Hour 1 - Defanging Iran
3/4/202637 mincomplete
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0:02Guaranteed human. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show, Wednesday edition.
0:09The primary in Texas is over.
0:12Continued discussion of the war in Iran.
0:15Our buddy Jesse Kelly will join us in the second hour.
0:19In the third hour, we are hoping that maybe Yael Eckstein will be able to
0:24join us. She is from the IFCJ.
0:27As missiles are raining down on Israel, we will see whether that ends up happening
0:31or not. But we appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
0:35And let's go right to it.
0:37I've said before, Buck, that I love early morning press conferences.
0:43And I understand that people in media do not like to get up early in
0:48the morning. I had five years of early morning radio.
0:52Nobody else was awake. I love making media members get up early and have to
0:59go cover events. I've talked about it at the White House.
1:02I particularly love that the Secretary of War and that everybody there is doing early
1:09morning press conferences. Because it sets the entire agenda of the day.
1:13And here is what I thought was the most significant aspect of what Secretary of
1:21War Pete Hegseth said. That basically, and Buck, I want you to analyze this as
1:27well. We are close to having complete and total control of the skies over Iran.
1:34Here is cut six. U .S.
1:42and Israeli air power. Every minute of every day until we decide it's over.
1:47And Iran will be able to do nothing about it.
1:50B -2s, B -52s, B -1s, predator drones, fighters controlling the skies, picking targets.
1:57Death and destruction from the sky all day long.
2:02We're playing for keeps. Our warfighters have maximum authorities granted personally by the President and
2:08yours truly. Our rules of engagement are bold, precise, and designed to unleash American power,
2:13not shackle it. This was never meant to be a fair fight.
2:17And it is not a fair fight.
2:19We are punching them while they're down, which is exactly how it should be.
2:23All right, we're finishing them, would be another way of pointing this out.
2:27Buck, let me hit you with another couple of pieces of data.
2:30Raisin Cain, as Trump calls him.
2:32General Cain says, Iran's, this is a direct quote, ballistic missile shots fired are down
2:3986 % from the first day of fighting.
2:4323 % decrease just in the last 24 hours.
2:46One -way attack drones down 73 % from the opening salvos that were fired.
2:54Why is this significant? Because what we are seeing is Iran's ability to fire back
3:01is diminishing in a hurry.
3:03And I understand that the talking points are this war has just begun.
3:08I think that is largely to try to drive Iran towards an agreement on who
3:15the next leader will be.
3:17But to me, the story now, and you correct me if you see anything else
3:22here, is Iran's ability to fire back sort of indiscriminately, which they've been doing, peppering
3:28many different Gulf states with drones, with missiles, is basically vanishing.
3:34Soon it will be gone.
3:36And when that occurs, America's air superiority will be even more pronounced.
3:41And then it's really just a question of to what extent is Iran willing to
3:46negotiate with us to determine what their new government will look like and who the
3:51leaders are. Is that a fair assessment in your mind?
3:55Well, mostly yes, except negotiate with whom?
4:01This is the problem, is that there really is not a sort of set and
4:08clear alternative to what we currently have, which is now gone, or rather is mostly
4:16gone. And there's a lot of factionalism.
4:20This is where you get into this is a large and complicated country.
4:25We've thought of it as, in this country, I think a lot of the media
4:28coverage has made people think of it more as a monolith.
4:32People will refer to all Iranians as Persians.
4:34Well, Persians are just one ethnic group, actually, in Iran.
4:3660%, according to the numbers that I saw, Buck.
4:39There are Kurds, there are Azeris, there are Turkmen, there are, I mean, there are
4:46so many different ethnic factions otherwise that I can't name.
4:51I mean, there's a dozen or more that will make the list.
4:54There's a lot of them is the point.
4:55And when you actually talk about a resistance forming from within, I think what we
5:04want, Clay, the lesson of Iraq is you cannot remove everybody who had any function
5:12in the previous government unless you want bloody anarchy, which is what we ended up
5:19getting. You cannot have every person who ever held a gun.
