Hour 2 - Hold Politicians Accountable
4/16/202637 mincomplete
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0:08Our buddy Ryan Gruduski joins us.
0:11It's a numbers game is his podcast, and it has numbers rocketing up the charts,
0:16my friends. The more you guys want to listen, or rather the more you listen,
0:20the more you love it, because you learn political insights.
0:23You learn things that people don't know out there, because we brought in Ryan to
0:27be our guy who looks at the data, separates the signal from the noise.
0:31It's a numbers game is that podcast on the Clay and Buck Network.
0:34You definitely want to check that out.
0:35Mr. Gruduski, always a pleasure to have you on, sir.
0:38Thanks for making the time.
0:40Thank you for having me on.
0:42Let's dive into this, if you would, for me, Ryan.
0:47What happens now as you see it in the California governor's race with the Swalwell?
0:54First off, would you agree that the demolition of Swalwell was the fastest, most effective
1:01crushing of a political future we've ever seen in the shortest period of time?
1:05Maybe there's somebody else who comes to mind.
1:06Let me know. And then what happens now among those Democrat candidates?
1:11We've got these Republicans like Steve Hilton, who we had on.
1:14Because I think a lot of eyes, because of the Swalwell, in a sense, has
1:18gotten even more attention on the governor's race, because that's obviously a big part of
1:22why he was on the radar in the first place.
1:26So walk us through this.
1:27What happens in your mind?
1:29Well, yes. So Swalwell's, I mean, Swalwell's demise was extremely fast.
1:33I mean, even Anthony Weiner was able to hold on for longer periods of time.
1:36And I thought, honestly, Swalwell was going to stay in the governor's race no matter
1:39what. I guess losing all of his supporters was too much for his ego to
1:43handle. And it was the biggest whisper in Washington, D .C.
1:46Everyone had heard stories about Swalwell for a very long time.
1:49So it's not surprising. Swalwell's support has been splintered now among a lot of different
1:54candidates. Bexera is now gaining a lot of support.
1:58There's another candidate who's a San Jose mayor who's gained a little bit of his
2:01support. And obviously, Tom Steyer, who's spending a gajillion dollars to become the governor, has
2:06got a lot of support.
2:07Here's the problem for Republicans' face right now.
2:09Republicans in the latest Emerson poll are the first and second leading candidate.
2:14If whoever comes to the top two goes on to the general election, that means
2:17they will lock out the Democrats out of the governorship and one of the Republicans
2:21will become governor. The problem is, is of the undecided voters who are left, the
2:26smallest pool of undecided voters are Republicans.
2:29Republicans, 90 % know who they're voting for.
2:32There's only 10 % left versus about a quarter of Democrats and a quarter of
2:36independents. For a Republican to kind of milk out whatever juice they can, they really
2:43need to slice into about a third of the independent vote that's left.
2:46That's going to be kind of difficult.
2:48In the last two governor's races, Republicans got around 40, 41 % of the vote
2:52in California. There's maybe eight points left to be generous left for the two leading
2:58Republican candidates. The rest are going to go to Democrats.
3:00If it's divided equally, which probably is not going to happen, then they are going
3:05to make the lock of the Democrat.
3:07Aside from that, I see probably either a Steyer or, you know, maybe a Bexera
3:12coming in second place. We'll see, though.
3:16So you're pretty, look, we would love it if our friend Steve Hilton could pull
3:20this off, but it sounds like it's a really overwhelming favorite that it will be
3:25a Democrat, even with it.
3:27And maybe it makes it easy.
3:28Do you buy, by the way, that the Swalwell push -out, demolition, whatever you want
3:34to call it, was because at some level he made things such a mess for
3:38the Democrats by the numbers, or was the timing more coincidental?
3:42The women just were sick of seeing his face on TV, and the media realized
3:46he's not a protected one anymore.
3:49I think that no one took him seriously until he was leading in all the
3:52polls and all the unions were rallying around him, and I think a number of
3:55women were like, wow, he really can't be governor.
3:57I think that, I don't think that anyone took him as seriously as that he
4:01was going to be the next governor until the polls shot up in his favor.
