Hour 1 - AOC Whiffs Big Time
2/16/202637 mincomplete
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2:03Speaking of people who don't read, this is a perfect transition, I might say.
2:10AOC and Gretchen Whitmer at the Munich Security Conference.
2:15No doubt, two women who are going to be running, probably along with Kamala, which
2:20we don't need to talk about that right now.
2:22It's sad. Probably going to be running for president.
2:26And that means that they need to burnish their national security credentials.
2:30Now, I will say, Clay and I pre -show had the discussion.
2:33Do we get into Rubio's speech, which was truly magnificent?
2:38The best Secretary of State speech I have heard, or certainly that I, I know
2:45I just watched it, but that I can remember.
2:48It was phenomenal. It addressed a lot of things.
2:51The defense of Western civilization, the ties between America and Europe, the bond that goes
2:55far beyond just a treaty or obligation of statute.
3:00This is something that is much deeper.
3:02We'll talk about that. But, Clay, let's start with this.
3:06AOC asked some questions about some things.
3:08I want to start with her.
3:11Should the U .S. defend, this is cut eight, should the U .S.
3:14defend Taiwan if China goes for it?
3:17Play eight. Would and should the U .S.
3:22actually commit U .S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?
3:28You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that this
3:37is a, this is, of course, a very longstanding policy of the United States.
3:48And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure
3:51that we never get to that point.
3:54And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic
3:58research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to
4:05even arise. Clay, it's law school class, and AOC got called on by the professor.
4:11And not only did she fail to do the reading, she doesn't know what case
4:15they're talking about. It's worse than that, Buck.
4:18It's like she doesn't know that there is a legislative, executive, and judicial branch of
4:24the United States government. This sounded like, if you remember the megaviral answer, the Iraq
4:31from Miss South Carolina back in the day, that went, maybe we can grab that
4:35and interspice them because I think that would be a fun take.
4:40To me, this kind of answer is disqualifying.
4:42And you might say, okay, Clay, what do you mean by that?
4:47AOC has been in Congress now, Buck, for what, eight years?
4:51Basically, didn't she get elected back in 2018 -ish, if I'm not mistaken?
4:56So I think she's been in Congress for around eight years.
4:59That's my recollection of her career.
5:02What we should do if China invades Taiwan is one of the constant hypotheticals that
5:10has existed for basically two, three generations where people have answered.
5:16Here is an easy answer that AOC could give if she had in any way
5:21a functional brain. Right now, I am a congresswoman.
5:24I don't dictate foreign policy, but I think it's important that we maintain our longstanding
5:30policy of strategic ambiguity. Maybe one day down the line, if I remember sitting behind
5:35the resolute desk, I'll have to reconcile what strategic ambiguity actually means.
5:41But today is not that day.
5:43Next question. I just did it off the top of my head.
5:46You and I are not eight year congresspeople.
5:49We are not professional politicians.
5:51You probably know way more about this by far than most professional politicians do because
5:57you just came back from Taiwan.
6:00But to be this poor at responding to a question that is not in any
6:07way difficult. Buck, if she had been asked, hey, there is a major issue right
6:12now on the border between India and Pakistan, where should the border actually be drawn
6:19based on the inherent tensions that have existed in that region since the 1940s?
6:24What parallel should the line be AOC?
6:27AOC, like some questions you get asked and you could say, OK, like I understand
6:32why there's not a definitive answer there.
6:34This is not one of those.
6:35It's one of the most basic questions of rudimentary knowledge that anyone in American politics
6:42should be able to answer just immediately without even any difficulty whatsoever.
6:46I would I would I would even raise the ante and do what you just
6:51did. It's even worse than that, Clay, because usually AOC knows what answer her audience
7:00wants to hear because she has come across this before.
7:05She doesn't even know which side of this she's supposed to be.
7:09Well, that's partly true for her side.
7:12Right. So usually it would be, you know, if it's anything having to do with
7:16Israel, take the anti -Israel side.
7:18And that's what that's what her team wants.
7:20That's what the left. That's what the commies want.
7:22Anti -Israel. That's what AOC has to do.
7:24Right. There are some issues where it just falls in this bucket.
7:27Is it white people and brown people anywhere in the world?
7:30Any issue? Got to favor the brown people.
7:32That's just what her audience demands.
7:34That's what her supporters expect.
