Hour 1 - COTUS Tariff Ruling
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton show.
0:39Sometimes we get things right that aren't necessarily ideal for President Trump.
0:45This was one of them.
0:47In the early morning hours, yeah, early morning is probably right, but about two hours
0:55ago, the Supreme Court released an opinion striking down President Trump's authority to put the
1:03tariffs in place that he put in place last April.
1:07By the way, just breaking right now, Caroline Leavitt says President Trump will hold a
1:13press briefing on the Supreme Court's tariff decision at 1245.
1:18I would imagine that we will go to that.
1:22But let me give you a little bit of a medley, a montage of the
1:27media reporting about two hours ago that the tariffs were being struck down by the
1:36Supreme Court. This is cut to.
1:37We are in breaking news here.
1:39It's just got that Supreme Court ruling in the last hour, six to three, shooting
1:43down the president's use of IEPA tariffs.
1:47The Supreme Court just struck down the bulk of President Trump's tariffs.
1:52This is huge news. This is happening as we speak.
1:55The president's emergency tariffs are illegal.
1:59A significant loss for President Trump.
2:02A major slap at the president of the United States.
2:04This now strikes down tariffs that are imposed to 80 countries.
2:08This is the first time that the 6 -3 conservative court has ruled against President
2:13Trump. Okay, a couple of months ago, we'll play this.
2:20Among others, we have been telling you on this program that we thought that this
2:24would likely be a loss for Trump in the wake of oral arguments.
2:29Here was January on the program, cut one.
2:33All right, I'm nervous about this one, Buck.
2:35I think the Supreme Court is going to strike down some elements of President Trump.
2:39I think this is one where the president's going to get a pushback from the
2:43Supreme Court, and they are going to have a really complicated situation here.
2:52My concern is that they're going to slap him back some on this.
2:55We'll see, but I think it could be a major pushback.
2:59Okay, so they did as we had forecast on the program.
3:04Stock market, for those of you who care, basically seemed to expect that this ruling
3:09was going to come down.
3:11The Dow relatively unmoved to the S &P 500, up about four -tenths of a
3:17percentage. So, Buck, here is the complicated question going forward.
3:22I would wager a ton of money.
3:24We'll see when he comes on at 1245 Eastern and has this press conference.
3:29I would wager a lot that President Trump will now cite a new statutory authority
3:35to allow him to take executive action on tariffs.
3:38That will then be challenged and go all the way back to the Supreme Court.
3:42The Supreme Court will be ruling on that.
3:44In the meantime, I would say the biggest outcome here is what, if at all,
3:50and this opinion does not focus on it, will happen for people who claim tariff
3:55refunds, arguing that this tariff should not have been able to be put in place
3:59and, therefore, the money should be returned to the companies that have been paying the
4:04tariff. That's the biggest question.
4:05Your take here as this news came down this morning before we came on the
4:10air. Not unexpected at all.
4:13And I was going through the decision this morning in some detail.
4:18It's an interesting history here, right?
4:20The president looks at this 1977 IEPA law and says, well, hold on a second.
4:26We have a flood of illegal drugs coming from Canada, Mexico, and China.
4:30We have massive deficits which create an economic and even maybe national security risk over
4:37the long term for the United States.
4:39So he's going to take action.
4:41And it seemed that in much of the back and forth in the actual decision,
4:46the question is, the action was not explicit enough in that law.
4:52And even though it is explicit that the president could do far more extreme things,
4:57under this law, it seems the president could say, no more steel from China, period.
5:03He could do that. He could say, you can't give us, you can't import any
5:07more steel from China, national security risk.
5:09But he can't say, again, according to the 6 -3 majority here, which included Roberts
5:14and Gorsuch and, of course, Amy Coney Barrett, what you can't do is say there's
5:18a 10 % tariff now for national security reasons or for emergency reasons.