5:24for and received a paycheck from a government that is was run by the ayatollah
5:30or formerly run by the ayatollah uh you can't get rid of all of them
5:36you need somebody from within who has enough uh wasta i think they would say
5:44them in the in arabic in the middle east you need somebody with enough juice
5:47that they can say all right we can calm things down we can approach america
5:54or american intermediaries directly there's already reporting out there i mean there's reporting up on
5:59cnn of uh i mean this is the cnn report it says cia working to
6:05arm kurdish kurdish forces to spark uprising in iran according to sources is that true
6:11is that not true this is what uh this is what cnn is reporting i
6:15can tell you this that's that comes with a lot uh the whole kurdish thing
6:20we went through this in iraq and the kurds are often a pretty reliable allies
6:26they fight um they kept northern iraq very stable even during the worst periods of
6:32the iraqi insurgency anybody who was if you went from you know baghdad or ramadi
6:37or or mosul to erbil uh in the military military side it felt like you
6:42were in a completely different country uh if you were in what they called kurdistan
6:46but the turks get very aggravated because there's a lot of a lot of kurds
6:51in turkey and they they have their own separatist problem in turkey so it's just
6:56you're you're getting into mid -east factionalism here what you need is someone who is
7:02a rational actor from within the existing apparatus not an ideologue not bloodied substantially by
7:12engaged in you know irgc coulds for stuff or whatever does this person exist i
7:19don't know i i you know we talked about venez Venezuela is different venezuela has
7:24had democratic elections until quite recently and yes there's oppression and there's been the you
7:31know the maduro regime stole the last election and yes they've been thuggish but clay
7:38you don't have to go back very far for there to be something resembling a
7:42real election in venezuela you go back to 2012 right right and and that's when
7:47uh chavez took took charge i believe right wasn't it 2012 uh 2011 2012 so
7:53in the islamic republic uh you got to talk rather you know in in iran
7:59you got to go back to 1979 and even then they didn't have elections they
8:04had a shah so what is the game plan for all of this i think
8:09it's being figured out on the fly but i think that secretary war hegsat's plan
8:14is we're going to completely defang the snake and then we'll see if a snake
8:18wants to play ball but the snake will have no fangs that is for sure
8:22and i just let me um let me make a suggestion because i know we
8:27got a lot of people uh in the uh administration who listen i think one
8:32of the most compelling arguments they can make and buck again tell me if you
8:36think this is crazy i made it yesterday but i haven't seen it because now
8:40the argument is well they haven't really been able to give us a full -throated
8:45explanation of what the motivation is well the motivation is clearly to keep iran from
8:49getting nuclear weapons that's the motivation for all of this this is basically doing to
8:55iran what we should have done to north korea in the 1990s the world would
9:00be infinitely better if that crazy fat dictator in north korea did not have nuclear
9:06weapons and and now that he does we can't really do anything the world is
9:11unstable because of him um do we want a now the only thing i will
9:18say in favor of kim jong -un to probably get clipped people be like clay
9:22travis loves kim jong -un clay travis loves kim jong -un loves all the big
9:27posters the pot belly all of it big kim jong -un guy here he's not
9:32a religious fundamentalist that's the only thing i think you can say in his favor
9:37north korea i don't think he's a religious fundamentalist is oh no he is he's
9:43just he's just god but that's this is a whole other conversation he thinks he's
9:46god but yeah well that's but my point is fundamentalist when you're god but yeah
9:50okay fair enough well my point is he's not reading a book convinced that everybody
9:54else who is not a member of that religion is an infidel and he's not
10:00trying to impose his religion i don't think so i look you're coming too hard
10:05after my boy i'm pretty familiar with north korea stuff but i gotta tell you
10:09they um they have the most crazy they're absolutely you know like we are vermin
10:16we not non -koreans are considered vermin in north korean propaganda i mean actually subhuman
10:22uh and and they'd use all kinds of but so they but it's a it's
10:26a crazy place we agree we we wish that they did not have nuclear weapons
10:31my point is to my knowledge north korea has been unable to in some way
10:39or even demonstrate that they're going to enact terror upon the rest of the world
10:44in a substantial way i know they had the one attack on the subway no
10:47no they do terror they do the terrorism thing too so your your point is
10:51that basically your You're going rogue here, buddy.