7:35And then you sit here, you go, OK, on this one, she doesn't even know
7:41what side of it her supporters want her to be on.
7:45So it's yes, there's the lack of knowledge, the lack of information.
7:48That's clear. But beyond that, there is she hasn't even thought about this enough to
7:54know what rote answer she's supposed to give this.
7:57And I'm what I was going to say, this ties in directly to your point,
8:00Buck, when she answered about Rubio saying, hey, there's a history of Europe even founded
8:06in the Cowboys and how they came to exist.
8:09This ties in with that, Buck, where her default is just white people, bad brown,
8:14black people, good. And that's going to be the metric under which I try to
8:18answer any question. But it just exposes her.
8:21Listen to this, Buck. Cut six talking about Cowboys.
8:24Rubio's speech was a pure appeal to Western culture.
8:31My favorite part was when he said that American cowboys came from Spain.
8:38I thought they came from Winnetou.
8:40I believe the Mexicans and descendants of African enslaved peoples would like to have a
8:47word on that. She doesn't know.
8:51To be clear, that wasn't a misstatement.
8:53She doesn't know that there were no horses, nor was there any domestication of animals
8:58in the Americas, with the exception, as I pointed out on Twitter, of llamas by
9:03the Incas in South America.
9:04There were no horses, there were no cows that were domesticated in North America, or
9:10at least in the, you know, 50 states or 48 states of America and Mexico.
9:15And Clay, she doesn't know that the natives got their horses from the Spanish conquistadors.
9:20She doesn't know, it seems, she doesn't know, it seems, that Mexicans are descendants of
9:27Spaniards. That's why they speak Spanish.
9:30There's a reason for, I was going to say, there's a reason for an Espanol
9:33in Mexico. They're not speaking Aztec down there.
9:37Yeah, right. I also think her opening criticism, we've got one more cut from her,
9:43and I do think the disconnect in the average intellectual heft between Marco Rubio and
9:49AOC is, I don't know, 30, 40 IQ points, potentially, in terms of their ability
9:55to communicate and understand larger issues.
9:57Yes, Marco Rubio defended Western civilization, because Western civilization is the foundation of all, basically,
10:06human progress throughout the past thousand years, 2 ,000 years, however far back you want
10:12to go. And this is also tying in to your point with, she just kind
10:18of falls back on this identity politics claptrap, which is a camouflage for morons from
10:25having to actually engage on an intellectual level with complicated ideas, where she says, again,
10:32brown and black people, heroes, whiteness is imaginary.
10:36I don't even know what that means, cut seven.
10:38There's a very big difference between whiteness and national, like your actual culture, right?
10:48Whiteness is an imaginary thing.
10:51Being German. is real being italian is real uh you know being english um these
10:59are rich cultural heritages that are based on values and they are so much a
11:07part of what make our our our cultures and our societies what they are okay
11:13let's let's let's play this game for a second though so what is blackness yeah
11:18to be clear what is what is black culture i didn't want to play this
11:21game for a second uh if you start saying things like uh you know jazz
11:27music uh you know i don't know you know basketball america that's african -american that's
11:33black american culture yes to her point how is it any different i'm pretty sure
11:38that the people of mozambique think of themselves as living a different culture and different
11:42life than people who grew up in the suburbs of philly or chicago or in
11:46the city center pretty sure so what exactly is her point somebody who talks about
11:51black and brown people all the time oh that's right brown people peruvians and people
11:57from malaysia very similar culture very similar well they're are they all brown they're brown
12:04so what is brownness what are black and brown people in her context this is
12:08what's so i mean i think it's also funny buck she says western civilization isn't
12:13a thing and then she goes and says british german and italian cultures are real
12:18and they should be proud like she isn't even capable of maintaining a coherent line
12:24of thought because and i do think this is important identity politics has so overtaken
12:30the democrat party that they cannot look at anything outside the prism of colonizer and
12:37colonized it so overtakes oppressor and oppressed it so overtakes their mind and destroys their
12:45ability to think that they can't cannot even acknowledge or understand historical context as a
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14:49uh we have uh our talented team has mixed and matched aoc with and this
14:58is great 2007 miss south carolina do we know buck what happened to 2007 miss
15:04south carolina i may have to grok it to find out where she is now
15:07but for those of you who have uh uh forgotten this was viral buck in
15:14the earliest days of social media like this is rock like such as oh yes
15:20oh yeah we have now mixed aoc and i would encourage producer greg to do
15:25a video version of this and share it on social media because i think it
15:29will do well here is miss south carolina asked about iraq and here is uh
15:34now a mix aoc asked about what should happen with taiwan and china enjoy recent
15:40polls have shown a fifth of americans can't locate the u .s on a world
15:44map why do you think this is i personally believe that u .s americans are
15:52unable to do so because uh some people out there in our nation don't have
16:00bounce um you know i think that uh this is such a uh you know
16:08i i think that and i believe that our education like such as in south
16:14africa and the iraq everywhere like such as and this is a This is, of
16:23course, a very long -standing policy of the United States.
