Hour 3 - Groundbreaking Treatment for Vets
4/20/202637 mincomplete
0:00This is an iHeart Podcast.
0:02Guaranteed human. Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.
0:07We are joined by David Rutherford.
0:10He is host of the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and Buck Podcast Network,
0:14which is growing month after month after month.
0:18The more of you find out about it, the more of you are diehard listeners.
0:21He's also a former Navy SEAL, saw combat in Afghanistan.
0:26We call him Rutt, by the way.
0:28Mr. Rutt, great to have you on, sir.
0:30Thank you. Gentlemen, it is a glorious day to be on with Clay and Buck
0:36today. I gotta tell you, big things are happening for the veterans community right now.
0:41Yes, they are. In fact, let's have the big guy himself lay out some of
0:45this, and then I wanna have you react to it.
0:47We're talking here about a Trump executive order, everybody, to help with veterans via psychedelic
0:54treatment for PTSD. This is what Trump said when he was signing this executive order,
0:58and Dave, we'll have you respond to this.
1:00This is cut six, guys.
1:02Play it. In 2024, a study from Stanford University, 30 special operation veterans with traumatic
1:09brain injuries underwent. It's called ibogaine treatment.
1:15Ibogaine. Remember the name. Is that pronounced relatively properly, what you said?
1:20Yes, sir. I don't wanna get it wrong.
1:22Ibogaine, because it's so important, and experienced an 80 to 90 % reduction in symptoms
1:27of depression and anxiety within one month.
1:32Can I have some, please?
1:37I'll take whatever it takes to.
1:41I don't have time to be depressed.
1:43You know, if you stay busy enough, maybe that works, too.
1:47That's what I do. All right, Rutt.
1:51Ibogaine, talk to us about this.
1:52How big a deal is it?
1:53What do you know about people that have used it?
1:55Go for it. So the biggest thing that everybody has to understand is that the
2:00epidemic of suicides within our special operations community and our regular veteran community are off
2:06the charts. The whole number of 22 a day, it's way more than that.
2:09It's gotten progressively worse over time.
2:12We saw a massive uptick in suicides, addictions, both alcoholism and pharmaceutical addiction, post -COVID
2:20again initially. The numbers are through the roof.
2:22And so there's been this great breakthrough treatment run by Marcus Capone and his team
2:28called the VETS program, where guys were going down to Mexico.
2:32They had discovered this, you know, some as far as, you know, eight, nine, ten
2:36years ago. And what they would do is they would take Ibogaine, which is from
2:41an alkaloid root over in the central West African area.
2:46They turn this into a liquid or they smoke it.
2:50And then they have this anywhere from eight to 24 hour revelatory experience, where basically
2:57they're doing is they're rerouting neuropathways by turning on aspects of their brain that essentially
3:04just haven't been in use because of all the exposure from long -term training and
3:09deployments, as well as the impacts on that physiologically and through behavioral health stuff, which
3:17ultimately a lot of people, a lot of us are calling the operator syndrome.
3:20So they started going down and they had this revelatory experience.
3:24You can find a great documentary on Netflix called Waves of War, where three Navy
3:29SEALs go through the process, including Marcus Capone, talks about his process and how it
3:36saved his life. It saved his marriage.
3:38It saved him as a father, basically rerouting and bringing back neuroplasticity so he can
3:46have a better, more productive life as a result of the impact that he experienced
3:51during exposure. So, but it's been, you know, a schedule, class schedule one drug along
3:57with all other psychedelics. That's psilocybin, that's LSD, that's ayahuasca, all these drugs that were
4:05just completely demonized and as the countercultural revolution got started in the late 1960s, that's
4:12Timothy Leary, that's all these guys back in the day, they shut it down, they
4:16ended it, and well, we've gone down to discover this is having revolutionary, positive impacts
4:23on people. I mean, I have 25 friends that have gone down to Mexico in
4:27this specific treatment, doing the Ibogaine one day, day off, and then doing 5 -EMO
4:32-EDMT, which you get off the back of a toad, and having these experiences, and
4:36they're able to come back and almost, like, the numbers are like, this one Stanford
4:41study that the president quoted, PSD symptoms down 88 % within one month, 71 %
4:48no longer meet PSD requirement, depression down 87%, anxiety down 81%.
