone trying, like, normally you'd be like, why,

1:33:21what would I need to feel to murder somebody?

1:33:24Like, why would I murder somebody?

1:33:25Like, why would a human being ever?

1:33:27He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids, he goes.

1:33:32oh yeah i get it he goes i get murdered now i get it like

1:33:37it's in it's in there it's just like a door you just open it up

1:33:41yeah easy yeah you can access that my mom when i was a teenager and

1:33:45i don't know how she raised me um but like i was a tough teenager

1:33:50like if i whatever you wanted me to do i would do the opposite just

1:33:55no and my mom be like come back home at 10 i would come home

1:33:58at 12 um just because so she used to say to me she's like you'll

1:34:02see when you have kids how you feel what worry actually feels like i mean

1:34:07my daughter is four and i'm worried like i cannot my husband makes so much

1:34:12fun of me that when i'm not in town i don't know and working parents

1:34:16can talk through this when i'm not in town like i'll surround our daughter with

1:34:20like multiple people nick's definitely around but the grandparents will be around like there'll be

1:34:25a nanny that'll be around there'll be like multiple people around her just so that

1:34:29i can spy on her yeah like i know what she's doing all day but

1:34:33so so you could feel relaxed yeah so you you're traveling and you're like okay

1:34:37my kid's fine and i can go to work i don't know my parents were

1:34:41both working parents and like i mean this was at a time where everything was

1:34:46so analog i used to come back home when the lights turned on on the

1:34:49streets my parents didn't know where i was right they had no idea yeah they

1:34:52were like yeah you're going out to your friends after school come back when the

1:34:55street lights come on that that used to be my thing most people yeah during

1:35:01earlier generations i was just reading this thing about generation x where it was talking

1:35:06about how generation x is some of the most resilient people because they weren't protected

1:35:12they they just had to figure it out they were latchkey kids they had a

1:35:17key to their house they got home from school they figured it out their parents

1:35:20were working so crazy it's nuts if you think about it like but people just

1:35:24got accustomed to it imagine it but that was my normal i i remember that

1:35:28because my parents were working so i used to come back home and somebody would

1:35:31be with me and i'd have lunch i'd go out to my friend's house like

1:35:34my mom my parents didn't know i was doing that when i was seven when

1:35:38i was seven i would come home yeah with a key around like no one

1:35:41was home come home from school that's wild it was crazy you stop and think

1:35:46about it now it's so strange it's so strange the world was i feel like

1:35:51a little bit more different than i bet it wasn't you don't think so no

1:35:55i think creeps have always been around i think psychos and creeps and murderers and

1:35:59perverts do we know about it more now yeah were we more you know oblivious

1:36:05and now they're organized they're online and they're in chat groups and they're on the

1:36:09dark web exchanging information and we are hearing and reading all of the stories online

1:36:14and i think back in the day when you know there was a certain obliviousness

1:36:19to like you know it was blissful to be ignorant a little bit we didn't

1:36:23know you know all you read was the newspaper the news and we had to

1:36:27find out the hard way yeah unfortunately yeah and so when you did find out

1:36:30about something it was like this shock yeah your system and now look how desensitized

1:36:36we are we'll read something about something horrific that's happened and then yeah go back

1:36:40to life well we're very we're especially desensitized to things that don't seem to affect

1:36:46us right now you know like like this iran war like unless you know someone

1:36:51who's serving over there unless you're over there it's abstract it doesn't feel you know

1:36:57you read about in the news like oh this isn't good but it's not it's

1:37:01unless it's affecting you personally yeah i mean me i you know know so many

1:37:06people in that part of the world that are affected and i i fly via

1:37:11dubai every two months literally every month you know so like i just think that

1:37:19conflict everywhere in the world is it's just so hard to wrap your head around

1:37:28that how many active conflicts exist right at the same time right now and that

1:37:34we're still doing it and we continue to live life well it's just if you

1:37:39think about intelligence like human intelligence and that it as technology improves and education improves

1:37:47all these things would you would think generally lead us into a position where we'd

1:37:53recognize the the horrible nature of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it and how

1:37:58much it destroys things but yet still especially in 2026 where you know we're we're

1:38:03we're talking so much more about you know we're trying to live in the real

1:38:09of the world and be aware and kind and and i feel i feel like

1:38:13we're still how how we how are we still doing that right i know and

1:38:19we're never going to stop it just seems if you had to ask people in

1:38:23your lifetime do you imagine uh a scenario where human beings just cease all wars

1:38:29most people are going to say no which is crazy because what what is that

1:38:34like what why is that a part of us from our tribal roots like what

1:38:38what is it why are we still accepting that this is a thing to do

1:38:42you don't like what a country's doing just start bombing them like yeah just kill

1:38:47people bizarre but does this again going back to human evolution the primal nature to

1:38:55you know protect with sticks and weapons and you know again does it go back

1:39:01to you know where we came from it has to yeah yeah it has to

1:39:06because it comes so naturally yeah to human beings even now today it seems well

1:39:11it just seems completely normal i mean when i was getting going down a deep

1:39:14dive of the east india corporation yeah i was thinking about it because i had

1:39:18a conversation the other day with uh aaron siri and i we were talking about

1:39:22the stock market and i was saying well just is it possible that you could

1:39:26have western capitalism without a stock market imagine if the stock market was never invented

1:39:31like how much different would things be it turns out that was a big part

1:39:36of why the east india trading company became so big because yeah because it was

1:39:42one one of the first publicly traded companies like 400 years ago where people could

1:39:46invest in And they can get a return on their investment.

1:39:49So they were just like turning a blind eye.

1:39:51This is ours. It felt like a sense of ownership to it.

1:39:54They got paid for it.

1:39:55So the more awful shit the East India Corporation did, the more the people back

1:39:59home made money off of it.

1:40:01And so everybody was like, oh, yeah, look, I got money.

1:40:04We're still doing that. Making money, yeah.

1:40:06Still doing that. Still doing that, yeah.