16:29I believe that our education over here in the U .S.
16:34should help the U .S., or should help South Africa, and should help the Iraq
16:39and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for
16:43our children. And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to
16:48make sure that we never get to that point, and we want to make sure
16:52that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to
16:58avoid any such confrontation, and for that question to even arise.
17:03Thank you very much. That is very well done.
17:06That is very well done.
17:07Her name, by the way, Buck, Caitlin Upton.
17:10She was Miss Teen USA, and she went on to Appalachian State University, go APSU,
17:19and she is now married with two kids.
17:22Oh, sorry. She got divorced.
17:24Well, anyway, that is where she has now gone.
17:29Really? She married a personal trainer.
17:32They got divorced a couple of years later, so I'm sorry.
17:36Maybe Caitlin's listening right now.
17:37Maybe she went for the abs over the character.
17:40You know what I'm saying?
17:41That's a mistake, ladies. It's a mistake.
17:43Take it from a guy with more character than abs.
17:46Maybe. Maybe she should be in Congress.
17:48Maybe that's the lesson we should take here, because AOC's been in Congress eight years
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18:57So it wasn't just AOC who had a bit of a moment at the Munich
19:05Security Conference. Gretchen Whitmer, who I think knows about as much about national security as
19:15I do about SEC football defensive coordinators.
19:20I would just say SEC football.
19:23Wow. Really? It's a Monday.
19:24We're going right for it.
19:25I don't think you have to go specifically to the coaching staff.
19:28I think SEC football probably gets you.
19:30You know, you think you know a guy and then out of nowhere, kicking the
19:35shins. All right. Yeah, fine.
19:37SEC football. Fair point. Now, now, Gretchen Whitmer is over there and we all know
19:43why she's there, right? She's, you got to think, I actually think she may be
19:47in the best. It's funny actually, isn't it?
19:48Because these are two women, if you were asking me, and I guess we can
19:52do this now, bet on the 28 Democrat VP, these two women would be the
19:59top of my list and maybe even the number one, number two slot.
20:02I think that's fair. You need a woman for the ticket.
20:04I don't think you can have a woman on top of the ticket because they've
20:08tried that a few times and they've lost.
20:09So I think they're going to get away from that.
20:11I think it probably is going to be Gavin Newsom, could be wrong on that,
20:14but no matter who it is at the top, unless it's one of these two,
20:18but I don't think that's going to happen.
20:19I think Gretchen Whitmer is very likely as a Democrat VP and actually, this would
20:26be interesting. Who do you think right now is AOC, if you had to place
20:30a bet, AOC or Whitmer for VP, forget about who the president is, VP, which
20:35one do you think has the better shot?
20:37I have to say, realistically, it's Whitmer.
20:39I agree with you because Michigan is must win.
20:42There's no world in which Democrats win in 2028 without winning Michigan.
20:49They have to win Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, probably all three, but they cannot win
20:55without me. I think they should have picked Shapiro or Whitmer in 2028 if Kamala
21:00weren't a moron. If we were going to sell our souls and try to help
21:03the bad guys win and they hired me and they said, who should I would
21:06say, Clay feels the same way.
21:08Michigan, you got to win Michigan, and more than ever, probably for the Democrats going
21:13forward, they got to win Michigan, and Gretchen Whitmer, I think, could help deliver that
21:16for them. That all is going toward this, though, which is she's over there because
21:23she has to create this perception that she's more than a state governor, that she
21:29could be on the national stage.
21:31And here is how that went for her.
21:33Let's listen to Governor Whitmer weighing in on national security abroad.