4:54Now, you need to recognize it's not a miracle drug, it's not permanent and total
4:59all the time, but what it does is interrupts these opioid receptors, interrupts these addiction
5:04receptors, and regenerates a new neuropathway to constitute more natural, healthy dopaminergic, again, I can
5:14never say it, dopaminergic receptors to have that kind of steadier baseline so the veteran
5:20can begin to reintegrate in their lives and have a more functional.
5:24not getting underperformance the men the Casino that we way to approach life itself.
5:27David Rutherford with us. You can find all of his work as a part of
5:31the Clay and Buck podcast network.
5:33We got a lot of great talent in there.
5:34Many of you are really enjoying the podcast.
5:37What is the danger here?
5:39Because, you know, sometimes when it comes to experimental drugs, you look at them and
5:43you say, OK, worst case scenario, you've got someone who's on the pathway, let's say,
5:49to death. And you say, well, we can take a risk here to see whether
5:52this might work, because there isn't necessarily a lot of life left on the other
5:58side. Most of these guys, I would imagine, tend to be young.
6:02Now, within that construct, what is it, 21 former veterans a day commit suicide?
6:07It's an extraordinary, unbelievable, awful story.
6:11Is it worth the risk, I guess, given what we've got here?
6:15Or what is the downside?
6:17Yeah, this is not your recreational, I'm going to follow the grateful dead and, you
6:22know, take a hit of acid and, you know, trip off the side in my,
6:26you know, kind of guru type mentality.
6:29It's not that at all.
6:30Ibogaine is an experience most people who go through it will never want to do
6:34again. It's really powerful. It's really intense.
6:37There can be vomiting, there can be confusion, there can be a little bit of
6:41anxiety. But all of this is monitored, right?
6:44And that's what's critical to understand.
6:47There's doctors there, there's active nurses.
6:49One of the only real significant health risk is for a cardiac event.
6:55What happens is your QRS complex has a little bit of disruption because of the
7:00medicine itself. But what they do is they put guys on a magnesium drip during
7:04it, and it removes the potentiality of that.
7:07But otherwise, psychedelics are not addictive, right?
7:10They don't cause any stroke, they don't cause any of these other pumps.
7:14Now, they're, you know, obviously, we have a tremendous amount of research.
7:18And that's what this executive order, as well as what was passed in Texas, and
7:23their legislation to fund $50 million from the state of Texas for Ibogaine and other
7:29psychedelic research. And that's what it is.
7:32It's a it's, there's still this monster challenge in front of us, because you still
7:37have big pharma that essentially wants to control the entire drug space out there, in
7:43particular for mental health drugs.
7:44So there's going to be a lot of hurdles to overcome.
7:47What this does is it gives us a little breaching charge, it pushes in this
7:52monster bureaucracy, and allows us to begin to do the research, which we need.
7:57And so I just interviewed a guy named Tom Asito, a 16 year Navy SEAL,
8:03combat veteran, incredibly unbelievable story of what he went through when he got out as
8:08well to a horrible divorce.
8:11He lost his trident because he was trying to self medicate with marijuana and the
8:15naval special warfare community kicked him out instead of going, wow, the the handful of
8:20psychotropic pills we're given are making them worse.
8:23Right. And and then he you know, all these problems.
8:25Well, he went down seven years ago, did Ibogaine saved his life, and now is
8:30leading the charge in Tennessee.
8:32And what I he describes for an hour on the show, and that show will
8:36drop a week from today on Monday on the David Rutherford show, you can hear
8:41the the very the specifics of the the neurological benefits, the medical benefits, the emotional
8:48benefits to it. And then what he talks about is the step by step process,
8:53how this is going to begin to really impact the greater population, because a lot
8:59of times what they're saying now, Clay, is it's just as an appropriate for Navy
9:04SEALs or Green Berets or any of that.
9:06But we can apply it for firefighters, police officers, first responders and to the broader
9:11context, people that are suffering from really substantial childhood trauma that they experience or post
9:18-traumatic stress disorder. So there's others as well.
9:21Right. Right. Right. Like they're talking about psychedelics.
9:25Ibogaine is one of them.
9:27That's the one I've heard about the most.
9:28You and I've talked about this a little bit before in the context of operator
9:31syndrome and what some of these some of these guys are trying to do, trying
9:34to go through for modalities to address this.