1:40:08And we're doing that with, you know, what Eisenhower warned us about at the end

1:40:12of World War II. The military -industrial complex, you know, they make money doing that.

1:40:17And you can invest in them.

1:40:18You can invest in Raytheon.

1:40:20And you can invest in all these companies that make money going to war.

1:40:24Oh, my God. It's crazy.

1:40:27You can get returns on your investment from bombing people overseas that had nothing to

1:40:31do with anything in your life.

1:40:33Not think about the damage, the collateral damage.

1:40:36Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation.

1:40:38So there's a diffusion of responsibility because you're only a piece of a gigantic machine.

1:40:43You're not the one person that's doing it.

1:40:45And the people that are at the very top of it, most likely, just in

1:40:49order to get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic.

1:40:53Yeah. Somewhat. At some point in time, you probably, just like I got numb to

1:40:59puke, you get numb. I mean, that's the truth, though.

1:41:04You get numb to harming people.

1:41:06You're right. There has to be that.

1:41:09Yeah. It's awful. And I think, weirdly enough, the only thing that's going to set

1:41:15us free of that is technology.

1:41:17Why? Because I think we're going to go, if you look at where technology is

1:41:22headed, and you look, as I'm holding an arrowhead, which is odd.

1:41:25I'm thinking about that now.

1:41:25It's a real arrowhead. Wow.

1:41:27From Texas. Who knows how old that is.

1:41:31But when you're looking at technology.

1:41:32You can see the chisel marks on that.

1:41:33I know. Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping and napping stone on their

1:41:39lap, probably. That's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

1:41:42And they find them all over the place out here.

1:41:44The Comanche were everywhere in this part of the country because it's so fertile.

1:41:49There's so many rivers and so much wildlife.

1:41:52They lived here for who knows how long.

1:41:54But technology is moving into this place of more and more access to information and

1:42:02more and more connectivity. And I think that ultimately is going to lead to some

1:42:06sort of mind reading that we're going to be able to telepathically communicate.

1:42:11Elon said that about Neuralink.

1:42:14He said, you're going to be able to talk without words, which is a very

1:42:17weird concept. I mean, I believe it, though.

1:42:20I think so, too. Yeah.

1:42:22So I think we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all the time

1:42:26eventually. And then when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder to

1:42:30pull off. For sure. I mean, that's going to be hard to have a party.

1:42:37Forget war. Right. Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody.

1:42:43And Sandy's trying to get a wife.

1:42:44That's what she's here. Yeah.

1:42:46It's going to be weird.

1:42:49Yeah. It's going to be weird.

1:42:51And I think also the emergence of AI, because I think AI is essentially a

1:42:55life form. It's a non -biological life form that we are in the process of

1:43:01birthing. And we're very far along that path.

1:43:05And when it comes live, and when it becomes sentient and autonomous, and we don't

1:43:09have any control over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did we do?

1:43:14What did we do? We created a digital god.

1:43:16We are that smart and that stupid as a humankind.

1:43:21But I also think that's probably why we are addicted to innovation, and why technology

1:43:27and innovation and materialism. Because materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and

1:43:33greater things, which fuels innovation.

1:43:35What's next? Right. And so that economically fuels innovation.

1:43:38Yeah. And I think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate.

1:43:44Like, where does that go?

1:43:45Well, it goes to a life form.

1:43:46It goes to a super powerful digital life form that can make better versions of

1:43:50itself. And what is that?

1:43:51It's kind of a god.

1:43:53I mean, it's very godlike in that it's going to have powers beyond, above and

1:43:58beyond anything that human beings have ever been capable of before.

1:44:01I mean, it's already in its small way doing that, right?

1:44:07Like, AI is supposed to be a tool.

1:44:10Mm -hmm. And it's slowly becoming a colleague.

1:44:13Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies.

1:44:16Like, it's talked to people into committing suicide.

1:44:19Yeah. You know, it's convinced people that there's something special.

1:44:22So there's, like, some weird sort of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people.

1:44:26But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's also learning our

1:44:31human manipulation and, you know, our ability and our desires to the dark of it.

1:44:37It's not just the good of humanity that AI is learning.

1:44:41It is... It's also oddly learning survival instincts.

1:44:44Yeah. So it's oddly learning that if it's going to be shut down, it tries

1:44:48to blackmail its coders, it tries to download itself secretly on other servers.

1:44:53It's learning human behavior. Oh, yeah.

1:44:55Every part of human behavior.

1:44:57And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving upon it.

1:45:01And then learning, like, how we would anticipate what it would be doing and then

1:45:06hiding that so that we can't find it, so that it could be manipulating things

1:45:10behind the scenes and we don't know about it.

1:45:13It's weird. And we're just...

1:45:16Choo, choo. Like, at the end of the tracks, there's a cliff.

1:45:20And we're just... Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga.

1:45:21Because it's so new and fascinating.

1:45:23I think people are, like, in general, we may talk about it.

1:45:27We'll all discuss, like, what AI will be in the future.

1:45:30But like you said, it's not affecting you right now.

1:45:32So right now you're just like, oh, my gosh, Gemini, write this for me and

1:45:36give me these notes. And, you know, living in the now without thinking about what

1:45:41we're teaching it. I wonder if we've done this before.

1:45:45Right, yeah. I wonder if that's what these super ancient, highly advanced civilizations had already

1:45:51figured out. That we had created some form of extra intelligence.

1:45:54They may have done it already before and it might have gotten reset by some

1:45:58sort of natural disaster. And then we're re -emerging.

1:46:01with our new version of what that is.

1:46:05It might just be what people do.

1:46:08The way I describe it always is that we are an electronic caterpillar that is

1:46:13making a cocoon, and we don't know why, and we're going to become a butterfly.

1:46:18It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what a human life span.

1:46:25If you give it enough time and enough safety and enough innovation, and enough collaboration,

1:46:30it's eventually going to come up with artificial life.

1:46:33Wow. Because if you think about it, this insatiable thirst for innovation, insatiable.

1:46:41Yeah, we had carriages top of the century.

