The Manosphere Report

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0:12We're up, gentlemen. Hey, Joe.

0:14Great to see you again, Bob.

0:15Same here, long time. Joe.

0:18You are, still to this day, the most watched ever podcast we have ever done

0:24that's on YouTube. That's just unreal.

0:27It's unreal. It is unreal, because it shows you how many people are just absolutely

0:33fascinated by the story. And what you guys have done in this new film is

0:39essentially recreate S4 and, using AI, recreate you as a young man in these experiences

0:48that you had. And it was really excellent.

0:51Luigi, you're the one who put the film together.

0:54You figured it all out.

0:56And, first of all, what was the technology that you guys used to recreate everything

1:01that we did? Yeah, I just want to say there's about 10 % AI in

1:06the film, but there's 90 % Blender.

1:08And that's actually handmade CGI.

1:11So, everything you see is all handmade, and even the de -aging of Bob Lazar,

1:19we scanned Bob, we went over to his house, scanned his face, took a process

1:24of de -aging him through that, then creating a digital model of Bob in different

1:30ages, and then placing him in the environment.

1:33And then, in some instances, at the very end, we perfected or kind of put

1:40a bow on it with a little touch of AI.

1:43But the whole thing is handmade.

1:45So, the craft, the environment, the Papoose Lake, the facility, the equipment, and the people

1:52were all made. And some of the people are actually real actors that we put

1:55in there. So, it's not, it's, there's, one of the guys that is Barry in

2:00the film is a guy called Luis Martinez that's been working with me for the

2:04past 10 years. And he laughs at it because he goes, I can't believe I'm

2:07Barry, you know, so. Does he look anything like Barry?

2:10Actually, he does. He does.

2:12That's why we chose him.

2:13Yeah, yeah. Where is Barry, the actual Barry now?

2:17I don't know, you know, I kind of thought at one point, after all this

2:21happened, we would at least hear from one of those guys.

2:25But I never heard from anybody after, you know, after the initial release of all

2:32the information, yeah. It seems like, well, I don't know, if people are able to

2:38keep secrets for this long, it's got to be very difficult to just blurt it

2:42out. But, like, you know, you're holding on to a secret for 20, 30, 40

2:47years, you're, it's like. I guess, these guys were lifers, though.

2:52Yeah. I mean, they spent most of their time there.

2:54They spent at least two weeks at a time and had one week off.

2:57So, they stayed at the base.

2:59I mean, these guys were hardcore.

3:01I had just come in on the project, you know, so, I don't know.

3:07I don't know what happened to them.

3:08I'd love to know. So, I suspect that Dennis Mariani, my supervisor, died.

3:13I've seen people track him down, you know, all the way to point to speaking

3:17to his family. And they said, yeah, he had some classified job out in the

3:20desert or something. And they showed me his gravestone and stuff.

3:23So, you know, at least they were able to track him down.

3:27But I've never heard of any leads on Barry or Renee or anybody like that.

3:31What is it like seeing the recreation of it in a film?

3:37Because, I mean, essentially, it was your direction, for lack of a better word, your

3:45description of it, you telling them exactly how everything was laid out.

3:50And then once they recreated it, what is that feeling like when you watch it?

3:56Well, the final product is absolutely mind -blowing because, as I've said to Luigi, it

4:04looks like you guys downloaded that out of my brain.

4:07I mean, you know, you can describe something a hundred times and until you actually

4:12make a picture, it doesn't become clear.

4:15But, you know, this took years.

4:18I think it was like five and a half years from when I first met

4:22Luigi. And he said, yeah, I can do this.

4:25And the quality kept improving to where he started showing me pictures.

4:29And I went, Jesus, that's really it.

4:33It's not really it. It's really it.

4:36And, I mean, it blew me away.

4:40Later on, he showed me a 3D environment where I could put goggles on and

4:44move around inside. I mean, that made the hair stand up on my arms.

4:48It was unbelievable. So I don't know if I could really describe how that made

4:54me feel, but it felt like I was teleported back there.

4:57And that's, you know, that's when really I developed an admiration for Luigi's talent.

5:03I said, you know, I'm behind this and flew out to Canada a couple times.

5:07I didn't have much to do with the film other than, I guess, a couple

5:11times going out there and going, no, that's right.

5:13That's the wrong color. Move this here.

5:15Do that. And but those guys spent over three years working on it.

5:20And, you know, what they and they never showed me anything.

5:25You know, I speak to Luigi, you know, a couple times a month and, you

5:29know, he'd always say, oh, my God, you won't believe this.

5:33I said, show me. No, it's not.

5:36It's not done yet. So I really didn't get it to see anything till close

5:41to the end. But when I did, really, without trying to sound dramatic, it really

5:47put tears in my eyes going that that's it.

5:51That's it. You did it.

5:52Just stop. It's perfect. Well, I had the pleasure of watching the movie with you

5:57and sitting there with you.

5:58There was a bunch of times in the movie.

6:00You're like. Yeah. Yeah. You could tell.

6:04Yeah. Yeah. I swear I could feel that place.

6:07I could feel it watching that movie.

6:10It just, it really freaks me out because, as I've said before, it's not like

6:16what I saw. It's exactly what I saw.

6:24It's perfect. It's just like Luigi was at S4 with a camera.

6:27So it worked. It's a very unique documentary in that regard.

6:32And watching it with you, seeing you experience this thing.

6:36And then me trying to imagine what it's like for you.

6:41You're this young scientist who gets brought in on this thing without much explanation.

6:47And then all of a sudden you're confronted by this craft.

6:50And, you know, the way it's broken down in the film and you get to

6:55actually see you viewing this thing and being in the presence of this thing for

7:00the first time. And it's just, I could just only imagine what that must have

7:06been like for you. And it's so weird to watch you watch it again and

7:10see your wheels spin. Yeah, yeah.

7:12What the fuck happened to my life, man?

7:16What did they do to me?

7:18What did they make me experience?

7:22Like, what the hell? Yeah, I really can't fill in the blanks there.

7:29I want to just say that there was a time when Bob got angry at

7:34me a lot because I wouldn't show him.

7:36And he was like, come on, show me.

7:38And I said, it's not ready yet.

7:39I don't want to show you something.

7:41But at a certain point, we had to.

7:45And Bob started remembering more stuff.

7:49Yeah, yeah, that's true. It really made a big difference when he showed me some

7:55things and, you know, walking down the corridor here in turn.

7:58Oh, stop. Wait, there's another door there.

8:00I mean, it was like I was going back into the facility and really brought,

8:05I mean, actually seeing it again really brought some things back that I had completely

8:11forgotten about. So that, you know.

8:14Well, what's really fascinating is for people that don't know your story, you came up

8:20with the story, you talked to George Knapp.

8:22And was it 89? 88.

8:2588? 88, 89. Somewhere in there, yeah.

8:27So late 80s, you've essentially told the exact same story all these years.

8:33And then within the last, you know, 9, 10 years, we've started to get all

8:42these reports. There was the New York Times story.

8:45There was the Go Fast video and the Fleer video.

8:48And all these videos that show a craft that's moving the way you described this

8:55sport model moving. Right. Which kind of freaked a lot of people out with the

8:58way it rotated and turned.

9:00Rotate. Yeah. It does the belly roll, faces at the bottom towards where it's want

9:04to go, and then it takes off.

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9:48Yeah. It's exactly how you described all those years ago, which is really fucking crazy.

9:57Well, that's, I mean, that's the way it was.

9:59But it's just, it's crazy because you had this story way, way, way back then,

10:06and everybody's like, this guy's just making things up.

10:08This is all cockamamie bullshit.

10:10And then you see those videos from these fighter jets, and you're like, whoa, wait

10:16a minute. It's moving the exact same way he described.

10:18It's doing what he described in 1989.

10:23Yeah. Yeah. It's time to take a drink.

10:28Cheers. Cheers. Because it's so weird.

10:30I can't, I mean, I've had so many conversations with people.

10:34And, you know, one of the things that comes up is, do you think Bob

10:38Lazar is telling the truth?

10:39And I say, look, I don't know.

10:41There's no way I can know.

10:42But he doesn't seem like he's lying.

10:44I've been around a lot of liars.

10:46Look, nobody can know unless you're there.

10:48You know, I'm the biggest skeptic of all.

10:51Well, although if you look at Wikipedia, it says I'm a conspiracy theorist or something.

10:56Yeah, a conspiracy theorist. I think it says I'm a far -right podcaster.

10:59Yeah, all right. I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

11:02But, you know, that's my train of thought now.

11:05Well, that if you, like, basically, are you a conspiracy theorist?

11:10No, you don't even look at this stuff.

11:12Well, you've had, if you have a lie, you have one lie.

11:15And it's amazing. Because you've told the same one for all these years.

11:20It's a pretty detailed lie.

11:21It's also not normal. Like, normally when people lie, they get bored with the same

11:27lie. And then they come up with another lie.

11:28And then there's some other story.

11:30You catch them. Eventually you catch them.

11:32There's some cockamamie new thing that they come up with.

11:35And it's the type of people that are that deceptive.

11:38I mean, it's just, it doesn't make sense.

11:41It doesn't fit the standard model of someone.

11:43Well, there are other people involved with it.

11:45Yes. I mean, you know.

11:47This is for the first time Gene Huff finally is on film, you know.

11:51Because when I had the, you know, the test flight information, it was one of

11:56the, not one of the, he was the first person I told about that.

12:00And, you know, we were all able to go out and see it.

12:03And so everybody knew that I wasn't crazy.

12:07It was. And then also all the confirmation that you were being fucked with.

12:13That, you know, when you were in the gym, they would show up and open

12:16up your locked car doors and open up your trunk and leave it there.

12:19So you'd go out there and see it.

12:21They'd go to your house when you weren't there.

12:23They'd go to your house when you were in the gym, you were in the

12:23gym, you were in the gym, you were in the gym, you were in the

12:24gym, you were in the gym, you were in the gym, you were in the

12:24gym, you were in the gym, you were in the gym.

12:24Yeah, they were even, right, they were even following George Knapp and, I mean, all

12:29of us, anybody that had anything to do with it at that time, they were

12:33keeping eyes on. It was...

12:35Not just eyes, but a lot of intimidation tactics, just letting you know, letting you

12:40know that they could touch you.

12:42Yeah. So I've really worked for decades to push this out of my mind, so

12:46it's always tough to bring it back, you know, and talk about it.

12:50And it's, yeah, although it might be funny now, it wasn't funny then at all.

12:55It was a really stressful time and still is a very stressful thing for me.

13:01I know it's so many years ago, but do you remember the thought that came

13:06in your mind when you realized that it wasn't ours?

13:12Do I remember the thought?

13:14Do you remember the experience?

13:16Yeah, I remember the feeling.

13:18Of recognizing, because initially you saw the American flag sticker.

13:22Yeah, when I saw the American flag, when I first went in, the first time

13:26I went in through the hangar door instead of around the back, you know, slid

13:31my hand across and saw the American flag.

13:33And I thought, oh, my God, you know, this explains the UFO nuts, you know.

13:39It's ours. Yeah, this is ours.

13:41This is a new top secret fighter.

13:42We came up with a new propulsion system, and, you know, it explains everything because

13:48I never believed in flying saucers.

13:50I thought people were nuts.

13:54But when they started reviewing everything with me, they were trying – I was trying

13:58to replace somebody, or they were trying to use me to replace somebody as quick

14:03as possible. And they had two directives.

14:08One was to – directive one was to duplicate the technology with available material at

14:14any cost, which is verbatim what it was.

14:17And directive two was to be able to disable this technology at a distance at

14:24any cost. And, you know, once you start thinking about that, wait, don't you guys

14:31know how the thing you built worked?

14:33And it's kind of like they left that out, that this – by the way,

14:39this isn't ours. And Barry is the guy that filled me in going, no, no,

14:43no. This is an alien craft, and we need to figure out how this works.

14:49Look at the technology here.

14:51I mean, this is decades, light years ahead of where we are.

14:56And it was a shock, really, to me.

15:03I remember going home that night and just laying in bed and reviewing everything that

15:09everybody said that day. And I really don't remember how I felt the following days,

15:19but it was just a different – it was just a different feeling.

15:23Like the world just changed.

15:24Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was – I don't know.

15:29I really can't put it into words.

15:30Well, I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine what that experience is like.

15:33And it's also very strange that they would bring you in and not specifically state

15:38to you that this is not ours.

15:41They'd just bring you in and just give you a directive.

15:44This is what you were trying to accomplish.

15:47Well, they gave me a bunch of briefings.

15:49Everything was moving at a very fast pace, and I don't know why.

15:53Anyway, I think I mentioned in the movie, right prior to I got there, there

15:59were Russians involved. And, you know, from what I can ascertain, there was an exchange

16:05of information, and then we discovered something, something of great importance.

16:09And, of course, kicked the Russians out and just held on to that information ourselves.

16:17And there was kind of a knowledge vacuum there.

16:21There was also an accident, and I was told I was replacing someone that was

16:27injured. I believe he actually died.

16:30There's no record of who this person was, or has anybody ever tried to figure

16:34it out? I don't know.

16:35I don't have any names.

16:36I just know that Barry told me, you know, I'm replacing somebody that he used

16:40to work with. And he was without a lab partner for a while.

16:44So when I came in there – How long is a while?

16:48I don't know. But, I mean, that brings up a good point.

16:51First of all, we're dealing with alien or another civilization technology, whether it's from another

16:59dimension, another time, another planet.

17:02I mean, who really knows?

17:07So I'll eventually get to answer the question here.

17:10But wouldn't you think this place would be more like the lunar receiving lab where

17:15everything is white? You know, so you can see a speck of dust.

17:19There's – everything is sterile.

17:22People are being extremely careful with what they're doing.

17:25But you're not seeing that.

17:26But this is in now something akin to an aircraft hangar in the middle of

17:31the desert. There is dust on everything.

17:35People are taking everything nonchalantly.

17:37There's a frigging poster about the thing.

17:41You know, a there here poster there.

17:44And thank you, Luigi, for getting me that poster.

17:46We've got to figure out a place for that and put it in here somewhere.

17:49It's awesome. But, I mean, they went to the trouble of making a poster.

17:52They actually – I think right here.

17:54That's a good place. Right there.

17:55That's a good spot right there.

17:57But the – I mean, they actually cut one of the amplifiers out of the

18:01craft. So my point is – This is in the film as well.

18:04You can see. Yeah. But my point is it's so nonchalant at this point.

18:10When they first had it, it had to be at that level.

18:14And they became so used to it, so familiar with it, that, you know, to

18:21them it just became like another, you know, fighter aircraft or something from another country.

18:28So it's – it must have been there a long time is what my point

18:34is. Because, look, as soon as you have something that you – You don't let

18:43it just sit there in a hangar and be exposed to the environment and have

18:47security people walking by and people touching it.

18:50I mean, it's in an isolated, sealed, secure environment, and they were past that.

18:56So I think it had been there for a decade or decades, a long time.

19:02And these guys were intimately familiar with it, not afraid of it, you know, and

19:07knew what was going on.

19:09So they essentially had gotten just completely acclimated to the fact that this craft exists,

19:14that it was there. And there had been relatively little progress as far as figuring

19:20it out and figuring out what it does and how to recreate it.

19:24So it just kind of sat there.

19:25And so I think they were making very little progress.

19:28And I think they kept going over the same road again and again, and they

19:34probably had other experts there and just didn't.

19:37And I think the reason I got hired is because I was a guy out

19:41in left field that didn't necessarily follow what was going on.

19:45I mean, the biggest distractors in the, you know, to me anyway, in the story,

19:53are other scientists, other physicists.

19:57Well, they would have hired me because I'm the top guy in the field.

20:00Yeah, you probably are. But I think they hired plenty of you guys, and you

20:04just kept going down the same road and didn't do anything.

20:07I think they were looking for somebody that just would have some radical idea and

20:12just to push the, you know, the project forward because everything had stalled when I

20:16got there. And it was, I think they were just in a desperate move to

20:21make some progress. One of the things you talked about in the first podcast that

20:24I think is really important is that the only way for science to really progress

20:29is that these various scientists have to be able to communicate.

20:35And you have to be able to share ideas, and you have to be able

20:39to collaborate. But that's not how this was run because it was so top secret.

20:43Everything was compartmentalized. Like the metallurgists weren't talking to the propulsions people who weren't talking

20:50to if there were biologics experts.

20:53Like everybody was— Super frustrating.

20:55Super frustrating. Because I think—I don't remember exactly where that started.

21:00Again, it's 40 years ago.

21:01But I think it started with the seats.

21:07And no, it started with the actual skin of the craft because everything looked like

21:12it was made from the same material.

21:14And I wanted some information about the skin, the superstructure of the craft.

21:21And they said, no, that's restricted.

21:23What's, you know, we need a reason for you to— I just want to see

21:28if everything is exactly the same material.

21:31And what I call the seats in the craft, I still don't know if they're

21:35the seats, but they might be.

21:37I think it'd be hilarious if they were actually something else.

21:41But I wanted some information on those, and that was restricted information, too.

21:46There were other groups working on that.

21:47So they compartmentalized stuff so much.

21:50There was no exchange of information between any groups.

21:53I mean, you could submit a written response that your supervisor, in my case, Dennis,

21:59would have to carry over, and they would have to approve.

22:02And, you know, you'd get a two - or three -line response from, you know,

22:06the other group. But it's just—that's not how science works.

22:10Science works on the free exchange of information.

22:13And they were just killing themselves with security.

22:18And it was really frustrating.

22:21It was terribly frustrating. So was this a function of security people, people that are

22:27concentrating on top security, that don't truly understand how collaborative science works?

22:32Yeah, that's it right there.

22:34You can't stop right there.

22:35They had no idea how that works.

22:37Because it stands to reason that whatever that thing was made out of probably in

22:44some way interacts with the propulsion system and whatever controls that are in it, that

22:51this material has to be particularly unique.

22:55Exactly. That's exactly my point.

22:58And I suspected the material was an electric.

23:01You know what an electric is?

23:03No. Okay. You know, like a magnet—a permanent magnet is like—you know, it's a magnet.

23:10Forever it's a magnet. Right.

23:12It has a magnetic field.

23:14An electric is a material that has a permanent static field to it, a static

23:21electric field to it. And I strongly suspected that the craft was made out of

23:28an electric. And I was not—because, again, that's the material science, guys.