9:38There's also and this one I had heard about before the five MEO DMT from
9:45it's a venom or secretion of the Sonoran Desert Toad.
9:49This is another intense psychedelic that has been used in this ketamine, MDMA, psilocybin, also
9:56known as magic mushrooms. I mean, there are other subs, correct, because Ibogaine is the
10:00big one that people have really been having incredible.
10:02But there are others that would be covered under this executive order, as I understand
10:06it. A hundred percent. Like you talk about five MEO DMT, your brain naturally produces
10:12a form of this substance through your pineal gland.
10:15And so and that one is not eight to twenty four hours.
10:18That's like a 20 minute experience.
10:19They actually call that the God particle and has really positive impacts on on well
10:25-being and just how you identify the self.
10:29Right. But psilocybin has been being studied at Johns Hopkins for years now.
10:34There's a huge funding research going on there.
10:37One of the most prolific studies that's often cited with just psilocybin in itself.
10:41It was given to geriatric patients suffering with terminal cancer in their final stages of
10:47cancer. And what you had is you had an 80 percent reduction in a.
10:52Anxiety or depression that was relative to the finality of their disease.
10:57And so it gave these people this sense of relief of what was the impending
11:03nature of their upcoming demise.
11:05Right. And so, yeah, the spectrum of psychedelics is very wide, very broad spectrum.
11:12And I think it's really could have a prolific experience, especially for a nation that
11:17has as much mental health challenges as we have in America.
11:21What does it say about President Trump that this was able to come about so
11:25quickly? Joe Rogan was there and said, hey, I texted Trump about the need for
11:30this. And and almost instantaneously, Trump said, OK, let's find out a way to get
11:36this done. Obviously, there's regular government speed and then there's Trump speed.
11:41This seems to be a pretty good example of Trump accelerating the government's ability to
11:45give veterans the opportunity to try this treatment.
11:49I think for us, obviously, you know, operator syndrome is not gaining traction within the
11:55V .A. They don't want to identify it.
11:57They want to stay fixated on big, large scale movements like, you know, burn pit
12:03exposure or post -traumatic stress disorder itself.
12:06And so they and they really have a very strong control of big farmer because
12:11they kind of regulate the massive amount of sales they have directly through the V
12:16.A. So when Trump comes out and does this and if you looked at who
12:19was standing behind him, it was Marcus Luttrell.
12:22Man, I had a huge show before with Marcus.
12:24You know, I put him through training his brother Morgan's there.
12:27He's a congressman in Texas.
12:28You had Rob O 'Neill there who shot bin Laden, who I went through hell
12:32week with. You've got Marcus Capone and his wife who started the program.
12:36I mean, you and now you have all these other veterans.
12:39So when when this could be from our perspective as veterans who are struggling, the
12:44greatest thing that we've seen, President Trump or any president, for that matter, truly taking
12:51a focus on what it means to take care of the mental and medical health
12:57of of a generation that you ask to go to war for 22 straight years.
13:02It's phenomenal. When's when's the next David Rutherford show going to drop?
13:06I'm sure you're going to be talking about this in detail.
13:08You're going to have anyone else from the special warfare community joining you.
13:11What can people expect this week?
13:14This week, I'm addressing a real difficult topic with veterans and what's going on in
13:21the Iran war. I I flew out to Idaho a few weekends ago and I'm
13:24going to bring on a Green Beret named Clay Martin and an A -10 pilot
13:28named Dale Stark. And we're really going to go through what service meant to us,
13:32whether we would change it, whether we would tell our kids or what, because all
13:36of us are receiving DMs about, should I join?
13:39Should I not join? And so we really explore the magnitude of what it means
13:43to service. And guess what?
13:45This is a part of that service, right?
13:47You go in, you go into special operations or you go into high, high vigilant
13:53state of vigilance for 10 plus 20 years as a A -10 pilot or whatever.
13:57You're going to have to deal with the ramifications of that exposure.
14:01And so one of the things before is, you know, unfortunately, we would say, you
14:05know, your government is going to ask you to go to war extensively over and
14:09over. But then they're going to turn their backs and not take care of you
14:12with this massive epidemic of suicides.
14:15But now, you know, this is going to change the topic.
14:18And so, like I said, I just interviewed a guy named Tommy Asito.
