Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 14 2026
4/14/202661 mincomplete
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0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome in. Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
0:09I am filled with optimism as we begin the show.
0:13We're going to have some fun.
0:15We've got a great show coming your way.
0:18But let's start with some news off the top.
0:20Eric Swalwell looked like he was going to be potentially elected the next governor of
0:26California. Then revelations began about him.
0:30And his inappropriate behavior. Allegations of criminal behavior.
0:35And now not only has he dropped out of the governor's race.
0:39But he is dropping his congressional seat as well.
0:42Also another Republican is dropping his congressional seat as well.
0:47Down on the border in Texas over similar allegations of impropriety relating to women.
0:55We will discuss that I'm sure as the program proceeds.
0:59The Iran blockade seems to have been quite effective.
1:05The crude oil price continues to decline.
1:10And stock market. As you all know I love watching the stock markets.
1:15The S &P 500 is approaching an all -time high.
1:20And the Dow is also approaching an all -time high.
1:24Both of these markets moving near record highs.
1:28So if you just didn't panic as we always say to you.
1:32Don't panic. And you just held on to your stocks during all of the Iran
1:37situation. During all of the big tariff implosions.
1:42If you just held on to your stocks and said I trust that Trump is
1:46going to get the economy roaring.
1:48You are in a good spot.
1:50Congratulations. Your stocks. Your 401k.
1:54Your retirement is near an all -time record high.
1:58If you are holding on to those stocks.
2:04Also we have Buck Sexton with an all -time take on pants.
2:10Which we can have some fun with.
2:12Because I've got to take it.
2:13I actually think there's tons of people out there who will have interesting takes on
2:16this. Let me just put it out there as an idea.
2:18And we'll come back to it a bit later.
2:20What still exists. And should not exist.
2:25Because it has been technologically replaced.
2:29I .e. There is something better than it.
2:32Buck says drawstring pants infinitely better than zipper and button pants.
2:38Because really I read it this morning.
2:41And actually Jesse Kelly our friend was responding.
2:44But it also got me fired up.
2:46I've been making this argument for a long time.
2:49Chopsticks shouldn't exist. Every time I go to an Asian restaurant.
2:52They bring me out chopsticks.
2:54And I just say can I have a fork.
2:56The fork is a far better implement than chopsticks.
2:59This is not some cultural attack on Asia.
3:02But the fork is better than the chopsticks.
3:05And so what are good.
3:06Do you sign off. I understand people show off.
3:09And they're like oh I can do my chopsticks.
3:10But the fork is better.
3:12It like is better. It's better to use.
3:14It's reusable. It's just a far better way to eat than the chopsticks.
3:20How did we go from my very important drawstring pants announcement to chopsticks though?
3:26This is just things that are better.
3:27Well I was thinking when I saw your drawstring pants argument that they're superior.
3:32I wanted I was thinking I bet this audience has things that they believe are
3:36superior. For instance I'll give you another one buck here as we have some fun
3:40starting off the show. Very optimistic mood.
3:42I don't think we failed when it comes to the dash on heating and air
3:50in cars. Right. Blue to make it cooler.
3:53Red to make it warmer.
3:55Was perfection. I get in cars now and many times it's incredibly difficult to figure
4:01out how do I turn on the heater or the air.
4:04We had it solved and we've continued to technologically change it.
4:08But it's not as good as it was when you just twisted to the blue
4:13or to the red. And everybody knew how to work that.
4:16We've talked about this before and I think it's a Nate Bargatze bit.
4:20But hotel room lights. Yeah.
4:23How about a switch? How about a switch by the door?
4:26Light on. Gimmer. Light off.
4:29Maybe. Maybe. If we want to be spicy.
4:32We put a light by the bedside for reading and bedtime.
4:37That is it. I stayed in a hotel recently.
4:40And I basically count them up in my head.
4:42I talked about this on the show.
4:43There were eight different light switches in this place.
4:46And like some of them are like partial and some of them.
4:49I'm like, who? I don't want to have to read a manual to turn the
4:52lights off at night. Yeah.
4:54I agree. And so anyway, out there you can give us talkbacks.
4:58What has been better and could be fixed going forward?
5:02But, Buck, as we start, it appears that the situation in Iran is there are
5:09reports that there could be talks again on Thursday.
5:12I feel bad for Jared Kushner, Steve Wyckoff, and J .D.
5:17Vance if they have to get back on a plane and fly all the way
5:21back to Pakistan for more talks after they were...