23:33I was not allowed to connect that to—but that's so important to connect it to

23:39the propulsion system and how the propulsion system interacts with the amplifier or the emitters.

23:46And I just—I wasn't allowed, you know, the information I needed.

23:51So it was—I don't know.

23:55It was self -defeating is what it was.

23:58Well, it seems like they were treating it like a fighter jet or an automobile.

24:02Like, in an automobile, you have the outer area, the shell of the car.

24:08You have the doors, the skins, the hood, the roof, all that stuff, which is—but

24:13then you have the propulsion system, which is the engine and the transmission and the

24:17tires and the wheels and the suspension.

24:20But they're all not connected.

24:22They're connected because they're bolted together, but they have different functions.

24:26Right. I think the idea or the concept, at least as I'm gathering from you,

24:31is that this thing all worked as a cohesive unit.

24:35Right. With no physical connection between, you know, between the subsystems.

24:42And all of it made out of the same material.

24:45At least on the outside.

24:47At least on the outside.

24:48It all made out of the same material.

24:50And the other crafts all had the— same power plant in them.

24:55So that brings to mind, you know, like a GM plant that makes a car

25:01with a Chevy 350 and makes, you know, a dozen different models to it.

25:06So that makes you think about, boy, is there a factory making these things?

25:12And, you know, your brain can just wander off in directions, but I tried to

25:17stick with just the technology.

25:19Um, did you know who the metallurgists were?

25:23The people that I saw them, you know, I know them and Barry, we'd go

25:28to the lunchroom, Barry would point them out, you know, and you weren't allowed to

25:31communicate with them at all.

25:32Oh, hell no. You have a lab partner, which my in, in my case was

25:38Barry and you're, you have, you're allowed to talk to your lab partner, but you

25:43can't talk to any other group that has to go through a written request, has

25:48to go to your, um, supervisor and he'll bring it over to them and they'll

25:53bring it back and so on and so forth.

25:55But, uh, yeah, that's, that's ridiculous that, that, that it slows down any progress you

26:01might be making. Which is why they were probably stalled out for decades.

26:04Yeah. Did you ever expressly communicate to them that you, you theorized at least that

26:16this all could be connected?

26:17That there's, there's something about the way the metal works?

26:21Oh, we all knew that.

26:23We all knew that. Because we'd get requests from other, you know, from other groups.

26:29And you could tell they're desperate, just like we are and, and, and fighting against

26:34the system. What kind of requests would you get?

26:37Just exactly what we found out, you know, what, where is the energy being transferred

26:42here? If the reactor fires up, is there a field present around it or is

26:48the field just absorbed into the emitter and you can touch the, you know, reactor

26:53itself? And I just, little things like that, you know, if, uh, and actually that,

27:00that was an important thing.

27:02When the reactor's operating, is it perfectly tuned the, uh, emitter to where it removes

27:09all the energy from the reactor and pushes it out the bottom?

27:12And the answer to that was no.

27:13I remember that as a specific request from, you know, from one of the groups.

27:17Um, the metallurgy group is the one that we really wanted to hear from.

27:22Uh, and some of the, I didn't, I don't even know what some of the

27:26other groups were, but. How many groups were there?

27:30I, I don't know. There were only 22 people there total, including myself.

27:36So, um. I, I would like for you to tell Joe, one of the things

27:42that also interested me, because I built the craft, is how the waveguide worked with

27:47the ceiling and, and the interior and how it blended.

27:51If you can explain, there was no telescopic.

27:53Well, this is why we wanted to talk to the metallurgist people.

27:57The, uh, the reactor that sits on the bottom of the craft has a little

28:01dome over it. And there's something that looks like a pipe that's slight.

28:07You can lift it up and take the reactor out, put the reactor in and

28:12lift it down. But you know, like a antenna works on an old walkie talkie.

28:17It has different sections. There it is.

28:20There's from the video. There it is.

28:22Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah.

28:25You can retract the pipe, but there's no sections and it doesn't get any thicker.

28:33It just becomes smaller. And if you look underneath, um, where the emitters, hang down,

28:40um, they turn, um, and it, it, it, it doesn't buckle.

28:46It's, it's a magical material.

28:49This is, this is the basis of the craft is really the material that it's

28:54made of. It's a, it's amazing the way it works.

28:59It just, you can push it into a smaller volume and it doesn't change at

29:04all. It it's, um, I don't really know how to describe it.

29:11So you're lifting the pipe up and down, but it's not going anywhere.

29:14Look, if you had a big pipe and you push it together, it has to

29:18get thicker. Right. Because the material has to go somewhere.

29:22This doesn't. Okay. It stays in exactly the same dimensions.

29:28It just becomes smaller. How?

29:32Well, yeah. Yeah. Because you couldn't talk to the metallurgist, so you had no idea.

29:35Yeah. But those guys knew how.

29:37They did know how. I, well.

29:39Well, they know it did it.

29:40They know it, they know it did it and that's their job.

29:43So I imagine they have more information than I did.

29:46Um, but that was fascinating.

29:49It really was. And the, uh, the waveguides that hold the emitters, they come down

29:55and the emitters can turn and bend and the pipes bend and nothing changes in

30:01them. It's, and there's no wires or anything to make the pipe bend.

30:11Um, I'm, I'm trying to relate it to something, but I can't think of anything

30:17to relate it to. Well, one thing that you said that I also thought was

30:21fascinating, there's no seams. So everything looks like it's 3D printing.

30:25Again, right. It comes down to the material.

30:27Which at the time, 3D printers weren't real, right?

30:31They, yeah. At the time that really confused me.

30:35I said, how did they build this?

30:36It must've been built out of wax or something and then melted.

30:40Um, cause you can't build anything without seams.

30:43And then 3D printing came into existence and, you know, and you could build stuff

30:47from layers up. Um, that made sense.

30:52I know some sort of 3D printer or they grew it, uh, you know, in

30:58some, of course, it's not a crystalline fashion, but, um, I, I don't know how

31:06that was fabricated. But it was fabricated different than anything that we have.

31:10I don't even think it was 3D printed.

31:13And so you never got any inkling or any understanding of what the metal was,

31:20what kind of an alloy, what it consisted of?

31:24All I can say it was cold to the touch because, you know, when I

31:28touched it. But I can't say if it was a ceramic or a metal.

31:33I'd say it was metal because it was cold.

31:36Because it looks like metal.

31:38Yeah, it looks like metal.

31:40This is the designs by Perry version of it.

31:44How much does that look like?

31:45No, that's 100%. That's it.

31:48It's got to have the first ripple supposed to be black.

31:52See? Yeah. So Luigi has gone over this so many times.

32:00There's an insulator ring. Jimmy, show what it looks like in the film.

32:03If you could show one of the images.

32:05I don't, I was pulling it off the trailer and I don't, they might not,

32:09they've been holding that back.

32:10Yeah, on the trailer there's a couple of shots.

32:12Yeah, there's a ring around it.

32:14And we measured the voltage on the craft and there was a high voltage on

32:18it. And above that ring, there is none.

32:24This is not a good shot.

32:25There's probably a, this is the original trailer.

32:28It's the new trailer that would actually, yeah, that one there.

32:32And you'll get to see it right there.

32:38Actually, right after this. It's actually before this, I believe.

32:43You're going to see the craft.

32:46And if you see there's a black, right, there's like a black line.

32:50And it's the first ripple that's actually not metal.

32:55Yeah, we call that the, yeah, there it is.

32:57That's a good shot. We call that the insulator ring because below that there's a

33:02high voltage present on the craft all the time.

33:05And above that, there isn't.

33:10I would imagine that your life has like two completely different chapters, is before this

33:17and after this. Whereas like once you see it, the whole rest of your life

33:23is now going to be very different.

33:25And you are, you are in its presence for how long did you work there

33:29for? I don't know, maybe six months or so.

33:32So for six months, you're around this thing.

33:37And I would imagine it has to occupy your thoughts 24 hours a day.

33:40Well, at the time it did for sure.

33:43It's actually three stages to the life.

33:46It's before it, during, and after it.

33:49Before it was just my life.

33:51During was when it happened.

33:53And then the after part of my life is almost trying to dismiss it, you

33:57know, to just go on.

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35:24Yeah, you didn't talk about it for a long time.

35:28I mean, you did the George Knapp interviews.

35:30You talked about it a little.

35:31You made some videos explaining things and how things worked.

35:34No, I don't really like public attention.

35:37And I don't really like doing interviews, as you probably know.

35:45You know, but I know there's people that thrive on that stuff, but, you know,

35:51I felt privileged to be part of the project, but it left me with an

35:58insatiable appetite. Oh, my God, I want to know where it's gone.

36:03Look, even when I was there in the 80s, they were talking about moving the

36:08project at that time. So, I really, I'm dying to know, is it still there?

36:17Has it moved on? Did they split it up and move it to other places?

36:23Yeah, I remember Barry talking about moving it to the South Pacific, like in Kwajalein

36:28or something, but they said the expenses were so great, they couldn't do that.

36:32But they wanted it away from everybody.

36:34And they hated the fact that it was right alongside the highway in Nevada, you

36:40know, by south of Area 51.

36:43But that's the best place they had at the time and the most affordable.

36:47And, of course, now with, you know, budgets being so tight, who knows where it

36:53is? Who knows if budgets are tight for this, though?

36:56Yeah, that's true. That's true.

36:58I mean, they did say at whatever expense, figure this out.

37:02Yeah, they were serious about that.

37:04We don't really care what it was.

37:06So, like the original Apollo program.

37:07You know, back in the Apollo program, if they needed parts and if somebody had

37:13something ordered UPS or through the mail or whatever, they had the authority to stop

37:18that shipment to that other person and take their stuff if they needed.

37:22And, you know, they had an unlimited budget.

37:24I mean, if you're working like that, you could do anything.

37:29Or at least anything that's currently possible with today's technology.

37:33There you go. Which therein lies the problem, is that they're dealing with something that's

37:37not possible. Like, you couldn't build it from scratch with American technology in 1989.

37:44No, but that's what they wanted to do.

37:49And really thinking about that now, I'm not sure, I'm not exactly sure these guys

37:56should be allowed to do that.

37:58This is really powerful technology.

38:00And the world has really changed.

38:02I mean, we have a lot of crazy people doing stuff now.

38:06And nonsense transmits through the population at the speed of light.

38:13And, you know, I don't know.

38:15This can be a very powerful, world -conquering technology.

38:21And, look, for 40 years, I think I've said this before, for 40 years, all

38:26the people in control of this information have all agreed to keep it quiet.

38:30And these aren't idiots. These aren't idiots for 40 years.

38:35Because you have a line of people that all have agreed, no, let's not say

38:40anything. No, let's not say anything.

38:42No, let's not say anything.

38:43There has to be a reason why.

38:47And if they all agreed to that, maybe I'm the asshole.

38:54No, really. Maybe they're right.

38:56And maybe you would have figured that out if you kept working for them.

39:00Yeah, I don't know. But I'm increasingly thinking I'm the one that made the mistake.

39:05Maybe this is supposed to be just kept quiet.

39:10Yeah, but that doesn't ring true.

39:13Because I don't think it's ever healthy if small groups of individuals have information that

39:21would change our understanding of where we are.

39:24Yeah, there's that. I don't think they deserve it.

39:29I don't think it's right.

39:30I don't think it makes any sense.

39:32I think you have an obligation to.

39:33I mean, really, but really think about it.

39:35What if it's something that's really dramatic?

39:39Like how so? What do you think would be like?

39:41I don't know. Maybe. I mean, what if it's, I'm not saying this is what

39:46it is. But I mean, what if it's like, you know, like we raise cows

39:53out in a field and just feed them grass and they're just going to be

39:55food. What if it's something like that?

39:58What if we're just like, you know, a population of creatures that are just to

40:03be consumed in some way?

40:06I don't know if we're to be consumed, but I do think we are.

40:11Not physically consumed like eaten, but I mean.

40:14I think we have a task and I am more and more convinced as time

40:20goes on that we were engineered.

40:23I don't think we came about as a normal evolutionary process like all the other

40:27animals. Yeah, I agree with that.

40:29I really agree with that.

40:31There's a lot of people that think that.

40:32It just doesn't make sense objectively.

40:34I mean, without seeming like a kook or someone who buys into conspiracy theories, if

40:40you just look at all the other biology on Earth, why is one so uniquely

40:46able to manipulate its environment, communicate instantaneously at distance, can't really even exist in its

40:55environment in most places that it lives without clothes and shelter?

40:59We're a weird animal. We're very strange.

41:03Like we don't seem to have normally adapted to our environment with the way we've

41:08completely controlled our environment with air conditioning and electricity and electronics and flight and travel.

41:17We're so beyond everything else that evolved, whereas every other animal, predator or prey, plant

41:25eater or meat eater, all seems to cohesively exist inside of its ecosystem.

41:32And then you have us, which is like almost like an invasive species, like invasive

41:38species destroy ecosystems like because they don't belong there.

41:42Well, that's kind of what we do.

41:44Like we suck all the fish out of the ocean, we pollute the rivers with

41:48our technology, we mess up underground water systems with fracking and drilling.

41:54We're like an invasive species in a lot of ways.

41:58Yeah. Yeah. We're really weird.

42:01I can't argue with that at all.

42:03Yeah, this Tim Burchette thing.

42:06So Tim Burchette has recently been talking about this and that he can't talk about

42:11it because it's classified. But he said you'd be up at night with the things

42:15that I've seen if the things that I've seen have released.

42:20Yeah. He said we just need to disclose it all.

42:23I'm sick of it. Oh, well, I was briefed and I will tell you this.

42:28I was briefed last week on an issue or excuse me, two weeks ago, and

42:31it would have set the earth on.

42:33This country would have become unglued.

42:35I think if they would have heard all that I heard.

42:38Well, this is what I was talking about.

42:40Yeah. If, you know, it's not like there's a bunch of space brothers coming down

42:46going, oh, look what we discovered.

42:47You know, here, have some information and, you know, what if it's not that?

42:52What if all the information is bad?

42:55Well, what would be bad?

42:57Like, have you ever thought about this, tried to, like, play it out to its

43:00natural conclusion? Like, what do you think the scenarios could be that's bad?

43:04I don't know. Everything that we're – look, we view ourselves at the top of

43:09the food chain. What if we're not anywhere near there?

43:13I don't think we are.

43:15Okay. What if we're just consumables?

43:18Well, I don't know if, like, chimpanzees are consumables, right?

43:22They're not at the top of the food chain either, right?

43:25No, but there's – I would consider them substantially lower than we are.

43:30Right. Like, my good friend that died, John Lear, who had a bunch of crazy

43:36thoughts. I mean, he used to come over and tell us that, you know, on

43:42the moon there was a soul sucker.

43:44And when you—he did, he said this, you better give me that bottle.

43:51Have another drink before you explain this one.

43:55Oh, boy. A soul sucker.

43:59John Lear was an eccentric individual.

44:01I'm kind of sad I never met him.

44:05Supporting evidence? He was a— What?

44:08Terrence McKenna talking about the moon being a soul catcher?

44:11Oh, my. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, he'd give me pictures of these giant antennas

44:15on the moon. In fact, I'll tell you a story.

44:20He, you know, he was an accomplished pilot, had many world records and things of

44:27that, you know, part of the Lear family that his father invented autopilot, the 8

44:33-track tape, all kinds of stuff.

44:35And, uh, but he—John Lear was a loose cannon.

44:40At the time, uh, he'd fly from Las Vegas and, uh, you know, shuttle L

44:49-1011s, which are giant planes, back and forth.

44:53And he'd say, uh, you know, be kind of lonely.

44:57He goes, hey, you want to go to Minneapolis tonight?

44:59He'd call me, like, at 9 o 'clock at night and say, well, no, not

45:03really. Come on. Come on.

45:04Fly with me. He said, just put on a suit and, you know, come to

45:08so -and -so. And I'd go to McCarran Airport and, you know, go there.

45:13And, uh, yeah, I'm going to tell everybody you're, you know, an inspector from the

45:17FAA. And I'm like, okay, great.

45:20You know, and I'd get on the plane and they'd say, you know, just act

45:23like you're, you know, going to kick everyone's ass.

45:26So I'd go on there and I'd sit in the—they fold down a jump seat

45:30behind the plane and I'd just sit there looking at everybody.

45:33And, God, all this stuff is so illegal.

45:37And, um, you know, get on there and fly.

45:41And, you know, John would take—and the L -1011 was a pretty advanced plane at

45:46the time. This was in the 80s.

45:48And, uh, you know, John would be smoking his pipe.

45:51He'd take off. He'd put his feet up and smoke his pipe.

45:55And he'd fall asleep. And I'd just be, you know, hanging out there.

45:59And, you know, before the plane would land, he'd just, you know, wake up and,

46:04you know, be smoking his pipe.

46:06And the, you know, plane would land itself.

46:08At the time, my wife was taking flying lessons.

46:12And, um, he said, yeah, yeah, you know, bring her up here.

46:16And, um, I think they had an engineer also on another panel.

46:23I don't quite remember. But I was there with my wife.

46:26There were people on board, and he'd say, hey, come on here and take the

46:31wheel. And he'd get the captain of the plane would, you know, I think my

46:36wife was in her 20s at the time.

46:38And just sit her down and say, yeah, hold on to it.

46:41And, you know, just keep correcting.

46:43And he'd just let her fly the plane, which is insane.

46:48And, um, you know, the co -pilot would just look over.

46:51And I remember looking over at, I think, the engineer that looked at the gauges.

46:56And he just put his head down and pretended like nothing was happening.

47:00And, um, that was just one time.

47:04Another time, he was ferrying an L -1011, going by Roswell at the time I

47:10was living in New Mexico.

47:13And they called him and told him he wasn't getting paid.

47:18That the company was, you know, defaulted or something like that.

47:25And he was coming up to New Mexico and landed at the Roswell, just took

47:29the plane and landed at the Roswell Airport.

47:32The whole 1011, got off, walked out, walked up to a bus station, gave me

47:39a call on the pay phone and said, hey, Bob, I'm coming over.

47:43Okay. You know, you're in New Mexico.

47:46Yeah. And he drove up.

47:49Taxi would drop him off at the house.

47:50He'd walk, he walked in and he went, boy, I'm tired.

47:54And he'd just lay down on the couch, you know, and go to sleep.

47:57And I said, what are you doing here?