5:24uh that goes into effect there was a lot of argument over so you're saying
5:28he can do a de minimis thing or an extreme thing but he can't do
5:33meaning the little tiny regulations around these issues a massive shutdown of these things of
5:39these imports of of uh of imports coming into the country but you can't tax
5:44them they say you can't tax them because that's left to congress that is a
5:48that is a uh a constitutional power it is the sort of fundamental foundational unfortunately
5:54constitutional power left of the united states congress um so there's a lot of back
5:59and forth over that i think you're right about the logistics uh now getting it's
6:05going to get interesting to see so do companies actually get money back from the
6:08government the government's taken in is that what's going to happen are the do they
6:12all have to go and seek suit individually is there some what what happens now
6:16to the large some hundreds of billions of dollars that have been taken in as
6:20a result of this the markets haven't been spooked at all by it so far
6:24which means i think the reality here was priced in that this was probably going
6:28to be the outcome uh neither you nor i surprised by it one thing i
6:32do think is interesting is it completely changes the tariff debate meaning what trump has
6:38done has shown that you can in fact impose tariffs it will not destroy the
6:43economy it will bring in hundreds of billions of dollars of revenue every other country
6:48does this maybe this is something we should think about it changes the uh the
6:52tariffs are you know lead to trade wars trade war lead lead to real wars
6:58uh changes that discussion i think clay going forward uh we'll see it'd be really
7:03interesting if you call this one i'll be very impressed that trump just comes out
7:06and says okay tariffs now under the following authority everything stays exactly as is and
7:12then he buys himself another well it depends how fast the supreme court tries to
7:16move on this but he would buy himself have to go through the courts that
7:20have to be more process that would be very interesting i think i would bet
7:25almost 100 chance that's what he's going to do and he will basically try to
7:29run out the clock on the remainder of his term as it pertains to tariffs
7:34i think your point is a good one back in april of last year everybody
7:38told us oh my goodness this is going to destroy the economy we're going to
7:41have a recession instead we're sitting at record high uh stock market prices uh the
7:46overall as we said yesterday mortgage rates have come down inflation has come down gdp
7:51numbers were not great this morning but they were great in the fourth quarter and
7:54a large part of the gdp issues uh was the huge shutdown that we had
7:59that went on at the end of last year i think everything is poised as
8:03people are set for record uh amounts of money back uh refunds from the uh
8:08government associated with the president's big tax cut lots of people are going to get
8:12thousands and thousands of dollars more than they expect uh and then they will go
8:17spend that money and that will juice the economy to a large extent um in
8:21the spring and the summer of this year so um to me president trump's going
8:27to cite different authority almost 100 he may even be explicit in that when he
8:32comes out in about 30 minutes talks about it here's my big picture uh analysis
8:36and why i thought the supreme court would strike down president trump on tariffs this
8:42actually makes me wonder what they're going to give a yes to trump on and
8:47some people who are lawyers get upset with me when i talk about the fact
8:51that the supreme court is clearly cognizant of its political standing and if they give
8:57trump everything even if they think that he has a strong legal argument if they
9:02give trump everything then they say oh it's a rubber stamp for trump the supreme
9:07court has no legitimacy notice how all of a sudden msnbc loves the supreme court
9:13and loves how much they're willing to stand on principle and everything else there are
9:17many complicated cases that are still before the supreme court right now that would be
9:23i think far more consequential than the tariff ruling let me give you a couple
9:28of them what are they going to say about the law as it pertains to
9:31racial gerrymanders i think they're going to strike it down buck i think they're going
9:35to say basically in this modern era in which we live the idea of allowing
9:40a racial gerrymander is unconstitutional that could potentially cost democrats around 20 seats according to
9:48uh some of the analysis that i have seen of what the impact of that
9:52decision would be also birthright citizenship i would argue maybe the most foundational and transformational
10:01of the cases that the supreme court is facing right now and waiting to render
10:05a verdict on is birthright citizenship are they going to slap down trump's interpretation of
10:11birthright citizenship which says merely being born on the soil of the united states does
10:17not make you a citizen if they're going to make some interesting rulings on those
10:21cases racial gerrymandering and uh supreme you think they've given themselves some leeway here to
10:26give trump some things that are going to make the left go completely insane i
10:29don't think you're wrong i think john roberts clearly has that in mind uh as
10:34as he goes forward on some of this as probably does amy coney barrett and
10:37on the birthright citizenship issue i don't with the exception maybe of thomas and alito
10:43i don't think any of those justices want to give the decision that it is
10:50in fact not they don't want to take the heat I don't think they want
10:54to do that, but I think they recognize the alternative is to really open the
10:59door to the dissolution of American sovereignty entirely and to create a special category where
11:05the violation of law creates a permanent and fantastic benefit, which is a really bad
11:12thing for a Supreme Court to do, a really, really bad thing.