14:21We're going to drop that show a week from today, Monday, and that'll be a
14:27comprehensive one hour show about this very topic of Ibogaine, 5 -EMO -DMT and what
14:34it means for our community.
14:36David Rutherford, thank you, my friend.
14:38Great to have you with us today.
14:40And, of course, as a part of the podcast network where you are crushing it.
14:43I appreciate you, sir. Hoo -yah.
14:46God bless you guys. Keep rocking.
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16:05Clay and Buck have your back.
16:08Welcome back in. Clay, Travis, Buck, Sexton's show.
16:12I appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the
16:17Monday edition of the program.
16:18We got some talkbacks. We'll see you next week.
16:20Acting to one of the talking points from Friday's show, and I think you guys
16:24will enjoy this. We'll have some fun with it.
16:27First of all, Mary in San Antonio, as Buck is having to deal with the
16:32fact that Kamala is not going to slide off the planet as quickly as he
16:37might have hoped from a political perspective.
16:39Here is Mary in San Antonio, also like me, looking forward to the fun.
16:43The only reason I would want Kamala to run is so that we could be
16:46entertained during the debates. I would just love to see how well Marco Rubio would
16:53do up against her, or J .D.
16:55Vance. Either one. I'm a fan of Marco.
16:58My son's named Marco. But that would be very entertaining.
17:02There would be no way that she could compete against him.
17:06Keith in Phoenix, News Talk 550K.
17:09FYI, has this to say.
17:11Buck, listen carefully. Buck, look, buddy.
17:14You need to take a chip from Jesse Kelly and start making bets with Clay
17:20on Red Lobster dinners because you're just losing too much money on these steaks, pal.
17:27Remember, Red Lobster from now on.
17:30Okay, first of all, we have a Red Lobster update for all of you, which
17:34is coming up here in a second.
17:35Second of all, we're two and one.
17:37What are you talking about?
17:39We have had a total, and I haven't even lost the third one yet.
17:42It's, we're, we're, we're, wait, it's so, it's technically we're one for one, and I'm
17:47probably going to lose the Kamala one.
17:49What are you, this is just classic Clay.
17:51Clay sells it so well.
17:52It's like, oh, the steak, the steak, the steak.
17:54We've got a Red Lobster update for everyone when we come back, Buck, but first,
17:59take us to break. Yeah.
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19:01So, we've got a lot to discuss here.
19:05I want to get into this a little bit, Clay, because I'm going to be
19:10in New York in a few days.
19:12And New York, what, you're looking at me like, is that a, that's usually a
19:15breaking news face from Clay.
19:16What have you got breaking news wise?
19:18I will just say. Did some coach named Tex or Rex get fired and his
19:22$80 million contract is now only $40 million or something?
19:26You know, what's going on?
19:27No, it's just, every now and then, not every now and then, all the time,
19:33Am I the only person who feels like the breaking news banner is just so
19:38wildly overused? Yeah. And they're at the point now where breaking news, it is 2
19:45.35 and 22, 23, 24 seconds.
19:48CNN just came back from commercial and they just said breaking news.
19:52And I was like, oh, I'm looking up at the screen.
19:54I'm thinking, oh, maybe we're going to get some real news here.
19:58And then it's the same news that we've had for the last two and a
20:00half hours of the show.
20:01So I was, you caught me in like expectation.
20:04It works because the breaking news banner, you're conditioned to be like, oh, wow, what's
20:09the news going to be?
20:10And then it's just, oh, the news that we've been talking about for two and
20:12a half hours is still the news that we've been talking about for two and
20:14a half hours. So I, I'm just keeping everybody updated.
20:18So no breaking news actually.
20:20Do you feel a little bit, and I probably will regret, not, not immediately, but
20:25at some point in life regret saying this.
20:27I feel like there are no worthy adversaries on the left in the media anymore.
20:31Certainly the Democrat Party, the worship of Moloch.
20:34There's a lot of terrible stuff that leftists are doing.
20:36But I mean, from a pure media, we used to have to sit here and
20:40it was like we were the Alamo and, you know, the Mexican military had us
20:46outnumbered and conservative media. And we were just fighting and fighting and hoping that now,
20:51of course, didn't work out that well for the guys in the Alamo in the
20:53end. But the point is they made their stand.