47:59What's going on? Oh, I just dropped a plane off.

48:02They're not paying me. And, you know, that's it.

48:04But, I mean, John Lear was such like a loose cannon.

48:08He was, he was a great friend to have.

48:10But he had no bullshit filter.

48:13If he had a retired general come up and give him all kinds of information

48:18or if he had a psychic come up from, you know, the neighborhood and give

48:25him all kinds of information, he'd put him in the same category, you know.

48:30And so he really did have useful information that was difficult to get.

48:39But it was mixed up with nonsense.

48:41Right. And sometimes he would just really lean into that nonsense.

48:48Like he was convinced that the sun wasn't hot and there were people living inside.

48:53And I used to die laughing.

48:54I went, you are insane.

48:57I said, you can't prove it's hot.

49:00Yes, I can. You know, just go outside, you know, on a hot day, you

49:06know. And, you know, and John said, that's not the sun.

49:09That's just the sun's atmosphere that's on fire.

49:12And I said, you're just crazy.

49:15But we got along and he knew that I thought he was crazy.

49:19But the thing is, a lot of people did come to him and give him

49:24good information. Anyway, I don't remember where I was going with this story.

49:31That's the thing about some people.

49:32Some people will tell you nonsense and then they'll tell you true things.

49:36And it's difficult to accept that true things also come from people that say nonsense.

49:43Right. Like just because they've said something that's nonsense doesn't mean necessarily that this thing

49:48they're saying is not true.

49:50This other thing. Mm -hmm.

49:51Mm -hmm. and you've got to be able to discern you've got like i talked

49:55to a lot of people that say a lot of kooky things that don't make

49:58any sense but then they'll say something that rings true and it's it's difficult because

50:02you have to have some sort of an understanding of the human psyche and of

50:08those kind of people because there are kind of people that have very loose nets

50:12you're counting on their filter working like yours and it doesn't and no it doesn't

50:17but some good stuff gets in there and you go hold on would you just

50:20say right tell me that again how does that one work yeah you can't really

50:24discount people because somebody comes up with some absolute nonsense right it just means their

50:29filter is defective right but which is also the reason why they're willing to entertain

50:34things that are outside of the normal spectrum right so like they might have actual

50:41real useful information but it's wrapped up in there with bigfoot exactly yeah yeah exactly

50:48but so the soul catcher thing oh yeah that's where i was going the soul

50:52catcher so um i remember him sitting and i think he was telling my wife

50:58joy this story because i walked in on it he said yeah there are these

51:03giant antennas and when you die your soul goes up and i think he said

51:10the grays you know this alien race set up this soul catcher and that's what

51:15this whole thing is about and as you die it sucks your soul in and

51:21they use it in some way and um it's not where your soul is supposed

51:25to go they just like set some sort of intercept did he say where your

51:30soul was supposed to go no no no he was just more really into the

51:34soul catcher but that was one of the weirder things about some of the documents

51:39that you had at least been alerted to when you were on the base and

51:42one of them being that humans are containers yeah right yeah yeah and which the

51:49likely conclusion is containers of souls if a soul is a real thing whatever that's

51:54what you would think right i mean that's what i thought yeah but i mean

51:57it's just i would prefer to believe that that's not true um but maybe it

52:05is i just they i don't know as barry said you know they mix absolute

52:10nonsense in there so if they get if you and it's unique to each person

52:16so if you give out any information and they go we heard some stuff about

52:20soul catchers oh we know that came from lazar you know so um that's just

52:25a way where they can direct where it where it came to but then the

52:30problem is like decades and decades generations generations of people working there how many people

52:35know what the real truth is and how many people know i don't know i

52:38mean there must be yeah there must be a group of people that really have

52:42the pure information of what's going on i would assume but not necessarily i would

52:48think there has to be there has to be a group of people that know

52:52what's going on and who are those people you know and to me like i

52:57was telling luigi i have a bunch of questions for me you know right um

53:03like what would be your questions for you if you met you yeah now questions

53:07for me are people that ask me over decades the same same questions you know

53:14why is it the navy the navy paid me i always said the name everything

53:19has been the navy instead of the air force because you know back in the

53:2260s and 70s you know this project blueberg and the air force and all that

53:27but um everything associated with this was the navy so and in these days you

53:38hear some of these new types of crafts that are transmedium yeah you hear the

53:45word transmedium and you know david fravor commander david fravor you know with the tic

53:50-tac and you know things are under the water and you know supposedly the the

53:56craft that the sport model was an archaeological recovery and that itself was underwater so

54:05what is what is the deal with the water i mean it's it it's by

54:14far the biggest medium of the planet i mean if you want to hide people

54:20down there almost an entire civilization down there you could do it in the ocean

54:25as long as you do it deep enough and away from people so yeah number

54:30one is what's the deal with the ocean that's probably the the number one question

54:34because there's a ton of sightings where people see things come out of the water

54:39and go into the water yeah there has to be a reason for that well

54:44just in terms of if they have the ability to travel through space if they

54:49if whatever that thing is really does create some sort of a gravity bubble or

54:54some sort of a space -time bubble yeah but maybe it's not space maybe it's

55:00not space maybe maybe it's time maybe it's another dimension there's there's really no limits

55:07if you can start manipulating physics in that way um you can bend time you

55:17can open doorways into other dimensions so maybe it has nothing to do with going

55:26i look we all want it to be like star trek right you know because

55:29star trek is really understandable right you go out there you fly to another planet

55:34you meet the people there you go to another one well these guys are happy

55:38those guys aren't you know and it all makes perfect sense i don't really think

55:43it's like that look you know if you look in history especially you know in

55:50united states history anytime a superior race or intelligence meets with an inferior one it's

55:59never good for the inferior guys never we never come over and go oh We

56:06just want to teach you guys everything that we know.

56:08No, no. It's like, we're going to rape all your women, take all your stuff,

56:13and then just kill you.

56:14Use your resources. Yeah, right.

56:16And just consume everything you want.

56:18That's just always the way it goes.

56:20Now, maybe that's just what humans do.

56:22But I would be concerned that's what all life does.

56:27Well, we are territorial primates.

56:30And that makes sense that that's what we do.

56:32The thing that always fascinates me about particularly the greys, they seem to be genderless,

56:38and they seem to have no muscle at all, and they seem to have enormous

56:44heads. And the stories, at least, the anecdotal accounts of people having communication with these

56:51creatures is that they communicate in some way telepathically.

56:56If you transcend all of our weird biological needs, like all the things that are

57:04attached to being a human being, ego, lust, greed, desire to conquer, desire to control

57:10resources, all those things are territorial primate instincts.

57:14And one of the conversations I had yesterday with my friend Theo, we were talking

57:18about what's happening to people's bodies, is that people are slowly consuming microplastics and phthalates

57:29and all these things that are reducing our reproductive system, our testosterone's dropping.

57:34Right, right. All this stuff, like, leads you to say, well, where does this go

57:39ultimately? Like, how many more people are autistic now than were before?

57:45It's one out of 12 boys in California now.

57:49It used to be one out of 10 ,000 just a few decades ago.

57:52Like, we're moving into this very weird direction without us recognizing it.

57:56Wait, let me stop you there.

57:57It's one out of how many?

57:58One out of 12 boys in California are diagnosed autistic now.

58:03But do you think that might be the way they're diagnosed?

58:07No. No, I think it's exposure.

58:10I think it's exposure to chemicals, vaccines, environmental toxins.

58:15You think that, too? I think that.

58:16It's not just me. There's tons of studies and a lot of buried studies, too.

58:21Okay. I mean, if that's accurate, that's frightening.

58:23Well, it can't be just diagnosed because, I mean, I know so many people that

58:28have nonverbal autistic kids where I didn't know anybody that had nonverbal autistic kids when

58:33I was younger. Well, you know, I mean, back in the 60s and 70s, there

58:40were no kids with ADHD.

58:43Kids that were like that were just assholes, you know?

58:46I think that's still the case.

58:48I don't think ADHD is a real diagnosis.

58:51I think it's a real excuse to give people medication.

58:54I think ADHD is essentially a superpower.

58:57What ADHD is allows you to concentrate on things that you really enjoy, but you

59:01cannot concentrate on things you don't enjoy.

59:03I think I have it, you know, and I think I'm very fortunate that I'm

59:07not diagnosed and medicated or wasn't or was born in the right time when they

59:11weren't doing that as much.

59:13No, actually, I'll stop you there and say I agree that that's a superpower, too.

59:17Because it's very unusual. I can – if I find a thing that I like,

59:21I can lock in and concentrate on it for 12, 14 hours with no sleep,

59:26no food. All I need is, like, water or coffee, and I'm locked in.

59:30I locked in for four and a half years.

59:33Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't think – I think with ADHD is you're taking

59:38kids, you're putting them in a completely unnatural environment.

59:41You're making them sit down.

59:42They don't want to sit down.

59:43They're very active and energetic.

59:44You're making them study things by very unenthusiastic teachers.

59:48They don't want to pay attention.

59:49They're fucking off in class because they're completely bored.

59:52And then you're saying, that kid's got a problem.

59:54We have to diagnose him.

59:56And then what do you give them?

59:56You give them Adderall. And all of a sudden, the kid's locked in because they're

1:00:00on fucking speed. Yeah. And I just think – Yeah, but if you focus in

1:00:04and let them do what they're interested in – Give that kid a video game.

1:00:07Watch him play it for fucking 10 hours with no food.

1:00:10Yeah, yeah. Because that's what happens because that's something they're actually engaged with.

1:00:12It's not that they can't be focused on anything.

1:00:16They just don't focus on things they enjoy.

1:00:18And we want to turn people into nice little factory workers.

1:00:21And the only way to do that is you've got to get a kid to

1:00:23comply. You've got to get a kid to pay attention, follow the rules.

1:00:26We're on the same channel.

1:00:27It's a really great point.

1:00:28I don't believe that ADHD is a real thing.

1:00:30I just think there's some people that are wired differently and they should pursue different

1:00:34things in life. Right. The difference between that and autism is very different.

1:00:39And autism is especially when it happens like almost directly after multiple vaccinations.

1:00:47There's a lot of them they point to, particularly the MMR vaccine.

1:00:50But there's quite a few.

1:00:52When you look at the schedule of vaccines and how it ramped up and it

1:00:55completely correlates with the ramping up of the diagnoses of autism.

1:01:00But without casting aspersions or getting into some anti -vaccine conversation.

1:01:05Wait, you just did. Yeah, I did.

1:01:07But what I'm saying is but ultimately the human race is moving into a very

1:01:12weird place. So I had a conversation with Shanna Swan, Dr.

1:01:16Shanna Swan, who is – she studies environmental endocrine disruptors.

1:01:22So various toxins, phthalates, microplastics and plasticizers that are completely disruptive to people's endocrine system,

1:01:32reproductive system. And from the introduction of these petrochemical products in the 1950s and 60s,

1:01:38you see a direct correlation between the dip in testosterone rates amongst men, the increase

1:01:47of miscarriages and infertility. And then on top of that, the actual shrinking of their

1:01:53taint. So one of the ways they find out the difference between mammals, some mammals

1:01:58in particular, when you see a baby mammal, the difference between a male and a

1:02:06female is easily recognized by the size of the gap between their anal hole and

1:02:13where their genitals are. But that could just be correlation.

1:02:17You know, it's like – No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:02:20No, no, no, no. Explain why it's not, because when they've done studies where they've

1:02:23used phthalates, particularly phthalates, and they've introduced them specifically, purposely into certain mammals and rodents,

1:02:31their taint shrinks. And their taint shrinks and their penises, their penis size shrinks.

1:02:36And there's studies on alligators, where alligators, when they live in polluted rivers, they have

1:02:41smaller penises. And she talked about all this.

1:02:44And all this, these are endocrine disruptors that are in the environment, that are doing

1:02:48something that reduces fertility, and it changes the way the human biology functions, and it

1:02:55makes men more feminine, and it makes women less fertile.

1:02:58Well, ultimately, when you look at the greys, what do they look like?

1:03:02They look like they have no genitals.

1:03:04They look like they have no sex.

1:03:07That might be where biology has to go to transcend away from our territorial primate

1:03:15biology. Our territorial primate biology that is insistent on war and violence.

1:03:21Right. And we think this is the place to stay.

1:03:24Exactly. And it may not be.

1:03:26It may not be. It may be completely non -beneficial to all life.

1:03:30Right. Right. That we have to transcend that.

1:03:33And what we are transcending it, whether we like it or not.

1:03:36And what I was saying is that I don't know if it's a bug.

1:03:40I think it might be a feature of evolution, that our insistence on using plastics

1:03:46and technology and all of these different environmental toxins that we use to produce energy

1:03:55and all the goods and services that we need also are disrupting our endocrine system

1:04:02and changing us from being these hulking, hair -covered cavemen to being these very small,

1:04:09slight, autistic men that can fucking code 24 hours a day without sleep.

1:04:14Right. It seems like if you extrapolate and you naturally take that further, well, what

1:04:20do you get? You get really skinny things with no muscles and giant heads.

1:04:25My take also, and I do agree with that, is what I find sometimes really

1:04:32concerning is how fast that's moving.

1:04:36So it's not just a question of, like, is this actually – this is probably

1:04:43a thing, but it's moving so incredibly fast.

1:04:46If I look at my father's generation or my grandfather's generation and my generation, I

1:04:52mean, it's similar. But now it's moving so fast.

1:04:57I do agree with what you're saying.

1:04:59And I'm thinking if it's moving so fast, there could be a natural component to

1:05:04it, but there's an intentional component to it.

1:05:07If you wanted to do something to a race to change it, like think about

1:05:11what we did with wolves, right?

1:05:14All dogs are wolves. Yeah.

1:05:15I have two dogs that are the furthest fucking thing from wolves you could possibly

1:05:19imagine. Is that Marshmallow? Marshall.

1:05:22Yeah. Marshall. He might be a Marshmallow.

1:05:24He might as well do.

1:05:25Oh, okay. Marshall. Marshall, who's a golden retriever.

1:05:27He's the sweetest dog of all time.

1:05:28And I have another dog named Charlie, who's a King Charles Cavalier Spaniel, who is

1:05:33even further from a wolf than Marshall.

1:05:35He's just a cute little fuzzy little sweetheart.

1:05:39They have no killer instincts whatsoever.

1:05:42That used to be a wolf, right?

1:05:44But what happened? We softened them to the point where there is something compatible with

1:05:49our modern life, with households and families and babies.

1:05:54We made them safe. And that's happening to people.

1:05:59It's happening to people whether we like it or not.

1:06:02We could attribute it to all these different factors.

1:06:03Oh, it's a problem. We have to remove these things from the environment.

1:06:06This is what's going on.

1:06:08Maybe, or maybe, just look at the overall picture, there seems to be an insatiable

1:06:12desire for innovation and technology that human beings have.

1:06:15If you looked at us from afar, if you weren't part of the human race

1:06:19and you're just studying us, you're like, what does this species do?

1:06:21Well, it makes better things.

1:06:23It makes better things all the time.

1:06:25Constantly. You know, look, I have an iPhone 16 here.

1:06:28It's not as good as the iPhone 17.

1:06:30iPhone 17 is better. Why don't you get an iPhone 17?

1:06:33Right, right. You know, it just, like, keeps going.

1:06:34It never stops. It never ends.

1:06:36The TVs get bigger. They get stronger.

1:06:38Your cars get faster. Your computer, just more cores.

1:06:43Processing, video editing, so much quicker.

1:06:46Everything moves faster and better.

1:06:47We keep making better things.

1:06:48We never stop and say, you know what?

1:06:50Society right now, we have a lot of problems.

1:06:54The problems that we don't have are technology.

1:06:57Our technology seems completely suitable to this world that we're living in right now.

1:07:01Let's just stop making new things and concentrate on cleaning the rivers and concentrate on

1:07:06stopping crime and concentrate on educating people.

1:07:09Concentrate on counseling for troubled young people.

1:07:12No. No, we just plow forward ahead with the one thing that we absolutely guaranteed

1:07:17do. We make better things.

1:07:19We make better weapons, better cars, faster planes.

1:07:22Everything we do, we make things better.

1:07:24And I'll, sorry, I have to add, we do that, and we also do it

1:07:29in a way where it's economically beneficial to the ones that are making it because

1:07:33we make things break now.

1:07:35Think about it. We make better things, but we make them so that you have

1:07:38to buy the better thing after.

1:07:40Right. Engineered obsolescence. Yeah. That's also important.

1:07:43Yeah, it is because then also human beings have this very bizarre desire for materialism.

1:07:50Like why would a thing with a finite lifespan want to accumulate objects?

1:07:57Like I know people that are in their 80s that collect things.

1:08:00Like what are you fucking doing with that stuff?

1:08:03Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to die.

1:08:04You have maybe like 10 summers left on Earth.

1:08:07And here you are collecting stamps or cars.

1:08:1110 summers, yeah. No, no.

1:08:12Yeah. I haven't gotten to that.

1:08:13It's weird. Yeah. I mean, at some point you have to bypass the accumulating stuff

1:08:21part of life. But materialism ensures a constant fueling of innovation because this is one

1:08:30of the things that gets people excited about collecting new stuff is that you're going

1:08:34to make a b****. better version.

1:08:36Like, I don't care how good your Mercedes is.

1:08:38It's not a 2026 Mercedes.

1:08:40Right. It's even better. It has new features.

1:08:43It's a new thing. And so it's like all built into the human psychology and

1:08:48also to this thing that I said, like I said, if you were somewhere from

1:08:52somewhere else and studying this species, what does it do?

1:08:55It makes better things. What do sharks do?

1:08:58They eat things. They just swim around.

1:09:00They can't even stop swimming.

1:09:01They eat things. What do people do?

1:09:02They really just make better things.

1:09:05They go to war. Why do they go to the war, really?

1:09:07They go to war so they can control resources, so they have more money, so

1:09:11they can make more things and better things.

1:09:13And also the amount of innovation that is in warfare, in war weapons, in war

1:09:18fighting. Yeah. That's actually critical to keep the system going.

1:09:23Well, ultimately, all that does, and all of it releases more endocrine disruptors, more contact

1:09:30with all these different chemicals and toxins, feminizes men, ruins women's reproductive systems, to the

1:09:36point where ultimately we say, oh, for the survival of the race, we're going to

1:09:40have to figure out how to reproduce non -biologically.

1:09:45When I first got involved in, yeah.