4:04Now, his name, by the way, will appear on the ballot.
4:07They can't take that off.
4:08So there'll be some vote that will go with Swalwell just because his name will
4:11be in the print. I don't think it was like this inside coordinated effect, because
4:16if that was true, they would have done it before his name was printed on
4:18the ballot to stop anyone from kind of voting for him by accident even.
4:23So I don't believe it was an inside job.
4:24I think the women were coming forward.
4:26I know people who have come forward on different occasions for different things, and it's
4:30less politically planned than likely.
4:33Hilton is the most likely to make it to a general election.
4:36The question is, does Bianco maybe get three or four more points in the primary
4:41to join him in that general election?
4:44I really think that that's really the big question and where that number goes.
4:48So, I mean, it has to really be perfect for the Republicans to lock up
4:51the Democrats. Now, talk to me about how Trump is doing, and obviously that will
4:57affect Republicans' fortunes tremendously in the midterms, or I would think they would, with this
5:04Iran situation continuing to now.
5:06It's ongoing. We're not blowing up stuff.
5:09We say we might blow up more stuff.
5:10We've got this blockade in place in the strait.
5:13It does look like Iran is somewhat cornered right now on this.
5:17I know CNN and others want to tell everybody that Trump is bleeding support, and
5:21it's a disaster and everything else, but is that the cap?
5:24Are we really seeing that?
5:26Or if things stay pretty status quo on this and oil prices don't go to
5:32one hundred and twenty dollars a barrel or something, is this not going to matter
5:37all that much in the fall?
5:38How do you see that?
5:40Well, Trump's numbers have fallen.
5:42I mean, but the good thing for Republicans is, is they've kind of plateaued around
5:46in the mid to high 30s.
5:48Not where you want to be, not for the midterm elections, for sure.
5:51But we haven't seen another drop.
5:54Like it wasn't like the Bush years where all of a sudden he went to
5:56the high 20s. They've kind of stayed between the mid and the high 30s.
5:59A lot of the coalition around Trump that's fallen apart are people who make less
6:04than fifty thousand dollars a year, young people and Latinos.
6:06And there's a lot of crossover among those three groups really have led support.
6:10The one good thing is, is that among older people, there hasn't been as much
6:15bleeding. What I think right now Republicans should really be doing is talking about who's
6:20getting cash rebates and their taxes because of the new tax law, especially workers who
6:24get those tax on tips.
6:25It's very popular. And some people have told me that it's like a life changing
6:28amount of money that they've gotten back.
6:30So I would be campaigning right now on the economy and talking about the economy.
6:34The economy really hinges on everything.
6:36People don't like the foreign policy, not because they think that Iran's going to win
6:39or not because they're rooting for Iran, because they feel like it's a distraction from
6:43the economy. It really all goes back to how is the economy doing?
6:47And they look at the jobs, the job numbers not being terrific overall.
6:51Last month was pretty good, though.
6:53They look at the wage growth.
6:54They look at the inflation and they say, where is what you promise?
6:57It's all really going down to the economy.
6:59And if you can kind of make this miracle of the economy come back from
7:02the first term. And now you have an announcement for this audience that I wanted
7:06to give you the opportunity to tell everybody about, because it certainly ties into a
7:09critical issue of the moment.
7:12What have you got cooking?
7:13What do you got cooking, Ryan?
7:16So I launched a new pack, a new super pack called Homeland Pack.
7:19You can go to HomelandPack .com.
7:20And basically what I'm doing now, after decades of Republicans promising strong borders and immigration
7:26enforcement, they have broken their promises time and time again.
7:29And we've seen now with Maria Salazar the latest bill to bring amnesty to illegal
7:33aliens. And so this pack was created to, one, defend Republicans who are really good
7:38on immigration, and two, to defeat Republicans in primaries who are really bad.
7:42There are millions of dollars swirling around from special interest groups, from big corporations to
7:46promote amnesty, to promote cheap labor.
7:48I'm going to do the opposite.
7:50I'm going to do it with, you know, hopefully some big donors will come my
7:52way, but also from grassroots donors the way I did with the 1776 Project Pack.