11:16And so I think that they're, you know, on that one, I do believe that
11:22the left is going to be at an absolute moment of apoplexia over it.
11:27Both of those. And I'm not saying necessarily that I think he's going to win
11:30both of them, but I think they're going to end racial gerrymandering.
11:34I would expect that that is going to happen.
11:37Birthright citizenship, I think, is going to be a close call.
11:40And Justice Roberts is a notoriously political chief justice.
11:45And, you know, we saw it with Obamacare.
11:47We've seen it with a lot of the decisions that he makes.
11:50He tries to give and take every single general session that they bring to bear
11:57all of these different Supreme Court cases.
11:59So I think he sees this as, hey, we're going to rebuke President Trump.
12:04We're going to establish that we are still the law of the land and we
12:07aren't rubber stamping him. Remember, there's been a lot of criticism.
12:10I think they got this right on the Supreme Court with all the presidential powers
12:14questions. We told you on this program that Trump was going to get presidential powers,
12:19but Trump's going to be gone in January of 29.
12:21These powers rulings on executive privilege and power and criminal charges and all those things
12:27are going to extend to every president for the rest of our lives and hopefully
12:30for hundreds of years. And so here I think they I think they wanted to
12:35rebuke him. I think they wanted to slap him back.
12:37I think he's going to now cite different authority and we're going to go right
12:41back into the legislative back into the judicial system, determining whether or not the president
12:48has the authority. Also, Congress could act.
12:50It's worth mentioning. But everybody out there basically has determined that Congress can't do anything.
12:55But they could say the president has the authority to do these tariffs.
13:00They can't pass anything. And and so I don't have a lot of faith in
13:06the legislative branch to actually weigh in on what the Supreme Court said.
13:10It is their job to be weighing in on.
13:13Yes, I think that is I think that is accurate, by the way, manufacturing delusion
13:17is still a bestseller on Amazon, my friends.
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13:30That is now the number one book on Amazon in the in the world.
13:34Clay, this is what the world has come to what to tell you.
13:37Jelly Roll, Jelly Roll is a popular guy.
13:40I mean, it's tough to go head to head with Jelly Roll's army out there.
13:43It is tough for me to go head to head with a book with a
13:46woman called Stripped Down, where she has part of her thong showing.
13:50That is a true story.
13:52You should have shown had a little bit more sex appeal on the cover.
13:55I mean, I should have shown a little leg.
13:56Yeah, I should have shown a little leg.
13:58And also, maybe a foot, a lot of feet people out there.
14:01I think it could have made a difference.
14:03Massive tattoo on my shoulder.
14:04The point is, I think you should support books that actually have an important message,
14:09that have research and that have writing done by a person who cares about writing.
14:14So go get Manufacturing Delusion because it's fabulous.
14:17It's a bestseller. And it's something that I think you will really appreciate.
14:20We want to get on that bestseller list.
14:22I do not think I'll be able to defeat the former exotic dancer.
14:28Apparently, this book is just taken off.
14:30By the way, Meacham, I will tell you, we've smoked Meacham.
14:34So thank you for that.
14:36Meacham is like, oh, no, what am I going to do?
14:38My book isn't selling. Meacham got smoked.
14:41But the exotic dancer has smoked me so far.
14:43I don't know what else to say.
14:44So am I bitter about it?
14:45No. I'm glad she's having a win.
14:47But it does feel a little unfair because I don't get to show thong on
14:51the cover of my book.
14:52Because if I did, Clay, who knows?
14:55I've been working out. Maybe it would get a little extra love.