20:56And now it's, I don't even, there's not even a worthy adversary on the left.
21:01These people, they're all so pathetic.
21:02CNN as a brand is now pathetic.
21:05You mentioned MS, MS, sorry, MSNBC before.
21:10They changed the name. It's MSNOW, which nobody calls them that still.
21:14Everyone's saying MSNBC. Yes. I think they changed it because the brand was just such
21:18a joke and it was no longer any kind of a news entity.
21:23But there's just nobody left.
21:25Okay. I'm going to give you a shout out on something actually here.
21:27I saw, I don't know who it was.
21:29There were some like most influential people in media thing, news media, news media.
21:35And Clay was, Clay was like maybe 40 names or something.
21:39Clay made the list. And I personally think Clay should have been higher.
21:43And I think I should have been on the list, but that's okay.
21:45Whatever. The point is, Clay made the list.
21:46You should have been on the list.
21:47too um but it's okay but but the point is you made the list and
21:50i actually think you should have been higher having made the list but nonetheless you're
21:53on the list but clay this is what was so by the way golf clap
21:56well done thank you and what was the uh what was the basis for the
21:59i mean not basis but the um organization was it some online poll or something
22:04right so two things here before you get to your point i told my wife
22:08about this list and she immediately started grilling me on the legitimacy of the list
22:14you know laura i was like hey we were shout out by the way to
22:19my father -in -law 80th birthday party we were uh in michigan this past weekend
22:24my uh my father -in -law patrick smith bauer celebrating his 80th birthday was an
22:29awesome event friends family was really cool but we're on the airplane i see that
22:34news and i turn to laura and i'm like hey this is pretty cool i'm
22:37on this list and she's like well how reliable is that list well how did
22:41they manage to put together that it wasn't like oh that's great she immediately attacked
22:47the legitimacy of the list i have there are some people on the list that
22:50honestly it's it's like their clown show and it's preposterous but put that aside um
22:55clay was there are some worthy uh you know all of the primetime fox news
22:59hosts were on the list and i think fox with their primetime lineup if they
23:03put you in it you're going to be somebody who has a big audience and
23:05so there were the usual suspects but this is what i thought was so interesting
23:08other than golf clap for clay well done um other than that all of the
23:15top leftists all of them were comedians yeah which i think says so much about
23:22where there was no jake tapper there was no anderson cooper there was no uh
23:28keith olberman i mean he's gone probably in some kind of a facility there was
23:33no don lemon none of the the news people in this assessment on the left
23:39made it the it was all jimmy kimmel colbert uh whoever you know fat like
23:46fallon or though all the people on the left oh bill maher but they were
23:51all comedians and i think it's just because i saw this as so indicative clay
23:56that list 10 years ago 100 percent has anderson cooper has jake tapper has uh
24:05you know i mean think of like who are the you know it would have
24:07had whoever maddow would have been probably number one on the list she was like
24:12midway down the list my point is the left -wing quote news media apparatus has
24:20become such a joke that people who make jokes for a living are now more
24:25trusted than them on the left and that is where we are that's super interesting
24:30um and yes like rachel maddow was the only cnn or msnbc anchor on the
24:37list and the the george stefanopoulos wasn't on the list all these mainstream quote -unquote
24:44not that that's really a thing we should be calling them but none of them
24:47made it um i wish to your point on foes people will sometimes attack me
24:54doesn't even happen that often by the way you and i used to get like
24:57people would come at you all the time now it's not even that common but
25:01i almost want to give them tips like they're not even attacking but this is
25:05the lawyer in me i can tell you the best way to attack an argument
25:09that you or i make because lawyers have to think about counter arguments and have
25:14to be intelligent enough to be able to make the other argument as well they're
25:18not even good enough to make the best arguments against us i feel like you
25:23need almost just to be like hey just tag team yourself and make the argument
25:27against the argument that you just made and i think one reason why we do
25:31effective arguments on this show is throwing a punch is easy right for any of
25:38you that have ever trained or been a boxer or ever thrown a punch which
25:43i would encourage at some point in time is actually a useful thing to do
25:46and then have someone occasionally throw a punch back at you is even more important
25:51because counter punches are often as many of you know far more devastating than a
25:57punch because when you open yourself up to try and throw a punch you are