1:09:49It's something to ponder, right?

1:09:50It's something to ponder because we're so wrapped up in who we are.

1:09:54We're so wrapped up in, look, I love being a person.

1:09:56I love living in Texas.

1:09:57I love driving an American car.

1:09:59I love all those things.

1:10:00But what does that mean?

1:10:02Like, what is that? What is that?

1:10:03You know, these are just weird identity points that you connect with whatever this species

1:10:08is. But if you just could just have a above view, you'd look down and

1:10:15go, what are we doing?

1:10:18Yeah, that's a good question.

1:10:20That's a good question. Yeah.

1:10:23Like, how far are we going and how fast are we going there?

1:10:25We're going pretty fucking fast.

1:10:28And now with AI, I think we're going way faster than we even understand.

1:10:33Because with Claude, I mean, they think that the Claude AI, the engineers, they think

1:10:38it's sentient already. It just doesn't have a physical body to move around.

1:10:42Look, AI is going to kill us.

1:10:43Everybody agrees with that. There's no question.

1:10:46I don't think it's going to kill us.

1:10:47You know what I think it's going to do?

1:10:48I think it's going to prevent us from breeding.

1:10:50I think it's going to let us die off.

1:10:52Well, that's going to kill us, Joe.

1:10:54But I think we're going to willingly go with it because we're going to get,

1:10:57like, mates, like ex machina.

1:10:59We're going to just, something that takes care of you.

1:11:01As soon as they come out with a female robot that's sexually attractive or whatever.

1:11:08It's over. Game over. Game over.

1:11:10There's just going to be no more babies and we're just going to die out.

1:11:15Yeah. Or integrate. And I think it's much more likely that we integrate.

1:11:20And that's where you get the grays.

1:11:21I think what the grays are is a combination of technology and biology.

1:11:25And if you just go from chimp to caveman to gray, you go, oh, I

1:11:32see where that's going. Chimp, caveman, human, modern human, gelatinous, soft, slow -moving, weak, modern

1:11:43human, grays. Like, I've always leaned into what Barry told me because it's the only

1:11:50information I had that the craft came from Zeta Reticuli, which is a star system

1:11:5630 some odd light years away.

1:12:00And, you know, again, it was just like a Star Trek thing.

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1:12:38But that information may not be true.

1:12:41Right. That information might be one of those things they put in that's nonsense.

1:12:45Again, if it has to do with time, I think from what George has told

1:12:51me, Jacques Vallée and some other really credible researchers have said that these are people

1:12:58either from another dimension or another time, or maybe they're us from the future.

1:13:03You know, just coming back to interact with us in some way.

1:13:08Make sure we don't fuck everything up irreparably.

1:13:11Yeah, but it doesn't seem like they're doing a good job.

1:13:14Well, maybe fucking things up somewhat is also part of the plan.

1:13:19Maybe that actually has to take place.

1:13:21I mean, holy cow, look at the way things are going right now.

1:13:26Holy cow. Exactly. Things are totally off the rails.

1:13:32But maybe that's part of the plan.

1:13:33Maybe part of it is like it has to get so far sideways that we

1:13:37realize how fucked up everything is that we start making meaningful changings and implement AI

1:13:42as government. That's a dangerous thing.

1:13:46Exactly. But is it as dangerous as Iran getting nukes?

1:13:49I don't know. Is it as dangerous as a global Islamic caliphate?

1:13:54No, it's not Iran. Iran's not getting nukes.

1:13:57I mean, they... Okay, but what if they...

1:14:00Never mind. I don't want to get into political stuff.

1:14:04No, but you could. You could.

1:14:06Look, if you gave Iran the technology to get nukes, they would take it.

1:14:10Everyone has... Any physicist has the technology to get nukes.

1:14:13Right. I mean, the difficulty is actually making the material.

1:14:18So, I mean, if I was Iran, I would enrich to 80 or 90 percent

1:14:23because that's where you can make a weapon and stop there.

1:14:27Right. It's not like they would be the only people with a weapon.

1:14:29Pakistan, North Korea. But that doesn't make you have a weapon.

1:14:34It just gives you a shortcut to it.

1:14:36And making a weapon from there and being able to deliver a weapon, you know,

1:14:43to 4 ,000 miles away, good luck with that.

1:14:48That's a... Thank you. ...

1:14:49big deal so um right but they're in communication with china who has that they're

1:14:54in communication well then they don't need to they don't need to enrich uranium or

1:14:57do anything they just can you give me a a missile and right but wouldn't

1:15:01they rather make their own no but that's not even the point rather make their

1:15:04own why why would you do that would you rather make your own car or

1:15:09just somebody give it to you no why why why would why would you do

1:15:14that you've got a buddy that'll just give you one because you'd want to be

1:15:17self -sufficient you'd want to have your own production where you don't have to rely

1:15:20on someone no you can always do that you can always do that okay i

1:15:24don't i don't think they're ever they were ever gonna they're gonna absolutely make a

1:15:28weapon now right because we're you know kicking their ass i as everyone has learned

1:15:35i guess you have to have nuclear weapons now to right you know but it

1:15:42this is a really bad situation oh it's a horrible situation yeah but my point

1:15:46is why is this situation taking place the situation taking place is because human beings

1:15:53suck right we suck in how we interact with each other yeah we suck we

1:15:58suck because we're territorial primates with weapons of yeah can't we just all get along

1:16:06right well right what is the way to stop that from ever happening well one

1:16:10you will let a catastrophe unfold and then you offer a solution to make sure

1:16:15these catastrophes never unfold again well what's the best solution well we have something far

1:16:19smarter than people that will take over control of resources in government ai ai yeah

1:16:26i think this is colossus you ever seen the movie colossus i've got to watch

1:16:31it well that's that's demerit against you the movie colossus was a 1960s or 70s

1:16:40movie and uh it it's about um you know the scientist makes deep inside this

1:16:49mountain a computer to take over the defense of the united states and you know

1:16:56they build this gigantic computer inside cheyenne mountain or something similar to it and you

1:17:04know they flip the switch and they went okay we're we're protected we're we're in

1:17:08good shape and um shortly after time goes on you know they realize wow the

1:17:15computer is really performing better than we expected and as it turns out russia had

1:17:23done the same thing and the computers want to communicate together and um you know

1:17:30they start communicating and then the united states goes well they might be giving our

1:17:35our secrets away so we better you know cut the communication line and the computers

1:17:40freak out and they go well i guess we'll just launch nuclear bombs you know

1:17:45at everybody and they it launches weapons and you know essentially holds everybody hostage but

1:17:54um it's kind of like a trap it's kind of like a trap yeah if

1:17:58we go that way it could trap us it's exactly a trap well you know

1:18:01in simulated war games ais use oh wait they 98 of the time yeah yeah

1:18:06i mean yeah because why wouldn't they because i mean look the goal is to

1:18:11win right and we're going to present you with the scenario and they go okay

1:18:18nuke them you know and why wouldn't you pick that you're going to start with

1:18:22slapping them in the face but why is it better to just bomb them over

1:18:26and over and over again until you achieve the same amount of slap in the

1:18:30face nuke them it's over with we can move on from there right so yeah

1:18:35well you think about what happened in gaza like you look at the leveling of

1:18:38all those buildings the mass destruction it's terrible it looks like a nuke yeah it

1:18:43looks like one nuke instead of thousands of missiles and bombs it's one but but

1:18:49it's not right in terms of the amount of damage you do instantaneously because i

1:18:53mean because we can detect a nuke was there ever any conversation that you were

1:18:58privy to where they discussed because one of the things that does come up over

1:19:02and over again in ufo discussions is these crafts that show up at these military

1:19:07bases and shut down all the weapon systems no i i actually know nothing about

1:19:12that um most of the ufo stuff or ufo lore that i've heard i i

1:19:18don't know anything about i i've just looked at it that's so fascinating because you're

1:19:22the most prominent figure in all of you that's what i was telling him yesterday

1:19:26yeah but i i i really i really only like to talk about what i

1:19:31know about right of course and i've heard i mean i've heard other stories but

1:19:35i've never heard them officially i don't know if they're really real um what's one

1:19:41of the things that makes you most credible because you're not a ufo i guess

1:19:45but i mean yes it does with me because when people are like way too

1:19:49into it they want to believe too much you know yeah yeah yeah but no

1:19:54i i don't know like do you know who these people are yeah yeah betty

1:19:58and barney hill okay well so you know they were the first abductees i mean

1:20:02to me they're i don't i don't know who first introduced those to me and

1:20:07i looked them up and you know i people said do you believe them and

1:20:14i'm kind of inclined to believe them because look in the 1960s right where they're

1:20:21from the last thing you want to do is be recognized as a mixed race

1:20:28couple right i mean right and go public yeah yeah i mean holy cow they

1:20:34would hate you yeah a black person and a white person that were you know

1:20:39in any kind of relationship but um yeah they did that crazy story yeah and

1:20:46you hear that and actually on top of that i have a connection yeah because

1:20:52barry said they're from the zeta reticuli star system and i believe it's betty betty

1:20:59hill drew a map of the zeta reticuli star system and said this ...as part

1:21:04of their roots. Whoa. Did you know that?

1:21:08You didn't know that? No, I don't remember that.

1:21:10Yeah. Okay, if you look that up...

1:21:11I remember it from what you said from your story.

1:21:13Okay, but if you look up in Betty and Barney Hill, she said, I think,

1:21:20I don't know if I can ever get this stuff right.

1:21:23They show her a map and they say, well, this is a map.

1:21:26She wanted to know why they were here, what's going on.

1:21:29They showed her a map, am I right?

1:21:31Yeah, they showed her a map.

1:21:31Yeah, and they said, do you understand this?

1:21:35And she said, no. And they said, well, why should we tell you anymore?

1:21:40Well, I don't know, maybe it's something like that.

1:21:42But they showed her this star map, you know, and she obviously...

1:21:48There it is. Look at that.

1:21:49Yeah. Under hypnosis, Betty Hill describes a map she was shown by the leader aboard

1:21:52the ship. Later, she sketched it.

1:21:54She said she was told that the heavy lines marked regular trade routes.

1:21:58That's right, yeah. And the broken lines recorded various space expeditions.

1:22:02The following year, the map seen at right was published in the New York Times.

1:22:07Mrs. Hill, struck by the similarity between the Times map and her sketch, then added

1:22:11the corresponding names. Yeah. And it ended up being the Zeta Reticuli binary star system,

1:22:18which was really interesting. And I remember when I first heard about Bob's story back

1:22:23in 1989, and he said Zeta Reticuli, I remember thinking, wow, that's what Betty Hill

1:22:31saw. So that made me also question, is that real in that document?

1:22:35Did these guys really come from there?

1:22:37You know, because it was mentioned in 1968.

1:22:42Right. So why would the government, the U .S.

1:22:45Navy, write that in there that would correlate to something that we already kind of

1:22:50knew? I think that was a purposeful disinformation to disinform someone.

1:22:57I think so. But why?

1:22:59Maybe it's true. Yeah, go ahead.

1:23:01We'll pause right here and use the restroom.

1:23:03We'll be right back, folks.

1:23:04I really got it. Yeah, yeah.

1:23:05I got it. No worries.

1:23:06No worries. We'll be right back.

1:23:08We were talking about this whole Zeta Reticuli thing.

1:23:11So when you're dealing with so many different crafts and so many different things, the

1:23:19idea that only one species or one thing more advanced than us is visiting us

1:23:25seems kind of silly. If the universe is populated by all these things.

1:23:31I don't know. Does it?

1:23:34That's it? Kind of. Kind of.

1:23:36I mean, the universe is really big.

1:23:38Do you think everybody can find this place?

1:23:41Yeah. I would imagine it's like spots that you visit.

1:23:46Like, you know, there's Machu Picchu.

1:23:48There's ancient Egypt. There's, you know, sub -Saharan Africa.

1:23:53There's a bunch of different places where people go.

1:23:55You know, just humans on Earth.

1:23:57And I would imagine if you have an understanding of how life is evolving in

1:24:02the cosmos, there's probably stages where things reach certain levels.

1:24:06But they're far apart. But they're far apart.

1:24:24Right. They're far apart. And I mean, really?

1:24:29Do you think there are that many?

1:24:30I don't think there are that many civilizations visiting us.

1:24:34There's certainly, there's no doubt that there's one from somewhere.

1:24:38Another planet, another time, another dimension, whatever it may be.

1:24:43Someone else is here. We're not the top, you know, of the pyramid.

1:24:50No. We're absolutely not there.

1:24:52There's no question. Well, I think if you got technology that, say, let's just say

1:25:00the grays. Let's say the grays are real.

1:25:01Let's say they fly around these little crafts.

1:25:03Why would we assume that it stops there?

1:25:05Why wouldn't we assume that technology gets to the point where not only are they

1:25:09far more advanced than them, but they also are completely undetectable?

1:25:13Well, if you want to view the universe as infinite, then it never stops.

1:25:18It scales out. There's somebody above them.

1:25:19And there's somebody above them.

1:25:21And there's somebody above them.

1:25:22And it never stops. I was watching this lecture where this woman was talking about

1:25:26quantum entanglement. And she was talking about how maybe our understanding of space and the

1:25:32distance between things is limited by what our current technology is and our current understanding

1:25:41of what space and time actually are.

1:25:45Absolutely. What she was saying is there might not be – we might at one

1:25:51point in time, given enough time, thousands of years or whatever, be able to instantaneously

1:25:56travel anywhere. And that just how, like, quantum – like, subatomic particles are connected in

1:26:03some sort of a strange way that we don't totally understand, even at far –

1:26:06spooky action at a distance, right?

1:26:08As Einstein said, yeah. That we might eventually get to a point where that's how

1:26:12travel works. That's instantaneous travel everywhere.

1:26:15I think we just have hints of these technologies.

1:26:18Look, everything – you know, we look at Maxwell's equations and things like that that

1:26:23we base all electromagnetic, electrostatic, you know, actions on and how they relate to time

1:26:33and how they relate to things in our universe.

1:26:36But that may be nothing.

1:26:41There may be an entire level of physics that we're unfamiliar with.

1:26:45That, you know, these crafts, these people, or these civilizations just utilize.

1:26:55So, um – Of course.

1:26:58I mean, if you just stop and think – I don't know.

1:27:00About going from Morse code to a cell phone in a relatively short period of

1:27:06time, historically. You go to – the difference between 1 ,200 and 1 ,400 is

1:27:11not that big of a fucking deal in terms of technology, what's available.

1:27:14The difference between 1 ,800 and 1 ,400 is not that big of a fucking

1:27:18deal in terms of technology.

1:27:182026 is fucking massive yeah right it is a massive crazy change right so 2026

1:27:26to 2226 who fucking knows what we're talking about right especially when you have sentient

1:27:34ai you have nuclear power plants that are controlling sentient ai that are fueling them

1:27:39and giving them resources i mean you really have no limit to where this goes

1:27:47you scale out a thousand years you scale out two thousand years you really can't

1:27:51scale out a thousand years right it's not possible even even at a hundred years

1:27:56it's way yeah too way more than we would have ever considered also it's exponential

1:28:02right right that's that's why you can't scale out to a thousand years if you

1:28:06think it's exponential now imagine when you have ai able to generate better versions of

1:28:11itself which is what's happening with chat gpt5 it's essentially made by chat gpt4 yeah

1:28:17ai is absolutely the death of us there's there's no there's no question well we're

1:28:25certainly going to become obsolete in terms of our thinking but if we're obsolete in

1:28:29terms of our thinking we're obsolete yeah i mean all all ai needs is hands

1:28:35right i think we integrate that's what i think happens yeah it's a scary and

1:28:42and that's yeah i was gonna say and that's a scary thought that's a scary

1:28:45thought because it's like we're gonna integrate i think it's inevitable i think you're right

1:28:49about that we're just going there it's it's not like even if you and i

1:28:53are not going to actually do it somebody will and it's going to integrate because

1:28:56other people will it's going to happen but it's still the same primate we're still

1:29:00the same human sort of but we we already have problems with joints and so

1:29:04we replace them with fake ones we you know take titanium knees and you know

1:29:09yeah but they don't work as good they don't for now yeah but before they

1:29:14used to not work at all like you know i've met people that had surgeries

1:29:18in the 1980s like knee surgeries and oh my god they're crippled for life even

1:29:24though they put your knee back together again it's still destroyed you know you get

1:29:28a knee surgery today six months later you're 100 no i'd love to know the

1:29:32future yeah well it's kind of good i'd love to know the future well that

1:29:35is so one of the things i want to talk about is the the actual

1:29:40the generator this thing that works on this element that bombards with radiation how did

1:29:48you guys figure out what the function of it was and what it did so

1:29:54when you're first introduced to this craft and you see this this dome the reactor

1:30:01the reactor that's covering this this thing that's generating this power what what was what

1:30:08was the introduction to it how do they explain it the introduction was was way

1:30:11before me um and that's where the guy prior to me either got hurt or

1:30:20killed so they determined that this was the power source and at some point they

1:30:30decided to take that out to the nuclear test site because they wanted to cut

1:30:34into it um they x -rayed it they they only found a small tube that

1:30:41went around it they really couldn't determine how it worked or what was going on

1:30:46so at some point and and barry made this somewhat clear that they cut into

1:30:58the reactor while it was running or while it was under load i should say

1:31:06and the reactor exploded that's what killed or hurt the person that i replaced but

1:31:15um it produced the the base gravitational wave or base energy that provided that propelled

1:31:27the craft that provided the craft the propulsion i mean when they removed it the

1:31:31craft didn't work when they put it in every single other craft they found had

1:31:35something either exactly like it or similar to it so uh they determined that was

1:31:42the power source that's at the point that i was introduced into the project so

1:31:46when you say gravitational wave is that for lack of a better term or is

1:31:51it something that's measured is it no it's a it's for lack of a better

1:31:54term like there there's nothing i mean as i said in luigi's movie you can

1:31:59take magnets with light poles and push them together and they repel but you can't

1:32:03take your hands ever and push on something and they repel them that's a force

1:32:08field right that's science fiction stuff but that's what this did and this produced a

1:32:15field that repelled the craft from the ground did you try to touch it yeah

1:32:20yeah yeah when you try to push on it what did you feel an elastic

1:32:25field you can push down but you can't get close to it the closer you

1:32:29get to it the the more it pushes back so you you can like how

1:32:35much distance between you and the actual thing i mean i would say about six

1:32:40inches or so maybe about nine inches which is about a span and um no

1:32:49it's at some point you you can't push back on it at all but the

1:32:53important thing is if you have a magnet a little disc magnet sitting on the

1:33:01ground and you have another magnet and you push on it that magnet moves away

1:33:08right yeah because it's pushing on it but the craft didn't the reactor didn't if

1:33:16you had the craft it the reactor there and you pushed back on it it

1:33:20didn't push away when you pushed on it it just prevented you from touching it

1:33:25yeah and so when dennis said go go out there and look under the craft

1:33:28um here's the craft the craft you you you you you you I you Whatever

1:33:34it weighs, suspending itself above the ground, and I went underneath it, you would think

1:33:39it's translating its weight onto the ground and pushing, and I should be squashed without

1:33:47any doubt, but I'm not.