14:58Maybe people would be like, I'm going to buy this because I feel sorry for
15:01him. Get Manufacturing Delusion wherever you can.
15:03It is a great book.
15:05Go on Amazon now. Let's get that up to the top of the bestseller list.
15:09Again, it's like number five or number six as of this morning.
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17:01Welcome back in to Clay and Buck.
17:03Christy in Florida. You love the show, but you also love Bunny XO.
17:09I had never heard of this lady before.
17:11She is a massive bestseller for her memoir.
17:14Tell me about this. What am I missing?
17:18Hey, Buck. Hey, Clay. I love y 'all.
17:20Mail Carrier listening to y 'all every day, all day.
17:23Thank you. And I will be buying your book, Buck.
17:26And I will say it will be the first book they'll have bought on Amazon,
17:31by the way. Thank you.
17:33But Bunny XO, being her past, is a very big inspirational story for a lot
17:42of people. Her and Jelly Roll, both.
17:46So, yes. Wait, tell me a little bit about it.
17:49So, she was an exotic dancer.
17:50And now she's married to Jelly Roll.
17:53What's the inspiration? Yes. Well, she's a domestic violence survivor.
17:59She was a tall girl.
18:01She was an exotic dancer.
18:03She was all those things.
18:05And she has put that behind her and has made herself a self -made, you
18:11know, living her best life.
18:14That's great. Well, look, there's nothing.
18:17Thank God for it. So, I was going to say, has she found Jesus?
18:21Has she found God? Is this a part of the story?
18:23I would assume, given the turnaround.
18:26Absolutely. And a fun fact, I know you don't know much about Jelly Roll.
18:30He won three Grammys. I don't watch the Grammys.
18:32I don't do anything about watching.
18:33Oh, well, thank you. I did not know that.
18:35Clay is, like, hung out with Jelly Roll.
18:36Says he's very nice. He's a very nice guy.
18:38He was great to my family.
18:40We sat next to each other at a WWE wrestling event back in the day.
18:45He's a big sports fan.
18:46That's all I know about him.
18:48But he was super nice to my family when we sat next to each other
18:51a while back. And as for Bunny XO, she's won the week.
18:54And a redemption story, people love it.
18:58Kind of a major faith based on a lot of redemption that we could talk
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20:03Okay, I got a super positive story.
20:05So we talked about tariffs off the top.
20:08Yesterday, I watched a bunch of the Winter Olympics.
20:12We had the U .S.
20:14women's hockey team win over Canada in overtime, an absolute awesome goal for our women
20:23to win 2 -1. And last night, it's funny, during the commercial break, I asked
20:28Buck, hey, did you watch figure skating last night?
20:30Laura wanted to, Laura, my wife, wanted to put on figure skating, so I sat
20:35and watched figure skating last night with her.
20:37And Alyssa Liu won a gold medal in women's figure skating, the first one that
20:46we have won in 24 years.
20:48So both those stories are great.
20:50But let me tell you something about the Alyssa Liu story that makes it even
20:53more fantastic. Alyssa Liu's dad, Arthur, fled China in 1989 after the Tiananmen Square incident,
21:02the clampdown on Democratic protesters in China, and moved to the United States as an
21:08actual refugee, got married, had his daughter.
21:12His daughter, they have a bunch of different kids.
21:15His daughter becomes an elite figure skater.
21:17In 2022, Buck, China showed up because her dad is Chinese and offered the family
21:25millions and millions of dollars if Alyssa would flip from her citizenship in the United
21:31States and become a Chinese figure skater.
21:35Because they are so committed to fighting communism, Arthur and his daughter Alyssa turned down
21:43millions of dollars from communist China and refused to...
21:47change her citizenship for purposes of the Olympics.
21:51And last night, she won the first gold medal for the United States since, I
21:56believe, Sarah Hughes 24 years ago.
21:59Sarah Hughes, I think was her name, was in the crowd.
22:01That was back in 2002.
22:03Okay, Buck, contrasting that, this story should get way more attention.
22:08Eileen Gu is a top skater in the Winter Olympics, has won multiple gold medals,
22:16has won a couple of silver medals this year.