10:54I'm trying to be positive here in saying that I think Iran having nuclear weapons
10:59is even more dangerous than North Korea.
11:02But the argument should be that North Korea having nuclear weapons is absolutely awful for
11:09the world. And if we had been smart in the early 90s, we would have
11:13wiped out their ability to ever have nuclear weapons.
11:16That's what we're doing with Iran.
11:18And I think Iran is even more dangerous than North Korea based on what they
11:24have demonstrated for 50 years now that they want to wipe many countries off the
11:30world, including Israel, but also death to America, everything else.
11:34So the argument to me is pretty clear.
11:36It is President Trump is making a determination that for the next 40 years or
11:4150 years or who knows how long, we're not going to have to deal with
11:45a nuclear Iran because it destabilizes the rest of the world even more than North
11:50Korea does now. And if we could go back in time into the 90s, we
11:53would have wiped out North Korea's nuclear ambitions.
11:56I haven't heard anybody make that argument.
11:57I think that's the best argument for what we're doing with Iran right now.
12:01We certainly didn't want another nuclear standoff like what we had with North Korea.
12:06But North Korea has already been, whether it's for proliferation or destabilizing activities, supportive terrorism,
12:15assassinations, kidnappings, the North Korean intelligence service operates like a nation state backed, basically terrorist
12:28operation. So my argument of trying to be kind and say that Iran is a
12:33more dangerous North Korea, you actually think North Korea might be more dangerous than Iran?
12:38North Korea is the craziest place on planet Earth by far.
12:41I was too kind. I was too kind to Kim Jong -un.
12:44They're really crazy. But it would be good.
12:46It would be good if we didn't have a North Korean twin with nuclear weapons.
12:50That to me is a really compelling argument that is easy to understand.
12:54I co -sign that we do not need a country with totalitarian dictatorship that also
13:01believes if we have a massive war, it will hearken the return of the 12th
13:06Imam and there's religious prophecy that will come out of the nuclear flames.
13:11But North Korea does want to kill everybody in South Korea and probably America, too.
13:15But do you think they really do or is that just a delusional, crazy person?
13:20More so like the apparatus surrounding senior generals of the North Korean regime with anti
13:26-aircraft pieces, just to make a point.
13:28They're pretty bad. Well, he's crazy.
13:30He's crazy. It's bad that he has nuclear weapons.
13:33I just I look at North Korea and say if Kim Jong -un was gone,
13:38I think North Korea actually could reconciliate with South Korea.
13:42And there is a way in which that country eventually could return to normalcy in
13:47the world. And and much of it is a cult of personality driven around one
13:54person. And maybe I'm just too kind to North Korea.
13:59There is the possibility. Maybe the headline is too kind to North Korea.
14:03You're going to you're going to get an invite to Pyongyang at this rate.
14:06You and Dennis Rodman. We're going to be just chilling, playing a basketball game with
14:10with my boy, Kim Jong -un.
14:12I will say the stories of what they did when that movie was made about
14:18the assassination of Kim Jong -un.
14:20The interview, I think, with with James, who did that movie back in the day?
14:26You remember that movie where they James Franco and Seth Rogen.
14:30That led to the hacking of Sony, which was a huge problem.
14:34By the way, just the point about North Korea, Clay, they also operate as nation
14:38state backed global hackers trying to steal everything from crypto to state secrets to.
14:44And what are you going to do?
14:46You're going to go to Interpol and say, hey, we think that we traced the
14:48source to North Korea. Good luck with that one.
14:51But if we could go back in time and wave a magic wand and we
14:54wiped out North Korea's ability to ever have nuclear weapons, North Korea might not exist
14:58as a country today. Right.
14:59Like, I think that's probably true that was so the analogy here of we're trying
15:04to avoid creating another North Korea to me, I think, is a really good one.