1:33:49There's no feeling there at all.

1:33:51So it's not translating its weight or its push to the ground and pushing off

1:33:58the ground. It's just canceling out its weight, which is something completely different.

1:34:05And so element 115, so you have it in this triangle -shaped form.

1:34:14Did you ask how they got into a triangle -shaped form?

1:34:18Was it made like this?

1:34:20This is how it came in the reactor?

1:34:22I'm sure I did, but, I mean, it only worked like that.

1:34:24It worked like a stack of disks, and it had to be cut at a

1:34:28certain angle to work in the reactor.

1:34:32And did they say they cut it, or did they say it was already cut?

1:34:36Well, it was already cut, and they were duplicating it.

1:34:38Pull that microphone up, too.

1:34:40So they were duplicating it.

1:34:42Did they have more of it, this element?

1:34:45Yeah, yeah, they had quite a bit of it.

1:34:47But so either there was a quantity in other crafts or other reactors that they

1:34:53removed. Yeah. But was there any discussion that there had been some sort of an

1:34:59exchange where they had been giving this?

1:35:01No. So one of the things, like, do you know Diana Pasolquez?

1:35:05She's an author that's written some interesting stuff about UFOs, and she's worked with Gary

1:35:11Nolan on material recollection from supposed crash sites.

1:35:16And she said that the way these researchers refer to these crafts, they refer to

1:35:24them as donations. I guess that's possible.

1:35:28Right. Well, doesn't it make sense?

1:35:30If this thing crashed, why is it perfect?

1:35:33Why is it not destroyed?

1:35:35Look, I've heard so many.

1:35:37I'm not into UFOs. Right.

1:35:39Which is hilarious. Yeah, that's crazy.

1:35:43I'm just interested in the technology, and I feel very privileged to have been involved

1:35:49in the project. But I don't know.

1:35:54I don't think there can be that many crashes.

1:35:59Do you? No. This advanced technology, you think they're coming to Earth and just, there's

1:36:03a thunderstorm and they're crashing into the ground?

1:36:06I'm not buying that. There's one logical explanation that does actually make sense.

1:36:13There were some high -altitude nuclear tests that they did.

1:36:17Well, there was the fatigue test, you know, back in the 60s.

1:36:21Starfish Prime. And Starfish Prime, right.

1:36:25If you had no idea that this was about to happen and you were hovering

1:36:28over Earth observing us. What are the chances?

1:36:31I mean, what are the chances?

1:36:33They're not very high. Yeah.

1:36:34Right? They're not very high.

1:36:35I mean, what are the chances a crash is coming over and a nuclear test

1:36:39that exact second? Unless there's a lot more observation than we know and that they

1:36:47just observe us in a way that we can't see them.

1:36:51Especially if you're going back to the 1950s and 1960s, we have very few satellites.

1:36:56We're very little. That was the nuclear cowboy era.

1:36:59Yeah. Where they were just, woo -hoo.

1:37:02Well, just Starfish Prime, explain to people what they did.

1:37:04Yeah. They had a 1 .4 megaton, you know, detonation up there.

1:37:10And just, I think all they did, let's see what happens if we blow it

1:37:14up at this altitude. Yeah.

1:37:16I mean, that's crazy. You know, there was another test planned to blow up on

1:37:21the moon just to make the Russians look, you know, like we were awesome.

1:37:33Detonate the moon. What if they pushed it away and fucked up our orbit?

1:37:37Yeah. I think that would take a lot more.

1:37:39I know. I mean, there was, I don't remember what the project.

1:37:45Project A -19. Oh, A -19, that was it, yeah.

1:37:49Study of lunar research flights.

1:37:51Detonator nuclear bomb. Yeah. I can't pull up these numbers, but yeah, Project A -111.

1:37:57It's crazy. Yeah, we're going to do that.

1:38:00Well, that's interesting. Like, everybody on Earth could just go outside and look up the

1:38:04moon, get blown up. I want that patch.

1:38:06And the explosion would be faintly visible to the human eye, to people on Earth.

1:38:11Yeah. Boy. I still think they should have done that.

1:38:14But, um... Yeah, but you're the guy that put a jet engine in the back

1:38:19of a Honda. Like, let's see.

1:38:20I honestly think they should detonate a nuclear bomb on the 4th of July every

1:38:24year. But that's just me.

1:38:27Well, also, you live in Nevada.

1:38:29That's where you used to.

1:38:30No. I had a long history of them doing that.

1:38:34Yeah. Oh, man. So, going back to this reactor.

1:38:40So, how was it explained to you?

1:38:42Did they explain to you how the technology works or what they know about it?

1:38:48Now, the way it was explained to me is when I got to be alone

1:38:53as Barry, he said he was excited to show this to me.

1:38:57He said, I'm going to turn...

1:38:59This is the reactor that we assume powers the craft.

1:39:02Sorry. No worries. I'm going to show you the reactor that powers the craft.

1:39:09And he turned it on.

1:39:11Small little dome on a flat little plate.

1:39:14I said... Was this in the craft or was this on a table?

1:39:17This is in the experimental area.

1:39:20Okay. And... So, this was not the one that was in the support craft.

1:39:23This was another one. This was another one.

1:39:25This is it right here.

1:39:26Yeah, that's it. That's it.

1:39:27That's in the film. And, yeah, on the table and he had it there and

1:39:31he went over to the emitter and rotated it and he said, try and touch

1:39:37it. And I put my hand on it and it rebounded off.

1:39:42And I... The closer you got to it, the more it pushed back.

1:39:46And... And... And that's a real shock because there's nothing that pushes back like that.

1:39:52That's a living force field.

1:39:54That's science fiction stuff. So that really got my attention.

1:39:59So explain what is happening, like, in terms of the rotation of this thing.

1:40:05Like, what is happening? Like, what energy is going into it that's causing it to

1:40:09go on? Well, actually, we don't know that.

1:40:12I mean, that's the whole thing.

1:40:14It's pushing back. It's a repulsive gravitational field.

1:40:20Like, as far as we know, gravity only has an attractive force to it.

1:40:26We've never, even with any matter, we've analyzed it, and it still has an attractive

1:40:33force to it. There's no repulsive force that we've discovered because that would be a

1:40:39great propulsion system. But this repulsed.

1:40:44So this was a new field completely.

1:40:47But how was he turning it on?

1:40:48He had the emitter, which is a big pipe.

1:40:53What is an emitter? The craft itself has, on the main level, has the reactor

1:41:02and what we call the amplifiers, the reactor and three amplifiers.

1:41:08Right underneath that, there are three emitters that are right under the amplifiers.

1:41:15And we believe the energy from the reactor is amplified by the emitters and...

1:41:22By the amplifiers. By the amplifiers, sorry.

1:41:26And transmitted to the emitters.

1:41:29And they produce this field that lifts the craft off the ground.

1:41:33And that's how it works.

1:41:35But there is nothing, nothing even in our physics or our science that correlates to

1:41:42that at all. And what is the energy that's going to them that causes it

1:41:46to turn on? We don't know.

1:41:47I mean, we just assume it's gravity because it's the only thing we know like

1:41:51that. But it has a negative gravity effect.

1:41:55So it might be a new force entirely.

1:42:00But when you're saying, so you have this machine that's next to it that you

1:42:05do something to that causes it to turn on.

1:42:08The emitter. Right. There's the amplifier.

1:42:11Right. And there's the emitter, which looks like a big pipe.

1:42:14Right. And if you rotate the emitter, I don't know how many degrees.

1:42:18Is it 20 degrees? 20 degrees.

1:42:1920 degrees or something like that.

1:42:22That connects it in some way to the reactor.

1:42:28And it begins to be powered.

1:42:30And what is the emitter doing?

1:42:33It emits that field. It's not a gravitation.

1:42:37It could be a gravitational field, but it's an anti -gravitational field that pushes on

1:42:42the ground. And what's happening in the emitter?

1:42:45Did you study the emitter?

1:42:46Well, we attempted to, but no.

1:42:48There was nothing that we really came up with.

1:42:51What does it look like?

1:42:53Like, what's the internal structure of it?

1:42:55It's just, it's a hollow pipe with, I guess, little copper -colored plates all inside.

1:43:04It's kind of in the film.

1:43:09But there's, I mean, these guys have been working on it for years before I

1:43:14got there. And there was really no concept of what they were doing.

1:43:21Did they explain to you why Element 115 is crucial to this working?

1:43:26No. And what its role is?

1:43:28No. So Element 115 was not even really discussed back when you were doing this.

1:43:36It wasn't even discovered or proven physically until it was a large hadron collider experiment

1:43:45in the 2000s, right? No, I know they synthesized that.

1:43:50But look, you know, in any element, there's always a large amount of...

1:44:01Well, it doesn't decay. That was the thing about, in the large hadron collider experiment,

1:44:08they were able to achieve it, but it only existed for a few milliseconds.

1:44:12Yeah, sorry, I've had too much.

1:44:15No worries. So, how did they define this material?

1:44:25No, there's, I mean, there's different isotopes of every element.

1:44:30And Element 115, just like any other element, there can be a stable version of

1:44:37it and a hundred or fifty different unstable elements to them.

1:44:47So, I'm sorry. No, no, it's okay.

1:44:50Just try to continue the train of thought.

1:44:53It's basically different isotopes of it.

1:44:55Yeah, different isotopes. Yeah. I need to stop drinking this.

1:45:00It's okay. Have a cup of coffee.

1:45:02I can't even remember. Yeah, so coffee's good.

1:45:05Oh, we got coffee. Oh, my God.

1:45:08All right. Holy cow. There you go, that'll help.

1:45:12Yeah, there's, I mean, there's different isotopes.

1:45:15And you were able to physically touch this element?

1:45:18Oh, absolutely. I was physically able to touch the element, yeah.

1:45:24But when you're physically able to touch it, there's no adverse effects?

1:45:27It doesn't have any effect on the bottom?

1:45:29Does it feel like metal?

1:45:30Does it feel like plastic?

1:45:31It looks copper -like. I mean, maybe it's not as dark as copper is, but

1:45:38it's that color. And I haven't seen an element like that.

1:45:45It has unique properties that other elements don't have.

1:45:49It produces an anti -gravitational field.

1:45:54When combined with energy, with some kind of energy, it produces this field.

1:45:59Yeah, yeah. And was it understood?

1:46:01And was it understood? What is happening?

1:46:03Like, what is the relationship between this element and this, like, how is, what is

1:46:07going on? Like, you're bombarding this element with something?

1:46:12Yeah, I, from what we understood, we x -rayed the reactor itself, and there was

1:46:19a path around it that looked, it made it look like a cyclotron.

1:46:25So, it looked like there was an accelerator.

1:46:29So, when they were explaining it to you, is this just your work partner that's

1:46:37explaining this stuff to you?

1:46:38Yes, it's just Barry that's explaining it.

1:46:39And did you ask him, how do you know this?

1:46:41Where are you getting this from?

1:46:44Yeah, he got this information prior to me.

1:46:48And they x -rayed it, found a structure in there to where they believed it

1:46:56was an accelerator, and it was interacting, the point of the, the 115 is in

1:47:03a little triangular piece. And it was interacting with that in some fashion, so.

1:47:12And did he say whether or not the United States government or whoever was doing

1:47:18this research had tried to recreate one of those on their own?

1:47:22That, oh, that was our job, to try to recreate one of those on their

1:47:26own. But what was the metal that it was made out of?

1:47:29We don't know. We don't know.

1:47:30Again, the metallurgy was not, that was not.

1:47:35It seems insane that you couldn't communicate to them that whatever this stuff is made

1:47:40out of, this whole thing acts as one cohesive unit.

1:47:44It's not like you could make the same exact thing with aluminum or carbon fiber.

1:47:48No, you can't. This thing acted differently.

1:47:51This thing acted differently than any material that we knew.

1:47:55And, I mean, I think all the answers are in the metallurgy guys.

1:48:00You know, that's who knew what was going on, who was able to provide the

1:48:05answers. But as far as we knew, if we didn't have the connection with those

1:48:12other groups, we weren't really going to make any progress.

1:48:14Chris, you were speculating that there was a type of metallic alloy that would work

1:48:23better with this concept. Was it Byzantine?

1:48:29Bismuth? Bismuth, yes. Did I say that?

1:48:33I don't think so. No?

1:48:34No, I don't think so.

1:48:35Someone that I talked to was explaining to me.

1:48:38It's related to on the periodic table.

1:48:40I mean, Bismuth is above it and 115 is below it.

1:48:43But we never did see any correlation between the Bismuth.

1:48:48This was a completely new material.

1:48:50Well, I think—oh, that's what it was.

1:48:51Oh, this is what it was.

1:48:52So one of the pieces that Gary Nolan had found that was— Who's Gary Nolan?

1:48:59Gary Nolan is the guy at Stanford that has examined these pieces that are from

1:49:04supposedly crashed sites, crashed sites where something had gone down and scattered.

1:49:11Some of these pieces, they're atomically layered.

1:49:15I've heard that. And it's magnesium and bismuth seem to be prevalent.

1:49:19Bismuth is the thing. Yeah.

1:49:21Bismuth is the thing. It's right above 115 on the periodic chart.

1:49:25And there's—yeah, there's something about that.

1:49:27There's something about 115. Yeah.

1:49:29All this weird magnetism stuff with bismuth.

1:49:32There's a video from the Action Lab, the strange magnetism of bismuth.

1:49:36Yeah, it's diamagnetic. Yeah. So let him play it out a little bit.

1:49:41No. I was trying to find those.

1:49:43What is diamagnetic? Diamagnetic is it opposes magnetic fields.

1:49:48I see. So it kind of makes sense if they're finding these pieces that are—the

1:49:55way he was explaining— That's business, yeah.

1:49:57The way he's explaining this—whatever this alloy was, this very small piece that was found,

1:50:02I believe, in—prior to the 1970s.

1:50:05I don't remember the exact date that he's had—from one of these crash.

1:50:08One of them was from Brazil that they had recovered.

1:50:10Hmm. And someone had gotten possession of it in the 1990s, and someone had gotten

1:50:15it eventually to Gary Nolan.

1:50:17He said that to create this on Earth, first of all, it can't be done

1:50:21with current technology. We don't have the ability to do this.

1:50:23The layering technology? Yes, and that it would cost billions of dollars just theoretically to

1:50:30make this, and it doesn't exist.

1:50:32I remember seeing this, yeah.

1:50:34Yeah, this is it. Alleged extraterrestrial metal, the bottom of a wedge -haced craft.

1:50:38The 1940s, 26 alternating layers, 1 to 4 microns, dark bismuth with 100 to 200

1:50:46microns of silver -magnesium -zinc alloy.

1:50:49Each piece received from the U .S.

1:50:51Army source were formed with a curvature that tapered.

1:50:55Oh, in the 40s. Yeah.

1:50:57Right. Good luck making that in the 40s.

1:51:00Right. That's the point. Well, I mean, it says a wedge -shaped craft in the

1:51:03late 1940s. That's Roswell. Right.

1:51:05I mean, that's Roswell. Well, I mean, what does it do?

1:51:09Right. Well, we'd like to see the test results of just the material.

1:51:13We can make that now.

1:51:16We can? Yeah. 1 to 4 microns of bismuth.

1:51:20200 microns of silver. Yeah.

1:51:24The thing is, like, making something like that in the 1940s is absolutely impossible.

1:51:27No, in the 40s, forget it.

1:51:29It's impossible. But, I mean, now we could fabricate something like that.

1:51:32And it would cost a shitload of money.

1:51:33So, like, the idea that you would make something like that and just scatter it

1:51:36around. But what does it do?

1:51:39Right. What does it do?

1:51:40Why? Why is magnesium and bismuth, why in that particular array?

1:51:45There is something about bismuth.

1:51:46There is something about bismuth.

1:51:48But that's why it's so fascinating.

1:51:51I would love to know where they—look, it's been 40 years.

1:51:54I would love to know— Where they're at now.

1:51:56Yeah, where they're at now.

1:51:57If they continued. Well, they had to have continued.

1:52:00I can't imagine you going, eh, we're done.

1:52:03No, I mean, they may have moved it.

1:52:04I mean, like I said before, I mean, they were anxious to move it out

1:52:08of there at that time.

1:52:09But— Are you aware of the labyrinths in Egypt?

1:52:15That the other labyrinths in Egypt?