7:56I want to do with Homeland Pack and make sure we defeat these, you know,
8:00Republicans who are supporting amnesty.
8:02We can't afford an amnesty, not even Salazar's quote unquote skinny amnesty.
8:06It will all come down to citizenship on a massive level, and we will be
8:10in a situation like we are in California.
8:11We can't afford any more amnesty.
8:13So HomelandPack .com will go out specifically only about immigration, defending Republicans who are good
8:20in immigration and beating them who are bad in immigration.
8:22Speaking about immigration, and you mentioned Tom Steyer before, who I like to tell everybody,
8:29Tom Steyer is an inspiration because it's a reminder to all Americans that you too
8:34can become a billionaire even if you have no wisdom, no personality, and no redeeming
8:42quality in your politics whatsoever.
8:43So there's that. He's really, he's a climate change wackadoo, which is easy to be,
8:49easy when you're flying around on private jets and everything else.
8:52But his immigration policy, as it would be for the governor of California, if he
8:58were to become that, I read this and I thought to myself, is this too
9:02crazy even for California? Or how does the Democrat Party message this?
9:07I mean, it was, do you know what I'm talking about?
9:09He's put out this new immigration blueprint for California, which obviously it's a federal issue.
9:14And I look at this, I'm saying, this guy Tom Steyer is nuts.
9:17Like, no lessons have been learned by Democrats at all on immigration.
9:21It feels like they just want to double down on all the failures of the
9:24past. And the biggest irony is Tom Steyer's portfolio, financial portfolio, is a lot on
9:30immigration because he works with the private prisons who apprehend and deport illegal immigrants.
9:36So everything about him is utterly fraudulent.
9:39Yeah, he makes a lot of money because of deporting illegal aliens.
9:42Can I pause you for just to give you some of the things?
9:45So his, for his gubernatorial campaign, we have abolish ICE, put ICE in jail, end
9:53all cooperation with federal law enforcement.
9:55A legal defense fund, which I think is taxpayer funded, sent sent out to make
10:01sure that deportations are effectively impossible.
10:03So, like, California is going to have its own defense fund and legalizing, like, reinstating
10:11DACA and DAPA. Like, the guy's the governor, not the president.
10:14But he's as far left on immigration as I think anybody in the Democrat Party
10:19is right now. So, yeah, well, he's trying to put out a flank.
10:22He can't do, like, any of those things.
10:24Like, I mean, I guess he can create a public fund in California.
10:27Aside from that, he can't do a single solitary one of these promises.
10:31And I think his investment portfolio, according to Fox News, was $250 million he's made
10:35off of the detention of illegal immigrants.
10:38So he has a financial incentive not even to do any of these things.
10:42He's become wealthier than almost every, you know, the 99 .9 % of Americans because
10:47they're deporting illegal aliens. Yeah, this is, listen, he's trying to corner to make sure
10:52no. No one can get further left from him on an issue that galvanizes not
10:56just a group of Hispanics in the ethnic lobby, but also angry white liberals who
11:01have made hating ICE equal to hating the president.
11:04And that's really what he's trying to signal to is I will be your ultimate
11:07advocate. I'm going to do the most radical things against the federal government.
11:11I mean, he might as well be saying, you know, he's going to do what
11:14they did in Ruby Ridge with attacking federal agents.
11:16It doesn't work out in your favor.
11:17You have no ability to do any of those things, but it's not about like
11:20having a coherent message of what you can do.
11:22It's all about trust trying to fight Trump.
11:24What's next for it's a numbers game.
11:27You've already got something in the docket or you're still figuring out what numbers you
11:31want to crunch a deep dive on the Virginia election.
11:34Why is Abigail Spanberger's numbers crashing?
11:37Who is leaving her coalition?
11:39Remember, Virginia has local state legislative elections in 2027, and the Democrats have a one
11:45seat majority in the state Senate.
11:46So, you know, can there be a referendum on Abigail Spanberger?
11:49How is it looking for the referendum?
11:51Why is it so close?
11:52Where can this happen? And it's going to be a great episode.
11:55So I'm looking forward to that coming out.
11:57Just real quick on that.