15:08Have you heard anybody making that argument?
15:10I haven't heard it anywhere.
15:11Well, the argument you will hear people make is the is the Gaddafi lesson isn't
15:16reconcile with America. If you're a dictator, it's get nukes as fast as you can,
15:20because otherwise that's that's the other side.
15:23That's the rational choice to make.
15:25And if you question it, Ukraine wouldn't have gotten invaded by Russia if they hadn't
15:29given up their nukes. That's also true.
15:32And we promised them that that would never happen.
15:35Protect them and never allow that to happen.
15:37The Budapest memorandum. Yeah, not good.
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16:41We were talking about the plan with regard to Iran, and I said defang.
16:46It turns out, that's exactly what Secretary Rubio said.
16:50Great minds think alike. I didn't even know about this one.
16:52Here is Secretary Rubio. Play it.
16:54From what I've been told by the Department of War, everything is on or ahead
16:57of schedule and proceeding on these objectives.
17:00We have every confidence in the world that these objectives will be achieved.
17:03The last point I would make is, and I said this yesterday and I repeat,
17:07what's about to, you know, you're about to see, you know, we're going to unleash
17:10Chang on these people in the next few hours and days.
17:13You're going to really begin to perceive a change in the scope and in the
17:16intensity of these attacks as, frankly, the two most powerful air forces in the world
17:20take apart this terroristic regime and defang it and take away its ability to threaten
17:25its neighbors or hide behind a zone of immunity that allows them to develop their
17:29nuclear ambitions. This terroristic, radical, cleric -led regime cannot be ever allowed to have nuclear
17:37weapons. We just blew up the Iranian flagship, Clay, with a torpedo.
17:43The first time the U .S.
17:45has taken down a ship with a torpedo since World War II.
17:49I saw that. For the military history nerds out there, I don't even know how
17:53many ships Iran has, but I don't feel like they have a very, very long
17:59history of seafaring left in their future here.
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18:59Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, Texas Primary.
19:01We got some cuts now that James Tallarico has beaten our good friend Jasmine Crockett.
19:07We're going to play those for you in a moment.
19:08But as I was checking my text messages, the team has been constructing photos of
19:15me playing the flute while dining with Kim Jong -un after the open of the
19:19show. Those will soon be out on social media.
19:22Let me circle back around on this angle and see if you'll buy into this
19:26argument, Buck. The reason why I think Iran with nuclear weapons is more dangerous than
19:33North Korea with nuclear weapons, both are dangerous, but the reason why I think the
19:38North Korean argument is a good one, is my concern is if the Ayatollah dies
19:44and Iran has nuclear weapons, the reason why the Ayatollah is in power is there
19:49are enough fundamentalists in Iran that the power of the Ayatollah is not coming from
19:58top down, it's from bottom up.
20:00In other words, there are lots of fundamentalists who believe that they need to kill
20:05people in order to spread their faith.
20:07And the leader then is a reflection of what many actually believe in the country,
20:13which means the length of time that they can have nuclear weapons is in danger
20:18for many different leaders. I think most people are lying when they say, oh, we
20:24love Kim Jong -un. They fear him because he's very powerful, but there isn't actually
20:29a fundamentalist belief system of the same way.
20:34When people leave North Korea, they tend to embrace Western values and suddenly realize the
20:40rest of the world is great.
20:42There are people who leave Middle Eastern countries and decide that they're going to act
20:48out based on their religion.
20:49Does that make sense? I think the religion of Kim Jong -un or whatever it
20:52is in North Korea is not actually real.
20:56People are just terrified if they don't put his photo up that they're going to
20:59be killed because he is a very supremely powerful person.
21:02But if he were gone, there actually could be some sanity in that country.
21:07My concern, and we'll see what happens now, is now that we've cut off the
21:11head of the snake of the Ayatollah, it is possible that we end up with
21:15a religious fundamentalist leader in Iran who is even worse and more dangerous going forward
21:21than what we have right now.
21:22So both are bad, but I actually think Iran with nuclear weapons is more dangerous
21:27than North Korea with nuclear weapons.