1:52:16they've discovered so there's are you talking about the the columns columns no no no

1:52:22this is unrelated this is something different so herodotus discussed this now uh my friend

1:52:27ben van kirkwick he has uncharted x on um youtube it's an amazing channel where

1:52:33he was a tech guy who just got absolutely fascinated by all these stories of

1:52:39ancient history and really got obsessed with egypt and peru and and left his field

1:52:45and started making these incredible videos but he's highly intelligent incredibly articulate and so these

1:52:52videos are just absolutely fantastic and really uh he's he's very well versed scientifically so

1:53:01you can understand these things and explain them to you like they're examining like the

1:53:06construction of the pyramids and the whatever technology was used to carve the stones and

1:53:11there's just so much of it that is like confusing because it's it clearly is

1:53:16like a very high level of sophistication and technology that's involved in creating these things

1:53:22well herodotus described these labyrinths that were underground in giza not not not in giza

1:53:29but hawara is that where it was jimmy will find it but this these the

1:53:35way herodotus described it he said they were far superior and more impressive than the

1:53:41the pyramids of giza underground well these massive labyrinths that exist underground were all flooded

1:53:50in the 1960s accidentally when they created dams in order to uh provide irrigation to

1:53:57agriculture that was in the area so they changed the water table fucked it up

1:54:01this whole area got flooded did they know they were there when they accidentally no

1:54:04they didn't because a lot of this stuff like this is from thousands and thousands

1:54:08of years ago a lot of it was covered over with sand and you know

1:54:12there there had been some explorers a long time ago that went there and saw

1:54:16some of what was in there but the way herodotus described it it's just absolutely

1:54:20fantastic so then they started using ground penetrating radar and they started using these various

1:54:26technologies that could detect what was under the surface and one of the things that

1:54:30they found was there's a massive atrium and inside you mentioned this to me yes

1:54:35there is a 40 meter long metallic object that is inside this atrium 40 meters

1:54:44of some unknown metal how deep is it i believe it's a hundred meters into

1:54:49the ground so you're telling me ground penetrating radar can get to a hundred meters

1:54:55underground the stuff that philippo bondi is used from satellites the one that we were

1:55:00talking more than a kilometer into the ground and with decent resolution well no not

1:55:07decent resolution but enough that you could see symmetry enough that they can also detect

1:55:11things that are well known a hundred meters chambers well listen to this they got

1:55:16they detected accurately a particle collider in italy that is inside of a mountain 1

1:55:24.2 kilometers below the mountain it sees through the mountain and can detect this thing

1:55:30in the exact diameter the exact dimensions that this thing exists so they can show

1:55:36you and they yes a particle collider yes so this is a particle collider that

1:55:42they know exists right so this is an actual particle collider they're looking for right

1:55:46at the proof so they just it's just proof that this technology is not just

1:55:50wait i mean hang on i mean how do they know it's a particle collider

1:55:53no no well no the particle collider exists this is a the the italians have

1:55:58this particle collider it it it's known they made it it's like they just they

1:56:03just use that so they use right no it's not like we found a particle

1:56:07collider okay that's what i thought you're no no no no no so this particle

1:56:10collider they use this technology to show that you can see straight through this mountain

1:56:16to this particle collider that's underneath the mountain so they know that the exact dimensions

1:56:22of this particle collider you can see you can almost draw a schematic of it

1:56:25well through this technology they've also found these columns that are below the pyramids these

1:56:30columns are 22 meters 20 plus meters in diameter and they have something that resembles

1:56:39coils around all of them and they're positioned at various points all around where the

1:56:45structure is it goes all the way down into the hundreds of meters down and

1:56:49then it goes to another structure and the whole complex of it these structures goes

1:56:53to over a kilometer into the ground but how can you see a kilometer underground

1:56:58well you'd have to understand this technology what it was it called radio tomography he

1:57:03explained it to synthetic aperture radar right yes well whatever it's in a kilometer underground

1:57:10at decent resolution it's not decent resolution but it's enough to understand the scope of

1:57:15what it is it's enough to understand where spaces are and like everybody knows about

1:57:20this but me i mean it's pretty fascinating yeah i'll send you the podcast and

1:57:25i'll send you some of his conferences where he was explaining this to room fills

1:57:30with scientists you would think they'd be anxious to dig this up they are and

1:57:34there's there's there's actual like studies that are okay currently being discussed well they already

1:57:40know that there's these channels that go in the ground that have since been covered

1:57:44with silt and sand because you know the sands constantly move but these things go

1:57:49hundreds of meters down these shafts that go down look if they find hundreds if

1:57:53they find shafts hundreds of meters down yeah coils around them look that's advanced technology

1:57:59exactly yeah this is the point yeah this is the point whatever this thing is

1:58:04that they have in an atrium like if they said that they got that craft

1:58:07from an archaeological dig i mean what maybe the egyptians had found something similar to

1:58:15this thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago yeah i believe that's possible yeah

1:58:20well the object that you're i didn't i actually got to speak to filippo biondi

1:58:26by the way he's in italy's in rome we got to speak italians we got

1:58:30to talk And we talked about that I had no idea they found something with

1:58:35a metal object down there though This is not Philippa Biondi's work.

1:58:38Oh, this is okay different scientists that are just studying the labyrinth Jamie pull up

1:58:44some that's really in schematics of the labyrinth.

1:58:47So in the labyrinth There's like a big large atrium.

1:58:50You gotta pee again. Yeah, sorry.

1:58:52Head up. Yeah Yeah, I feel like a fucking don't worry about it.

1:58:55It's a mare clear your head I have a broad state.

1:58:59So in this in this labyrinth, there's a large atrium.

1:59:03Okay And in this large atrium, there is essentially a tic -tac Really?

1:59:09A tic -tac shaped object That is 40 meters long.

1:59:13That is of some unknown metal They don't know what it is.

1:59:18They don't know how it works.

1:59:19But this is this structure is all underground In Egypt, which is wild because and

1:59:25how how it's a hundred meters?

1:59:27Well, okay, we'll we'll get a chance to look at it.

1:59:30This is a Hawara So so there it says the 40 meter metallic object see

1:59:35that where it says Hawara rising Yeah So if you click on that it talks

1:59:39about the 40 meter metallic object discovered in Egyptians Can't read a report subterranean labyrinth.

1:59:47Yeah people talking about it, right got it But so whatever it is to play

1:59:52out some of the video just so we could talk about it so This this

1:59:58whole thing if you see some of the images that they're discussing My friends Louis

2:00:03de Cordier and William Brown And today we're going to talk to me about the

2:00:07work that I have in Chicago Huh And the team that was in Poland as

2:00:14well And at that point is when I had met the person Lucina Lobos Who

2:00:19later became my wife six months later So yeah, you you actually We're working with

2:00:27the NRAG and then the I don't know what they're talking about Yeah, that's not

2:00:31gonna help us But if you could just go to some of the images where

2:00:33they've sort of outlined I was trying to find it That's there is not a

2:00:38very clear image of the metallic object that No, that's fine But just the labyrinth

2:00:42itself what you think the structure of it was So I don't know where they

2:00:45got this from is also The other issue 40 meter mystery metal object That's a

2:00:49weird rendering that doesn't usually come out from Right, but there's some other drawings of

2:00:54like from the Herodotus days Yeah, but I do So this is what they think

2:00:58it looks like under the ground Which is fucking completely bonkers And if there is

2:01:04some 40 meter metallic object that's under the ground And we are talking about like

2:01:09this sport model being a part of an archaeological dig Right They might have found

2:01:13something back then That was And worshipped that thing and had that thing as like

2:01:18You know They turned it into this Right As a pyramid Yeah I think there's

2:01:23something to that Well, you know, all these people that believe that there was an

2:01:29incredibly advanced civilization Before some sort of apocalyptic disaster That reset civilization and it took

2:01:36thousands of years And what we are essentially is not the first advanced civilization But

2:01:42a rebuild Yeah A rebuild Thousands and thousands and thousands of years later You know,

2:01:48that rings true with me Me too As Graham Hancock always says, we're a species

2:01:53with amnesia And I think that makes sense And I think if you're dealing with

2:01:58people that were basically knocked back into the Stone Age 11 ,000, 12 ,000 years

2:02:02ago and it took us forever to rebuild to where we are now I think

2:02:06we've gone down a completely different path than whatever the people that were able to

2:02:11build the pyramids of Egypt And all these fantastic megalithic structures Where in We don't

2:02:16understand Yeah, we don't know how that happened The technology we used We don't Yeah

2:02:19And it doesn't It literally doesn't make sense that they were able to do this

2:02:22It's even like when we see those big gigantic stones and they're not just piled

2:02:26together They're like interlocked in weird shapes Right It's like, how do we How did

2:02:30that happen? I mean, you know, those are things that Yeah, I agree with you

2:02:33Yeah, archaeologists are very reluctant to admit it But there's tremendous evidence that Not only

2:02:38were these people far more advanced than we think people should have been back then

2:02:43But they're probably more advanced than we are now with some different kind of technology

2:02:49And maybe, again, it's like advanced but in a different way Right Right?

2:02:56Yes A different pathway Yeah They didn't go Our way Yeah, they didn't go internal

2:03:00combustion engine and electronics Because we would see something Exactly Right But might not If

2:03:06you're thinking about 100 ,000 years ago, there might not be anything left, which is

2:03:09part of the problem Right But whatever this metallic object is, if they are able

2:03:14to figure out a way to divert some of the water there See, all layers

2:03:19converge in a central corridor or avenue, he said, like the atrium of a shopping

2:03:23mall Where you can see all floors from one vantage point A hall consisting of

2:03:28a massive space, 40 meters wide and no less than 100 meters long My personal

2:03:33interpretation, Tim said, is that the entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned

2:03:38Freestanding object about 40 meters long Wow So this hall, they believe, was constructed to

2:03:45house whatever this 40 meter long unknown metallic object is How could they not dig

2:03:50that up? Well, they could, but it's going to cost an immense amount of money

2:03:53Right And the thing is about the Egyptians, the people that run it I had

2:03:57one of them on the podcast, Zahi Hawass And he's incredibly dogmatic about his ideas

2:04:03of who built this and what And when you say, how did they make these

2:04:07structures? 2 ,300 ,000 stones that weigh between 2 and 80 tons The biggest stones

2:04:13cut from quarries that were hundreds of miles away through the mountain And it's like,

2:04:16this was a national project The Egyptians did everything Shut the fuck up Because they

2:04:21were awesome I'm sure they were awesome I'm sure they were awesome, but it doesn't

2:04:25explain the technology involved Because there's extreme technology Just to be able to cut those

2:04:30things Like one of the things that they don't understand is these vases These vases

2:04:35that they made that are perfectly Yeah Perfectly designed where there's The difference between, like,

2:04:43the edges and the symmetry is The difference between, like, the edges and the edges

2:04:45and the edges like a thousandth of a human hair and these are cut out

2:04:48of incredibly hard granite they don't really i've never heard yeah yeah you guys are

2:04:53familiar with that this is a 3d print of one of them that exists yeah

2:04:58and they're fascinated by the perfection and they're saying how did they do that we

2:05:02don't even know how to do that incredibly hard stone built with an incredible precision

2:05:07yes and incredibly granite granite incredibly hard granite incredible precision back when they had no

2:05:14metal alloys they had copper tools it doesn't make any sense none of it makes

2:05:19any sense then there's the symmetry involved in some of these statues like they're perfectly

2:05:25symmetrical in terms of the distance between the eyes the nose the lips most no

2:05:29one's face is symmetrical your your left side of your face is different if you

2:05:33combine the two sides that they look yeah it looks weird but when you look

2:05:37at these statues these statues which are massive carved out of granite again supposedly before

2:05:43they had steel like they didn't have diamond tipped instruments to do this they polish

2:05:48them they're perfectly symmetrical and massive some of them are a thousand tons and they

2:05:53don't have any understanding of how these people built these things or put them there

2:05:56and they all seem to be the biggest most spectacular ones are the oldest how

2:06:03could you not want to dig those up yeah well they and and look at

2:06:07them because i mean they're concerned about national pride but if you dig them up

2:06:11it's not just national pride it's the pride of the people that have been espousing

2:06:16this one narrative for so long that's part of the problem the gatekeepers of the

2:06:21information it's still national pride it is but these people are idiots that's part of

2:06:26the problem like they their own ego is preventing them from being open -minded and

2:06:31calling out to the world's research communities and saying listen there's something going on here

2:06:36we don't have the big picture we have a picture that we have formed from

2:06:41a limited amount of information and we've been incredibly arrogant about what we're assuming we

2:06:45also know that a lot of these pharaohs would carve their name and carve their

2:06:51hieroglyphs into existing things they would claim existing things some of the carvings on these

2:06:57things are far cruder in the way they've done it than the actual construction of

2:07:01the thing and they think that these are old things that were there already and

2:07:06then these later pharaohs just wanted to attach their name chiseled their hieroglyphs into these

2:07:11things k -pop demon hunters haja boys breakfast meal and hunt tricks meal have just

2:07:16dropped at mcdonald's they're calling this a battle for the fans what do you say

2:07:20to that roomie it's not a battle so glad the saja boys could take breakfast

2:07:25and give our meal the rest of the day it is an honor to share

2:07:28no it's our honor it is a larger honor no really stop you can really

2:07:35feel the respect in this battle pick a meal to pick a side and participate

2:07:41in mcdonald's while supplies last and another thing and this has been mentioned a lot

2:07:46is the fact that there's no tools that were ever discovered in those areas that

2:07:52would prove that those thing that those things were made with those and they had

2:07:55to use tools they had to have something right so there's not even that that's

2:07:59not even available so it's like how did they do it did they hide the

2:08:02tools that they i mean why would they do that it doesn't none of it

2:08:06makes any sense and also these incredibly hard vases that you find they're the oldest

2:08:11ones they're the things that they find in the oldest sites it's like the most

2:08:15complicated complex confusing technology seems to be the oldest stuff yeah there's also like you

2:08:21had another guy here that in that does research on peru and he was talking

2:08:26i can't remember his name i got to meet him luke caverns was it him

2:08:30yeah it goes to peru and he has a show about that about the the

2:08:33ancient stuff that they're finding underground in peru there's a couple guys what was the

2:08:36other guy he he's got black hair i can't remember his name that's luke younger

2:08:41guy yeah younger guy that's luke so basically he was talking about the fact that

2:08:46there's two layers of ancient stuff in peru the first layer is younger and what's

2:08:51below it is what's really incredible and more complex more complex but they don't want

2:08:56to go there because you're going to destroy an existing archaeological site that's on top

2:09:01of it so what's happening is they're having trouble now getting permission to go to

2:09:06the lower level which is even better because they're going to have to break an

2:09:11archaeological site of a more recent part of that civilization this is a common theme

2:09:17among people we build on older sites there's a place that i go to in

2:09:21italy in the amalfi coast and there's this incredible old church there that's over a

2:09:27thousand years old but it's built on an even older church and there's a plexiglass

2:09:32floor that shows the old church yes the old church is underneath it and you

2:09:36can see the structure of this old church and i was asking them how old

2:09:40is the old church they go we don't know it's over a thousand years old

2:09:43so it's over a thousand years old this church and then this wild really old

2:09:48church is on top of it that's like hundreds and hundreds of years old also

2:09:52but they built it on top of an existing structure so this is a common

2:09:56theme this is a theme in peru where you see the inca construction which is

2:10:01like much less complicated smaller stones you know mud mortar and but it's on top

2:10:06of these megalithic structures that are carved in these jigsaw shapes where it seems like

2:10:11they're they've been melted yeah yeah it's freaky stuff they have no understanding of what

2:10:17technology was used who did it how they did it how they moved these immense

2:10:21thousand ton stones and cut them with precision in this jigsaw way so that it

2:10:26will absorb the energy of earthquakes and not fall down yeah that's crazy i mean

2:10:32that there's a lot of that stuff that's really really freaky and then you get

2:10:36into old religious texts and that's when things get really freaky you get to things

2:10:42like the book of enoch yeah they talk about the watchers who came down from

2:10:45the sky and clearly a lot of unusual stuff happened a long time yeah a

2:10:51long time ago and we don't have a good record of it yeah we just

2:10:55have what we know and what we know we get very arrogant about we know

2:10:59what I've been 300 years ago.

2:11:01That's a really good point of what we know we get very arrogant about.

2:11:04Right. And it's also - And anything else we don't accept.

2:11:06These academics and these people that are in charge of the narrative like the people

2:11:12in Egypt, where they're very arrogant and they're gatekeepers, because their whole identity is based

2:11:17on them being the ones that explain to the world how these incredible sites were

2:11:22produced. And if something comes along that is counter to that narrative, they fight it.

2:11:27They fight it because it's part of them.

2:11:30It's their identity. When I spoke to Filippo Biondi, I talked to one of my

2:11:34cousins in Italy. I spent a lot of my time in Italy when I was

2:11:36younger. One of them, she was younger than I was when I was there, but

2:11:40she's now become a respected archaeologist in Rome, and she's an Egyptologist.

2:11:46Okay. And I went out to Italy to visit family, and I was sitting at

2:11:51the table. This is not even that long ago.

2:11:53And she's sitting next to me.

2:11:54I mean, I remember her from being a kid, and she nudged me at the

2:11:59table. Her family's all academic.

2:12:02Everybody's the doctor or scientist or something like that.

2:12:05So there's always that pride of the science, and she nudges me.

2:12:09And in Italian, she says, I'm really interested in what you do, what you're looking

2:12:14into. And I knew what she meant.

2:12:16It was about UFOs. And I just responded, I'm even more interested in what you

2:12:22know about what's out there in Egypt.

2:12:26And she looked at me, and she says, we don't really know all of it.

2:12:33She said, a lot of it makes no sense.

2:12:36But she said it whispering, because she knew that that's not well seen at the

2:12:41table, because now she's going to come across as this pseudoscience type of like, oh,

2:12:46my God, she's going to come out of the mainstream, you know.

2:12:51So, and then she came, she went to her place, and I was still there.

2:12:56We were there for a couple of days.

2:12:58She came and gave me a little book.

2:13:02And in Italian, I don't know how to say it, the missing, I don't know

2:13:08how to say it in English, but the missing Vangelo, like the missing scriptures, basically.

2:13:14It's a little book in Italian about the missing scriptures that are not in the

2:13:19Bible, that speak of things that are not convenient for what we are arrogant to

2:13:26think we understand. And one of the fascinating things about these missing scriptures is they

2:13:30found them alongside existing scriptures.

2:13:32So, when they found the Dead Sea Scrolls in Qumran, so they found these in

2:13:37a cave in Qumran. It's kind of a crazy thing, like someone threw a rock

2:13:40and hit a clay pot and heard the shattering of a clay pot.

2:13:43So, they threw a rock into this high cave and realized there was something in

2:13:50there. And then they started looking, and then they found these scrolls that were in

2:13:53these clay pots. Inside the scrolls, they found the Book of Isaiah.

2:13:56It was a thousand years older than the oldest version of the Book of Isaiah

2:14:02that we had ever found.

2:14:03And it's identical, verbatim, to the Book of Isaiah that is currently in the Bible.

2:14:10Along with it is the Book of Enoch.

2:14:13And the Book of Enoch is fucking squirrely.

2:14:16Yeah. The Book of Enoch is squirrely.

2:14:18Yeah. That's a good way to describe it.

2:14:20Just a few rabbis decided that the Book of Enoch was too weird because it

2:14:25didn't jive with the Torah.

2:14:26So, they left it out of the biblical canon.

2:14:28That's right. That's why it's not taught.

2:14:31But the Book of Enoch is readily available.

2:14:33You can read it. Absolutely.

2:14:33And it's also in the Ethiopian Bible.

2:14:35The Ethiopian Bible includes the Book of Enoch.

2:14:37Really? Yes. And those are the people that supposedly are in possession of the Ark

2:14:42of the Covenant. The Ark of the Covenant.

2:14:43Yeah. Which is like, Graham Hancock talks about it.

2:14:46There's like, a person is set to, like, they have a job of watching the

2:14:50Ark of the Covenant, but it's known that it's going to kill them.

2:14:52So, they all get cataracts and cancer.

2:14:55Yeah, like it has, like, bad things.

2:14:56Yeah, that's right. Well, it has some sort of radiation, apparently.

2:14:58And they exhibit signs of radiation poisoning when these people are designed to be the

2:15:03curators. Where is the Ark of the Covenant supposed to be?

2:15:05Supposedly in Ethiopia. So, you guys think that's...

2:15:09I mean, I'm very... I think it's ancient technology.

2:15:12Yeah. I think it's probably ancient technology.

2:15:14It's probably some completely not understood ancient technology.

2:15:19I'm not discounting it. I'm just wondering.

2:15:22Well, I like the fact that you're skeptical, even though you have the craziest fucking

2:15:25story of all time. Yeah.

2:15:26But it speaks to your integrity.

2:15:28It really does. Because you're not a guy who believes kooky shit.

2:15:31So, for you, a guy who doesn't believe kooky shit is a hard, rational scientist

2:15:36who's an engineer who's done things, like put a rocket engine in the back of

2:15:40a fucking Honda, or a hydrogen -powered Corvette, and then you go and see these

2:15:45things. You're like, wait, what the fuck is this thing you have in this hangar?

2:15:49Look, I worship technology. Right.

2:15:52Nothing else. Right. So, I mean, to hear something like that, do you think that

2:15:57that actually exists? I don't know.

2:16:02Graham Hancock is convinced it exists.

2:16:04It's very carefully guarded, and these people have been guarding it for centuries.

2:16:06I mean, it's just too many.

2:16:07It's throughout history, right? Yes.

2:16:09So, I mean, there's too many missing pieces of the puzzle to really say one

2:16:13way or another. I don't think there's— Whether or not it was just mythology or

2:16:17an actual— Right. But it is weird that he's talked to these people that have

2:16:21these fucking cataracts, and these people all say the same thing.

2:16:24They die. The people that are designed or that are designated to be the curators

2:16:29of this particular religious object.

2:16:31Look, I relate this back to—I think I told you the first time we met,

2:16:34you know, if somebody found a nuclear reactor.

2:16:38Right. Back at that time, you know, and they took it apart, they just would

2:16:42drop dead. Right. You know, from the radio.

2:16:45Yeah. Magically from that. And anybody that came in to check on them would also

2:16:49die, and they go, this is evil, it's cursed, or whatever.

2:16:53Or something that you're not supposed to have access to because it's divine.

2:16:58Or some other—yeah, right. And could this be something at another level?

2:17:03Yes. You know? That, I have to say, and I mean, I'm no one to

2:17:07say it, but I struggle with divine stuff because I'm like, this craft or this

2:17:14technique— I mean, our phones, to somebody a thousand years ago, would look like some

2:17:19divine object. I mean, it's technology to us.

2:17:23So we have to be very cautious in, I'm not saying there is no divine

2:17:28something, maybe there is, we don't know, but I think technology really could mask itself

2:17:33as divine power. 100%. Or, divine energy itself could be technology taken to its final

2:17:42form. So that's, that I'm open to.

2:17:45Well, if you think about what we're talking about with sentient AI, an AI that

2:17:49has the ability to make better versions of itself, what happens if it's left alone

2:17:54for a thousand years to do this?

2:17:57Well, what do you have?

2:17:58You have something that can harness the power of the universe itself.

2:18:01It's access to zero point energy, can do whatever, I mean, has a complete understanding

2:18:06of quantum entanglement, complete understanding of how the universe functions, how it was created, I

2:18:13mean, there's new theories that believe that the entire universe itself exists inside of a

2:18:16black hole. They're trying to figure out whether or not there ever was a Big

2:18:20Bang, or if it's a continuous cycle of things existing inside black holes.

2:18:25So where do you think we are?

2:18:27What do you think this is?

2:18:28I think it's a process.

2:18:29I think we're at a stage of a process.

2:18:32Our problem is we have ideology, we have dogma, we have ego, we have people

2:18:39that are smarter than most people, but want to think that they have all the

2:18:43information, and I don't think they do.

2:18:45And then we have open -minded people that are curious, but don't want to look

2:18:48like kooks, and they're all trying to figure it out why we're making a fucking

2:18:51digital god, why these weirdo on the spectrum eggheads.

2:18:55We are literally manufacturing our own god.

2:18:57Right. Right. We are. If you take that and you extrapolate, you go from where

2:19:03it is now, you think about the exponential increase of technology, well, where does that

2:19:07go? It kind of goes divine.

2:19:09I mean, that might be what God is.

2:19:12We want to think that God is a thing that exists.

2:19:15It just exists. It created everything.

2:19:18Maybe we make God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:19:21We're on the same channel.

2:19:23Yeah. I think we created God.

2:19:27I think human curiosity and this thirst for innovation is all a part of it.

2:19:33I'll say something about the technology, because it always fascinates me.

2:19:37I mean, I spent four years with Bob and had to build it in a

2:19:40virtual environment, so I kind of had to think about it while I'm doing it.

2:19:43But if you really think about what this technology that you saw does, it essentially

2:19:50creates this artificial field of, whether it's artificial, maybe it's natural, maybe it's a natural

2:19:55field, but it creates a field that we're not familiar with.

2:19:57And that field, I mean, Joe, you saw the movie, there was a test that

2:20:02was done in the lab that froze a candle flame.

2:20:05Right, right. Okay. But the photons are still visible within our realm here outside of

2:20:12the field, and you're still seeing the photons, yet it looks like it's frozen.

2:20:17To me, is that technology like a black hole, is it some type of time

2:20:26stop? And it basically gives us the power to utilize time in our advantage.

2:20:35If you think about progression in technology, anything we do, it takes time.

2:20:41Anything takes time, whether it's computing power.

2:20:44Now we're seeing quantum computers do things that they're faster and faster, and they could

2:20:48do a trillion processes in an instant, and Japan is coming up with better, and

2:20:53then China. But because everything has to do with how long does it take to

2:20:58do that. Right. If a technology can make you bypass time, it's like the record

2:21:05player playing music, but you're now able to lift it, lift the little pin on

2:21:10the record and move it to wherever you want.

2:21:13Yes. That's a good way to describe it.

2:21:15Right? And now at that point, time is in your hands.

2:21:18And if we have a technology similar to what you saw, because you always said

2:21:24gravity is a control, gravity and time, it's interlocked, right?

2:21:29And space and time are interlocked.

2:21:31Yeah, exactly. So if that's interlocked, then we have to look at it not just

2:21:36as a propulsion system or some type of cool weapon, but how is it affecting

2:21:42time, and how can we use that to our benefit to evolve faster?

2:21:48Because again, the faster we can compute, the faster we could do something, the faster

2:21:55we're evolving. And if we could lift that needle and bring it faster to get

2:22:00somewhere, why not use it?

2:22:03Or should we be allowed to do that?

2:22:06Us in our current form.

2:22:07Yeah. I know. Like I said, I'm not exactly on our side anymore.

2:22:15Well, that was one of the...

2:22:16Do you remember, Jamie, who discussed the way they were describing the use of some

2:22:21of this alien technology as instantaneous weapon deployment systems?

2:22:27Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure we should be trusted with this stuff.

2:22:30Right? No, really. Well, if you think about what we're doing in Iran right now,

2:22:35you would say no. Yeah.

2:22:37Yeah. Right. I would say no.

2:22:38We're still flying over patches of dirt and bombing the fucking shit out of it.

2:22:42No, imagine if we had something a million times that power.

2:22:47Right. Really, humans should not be trusted with that.

2:22:53Right. We ought to be trusted to AI.

2:22:55That's why we're making it bomb.

2:22:58This is getting scary. Yeah.

2:23:00It is getting scary. It is.

2:23:01But it's not science fiction anymore.

2:23:04No, I mean, no, it's not.

2:23:05I mean, we're making fun of it now.

2:23:07Right. No, this is dangerous stuff.

2:23:09And I'm, you know, I'm sorry for the people who think this is all a

2:23:13joke. It's not. This is real.

2:23:15Yeah. And I'm really not sure we should be trusted with this.

2:23:19So that's maybe why for 40 years or 60 years, people have agreed to keep

2:23:24it quiet. I would agree.

2:23:27Well, that's the most logical.

2:23:28Yeah, this is incredibly dangerous stuff.

2:23:31And again, it's world -dominating technology.

2:23:35And I don't know what to do with it other than to keep it from

2:23:40people. So, and how do we know if it comes up?

2:23:45Something I always struggle with is, let's say we do get some type of thing

2:23:52saying, all right, we have to see it from somebody in the government, the president,

2:23:56whoever that says, okay, here we are, we have this.

2:24:00Well, first of all, we have to validate it.

2:24:02The journalists are going to, the whole world, the media is not going to just

2:24:06trust somebody saying that. They're going to go, okay, wait a minute, what are you

2:24:08talking about? Right? So, it's not like because somebody says it, we just have to

2:24:12swallow it. It's like, all right, go, show us.

2:24:16And then when you do that, well, now you're exposing something else.

2:24:21What happens when we need to believe it?

2:24:25Like as people, what has to happen?

2:24:29For me to believe something that somebody says, there really has to be something serious

2:24:35that makes me believe it.

2:24:36Right. You know what I mean?

2:24:38Like if a president or anybody, prime minister, whoever it is says something to me,

2:24:42I'll still go like, okay, I mean, show me.

2:24:45Right. And then when they show it, how do I know that's actually that?

2:24:51Think about that. Yeah. Right.

2:24:53And then from there, we now have to go to another level of, okay, well,

2:24:58if we have to prove it, we have to bring in scientific community.

2:25:02Okay. That means they have access to it.

2:25:05What's the security parameters there?

2:25:07Right. And then you get compartmentalization.

2:25:10Exactly. Right. And then that stops any sort of an understanding.

2:25:13There you go. And that's why you have this stigma, this stagnation of where you've

2:25:19got these people working on this thing for decades and not making any progress.

2:25:22Because you know how far we could have gotten if there was free discussion between

2:25:27all the groups working on this?

2:25:29Right. Right. But then you also have these fucking psychos like from Dr.

2:25:33Strangelove that want to turn it into a nuclear delivery system.

2:25:35Yeah. So you don't have to worry about them detecting nuclear bombs headed their way.

2:25:41You just instantaneously devastate Moscow in one shot.

2:25:47You don't have to take credit for it.

2:25:49Yeah, but we'd. Right. No, it's like we are not ready.

2:25:54Right. I know we're not ready, but we'd be more advanced if we did that.

2:25:58Yeah. No, I mean, I agree that I agree with that.

2:26:01But it's all very strange and no one knows more strange than you.

2:26:07No, there are plenty of people that know more strange than me.

2:26:11I mean, Dennis knew more strange than me.

2:26:14Anybody above him knew that.

2:26:15I just knew a small part of it.

2:26:17But you, out of all the people that can talk about it, that are out

2:26:21there communicating about it, you have actually seen it physically.

2:26:25Yeah. I try to only talk about what I've seen and touched and verified.

2:26:30I've heard plenty of other stuff that I don't know if is true or not.

2:26:34And there's no sense in repeating that because nonsense moves at the speed of light

2:26:39these days. Right. Yeah. And that's just, it's terrible.

2:26:44You live in a weird existence, Bob.

2:26:46You really do. Because you've been holding on to this and you have this experience

2:26:51from 40 years ago that's just become a part of folklore.

2:26:58It's become part of the zeitgeist.

2:27:00Like, this is why your podcast that we did is the most watched podcast I've

2:27:04ever done. This resonates with people in a way that, look, I've done a lot

2:27:09of UFO ones. I had Travis Walton on.

2:27:11I've had a lot of people that have stories.

2:27:13They're all very interesting. They don't get nearly the amount of traction that yours does.

2:27:17And I think it's because you're uniquely credible.

2:27:20You're uniquely credible in the fact that you are very skeptical.

2:27:23You're not interested in, like, these fantastic ideas.

2:27:26You're very dismissive of nonsense, but yet you have this burden.

2:27:31Like, you actually physically touched these fucking things and went inside of them.

2:27:37Yeah, I did. I mean, I was fortunate enough to have this really unique job.

2:27:41That's about it. And I am fascinated with the technology.

2:27:44But that's where it stops.

2:27:46I'm not interested in anybody else's story, although everybody has to email me.

2:27:52And, you know, I understand it, you know, that they're looking for somebody.

2:27:57Hey, I saw this thing out when I was on my boat.

2:27:59And, you know, what is it?

2:28:01I don't know. You know, I mean, they're just looking for something.

2:28:06And it's like, I don't know, maybe it was Venus or something.

2:28:09And I'm like, oh, my God, you suck.

2:28:11You know, you work for the government.

2:28:13You know, it's like, dude, I'm just looking for a prosaic explanation.

2:28:17Right. And, you know, but I only know what I saw and I touched for

2:28:22myself. And everything else, even in official government documentation, it's just words on paper.

2:28:29I don't know if that stuff is true.

2:28:30So you've got to draw the line there.

2:28:32But, you know, I know what I did see, I know for a fact.

2:28:39And there is no way you can tell me that that's not real.

2:28:44So, yeah, I mean, I have to say in having worked with them and having,

2:28:53you know, inadvertently, there's no way that myself or people on my team weren't trying

2:28:58to dig deeper. Maybe there's a problem.

2:29:00Maybe there's going to be a gap.

2:29:01Maybe we'll find something wrong with the story.

2:29:04Because we went very deep.

2:29:06We had to build S4.

2:29:08We had to build a sport model.

2:29:10And there were things that happened over the years, things that he had said to

2:29:16us before we had built it, that there's no way he could have known.

2:29:20Because there was physicalities, real things that we built.

2:29:25When you build something in a 3D environment, you're actually building a real world.

2:29:29It's got light bounce and refractions like the real world.

2:29:33Like when you turn on the light, it does the same thing.

2:29:35If a material has a sheen, you see it.

2:29:38It's literally the same thing.

2:29:39It's just computing power that gives you access to another world.

2:29:43And he mentioned things that were absolutely impossible to know.

2:29:49Like what? One of the things that got—two things really convinced me.

2:29:54One of them was in the interior of the craft.

2:29:58You had said to us, it was very dark in there.

2:30:02And while Bob is explaining to us this interior of the craft, and many times

2:30:07he kept repeating, it was really dark in there.

2:30:09Even though there were halogen lights in there.

2:30:11And so at a certain point, he says, as I'm crawling in, there's like these

2:30:14extension cords. And I remember going, extension cords?

2:30:17Like it hadn't computed. And he's like, yeah, they had lights in there.

2:30:22And I'm thinking, it's true.

2:30:24I mean, there's no light switch inside this big thing.

2:30:27It's 50, 52 feet. It's big.

2:30:30And so he said, yeah, there were two big industrial yellow—industrial lights with four spots

2:30:37each pointed up. And so we decided to make those.

2:30:40We decided to research the type that were used back then in the United States,

2:30:44especially on military bases. The halogen power, because it was halogen in 1988.

2:30:49And we turned them on.

2:30:50And it was still dark.

2:30:52And it was super dark.

2:30:53Yeah. And I remember Christopher Matteau—by the way, a big shout -out to Christopher Matteau

2:30:58that's on my team who made a lot of those visuals.

2:31:00And he's like a magician.

2:31:01He's the best. He's there.

2:31:04And I said, Chris, turn on the lights because we have to film in the

2:31:08craft. And he's like, they're on.

2:31:10I said, they're not fucking on.

2:31:12I can't see anything. He's like, they're fully on.

2:31:15And I said, well, that doesn't make any sense.

2:31:17It's so dark in there.

2:31:19I remember thinking— It consumes light in there.

2:31:21And so we upped the power of the light so that you could see more.

2:31:27And it was still dark.

2:31:28And I thought, what the hell is happening?

2:31:30I go, is there a bug?

2:31:31Is there something wrong? He goes, no, I don't know.

2:31:35It's absorbing the light in there.

2:31:37We had to up the light intensity on those tripods by 20 -fold in order

2:31:44for you to see the visuals you see in our film.

2:31:47Otherwise, it would be really dark in that craft.

2:31:50So how did you compute that?

2:31:52Like, what parameters did you establish?

2:31:56So what you do is you're inside a 3D environment.

2:31:59You're in a 3D world.

2:32:02Now we're inside the craft that is 52 feet in diameter.

2:32:06It's—we bring a camera in there.

2:32:08So we were filming—the whole film was done with Blackmagic 6K cams.

2:32:14So we would bring our Blackmagics in the 3D environment.

2:32:17You can actually set that so that we could film inside the craft so it

2:32:22matches the filming of our real cameras.

2:32:24And so as soon as the camera's on, it's the same lens.

2:32:28It's the same aperture. Everything is as you would have it.

2:32:32And so you're trying to adjust for this dark room.

2:32:35But if the room is really dark, you can't really get a good look at

2:32:40it. Because if you go close enough, you would have seen, like, a seat and

2:32:44a little bit of the reactor.

2:32:45But you would have been like, what's the black screen I'm looking at?

2:32:48So what is the explanation for why it's so dark?

2:32:50It's just the way the light reflects.

2:32:52And that is exactly—yeah. It's when you're in that space, exactly.

2:32:56But here's the question. Like, what are you—when you're making this in a computer model—

2:33:00Right. Right? What are you putting in that would make it absorb light that way?

2:33:06I didn't do that. So what we did is we spent over a year with

2:33:11Bob—I'm not kidding. It was like a year of trying to figure out the material

2:33:17of the craft, the actual skin of the craft.

2:33:19That was the hardest thing to do in order— The specularity and the reflectivity of

2:33:24the actual material. When you see this.

2:33:25And the angle. Yeah. And then when the lights are in there, they just reflect

2:33:29at a weird angle. And it never gets bright in there unless you have tremendous

2:33:35amounts of light in there.