11:58Is it something, has it become clear to enough voters in Virginia, you think, that
12:05Spanberger ran as like, hey, I'm just like a mom and a moderate.
12:08And then as soon as she was in power, it was like, I am a
12:11Marxist lunatic who wants to take your guns and raise your taxes.
12:14Well, the interesting thing is Spanberger is losing support from both low income voters and
12:19high income voters. And we're seeing with the referendum on redistricting a 41 point flip
12:25away from Spanberger from she won independence by 17 points.
12:29Right now, the referendum is losing on independence by 24 points.
12:33A tremendous 41 point shift among that group in just six months.
12:38I think I think her presidential ambitions are really coming to a close very, very
12:43quickly in this administration. Ryan Gerdusky, everybody.
12:47It's a numbers game is the podcast.
12:48And what's the pack again, Ryan?
12:50Allmanpack dot com. Check it out.
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14:06Preset Clay and Buck on the iHeart app.
14:09Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
14:11Great talk with a friend Ryan Gurdusky there about a lot of the data that
14:16is central to our political conversations right now or showing us where things are going.
14:22I'm still I'm still cautiously optimistic that Republicans have a fighting chance to keep the
14:27House and the Senate this fall.
14:30And I think that Trump is managing the situation in Iran now with he I
14:36would not want to be on the other side of negotiating table from him.
14:38I'll put it to you that way.
14:39I would certainly not want to be in the position of the malacracy in in
14:44Tehran. And, you know, last night I was here in Boca Raton, Florida, which is
14:51a really lovely place. I don't get to spend that much time there.
14:54It's just far enough from Miami Beach that it's a little bit of a hike
14:58for me, especially if I have to go during rush hour.
14:59But we had a book event at a restaurant called Alley Cat, which I got
15:04to tell you has delicious food, really cool Asian fusion food.
15:07So we had a book event there for Manufacturing Delusion.
15:10And I was really gratified at how many people came and they wanted to get
15:14the book signed, which was really fun.
15:16And I just love seeing people who because it's mostly listeners to this show, although
15:21some that are just readers of the book.
15:23But if you anyway, Manufacturing Delusion is doing really well and people like it so
15:30much. I had many people come up to me last night that said that they
15:33have bought a second copy in this.
15:36In this case, some of them wanted the second copy signed or they wanted a
15:39copy signed so they could give away the copy that they already bought.
15:42But they're giving them away to other people because I think it's important for them
15:46to read. And I would have to agree with that.
15:49I think that it's really necessary to understand mind manipulation and mass media manipulation these
15:56days. Understand the history of it as well as the practice of it today.
15:59So if you haven't yet trusted me on this one, please go get a copy
16:03of Manufacturing Delusion. Amazon's the easiest way to do it.
16:07Your local bookstore may have it, but they probably have some trying to live trash
16:11in the front because bookstores, unfortunately, have been bookstores and fancy coffee shops have been
16:17just completely overtaken by the anarchist.