21:38On Ukraine, what does victory look like?
21:41No, please. I'd love to hear your answer.
21:46It is. And here is.
21:47That's it. The two that I am on the panel with are much more steeped
21:52in foreign policy than a governor is.
21:55But, you know, I do think that Ukraine's independence, keeping their landmass and having the
22:03support of all the allies, I think, is the goal.
22:07From my vantage point, go ahead, Ambassador, do a better job.
22:12Now, can I say something?
22:14She at least knows that she knows nothing and was willing to kind of so
22:20much. The AOC thing was like, no, I'm really smart.
22:24I'm really smart. I don't know anything, but I'm smart.
22:27And everyone's like, no, you're not.
22:28This one, at least she's willing to be like, I know nothing, but I will
22:31say this, Clay. She should know more than this.
22:34You work in politics. You should have more to say than that.
22:37And you want to be president.
22:39You traveled to Munich for a foreign policy conference.
22:43It's not like she got hit on meet the press.
22:47And the first question was, hey, how do we get Grand Rapids booming again?
22:53Just picking a random Michigan region, right?
22:56An area in which the governor should know.
22:58And then the next question was, where exactly should the line be drawn when it
23:03comes to Ukraine and Russia trying to develop a peace accord?
23:06When you and she's sitting doing an interview in Lansing, when you travel to a
23:12foreign policy conference, it doesn't seem ridiculous to me that you could do a bare
23:18minimum of foreign policy research, because otherwise you could just say, hey, I'm so busy
23:24being governor right now. I don't have time to travel to Europe and sit on
23:28a foreign policy panel. And also, again, I come back to there are some conflicts
23:34which are not very well known or very well covered.
23:37And that could be a complicated question to answer.
23:40Answering a question as an American politician in 2026 about Ukraine and Russia, as Whitmer
23:49was asked, and about Taiwan and China, as AOC was asked.
23:54Probably, Buck, if I were doing prep, let's pretend that you and I were sitting
23:57around and we were thinking, hey, what might you get answered in Munich at a
24:02foreign policy conference as a American?
24:06I would think those are number one and number two, most likely questions, maybe about
24:11NATO, maybe about the U .N.
24:14You know, like I can think of other three and four, but I would argue
24:16that's one and two most likely to be asked.
24:19This isn't like, hey, weigh in on the Rohingya crisis and the border dispute between
24:26Bangladesh and Myanmar. No, this is like that's really vague.
24:32Very few people even know about that as a thing unless you work in international
24:35diplomacy or something, although it is a real thing.
24:37It's pretty nasty. Point is what you said, which is this is the absolute top
24:42of the list. Like, OK, I'm just going to I'm just going to lean into
24:45this. So when I went into the football game, the big one that I didn't
24:48even know if I'm allowed to say what it's called on radio because there's all
24:50these rules. But I think I can I can say the Super Bowl.
24:53I think I can mention it right.
24:54We they're trying. They always try to protect the use of the phrase Super Bowl,
24:58which means everybody's like when you watch the big game, whatever, it's a Super Bowl.
25:01It's a there's a First Amendment right that the NFL should step off anyway, because
25:06you can refer to things when you're talking about things that are going on in
25:09the world without their say.
25:10So that's pretty it's pretty annoying that they have that weird policy.
25:13And the Oscars does kind of the same thing, too.
25:14Like, how dare you? You know, it's like but usually that's with video.
25:17Point being, Clay, you gave me some some crib notes so that I could go
25:22in there with all the other dads and moms with their kids.
25:25It was like a child friendly Super Bowl.
25:27So it was basically just like romper room.
25:29It was like people just on tricycles ramming each other.
25:32I gave everybody out there for people who forgot.
25:34I gave you like two points that you could make to seem like you were
25:37sophisticated. And then you just withdraw and you've demonstrated enough conversant knowledge on football.
25:43So I'm just saying I deployed those points and it was like I was welcome
25:47in the football tribe for the day.
25:49It was like, yeah, that's right.
25:50You know, yeah, people thought because they didn't know they don't know who I am.
25:53These are like friends of friends.
25:55Mostly it wasn't my Super Bowl party.
25:56So I see them like normal with foreign policy.
25:59It's the same thing. You get prepped by your team.
26:02You know what the main things are you're going to say.
26:05You say those things and everyone feels AOC and and Whitmer couldn't even do that.