22:18She did the exact opposite.
22:20She was born and raised in the United States.
22:22She's a student at Stanford.
22:24She chose, when China offered her millions of dollars, to flip her country from the
22:32United States where she was born and raised and where she goes to college to
22:36accept millions of dollars from communist China.
22:39She was asked about the Uyghurs, concentration camps, slave labor.
22:44Said, I don't really know enough, I'm paraphrasing her, to give you an answer on
22:49that situation. So she, Eileen Gu, took millions and millions of dollars from China.
22:55There are reports that she has now become a Chinese citizen, which we were talking
23:00about outside of off air.
23:04I don't think you should be able to just change your citizenship and get to
23:10remain an American. Like, if she's competing for China now, screw her.
23:14She should be gone. She's a total sellout.
23:16Take her citizenship away. I think your buddy Inez Cantor called her or said it
23:19was treason or something, right?
23:20He had very strong words.
23:22Inez Cantor Freedom, isn't that his name?
23:24Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, he spoke out about it.
23:27Look, I don't think that America should allow dual citizenship, so I go even further.
23:32Don't agree with it? Don't think it's okay?
23:34Something that comes up, by the way, in background investigations.
23:37The truth of the matter is, when push comes to shove, when it comes to
23:41giving you access to very sensitive government secrets, they do have concerns over dual citizenship.
23:47That actually does come up.
23:49So the notion that it isn't an issue or that we don't think about it
23:51in that context is a fantasy.
23:55And so, yeah, I know a lot of people will be like, but I have,
23:58like, my EU passport because of my Irish ancestry, or I have a dual.
24:01I understand that, and I know that it's legal now, and lucky for you, you
24:05can go and travel to the EU, or you can go to wherever you have
24:07your dual citizenship. I disagree with it.
24:10I think you should have, if you're a citizen of this country, you should be
24:13a citizen of America, and that is it.
24:17Go ahead. I think if you represent a foreign country in the Olympics, and that
24:22requires you to become a citizen of a country you've never been in before, I
24:26don't think that you should be able to retain your American citizenship.
24:30I mean, I don't think that's a controversial take on Eileen Gu.
24:32I mean, she sold out for millions of dollars, and here's the worst part, Buck.
24:36I don't even know that she's making that much more money in China than she
24:41would make in the United States.
24:42She's a young, attractive, highly successful, smart athlete.
24:46I tend to think money would follow that no matter where you go, so it
24:50feels very political to me.
24:53In other words, this is not a situation where if she were representing, I don't
24:58know, Moldova, and she decided to go to China, I would say, oh, you know
25:03what? She's chasing millions of dollars.
25:05That feels more economic in nature, which is also attackable, but this feels very political,
25:11too, because I'm not even convinced she would make that much more money.
25:15And again, contrasting her choice with Alyssa Liu's choice, I think is that this Alyssa
25:20Liu story should be way bigger than it is.
25:22Her dad leaving China, coming here, I mean, this is exactly what we want people
25:27to do when they come to the United States.
25:31Yes, and of course, you also have some of these Olympic competitors that I don't
25:36follow the Winter Olympics, really, so I'd never heard of any of these people before,
25:39but you have these Olympic competitors, Clay, who have spoken out about how they're uncomfortable
25:44with America. Meanwhile, the people that are competing, including this American who's competing on behalf
25:52of China, nothing about China's human rights record or any concerns there at all.
25:57No, everyone shuts their trap when it comes to China, but we have Americans who
26:01will... Including her, who was specifically asked about it and said absolutely nothing, like just
26:06stumbled around it, and I think she had a perfect score SAT, and she goes
26:10to Stanford. So when somebody who has a perfect score SAT goes to Stanford, chooses
26:15to represent a different country and then gets asked about the country and says, I
26:19don't really know enough to have an opinion on that, that's a total lie, all
26:23right? You are dodging the fact that they're doing a slave labor and you're afraid
26:27to address it. You know, there are some people where you would say, okay, I
26:31don't think, you know, you don't have the mental capacity to analyze this.