21:30I mean, I think it's a little bit of an apples to orange comparison, but
21:34I don't know how much worse North Korea could be than it is.
21:39But I just say, if you could wipe out...
21:41There are a lot of North Koreans who actually buy into the cult of personality
21:45there. They don't have external internet.
21:47But if you look at the internet, it's a pretty close.
21:47I'm really happy about it.
21:47But I think it's a great perché.
21:47have books they don't have tv the entire country i mean i actually write about
21:51this in manufacturing delusion which is a fantastic book you can go check out the
21:57entire country is essentially in a mass mind control experiment well they will kill you
22:01if you bring in dvds from other countries and just try to watch them in
22:05your home i mean that they have millions of people who are part of the
22:09security apparatus in north korea who their privileged position their their family's privileged position the
22:17fact that they have food to eat and roof over their heads is entirely in
22:20their minds tied to kim jong -un and his uh benevolence so it's not as
22:28simple as like if he were gone everything i mean the country is it is
22:34a bizarre place uh in so many ways it's not like it's a would be
22:39a flowering of jeffersonian democracy if you had no kim jong -un well the scary
22:45thing another general take over on behalf of the kim family it's technically a necrocracy
22:50meaning that the kim kim joe kim il sung is still theoretically the head of
22:56the communist party of north korea and he's been dead for a long time well
23:01and they have a uh a dynasty that is predicated on his uh his supremacy
23:07that theoretically is now going to run i think kim jong -un has already announced
23:11that his daughter is going to be the one that takes over after he's dead
23:14right i mean he's he is considered the eternal president kim il sung the that's
23:19what they call him the eternal president so so to your point about religion and
23:23everything else clay the religion of north korea is the kim dynasty right that's that
23:29it is a religion effectively i mean they have a dead guy who's still technically
23:33the leader of the country forever because of the way that they've set up all
23:37the state propaganda and look north korea really the let's go axis of evil here
23:41what was the axis of people iraq iran north korea north korea north korea we
23:47can't get rid of because of all of the nukes and that's not just the
23:49nukes they've got enough conventional artillery that they could kill hundreds of thousands of people
23:55probably in seoul in the capital of south korea in the first 48 hours or
23:59so of an engagement right i mean it's an absolute disaster waiting to happen so
24:04iran we don't want to get to that place but i mean you know the
24:07other side of it is people would say that iran would have a little bit
24:10of a problem with saudi arabia all the sunni arab states around it that have
24:14that are enemies of it effectively and then this little country called israel that is
24:18just really good at kicking their asses that also has nukes so there is some
24:21box in reality for iran i think as well but will regime would regime change
24:27ever happen if they had nukes probably not because you get into at what point
24:32does a country with nukes have red lines i mean i think there are things
24:34we could do to russia where russia would launch i'm not saying they would launch
24:38at all u .s cities but i think russia if we took out putin there
24:41is somebody who might push a button to i mean to send a nuclear weapon
24:45here if we took out or if we joined the ukrainians and marched and we
24:49had you know armor divisions rolling across russian territory would they would they fire tactical
24:53nukes to take yeah i think they would right my point is that nukes will
24:57be used at some point it's not just we use them we're the only ones
25:01who have nukes aren't just there for show and with north korea if they had
25:06nukes and they were under this degree of pressure i do think that they would
25:09be willing to to launch that's why we're doing it now and so well and
25:13again i agree that stopping them from getting to that point is very important but
25:16uh but north korea is a little crazier than you think it is i'm going
25:20iran one on biggest threat with nuclear weapons north korea two are you taking north
25:26korea one iran two on the power rankings of crazy i mean it's it's very
25:33it's very hard i mean this i can tell you is north korea is is
25:39the average north korean more disconnected from reality and and and more uh delusional than
25:46the average iranian yeah by a factor of like 10 it's not even close because
25:51the iranians are sophisticated educated people yeah that's been around for you know persians and
25:56iran have been around for millennia north korea is the kind of mutant evil stepchild
26:03of the chinese communist party in china next door which is itself an outgrowth of