5:24there for 21 hours of talks and then turned around and came back there are
5:29reports out there that the united states is saying we want 20 years of you
5:35guys ceasing to pursue nuclear weapons and that iran has offered five years now the
5:42challenge with this buck as you can well imagine and i'm sure all of you
5:45out there are going to recognize as well is iran has been lying for decades
5:51about everything so whatever they agree to is unlikely in my opinion to be upheld
5:59and so whether they say they're going to do it for five years or 10
6:03years or 15 or 20 years i am quite confident they are lying which is
6:08why my uh solution here is we have to in some way grab what trump
6:13called the nuclear dust the uranium deposits that they have uh in order to push
6:19them back further i imagine buck even based on your time when you were with
6:24the cia 20 some odd years ago iran has been lying to us for the
6:28entirety of the time that they have had uh the ayatollah is in charge and
6:33so nothing that they say to us now do i remotely believe is honest so
6:38them saying anything is not good enough uh we either have to get the uranium
6:44if that's our goal and on the straight of hormuz we have to just see
6:47everybody coming through uh and uh the oil and gas tankers being able to traverse
6:54we have to actually verify in my opinion that they're saying anything honest is that
7:00a fair assessment in your mind yeah look this reminds me of the whole iraq
7:05situation and so far as uh the the policy or or the strategy of saddam
7:12hussein was essentially i don't know maybe i got nukes maybe i don't maybe i
7:17got chemical weapons maybe i don't because he found value in that strategic ambiguity and
7:23then when it came time for us to make decisions about what he had and
7:27didn't have it was really obviously we got it wrong uh but it was really
7:33hard to sift through what was a bluff and what was reality uh because he
7:37thought that was particularly after after the iran iraq war which is probably the most
7:42devastating war of the 20th century that nobody ever talks about right yes i mean
7:47obviously they're much bigger more devastating wars but i mean for a war that is
7:50completely wiped from the uh from the memory banks of certainly people in the west
7:57it went on for eight years uh nine years actually and it was hundreds and
8:03hundreds of thousands of casualties and this changed the dynamic in the middle east dramatically
8:09and the security calculations specifically for iraq and iran as well as other regional players
8:15so yes the notion of of an here's the problem with an iranian deal there's
8:20no deal that you can have that you can trust that does not in some
8:26way have us with our boot heel on the on the side of their face
8:31really i mean we we have to be in a position to say all right
8:34we don't we don't believe you so now we're going to go check the stuff
8:37this is the intrusive inspections component of this which we went through with iraq too
8:41by the way and sovereign nations good guys bad guys doesn't really matter generally don't
8:47really want people to be able to just show up and look at all of
8:51their stuff right if there's something uh that they think is degrading about this and
8:55certainly the iranians would find it degrading degrading to have america and so really they
9:00view it as israel's proxy able to just show up and look at all their
9:03nuke stuff whenever we want so clay this is where we come down to there's
9:08not really a deal to be had here folks there's not really a deal because
9:12even if we do get to and remember you can pull that clip later if
9:17we do get to a deal even if we have some deal with the current
9:20regime that they will break it yes and this is this is the problem with
9:24what the whole obama approach to all of this too this is why i want
9:28the tangible to the extent that we can seize it the tangible uranium deposits in
9:33our hands right in in the control of the united states and some people out
9:37there uh aren't happy about that take but to me i don't see any form
9:42of resolution that you can rely on other than that as a way to conclude
9:48this if the goal is to try to ensure that iran doesn't continue to pursue
9:54nuclear weapons now again the area that we struck in june we have optics we
9:59have eyes on we have recognition if iran tries to go reclaim those materials so
10:05i suppose the argument can be we know what we've got there and it's secure
10:09but if we want to have a full -throated victory one that everyone recognizes even
10:16the new york times editorial page and even msnbc and cnn commentators if trump brings
10:23the uranium out of iran and says we have seized it they cannot use this
10:28anymore i think it will be very hard to argue that this was anything other
10:33than a supreme success right if we leave it then the people who don't like
10:38trump are going to argue oh we didn't accomplish anything i do think and i've
10:43been saying this for some time you know the stock market is doing well when
10:47it's not shown on msnbc or cnn we're near record highs uh The markets are
10:53judging the Trump economic situation as a very positive one, and I do think that
10:59is significant overall as to the likelihood of where we are headed.
11:05What do you think? Do you care if we actually have the uranium in possession,
11:09or in your mind if we say, hey, we've got eyes on it, we're going
11:14to watch it, and we just pull back and this thing ends and the traffic
11:19returns to some form of normalcy in the Strait of Hormuz?
11:21Is that satisfactory in your mind, or do you also want to see the tangible
11:28asset of Iranian nuclear pursuit in the control of the United States?
11:34This thing is not over until we have Iranians winning an election with people who
11:43are willing to sit down with the leadership of the United States and Israel with
11:49smiles on their faces and talk about how to make Iran a regional ally and
11:54a peaceful and prosperous place without all this lunacy.
11:57That's the real truth. This thing doesn't really end until that day, and I don't
12:01know where that day is, but it may not be in the life of anybody
12:04living today, to be fair.
12:06In the meantime, you have a situation where we're just...
12:12Trump has done a lot more than anybody before him, but to truly end this
12:17threat... When Trump says Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, and that's his goal,
12:22think about what that really means.
12:24It does not mean we sign a piece of paper with Iran, they still have
12:29some enriched uranium, or even the technical know -how to enrich uranium in the future,
12:34and the people... What happens in two years, everybody?
12:38What happens... I know we can't even think this stuff right now.
12:40What happens if a Democrat wins the next election?
12:42Yeah. The Iranians will run circles around the next Democrat administration, because all they're going
12:47to want to do is play the big peacemaker and say, big, bad, mean Trump
12:50did all these bad things to you, so we'll bend over backwards.
12:53We'll give you taxpayer cash.
12:55We'll show up with pallets full of dollar -dollar bills, everybody.
13:00Anything to make it seem like the Democrats are the peacemakers with Iran.
13:05So these are all the layers of complexity that come to bear.
13:08I'm really just thinking about this in a six -month, well, I guess more like
13:11eight, in front of the math, nine -month timeline here, of how does this play
13:15out between now until the midterms?
13:17Because if you try to think about what this really means long -term, you'll drive
13:21yourself crazy, because nobody can really know, and there's too many variables for anyone to
13:26be able to properly assess it.
13:28But really, this is, can Trump win this round against Iran and substantially delay their
13:34nuclear program and nuclear progress through it all?
13:37Regime change is not on the table.
13:39It's not happening. So that's where we are.
13:43We will take back, we will take your calls, we will take your interactions.
13:48Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky will join us at the bottom of the second hour.
13:55And Sarah Isker, who's got a book about the Supreme Court, is going to be
13:59in studio. And we'll see what she thinks about increasing speculation that Justice Alito might
14:05decide to step down and that Trump could have another Supreme Court vacancy to fill.
14:11That story out there and starting to get more attention as we come up on
14:16the end of the June recess.
14:19I was reading over the weekend that Alito has not hired his clerks fully.
14:26Sometimes that's a little bit of a sign.
14:28Again, the Supreme Court comes back in session in October.
14:31So from June to October, we could have a window there where President Trump could
14:35have a Supreme Court seat to fill.