26:02giving yourself your chin your face if you're not protecting yourself well the opportunity to
26:08be caught with a devastating counter punch and i think one thing that you have
26:11seen in the left is they got so used to being able to throw punches
26:17that their punches got flabby and weak because they never had to think about the
26:22counter punch and really all elon did when he bought twitter was open up people
26:28to counter punches and if you got so used to the idea imagine that you
26:32had such a rigged world that every punch you threw you felt like landed like
26:37a ton of cement and actually when you saw the real result of your punches
26:42you weren't really making contact but you're flailing and you're wide open and you just
26:47get devastatingly counter punched this is so true as well for you see this on
26:53college campuses even and and it then just makes its way all the way up
26:56into the the biggest media platforms college republicans like the ones who are active on
27:02campus and now it's uh people who are doing a lot of tp usa stuff
27:05and but the the right on campuses is full of people who are used to
27:13making an argument know their side know you the other side can stand the heat
27:17or eloquent college republicans are yeah they get these kids sometimes are 19 18 19
27:22years old they show up on like the 8 p .m on fox talking about
27:25some campus issue you're like yeah kids kids ready for like white house uh deputy
27:29press secretary and then on the other side you have these libs like the head
27:33of the college progressives is always like shut them down and we all cry play
27:39the cowbell loud so we don't have to hear the scary things like it's because
27:43they're coddled and this has been true all the way across the media now for
27:47for the 15 years that i've been doing this is that it used to be
27:51the left had so much platform dominance and so many advantages built in that they
27:56could get away with putting just really pathetic people into positions of of like debate
28:01and intellectual prominence people all get smoked now even the people that are supposed to
28:06be smart on left like ezra klein clown clown can't make real arguments always retreats
28:11into the same shell these people are not impressive at all and it's because they
28:14haven't had to be impressive yes and now now they're exposed now we all see
28:20it also i would say buck on your point which i think is such a
28:23good one about who the influencers are in the democrat party it also exposes the
28:29uh illegitimacy of late night comedy hosts because they are partisan right and this is
28:37the only argument that brendan carr at the fcc has been making it is no
28:42one out there would argue that uh fox news hosts aren't entitled to have their
28:48opinion shows in the evening and be able to be influential as they are we
28:52wouldn't argue against msnbc being able to do it and cnn but you understand what
28:58you're signing up for when you come to those programs to watch a perspective of
29:03opinion they have managed to take over late night television and make it effectively a
29:09democrat party platform argument propaganda piece and they're still arguing oh no no we're in
29:17the business of just being entertaining on comedy but this thing is showing you actually
29:23no it's pretty much the only democrat party influence you know clay one reason why
29:28i mean i can just speak about this from a personal perspective i left cnn
29:32in 2016 as a conservative political commentator who was uh who was on a contract
29:37they're being paid they actually wanted to extend me uh kaylee mckinney and i were
29:41like two of their sort of up -and -comers on the right and now obviously
29:44kaylee has her show on fox and was white house press secretary and all that
29:47but it was kaylee me there were there were a handful of us but i
29:50just got tired of the game and the game over there was you have a
29:53host who's a giant lib lunatic and then you have another guest who's a giant
29:58lib lunatic and the whole purpose of having on the conservative was to give you
30:03no time really to respond have the host talk over you to give it back
30:07to the other person i used to call the cnn ambush it was always good
30:11it was always lay out the segment so that we're smart we're smart we're democrats
30:14we're good and it's completely skewed and then it's go to the democrat to be
30:18like isn't it amazing how much better we are than republicans and then it's like
30:21hey republican freak show do you even want to weigh in on this you talk
30:26too much okay let's go back to democrat bam commercial over and over it was
30:31a joke dude all of these people uh uh don lemon jake tapper anderson cooper
30:37clown show nothing to add no intelligence if they can't have it rigged they can't
30:44play the game at all yeah and i read those guys social media feeds because
30:49i am curious to see what arguments they're going to be making and there's no
30:53depth of knowledge with it uh you were just mentioning uh i'll give them credit