26:34If you're a perfect score SAT kid at Stanford, you can analyze what the Uyghur
26:39situation is in China. I think you have the mental faculties to do so.
26:43Some people, look, I think that China has been buying off Americans and American commerce
26:52for a long time, and the Mideast is now buying off people too, by the
26:56way. The Mideast has figured out that you can throw a lot of money at
27:00people under the guise of commerce and, you know, free and fair exchange of goods
27:07and services when you're really buying favoritism and access at the policy level.
27:11This is a problem, everybody.
27:13China has been doing this for a long time.
27:15China has been doing this for a long time.
27:15And they've mostly focused on the corporate side of it, although a lot of individuals
27:19obviously benefit at those corporations.
27:21But China has wielded the carrots and sticks very aggressively on this issue and successfully,
27:27I might add. Right. This is why, you know, all about some of the NBA
27:31controversies. Right. If you say anything bad about China and you're an NBA player or
27:36manager or coach, all of a sudden everyone flips out.
27:38But you can say, you know, you can put your hoodie up and say, America
27:41is so racist and horrible.
27:42And we're all supposed to say, oh, that's just free speech.
27:44And we're going to keep paying you millions of dollars to watch your games.
27:47But the the truth is, you're seeing this now with the Mideast as well.
27:51This is this is not good.
27:53It's not a good situation.
27:55And I also the all the arguments in favor of dual citizenship are entirely uncompelling
28:01to me. It's stuff like easier freedom of travel and like more, you know, like
28:06ease of business. I'm like, yeah, OK, but loyalty to a country is a very
28:11important thing. You know, Clay, it says it's it's the truth here that if you
28:14have a Russian national, for example, in this country and they make it back to
28:19right, they can do anything they want here.
28:20They get back to Russia.
28:21They're never being they're never being sent to face U .S.
28:24justice. I mean, there's there's real places where the rubber meets the road on this
28:28stuff. So I do not understand.
28:30And it's only been since 1967.
28:31To be clear, this is a relatively new phenomenon.
28:34It's not like, you know, the founding fathers were like, hey, well, I don't know
28:37when passports were first really a thing either.
28:39But, you know, the point is, this is a new phenomenon and it's not one
28:43that I think we should just let pass.
28:45I don't think people should be able to have to.
28:47You can have if you want to have another password, that's fine.
28:50You're just renouncing your U .S.
28:51citizenship. You're a citizen of some other country.
28:53Fine. That's free and fair association.
28:56I do not understand how you claim to be a citizen of both countries.
28:59You know, there's some inherent conflict of interest going on there as far as I
29:04can see it. I've never heard a compelling argument otherwise, other than, but what about
29:07when I want to go on vacation to Italy?
29:09Well, you know, get a V.
29:11First of all, you don't even need a visa, but you know what I'm saying.
29:13You get through the lines faster is the most compelling reason that typically is happening
29:18there. But I do think it's it's interesting that Eileen Gu, in theory, is allowed
29:25to be an American and a Chinese citizen.
29:27But according to Chinese law, would not be allowed to be a China and American
29:30citizen. Right. Like she can't represent.
29:33That's what I'm told. I did research on this.
29:35You can't represent China unless you are a Chinese citizen.
29:40And typically, China requires that you renounce the citizenship of another country in order to
29:46represent them. Now, Eileen Gu has avoided answering the question of whether she has renounced
29:52her American citizenship or not.
29:54She's been asked. That's my understanding.
29:56I did a bunch of research on this last night.
29:58Many of you want to weigh in.
30:00We'll take some of your calls.
30:01We're also expecting a press conference from the president of the United States here coming
30:05up in a moment. Let's see.
30:08Who should we go to first here?
30:11Let's go to Art in Washington, Georgia.
30:14Art, what you got for us?
30:17You already touched on what I called in about, you know, about the tariff issue.
30:22Whereas I was thinking, you know, now that Trump knows what's going on, all he's
30:27got to do is look and say, OK, what tariff sure is still intact and
30:31let's use that authority. Let's go back and we'll redo all of these.