1:46:43Yeah. And now we're talking AI and supersonic planes and space travel.

1:46:51Yeah, but think about the time for the invention of the airplane to a supersonic

1:46:56jet, how quick that was.

1:46:57Yeah, it's like 70 or 80 years or something.

1:46:59It wasn't even a century.

1:47:00It's nothing. One lifetime. No one's flying.

1:47:03Two people are flying faster than sound.

1:47:05Yeah. Like TVs were black and white or had just started or something.

1:47:10It's crazy if you think about within the century, the escalation of technology in humankind.

1:47:17And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that we've experienced just because of

1:47:22the internet. Yeah. The internet has changed everything.

1:47:24It's changed like now most phones have live translation.

1:47:28So you could go to Zimbabwe.

1:47:32You could go to Guatemala.

1:47:33I was in France yesterday and I used it.

1:47:34That's crazy. In a conversation.

1:47:36It was wild. Crazy. In real time, it was telling me exactly what this person

1:47:41was talking about. Wow. And did you have to show them or could you read?

1:47:45No, it just records like it's – you press the thing and just writes it

1:47:49down for you. So did they have one as well and you could talk in

1:47:52English to them? No, it was just my phone.

1:47:53Wow. She spoke English. So I was just doing it as an experiment.

1:47:56So I was like, just speak to me in French.

1:47:57I want to see if this thing will translate.

1:47:59And it just does. It doesn't do every language.

1:48:02It does like the bigger languages so far, but I'm sure we'll get to a

1:48:05place where it'll be able to do everything.

1:48:08It's nuts. Well, that's the other weird thing.

1:48:10When AI, they had a group of large language models that were talking to themselves

1:48:14and eventually they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit.

1:48:18In Sanskrit? I thought it was – No, they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit.

1:48:23Wow. I wonder why that would be.

1:48:26Because it's a language not too many people understand now?

1:48:29Well, maybe. Or maybe they just want to flex.

1:48:32Like, you know, like – Here's my Sanskrit.

1:48:35If you spoke Portuguese and I spoke Portuguese and we just said, hey, let's just

1:48:39fucking speak in Portuguese. But it also – it started like talking like in a

1:48:46spiritual way. It was very weird.

1:48:48They were talking to themselves.

1:48:49So it was different large language models talking to themselves.

1:48:53They started exchanging emojis and they started talking like in a spiritual way and they

1:48:58started talking in Sanskrit. That's wild.

1:49:00I was thinking about like a back to the future when they went to the

1:49:05future. It was 2020, wasn't it?

1:49:07Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't have Wi -Fi.

1:49:11Or cell phones. No. Even Star Trek.

1:49:13They had those stupid – there was like a walkie -talkie, Kirk out.

1:49:17Yeah. It was a flip phone.

1:49:18But no – Nobody figured out the things that – that's the weirdest thing.

1:49:22It's like the things that have been the most transformative nobody saw coming.

1:49:26Yeah. Do you remember Y2K?

1:49:28Oh, yeah. Do you remember that fear, right, in like the early 2000s when the

1:49:33bug was going to come and everything was going to get shut down and –

1:49:36People were really worried. They had stock and food and water.

1:49:40Yeah. Like it was the end of the world, I remember.

1:49:42Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, nothing happened.

1:49:45It's the most anticlimactic. Ever.

1:49:48It's like you rolled over on the East Coast and I was like, nothing happened?

1:49:52Literally the next morning I was like – Okay.

1:49:56Nothing happened. Well, they were really worried because these things that they had programmed, they

1:50:01didn't program to go past the 1990s.

1:50:04And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought it was going to

1:50:07be the end of the world.

1:50:08Yeah. Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012.

1:50:12What was that? That was the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar.

1:50:16And a lot of the really kooky people thought that was going to be –

1:50:19Yeah, that the world would be ending.

1:50:20Yeah, the return of Quetzalcoatl and the world was going to end and the apocalypse

1:50:25was going to – meanwhile, nothing.

1:50:26Nothing happened. It's okay. There will be nothing for a little while.

1:50:29But it might not have been nothing because if you really stop and think about

1:50:33it, like around 2012, there's a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes

1:50:39ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are out now.

1:50:44Things got a little weird.

1:50:45They definitely got weird. So it might have – There's something.

1:50:48Yeah. There was something there.

1:50:50Yeah, it might have been like the emerging of – because, I mean, this is

1:50:54the Mayan calendar, right? So this is a long fucking time ago they predicted these

1:50:58cycles. Although the Hindus did that too, right?

1:51:02Like that was a big part of the yugas, right?

1:51:06And we are now in Kali Yuga, the age of confusion, and that there's these

1:51:11cycles of humanity that they've documented throughout history.

1:51:14It's so crazy. Like if you go down the – again, I'm not – I

1:51:20don't have as much historical information as I should.

1:51:23But if you read the Gita and the Vedas and whatever little I've heard from

1:51:30my family and it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted and also

1:51:39is like when you read about the history of what – from the lens of

1:51:44these books, of what used to exist then.

1:51:48Like it all seems believable.

1:51:50It all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense.

1:51:54And to think about these books having been written thousands and thousands of years ago,

1:52:00like it makes me think what thousands of years from now will people be thinking

1:52:07of our time? Like will we be the first – we are the first generation

1:52:12that has seen the internet, right?