26:09stalinist soviet uh communism so you know north korea is really that's a really messed
26:16up place really messed up place i think if you had mass starvation in in
26:20iran the mullahs would have a big problem on their hands in north korea they've
26:25had mass starvation and you say a word about it and they'll just kill you
26:29faster it really is do you know they've opened up um they've opened up resorts
26:35in north korea have you seen i saw i think we know who's going to
26:39be uh one of the first american commentators to go clay's going to be on
26:43the beach in north korea like this place isn't so bad look at this i
26:46water slide i would go visit north korea if uh if dennis rodman were with
26:51me um i would go interview kim jong -un would you serious question would you
26:56actually i would not be willing to go because i think north korea cannot be
26:59trusted even if they invite you give you a visa and you would you be
27:03willing to go i wouldn't i would go i would go to if they told
27:06me that i was going to be able to interview kim jong -un and and
27:10all those things i think i would go um i don't know that laura travis
27:14would let me go james frank don't you clay is just like i go in
27:17there i go in there to talk sec football but really i get rid of
27:22the dictator of north korea i mean i know everybody stopped talking about it but
27:26remember the relationship between trump and kim jong -un used to be a huge talking
27:31point right i mean obviously trump went to the demilitarized zone in term one and
27:36visited and said i think one reason that north korea has these uh beaches and
27:42resorts that they have built is partly because president trump as trump would do just
27:47says hey you know what we should actually have um uh we should actually have
27:53a resorts and things like that in north korea i think kim jong -un is
27:56actually likes trump and is impacted in some way by that but there was no
28:00the the first efforts to get some resolution uh from the trump administration on diplomacy
28:06with north korea was a bust unfortunately didn't didn't actually get anywhere um i think
28:11you're right he probably views trump as an interesting character that is uh is is
28:16ever i mean everyone who spends time with trump is like i like that guy
28:18uh but they were not able to get any kind of an agreement out of
28:22it back to iran though we're sinking all their boats we're blowing up all their
28:26planes we're destroying all the surface to air missiles we're blowing up their intelligence headquarters
28:29we're blowing up their their military barracks i mean the plan is i think essentially
28:34as rubio said or as i was talking about before make it so that it's
28:39a country without a military and then we can have a conversation about what comes
28:43next that's really where we're taking this and we have the air power to do
28:47it and again i think we're basically at a point now where we are saying
28:52to iran let us know when you're willing to negotiate who your next leader is
28:56going to be and i don't know if you saw the data the polling on
29:00this is basically as long as we drop bombs and don't have boots on the
29:05ground and this is not some multi -year war the overwhelming majority i think it
29:10was 74 i saw support the decision in iran so long as it doesn't lead
29:17to boots on the ground and it is resolved within a month or two and
29:23i think that's the design right now of the uh of the president i think
29:28the question is who is the delcy rodriguez of iran who is somebody that we
29:32feel like is a leader that will in many ways execute pro -america -ish policies
29:39that are not going to create a huge issue going forward and does that person
29:43exist but again the opposition in venezuela existed ran was organized won votes we got
29:54nothing like that in iran we're starting from zero we're starting from zero with political
30:00opposition in iran because it hasn't been allowed to exist now the one thing i
30:04would say that overlaps is they put delcy rodriguez in because i believe her brother
30:08runs the military what is the military in iran going to do um to what
30:13extent is the irgc actually long -term committed to the ayatollah's leadership is there someone
30:20that could have a role in the iranian military that's trusted there that would not
30:25be trying to uh constantly provoke middle eastern responses all those things i think are
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31:26you get your podcasts welcome back into clay and buck let's get some calls here
31:30i've got a lot of them coming in and we want to hear from all
31:34of you um m from springfield massachusetts unidentified play it clan duck you talked about
31:45korea in the 1990s how about china you think they would have let us do
31:50what you're suggesting i think you're sadly mistaken yeah china uses north korea as a
31:58give it gives them a strategic depth if you will where they can keep the