14:38And given the Senate is unclear exactly what might happen there, worth paying attention to.
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16:12All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
16:14Kentucky Senator Rand Paul joins us now.
16:17Senator, appreciate you making the time for us, sir.
16:20Thank you. Glad to be with you.
16:21Thanks for having me. All right.
16:23You would not have, I think this is fair to say, if not, by all
16:27means, correct me. You would not have called for the bombing campaign in Iran and
16:33did not agree with it from the start.
16:35It has been going on.
16:36It is now at a ceasefire moment.
16:38If you can take us, just fast forward us in this process to how you
16:43think this is going now.
16:46How do you assess the status of this ceasefire, the current negotiations?
16:51Basically, how do we end this thing and get out of this thing as you
16:54see it? I think the one thing we can all agree with is that we'd
16:57love to see freedom for the Iranian people.
16:59We'd like to see the regime fall.
17:01There are other questions, though, about the advisability of the war, how you go to
17:05war. The Constitution and our founding fathers were pretty clear that when you go to
17:09war, Congress needs to vote.
17:11They said that to declare war or to initiate war, it would be the Congress
17:16that declares this. Now, some have said, well, there are exceptions to that.
17:20And one of the exceptions is that if we're imminently to be attacked, you know,
17:24someone's shooting at one of our ships or we're imminently under attack, the president can
17:28make some immediate decisions. Even under that circumstance, though, the founding fathers wanted the president
17:33then to ask for permission from Congress, even if he responded or she responded immediately.
17:38In this case, though, the adversary nation, the country that we've been at odds with,
17:43is 47 years in the making.
17:44It's a little hard to make the eminence argument.
17:47The other argument is, well, we have to stop them from having a nuclear weapon.
17:51Well, I think all of us want that.
17:52But our intelligence reports really showed no evidence that they were changing or getting closer
17:59to a nuclear weapon. We have 18 different parts of our intelligence agency all telling
18:04us about the same thing, that there really hadn't been a reconstitution of a nuclear
18:08program. There was essentially where they were when we blew them up six months ago.
18:13And the president said at that time the nuclear program was obliterated.
18:17So there are many arguments for why we should do it constitutionally.
18:21Then there's also another argument about practically whether or not we'll be better off.
18:26Right now, economically, the price of oil has gone up tremendously.
18:29People are noticing at the gas pump.
18:31I think it's going to be bad electorally for the party.
18:35The party already faces a very difficult election.
18:37And really, frankly, I think the soldiers that put their lives on the line deserve
18:41to have a full, a fulsome debate and a vote on the floor of the
18:46Senate and the House before we go to warm.
18:50No doubt we're talking to Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky.
18:53There's a big decision that's going to be made soon in terms of who's replacing
18:58Mitch McConnell in your state.
19:01A big primary decision. There's also a big battle.
19:04Thomas Massey has also got to see what's going to happen in the primary there.
19:10What are you seeing and hearing from Kentucky voters?
19:14You just mentioned the midterm.
19:15What are you seeing as the primary driver for the primary?
19:19It's going to happen in about a month there.
19:22I think people understand in Kentucky that you can be supportive of Donald Trump, as
19:27I am, and also supportive of Thomas Massey.
19:30I think Thomas Massey is the most conservative, most constitutionally oriented person in the House.
19:35He's fearless. He's the head of the Liberty Caucus.
19:38He's also the head of the Second Amendment Caucus.
19:41And so I am all in for Thomas Massey.
19:43I've campaigned for him several times.
19:45We'll continue to do so.
19:47And I think it's important to have independent voices.
19:50You know, if people want a rubber stamp and they say, will you support the
19:53president 100 % of the time?
19:55And then the other candidate says, no, I'll support him 150 % of the time.
19:59No, I'll support him 200 % of the time.
20:01You leave yourself wondering, are they conservative?
20:04Do they support a balanced budget?
20:06Do they support the Constitution?
20:07Do they support the Second Amendment?
20:08So to me, it's not so much about fidelity or faithfulness to one person.
20:13It's about fidelity and faithfulness to the Constitution, to conservative values, to limited government, to
20:19balanced budgets. And I think Thomas Massey is unparalleled in being the best defender of
20:24the Constitution currently in the Congress.
20:28Speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, I appreciated the, if I could circle
20:33back on this for a second, your feelings about the overall Iran conflict.
20:37But right now, there's a negotiation happening.
20:39Are you hopeful for this negotiation actually ending the conflict?
20:44What would you advise Trump, Vance, the others who are making decisions on this to
20:49do to stop this? Because I know you want this war over.
20:52I think that's very, I would have known that before you said it.
20:55You don't want us to be continuing to bomb them.
20:57You don't want the Strait of Hormuz to be under threat.
21:00Do you see a way forward, or are we just looking at months of instability
21:03here? I don't know that anybody knows the answer yet.
21:07I think the sticking point really is the Straits of Hormuz.
21:10Will the Iranians give in?
21:12Will the Iranians say that we won't develop a nuclear weapon?
21:15I think actually they will negotiate on that.
21:17They've been willing to negotiate on it before.
21:19It's whether or not they're believable in the negotiations.
21:22As far as the Straits go, our decision to blockade it will now be something
21:28that militarily will be decided whether or not we can do that.
21:32I think we probably can.
21:33We've removed mines from it.
21:35We have the capability to do that.
21:37The missiles they shoot are very, very close to us.
21:40So the way we intercept missiles is I think we're better the farther away they
21:43shoot the missiles from. The closer they are, the more difficult it is to intercept
21:47missiles. So militarily, we'll see what happens.
21:50I hope for the best.
21:52I hope that they will negotiate over the Straits and that we will move forward.
21:56I don't like the idea of us continuing forever to control the Straits of Ramos
22:00and charging a fee, as some have indicated, or controlling it jointly with Iran and
22:05charging a fee. I think it's unknown what will happen.
22:09The big sticking point really now is what will happen with the Straits.