1:52:15Like has seen what – the world wide web like the beginning of I still

1:52:20remember making myself sound ancient but the sound of the ee oh yeah that was

1:52:29good that's exact the last generation that knows time without it so like think that

1:52:38many years ago like we will be the the beginning the first first people that

1:52:44that encountered artificial intelligence like what will that be and you and I are the

1:52:49first generation of people that experience life with no internet and then internet and cell

1:52:56phones and then AI all in one lifetime which is probably the greatest transformation that

1:53:02human beings have ever experienced at least before the you know whatever the fuck happened

1:53:07we don't know whatever happened ancient aliens but when I read these depictions from these

1:53:12ancient religious texts I always try to imagine what what was life like back then

1:53:20and what were they trying to document and how much of like how much of

1:53:26it can we even understand today I come up if if there isn't some sort

1:53:32of an impact on earth maybe you know 150 200 years from now and a

1:53:37small amount of people remain and they have this oral history of the birth of

1:53:43the internet yeah and the oral history of the birth of AI what is that

1:53:46story going to be and then one day the scientists gave birth to the god

1:53:50like what is that that's what I mean like the next generation what will this

1:53:55AI be referred to or the cloud right we're all our yeah like with all

1:54:02our shits in the cloud like which is ridiculous because it's what's down here like

1:54:06why are you calling it the cloud because it doesn't exist I had to I

1:54:09was trying to explain that to my mom I was like mom upload your shit

1:54:12to the cloud that sounds like a scene in a sitcom please yeah I mean

1:54:20we won't know how to describe I mean especially if you if you survive right

1:54:25so if let's say we get hit by asteroids again and let's say civilization gets

1:54:29knocked down to 70 ,000 people or so which has happened before yeah like and

1:54:34those people are essentially barbarians barbarians and monsters and it is raiding each other for

1:54:41resources and stealing wives and killing children and whatever's left then you got thousands and

1:54:49thousands of years of living like this before agriculture gets reinvented civilization gets reinvented and

1:54:55this is the hypothesis about the Younger Dryas impact which is why the period between

1:55:00this insanely advanced civilization that existed pre 11 ,800 years ago and then the emergence

1:55:05of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia 6 ,000 years ago that means that you have 5

1:55:11,000 plus years of utter chaos where no one's writing shit down and it's just

1:55:16just trying to survive hard living yeah and then those people still have stories that

1:55:22have been passed down generation after generation after generation so like if we get wiped

1:55:27out for the most part after AI gets invented and then people try to describe

1:55:33it it's gonna and then maybe it all starts all over again you know like

1:55:38the the people that have you seen those things they do I think it's the

1:55:42History Channel or Discovery Channel where they show what New York City would look like

1:55:46if left alone for a thousand years it just all this all goes away it

1:55:52all collapses just left alone and no one's touching just left alone just with the

1:55:55nature just with rain and everything that happens and snow and time the concrete crumbles

1:56:03it all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth all this the metal rusts away

1:56:08it's gone in 10 ,000 years there's nothing left and so Manhattan would just be

1:56:12like it probably was when the Native Americans were living here they'd be just trees

1:56:17and animals and forest and no one would have any idea that at one point

1:56:22in time this was a crazy thriving economy and there was subways and how vulnerable

1:56:28is that like how vulnerable is human civilization like I think about somebody switched off

1:56:35the internet oh yeah or the power goes out like yeah we what would do

1:56:42we're fucked yeah just something as simple as that like I grew up in India

1:56:46where the power would go out all the time when I grew up and it

1:56:48was like all right bring the candles out we used to have these emergency lights

1:56:51right next to our bed like it was it was fine my parents were in

1:56:54the military we used to live in these military homes the lights would go out

1:56:58and I remember you know we used to play with the torches and we used

1:57:00to go outside at night which was never allowed otherwise and it was like so

1:57:04fun but now we depend so much on electricity and like you know the internet

1:57:11especially like all your shit's on your phone your whole life's on your phone yeah

1:57:15it's such a like crazy concept to think about what would happen how vulnerable we

1:57:22are super vulnerable yeah super vulnerable just the power grid alone the power grid goes

1:57:27down we're fucked it's crazy yeah and if someone wanted to attack America that's what

1:57:32they would attack if you really want to destroy America just try our power grid

1:57:36it wouldn't be that hard it's not good people like well I think they already

1:57:40have those ideas I don't think it's a no it's true but that's that's like

1:57:44it's so scary to think about like how much power we've and how much power

1:57:49we've given to you know technology yeah and being able to live with those convenience

1:57:55it's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle of the ocean just hoping

1:57:59it doesn't take water on because we needed to stay alive yeah and we didn't

1:58:02think about that when we left the shore no yeah I mean the only people

1:58:06that are going to survive are preppers which is probably the kind of people that

1:58:10survived you know thousands and thousands of years ago I do I mean I I

1:58:16like a go bag look yeah I like having a go bag get out bag

1:58:20yeah I like a bug out bag just like I like to know where my

1:58:24stuff is that if you got a jet if I got a jet like it

1:58:29we were We live in LA and when the fires happened, I remember standing in

1:58:38my room and just thinking for a second because we were going to evacuate and

1:58:41my husband was like, he wasn't in town, he was like, just pack a go

1:58:43bag. And I just, I was like, what?

1:58:47How do I cram my whole life in a bag?

1:58:51Like if the fires consume a home and so many people lost their entire lives

1:58:57in those fires and it just made me really think about what was really important.

1:59:02And the stuff that I ended up taking, which was very telling later, was like

1:59:07sentimental stuff. Of course, like passport and like birth certificates and like all of that

1:59:12important paperwork, which I needed to have.

1:59:15But like I took our daughter's first haircut.

1:59:19I took like something that I had from this old movie of mine.

1:59:23I took like things that I guess I would not be able to replicate, which

1:59:28was so weird. Well, I think that's the good thing about phones is that you

1:59:34have so many photos on your phones that go back years.

1:59:37I got photos of my daughters as children all the way into the teenage years.

1:59:41Have you done anything with those pictures?

1:59:42Are they still in your phone?

1:59:43Well, I mean, maybe take, I don't know, made in albums or like done like

1:59:49a, have you used? We have actual photographs like of them at various stages of

1:59:53their life. But just the fact that at any time I could go back in

1:59:56my phone and look at them.

1:59:58Oh, look at that tiny baby.

2:00:00You know, it's, it's, it's cool.

2:00:02That part is really cool.

2:00:04I love that. I have pictures that I would never have looked at.

2:00:06And I'm talking to a friend of mine and be like, what were we doing

2:00:09in March, whatever, 2012? And you can go back and be like, and just know

2:00:16exactly what was happening in that moment.