26:11They couldn't even pretend to know who the QBs are, Clay.
26:14Yeah. And I would also point out Whitmer, to your point, at least a laugh
26:19to offer ignorance. And a lot of people will give you a pass if you
26:23just say, hey, there's a lot of people who know way more about that than
26:26I do. AOC is in Congress.
26:30There are constant hearings about what should happen if Taiwan is invaded by China.
26:36This is not I mean, she is in the federal government, which would be called
26:40upon to respond. Again, I gave you an answer, which is just, hey, I'm a
26:45congresswoman right now. I don't dictate foreign policy.
26:47I think it's important to maintain our policy of strategic ambiguity.
26:51Maybe somewhere down the line, if I'm sitting behind the resolute desk and we get
26:55president AOC, then I will have to make a determination on that as a factual
27:00matter. I hope not, because I hope that China never invades Taiwan and we don't
27:04have to deal with the international implications of that incident.
27:07Boom. That's an answer, Buck.
27:09I didn't need to get prepped.
27:11I'm not in Munich. But if you go to a foreign policy event.
27:15You or I, even if we were super busy with our other jobs, could get
27:20briefed for one hour on the 10 biggest global flashpoints in America and be able
27:26to handle any question on those incidents.
27:29It's just indicative of not doing a bare minimum of homework and also not being
27:36very, it makes me think that all they do, and I think there is a
27:40great deal of this, is just memorize answers.
27:43And I think that's going to become increasingly exposed in the modern era when all
27:48that matters is authenticity. We were just talking about this off air.
27:52Trump creates every single week three stories that 10 years ago would have destroyed any
28:00other politician, right? Every single week he says three things and everybody loses their mind
28:07and they last about 24 hours because people understand that Trump is a bull in
28:13a china shop and they have come to accept the good with the bad, for
28:16better or worse, right? And the funny part about this is obviously the people with
28:21the worst Trump derangement syndrome still believe, oh, this time, this time we got him.
28:27He's definitely done the unbelievable at every time.
28:29It's like Lucy with the football.
28:31They come running up. They're Charlie Brown.
28:33Football gets moved around. They fall on their back and they're staring up at the
28:36sky and Trump just gets more powerful.
28:38It's because as long as you fulfill the expectations that you have set, most people
28:45are willing to accept what you are.
28:47And I just look at AOC and Whitmer and I say they're supposed to be
28:52the adults in the room.
28:53These were not adults in the room conversations.
28:56And if you think you're going to be VP, I think AOC is going to
28:59run for president. I think Gretchen Whitmer is going to run for president.
29:03I think these guys are going to get exposed because they haven't done the bare
29:07minimum of homework. Now, the scary thing, Buck, is you can maybe argue none of
29:12this matters. I know. Because you and I are talking about it.
29:15But if you like AOC or you're a Democrat, you just frankly don't care about
29:20the fact that they don't even have functional abilities to answer a question.
29:23Also, AOC screwed up the equator with Venezuela, which I'm more.
29:31Did you see this? I'm sorry.
29:33No, I didn't see this.
29:35We can grab the audio of that.
29:37She said you can't just go to countries that are below the equator and do
29:41whatever you want to them.
29:43Venezuela is above the equator.
29:45Now, I actually am willing to give a little bit more of a pass on
29:49that. But it goes into the identity politics thing in her mind, right?
29:52If she had just said Latin America, that is the right answer.
29:56But she decided to try to claim that she knew where the equator was and
30:00didn't understand that Venezuela is above.
30:02She leaned into sixth grade social studies and came up snake eyes on that one.
30:08That's too bad. I think that, unfortunately, one of the byproducts of social media as
30:15increasingly a dominant form of communication and all the different platforms together is that politicians
30:23now are increasingly, they're influencers.
30:29Yeah. I mean, they're social media.
30:31They've always been influencers. But I'm saying they're social media influencers.
30:34They're characters. They are entities online more than anything else.
30:40And so a lot of these things just come into, do you like the way
30:45someone looks? Do you like the way they sound?
30:46Do you like their general style and the kinds of things that they say?
30:51If they're an abject moron with a history of terrible decision making, and I don't
30:57know that a lot of people really care.
30:59I think that that's increasingly what we're heading toward.
31:02You know, it used to, didn't it used to be like, they would have, you
31:05know, go back to like, I don't know, the 1880s or something.