30:33And it'll be tough, you know, tough luck.
30:36You know, you know, that's the way it goes, you know, because I'm really concerned
30:39that, you know, these countries that have been paying in and now don't have to
30:43pay in anymore. Sure. They might sue us for that money, dude.
30:46And if they do that, what do you think?
30:48How do you think that would impact our economy?
30:51Well, this is what thank you for the call.
30:52This is what we talked about when we said we thought this would be struck
30:55down. The complicated thing is not analyzing the legislative authority and whether the president had
31:02it. It is what do you do if you determine that the answer is no,
31:06because then all of the hundreds of billions of dollars of tariffs that have been
31:10taken in technically were not legal.
31:12And all of those companies that have paid the tariffs are then going to sue
31:16and argue that they are entitled to a refund.
31:19That process is going to continue to play out.
31:21By the way, this is what I was talking about.
31:22Brett Kavanaugh's dissent. He specifically said the president could potentially be able to justify all
31:30of his tariffs. If he had simply cited other authority that is different than the
31:35one that he did cite and Kavanaugh specifically said the trade expansion act of 1962,
31:41the trade act of 1974 and the tariff act of 1930.
31:48And here's a direct quote from Justice Kavanaugh's dissent.
31:51In essence, the court today concluded the president checked the wrong statutory box by relying
31:57on IEPA rather than another statute to impose these tariffs, which is why, Buck, I
32:04think he is likely to come out and simply say, hey, I'm going to put
32:10tariffs on. And now my new authority is as follows.
32:14That'll get challenged, could run out the whole Trump presidency as he keeps jumping from
32:19one legislative authority to another to justify the trade acts.
32:25Yeah, if we remember Barack Obama, even Trump has never said he does not have
32:30this authority, to be clear, Barack Obama, when he so it's not like he said,
32:34I can't do this. And then he did it.
32:36Barack Obama pioneered this new thing of being the president.
32:38You say, guys, I need Congress to do this thing.
32:40I'm totally not allowed to do it.
32:42And then he's like, I got a pen.
32:43And then he's like, I don't know.
32:43phone i'm just gonna do it i think biden is the flagrantly unconstitutional is even
32:48crazier one buck biden said i can't do this but i'm gonna do it anyway
32:53just because we're gonna build more time in remember when he for instance i think
32:58it was the uh the student uh the student loan uh the the the uh
33:04the ability to not pay rent all those things during covid he flagrantly knew he
33:09didn't have the ability to do it but just knew it would take a while
33:12for the supreme court to tell him that and so he did it just relying
33:16on the more time that it was going to take uh and again i think
33:20trump in some ways can just keep citing different statutory authority and run this thing
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35:58to cynthia in pleasant grove utah who has called in what's up cynthia so i
36:04have a twin sister that that has dual citizenship with australia she's been there for
36:1045 years and she's been able to vote online in our elections all that time
36:18this is the thing cynthia i'm glad you brought this up i know people who
36:23live in different countries that have now uh dual citizenship live in a different country
36:29and go online and vote in american presidential elections it's outrageous dude this is i'm
36:35sorry this is a very straight this is an easy issue you should not be
36:38able to have two passports as an american you either have someone else's passport or
36:42an american passport that's it i thank you for the call uh she totally she's
36:48sorry she totally agrees with me she's obviously a very astute and brilliant woman well
36:51so what i would say for uh it's because we're going to get emails it's
36:54one thing if you're assigned right i'm not talking about you you're working a big
36:59company and they have sent you overseas and you are working in a foreign country
37:04you're in the military you are uh you know an employee of an american company
37:08based in australia something like that i'm talking about when you have chosen you are
37:13a citizen of a new country you are still technically allowed to be a citizen
37:18of the united states and vote online crazy in our presidential senate congressional elections that's
37:25bonkers this is a this is like when people found out that illegals matter for
37:30the census and everyone's like well that's outrageous right um dual citizenship when you look
37:34into it no nope you get one in bucks america's you get one because you're
37:39either with us or you're with somebody else that's fine you want to do australia
37:43i love australia i've never even been there but i love them anyway be an
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