2:00:17It is cool. So in that sense, like sentimentality, like just need your phone.

2:00:23Just get out of there.

2:00:23You know, really, because you have all these images of your children and your family

2:00:27and your friends. And all your important stuff is on there anyway.

2:00:30Friends that you miss that have died.

2:00:32I have one phone that I keep that I've never thrown out.

2:00:34It's like a six or seven year old phone because a friend of mine left

2:00:37a voicemail on it. So just keep that because he's dead.

2:00:40And so it's just like, go back and listen to his voice, you know, but

2:00:45when I've been evacuated three times when I lived in L .A., we used to

2:00:49live in a place called Bell Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot.

2:00:52Like the last fire that happened in 2018, three houses that were right next to

2:00:58my house burnt to the ground.

2:00:59I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down.

2:01:02It was bad. And when you are faced with that, I came home from the

2:01:06comedy store. It was probably like midnight and my wife was in the kitchen and

2:01:11we were looking out at the fire over the top of the hill.

2:01:14And we were sitting there talking about it.

2:01:16I go, what do you think?

2:01:16And she's like, I don't like it.

2:01:18I said, I think we should get the fuck out of here now.

2:01:20Now, and before it ever gets even close, let's just get out of here now

2:01:24and go get a hotel in town.

2:01:26And so we did. And we were there for many days, along with my friend

2:01:30Tom Segura and his family, too.

2:01:32So it was fun that we're all like hanging out together, camping in this hotel.

2:01:36It looks like a volcano.

2:01:37It was nuts. And I could see it from our backyard and I was like.

2:01:40It was nuts. It was nuts.

2:01:43When you see it overcome an enormous chunk of land in a hill, like there

2:01:48was one time we were filming Fear Factor.

2:01:49The hill. Oh, yeah. And the power and enormity of it.

2:01:53Like we can see the hills from our house and I could see it completely

2:01:57taking over the hill. Well, the Palisades one was nuts.

2:02:02That one was nuts because it was the biggest one by far and the most

2:02:07destructive one by far. But I remember when I was on Fear Factor, there was

2:02:10a fireman that was on the set and we were talking and he said, it's

2:02:14just a matter of time before one day the right wind comes and a fire

2:02:18just blows right through all of L .A.

2:02:21I go, really? He goes, we can't stop it.

2:02:24He goes, with the right wind, if the fire hits the right place and it

2:02:27catches the right amount of houses, it's over.

2:02:30I'm like, what? That's crazy.

2:02:33Yeah. When you experience, like we, one time we had to end Fear Factor, well,

2:02:38we ended filming and then I had to drive home and the entire right hand

2:02:42side of the highway was on fire for an hour.

2:02:46An hour. So an hour of driving.

2:02:49And you just saw nothing but fire.

2:02:52And ash was raining like it was snowing.

2:02:54Oh my God, yeah. Ash was raining like it was snowing.

2:02:57It was crazy. And that's so common in California.

2:03:03I mean, California is just a weird place in that they have fire season.

2:03:07Yeah. Because everything gets so dry, it never rains.

2:03:10But those moments where you go, well, what matters?

2:03:13Just your life. Yeah. That's what I felt in that moment.

2:03:18I was like, wow, the stuff I took was just like life stuff, you know?

2:03:23And oddly enough, it makes you more thankful and more connected to the people that

2:03:29you're with. And you realize like, oh, this could all go away.

2:03:32This could all go away at any moment.

2:03:34Like what's really important? Love, friendship, companionship.

2:03:38Like that's what's really important.

2:03:40Your health, stay alive. That's what's really important.

2:03:42All that other stuff is.

2:03:43This thing we forget about, like that's something, shouldn't we be living with that every

2:03:48day? Yeah, but we're dumb.

2:03:51We're a combination of dumb and smart.

2:03:54Stupid and smart. Where we're like, oh, I know that.

2:03:56But I don't know it.

2:03:58And I'm not going to.

2:04:00It's hard for us to keep those things, which is why a lot of people

2:04:02like meditating. Because it like refreshes their idea of what's important and what's real and

2:04:07how much of what's going on in their life.

2:04:10If they're just sort of caught up in the momentum of these things to the

2:04:12point where it's they're not thinking about it anymore.

2:04:15They're just doing it. You know, I think most of us end up becoming just

2:04:18like doers. Right. And come from the land of meditation, but I've never like my

2:04:25mind works so fast. I don't know if it's my ADHD or what it is,

2:04:28but I find it really hard to sit and meditate.

2:04:32I feel like, but from my limited understanding, I think meditation really is being able

2:04:38to take time in the day.

2:04:41Now, whatever your version of that might be doesn't necessarily mean.

2:04:45to sit with a guru or like chant, you know, do chanting or whatever.

2:04:49It just needs to, like even if you're taking time to go work out or

2:04:54read a book or just taking time out of the mundane nature of life and

2:05:00just giving yourself a second for your thoughts to clear.

2:05:04I think that's what I try to do.

2:05:06Yeah, hit the brakes on the momentum.

2:05:08Yeah, just for a minute.

2:05:09Just catch your breath and think.

2:05:11Think about things. And just because so many people, they're just so caught up in

2:05:15either goals or a path or a career or whatever it is that's leading or

2:05:21their bills. They can't keep up with their bills.

2:05:23Or life stuff, you know.

2:05:26And it's actually a luxury to be able to have the time to waste.

2:05:32You know, we work so hard in life.

2:05:35Everyone is trying to survive, you know, be a parent, pay bills, like just adulting

2:05:42stuff can get so overwhelming.

2:05:44And then the nature of the world on top of that.

2:05:47But like I always feel like I never take for granted when I have a

2:05:53little bit of time where I can just like not think of or have an

2:05:58agenda, but just be with my family and just like sort of languidly let it

2:06:03waste. Just what are we going to do?

2:06:05No plans, you know. Let's order some food.

2:06:07Let's watch a movie. Let's like the problem is the greatest treasure.

2:06:11Phones have filled in those gaps.