31:09People would do the, the politician would do the train stop tour and go to
31:12some places and give some speeches.
31:14But you really, you know, you read the speech in the newspaper and you read
31:18what the party platform was and you kind of just went from there.
31:21Now it's like, I like that guy.
31:24He seems nice. I'm going to vote for him.
31:27Here's a good question for you.
31:28What percentage of this audience is active on social media?
31:33Oh, I think if you include Facebook, 80, 80 to 90%.
31:36Oh, you think that high with, with, with, with Facebook?
31:39Yes. I think we probably have more Facebook people than anything else by far.
31:43I think Twitter is less than 5 % or X is less than 5%.
31:47I think TikTok is less than 1%.
31:49And what else am I missing?
31:51Instagram is probably like 30, 40%.
31:53I would say of our, of our people are on Instagram.
31:55So my point on this is our audience is going to hear these AOC answers.
32:01Is anybody who watches MSNBC going to ever hear these AOC answers?
32:06Is anybody who watches CNN ever going to hear these AOC answers?
32:09Are they going to penetrate into, I'm not on Facebook personally, but I understand that
32:15they've kind of pivoted Facebook more back towards, hey, here's the kid, grandkid photos and
32:19less politics. Um, I, I, I mean, I have, I think those channels play, they
32:24view it as, they view it as a betrayal.
32:27Actually, if you show your home team looking dumb, they get mad at you.
32:34It doesn't matter that it's news.
32:35It doesn't matter the other sides talking about it.
32:37I think if you're an MSNOW viewer, I love saying it because I had to
32:41change the channel because the brand is such trash.
32:43Oh my gosh. If you're a CNN viewer, which they're going to start, I mean,
32:45they're just going to be selling Swarovski crystals on that thing all day.
32:48Just give it time. If you look at what their expectations are with the audience,
32:54truth that is bothersome to their audience results in anger at the host and ratings
33:01going down. No question. By the way, I know you make fun of how much
33:08I care about this. Because CNN is going to be either independent or it's going
33:14to be purchased by Paramount.
33:15And there's now talk that all of the Warner Brothers universe, which is HBO, which
33:21is CNN, all these different things, may be swiveling back towards Paramount buying them.
33:26Which is significant because Larry and David Ellison, who are prominent in the Paramount world,
33:33are not that, I almost cursed, are not bonkers, right?
33:39They're not crazy. They're not insane.
33:41And I do wonder what CNN might look like if they had owners who were
33:47just normal. And so that's going to be maybe decided in the next six months
33:52or so, even as CNN has lost two -thirds of its audience in the last
33:56several years. But that's one to kind of put a pin in and think about
33:59where things might be headed there.
34:00Have you ever come across a really serious, intense bird watcher who can be like,
34:06oh, that's a double -crested cormorant or that's like a ruby -throated warbler or something?
34:11I know that bird people are crazy in terms of their interest in bird feeders
34:16and everything else. I've never known an actual diehard bird watcher.
34:19Because my dad was one for a while, but I've come across some that are
34:22truly next level and how detailed.
34:25You're like a bird watcher of corporate media mergers and acquisitions.
34:29I don't know anybody who follows this stuff as closely.
34:32You have like a freakish level of knowledge of the latest board vote on whether
34:36these companies are going to mergers.
34:37I don't know anyone who follows this stuff.
34:39I love it. But I'm just saying, you're like the weird guy with the big
34:42binoculars who's like, oh, my gosh.
34:44Can you believe this new offer?
34:46A speckled house finch. It's like, dude, it's 100 yards away.
34:50How could you even see that without your binoculars?
34:52I can smell them. You know, they're like that.
34:54They're intense. All right. Big week ahead.
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36:13Welcome back in. Closing up the first hour here on President's Day.
36:18When we come back, we've got a couple of stories that are interesting.
36:21Buck was texting with me about this curling controversy.
36:24We'll have some fun with that.
36:26Obama has got a lot of thoughts.
36:28And I'll play the latest for you on Nancy Guthrie, as there now is a
36:35suggestion, according to an email sent to TMZ, that Nancy Guthrie may have been taken
36:40across the border into Mexico as that story now enters its third week of uncertainty.
36:47All that headed that in the direction of our number two.
36:51We appreciate all of you.
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