30:57they're glorified menswear models dude honestly anderson and tapper it's like look at this windsor
31:03knot i've got shut your face you jerk well i think what has happened is
31:07not only has social media exposed their bias it's also exposed the lack of depth
31:13of their knowledge they're not actually working very hard to be informed on subjects well
31:20like this is like i remember when i was looking at schools and somebody was
31:24trying to sell me on what a great place princeton university was this is going
31:27way back okay but they were like do you know that we have in you
31:30know joyce carol oates the novelist is part of our creative writing program and at
31:35the time that was like oh oh she's such a brilliant brilliant novelist joyce carol
31:40oates oh joyce carol oates is social media she's a moron okay she doesn't know
31:46that a triceratops wasn't actually killed on the set of jurassic park one of the
31:49funniest things i've ever seen in my life and if you just see her recently
31:52is she still like like you know tweeting away on x this woman's a moron
31:57maybe she's good at like writing a creative story or two she knows nothing about
32:00the world for people who don't know over the weekend she said that the assassination
32:05was staged assassination attempt that killed multiple thank you for giving the specifics on this
32:10because it's important she claims this is the celebrated author joyce carol oates thinks that
32:16donald trump wasn't actually shot through the year and that that was that that was
32:20like the moon landing all staged so she's a moron truly like an abject moron
32:25but when i saw that she was smart when i saw that this weekend buck
32:29i went and i was like because she is a talented author right you can
32:33be stephen king is a talented author you can be a good sculptor but your
32:37politics show that you don't understand anything about the world yes so this idea that
32:41you're expecting them to be elite political savants is not true.
32:45Joyce Carol Oates has me blocked on Twitter.
32:47I don't think I've ever interacted with it.
32:50That's amazing. That's amazing. I'm jealous.
32:52I was skeptical that she could be so dumb that she had shared that tweet
32:58about, hey, it's a fake, you know, because there's fake accounts on Twitter.
33:02I'm like, she's a Pulitzer Prize winning author.
33:04That was real. She can't be this.
33:05Oh, she was. And then I was like, well, let me see what else she
33:08said recently. She has me blocked.
33:10I don't even know who.
33:11I mean, I know her because she's a Pulitzer Prize winning author.
33:13I've never interacted with her, but I got a shout at her now so I
33:17can get blocked, too. I'm jealous.
33:18Go ahead. I don't even know.
33:19Yeah. So thanks, Joyce Carol Oates.
33:22Should just be Joyce Oates, by the way.
33:24I don't know. I think the third name like connotes some sort of brilliance there.
33:28And I used to think she was a pretty talented author.
33:30Maybe she still is. But man, really, I think indefensible to say, hey, it's a
33:36state. There are people killed there.
33:38You know, you think they just allowed a few people to be killed and Trump
33:41intentionally allowed his ear to be buzzed?
33:45Can you imagine letting someone just shoot a gun that was only designed to clip
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35:14Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
35:18Let's hit a couple of these.
35:19One, the podcast listener, C, Robert from Clarksville, Tennessee.
35:24Buck, listen. I'm sorry, but it's going to be so sad for Buck.
35:28It'll be like Buck Island at 2 .0 when at the last second Kamala Harris
35:33sees that the Democrats don't have anyone electable and she goes, you know what?
35:37It's me. I'm the savior of the Democrat Party.
35:40And then all of a sudden, Buck loses another shake bet.
35:44All right, buddy. All right, buddy.
35:46We'll do it live here for a second.
35:48Okay. I got to lean on this one.
35:49Let's understand something. Buck Island was my defiant stand that even after the debate disaster,
35:58it was going to be Biden.
36:00And Buck Island stood for about a month after that debate when Biden was fighting
36:08tooth and nail to stay the nominee even after he showed everybody that he was
36:14Captain dementia patient. So that's a very different thing than a little offhand snark about
36:20Kamala Harris's future here. I'm just like, we got to keep it real.
36:24Do we have the Red Lobster for all of you out there?
36:28No, no, no. Is it too long?
36:29We're going to have to do it tomorrow.
36:30We don't have the time.
36:31Guys, Red Lobster has an important announcement.
36:33We want to flag this for our friend Jesse Kelly, too.
36:37Important announcement from Red Lobster.
36:39We will get to it tomorrow.
36:40We have more time, so stick around for that show.
36:42And Clay, you got 10 seconds to tell everybody how beautiful the world is.
36:46The world is outstanding. We'll see what happens with the absolute latest on the Iran
36:52negotiations. All that headed your way tomorrow.
36:56Thanks for hanging with us.
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