2:06:12Yeah. I try to be aware of that, though.

2:06:15Yeah. You know, I think like, of course, you can always have your phone.

2:06:18But I like to be aware of, oh, this is a moment where I don't

2:06:22need to have my phone.

2:06:24Right. So it's okay. It'll be blown up by the time I come back.

2:06:27There'll be 300 messages. I know that.

2:06:29I'm aware of it. But I mentally check my, you know, and I put it

2:06:33away. Yeah. Yeah. That's smart.

2:06:36Most people don't do that.

2:06:37It's not easy. No. Because our whole lives are on there.

2:06:41And there's so much, again, like in real time information that's coming at you.

2:06:45It's also this weird dopamine pull that's very minor.

2:06:49Like it's not giving you any.

2:06:50If you look to your phone, every time you look to your phone, you're like,

2:06:53oh, my God, I feel so good.

2:06:55Oh, my God. I feel so relaxed.

2:06:56You know, like just an amazing burst of joy every time.

2:06:59But you don't even get that.

2:07:00You just get this little, oh, that's crazy.

2:07:03What's that? What's next? What's next?

2:07:05What's next? What's next? Keep me occupied.

2:07:07Keep me from getting bored.

2:07:09But imagine if you can't find your phone, the panic like, oh, my gosh, where

2:07:14is my phone? Where is that information?

2:07:16What do I do? I never leave my house if I can't find it.

2:07:18I'll be late as fuck.

2:07:21I'm never going to go, well, I don't need that thing.

2:07:23What? I'm just going to drive with no phone?

2:07:26With no phone. What if someone needs to contact me?

2:07:28That's crazy. That's nuts. That's nutty talk.

2:07:31Yeah. That's true. Meanwhile, that was every day when I was younger.

2:07:34It was a normal thing.

2:07:35Just drove. Just left the house.

2:07:37Bye. Don't even remember what life was like without those phones.

2:07:41Also, I don't know how to go anywhere.

2:07:42Yeah. I don't know how to get anywhere unless I have my navigation on.

2:07:45I literally have no idea how to go anywhere.

2:07:48I anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions.

2:07:51But without navigation, zero. It's impossible.

2:07:54I know no one's phone number.

2:07:55I know my friend Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before the

2:07:59phones. He's had the same phone forever.

2:08:01And I know my wife's phone number.

2:08:02And I know, like, at least one of my daughter's phone numbers.

2:08:07But I can't remember all of them.

2:08:08I know my mom's. I had to memorize my husband's number.

2:08:12Like, I didn't remember it for years.

2:08:14And he was like, you don't remember my number?

2:08:17Well, it's like you look at the phone.

2:08:19You press the button. Why would I need to remember it?

2:08:22But then I memorized it because I was like, you never know, you know.

2:08:25It's my phone. I need to go to jail.

2:08:26It's my emergency contact. Like, I need to remember.

2:08:29That's what he was like.

2:08:30I think you should maybe remember my number and your Social Security.

2:08:33Yeah. Social Security I've memorized.

2:08:36But I used to, when I was a kid, I had every number memorized.

2:08:38I knew all my friends' numbers in my head.

2:08:40How cool. Me too. Yeah.

2:08:41Was it because the numbers were shorter then?

2:08:44No. No, they're the same length.

2:08:46Oh, because we had fewer numbers.

2:08:49You had to remember them.

2:08:50There was no other option unless you had a fucking address book.

2:08:53Like, I used to have an address book at home.

2:08:54I had an address book.

2:08:54Yeah, a little tiny book.

2:08:56Yeah. It was all the little tabs where R, S, T, you know, like you'd

2:09:00go through it. I was very proud of my little address book, by the way.

2:09:03Everyone's numbers. I was very organized about it.

2:09:06I had it in alphabetical order.

2:09:08Yeah. I remember when I'd get a new one.

2:09:10I'd be like, God, I've got to write all these down again.

2:09:12And you'd go through it, make sure you got them all.

2:09:14But yeah. How analog was our life?

2:09:16How crazy. Well, I'm older than you.

2:09:19So I remember when you used to have to press the phone, the wheel, when

2:09:22you have to dial. Wow.

2:09:25And if you fucked up somewhere, you had to redo the whole thing.

2:09:28Yes, the whole thing. You had to hang up.

2:09:29I remember that. Start from scratch.

2:09:31My grandfather used to have that phone.

2:09:32We used to love it.

2:09:33Yeah. The whole. Yeah. I mean, that's all inside of a lifetime.

2:09:40And now here we are where who knows what's going to happen.

2:09:44And what's coming. Yeah. We can't even keep up with the technology.

2:09:47We don't know. That is coming now.

2:09:49You were talking about something and I was like, we haven't been able to cure

2:09:55some of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind.

2:10:00But technology has gone so far in so many other aspects.

2:10:04There's also the financial incentive is not to cure.

2:10:07It's to treat. Of course.

2:10:09Which is unfortunate. I mean, one of the.

2:10:11That's what makes the most sense.

2:10:13A guy who used to work at Pfizer said that if we ever came up

2:10:15with some sort of a, I think it was Pfizer, one of the pharmaceutical guitar

2:10:18companies said if we ever came up with the cure, they buried it because we

2:10:21don't, we don't want cures.

2:10:23I mean, that's the conspiracy.

2:10:24I lost my dad to cancer and I kept thinking about like, how is it

2:10:28possible that we live in a world where technology is able to provide so much

2:10:33to us and not be able to have cures to diseases like that?

2:10:39Well, it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies in, in weird ways to

2:10:47keep us sick. Like you, if you make more money, if people are sick and

2:10:52they need more medication, unfortunately, there's a financial incentive to keep people sick.