22:13While the Iranians are completely defeated, their military is completely defeated.
22:17I don't know that the people are necessarily defeated.
22:20And in some ways, the new regime, there's a question whether or not they're going
22:24to be more compliant or less, whether it be more radical or less radical.
22:30Some say that the radicals that were killed off may be well replaced with even
22:33people more radical. We're talking to Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
22:37I know you've got a big hearing on the Second Amendment that's coming up.
22:40You're in Washington, D .C.
22:42I know we've got listeners all over the country that have weapons, have guns.
22:47And when they drive from one state to another, they're worried about what the rules
22:51are, what the laws are.
22:53And I do think this fact point should get more attention than it has.
22:58Thankfully, we set an all -time record low for murders in 2025.
23:03I think you probably could speak to this because I'm pretty sure it's factually connected,
23:08but there hasn't been much discussion about it.
23:10We also have record numbers of firearms in the hands of American citizens.
23:16That is never before have there been more guns in the hands of American citizens.
23:21Yet in 2025, we set what may well be the lowest murder rate in the
23:25history of the country. What can you tell us about the Second Amendment?
23:28What does that say about lawful guns in the hands of gun owners?
23:31And how frustrating is it to you that you're in Kentucky?
23:35I'm in Tennessee. We drive to Florida quite a lot.
23:38The rules are different depending on what states we go through to get to Florida
23:42from where I live in Nashville.
23:44That seems crazy to me.
23:47Well, the statistics are pretty clear that lawful gun owners and people who carry weapons
23:53actually commit crimes at a much lower rate than the general public.
23:56Most of the people who are lawfully owning guns are actually some of the most
24:00law -abiding people you'll meet.
24:01Most people carry weapons for self -defense and are actually some of the best citizens
24:06we have. The Second Amendment or the right to own guns to me is a
24:10natural right. It's God -given.
24:12It's the right to self -defense.
24:13It's codified in the Bill of Rights.
24:16And really, you should have a constitutional right to carry.
24:19In Kentucky, you do. We no longer have a concealed carry law.
24:22We have a constitutional carry, which means the Constitution protects it.
24:26So I'm for a national constitutional carry such that if you go from Tennessee and
24:31you drive up to D .C., you may well want self -defense in D .C.
24:35But right now it's difficult because D .C.
24:38basically bans people from having guns.
24:40It's difficult to own a gun or to bring a gun into D .C.
24:43But I see guns as self -defense.
24:45Everywhere I go, the people with me are armed.
24:47I'm often armed. And I think that it's something that is the idea of self
24:54-defense to me is a God -given right that shouldn't be infringed.
24:58Senator Paul, obviously, everyone knows as well that you were on that baseball diamond when
25:05a bad guy had a gun who was trying to shoot you and other members
25:09of Congress, did shoot Steve Scalise, who had to fight for his life.
25:13So your thoughts on the Second Amendment, I mean, there were fortunately, I believe it
25:17was actually a woman, a female member of Capitol Police, right?
25:20But there were the proverbial good guys with guns there to handle the situation.
25:25But to your point about D .C.
25:27versus Virginia, you really can't go into the district with a gun.
25:30And so people who are law -abiding are disarmed.
25:33And people who want to harm others like that maniacal shooter on that day, they
25:38enter into situations knowing that they're effectively dealing with what is either a gun -free
25:42or a very limited gun zone.
25:45Yeah. And I think when you look at crime, John Lott's written several books on
25:49this. But when you look at crime, most of the crime that is committed with
25:53weapons is committed with weapons that are not legally bought.
25:57These are guns with the identification mark scratched off and they're solded and traded hands
26:02in the black market. So of legally owned guns, very, very little crime is committed
26:07with that. Almost all the crime in the U .S.
26:09is with illegally traded guns.
26:11So making more gun laws and making more guns illegal doesn't necessarily affect the crime
26:16rate. What it does is it just affects those of us who are law -abiding
26:20who buy guns for self -defense.
26:23We get asked about this all the time, the SAVE Act.
26:27What's going to happen? What should happen?
26:29Is anything going to progress in any way there in terms of a resolution?
26:36We're talking with Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
26:39I'm a co -sponsor of it.
26:41I think it should be a minimum to vote in our country that you have
26:44to present an ID. Another problem we have besides the ID is also this idea
26:49of voting by mail. In our state, we went ahead and got rid of voting
26:54by mail for the most part.
26:5597 % of Kentuckians vote in person.
26:57We still have about five Republican or battleground states that haven't done it.
27:02So while I'm for a national ID to be shown for voting and national elections,
27:07I think we should also have a push because we may not get enough votes
27:10to pass it in the Senate.
27:12We should also be pushing at the state level.
27:14So Utah. Arizona, Alaska, Iowa, West Virginia, all Republican -leaning states, maybe except for Arizona,
27:22still don't have sufficient voter ID laws.
27:24And they also mail ballots to everyone and keep mailing them and mailing them and
27:28mailing them and soliciting voters who normally don't have the energy to get off their
27:33couch. And so I think we need to keep addressing it national level.
27:37If we're not successful there, I think the next step is to go to the
27:40five remaining Republican or battleground states and let's change the laws in those states to
27:46have better voter ID laws.
27:48Tomorrow is tax day, a day that many of us hate.
27:52I've got some data here that I thought was interesting.
27:56IRS, top 1 % of income tax filers contribute about 40 % of the overall
28:02revenue. Top 10 % pay 72 % of all the revenue.
28:07Top quarter, 87 .2%. Bottom half pays no federal income tax.
28:13Yet Democrats are going to be all up in arms and continue to be that
28:17tax rates need to be raised.
28:20Your thoughts? I was on The View one time and I don't recommend it, but
28:25I was on The View and I told the ladies that people under $50 ,000
28:30don't pay any income tax.
28:31And they all started squawking and yelling at me back and forth and they wouldn't
28:35listen to it. But it is a fact.