16:20left uh or the communist left so that's a thing that's going on and uh
16:25yeah please please go get a copy and if you already have one great time
16:28to get a copy to give to someone in your life um i'm a big
16:32believer and we need books we really do i mean as a society as a
16:37civilization we need to be reading books there's so much short form content everything is
16:43click scroll click scroll click scroll we are i part of the book is conditioning
16:48of course pavlovian conditioning and getting into the origins of how that was then applied
16:53to mind manipulation by totalitarian regimes but we are doing this to ourselves one of
17:00the reasons i think also radio has the power that it does is you know
17:03look you can join us for five minutes we appreciate that but you can join
17:06us for three hours and we really have time to talk here clay and i
17:10really have the ability to get into things with you to think them through together
17:16to communicate them it's not all just this you know click click click scroll scroll
17:21scroll click click click and and this is affecting people's attention spans i'm telling you
17:26and it is such a good practice i try to i read every night before
17:30i go to sleep i think i told you that every night that's how i
17:32fall asleep i try usually about half an hour 45 minutes but i don't read
17:36about stuff here i just read a book usually it's almost always a history book
17:40but it's separate from my work here uh which i do of course read in
17:45the morning just like rush used to morning prep uh but there's just nothing that
17:50beats an old school book and sitting down with a book you really want to
17:55read and hopefully manufacturing delusion will be one of those books for you when you
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18:57company welcome back in here to clay and buck uh you know we're just talking
19:01a few minutes ago about my friend ryan gurdusky of our podcast network and his
19:06pack that is going to try to primary people always ask you know how can
19:10you how can you do anything about these republicans betraying this and all this well
19:14you can primary them you can primary republicans who don't keep their word that's a
19:22very good place to start in fact one of the worst things that i think
19:25the gop party faithful do in politically speaking is just get lazy and just vote
19:31for this incumbent year well not year after year but uh election after election and
19:37then they complain and then they see them on fox news and they go oh
19:41i'll still vote for that guy because he's on fox news sometimes i go well
19:44but just because he says the right things on fox maybe gets decent ratings when
19:49he does or she does depends doesn't mean that this is the person you want
19:53representing your state or your district in the united states congress right i mean we
20:00can understand the difference in that i would i would think but sure enough gop
20:04primary voters can be uh quite a bit on the on the lazy side about
20:08this stuff but i bring you this on the immigration front uh this is bill
20:14malugian from fox news reporting six house republicans have voted with democrats to advance uh
20:24and this was yesterday to advance representative ayanna presley her uh temporary protected status for
20:32haitians extension for three more years the motion passed 219 to 209 it will go
20:41down to a final house vote guys check on this when the final house vote
20:45is because this was from yesterday this is today i assume at some point the
20:48six house gop members to vote with democrats were representative don bacon of nebraska this
20:58is every radio host nightmare when they only have the state with the initials and
21:02it's like a little bit of a it's like a high school or not even
21:05high school a grade school social studies test can i get all the florida i
21:09can get right fl representative maria salazar florida carlos uh jimenez florida brian fitzpatrick pennsylvania
21:20mike lawler new york nicole maliotakis new york i'm a little surprised to see representative
21:28meliotakis on there huh interesting okay anyway um there's also a kevin kiley who's a
21:37california independent but caucuses with republicans he voted for democrats let's talk about this issue
21:44for a and then we can talk about more of of keeping order on our
21:50side on the immigration issue and not letting this stuff slip away and not letting
21:55betrayals happen that will go politically unpunished.
21:58The idea that Haitians should get their protected status continued is on its face absurd.
22:09You'll notice that the statute or the statutory authority here is temporary protected status.
22:18Temporary protected status, as in it does not last forever.
22:23And yet, temporary protected status Haitians have been here in this country since, you want
22:31to guess, say it out loud if you want, January 2010.
22:38January, 350 ,000 people, 350 ,000 Haitians have had their temporary protected status extended over
22:5016 years. I think we're going to have to change this.
22:55We can't call it TPS or temporary protected status because it is clearly not being
23:01treated as temporary. DHS announced a termination of this for August 3rd of 2025, but
23:10a court stayed that termination.
23:11So the courts won't let us end it.
23:14Obviously, some activist judge, the Democrats and even some Republicans want to extend it.
23:20Why? This is not supposed to be a backdoor immigration policy, but that's exactly what
23:28it has been treated as.
23:30As in, we call it temporary, but then they stay forever.
23:34Same kind of game they play with asylum.
23:36Oh, they're just applying for asylum.
23:38If they don't get it, they'll leave.
23:40They know that's not true.
23:42When they don't get asylum, they just disappear into the American interior.
23:45They don't send, they don't show up at their hearings.
23:48It is a backdoor, illegal way to get permanent status in America.
23:54People say, oh, it's legal when they apply for asylum.
23:56Not when they don't show up for hearings, which a huge percentage of them don't.
24:00But how can we have a country when so much, when half of the voters
24:05roughly, maybe it's less than half, call it 45 percent, but certainly one of the
24:11two major political parties and a slew of NGOs, including taxpayer -enabled, if not funded
24:19NGOs, a slew of left -wing activist groups.
24:25And they all want, and of course the judges, a lot of left -wing judges,
24:30they want to make it impossible to enforce immigration law.
24:34You can go back to Plato's The Republic on this.
24:37Is a law that is not enforced really a law?
24:40At what point does it cease to be a law?
24:44I think we've seen this now tested many times over on immigration, and this extension
24:51of temporary protected status. No.
24:53The American people were very nice, very nice to allow 350 ,000 Haitians to stay
25:01here for 16 years. Haiti has been an independent country.
25:07I believe it's the second oldest democracy in the Western Hemisphere.
25:10Haiti has been an independent country for a long time.
25:15And they've got to fix their own problems.
25:19So the extension of this, clearly some of these Republicans, I would think, must have
25:23some Haitian diaspora community or TPS diaspora community in their district, and so this is
25:29pure politics for them. I would guess that's certainly the case for some of the
25:33New York representative that I mentioned.
25:35But now this brings me to something else.
25:38We've had on the show, and I'm going to give him the benefit of the
25:42doubt on this one, but we have had on the show and enjoyed talking to
25:46him, former senator, now DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, who has seemed like a good
25:53guy. I do not agree with some of his commentary about Rand Paul's attack, just
25:59to be clear. I think some of that was just over the line nasty.
26:03Now, he has the First Amendment, he's allowed to say it, but I think it
26:06was kind of jerk stuff to say.
26:08But put that aside for a second.
26:10Mark Wayne, I think, aligns with this show on a vast majority of issues, and
26:18that is what is most important to me for a DHS secretary, that and competency.
26:23I think Kristi Noem had alignment because she just does whatever.
26:28She was trying to do whatever Trump told her to do, which is fine.
26:31He did not have competency and, of course, had a lot of vulnerabilities, shall we
26:37say, politically and otherwise, that came to the forefront.
26:41So I'm just going to say the DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, went on Fox
26:45News, and he said this, and I want to push a little bit on this.
26:51Play 11. I take advantage of the United States' generosity, but the problem is that
26:56we want immigration. We want legal immigration, people that want to make the country stronger.
27:00We're a nation of immigrants.
27:01We understand that. The right kind of immigrants.
27:02The right kind of immigrants.
27:05I don't like the we're a nation of immigrants thing.
27:08It's really not true. We're a nation of Americans, actually.
27:11I mean, there are immigrants here who have joined the American family over time, but
27:14this idea... It's really, really here.
27:15I mean, I think it is.
27:15Yaya Elizabeth R. that because here's what this if we're a nation of immigrants do
27:20we become something else if we don't keep bringing in immigrants i think we've had
27:24too much immigration in recent decades i think the numbers bear that out quite clearly
27:29and i think that it puts major strain on the forces the societal uh political
27:36economic and historic forces that tie us together in what the ancient greeks would have
27:42called the polity right a political an ideological union some sense of a cohesive thing
27:48that is america and that binds together the american people and we know that we've
27:54been in europe they've been forced to really think about this if you have some
27:58uh country like sweden with 10 million 10 million swedes well if you put 5
28:04million iraqis which they didn't have that many but if you put 5 million iraqis
28:07in a country with 10 million swedes it's a different country the place changes right
28:12so that that people have had to see play out in real time they can
28:15understand that we've had far too much illegal immigration we've probably had far too much
28:20legal immigration oh no i believe we have people can disagree on that but on
28:24the illegal side and i think they'd be wrong for disagreeing but that's okay on
28:28the illegal side there's no question that we have been inundated we have been swamped
28:33with illegal crossings uh and and overstays uh and other evasions of our immigration laws
28:40in this country so we want legal immigration yes as a general matter we want
28:44legal immigration the secretary of dhs is is correct in that should we have a
28:50conversation about having less legal immigration at this point in america yes we really should
28:56get to a this is just people who are contributing and making america better more
29:03prosperous uh safer smarter all of those things and we better be really sure that
29:09that's what we're getting and that means a slower and more vetted process it means
29:15a lot less chain migration i was just hearing from somebody the other day oh
29:20you know my in my country we uh we my my parents or one of
29:25my parents won a like a green card lottery thing and now the whole family
29:29of like eight people is being sponsored to come here so just understand when they
29:33say oh there's a green card lottery with i don't know what the number is
29:37you know and the tens of thousands of people well but but there's this whole
29:41effort then to bring the whole family too and that's often the case with people
29:46whether it's they're here for uh a whole range of of different temporary lawful reasons
29:53uh h1b visas is another example of this there why will h1b visa holders take
30:02less pay than people doing the same work because they will and we know that
30:06why are they more malleable to the wishes of management hence why they are preferable
30:15for some unscrupulous american businesses in hiring well it is because their status is tied
30:22to that visa which means it's harder for them to move around people will say
30:26oh no they can't no it is harder but also they can get to the
30:31front of the green card line and then if they get that then they can
30:35start to try to sponsor more of their family to come in which is a
30:38huge benefit so yeah getting paid 15 or 20 percent under market to do clerical
30:44work for a few years that feels a whole lot more attractive to somebody from
30:49a third world country if they think they can stay forever and then bring their
30:53whole family in here this is why the immigration issue is i think the most
30:58important issue in the country right now it should be the most important issue to
31:02voters and the trump administration has done some very good things on this but the
31:07job is unfinished to be sure not even close to finished so uh the dhs
31:14secretary we're a nation of immigrants uh that is a that is really a non
31:21-truth it's not untrue but it is a non -truth or it is an incomplete
31:24truth to say about this country and and it plays right into the rhetoric of
31:29democrats they're the ones that have been saying this for so long we're a nation
31:33of immigrants no really we're a nation of founders of pioneers um of builders of
31:39people who came here without the promise of endless welfare benefits without a dei infrastructure
31:48ready to claim victimhood for them at the hands of america even though they came
31:52to america because they have a a skin color that falls into the protected classes
31:58of dei here it's a very different thing to show up in america today than
32:05it was to show up in 1920 or 1820 or 1720 for that matter it's
32:10a very different thing that people face uh and the treating it as similar treating
32:16a voyage on a wooden ship that ends up uh with people landing at plymouth
32:21rock where they face death the entire voyage from disease from shipwreck from any number
32:26of things as similar to i scraped together 200 bucks to get on a cheap
32:31international flight now i'm in america there's an insult to our intelligence intelligence that occurs
32:37with that so we should not be going around saying we're a nation of We're
32:43a nation that allows some immigrants and has had waves of immigration, but historically has
32:49also had stops in the immigration waves to allow Americans to be America, or rather
32:58America to be of Americans.
33:00That is a thing that happens in our history as well.
33:03So I just, I want clarity on that one.
33:05I think Mark Wayne is aligned.
33:08I think he's going to do a good job, but we shouldn't be going around
33:13on TV as Republicans in this moment, I think, saying we're a nation of immigrants.
33:17Might as well say, oh, illegals do the jobs Americans won't do, another thing that
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35:21Welcome back in. We've got a lot of callers, a lot of talkbacks.
35:23Let's get to it. Pamela in El Cajon, California.
35:28I hope I said that right.
35:29Welcome, Pamela. Oh, thank you.
35:32Yes, you said it right.
35:33And thank you for taking my call.
35:36And I have a message.
35:39You know, I'm 98 years old, and I used to read like crazy, and now
35:44I'm blind. I can't read.
35:48I have a son that has Trump derangement syndrome, and I wanted to listen to
35:56your book. But I can only play CDs, and your CD book is digital, and
36:10that's new fashion. I got the old fashion.
36:14So, Pamela, let me think about it.
36:16Give the team your information.
36:17Let me see. Maybe our friends at Legacy Box could help out here with a
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36:25Because I don't have a CD -ROM or CDs, but Legacy Box certainly does, and
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36:32So, team, take Pamela's info, and let me see if maybe we can send her
36:35a special CD edition of Manufacturing Delusion.
36:38I'll see if I – Pamela, I can't promise, but I'm going to try, okay?
36:41I'll try to get that to you because you're a great listener and a lovely
36:44lady, and we appreciate you calling in.
36:45And God bless. 98 years old, going strong.
36:49Fantastic. We'll come back in the third hour here, team.
36:51Stay with us. We'll come back in the third hour here.