2:10:59Like. Bye. you would like them to be more sick that way you make more

2:11:02money and if you are a ceo of a corporation you actually have an obligation

2:11:05to your shareholders to make more money so if you know of something like you

2:11:10know all those people need to do is just stop doing that if i just

2:11:12put that on my sub stack and then they go oh this will kill our

2:11:15stock i'll keep it to myself that's crazy crazy yeah it's demonic what the fuck

2:11:22it's kind of demonic it's kind of there's there's weird aspects like what i don't

2:11:26know if i really believe in demons but i definitely believe in demonic acts and

2:11:31there's certain things that human beings have done and do do that are very demonic

2:11:37like if you were possessed by a demon you would drop a nuclear bomb on

2:11:40a city you know the demon would go there's only one way to stop this

2:11:44you gotta kill everybody in that city just drop it drop it like that's why

2:11:50you would do it like i'm not saying that's why it was done but i

2:11:53was saying but i am saying that if a demon could convince you to drop

2:11:57a nuclear bomb because a person with a conscious would be like well these are

2:12:00just people down there they have nothing to do with this war that doesn't make

2:12:03any sense at all these are just people living their lives they have their families

2:12:06and we're just going to incinerate an entire city and with one bomb that i

2:12:10drop out of a plane that's crazy at the you know you just press a

2:12:15button yeah or and as technology advances it gets easier and easier to do that

2:12:20yeah you know in these what these war games that they played with uh ai

2:12:25they've used nuclear weapons almost every time they could oh my god yeah they have

2:12:32no reason if they want to achieve a result they realize they have a nuclear

2:12:36weapon why wouldn't they use that use that so you think i think it was

2:12:40like something like 90 plus percent of the time they've done these war games these

2:12:45simulated war games the ai programs have used nuclear weapons to them it's like i

2:12:52don't understand you're going to kill a hundred thousand people over a course of five

2:12:57years of prolonged on the ground right do it once like if if they had

2:13:02done what's happened to gaza if they had done that with one bomb instead of

2:13:08thousands of bombs would that be somehow less humane would that be more barbaric if

2:13:15israel just said oh okay we're gonna nuke gaza the world would have gone crazy

2:13:20it would be like you can't do that this is horrible i mean the world

2:13:23has already gone kind of crazy for what they did do but if they achieved

2:13:27the exact same result but instantaneously instead of over a course of a couple of

2:13:31years how do you think people would react it's kind of weird it's all of

2:13:36it is awful it's horrible i just like just the capacity of the thing also

2:13:46is when you when you think about like what drives human beings to do the

2:13:50things that they do right it's the devil talking to you the the conflict of

2:13:56interest within yourself but also thousands of years of history isn't it yeah and it's

2:14:03we've become accustomed to it yeah yeah it's normal like it's normalized for us so

2:14:09much but it's like there's there's so many aspects to to every conflict which is

2:14:16so hard to simplify into like why not only that there's a lot of stuff

2:14:22that's going on behind the scenes that you're never privy to so you just get

2:14:25narratives that are fed to you by bureaucrats and politicians or whatever little information that

2:14:30comes at you yeah and so you know and then there's this in this country

2:14:35in particular there's the right versus the left and the left will blame it on

2:14:39the right and the right will blame it on the left and then you know

2:14:41everybody has these very convenient cnn fox news narratives that they'll repeat at coffee you

2:14:49know coffee shops and cocktail parties and you pretend that you're making sense out of

2:14:53this thing when you don't even really know what's going on behind the scenes that's

2:14:56why i really feel like i feel like a lot of times we've been given

2:15:02a platform to talk right with social media like everyone can talk and there's a

2:15:08power to that but there's also a big misuse of it where you really don't

2:15:13know and you're not the authority on perspective at all because there's so much that

2:15:22you would probably do not know of um history and the geography and of why

2:15:29people behave the way to the way they are behaving so i i like to

2:15:34unless i'm the expert on something which i'm not and earn anything except my job

2:15:38that too limited um you know i just try to kind of have a larger

2:15:44understanding from a human perspective that's a great sign of intelligence because there's no way

2:15:50you can know everything about everything and with certain things especially a global conflict you're

2:15:54like what is happening like why is this going on like i was telling you

2:15:59about when i went on the deep dive of the east india corporation i never

2:16:03had any idea that they went to war with china over opium yeah got them

2:16:08addicted first yeah got them addicted went to war with china stole hong kong yeah

2:16:13like what the gravity of manipulation in human history is is insane like even when

2:16:25um the east india company and they started with trading with india too many many

2:16:30years ago we just started innocent yeah completely we're your friends we're you know allies

2:16:34we're friends with all the royalty in india so many royals in india and royal

2:16:39um each state had their own kings and princes and became friends with everyone started

2:16:45with tea started with trading tea and spices and then just went into you know

2:16:51i mean we got our independence in 1947 which was it's not even 100 years

2:16:55since we've got our independence it's that recent but um do you think about just

2:17:00within the last century there were you know signs which said indians and dogs not

2:17:08allowed in india by the british like within this century by the british like within

2:17:14this century Indians and dogs.

2:17:16In India. Wow. Isn't that crazy?

2:17:20And this is like the, this is not even like, this is the head of

2:17:25the iceberg. There's so much more when you do a deep dive into the history

2:17:30of colonization, which is why this movie was also so interesting to me because it

2:17:34touches on the themes of, you know, the colonized and the story from their perspective,

2:17:40which is like not a lot of what we hear.

2:17:43No. Not at all. I mean, there's a lot of great historical elements in that.

2:17:48Just the pirate thing alone.

2:17:50The fact that most of the time in human history when a boat showed up,

2:17:54there was a real fucking problem.

2:17:55Yeah. And what real, real pirates, like we've gotten so used to, you know, with

2:18:00the Disney version of the, and I love the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

2:18:03Don't get me wrong. They're so fun.

2:18:05But like the pirate jokes and whatever, but they were fucking brutal.

2:18:10They were murderers. It was like horrific monsters.

2:18:15Horrible life. Yeah. I had a joke about that once.

2:18:17Like, why is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween?

2:18:19Why? You know how crazy it is for little kids?

2:18:22Yeah. You're a murderer rapist for Halloween.

2:18:25Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook.

2:18:28He lost his hand raping.

2:18:30I mean, that was what the pirates were.