28:37Under $50 ,000, you don't pay income tax.
28:40Particularly husband and wife and two kids, the standard deduction is $50 ,000.
28:45So you don't pay under $50 ,000 the income tax.
28:48When people say on the left, when Bernie and other people on the left say,
28:52oh, the rich are not paying their fair share, it's the opposite.
28:55The rich are not only paying their fair share, they're paying most of the income
28:58tax. You're exactly right. Top 1 % paying 40%, almost half of the income tax.
29:05Top 10%, 70%. So yes, the wealthy, we have a more progressive tax code in
29:10our country than they do in Sweden.
29:12So we have plenty of taxes.
29:15We have too much, but we also have a spending problem.
29:17So even with all the taxes we pay, we have this massive deficit.
29:21But what we don't need is more revenue.
29:23I don't want more taxes, but we do need to cut spending and cut it
29:26dramatically. Senator Rand Paul. Senator Rand Paul, thanks so much for being with us.
29:31Appreciate you, sir. Thank you.
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31:06Wind down your day with the Daily Review Podcast.
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31:13Welcome back in. Hour number three, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
31:19We have got a bunch of different news stories that we are tracking for all
31:24of you. Reports that there may be yet another round of discussions in Pakistan between
31:31Iran and the United States as we are talking with all of you.
31:37S &P 500 up substantially, only about one half of a percent away, about 38
31:47points in the S &P 500 from an all -time record high for stocks.
31:53The price of gas continuing to decline as I am looking at it right now.
32:01Crude oil futures down to $88 a barrel in real time, down about 5 %
32:08today. The expectation of the blockade having a negative impact seems to have largely vanished.
32:17There are possible, like I just said, additional talks coming.
32:22And that is the latest as it pertains to Iran.
32:27Buck, anything that you would add on the Iran news, again, stock market near record
32:33high, price of oil and gas down substantially today.
32:37Now, to be fair, it's up about $20 -ish from before the, before.
32:43the war started in iran i think oil and gas prices 66 67 dollars a
32:48barrel ish uh and they are at 88 right now but down pretty substantially uh
32:55from the early days of the war reason why i mentioned markets in this respect
33:00is there seems to be a sense that things are calming down fairly substantially in
33:06the uh gulf region and if you're out there and you're thinking okay what does
33:10that mean for oil and gas prices to me clay they got up to about
33:14120 bucks um and now they're back down to 88 so they have fallen pretty
33:20precipitously from their peak during the course of uh of this uh of this war
33:27yes i think that we are seeing the trump administration tallying what the iranians have
33:36in terms of leverage and weaknesses and what we have or what trump has on
33:42his side bring to bear the full force and weight of the united states military
33:45and saying if you guys want to turn this into a version of medieval siege
33:50warfare we can do that and that just turns into who has more who has
33:55better preparations who has more stuff who can outlast the other right so that's where
34:01we are i think it's it's a bit of a waiting game with the pressures
34:04that are there the things that could shake it up dramatically would be if we
34:08went in to take the uranium that would be a big that would be a
34:12big gamble but that's something that may happen or if uh the iranians decided you
34:19know what we're just going to blow up a tanker and see what happens i
34:22don't see them doing that uh because it would cause such problems for them too
34:27but when someone is cornered you never know what they're willing to do and if
34:32we really have our foot on the jugular of the malacracy they may react in
34:37a way that is uh hard to hard to foresee and and could be very
34:43drastic so that's that's how i see it i mean jd vance is saying that
34:48you see this here this is cut 13 he's talking about economic terrorism that iran
34:53has engaged in and he's like we can play this game play 13 here's the
34:57very interesting thing about all this is that the only thing the iranians have been
35:01able to do they haven't of course beaten us militarily they've had their military been
35:05decimated they haven't been able to prosecute um the case when it comes to weapons
35:10of war what they have done is engage in this act of economic terrorism against
35:14the entire world they basically threatened any ship that's moving through the straits of hormuz
35:19well as the president united states showed two can play at that game and if
35:22the iranians are going to try to engage in economic terrorism we're going to abide
35:26by a simple principle that no iranian ships are getting out either this is what
35:32i mean by who can wait this out more who can handle the pressure better
35:36um now i think that the thing that the iranians have going for them or
35:40the regime has going forward is they view this as existential and they're used to
35:45a lot of suffering and inflicting a lot of suffering as well as taking it
35:48themselves uh we have a democracy we have a republic i know but we have
35:53democratic elections and therefore we have to think about the political pressures but economically and
35:58militarily clay it's checkmate on iran it is and uh for those of you out
36:05there and i get it because i filled up my uh car over the weekend
36:10um and price of oil and gas is up to around on average i always
36:14like to have fun with this on average about four dollars a gallon um and
36:19the overall price increases have effectively stopped and again i think you're going to start
36:28to see a dial back pretty significantly uh between now and memorial day when prices
36:36are likely to go up again it's just me analyzing the larger marketplace because a
36:40lot more people go on the road they switch out the uh the type of
36:44oil and gas that is primarily sold uh so if you're out there and you
36:49are using the price of oil and gas as a proxy for how the economy
36:54is going um then i think you're going to start to see those prices come
36:58back down um based on what we are uh what we are seeing in the
37:03larger marketplace um okay so again stock market near record highs about one half of
37:10a percent off all -time highs if you had just not paid attention at all
37:16the stock prices and not paid attention at all to uh what's going on with
37:20iran and just done nothing at all different uh you would be in a good
37:24shape um and uh in the uh uh we will see what exactly ends up
37:30happening uh going forward but definitely the trend lines are positive i did want to
37:35play this buck um do we know uh producer ali let me know is the
37:40audio good enough now to play of the accuser at the press conference we played
37:45this earlier and some of you had a little bit of difficulty of hearing it
37:49i don't know what happened it was somewhat garbled uh let's see if that's true
37:54or not this is cut uh 33 this is the accuser lana drews of eric
38:02swalwell pause for a sec before we play that if you are just getting in
38:06your car uh there is a new accuser of eric swalwell And then she has
38:12gone public. She just had a press conference in Beverly Hills.
38:16She alleges that he drugged and raped her.
38:18This is a new allegation helps to explain why Eric Swalwell not only has dropped
38:23out of the governor's race, as we discussed yesterday with Steve Hilton, but also why
38:28he has decided to give up his congressional seat.
38:32Listen to that. My delay in taking action against Eric was driven by fear, not
38:37doubt, fear of his political power, his background as an attorney, and his family law
38:46enforcement ties. All right. So that was part of it.
38:50Here is a little bit longer version.
38:52This is her saying, I was drugged and raped in his hotel room.
38:58Cut 32. I had contact with Eric Swalwell on three separate occasions after meeting him
39:05socially. He offered me connections to further my software company.
39:10And I also had an interest in local politics.
39:13He invited me to two public events.
39:16I knew he was married at the time and that his wife was pregnant.
39:21He was my friend. On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink.
39:27I only had one glass of wine.
39:30He, he, we were supposed to go to a political event and he said he
39:34needed to get paperwork from his hotel room.
39:37When I arrived at his hotel room, I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move
39:44my arms or my body.
39:47He raped me. He raped me.
39:49And he choked me. And while he was choking me, I lost consciousness.
39:54And I thought I died.
39:56I did not consent to any sexual activity.
40:00Okay. Uh, Buck, now the fallout Swalwell is done.
40:04He may well face criminal charges.
40:06Again, that is a new accuser, different than what the San Francisco Chronicle reported and
40:12different than what CNN had previously reported.
40:14Um, there is a video that is circulating of Eric Swalwell, what appears to be
40:21making out with hooker with a hooker in, uh, it looks like a hotel room
40:25of some sort. Uh, and Senator Ruben Gallego from Arizona, who was best buds with
40:33Eric Swalwell, uh, and just endorsed him as recently as a couple of weeks ago
40:38to be the next governor of California.
40:40California now says that he had heard rumors, but he's been misled.
40:44There are people alleging that Swalwell is actually accompanied by Gallego in some of these
40:53videos, including the one that has now gone viral.
40:56Well, Gallego was asked about this, uh, and, uh, Greg producer, Greg pulled this.
41:02He says he was not in the same room.
41:05It's not, not, not, not an accusation.
41:07You want to be responding to Buck says he was not in the same room
41:10as Swalwell making out with hookers.
41:13This is cut 36. Was that you sitting next to him?
41:16It's an example of the lies.
41:18No, I was not sitting next to him.
41:20I was not in the room.
41:21I was nowhere. I don't even know where it happened.
41:23This is exactly what I'm talking about.
41:25Chris LaSavita and a bunch of other right wing political operatives are pushing this narrative
41:30that somehow I was in that room with, uh, Eric Swalwell.
41:33And that is an absolute lie.
41:34Um, okay. So Buck, I think one of these, uh, conversations that is going to
41:40spread rapidly is a lot of people are now, what we talked about before that
41:46journalists are okay doing propaganda until it starts to humiliate them until it starts to
41:52look bad for them to be the propagandist in the same way that everybody turned
41:57on Joe Biden almost immediately and said, Oh, well, you know, it turns out he
42:01was no after the debate.
42:02I do wonder whether there's a little bit of running for cover now starting to
42:07happen on Capitol Hill, because as we've discussed, Swalwell's behavior was not a very well
42:13-kept secret. And a lot of people were endorsing and encouraging others to support him.
42:19And now you're starting to see the heat get shifted from Swalwell to sort of
42:23the, uh, you know, the, the downrange aspects of how did you allow this guy
42:29to stay in power and how did you protect him?
42:32All the Democrats care about his power.
42:34The Democrat party cares about one thing and one thing only that has to be
42:37in power. There is no ethical constraint.
42:39There is nothing, uh, that they view as more important than that.
42:44And you see this from the fact that people were even comfortable effectively coming forward
42:48to say, Oh, I've known that Swalwell has been doing bad things.
42:53Not, not as bad as the recent stuff necessarily, but that he was, uh, uh,
42:58a, what's the kind of, uh, lascivious that you're breaking out a lot of good
43:03vocabulary here today. Thank you.
43:05Uh, you know, that he was, uh, what's, what's the word that people will use
43:09for like an old man, a lecherous.
43:11There we go. That's another good one.
43:12Um, and he was got like a lecherous, gross member of Congress.
43:16Um, they, they were fine to come out and say, yeah, we all knew this,
43:21but you know, we needed him.
43:22And he was really good on being, I'll notice something else about this.
43:25Notice how some of the people who are the most vocally anti -Trump, Avenatti, Swalwell,
43:32you see these people who are held up as heroes.
43:34Well, and there are other names that I'm sure you're shouting out right now, held
43:37up as heroes for their anti -Trump.
43:38and then it comes out that they're degenerate scumbags and in no position to be
43:42calling out anybody for the behavior that they are so offended by.
43:48Democrats are perfectly fine with this.
43:50They're fine with elevating. Oh, Anthony Weiner, by the way, huge attack dog for the
43:55Democrats against any Republican. That was his job, to go on MSNBC and be kind
43:58of smug and snarky and attack, attack, attack.
44:03Can you imagine? This guy, you're sending photos of your genitalia, to strangers on the
44:10internet, and you think you should be lecturing Republicans on how bad they are on
44:14TV? But sure enough, you see this over and over again with these Democrats.
44:19They get absolutely... But by the way, Joe Biden.
44:22Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, the whole thing.
44:25These people are attacking Republicans all the time.
44:27You're Hunter Biden. You think you're in a position to attack anyone for anything?
44:30Or Joe Biden, for that matter?
44:31I agree with that. How about Swalwell was one of the foremost accusers on the
44:36Epstein files? Like, if you...
44:39And of Kavanaugh. Yeah. But, I mean, if you were engaged in behavior like this,
44:47as he has been alleged to be involved in, are you going to be the
44:50guy running around saying, can you believe Jeffrey Epstein was trading on relationships and being
44:56involved with lots of women?
44:58And I just, it is, to your point, Buck, either he is a, he's got
45:04a mental illness of an incredibly high level, or in his mind, he was, he
45:12had convinced himself that all of these acts were consensual, and he was just a
45:19paragon of virtue, at least in his relationships with women, even though, obviously, he's married
45:24and he's got multiple kids.
45:26And I just, this story is really kind of staggering.
45:31I don't know that we've ever seen a political collapse happen this quickly.
45:36And again, we've talked about it.
45:39Democrats, to me, at some point, basically ordered the code red on this guy.
45:43And he ran for president.
45:45Nobody came after him, right?
45:47I mean, usually when you run for president, if there's dirty laundry, now maybe he
45:50was just such a far down the list of presidential candidates that nobody took him
45:55seriously. And maybe it's just that he was now the favorite in California, and that
46:00explains the code red suddenly happening.
46:02The guy's been in Congress for a long time to suddenly have all of this
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47:17Level up your brain. Mental mugging with Clay and Buck.
47:21Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
47:24We're joined by Sarah Isger, host of the Advisory Opinions Podcast, editor of SCOTUS blog.
47:31Clay's excited. Author of the new book, Last Branch Standing, a potentially surprising, occasionally witty
47:39journey inside today's Supreme Court.
47:42She is in our New York studio.
47:43Sarah, great to have you on the program.
47:46Thanks for having me here, guys.
47:48Let's just get to, if I could, this court.
47:52What is so interesting about it to you right now?
47:56Why'd you write the book?
47:57Tell us some things about the Supreme Court.
47:59You write for SCOTUS blog.
48:00That's where everyone goes to get their crib notes about what's happening.
48:03That's exactly right. We do live blogs for the oral arguments, for the opinion hand
48:07downs. And I wrote the book because basically every narrative we have about the Supreme
48:12Court is wrong. This idea that it's a 6 -3 partisan court, the idea that
48:18the court is, you know, the one that's left to decide all of our most
48:22important issues. I mean, let's just start with that one for a second.
48:25We are at the end of a 100 -year failed experiment from the progressive era
48:30where, like, let's not have Congress do anything because those, you know, dumb, dumb representatives
48:36and the voters who put them there can't be trusted.
48:38We should instead have experts decide everything.
48:41Fast forward, Congress doesn't legislate anymore.
48:44The president is doing everything by executive power, regardless of which party they belong to.
48:49And so the Supreme Court is forced to play this role, you know, deciding what
48:55Congress meant by some old statute that the president cites.
48:59And instead of the headline saying, you know, Supreme Court strikes down Trump's tariffs or
49:04Supreme Court strikes down Biden's tariffs, student loan debt forgiveness the correct headline should say
49:09supreme court says only congress can do worldwide tariffs supreme court says only congress can
49:16do student loan debt forgiveness but we're letting congress off the hook and we're blaming
49:20the court uh sarah i got a bunch i love this um the supreme court
49:26behind the scenes everything else let me start with this one because i actually read
49:31the new york times is now covering it but the poly market uh says right
49:36now that justice alito is favored to step down um this year which would mean
49:43that we would have a supreme court vacancy sometimes at sometime after this term ends
49:48in june uh do you buy it do you think it is likely do you
49:52think that president trump will get an appointment how would you read the tea leaves
49:57behind the scenes right now so i mean it's it's basically 50 50 at this
50:02point the big thing that we have to go on is one supreme court justices
50:06tend to retire july 2nd right before a midterm election if they're sort of of
50:11that age on the other hand samuel alito is actually relatively young for a supreme
50:17court justice who's considering retiring he's got a book coming out in october you know
50:22books sell better if you're an active supreme court justice so i don't know i
50:26can argue it either way what's fun is to look at who trump would potentially
50:30appoint and whether they might be trying behind the scenes to make sure justice alito
50:35knows that if he retires they will appoint for instance one of his former clerks
50:40like fifth circuit judge andy oldham to take his spot so you know don't worry
50:46your honor if you leave your legacy will continue because we're going to pick someone
50:50from your clerk family and in fact three of the current justices are replaced their
50:55bosses the chief replaced the old chief justice kavanaugh replaced justice kennedy and justice jackson
51:01replaced justice briar so that would be kind of in line with what we've seen
51:05recently um okay drama you were talking about uh the supreme court relationships does it
51:12buy do you buy into the fact that katanji brown jackson is the least liked
51:18justice by her colleagues on the supreme court right now and the reason why i
51:22would ask is you've seen kagan really kind of take aim at her and amy
51:27coney barrett that's on the left amy coney barrett is seems very very nice she
51:32seems like a mom in a pickup line uh very much of the time uh
51:36and she has i don't know her opinions what's going on there what do you
51:52think about the interpersonal dynamics yeah i have little mini biographies of each of the
51:57justices in the book what they like to binge watch what shows they're into right
52:01now justice kagan's poker game and you know a way to think about the justices
52:07there's no question is ideology right some justices are conservative some are liberal they're doing
52:12sort of different projects along that you know spectrum but it doesn't really help you
52:17understand why for instance justice kavanaugh was more likely to agree with every other justice
52:23on the court except jackson other than justice gorsuch right they're the same amount of
52:28conservatives so why are they only together 50 of the time last term and the
52:32answer and don't worry i'm getting to the justice jackson part is there's this other
52:37you know spectrum to think about the justices on i like to think of it
52:41as institutionalism and you know justice gorsuch is like it's just me all i do
52:46is tell you what i think of the case that's my only job here he
52:49writes a lot of concurrences because of that like ah here's my take justice kavanaugh
52:54thinks of this as more of a middle school group project we're all in this
52:58together we speak with a single voice when possible it's not about me justice jackson
53:04and justice gorsuch are very similar in terms of being low institutionalists who see that
53:11like this is about what they think about the case they don't have to think
53:15that much about what previous courts thought about precedent for instance so when justice jackson
53:21joins the court she does a lot of things that are um unusual like i
53:28forget exactly how many years it took for the chief justice for instance to write
53:32a solo dissent about a decade she wrote three her first year on the court
53:37she's just not like a dues paying type of girl and yeah i think that
53:42can rub your colleagues the wrong way but there's only nine of them they take
53:46collegiality very seriously as justice barrett has said it's kind of like an arranged marriage
53:51for life um and so i you know she talks justice jackson talks the most
53:56adoral argument she's writing these solo dissents she's you know in these 8 -1 cases
54:00like in the conversion therapy case um you know kagan and sotomayor are with the
54:06conservatives nope jackson's off on her own yeah i think that can tweak people speaking
54:12to sarah uh sarah isger and she has a book out which you should all
54:18check out last branch standing a potentially surprising occasionally witty journey into just last branch
54:22standing go find that on amazon go buy it you can get the rest of
54:25the title when you buy the book um so i'm glad you and clay are
54:29having fun with all the legal nerd stuff nerding it out on the legal stuff
54:32clay wants to talk to you about previous Supreme Court.