32:04inner they they without china north korea falls apart by the way north korea could
32:08cut off china and the country would starve and wouldn't have any gasoline and wouldn't
32:13have any ability to function so north korea isn't entirely a vassal state of china
32:20china keeps it going for its own purposes and it's viewed as a tool against
32:26us sometimes clay it's you know you better you better play nice with us here
32:31in in beijing you don't want things to get wild up in pyongyang guys i
32:36mean the chinese you know have play both sides of this and they also don't
32:39want to collapse in north korea because they have the most massive met or a
32:42refugee crisis imaginable of just millions of north koreans flooding into china so they're they're
32:49they're very involved in that whole situation north korea i think i'm correct buck doesn't
32:54have a airplane that they feel confident enough in to travel with kim jong -un
33:00so they he travels to china when he visits by train train like yeah well
33:05that's also i think a security probably security procedure where they feel like the train
33:09is uh yeah safer they can they can make sure that he's all all buttoned
33:15up and safe in there but yeah north korea's got all kinds of weird problems
33:19matt in bethlehem pennsylvania go ahead matt i believe north korea has some nuclear ability
33:27and does not use it if iran would obtain a nuclear missile do you think
33:30that they would last more than a second before shooting it at israel yes i
33:36i look i think i i mean this is this is a huge question by
33:39the way but the answer is yes i don't think that i don't think that
33:43the entire leadership of north korea would instantaneously decide that they want to vaporize 90
33:48million i'm sorry the entire leadership rather of iran would say yes i want israel
33:53to vaporize like tens of millions of iranians maybe it's a huge gamble when we
33:58don't want to take but that is what would happen if they fired that first
34:02nuke and by the way their first nuke might not hit tel aviv their first
34:07nuke might not even get there so think about the risk that they're taking i
34:10think it's yes they want death to israel death to america but i think from
34:14a logical perspective um they want the nuke because it protects their power forever yes
34:20which is why kim jong -un has a nuke now my argument is i'm more
34:24concerned by north korea by iran because of the religious fundamentalism of uh islam that
34:32would be behind it but both are bad and i think the strong argument is
34:36if we could wipe it out once and for all if we could go back
34:39in time america and the world would be much safer if north korea had never
34:44been allowed i would just i would present this to you everyone the jihadists as
34:48bad as they are haven't killed a fraction of the people that the communists have
34:54in the last hundred years not even close uh you're talking about a hundred a
34:58hundred million dead versus maybe uh you know a few million dead at the hands
35:03of the jihadists overall so you know let's not under let's not underestimate crazy let's
35:08not underestimate crazy uh chuck and west palm also wants to say he thinks iran
35:12is more dangerous let's hear you go i i do iran is more dangerous because
35:17the original religious fundamentalism they want to bring forth the 12th email plus they sit
35:22on oceans of oil north korea as your previous caller says is controlled by china
35:28only point i wanted to make guys thank you daryl in savannah georgia daryl what
35:34you got for us i just want to tell you i spent a lot of
35:38time in korea while i was in the military and i can tell you that
35:42the uh the north korean people worship the kentown like they are gods yeah it
35:48was a really good illustration then they had a they had some blind north koreans
35:52and they had they finally got some swiss scientists with doctors there to operate on
35:58them and when they operated on the fence they could see the first thing they
36:02saw was kim il -sung uh picture on the wall and they started praising kim
36:08il -sung and thanking him they didn't even say anything to the doctors yeah he's
36:13worshiped as a deity he is the religion of the state of north korea and
36:16i'll also just point out for everyone who keeps saying the 12th imam in iran
36:19i'm very familiar with this i'm familiar with the hojitaya faction inside of iran which
36:24used to be more prominent but um we use nukes and we're and we're not
36:31a uh a death cult there is a calculation a military calculation that goes into
36:36the deployment of nuclear weapons i think iran would have made them if they had
36:40ever gotten them i think north korea is making them by saying no one's going
36:44to do anything to us because if they do we'll nuke them one other thing
36:48too if iran gets them all the other middle east states are going to want
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