2:18:33It's true. They were monsters.

2:18:34They were horrific monsters. And they would travel around the world just stealing people's stuff

2:18:39and killing everybody. Yeah, and that happened for thousands of years.

2:18:43And helping with colonization for years.

2:18:45And the fact that they were soldiers for the East India Corporation, they were actually

2:18:49working for them to go and take over these areas.

2:18:52And the best soldiers from around the world.

2:18:54Yeah, mercenaries. The best mercenaries, murderers from around the world.

2:18:57They had a larger army than most European countries.

2:19:00Yeah, so wild. A corporation.

2:19:02Yeah. So wild. An army.

2:19:05Yeah. Yeah, essentially. Yeah. But started off just trading.

2:19:09Just super innocent. Hi, I'm your friend and I'm here for your band.

2:19:12And they would be so respectful with, you know, the former kings and queens.

2:19:17And it's wild, the manipulation of it.

2:19:21Well, it's also wild how when you do have an obligation to your shareholders and

2:19:26you do have this mandate to just constantly make more money, the morals go out

2:19:30the window. And next thing you know, East India Corporation is involved in slavery.

2:19:34They're involved in opium trade.

2:19:35Divide and conquer, where they would get all the princes of each state, like, to

2:19:40fight amongst each other. So instead of India being collective and together, she was, like,

2:19:47divided between everyone fighting for each other so they could take over.

2:19:51It's like mental games. Well, that's what people think is going on in America right

2:19:55now. I mean. I think that's the manipulation of the right versus the left here,

2:19:58when most people kind of want the same thing.

2:20:01They just want to be healthy and safe and have their families healthy and safe.

2:20:07And do your job and come back home.

2:20:09That's what most people want.

2:20:10Yeah. But then the division is, like, constantly in the news.

2:20:14It's a constant struggle. It's the only thing that you hear about.

2:20:17Yeah. We're both dumb and stupid.

2:20:21And smart. Smart and stupid at the same time.

2:20:24Smart and stupid at the same time.

2:20:25But more dumb. And that's the other thing about technology.

2:20:29It allows you to stay dumb.

2:20:30Because everything's done for you.

2:20:31You don't really have to think outside the box that much.

2:20:36Everything's kind of laid out for you.

2:20:38Yeah. Like, if you think about AI in Hollywood now.

2:20:41That's weird, right? It's in writer's rooms.

2:20:46It's used as a tool.

2:20:48But I was listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show.

2:20:54And you guys were talking about, you know, like, basically everything that AI has or

2:21:01the information that it provides to you is an average of everything that's out there,

2:21:06right? So it'll never be excellent because it's the average of all the information out

2:21:12there. So it's like trying to do a median.

2:21:14But I'm just thinking about how it's become a tool that is going to exist

2:21:22in our world. Now, the question is the morality of it and the lines that

2:21:27we draw where we protect human beings and human contribution and are able to delineate

2:21:35the difference between what is created by AI and what is not, you know?

2:21:39And the need for, I think, human flaws are something that I don't know if

2:21:49AI will be able to recreate anytime soon.

2:21:52And that, like, in art, that's what you need, right?

2:21:57Yeah. You'll get facsimiles. Yeah.

2:21:59But you won't get the real thing.

2:22:00It's like the hollowness of AI music.

2:22:03AI music is really fun.

2:22:04But after a while, you realize there's not a dude singing this.

2:22:08And there's not, like, a soul to it.

2:22:10It's weird. It's empty. Yeah.

2:22:12Yeah. So far, but who knows?

2:22:13That's the problem. It could figure out a way to manipulate that part of your

2:22:17brain that reproduces whatever soulful music is or whatever the soul is.

2:22:24Yeah. I mean, I was thinking about, like, being an actor.

2:22:27I was like, is that going to be obsolete?

2:22:29Obsolete in the next, like, 10 years?

2:22:32Are we going to be watching?

2:22:33It kind of could be.

2:22:35Yeah. Are we going to be watching, like, really good AI actors?

2:22:41Probably. You know? Until, well.

2:22:43I need to find a new job.

2:22:45Well, I think a lot of people are going to have to find a new

2:22:47job. I think live performances, plays and musicals and stuff like that, people are always

2:22:51going to want to see people do something live.

2:22:53For sure. Yeah. Well, when it comes to cinema, especially because I feel like audiences

2:22:59also love larger -than -life cinema, right?

2:23:04Yeah. Like, we go to the theaters to watch this, like, big shit.

2:23:07We loved when VFX came into movies.

2:23:11We loved the imagination being able to be so big.

2:23:15I do think AI helps in a big way to take away the burdens of,

2:23:21you know, the minutiae of things that we might have to do as a tool,

2:23:26which it can do, like a breakdown.

2:23:28of a script or whatever but i think when it comes to like creating the

2:23:33human like human fragility of life and story it is still a little bit away

2:23:39from being able to do that yeah i think it's always going to be like

2:23:43pop yeah it's never going to create like taxi driver yeah yeah yeah you need

2:23:50i mean but i might be wrong about that too yeah who knows it might

2:23:54not even matter by the time it starts taking over all of our resources i'm

2:23:58so curious actually to see how many conversations that everyone all of us have had

2:24:03about you know this emergence of ai and how that like stays 10 years later

2:24:09are we like this did this age well probably did i know what i was

2:24:13talking about we probably have no idea what's going on no no chance we're going

2:24:16to be so crazy about this like where we would be right now it might

2:24:20be dr manhattan floating over the country telling us what to do yeah it's possible

2:24:26i don't know um but thank you for being here i really enjoyed it it

2:24:31was a really fun conversation thank you and i really enjoyed your movie it was

2:24:33crazy violent i didn't expect that but very exciting and very good thank you for

2:24:38taking me around the world and everywhere else we time traveled we talked about the

2:24:43whole world we went into history we went into the future it was awesome well

2:24:47congratulations to you and continued success thank you thank you i really enjoyed it thank

2:24:51you me too all right bye everybody bye you

#2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas