OpenAIGP

4/8/2026118 mincomplete

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0:23let's do the damn thing let's do the fucking show um we're back we're back
0:37we were gonna pot yesterday i'm really glad i'm glad we didn't you were right
0:42yeah it would have been really bad if we were like up in here talking
0:46about christy gnomes husbands sissy hypno rubber humongous fake cassie pritchard tits while we're on
1:01like a brink of a nuclear war we're like new episode out about christy gnom
1:06remember from a week ago i kind of figured trump wouldn't nuke iran and i'm
1:10happy that he didn't look at me pronouncing iran correctly but it would have been
1:15funny if he did and then we published an episode like two or three days
1:19late that was like how about those weird tranny honkers that guy's an auto gynephile
1:29and a narcissist they've done it again i'm gonna try to like do this episode
1:35without saying the n -word i don't mean the racist n -word i mean the
1:39psychological n -word because the sam altman stuff is so like covert n versus grandiose
1:46and it's like that dynamic all over the real n -word but i'm gonna try
1:51to desist um and yeah and then i said let's hold off and read the
1:58sam altman thing it's pretty long yeah and the doc it's pretty scampy much like
2:03the small spandex shorts that christy gnome's husband likes to wear um i mean that
2:14really was a good news item it was i like any news item that like
2:18um pulls people out of the iran discourse we're right back in today yeah i
2:27really i can't it does i like was crying today why because you were worried
2:32that there was a 10 chance that he might pull trig yeah just the sit
2:38like since the war started basically it's given me like this i feel very destabilized
2:46and obviously there's other things contributing and it's like a just displaced you know we're
2:53fighting admit it me and anna are fighting it's like when my dad gets upset
2:59about the stock market but he's like mad already you know he's like so he
3:04like watches the stocks to like agitate himself and like prove that he's upset but
3:10no i was like it was i was like just like the civil a civilization
3:14will die i was like oh just it's so what did he mean by that
3:19the dread he didn't name the country interesting um i didn't think he would he
3:26would do it no i kind of knew it was bluster but it's still it's
3:31like just the dread of like the on the conflict and the the holy war
3:36aspect of it is causing people's like i don't know i feel like it's making
3:45everyone like men more mentally ill yeah i mean obviously like maybe it's like um
3:51trite or condescending to point out but i say it as like a person who
3:56includes herself in the dynamic just like obviously this is the first big total social
4:07media war so everything that you're hearing and seeing plays into people's existing like neuroses
4:14and anxieties and i was thinking about that with like the footage of the human
4:22chains that were supposedly happening all over around today the human centipedes of these people
4:29who were like linking hands and showing up at like bridges and power plants and
4:34being like we're gonna like die for the nation and like half the people online
4:39were calling them cowards and the other half were calling them brave and i'm just
4:47like such a skeptic now i don't trust or believe anything i see on twitter
4:54because my first automatic question is like is this ai who are these people who
5:03are they being paid by if they are indeed civilians then from their point of
5:09view and their context it is obviously a courageous gesture because they're unironic and faithful
5:19and believe in something yeah beyond themselves and they have just a different frame yeah
5:24you know um we gotta get that straight we gotta need the straight of hormuz
5:33we need it open which again as the anti -war people correctly point out was
5:44already okay A e open before exactly trump launched this it's crazy to start a
5:49war and then sam we're gonna nuke you if you don't open the strait that
5:53you closed because we start bombing you and like i had a sincere non -rhetorical
5:59question which was when he was talking about like total civilizational annihilation yeah okay it's
6:07like yeah like no you don't get it he's obviously doing art of the deal
6:11like sure but also yeah maybe people see that as a bridge too far it's
6:19not like it's not civilized but also like my sense of it was that he
6:24was throwing the rhetoric of the iranians back at them because iran is literally known
6:30for issuing clownishly grandiose civilizational threats and not following up on them and of course
6:37there's like a power imbalance where like the united states can easily obliterate them but
6:43they can't obliterate us that's the difference and it's you know that's their culture and
6:52now they're intense like that and like we in the west we you know it's
6:59we what's nice is we're a little more restrained or post -modern and irony poisoned
7:04it just doesn't and i yeah and i'm just too like i'm fragile i'm in
7:14a fragile state i've been largely staying out of it because like i can't as
7:21one person on the internet get to the bottom of what's going on and i
7:25keep reading these like conflicting takes you're not monitoring this i'm not monitoring the situation
7:30me neither really i don't think it's really worth it it's just going to stress
7:36yeah it's not going to really change anything meaningfully in my life except spiking my
7:40cortisol making me less beautiful i'm going back to psychoanalysis i'm getting back on the
7:47couch you're converting to judaism they got to you didn't they they did and i
7:57gotta go lie down on the couch and meet with some rabbis and say i'm
8:03sorry for some for something this will be great for you you can like anti
8:07-semitically abuse some like 38 year old shrink who has transference for you and maybe
8:12get some transference back that could be i mean i'm feeling optimistic about this new
8:19journey i'll be undertaking she's going on the adam friedland show you guys my analyst
8:26adam friedland but well yeah and then the the time the like by 8 p
8:35.m yeah also like it's like oh like all day i was like oh four
8:40more hours i know like counting like watching the israeli countdown clock i hate that
8:46you know that that specific thing yeah just the the brinkmanship though and the countdown
8:54and the you know yeah it gives me anxiety and i already have anxiety i'm
9:00like yeah obviously like iran and the u .s are like playing a game of
9:04chicken and now there's like news that there's this 10 point plan but there's and
9:10either the iranians are conceding or the u .s is conceding it's unclear depending on
9:15where you stand if you're like a panicking or a plan truster we don't need
9:19to get into it it's above our pay grade honestly um i've just been um
9:29bipolarly liking all sorts of different tweets from all sorts of different people my likes
9:35are like uh the gaza strip right now just all these chaotic energies flying at
9:42each other yeah i'm per usual i'm rocking with glenn you know oh yeah he
9:49had like um a pretty deece post today that i read oh you know what
9:55really annoys me so i finally upgraded my computer and my phone oh congrats speaking
9:59of ai yeah it took me like a week or a week and a half
10:03between when i got when i picked the items up at the apple store and
10:08when i actually set them up you got a new phone too hell yeah yeah
10:12nice girl but camera's mid fake news yeah yeah better than the old one or
10:20i mean sure but like marginally yeah it's like nothing to write home about i'm
10:25not that impressed my phone's all oily so yeah same but the thing is like
10:31the new the new phone and computer are like armed with all these um spiffy
10:38new ai technologies that are even more horrible and oppressive than like being on like
10:46email lists yeah and you like i guess you can opt out of them but
10:51i haven't figured out how and so whenever i get like a text message or
10:55an email the ai will compile a summary of what's in it yeah which is
11:01like crazy making who wants that i know that's not that doesn't seem optimized yeah
11:10it seems worse what kind of laptop do you get just like the basic air
11:16air model yeah yeah i think like the same one that you have yeah i
11:23mean well when all these people talk about how they have these like ai agents
11:28like starting businesses and stuff for them i'm like what yeah i'm like i can't
11:35even i can't even use airdrop like i'm not gonna make it like your phone
11:43against somebody's like you're cheersing i i dread getting a new phone what's your phone
11:50it's like mad old yeah but it's working fine it's whatever my chassis loads up
11:58my chassis loads up so that's good nice so depressed okay so christy gnome uh
12:09her husband byron is a cross dresser yeah and he likes to wear big do
12:18you think it's like a classic old school you think it's like an anthony wiener
12:23humiliation fetish thing where he like oh like you know it's the best nut of
12:27his life that these are leaked right yeah everyone's happy and she's been having an
12:35affair allegedly yeah she's been fucking cory lewandowski so she gets to get dick down
12:44by some other guy and feel like a victim and she got she lost her
12:49job and she lost her job so she gets to feel even more like a
12:52victim pam bondy also lost her job yeah um sometimes i'll see like you know
12:59like various takes and memes floating across the tl and i you know they get
13:04a chuckle out of me a little lol and then everybody just like copy paste
13:08them and they become so like tired and i get like irritated and feel like
13:14a bull in a china shop like um they were calling it um the like
13:19night of long knives for maga bimbos or whatever and then the other take on
13:25this that i saw that was initially funny but really like uh got played out
13:30really quickly was um that um between her shooting her dog and him having big
13:36fake rubber tits this was like a john waters movie yeah that's true how is
13:42she i like was kind of skimming her wikipedia trying to figure out what the
13:47secretary of homeland security even really does and i guess she's been in politics for
13:55a long time and i know it's like a longevity game but how is she
13:59qualified how'd she even get this job in the first place she was governor of
14:03montana when she shot her dog oh yeah maybe yeah those like fargo states yeah
14:10she shot her dog yeah because it like wasn't hunting the pheasants properly or something
14:17yeah it was like wasn't even like rabid poorly behaved yeah so she dug a
14:21ditch in her backyard and was like kids gather around that's crazy i'm gonna show
14:27you what a real red -blooded maga female looks like but how is she like
14:31she's clearly not good at her wasn't good at her job uh yeah probably not
14:38so she was like the the dhs secretary yeah so she was like liaising with
14:45like ice and local authorities to deport people uh i was wondering um what the
14:54nature of this leak was and why it happened when it did like you know
15:02some people were surmising that this was insult to injury to the maga movement which
15:10is like and to trump because the mag maga is you know supposedly dead and
15:16trump's approval rating is in the gutter but i wouldn't be surprised also if she
15:25leaked this info herself something something yeah something in the milk ain't clean um this
15:33is from the post a family member previously told the post that byron has stuck
15:37by his wife uh with the cheating allegations because he believes it was quote his
15:43calling from god to support her and whatever she decided to do by her brian
15:47though brian brian i think his name is brian but it's spelled funny okay his
15:52family member added so he has put up with the humiliation we will see if
15:55he sticks with her now i think it's him honoring the calling from god the
15:59family member continued but it seems like there would be some limit to that the
16:03daily mail cited hundreds of messages brian allegedly exchanged with members of the bimbofication fetish
16:09scene in the alleged conversations gnome's husband enthusiastically praised their heavily augmented appearances and proclaimed
16:17he coveted huge huge ridiculous boobs according to the mail he traded selfies with one
16:22woman he pledged to worship like a quote goddess telling her you turn me into
16:26a girl before asking if you should put on leggings monica has the opportunity to
16:32do the funniest thing right now i guess the idea is that whoever leaked this
16:39did it to like kick maga while they were down because she was like overseeing
16:43mass deportations and doing a not so great job blah blah blah um i didn't
16:51see anybody being that offended i mean it was mostly like fake outrage i guess
16:55the leftists were doing a victory lap and having a gotcha moment as they should
17:00frankly i guess i mean it's a mute we can all enjoy yeah um conservatards
17:07were really outraged as they tend to be everyone was calling him like a faggot
17:13and a freak yeah yeah yeah yeah i have to be like an annoying clarifier
17:20and go michael tracy mode and say that he's clearly not gay because everybody was
17:24doing the whole like oh um republican women don't marry a gay guy challenge right
17:29but like he's not gay and it's not even really clear what his politics are
17:34yeah and he's not even a tranny no he's just a good old -fashioned cross
17:39dresser he's sissified he's got a fetish and they're kink shaming him and she definitely
17:48knows yeah like i don't think this was a secret in their marriage they must
17:57have the happiest marriage ever this must be working for them yeah because he's like
18:03oh you humiliate me i'll humiliate you back and get get a little more humiliation
18:09from myself which i like i'm gonna come you with my big goofy tits on
18:18i can even see how like a guy can strap on a pair of big
18:25rubber succulent like spencer's gifts chicken tits and like whip himself into an erotic frenzy
18:36yeah yeah i could understand that people were liking likening him to um biden's health
18:47czar rachel levine but i don't think that's exactly an apt comparison no this is
18:56like that was sort of uh not intentionally grotesque and this clearly is they're very
19:04different it's not like an identity thing yeah it's clearly just like a sexual fetish
19:15so in that way it's more honest yeah he's living he's living his truth but
19:23yeah people have to say yeah that like republicans are homophobic because they're all secretly
19:28gay but as you pointed out yeah this is not something else he's not even
19:35a gun auto guy no you know he's no he's not he's like a secret
19:39third thing you don't lindy man you don't see that much anymore i know i
19:43know we don't really have we have you know they're going extinct like lesbians it's
19:48true and yeah people really conflate like trans people with drag queens now and this
19:56isn't even that uh -huh it's unique yeah he seems and i support him like
20:06a pretty masculine man otherwise i support him too i stand with brian gnome even
20:22eli who's usually like pretty unironic and conservative was like yo this guy rules it's
20:27funny i have his back like all the photos of it like the expression on
20:33his face in his weird like suburban home yeah dead -eyed big huge tits the
20:41stupid meme that's like a photo of him with the tits taking a mirror selfie
20:47and there's like a golden retriever in the back and it's not even the fucking
20:50dog that she shot but everybody's like the dog had to go because he knew
20:54too much it's really got it all god bless these people for giving us like
21:01a reprieve from the discourse moment of comic relief i mean that's really all i
21:07got yeah i mean i guess they have this like love triangle with who's and
21:13who's cory lewandowski i think i recall that he's um trump's former disgraced campaign manager
21:23i want to say and he's just in the mix yeah and she got fired
21:28because she's been like misappropriating funds who knows and causing scandal and why did pam
21:36bondy get fired um i haven't really looked into that either hate to say like
21:42i said i'm really not monitoring the situation much these days you're watching the ai
21:47fruit videos though i'll get those what's your do you go on reels never never
21:57never and you're not on tiktok and i'm not on tiktok and i still watch
22:00videos with the sound off so i don't really know what's going on so you
22:04don't do like the dooms the true doom scroll no i'm too sensitive for that
22:12you're protecting yourself from the slaw well i do i have seen those fruit videos
22:19around like on instagram and twitter after they've been like clipped right for like reaction
22:28and it reminded me of this earlier phenom from maybe two or three years ago
22:35that you saw a lot on social media which were like these links to games
22:42that you can play that featured humanoid cartoons locked in harrowing like cheating and family
22:52scenarios where it was like um a girl wearing yoga pants farting and you could
22:59see like the scent cloud or like a girl who was trying to steal a
23:06guy from his girlfriend and you like pushed a button or pulled a lever and
23:12it was like a casino slot game yeah um and you would like click on
23:17razor well you didn't click on anything it was just demonstrated for you yeah and
23:23um you know you would gamble essentially to give her like a makeover or a
23:30glow up but she would just like get hairy legs and have her head shaved
23:33i know what you're talking about yeah and i remember at the time being like
23:37what like ew what is this like a new low and like online degeneracy it's
23:45gotten worse but a lot of similar motifs yeah farting is a lot of scatological
23:50stuff infidelity cuckoldry are all big themes originally it was cats it was like uh
23:59anthropomorphic cats playing out these dramas that was like the first iteration that i saw
24:06on instagram and then the fruits just really caught on uh -huh because i guess
24:12you can just generate those yeah and they like tap into people's like primal emotions
24:19and people people jack off to them yeah indian people probably yeah like they were
24:24jacking off to like um the sexy white stock you you you fucking green m
24:29&m exactly yeah like she walked so the fruits could run and some of those
24:34fruits yeah they have like nice fat tits and stuff this is like the time
24:41that i fell for um the ais of like down syndrome honeys working out at
24:48the gym i remember that yeah i mean everyone knows the fruits are the fruits
24:54are fake what wait what but they are there's uh it does like they it
25:05is hard to look away yeah i went from being jealous of um fake down
25:10syndrome chicks and yoga pants to being jealous of like fake fruit chicks with big
25:18brian gnome titties strawberry thinking of converting to islam yeah i read those articles that
25:33you sent me about oh the like explainers because i kind of figured you weren't
25:38really watching them yeah i guess the new york times and intelligence are both reported
25:44on this deter disturbing new trend of like um ai veg slop it's a raunchy
25:49nonsensical genre of tiktok soaps starting starring anthropomorphic pixar inspired fruits and vegetables and they're
25:57like cheating on each other and giving birth to like interspecies spawn and other more
26:04emotionally harrowing scenarios like family separation there's a lot of domestic abuse there's like a
26:11secondary kind of like slop economy of being like we got to talk about why
26:16the fruit videos are problematic yeah and they play on racial tropes yeah but because
26:23the fruits are stand -ins for minorities yeah and an average day in their life
26:27yeah or like the whole the thing of having a baby and it's different yeah
26:32visibly um there's the homophobic clementine that kicks his gay clementine son out of the
26:38house when he catches him experimenting with a strawberry 1 .8 million views on instagram
26:43there's the pregnant broccoli that dumps her broccoli child in the trash only to facetime
26:47him years later begging for forgiveness 2 .1 million views there's a strawberry that sings
26:53a lullaby to her terrified children as they are immolated in a blender to make
26:57a milkshake 100 000 views the terrified spaghetti mother and her two daughters submerged in
27:03a pot of boiling water oh yeah one of those articles was more about the
27:07videos of like food getting cooked and crying and stuff and those i've seen but
27:12i don't find those compelling they're like a nexus of gore and porn there is
27:19something definitely pornographic about the whole genre but so far there's like a distance because
27:25they're like cartoons not deep fakes i mean soon enough and they're like glitchy but
27:35highly addictive the one of the articles was basically yeah like talking about the content
27:41itself and then the other article was talking about like the origins which is more
27:47interesting yes yeah because they it all seems to be coming from india yeah it
27:53it says it's the trend stems from a single program object talk a customized version
27:59of chat gpt object talk appears to be the brainchild of ai centuries .com which
28:06advertises itself as a company founded by two brothers with the mission to equip the
28:10next generation of ai creators they didn't respond to multiple requests for comment the website
28:15teaches creators how to make ai slop featuring custom prompts not only are tons of
28:20people watching cartoon fruit and vegetable drama but tons of other people are making it
28:25eking profits out of the dissemination of the specific kind of ai slop and upping
28:30the ante with wilder and wilder plot lines to further their reach so i guess
28:38there's like a whole consumer content creation economy yeah i assume that they were like
28:44coming from like a single source no it's they're they're proliferating and i guess originally
28:51they were somewhat educational and they were like teaching viewers how to remove a wine
28:55stain or like do a skincare tutorial never never seen those in my life yeah
29:00i'm looking i'm looking and then they like morphed into these more absurdist plot lines
29:07that like activate and exploit people's like primitive emotional centers yeah here's one this is
29:13a hot dog yelling at a girl i'll divorce you don't say that it's a
29:18pregnant apple getting yelled at by a hot dog it's really it's so hard it's
29:27so hard to look away and they're so abusive and yeah this i mean it's
29:37crazy we're cooked it's over i know i know this is all sam altman's fault
29:43it is yeah that's that's that's the real existential threat of ai um yeah the
29:51the intelligence or article talks about how the talking food videos indicate that ai isn't
29:56just getting better at messing with our heads it's going to get better at messing
29:59with our hearts as well i mean that's bullshit if we're primed to react to
30:03even a sad chicken nugget video what does that mean for how we react to
30:07ai generated content that actually looks realistic there's horrible and real violence in the news
30:14wars natural disasters devastating family separation and then there's this whole other world of fake
30:18terror encroaching on our algorithms and the fake world is even more fine -tuned to
30:23our political leanings emotional triggers and soft spots as the technology develops it seems inevitable
30:28that each person's consumption will skew more toward computer -generated slop that taps into their
30:33deepest capacities for emotions without actually earning it i mean that's just that's a bit
30:40of a reach honestly i don't think you people are experiencing real like catharsis i
30:46mean they're feeling some kind of emotional release or titillation otherwise they wouldn't be watching
30:54them it's there's some like there's compact it's like repetitiveness and then the slight variations
31:00like any genre like that's why but you do you are you know i watch
31:04these videos and i'm like this is my life like like you know like my
31:11life is like slipping away yeah and i'm this is what i'm oh i thought
31:15you meant like this is your life in terms of like oh the stuff that's
31:20happening yeah because i'm pregnant and riley's pitting me one custody battle after another no
31:27i just mean like act like this is it yeah i know and what do
31:33i you know i wish i could empower myself to not partake yeah no it's
31:40like hard to look away but you know ideally it'd be better if i had
31:43a drug we did drugs true like we should go back to that we should
31:47go back to like shooting up yeah and nodding off yeah that'd be like more
31:51productive doing piles of coke the good old days um yeah ideally this could be
31:58something that could work as a tool for like deprogramming yourself of insidious propaganda and
32:06brain rot because you understand how these things like exploit your emotions but like that's
32:12not going to happen because people want to be like emotionally persuaded and manipulated all
32:19the risk and threat of the fruit slop that's described in these articles is already
32:24here because again people buy existing real seeming propaganda hook line and sinker myself included
32:34like we're all suggestible and easily propagandized yeah we're we're we're trapped like you see
32:42what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear which is
32:44like why again i've become like such a skeptic which isn't good but you got
32:51to get out you know it's like unhealthy to live in that state and not
32:54believe in anything well you got to touch grass yep you know that's why you
32:59got to get out there and like see what's real yeah i mean like i
33:03i was thinking about this like when everybody was sharing that story about um how
33:09um a new bullet analysis clears tyler robinson of killing charlie kirk because it shows
33:15that the bullet couldn't have been fired from the rifle when it turns out that
33:20the bullet had been so fragmented as to be inconclusive but the headline made it
33:25seem like tyler robinson was in fact exonerated of the death of charlie kirk you
33:32know and it's like you know people really do like fall for things that confirm
33:37their version of events their like psychological predispositions and proclivities is so true yeah um
33:50they also talk about how people like it because it's a form of escapism that
33:54helps them forget about quote what's going on in the world i think that's why
33:58we watch them because it's like it's either that or you're going to bed feeling
34:01like the world is literally going to be on fire tomorrow said carolyn deary a
34:0529 year old content creator in la kevin kenneth ray yarborough the second a 28
34:10year old houston resident who works in housekeeping at a nursing home echoed her sentiment
34:16every time i open up tiktok it's an escape and now that i have this
34:19ai fruit it's something to entertain me for a few hours to just kind of
34:22get my mind off of what's going on in the world for a few hours
34:26i mean what's going on in the world that's such a damning it's like you
34:32have nothing going on is the problem i mean none of us do that's that's
34:37the problem yeah people like you know people keep talking about permanent underclass yeah like
34:43why do you feel so oppressed by uh vague cataclysmic events that are happening in
34:49the world it says that you want to escape into a tiny screen it does
34:55take a psychic toll yeah but like and there's nothing else you can do because
35:01you're poor yeah and it's like the fruits are a proxy of a proxy like
35:07the fruits are a proxy for um world events but the world events are a
35:12proxy for some kind of like lack of meaning or purpose in your life right
35:18i mean it's sad yeah it's like that i think i quoted this guy on
35:26the last episode but it's like what nick carter said the bitcoin guy not the
35:31black celeb his name is also nick carter right yeah um that like people who
35:38are either warning about or celebrating the arrival of ubi don't realize that ubi is
35:45effectively already here and you're being like subsidized if not paid to just post to
35:53die yeah we're getting ubi but it's ai slop videos instead of money but we
36:01can all have some yeah and we can make some and we can watch some
36:08and it's like you know you could read a book or you could go outside
36:13or you could like pick up a new hobby or learn a new discipline but
36:18like nowadays i think just like merely the idea of that existing takes the place
36:25of going through it of what existing just like the conceit like you're like oh
36:31i could do this yeah i could do this one thing that might like pull
36:35me out of the morass but you won't and yeah and some people are obviously
36:42like um better at it than others i'm not particularly good at that i have
36:48my mom i have moments yeah you'd like yeah of course we all have like
36:53moments of like clarity and inspiration inspiration inspiration inspiration But the slop's just undeniable.
37:00But it's having a deleterious effect.
37:05I'm a slave. Yeah, I don't think the AI produce slop is here to stay.
37:14I think it'll probably be replaced by a worse, even more grotesque thing.
37:18Something that new, yeah. But yeah, the idea that they have that like fall or
37:27like being addicted to a like cartoon AI slop is a slippery slope because it
37:33will lead you to become addicted to propaganda AI slop is fake because people are
37:40already addicted to propaganda AI slop.
37:44Yeah. Like the cartoons are kind of like an afterthought.
37:48But they exist like side by side.
37:51They're lighter fare. That's why they're like, you know, you can get anxious or you
38:00can dissociate. Those are like the modes that are available for a contemporary person is
38:09like debilitating anxiety or just like totally like being brain dead.
38:19Except, yeah, except with some of these tech whizzes who are optimizing every aspect of
38:25their life. I've accepted the enlightened path of being totally brain dead and no longer
38:31monitoring the situation. The Iran war has personally been a pretty good thing for me
38:35because it's disabused me of my naive idealistic notion that you can reason with anyone.
38:39And so I'm just like free to live my life.
38:42Yeah. It's been bad for me.
38:46Not to be good about me, but, you know.
38:53I just, I hate, you know, I really, I hate war.
38:57And I'm willing to take that brave stance.
39:02But, you know, I was upset when the Ukraine conflict started and that's ongoing.
39:08And now another one that feels just really, it's, and the religious aspect of it
39:18is, makes it more distressing.
39:22What do you mean? Like the holy war.
39:25Like you mean against Islamic civilization or?
39:28Yeah, the civilizational destruction, like the people are out there like killing and dying for
39:37their religious beliefs. Yeah. Makes it feel much more like apocalyptic.
39:46Yeah, but I would bet that a large portion of at least urbanite Iranians are
39:56the equivalent of like cafeteria Catholics.
39:59Sure. And that they're not really like Islamoid zealots.
40:04But try as Laura Loomer may to convince us of that fact.
40:09But the rhetoric around the war, which is as real as anything, you know.
40:14Yeah, but even if you like surmise that Iranian civilization is more or less, yeah,
40:21like still faith -based and unironic, which I don't even think is true.
40:25Because like, for instance, you have this like statistic that even there, like TFR is
40:32plummeting. Even in an Islamic theocratic society, like the United States is so beyond secular
40:41at this point. The U .S.
40:44says, yeah, and Israel in its own way too, but they, again, we're in the
40:49war because Israel thinks that, I mean, because there's a theological threat to Israel.
41:00Yeah, well, it's like an existential threat that they like to politely portray as a
41:08theological threat. The Israelis not so much, but maybe the Jews.
41:12But that is the, you know, if you believe that is what it's about.
41:18Yeah, well, it's, yeah, it's about like securing the destiny of the chosen people or
41:24whatever. Yeah, but the, the United States is like, obviously like, like the Holy War
41:31is like a weird undead reanimated corpse of an actual Holy War because it's like
41:36totally unholy. It's definitely unholy.
41:39Yeah, and like blasphemous. It's unjust.
41:42And the Catholic Church condemns it, J .D.
41:45Vance. Mm -hmm. Um... Damn, we've reached a fork in the road because we could
41:58segue into the Catholic Revival or we can segue into Sam Altman.
42:06I mean, the Catholic Revival, again, I was like, really?
42:11We're having one like every two to three years.
42:13All the time, but the last one was kind of fake.
42:15Yeah, I mean, they're all fake.
42:17When they were talking about the Dime Square Catholics, they kind of, that was just
42:22me. Yeah, I know, it's your fault you started this, yeah.
42:24That was me and Honor Levy and no one was really being Catholic.
42:28And there wasn't like, there wasn't a Catholic Revival.
42:33But now apparently there like might be one of brewing.
42:37Well, J .D. Vance has a new memoir coming out called Communion about his journey
42:41to conversion. And Usha Vance, his wife, has a new podcast coming out.
42:47Where she reads? About promoting reading and literacy among children.
42:52Mm -hmm. Um, but yeah, I guess conversions were up this Easter, like 38%.
43:02Yeah, and attendance was up 20%.
43:05Yeah, and the, I think it was in the Washington Post.
43:09Yeah, and then some other.
43:11Yeah, and then some other.
43:11outlet i've never heard of called the washington times they also wrote like dual articles
43:18um they're all kind of reiterating the same yeah i mean yeah as you mentioned
43:23like every couple of years there's like rumors of a catholic revival that's like for
43:28real this time and it's led by young people and it mostly amounts to like
43:32a revival of the media discourse around the catholic revival there was that ev mag
43:39article which i didn't read because that shit's paywall yeah um about how it's like
43:45the hottest club in new york right now the picture they ran was like some
43:49influencer whore with like a really big cross and the washington post article describes basically
43:56like an influencer economy yeah that's bolstered church attendance yeah because people make like get
44:05ready with me videos yeah hot girls for catholicism yeah and it's i mean it
44:13sounds nice it does yeah i'm all ready i'm all yeah the interesting part about
44:18it is that both of them report that there is indeed this resurgence but it's
44:24in young men especially it's being led driven by young men which would seem unusual
44:30because you'd expect it to be coming from women who are more active and visible
44:35on social media and who probably you know to be charitable want a husband yeah
44:44and these guys have also figured out that if there are women there they can
44:50get a girlfriend or a wife you know nice so mostly these people claim that
44:57they want a community outside of social media and quote whack political stuff one zoomer
45:01says i'm not a political influencer at all i wouldn't even say i'm a catholic
45:05influencer catholicism in my faith is just one part of my personal brand um and
45:11it turns out he's a content creator yeah uh yeah so they're reporting a 20
45:17rise in attendance 38 rise 38 rise in conversion but i want to know what
45:23like the turnover and retention rates are well there's a study that's cited in one
45:29of these articles from the pew research center that found for every young person coming
45:33into the catholic church around 12 young people leave yeah so numbers are up but
45:39it seems like yeah it's kind like our patreon and it says attendees offered a
45:46variety of other explanations church was a much needed irl third space for the terminally
45:52online it afforded meaningful connection and the potential to turn those connections into serious relationships
45:57in an ugly and inauthentic world catholicism offered beauty and tradition a few people credited
46:03conservative conservative activist charlie kirk's death as a catalyst kirk was not catholic but some
46:08associates of it had said that he was exploring catholicism blah blah um and then
46:12the pastor at saint joe's where i guess they have heard about this the 6
46:16p .m mass at saint joe's has become a real hot spot um and the
46:23reverend there the pastor estimated that attendance had increased by 20 in the past six
46:28months the number of people receiving their first sacraments at easter remained steady between 13
46:34and 16 annually in 2025 35 people received sacraments this year the church is expecting
46:4188 a year and a half ago if 60 people stayed for the church's wine
46:45social after a sunday evening service it was a good night these days they average
46:49about 200 people okay so for every one person they gain they lose 12 people
46:55but that number is also offset by the fact that increased hispanic immigration to the
47:03united states is largely catholic but nobody really cares about them or counts them but
47:09they're not con they're not converting yeah and that's those numbers are kind of i
47:13think about the church broadly yeah whereas like i think in specific parishes that have
47:19become popular they are seeing more growth yeah that are like hot spots for young
47:24people yeah who are content creators who are content creators and like trying to meet
47:29people um a lot of them say that they prefer the traditional aesthetics of the
47:34catholic church the big box aesthetics of the bible bell um also catholic young adult
47:39groups are one of the few places where many young people can question socially liberal
47:43positions without fear of being marginalized or ostracized that's true um the theo bros like
47:50the rules and order -based nature of the church more than the service and community
47:54aspect gen z men face the time of choosing it's either porn drugs gambling and
47:59debt or truth beauty discipline and meeting a pretty girl at mass why not both
48:03you know you're doing both well that's the nice part about it is you kind
48:08of can yeah um yeah and they i think the men the men is kind
48:21of overblown i think at least in the catholic church it's definitely both because it
48:28has become kind of like a social event and while i think it's broadly positive
48:36my cynic i do have my cynical read is that it is a bit of
48:40a recession recession indicator uh -huh because going to church is for free yeah and
48:49people used to meet uh people at work or at a club uh -huh but
48:56now no one has a job and can't afford to go anywhere so makes sense
49:02that you know yeah and this like really kills two birds with one stone because
49:08you can get out there and meet people and then you can also make content
49:11out of it and possibly meet more people who slide into your dms and make
49:17money and that's also kind of like the cynical undercurrent yeah yeah it's like it's
49:24prof and then you can get out there and get out there and get out
49:25there and get out there and get out there and get out there and get
49:25out there and get out there and get out there and get out there and
49:25get out there and get out there and get out there and get out there
49:25and get out there and get out there and get out there and get out
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49:25out there and get out there and get out there and get out there and
49:25get out there and get out there and get out there and get out there
49:25and get out there and get out there and get out there and get out
49:25there and get out there and get out there and get out there and get
49:25out there and get out there and get out there and get out there and
49:25get out there and get out there and get out there and get out there
49:25and get out there and get out there and get out there and get out
49:25there and get out there and get out there and get out there and get
49:25out there and get out there and get out there and get There's, like, profit
49:26to be made and not, like, for the church, but for, like, whiskey entrepreneurs or
49:34people who make, like, Catholic apps.
49:37That's my jam, yeah. We need a Catholic AI.
49:45There is. There it is.
49:47Candace Owens advertises it on her show.
49:50It's called, like, Magisterium or something.
49:53They have that. Confession AI.
49:58You can't get absolution from that.
50:02Confession companion. Well, the AI is too sycophantic.
50:07It won't tell you you did anything wrong.
50:09Yeah. You're like, uh, I jerked off to the fantasy of raping and beheading this
50:18girl who's a fellow content creator on TikTok.
50:23You are so valid for that.
50:25A thousand Hail Marys. I mean, my, yeah, my church should have, like, the people
50:36that doesn't seem like it's growing that much, to be honest.
50:42Uh -huh. This really is your impact.
50:45Uh -huh. J .D. Vance can eat his heart out.
50:48Well, J .D. Vance is such a Lindy West.
50:53I'm sorry. Like, because he's fat.
50:56And wrote two memoirs. Two memoirs is crazy.
51:00And, like, you know, as Elena Sagely noted, obviously, his memoir, his wife's podcast, are
51:06a kind of normal, strategic attempt to campaign in 2028.
51:13Yeah. Like, they're trying to make themselves more, like, visible and appealing and so on
51:19and so forth. And, like, you know, you can't really blame or fault them for
51:22that, sure. But, like, it is great.
51:27Like, I'm such a hater.
51:29Yeah. I need to stop being such a hater.
51:32Because people are always like, oh, you're, like, constantly, like, dick -riding J .D.
51:36Vance. And, like, I'm really not.
51:37I really hate the, um, his thing of, like, writing memoirs.
51:42I mean, and they're all named after Bell Hook's book.
51:46Did you see that? No.
51:48Her, she had a book called Appalachian Elegy.
51:52Yeah. And also had a book called Communion.
51:54Uh -huh. Yeah. Wait, I actually did see that, and I thought it was, I
52:00thought they were just, like, mocking him.
52:01No, no, that's true. He should, you know, since he likes name changes so much,
52:04he should start lowercasing his name.
52:06That could be cool. That would be dope.
52:07Poetic. Yeah. Um. But, yeah, like, again, I do think it's broadly, you know, I
52:16think it's good that people return, are returning to some semblance of, like, a religious
52:24bedrock in their lives. Uh -huh.
52:25Even if the majority of them don't stay, it's, you know, the Holy Spirit will
52:32be working in the lives of these people for whatever reason.
52:35Uh -huh. But I really just don't, you know, I don't relate to, like, the
52:42Catholic influencer. Uh -huh. Wait, say more on the arc.
52:47Mm -hmm. Like, when I reverted, you know, everyone's kind of like, oh, I saw
52:56a TikTok about how there were chicks at the church or, like, how to style
53:04a veil. Mm -hmm. You know, I heard a Daniel Johnston song at the APC
53:18surplus store in Paris. You know, like, it doesn't seem like anyone's making really, like,
53:23mystical, like, connections that are drawing them to the faith the way that they used
53:28to. But you think that this is a net positive because it's part of, like,
53:32God's plan. Yeah. And even if these people are suffering from, like, false consciousness and
53:37are misguided and don't know what they're doing and maybe believe that they believe but
53:42are inauthentic. Even if you're going to church just to meet someone, it's good that
53:48you're going to church. Because you believe in the power of prayer.
53:52Yeah. Okay. And, yeah, and that God, you know, finds vessels to evangelize in new
54:08ways. Yeah, I guess my biggest, like, doubt or concern is that I don't know
54:17if it's possible to have true faith as a modern, secular person in this day
54:26and age, which is, like, sad and damning.
54:30And I try to have it myself and, like, pray all the time.
54:34Well, because, like, we are all so, like, irony -pilled.
54:42I think young people are less, are more earnest.
54:46Yeah, probably, like, by dint of their youth.
54:48That's true. Mm. And I think faith is possible.
54:56Yeah, but I guess I agree.
54:58I would actually agree with you.
55:00I think it is possible, but it has to be much more self -directed than
55:04it was in the past.
55:05Well, I think church attendance is actually important.
55:09Mm -hmm. Because, like, self -directed prayer can lead you astray.
55:15Yeah, and, no, I agree with you.
55:17Like, you should go to church and involve yourself in the community and so on
55:22and so forth. But, I mean, the decision to even return to church or, like,
55:28go to church in the first place has to be, like, entirely self -directed.
55:33Yeah. And, like, you know, as I get older, I find it harder and harder
55:38to judge young people. I mean, I see it harder and harder to judge young
55:40people. still judge them but in like a benign and maternal way versus in like
55:47an edgy and competitive way right where i'm like okay these people are like youthful
55:54and retarded but they're like on the right track and they mean well i do
56:00think they mean well they're trying yeah and they do need you know i mean
56:05even if you boil it down to like the very basic primitive impulse of like
56:10finding a bf or a gf i mean that's been kind of the function of
56:16the church historically yeah it was just more like integrated into people's lives and it
56:21wasn't so like deliberate yeah it just was you know if you lived in a
56:25in a village the church was like a natural way in which your like social
56:33life was structured and that's where people paired off and that's where you know you
56:37met people who had the same values that you espouse and it gives you like
56:46a common ground that is will build like a healthier relationship than like meeting a
56:51stranger off an app or something yeah but i even i even question like what
56:58those values are like on on the surface level they're like decent wholesome values like
57:05you want to meet someone get married have children but ultimately and you know this
57:13is neither here nor there it's not a good thing or a bad thing but
57:15values are just like a justification of primitive impulses like you want to procreate pass
57:21down your dna that sort of and i saw some i don't know how true
57:27this is but i i saw people on twitter like right before you got here
57:31we're talking about how like the white birth rate is up for the first time
57:34ever oh yeah in america which i didn't expect but could that be in part
57:40due to a renewed interest in religion i don't know maybe bap was wrong um
57:50i don't know but i think like well when you talk like i mean really
57:58being catholic is hard like the window like the night the kind of like the
58:05wholesome uh social value of it is real and that's obviously like what draws people
58:13to it but i think people who engage with the faith in a sincere way
58:19like that's you know you're not asked to like get a girlfriend you're asked to
58:25like literally like take up a cross and it's not like it's not all like
58:32peace and love yeah i mean just being religious entails duty and responsibility which i
58:39think people crave like ultimately this is a symptom of the fact that we live
58:44like already live in a super abundant society with an excess of like superficial options
58:54and choices that make everyone like totally neurotic and dysfunctional and the structure the structure
59:05of religious life is a good antidote to that yeah so like in that article
59:11there was this like faintly disapproving tone of because you know we're talking about young
59:17men mostly white men who are like supposedly returning to the faith and they're seeking
59:24order and authority meaning power patriarchy and they don't really care about the service or
59:32community based out whatever but like i i don't really care what reason they're doing
59:39it for and i'm sure a lot of those guys are getting involved at least
59:45even even like socially in a way that like exceeds aesthetics or power games or
59:52whatever for sure yeah yeah i mean there's probably easier ways to like gain power
1:00:05than becoming a catholic over your peers for sure yeah you just have to like
1:00:10um do do more drugs and skate better you have to give chlamydia to more
1:00:18hoes but that's what i mean by the kind of the recession it indicator yeah
1:00:25which is good which is also part of god's plan what the deprivation to draw
1:00:31them closer you know because when i think if the economy was doing better people
1:00:38probably won't be going to church they'd probably be starting businesses and yeah you know
1:00:44they'd be more preoccupied with like their material gains which is wrong spiritually yeah but
1:00:52materially real uh -huh you know uh -huh you know what i mean yeah but
1:00:59it's good yeah it's it's a good humble pastime in in tough times well it
1:01:11is good if they can make more friends and have more sex yeah wait till
1:01:16marriage but sure are they even waiting till marriage there's no way i don't think
1:01:23some yeah i feel like the 6 p .m st joe's mass is probably not
1:01:27like the most pious crowd but i think their hearts in the right place and
1:01:32who am i who do i i don't know what's in their heart i don't
1:01:34know what they're open to yeah i don't go i don't you know well should
1:01:44we talk about god the godless faggot yeah see he's not going to church there's
1:01:53nothing for him there He's making money.
1:01:56He's scamming. He's going to the church of faggotry, profit, deception.
1:02:01He's going to the bank.
1:02:07He's telling lies. He's Ronan Farrow.
1:02:11Ronan Farrow. Back at it again with a very tepid expose.
1:02:19I had such a ball reading this expose.
1:02:25For like half of it.
1:02:27And then it dragged on and got way too long.
1:02:29There was just kind of nothing.
1:02:31But it was so funny.
1:02:32So many like bangers. Tidbits.
1:02:37So yeah, there's this new expose in The New Yorker by Ronan Farrow.
1:02:40That's co -written with some guy called Andrew Marantz.
1:02:42Some faggot on faggot violence.
1:02:44We love to see it.
1:02:46Sam Altman may control our future.
1:02:48Can he be trusted? Well, no, he's gay and Jewish.
1:02:50Do you need an entire essay to see this?
1:02:57It's based on new interviews and leaked documents that shed light on the fact that
1:03:02Altman may be a gay sociopath.
1:03:05And it opens with this guy, Ilya Sutskaver, who's OpenAI's chief scientist.
1:03:10And he's sending top secret memos to the board expressing doubts about Sam Altman.
1:03:15He's no longer. His second in command.
1:03:18And Greg Brockman, his stated commitments versus his hidden motives.
1:03:23And then it goes to this other guy, Dario Amadei, who's another top AI researcher.
1:03:28Yeah, neither of them are still at the company.
1:03:30Because they ousted Sam Altman briefly.
1:03:32Yeah, and he kept obsessive notes on Altman and Brockman's behavior for years.
1:03:36And the so -called Ilya memos and Daria notes form the backbone of the New
1:03:42Yorker investigation. Though, as the authors admit, neither collection of documents contains a smoking gun.
1:03:48Rather, they recount an accumulation of alleged deceptions and manipulations, each of which might, in
1:03:54isolation, be greeted with a shrug.
1:03:56This sounds like an Anacotion tweet.
1:03:58It's word salad. That's a crazy thing to say about your exposé.
1:04:02We have no evidence. And we have, we've got a bunch of anecdotes that don't
1:04:09seem important. And we have, we have no, we have no, like, goal or objective
1:04:16other than to smear this guy who, like, one look at his physiognomy tells you
1:04:22everything that you need to know.
1:04:23It is really, like, Perez Hilton or just Jared Teer gossip blogging, which makes sense
1:04:30because Ronan Farrow came of age in that era.
1:04:34Mm -hmm. And it's, like, dressed up for, like, the sophisticated, enlightened, urban audience that
1:04:41likes to think that it's above this sort of thing.
1:04:44Right. That's, like, concerned about, like, existential questions about AI and, ooh.
1:04:53Yeah, like, moral fag window dressing.
1:04:56And it did, like, you know, I said this on Twitter already, but, like, you
1:04:59know, you read this against, like, Matt Taibbi's Twitter files or Nicholas Wade's investigation of,
1:05:07like, gain -of -function research.
1:05:09Mm -hmm. And the lab leak hypothesis surrounding COVID, and it's so, like, scant, skimpy,
1:05:17flimsy. Really kind of nothing.
1:05:21There's, like, toward the end, there's even a part where they admit to spending months
1:05:25looking into allegations that Altman raped minors and hired prostitutes.
1:05:30So they're, like, really reaching now, but then they still come up empty -handed.
1:05:34I personally wouldn't put it past Sam Altman to do those things, but Ronan Farrow
1:05:41can't really get him on that because he's probably guilty of the same weird gay
1:05:46sex shit that they're all doing.
1:05:48He's a gay guy in San Francisco.
1:05:51It's, like, written in these, like, limp -wristed homosexual tones of, like, tabloid gossip, petty
1:05:58intrigue. I mean, they—honestly, Ronan Farrow needs the expose on why he's pretending to be
1:06:06Frank Sinatra's son. Why he's wearing blue eye contact.
1:06:09Yep. Leg lengthening surgery, blue contacts.
1:06:13He's Woody Allen's son. I'm starting to come around to that hypothesis.
1:06:18A hundred—I have no doubt.
1:06:21He's not Frank Sinatra's son.
1:06:23He's pretending to be. Uh -huh.
1:06:25And that's why he started the—I've said this, but he started the Me Too movement
1:06:29as an Oedipal quest to destroy his real father, Woody Allen.
1:06:35Uh -huh. By, like, spearheading this, like, campaign against, like, abusive men.
1:06:41And that's why he, like, psychologically has to, like, pretend—he knows Woody Allen's his dad.
1:06:47Yeah. But he's pretending he's got those baby blues.
1:06:51Uh -huh. That's crazy. He had the leg lengthening surgery.
1:06:55There's your smoking gun. That's way more—that's way more interesting than anything Sam Altman did.
1:07:01So, apparently, this guy Sutzkever was terrified at the behest of other board members.
1:07:08He had been working with like -minded colleagues to compile some 70 pages of Slack
1:07:13messages and HR documents accompanied by explanatory text.
1:07:17Just all of this to demonstrate that Sam Altman was a people pleaser and a
1:07:22pathological liar. So, like, a typical gay guy.
1:07:26Not even a pathological liar, honestly.
1:07:29It's really funny to, like, picture these two dudes, like, compiling their notes and memos
1:07:35to betray their boss. Um, and he was—Sam Altman, to make a long story short,
1:07:41TLDR was basically playing people off of each other and telling them what they want
1:07:46to hear. Which is, like, again, like, uh, consistent with gay guy behavior and consistent
1:07:51with, um, startup founder behavior, of course.
1:07:54Founder's—it's called founder mode. Yeah.
1:07:57It's called going zero to one.
1:07:59They— And he met his husband in Peter Thiel's hot tub.
1:08:02Zero to come. Yeah! They quote—they quote, um, the belated Aaron Schwartz, who really is
1:08:09like— the charlie kirk of tech and that like everybody has like a hadith about
1:08:13how he said this or that and apparently he once called altman a sociopath who
1:08:19could not be trusted they quote a senior executive at microsoft who says i think
1:08:24there's a small but real chance he's eventually remembered as a bernie madoff or sam
1:08:28bankman freed level scammer okay so there's a a real chance but it's it's small
1:08:39and what's the story we interviewed more than a hundred people with first -hand knowledge
1:08:46of how sam altman conducts business some have dismissed sets of or an amade as
1:08:51failed aspirants to the throne as gullible absent -minded scientists or as hysterical doomers the
1:08:57main takeaway is that altman is a guy who says and does things that quote
1:09:01make no sense in the real world because he's quote too caught up in self
1:09:05-belief and unconstrained by truth he has two traits that are almost never seen in
1:09:09the same person the first is a strong desire to please people to be liked
1:09:13in any given interaction the set the second is almost a sociopathic lack of concern
1:09:18for consequences that may come from deceiving someone again literally true morbid and gay guys
1:09:24and just very common features that coexist all the time in people like that in
1:09:30people pleasers that's the thing about people pleasers is that yeah they want to please
1:09:35people in the moment and have a utter reckless lack of regard for consequences and
1:09:43so they lie it's like a very class as an arc type of a person
1:09:50really it's just he's not even that special it's a kibbe type sinister homosexual it's
1:09:59um well yeah when they talk about yeah he had some company called looped oh
1:10:06yeah um and uh they they quote one of the investors i guess who says
1:10:13um there's a blurring between i think i can maybe accomplish this thing and i
1:10:20have already accomplished this thing that in its most toxic form leads to theranos elizabeth
1:10:24holmes fraudulent startup there's more of a story there she's got a story to tell
1:10:27and she should come on the show but that and then they reference this later
1:10:32but when in the first half of the article when they were describing his like
1:10:35kind of weird lies i thought i did think of the steve jobs like reality
1:10:41distortion field yeah which then they reference later yeah because that is kind of also
1:10:47like a classic tech thing is to like dream really big and you know set
1:10:52these unrealistic expectations and act like they're accomplishable because then you'll like be surprised at
1:10:58what people can do yeah you'll be surprised at all the gullible retards who choose
1:11:03to give you money because they have nothing else going on um so yeah he's
1:11:06like described as like power hungry and ethically questionable like take a number get in
1:11:12line and he's therefore like unfit to take on the momentous task of steering this
1:11:16company which is unlike any other company in history because it's developing something that might
1:11:20come to rival or even surpass human cognition by like sissy hip knowing everyone into
1:11:26watching horny tick tock veg slop as a result the firm has an unusual corporate
1:11:32structure and it's incorporated as a non -profit with 501c3 status which you know makes
1:11:37there's like an essential conflict of profit versus safety um that's more relevant to the
1:11:44public given its special status right off the bat um the authors and interview subjects
1:11:51are sort of colluding and sounding the alarm over the existential threat of this like
1:11:56extremely powerful potentially dangerous technology the quote heavy burden and unprecedented responsibility involved in a
1:12:03civilization altering product and like the built -in irony of course that anyone you know
1:12:09willing to take on the job is going to be a person you know who
1:12:13has a mind of their own plans of their own well this remember that old
1:12:18man who was yelling at me in austin about the effective altruist yes well that
1:12:23made me think of that yeah that's i was like that's exactly what that old
1:12:26man was yelling about and i was just kind of drunkenly arguing and didn't even
1:12:32really have a well yeah but like any of course anybody like that like their
1:12:37their um like hidden motives would conflict with like their like stated humanitarian ideals and
1:12:47values because they're they're you know political and profit making in nature it this reminded
1:12:54me of gain -of -function research where there were all these like scientists and clinicians
1:12:59who were aware of the risks involved and they were downplaying their involvement to minimize
1:13:06their own liability so that when it blew up in their faces and their like
1:13:11incestuous web of like lobbying and grants became known to the public they could then
1:13:18position themselves as like experts who were tasked with the cleanup you know both like
1:13:24literal and metaphorical and like i'm no fan of sam sam altman i can believe
1:13:30that he's up to no good but i i fail to see how this story
1:13:35does anything but like weak in any case that you could build against him there's
1:13:42really no as they admit themselves there's no smoking gun yeah like do you need
1:13:48a long read to tell you this also like why should we trust the motives
1:13:51of any of the people who were now conspiring against him exactly like i i
1:13:58really couldn't believe it but this investigation was like almost making me side with him
1:14:01oh that's the thing about this fuck these people he's a nietzschean and a faustian
1:14:07who has a vision for civilization that he wants to enact i mean damn he's
1:14:10got a job you know so he's got in his bag in the case of
1:14:15satskavar and amade who are like the two main sources he had courted them and
1:14:21poached them uh -huh and good Google had given Sutskover a $6 million a year
1:14:26counter offer because they knew that OpenAI was trying to get him.
1:14:33And he declined and he probably now has like buyer's remorse.
1:14:37OpenAI programmers were taking substantial pay cuts for like the privilege of feeling that they
1:14:44were changing the world by, quote, distributing mosquito nets to the poor.
1:14:50And it did remind me of like that drunken debate that we were having at
1:14:55dinner in Austin. Where like the question was like, oh, like do effective altruists really
1:15:01believe that they believe or are they just opportunists and cynics?
1:15:07Right. Who are like exaggerating the dangers of AI so they can like control it
1:15:13themselves. Yeah. And like, yeah, the resolution seemed to be that like all sides are
1:15:17basically vying for who gets to be the gatekeeper.
1:15:22Yeah. They're nominally against AI.
1:15:27And nominally promote its regulation, but not really.
1:15:31So Altman was removed by the board and his partners and investors were blindsided.
1:15:37Then he like decamps to this multimillion San Francisco mansion he owns where he and
1:15:42his team of like crisis advisors set up a war room and they work around
1:15:46the clock to portray his firing as like a coup or a mutiny by the
1:15:50effect of altruists. I remember when this happened because we discussed it.
1:15:54I know. I know. And we already called it open gay guy.
1:15:58Yeah. So we can't use that title again.
1:16:01Yeah. It made me really I was like, I wish I had a job.
1:16:09Like, it seems nice to like go to an office.
1:16:12And there's like intrigue and like slack chats and like, you don't know how good
1:16:18you have it. Who's on the board and like, you know, like, I'm like, how
1:16:21do you even get in the mix?
1:16:25Like, I have I have like no skills just by like being arrogant and delusional,
1:16:30which we're both good at doing.
1:16:31But like, wow, why not me?
1:16:33You know, I why can't I do anything?
1:16:36Because we're women. I can't do anything.
1:16:39Well, and at the time they like remember when they like replaced him with a
1:16:44provisional CEO and it was like this like hot for tech.
1:16:48No, I don't even remember that.
1:16:50The Albanian broad and then he sought to destroy her reputation and she ended up
1:16:55signing the letter demanding his reinstatement anyway.
1:17:00So it was like an employees versus the board situation.
1:17:04He was reinstated five days later.
1:17:08The rogue board members were forced to resign, but not before demanding a thorough investigation,
1:17:14which of course would prove difficult because the new board was staffed with loyalists and
1:17:19was never officially recorded or documented as they report.
1:17:25Yeah, and you know, it is really interesting how flimsy, how like skimpy the grounds
1:17:30are for this investigation. Like they say that they were expecting fraud or embezzlement or
1:17:35sexual harassment, but there was like nothing concrete.
1:17:37Well, my takeaway was like, yeah, he's opening eyes as a non -profit.
1:17:42Yeah. But he is profiting.
1:17:45Yes, that's essentially the... But isn't that like, doesn't everyone kind of already know that
1:17:50about non -profits? Yeah, that's sort of the deal.
1:17:55Yeah, the Democrats done had been doing this.
1:17:57Like I don't think anyone thinks like a non -profit, like no one has profit
1:18:01from a non -profit. Ronan Farrow is probably serving on the board of some non
1:18:07-profit that he's profiting off of one way or another.
1:18:10But yeah, it was just like vague allegations of like omission and deception and a
1:18:15lack of transparency. What was funny was how actually transparent he was in the interview
1:18:22he did with them where he talks about like knocking back Negronis and popping Ambien
1:18:27in a fugue state. Yeah, they're all like quoting Marvel movies and Mike Tyson because
1:18:32they're gay sex nerds who don't even have sex.
1:18:35I know. Well, he's a bottom, don't you think?
1:18:40Probably. I wouldn't be surprised because he's such a high -powered executive.
1:18:44Yeah. Someone describes him as having Jedi mind control.
1:18:48So ultimately what he's accused of is like, yeah, like double dealing, over -promising, you
1:18:53know, just a day in the life of your average tech startup.
1:18:57He was freezing out investors who work with competitors.
1:19:00Like, of course, why wouldn't you do that if you were in his position?
1:19:04He had financial entanglements of former romantic and sexual partners.
1:19:08Also, duh. That's like what's going on in San Francisco, you know?
1:19:13Or like in life in general, frankly.
1:19:15Yeah. Um, he, he was possibly pivoting from being a Democrat to a Trump supporter
1:19:21because it was like financially and socially expedient.
1:19:26Yeah. Well, the real, the thing was with the military tech.
1:19:30Yeah. Anthropic. Oh, yeah. That was an interesting, yeah.
1:19:34So he was taking money from the Gulf states and wanted to build microchip foundries,
1:19:41data centers, and other AI infrastructure on their soil, which is problematic because, you know,
1:19:46they, they were known for leaking to the Chinese.
1:19:49And they also depend on Chinese hardware, Huawei, and it's also the Middle East.
1:19:55So it's, you know, vulnerable to military strikes and general strife.
1:20:01And then, of course, Anthropic briefly ended up edging out OpenAI because that, so that
1:20:07company was started by Dario Amadei and his sister.
1:20:11Yeah. And they got the government contracts because they had less stringent safety policies in
1:20:19place. But then, like, they refused to play along with the Trump administration and Pete
1:20:25Hegseth blacklisted them. When I was trying to make conversation at the Fudo conference, my
1:20:31go -to was being like, sir, are you a Claude or an OpenAI guy?
1:20:37I'm like, so which... LLM, are you, are you into it?
1:20:43My eyes are glazing over.
1:20:47But someone there told me, yeah, that OpenAI is coming out on top.
1:20:51That Claude was briefly better, but they keep, you know, releasing new versions, whatever.
1:20:57Yeah. Still can't make one that cheats at Scrabble, though.
1:21:01So how good could it be?
1:21:02Well, yeah, and then they build.
1:21:04Maybe China will figure it out.
1:21:06But it's probably going to play Go.
1:21:08And it's just, yeah, it's crazy because it's like clearly none of the people who
1:21:15are like hating on him now would do any different if they were in his
1:21:20position. Of course not. These people stand for nothing.
1:21:24You know, there's this existential threat to the safety of humanity, but it's not AI
1:21:29reaching singularity as these people claim for their like marketing purposes.
1:21:35It's like that the AI bubble is going to burst, as Aaron Wolfe acknowledged on
1:21:43our doomed and ill -fated Fudo episode.
1:21:46It is like an overvalued and overhyped industry.
1:21:51Yeah. Here's a quote. Altman's rhetoric has helped sustain one of the fastest cash burns
1:21:56of any startup in history, relying on partners that have borrowed vast sums.
1:22:00The U .S. economy is increasingly dependent on a few highly leveraged AI companies, and
1:22:04many experts at times, including Altman, have warned that the industry is in a bubble.
1:22:08Open AI has since become one of the most valuable companies in the world.
1:22:13It is reportedly preparing for an initial public offering at a potential valuation of a
1:22:17trillion dollars. Altman is driving the construction of a staggering amount of AI infrastructure, some
1:22:22of it concentrated within foreign autocracies.
1:22:25Open AI is securing sweeping government contracts, setting standards for how AI is used in
1:22:30immigration enforcement, domestic surveillance, and autonomous weaponry in war zones.
1:22:35Okay, that would be a much more interesting investigation.
1:22:43Versus this blog post about how he's like guilty of...
1:22:49Making money? Like, what is it?
1:22:52Stacking too much paper? Yeah, like, lying and deceiving, which they all do.
1:22:59And Altman responded, this is bullshit.
1:23:01I can't change my personality.
1:23:03That's funny. Yeah, every kind of lie, they kind of catch him in.
1:23:07He says, like, I was kidding.
1:23:08Or, like, what are you talking about?
1:23:09Or, like... I don't remember that.
1:23:10I don't recall that. If everything is from there.
1:23:19If everything went right, the Open AI founders believed artificial intelligence could usher in a
1:23:24post -scarcity utopia, automating grunt work, curing cancer, and liberating people to enjoy lives of
1:23:29leisure and abundance. But if the technology went rogue or fell into the wrong hands,
1:23:33the devastation could be total.
1:23:35China could use it to build a novel bioweapon or a fleet of advanced drones.
1:23:39An AI model could outmaneuver its overseers, replicating itself on secret servers so that it
1:23:43couldn't be turned off. In extreme cases, it might seize control of the energy grid,
1:23:48the stock market, or the nuclear arsenal.
1:23:50Not everyone believed this, to say the least, but Altman repeatedly affirmed that he did.
1:23:53He wrote on his blog in 2015 that superhuman machine intelligence, quote, does not have
1:23:59to be inherently evil sci -fi version to kill us all.
1:24:01A more probable scenario is that it simply doesn't care about us either way, but
1:24:06in an effort to accomplish some other goal, wipes us out.
1:24:09And then later, when asked about the existential threat, he says that that's just not
1:24:15even a thing. He's very dismissive of it.
1:24:17Yeah, I mean, he's not wrong to take that line, honestly, because it's like, okay,
1:24:23I can't tell with that quote you read if these guys really believe that dichotomy
1:24:31between, like, a post -scarcity utopia and an annihilation event.
1:24:38Or if that's just, like, the consumer -friendly version they're giving to Ronan Farrow to,
1:24:45like, whip libs up into tizzy.
1:24:48But, like, the big problem is that their version of utopia is dystopia, and it's
1:24:55already here. Because the risk isn't that AI gains sentience, it's that it's already made
1:25:02everybody way less sentient. While they talk about human enfeeblement, that everyone's, like, outsourcing their,
1:25:09like, thoughts and thought processes to, I'll read that part.
1:25:18We increasingly rely on AI to help us write, think, and navigate the world, accelerating
1:25:22what experts call human enfeeblement.
1:25:24The ubiquity of AI slop makes life easier for scammers and harder for people who
1:25:27simply want to know what's real.
1:25:29AI agents are starting to act independently with little or no human supervision.
1:25:38I mean, that is true.
1:25:43But I think also everyone can, not everyone, but people can tell when something is
1:25:49AI -generated. Yeah, for the most part, yeah.
1:25:54But it is, I got, like, a year ago, I got an email from the
1:25:59Oxford Union, like, their debate club, inviting me to participate in something.
1:26:07But they didn't want to fly me out, so why would I do that?
1:26:12But it was, clearly, it was, like, from some Indian student just then.
1:26:17But, yeah, it was, like, your debate with Abby Shapiro, it, like, had all this,
1:26:20like, hallucinatory, it was, like, just clearly, I was, like, oh, they just used AI
1:26:24to, like, lazily. And didn't, like, fact check.
1:26:27Yeah, yeah, write this email.
1:26:29Yeah. And I think, like, that's certainly going to be more ubiquitous, but we just
1:26:36are going to have to be, like, vigilant against it.
1:26:42Yeah, like, is the real threat that, like, AI will gain sentience and become, like,
1:26:52a... a hostile enemy of humankind or the fact that like most people right now
1:26:57currently function like very basic llms who like aggregate like fake news well i read
1:27:07i read an article in the free press today actually about um how coders are
1:27:13kind of fucked not like you know whenever i'm saying you got to learn to
1:27:19code how all these guys who went to school to learn to code because they
1:27:23were like this is how you make money like most like you know mid most
1:27:30coders aren't gonna have jobs yeah i mean ain't nobody going to school to learn
1:27:34to code you either learn to code or you don't school is for something else
1:27:38but like also like being a coder is like being a writer like if the
1:27:42ai makes your job obsolete you probably weren't that good to begin with no offense
1:27:48hate to say it i mean it's true but it's the just the economic reality
1:27:53of these people not being able to yeah no that is very like um sad
1:27:57and unfortunate and yeah they were sort of made promises much like how you know
1:28:08when i was in when i was in school i thought a liberal arts degree
1:28:11was gonna get me gainful employment you know and that did not come to pass
1:28:16yeah and so then people were like okay well i'm not gonna be an idiot
1:28:18and study philosophy i'm gonna study computer science and now they can't get a job
1:28:22either yeah and eventually like no one will you know be able to kind of
1:28:27do anything yeah and i don't that's like priced into the calculus but i don't
1:28:33think there is there's not going to be a post -scarcity utopia where everyone's lives
1:28:39are easier because they can't work yeah in the in the affluent developed west we
1:28:46already basically live in a post -scarcity society my argument is that it's not actually
1:28:54utopian it's kind of dystopian i mean this this coder they was talking to the
1:28:59free press he is an he's a doordash driver now he can't get a job
1:29:04yeah he lives in a trailer he's fucked yeah he thought that was gonna be
1:29:11his ticket off the block is learning to code and now i mean obviously there
1:29:17still will be like coders yeah who will be like using ai but a lot
1:29:24of like the coding that was done before it's just that the technology is like
1:29:28advancing so quickly yeah which was sort of the only vaguely convincing concern that this
1:29:38article raises that there were supposed to be certain checks and balances on the leaps
1:29:46that the ai was taking and sam altman chose to disregard those in service of
1:29:52like profit and politics how can you someone's gonna do it like that that was
1:29:57basically what maybe i'm wrong maybe that's like cynical and wrong but it's like i
1:30:00don't i just don't i do think there should be some regulation i can't say
1:30:06like what that looks like but on the other hand i think like there is
1:30:12no stopping there's no stopping technology yeah it's going to advance regardless yeah once you
1:30:19like um break the seal so you have to just like but it's very hard
1:30:27to say like okay so yeah this conflict comes down to like people who prioritize
1:30:32like safety and regulation versus people who prioritize um you know product development and profit
1:30:40margins sure but who knows how serious the safety concerns are it's like going back
1:30:45to that austin effective altruism drunken dinnertime debate like are these concerns merely being used
1:30:54by people as justification for their own like power power grabs gatekeeping i yeah i
1:31:07i don't foresee and i'm extremely unqualified but i don't think there will be an
1:31:17abundant utopia nor will i think nor do i think there's going to be some
1:31:21like doomsday event where the like machines yeah put us in a cage or whatever
1:31:27and like sam altman actually to his credit seems pretty aware of this yeah in
1:31:34that he thinks that if when did when the dystopia comes it'll be like a
1:31:38slow slide versus like an apocalyptic event but who knows because he's like telling all
1:31:45these people different things and trying to like get ahead of his critics it just
1:31:50does seem so overblown yeah this is really hilarious so sudskover and the female board
1:31:57members became increasingly concerned about safety at one meeting they realized that um altman's claims
1:32:03that a safety panel that a safety panel had reviewed and approved a variety of
1:32:07features in a forthcoming chat gpt model were a lie and there was no safety
1:32:12panel at the same time there was a safety breach in india where microsoft had
1:32:18rolled out an early version but no one was informed okay so they were like
1:32:26okay so they were like freaking out about some like breach in india yeah which
1:32:32like indians are already like basically sentient ais there's just a lot of them yeah
1:32:38and they're all like scamming there's and content creating on social media they're making a
1:32:45lot of slop is definitely coming from a one country i also like really like
1:32:52doubt the claims that this guy was like some ultra charismatic ultra persuasive figure altman
1:33:02yeah which doesn't seem i just like having met a lot of These guys now,
1:33:08they're all such like gullible gay nerds who like when you when you give them
1:33:14like a prompt, you know, when you try to engage in normal conversation with them,
1:33:18they like come back with like nagging and annoying clarification.
1:33:24They behave like five year old children.
1:33:26They're like, how much do you think my head weighs?
1:33:33Yeah, I couldn't see myself being bewitched by Sam Altman.
1:33:40Honestly, I don't think who does your filler.
1:33:44Where did you get your nose job?
1:33:47Ronan and Sam probably go to the same plastic surgeon.
1:33:52Sam looks a little better.
1:33:55Honestly, you think Sam looks better than Ronan?
1:33:58I met Ronan at Chloe Sevigny's wedding and my publicist introduced us and said, she
1:34:06said, this is Dasha. She's a Republican.
1:34:08And he was like, ooh, really?
1:34:10And his face was, yeah, it was like really, it was so full of chemicals.
1:34:18Yeah, I guess I, I didn't see him there, but I did see him like
1:34:22a few, few months or years later at Essex Market of all places.
1:34:28And he is indeed 5 '10".
1:34:29I'll give him that. He's like 5 '10", because he has that leg lengthening surgery.
1:34:34Lengthen his legs. Yeah. He broke the bones to make his legs longer.
1:34:42What's, okay, what's Ronan Farrow's play in all of this?
1:34:45Why is he so concerned with Sam Altman?
1:34:49They probably got in a dispute over some twink.
1:34:52Yeah. Are they? If I know something about gay guys, they, and I, did you
1:34:56see Jeremy O 'Harris called Sam Altman a Nazi?
1:34:59I did, yeah. Um, and my theory about Jeremy O 'Harris also is that he's
1:35:06so, he's, because he, he's so mad at me.
1:35:09Uh -huh. But I really think that I'm like catching some stray, because he's really
1:35:13mad at like some gay guy who liked Red Scare.
1:35:16Smart, that's true, yeah. And I think, I think Ronan and Sam Altman's similar thing,
1:35:19there's like, you know, some twink came between them.
1:35:24And now it's war. Yeah, he wasn't, he wasn't invited to Peter Thiel's hot tub.
1:35:30That's where me and Anna.
1:35:30How are you going to hate from outside of Peter Thiel's hot tub when you
1:35:34can't even get in? That's where me and Anna met by the way.
1:35:37In Peter Thiel's hot tub?
1:35:38We should start telling people that.
1:35:40Well, we were both in Peter Thiel's hot tub.
1:35:44When we had the green idea.
1:35:46We were, we were the only women invited.
1:35:49Because, you know, Peter doesn't really like women.
1:35:52And we thought, you know, if we start our podcast, I bet we could go
1:35:55zero to one. Look, I still haven't even cracked that one.
1:36:02Damn. I've read that book.
1:36:04I should have. The two, two, the two books that I've read, zero to one
1:36:08and the Quran. Zero to Quran.
1:36:11I bet if I read that.
1:36:12That's a pretty deece podcast title.
1:36:14That's a good idea. I bet if I read that book, I'd be, I'd be
1:36:19going founder mode. Be more successful.
1:36:24Maybe I will. Watch out.
1:36:27They're just mad that they weren't the twink that was killed by Peter Thiel.
1:36:35Peter Thiel is like the Carl Andre of tech.
1:36:39How's that? You know, Anna Mendieta.
1:36:41Anna, excuse me. Anna Mendieta.
1:36:44I thought I got, I thought you meant Eric Andre.
1:36:47But Carl Andre, yeah, of course he killed his wife.
1:36:49No, that's Alex Karp because he's a mulatto.
1:36:52Right. Right, right. But yeah, Carl Andre did kill his wife.
1:37:00You think? Yeah. You think he did?
1:37:04I kind of come around and think he did.
1:37:06I'm like undecided because it could be that she was being so annoying that he
1:37:12pushed her out of the window.
1:37:14Or it could be that she just jumped.
1:37:17I mean, it seems so obvious because of the BPD and the way her work,
1:37:21you know, was about her dying and stuff.
1:37:23But it's like a little too tidy.
1:37:25And the way his work is so like sterile and like calculated, I feel like
1:37:33when you're a contemporary art star, they let you do it.
1:37:41I've come around. Mm -hmm.
1:37:46Critical support for Carl Andre Gruyper.
1:37:51Musk continues to excoriate Altman in public, calling him Scam Altman and Swindly Sam.
1:37:58When Altman complained on X about a Tesla he'd ordered, Musk replied, you stole a
1:38:02nonprofit. And yet in Washington, Altman seems to have outflanked him.
1:38:06Musk spent more than $250 million to help get Trump reelected and worked in the
1:38:11White House for months. Then Musk left Washington damaging his relationship with Trump in the
1:38:14process. And now Altman's in the mix.
1:38:18Yeah, he's, yeah. So, so Musk is mad because Altman basically took his place.
1:38:24It is funny how no one thinks he raped his sister.
1:38:27I know, I know. Somebody was like, so Ronan Farrow doesn't even believe that he
1:38:31raped his sister? And I think that is a real kind of like death knell
1:38:35on the Me Too era, actually, is that if even Ronan Farrow is like, doesn't
1:38:40believe your allegations of family incestual rape?
1:38:44Yeah, it's like, and then his sister was in some stuff, but kind of no
1:38:48one believes her. Uh -huh.
1:38:50And that's, you know, I, I don't.
1:38:55I wonder if she's fat.
1:38:57I think she is. And yeah, apparently it's like a memory she like recovered as
1:39:05an adult. Uh -huh. So it was like implanted by someone sinister.
1:39:08And every family where there's like a successful, high achieving man and an unsuccessful, unachieving
1:39:19woman. But guys, eye is skinny and the girl is fat janice soprano but they
1:39:26both have this is such a trope yeah true um but yeah it's because he's
1:39:31so gay it's like he's so gay it's like we were like why would he
1:39:33rape his sister i know and that's what turned him gay he tried to rape
1:39:40his sister and he was so disgusted by the female anatomy he was like i'm
1:39:45dipping out he born he born this way but he's just i mean yeah i
1:39:53don't think he's like up to anything great i don't think he's like a virtuous
1:39:57person or that like you know uh but i don't think he's a sociopath no
1:40:05garden variety narcissist yeah it's like sociopath is just like a term that people can
1:40:11lob against other people who they don't like who are more successful he just it's
1:40:16like jeremy o 'harris like the critical error that our haters make is thinking that
1:40:21we're more successful than we are i know and yeah and he called sam altman
1:40:26a nazi a vanity fair party which i guess because of the military's hat like
1:40:35it's a little lost on yeah i mean it's like a dirty job but someone's
1:40:39got to do it right oppenheimer had to make that bomb so the nazis didn't
1:40:47make it oh yeah sam altman was like uh really invested in having like a
1:40:52manhattan project for ai they're saying it's gonna be like a nuke it's gonna be
1:40:59like the new nuke and we have to but like what's the end game really
1:41:05i mean just charitably not to even take sam altman's side because like i said
1:41:10i'm like creeped out by him and find him to be untrustworthy and didn't need
1:41:14ronan farrow and his like uh the other guy to write a whole expose about
1:41:19this um charitably like you get into something again believing that you believe with you
1:41:28come in with all these like um naive ideals you want to change the world
1:41:34and like help people and then gradually like you're beset by haters who are deranged
1:41:44and hysterical and not to be reasoned with and you're like wait a minute fuck
1:41:50these people i'm just gonna like stack my chips and like do as i please
1:41:54mm -hmm and he hasn't done anything like i don't you know i guess maybe
1:42:03i didn't something's lost on me well yeah there is no smoking gun i wish
1:42:09there was i wish that they had bothered to like um it was like the
1:42:13brandy melville expose yeah i was like surely they're so true rape these teen girls
1:42:18or there's gonna be some kind of ring of like pedophilic activity and it was
1:42:22like oh there's some like racist group chats and the company's structured unusually or surely
1:42:29they were they were engaged in like um unethical business practices but not even that
1:42:34i mean i guess yeah i guess i don't know enough about like non -profit
1:42:40structures to parse like what the like all real wrongdoing was maybe a man someone
1:42:48could explain someone could explain it to me um there was an interesting um excerpt
1:42:55from greg brockman's diary where he says happy to not become rich on this so
1:42:59as long as no one else is in another he asks so what do i
1:43:04really want among his answers is financially what will take me to one billion what
1:43:10are these what are these boops keeping diaries for i don't know it's so well
1:43:15the other funny thing is like how all this is like um couched in like
1:43:20therapy speak like they're talking about like gaslighting by 2018 amaday had started questioning the
1:43:28founder's motives more openly everything was a rotating of set of schemes to raise money
1:43:34okay yeah welcome to tech and startups he wrote in his notes i felt like
1:43:39what open ai needed was a clear statement of what it could do what it
1:43:42would not do and how its existence would make the world better open ai already
1:43:47had a mission statement to ensure that artificial intelligence benefits all of humanity okay so
1:43:53they sell up their own ass honestly i know i know we don't care let's
1:43:58just roll the fruit slop like who fucking cares tell me how old a celebrity
1:44:05is that's all i'm every time i'm pulling up chat gbd every day to be
1:44:09like how old how old was winona writer in this movie how how old how
1:44:15old is this person how old is this person i know you go how old
1:44:19was sofia coppola when she had her first daughter like monica bellucci 40 years old
1:44:25when she had her first and 45 when she had her second okay aubrey plaza
1:44:30pregnant with her first child at 41 there you go with that guy from girls
1:44:36not even a year after her husband commits suicide oh that's okay aspirational role model
1:44:44i mean what are you gonna do god of course you have to a tragedy
1:44:51you know you gotta live your life i love when like some celebrity woman like
1:44:57moves on from oh it's horrible the way people attack her relationship because the guy
1:45:04divorced her or cheated on her or literally died by suicide and every like all
1:45:12the the manosphere guys are like oh she she moves so fast meanwhile guys like
1:45:17the wife's body isn't even cold and he out there like in the classifieds yeah
1:45:25no yeah when her husband died everyone was saying she like she cheated on him
1:45:28and i was like based on what like that's crazy that's so unfair that's what
1:45:34really is so selfish what like that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's
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1:45:36crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy
1:45:36that's crazy about suicide is then people I mean besides all the pain and the
1:45:42loss but it's also like yeah people just like indict you of wrongdoing I know
1:45:51you like it's unescapable and you're like well he was the one who was like
1:45:54selfish and immature for killing himself yeah I'm bereaved I'm suffering he could have written
1:46:01a and everyone's gonna call you expose about what an evil whore and bitch I
1:46:05was and then killed himself sucks happy for her yeah good for 41 good for
1:46:16her gives me hope it happens it's gonna be okay Sam Altman had a baby
1:46:29with a surrogate I know that's the real story he bought a baby on the
1:46:34internet why what does he even want a kid for I don't know honestly well
1:46:40there's that big court case that's like coming up now about those like UK fags
1:46:45who like adopted a child to rape and kill him which is like the conservatards
1:46:49like really love to like bang the drum on this but it's it's not even
1:46:52that no it's not that deep it's not that alarmist I just what is he
1:46:58like I don't feel like he has like some deep like paternal instinct no he
1:47:04just like feels like it's something that he has to do for it's like a
1:47:07status thing it's like Hillary having one kid with Bill focus on the AI so
1:47:14she could promote her like fake family values let's try and get let's try and
1:47:18get the AI better than Scrabble okay AI baby companion let's try and get it
1:47:27to stop well then yeah and then the thing this only suits really against chat
1:47:32GPT are the have you noticed how black people call it chat GBT do they
1:47:39chat EBT because I think yeah because they are used to saying EBT so they
1:47:43say chat GBT can't even Candace owns doesn't I almost I almost just did it
1:47:51chat GDP that's why I thought about it fuck what was I going to say
1:47:57no I haven't noticed that but that's amazing what was I going to say hmm
1:48:04I forgot wait I want to hear what you want I know it was something
1:48:09so good it was something about I don't know I did like the the premise
1:48:17of the startup project that he unveiled while he was at Y Combinator after dropping
1:48:28out of Stanford looped oh yeah which was like what was looped it was a
1:48:33location sharing social network so like let's just find my friends yeah yeah that's what
1:48:39it became we have that yeah and it was novel at the time because like
1:48:44the federal rules dictated that phone carriers could only share location data at times of
1:48:52emergency and he like bypassed this and like struck sweetheart deals with like various phone
1:48:58companies I mean it sounds like a great sinister way to like harvest data too
1:49:03under the guise of like staying connected with your friends or whatever it's also evil
1:49:08I wish I was smarter me too and like more just I wish I had
1:49:13like a corporate temperament and could excel and I know well yeah I do think
1:49:23about that sometimes but like then you realize that like if you were in that
1:49:28position you would swiftly come to regret it and hate every moment of your life
1:49:34I don't know maybe it would just give me like a if you if you
1:49:38were clocking in and having drama with Korean girl bosses well no I'd be the
1:49:43CEO I'd be in the boardroom I'd be saying this is my company get the
1:49:49fuck out you're fucking fired okay just the structure of like you know it's nice
1:50:01just have like a third place to go no I guess a third place isn't
1:50:05your work a second place it's the Catholic church as they say in those articles
1:50:11well the Catholic yeah but a third place is a place that's not your home
1:50:15or your workplace but I literally need a second place I need a workplace I
1:50:22need a place to go that's not my home you're up in here baby surrounded
1:50:25by my weird inexplicable like five copies of Passage Press Steve Saylor noticing Supreme Transformers
1:50:38truck mango Scarface poster that I like copped on eBay after going to the Russian
1:50:43baths for your birthday where they had it hanging on the walls you got that
1:50:47from the Russian baths no I got it on eBay after seeing it oh mango
1:50:52pictures of Lenny Maddie's painting of people with AIDS plaza my weird Mexican ceramic of
1:51:02a scary like Guatemalan woman giving birth are you selling that jacket yeah you want
1:51:11it maybe I kind of want to buy a leather jacket all that shit is
1:51:19up for granted but I want like a big maybe a bigger one kind of
1:51:22that look but once again well that's a size a medium because Spanish sizing it
1:51:30runs small hmm yeah I'm yeah I'm never I'm not satisfied with any of my
1:51:38coats or jackets me neither me neither they all fucking suck they're not giving coat
1:51:44I know the way that they need to be they're like that's a real existential
1:51:49threat to my identity kind of right now that i don't don't have like a
1:51:52single item i got nothing to wear skin care or clothing that i enjoy it
1:51:58brings me joy nothing makes me happy and i've been wearing a nupsy jacket for
1:52:03seven months i know and it's cold now it's cold again it's 30 degrees right
1:52:09now and it's april i know and it just won't end and i don't i
1:52:17don't have a workplace no i know i would hate it i would no you
1:52:25you would hate it i just wish that i even just had the temperament to
1:52:29like you know have a day job yeah yeah or like yeah just the thought
1:52:35of like going a place you know like getting up with like purpose instead of
1:52:42being like to make some excel spreadsheets and to send some emails just yeah sit
1:52:47around somewhere but like when you don't have that you are just watching like the
1:52:52fruit slot uh -huh and then be like maybe i'll like wash my face yeah
1:52:58and then it's like 2 p .m and then your husband comes home from work
1:53:02and you're like then you're like pretending and then i'm like sitting on my laptop
1:53:07in a different part of the apartment like pretending like i wasn't in bed yeah
1:53:11and he's like what'd you do today i'm like just some work how was how
1:53:14was your day oh i was working i did self -directed research for my work
1:53:22hey babe i got you these rhesus x oreo cups because i love you so
1:53:33much and not because i have nothing else to do with my day and i
1:53:37go from bodega to bodega looking for the next hit didn't get the laundry done
1:53:44today oh i've been screaming on stripping the bed you don't even want to know
1:53:52i'm like ayala no she has me blocked why i don't know what would you
1:53:58do i don't know i think i i i know what i did i called
1:54:03her a fake sex worker no i called i didn't i didn't say she was
1:54:08enough of a whore she's not whore enough for me well ava whatever her name
1:54:12has a plan for being a whore you can't win yeah no i know because
1:54:16i said i wanted to see a little more midriff i know some people think
1:54:20that you're a zionist lighten up some people think you're an anti -semite one man's
1:54:25zionist is another man's anti -semite you really can't win in this world it's called
1:54:30having a nuance it's called being a free thinker with nuanced thoughts and people just
1:54:38don't get that about us honestly my question which really is above our pay grade
1:54:45and out of my league is like fine palantir whatever a company like open ai
1:54:50what kind of services are they providing to the federal government to launch their um
1:54:57well the offensive in uh venezuela and iran the kill chains what does that mean
1:55:05it's like i read about this it's but for kind of forgot but it's like
1:55:11yeah the ai like drones like just they're killing machines it is like the military
1:55:17whatever stuff is probably like beyond horrible yeah the ai precision software targets iranian school
1:55:26girls that i think a human being did i think the ai wouldn't maybe wouldn't
1:55:32have done that actually but they should blame it on the ai kind of like
1:55:36i will blame blame all future racist statements on deep fakes it's just yeah that's
1:55:43like the icky feeling like no one's accountable and it's just like the machines and
1:55:47well yeah i would love to see like a major legacy publication do a clear
1:55:57-headed investigation of what uh ai is bringing the to the table in terms of
1:56:06like military intelligence but that's never going to happen i feel like the financial times
1:56:12might have something like that yeah good read maybe um sam altman come on the
1:56:21no don't i'm sure come on about tell us your twisted lies well no i
1:56:28would let's have some negronis and just relax you know let's take our minds off
1:56:34all this doomsday stuff sam altman is gonna really love mark granz's marinetti bar and
1:56:42social club because they're known for their negronis okay i really i actually would love
1:56:49to meet sam altman in peter deal's hot tub i want elizabeth holmes because i
1:56:56think she's really got a story to tell yeah sure but like i want to
1:57:00meet him only because i want to see his like um charisma at work i
1:57:07want to see if he can sway me with his persuasive like lies and tall
1:57:12tales i don't buy it i'm not sure but maybe but i'm willing to be
1:57:17persuaded maybe he could entice me by telling me he'd give me a job at
1:57:20the office maybe i'd maybe i'd come in maybe i'd see you on slack he's
1:57:34like see you need to you need to drop glenn greenwald and get with me
1:57:40no that's the real thing is like these gay guys just don't care about us
1:57:46no well glenn does to his credit which is why i'm a ride or die
1:57:50truly i love him okay see you in peter teal's hot tub We'll be right
1:58:06back.