54:35You guys can do a whole podcast on that.
54:36I have to ask you something, which is, I heard you were on The View
54:41today. What was that like?
54:43And what is the similarity between explaining the Supreme Court and being on The View
54:48to explaining the Supreme Court to a kindergarten class?
54:52So I will just tell you guys, I was so nervous about it.
54:55I've never been on The View before.
54:58Obviously, you know, I worked in the first Trump administration.
55:01I worked in, you know, on a gazillion Republican campaigns during my career.
55:05And I was just like, oh, this could go really, really poorly.
55:10But I have to say, I actually had a great time because I like introducing
55:15people to the Supreme Court.
55:16And the audience was like nodding along.
55:19And they were like, oh, yeah, Congress isn't doing its job.
55:22It's like the one thing that unites Americans is that nobody like approves of Congress.
55:27They have like a 9 % approval rating.
55:29And I'm dying to meet one of those 9%.
55:31If you know any, send them my way.
55:34So it's fun to explain to people that like, hey, you're being told this lie
55:37about the Supreme Court. Let me explain to you why that's not true and like
55:41who you should blame. And we all have control over that because Congress is the
55:45most representative branch. We get to vote on these guys every two years.
55:49So if they're not doing their job, blame them, vote them out.
55:52The Supreme Court is supposed to be counter -majoritarian.
55:55They're supposed to be a lagging indicator of our politics.
55:58They're actually doing their job.
56:01Okay. So we mentioned what the possibility might be going forward in terms of is
56:05Alito going to step down?
56:07Ketanji Brown -Jackson. We have a massive number, I would say, of significant cases still
56:13to be resolved between now and the end of the year.
56:15Birthright citizenship, the Voting Rights Act in particular, gerrymandering, whether it is allowed on a
56:22racial basis. What do you think in terms of super significant decisions that we will
56:29see? Will anything upset the proverbial apple cart in terms of between now and when
56:35the final opinions are released near the end of June?
56:39There's no question that that Voting Rights Act case that you're talking about just has
56:44loomed over this whole term.
56:46You know, we've had tariffs and we've had birthright citizenship.
56:49But for the justices themselves, the Voting Rights Act has kind of plagued them for
56:55years at this point. They keep having these cases come back.
56:57In this case, it's sort of funny isn't the right word.
57:00It's not like haha funny.
57:01But Louisiana draws their district and they get sued because they only have one majority
57:07minority district. So they're like, fine.
57:09So they draw a second majority minority district.
57:12Then they get sued by white voters who are like, you racially gerrymandered that second
57:16district. And Louisiana is like, so what are we supposed to do?
57:20Have one or have two?
57:21Because we get sued and we get found liable either way.
57:24So that's what the Supreme Court is having to decide.
57:27I personally am into sort of the some of the other statutory cases, if you
57:33will. So can Mississippi receive ballots five days after election day?
57:38Or did Congress say no to that?
57:40Because they said there's an election day.
57:43As they send the oral argument, do you have to consummate the election on election
57:47day? That was people giggled in the courtroom, if you're curious.
57:51That is very much of a nerdy law joke that I would imagine would be
57:56very appealing to your average lawyer.
57:59Consummate. There's this other case about the remain in Mexico policy and the question of
58:03whether Congress allows the administration to prevent someone from getting to the southern border to
58:08ask for asylum. But to put this in bigger context, all the court is being
58:13asked to do in those cases is to say what Congress said in their statute.
58:18So what's supposed to happen in our system, if it were functioning correctly based on
58:22the Constitution, after the Supreme Court says one way or the other, it shouldn't actually
58:27matter because Congress the next day could amend their laws to fix it to whichever
58:32way they wanted it to say or what the people wanted it to be.
58:36But none of us believe that Congress will actually do that.
58:39So the Supreme Court becomes the last word.
58:43Then we blame the Supreme Court.
58:45And then the Supreme Court becomes really important.
58:47It becomes the focus of our politics.
58:49But it's not responsive to us.
58:51It's supposed to be against these majorities.
58:54And as I said, like a lagging indicator of our politics.
58:57And so we've really got to put that pressure back on Congress and stop saying
59:01like, well, the Supreme Court said so.
59:03Toss our hands up. Nothing we can do.
59:05Like, no, no, no. Whether Mississippi can accept ballots is not a constitutional question.
59:09It's just up to Congress.
59:10That's it. All right. Go get the book.
59:15Last branch standing. Sarah, great to have you on the program.
59:19Thanks for being here with us.
59:20Thank you guys for having me.
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