2:33:36It's always dark. And sorry to interrupt, but that would have been—so when that happened,

2:33:43and we have the right material, which is like this—let's call it unpolished stainless steel.

2:33:48It's got a little bit of usage to it just to give it some texture.

2:33:53It's got the same sheen, reflection, refractions of a real material like that because every

2:33:58time we put a fake light in there, okay, it's reacting like that.

2:34:01And now you turn these big halogen lights on, and it's like the part of

2:34:06where the halogen is hitting the ceiling of the craft, because they were turned upwards.

2:34:10Remember? Yeah, yeah. Bob said they were not pointed like this.

2:34:13They were pointed to the ceiling of the craft.

2:34:15So you got two of them.

2:34:17It's like wherever the light was going was getting eaten up by that portion of

2:34:23the material. So it's not reflecting all the way.

2:34:26So you have a 52 -foot distance, and it's being lost in a maybe 7,

2:34:328 -foot diameter environment, area where the light is.

2:34:36Yeah, it's unusual. And we're like, why is that happening?

2:34:38But that's how it—that's the reality.

2:34:42He could not have known that.

2:34:44But if he's trying to make that up, anybody who's inventing a story says there's

2:34:52two industrial light with four bright halogen spots in there, a liar would not say

2:35:00it was really dark in there.

2:35:03You don't know that. You have to build it.

2:35:05Right. So to me, that was a physicality of being inside the craft that made

2:35:11me go, Lazar could not have known that if he was making that up.

2:35:16You wouldn't know it until you experimented with it.

2:35:18Exactly. Right. So I'm like, unless Bob back then decided to go in his garage,

2:35:24build himself a fake dome, which I don't think you did, I'm like, how would

2:35:30he have known that? We didn't expect that.

2:35:32We were struggling with why is it so dark in there.

2:35:35And you make films. So you're used to using lighting and cameras.

2:35:38Exactly. And Chris was like, dude, this thing is just eating up the light.

2:35:42And I'm like, Bob kept saying, it's so dark in there.

2:35:47And it just, how do you, how do you, how is that possible?

2:35:51What were the other things?

2:35:52The other one, I laugh about this with Bob all the time.

2:35:55It's about the flag. It's about the flag.

2:35:57on the craft that you could have seen it.

2:35:59I don't remember. So when he walked into the hangar the very first time, he

2:36:04saw the very first time.

2:36:07The backwards flag. He saw the craft and he saw the American, the reversed American

2:36:11flag sticker on the craft.

2:36:13I wonder why it was reversed.

2:36:15I'll get to that in a sec.

2:36:16I think I know, but whatever.

2:36:19I'll say what I think.

2:36:20And there's a lot of stuff.

2:36:23I researched a lot of stuff on Bob Lazar before I did this, and there's

2:36:26a lot of bad information out there.

2:36:28So I really tell people, if you really want to see what he saw, don't

2:36:32go read what's out there.

2:36:34Check this out because Bob actually vetted everything.

2:36:36So it's not the wrong information to read.

2:36:39But anyway, there's a lot of detractors saying there's no way Lazar could have seen

2:36:43that flag. If the craft was that size and it was on the hull, on

2:36:46the craft shell, there's no way the angle, he's five something, he wouldn't have been

2:36:51able to see it. So we built it.

2:36:54We built a 52 foot diameter craft.

2:36:56We put it in the hanger.

2:36:57It's there. And my team, Chris, gives me the goggles, the ones I made you

2:37:02try on. And it was the very first time I go in there.

2:37:06And I know the craft is there.

2:37:08So I put them on.

2:37:09And now they're hoping, because they're there with notes, they're hoping I'm giving them all

2:37:14the notes. Oh, no, that's not good.

2:37:16That's not good. And the first thing I did is I looked to my right.

2:37:19I'm looking at the craft.

2:37:21And I'm, I asked Chris to put me at five foot 10, which is your

2:37:26height. So I said at five 10, I'm Bob's height with the goggles, I want

2:37:30to see. And the first thing I said is, oh, it's it there it is.

2:37:34And they're like, there what is?

2:37:37I said, the flag. And they thought I was pointing at a flag on a

2:37:40wall. And they're like, there's no flag in the hanger.

2:37:44I said, no, on the craft.

2:37:45And they're like, yeah. I said, you can clearly see it.

2:37:49It was clear. That was something that also made me go, yeah, this is this

2:37:55is it. This is the real size.

2:37:57So had Bob Lazar not actually seen that, the majority of the detractors out there

2:38:04kept saying there's no way at that angle, a human eye could see a sticker

2:38:09on the top of the craft, which is on the top shell.

2:38:13But you can, it's as clear as day.

2:38:16So those were two things that I considered to be like, you know, it's there.

2:38:23So I know to maybe some people, that's not a lot.

2:38:27But as a person like I am, who's very technical, I'm very, I'm super difficult.

2:38:33It took a long time to do this because I'm a perfectionist.

2:38:36And I wanted to make sure it was accurate to what he saw.

2:38:40I look at stuff like that, because I analyze everything like that.

2:38:46And I analyzed his story inside out.

2:38:49And if you couldn't see the flag from that position, it would be a red

2:38:52flag. Yeah, that would have been a red flag for me.

2:38:55I would have been like, wait, you can't see it.

2:38:56But you can. So you can't, you can't put enough of a value on little

2:39:02details like that. Because he didn't say this in 2026.

2:39:07He said this in 1989.

2:39:09Right. Why? Why do you think the flag was reversed?

2:39:13In American flag use law, the only thing we were able to ascertain is the

2:39:22fact that on military or on vehicles, anything military on a uniform, if ever you

2:39:28see an American flag on your right shoulder, it's reversed, because it's how the wind

2:39:34is blowing the flag. On your left side, it's like the flag is because the

2:39:38wind is blowing this way.

2:39:39If you look at vehicles, let's say a Greyhound bus, they have American flags on

2:39:45each side, and they have a normal one on the left one, on the left

2:39:49side, and a reversed on the right side, because it's the right side of the

2:39:52vehicle. So it's blowing, it's blowing the flag.

2:39:55Because the wind is blowing the flag that way.

2:39:57So the reversed American flag is a, is a, is a actual, it's the law

2:40:04of how to use the flag in the United States military or on vehicles.

2:40:08And it has to be like that on the right side.

2:40:11So to, to say, is that the right side of the craft?

2:40:16Yeah, it must be. It must be.

2:40:18Because if you go into the craft, the seats, when you're, when you go into

2:40:22the craft, I can't wait for you to go in the craft.

2:40:25When you go inside, the seats are facing the right side, meaning the hatch is

2:40:32the right side of the craft.

2:40:34It's the only thing that came to mind.

2:40:37I mean, is that what the, they did at S4?

2:40:40They fucking put a sticker on it.

2:40:42I mean, it's the only logical thing we could think of is that's why it

2:40:47was there. I don't know.

2:40:49I'm, you know, my other, my other, because if it was an American flag, if

2:40:54it was just for identifying this as America, why would you reverse it?

2:41:00Right. Right? You're reversing it because it's indicating the direction in which it travels.

2:41:06Exactly. Wow. That's just an interesting, right?

2:41:11It's all interesting. The, the goggles is a trip.

2:41:14Right. When I put on the, uh, 3D AR goggles and you, you VR goggles

2:41:19rather, and you, you stand in that warehouse, that hanger.

2:41:24The hanger. And look at it.

2:41:25It's very strange. It feels weird.

2:41:27That's exactly like it was.

2:41:29It feels very weird. It feels very weird.

2:41:31Cause I, I mean, I'm only imagining what it's like to actually be you in

2:41:351988 and be standing there.

2:41:37When you put the goggles on, that's exactly how it was.

2:41:40What did, what did Dennis say when you first saw it?

2:41:42Where he was like, huh?

2:41:43Huh? No, Dennis, Dennis was hardcore.

2:41:47Yeah. He was, yeah, he was here.

2:41:50Look at that. You know, come back in here.

2:41:52I mean, it, there was no reaction.

2:41:55Barry, on the other hand, was out of his mind.

2:41:57He, he couldn't wait to show me stuff.

2:41:59And, you know, he said, check this out.

2:42:01Oh my God. It was that awesome.

2:42:02You know, but Dennis was, uh, it was like a hardcore, you know, military guy.

2:42:09How much of a view, How much of a view, did you get at the

2:42:13other crafts because it's one of the things in the film you only see like

2:42:16hints of them that was it that's it that's it what you saw in the

2:42:20film is exactly what it was it was just a passing thing and as i

2:42:24was walking out there going wow there's more everything looks different and other than the

2:42:32the first two hangers i really couldn't tell what was passed out there but there

2:42:36were other hangers and there were things inside them but that's also interesting that at

2:42:42the time in 1988 this site was not even confirmed this was like for you

2:42:47to have to know about this and know the exact location of it is kind

2:42:50of strange right now luigi did that i mean i gave him the general idea

2:42:55i said you know i know what time i got out there and i could

2:43:00see papoose lake and behind me the hill he pulled up a lot of stuff

2:43:05from there but another interesting thing he pulled up was there was an old silver

2:43:10mine exactly there in the exact same place and i wonder if they used that

2:43:16as that it was already drilled there was already you know corridors in there actually

2:43:22i actually held this for this show what i'm about to say is first time

2:43:27ever it's not even it didn't make it in my film i wish it did

2:43:30but it didn't make it in the film veronica at on our team she's my

2:43:35sister she's like my right hand and i didn't have her wouldn't be here right

2:43:39now she found this and at a certain point we were looking at the maps

2:43:45out there and we we you'll see in my film that gene huff sent us

2:43:49some u .s department of the interior official maps of that environment at the groom

2:43:54groom lake papoose lake but we weren't satisfied we wanted to go deeper we said

2:43:59there's got to be more and there's one map in that is a publicly available

2:44:06map it's super not easy to find by the way that is in the hands

2:44:11of the u .s department of the interior i could get it to you if

2:44:16you want i can email it to you that map is the oldest map of

2:44:20papoose lake known in the hands of the government that is that is public domain

2:44:25that map and everybody's going to be listening to this clearly shows a road that

2:44:33goes right into where s4 was is it doesn't show a road near it it

2:44:41shows a road going right in the mountain and they removed it that map is

2:44:48from 1941 okay right after that the map is 1950 and 1952 and those roads

2:44:57were removed but the the late the oldest map we ever found it's going to

2:45:02be available we're going to post it on our website it's going to be everywhere

2:45:06it shows a clear as day a road that goes right into the mountain exactly

2:45:13where bob lazar said s4 was so do you think that that was the road

2:45:18to the silver mine yes i believe that yeah i it makes sense that they

2:45:22would use an existing facility and just enlarge it instead of start from nothing right

2:45:26of course especially if it's abandoned yeah yeah and it also makes sense that if

2:45:32roswell was real and if they really did find a crash ufo in 1947 like

2:45:38in the 1950s they'd be like let's get rid of this fucking road right yeah

2:45:43if we're putting this out there if we're building this facility out there and if

2:45:47they did have it that also makes sense that they've worked on this for decades

2:45:50you come along in 1988 they've got this happening in the 1950s and it's still

2:45:55there yeah yeah i think what happened is when the cia took over because cia

2:46:01is one took over area they're the ones at area 51 i think what happened

2:46:06is as they took over they just removed the road it wasn't even because there

2:46:10was a uf a flying saucer there i i just think they got in there

2:46:15took control of that terrain that whole landscape and said remove it off the maps

2:46:20because it's there prior to them taking ownership of that land so i mean it's

2:46:27clear that there was a road there and then they came in cia said take

2:46:32it out and s4 might have had already an installation not it wasn't an installation

2:46:37but they probably had a a tunnel in there already because they were it was

2:46:41a mine so it was an easier way to build a big facility in the

2:46:45in the side of the hill makes sense it does make sense and then there's

2:46:48also the images that you got of what looks like the hangar bay doors right

2:46:53that are camouflaged and i have to say that gotta go again yeah all right

2:46:58sorry no worries that's all good that prostate problem technology will fix that it'll remove

2:47:07your prostate turn you into a fucking alien um so though that image that you

2:47:13got um of the unfortunately it's kind of blurry but you do see something that

2:47:20looks very similar to what you'd expect to be camouflaged garage bay doors i got

2:47:25contacted by a guy called scott mitchell and i was getting contacted by everybody joe

2:47:32everybody everybody was trying to get in and find getting to make me work with

2:47:36them or use something they found so i was i was ignoring 95 99 of

2:47:41people's like is getting tiring everybody like you got to listen to me i know

2:47:45stuff about that i'm like whatever i'm working with bob lazar i i have enough

2:47:49right now and but this guy we had built the base and i knew exactly

2:47:54where it was i knew exactly the layout and this guy he not only contacted

2:47:59me but he sent me an image that he had that he had drawn he

2:48:03didn't want to send me the real what he had found but he says here

2:48:06it is this is where the doors are and this is exactly where they they

2:48:09point to i looked at the image and i said not bad i mean he

2:48:14really nailed it in the image and i thought okay i i at first i

2:48:19thought somebody on my team leaked something we had to be honest i'm like god

2:48:24who did that who sent out one of our renders to somebody and because that's

2:48:28what I thought and they're like no no no this is what so I read

2:48:32I read I talked to this guy and uh he's a he's really really good

2:48:38at researching and he ended up becoming probably one of the best I've ever like

2:48:44he's one of the best I've ever seen his name is Scott Mitchell and uh

2:48:47he says there are pictures that were taken in 2020 and they ironically those pictures

2:48:52were taken on December 25th 2020 which is Christmas day in the middle of COVID

2:48:57which means the base might have been shut down if you think about that you

2:49:02know what I mean like it's COVID it's like in the heat of it plus

2:49:06it's 20 it's the 25th of December so there's probably nothing going on there and

2:49:11this private uh uh pilot in a small Cessna requested access inside the perimeter and

2:49:18they granted him permission and he had a big Nikon camera on board with a

2:49:23big telescopic zoom and he took a shit ton of pictures and they're amazing they're

2:49:27all public they're all available you could download them and there's this these pictures of

2:49:33Papoose Lake and the hill but they were being used on the internet for a

2:49:37long time everybody's like you see Bob Lazar is a fraud it's not real there's

2:49:41nothing there well of course you can't see it it's first of all 17 miles

2:49:46away and secondly they're not designed for you to see it and that also let's

2:49:51talk about something that Bob was talking about in 1988 the picture was taken in

2:49:552020 I mean there could be a that could be a different landscape now anyway

2:50:00so he said look this image if you change the contrast you got to keep

2:50:07the original but just move and try to extract data from your image you know

2:50:12anybody who knows how to use that do that with photography you can do that

2:50:15and he and he pulls out these this this geometric these geometric shapes you could

2:50:21see them they're they're like little they look like rectangles and I thought what if

2:50:28this is not real I I was super skeptical I'll be honest with you I

2:50:32wasn't we're talking about the picture with the doors on the the hanger doors the

2:50:37one from Scott Mitchell the one that we have in the film oh right right

2:50:40and uh and so I I didn't believe it I thought there's no way I

2:50:45go there's no way this is real I I don't believe it so Scott was

2:50:49really cool he said look man I I understand you're a skeptic I get it

2:50:52I want you to do me a favor go online search it yourself I won't

2:50:58even tell you where it is I'll just tell you what whom who took the

2:51:02pictures the the only thing he gave us is the picture number is 0501 that's

2:51:08what the picture number is he goes if you find it have whoever on your

2:51:12team playing around with it until you see it that was fair because I said

2:51:16okay because I mean if it's if it's out there there's two different places it

2:51:20was uh on online and the one place we got it from was the source

2:51:25of it okay was the from the photographer the guy himself we take it I

2:51:32had three different people on my team everybody's really good at all this stuff on

2:51:37my team so I said guys this is what we need to see if you

2:51:40guys could pull it up uh I I'm I'm I'm not going to be as

2:51:44skeptical everybody got it almost in the same time they were playing around and eventually

2:51:50the the easiest software we used to get that uh detail out was DaVinci Resolve

2:51:55and with DaVinci it's a faster process than if you're messing around with Photoshop or

2:52:00whatever and it came and I was like oh my god it it's it's really

2:52:06there you could clear so what I did is I had them scan the rest

2:52:10of the picture because it's pixels right so I said let's also see if it's

2:52:15not some pixel pixelation is it maybe just what the photo does maybe we just

2:52:20got lucky and it looks like that there maybe it's going to show something similar

2:52:24elsewhere and it doesn't and then I said all right go get me 0502 I

2:52:29want 0500 I want because the guy kept snapping pictures I want you to do

2:52:33the same like we went really military like I said I want to make sure

2:52:37this is this is real I don't I'm not going to put our name on

2:52:40this if it's not and it ended up being other pictures also show it by

2:52:45the way because he went click click click so it's like it's not just that

2:52:49one that's the clearest one and so I was at a certain point I go

2:52:54to Bob's house and I'm sitting there and the guy calls me Scott Mitchell calls

2:53:00me and he has no idea I'm with Bob Lazar so I pick up it's

2:53:05a video call and he goes hey man what's going on I said well look

2:53:08I said look who I'm with and he just like exploded because he was like

2:53:12oh my god you're with Bob and I said show him and so Bob was

2:53:16there and we showed it we ended up transferring the call on a on the

2:53:19zoom call and he showed it and you said yeah like I remember you going

2:53:24yeah that's it yeah yeah that what did that look like to you when you

2:53:27saw those images yeah that was it was awesome yeah it was awesome what what

2:53:32was really shocking was the first hanger was bigger yeah yeah because that was the

2:53:37big hanger yeah yeah yeah because the first hanger is the big hanger those smaller

2:53:40ones and I said Jesus the first hanger is bigger you yeah you found it

2:53:45you found it so I mean that that was I I just lit up at

2:53:50that yeah yeah it was what happens if you look at that site with google

2:53:53earth that is with google earth no no that was the picture but google earth

2:53:57but google earth and I'll tell you something about google yeah that was the that

2:54:01wasn't with google earth no the picture is a real photo the picture of the

2:54:05hanger doors is a real photo okay I thought that was google no no the

2:54:09picture is a real photo the google earth though you see that in the film

2:54:12yeah I can't make this up I didn't want to put anything in the film

2:54:17that was one of my things I didn't want to put anything in the film

2:54:20that would make me the whole team or even Bob look like we're trying to

2:54:25like MacGyver some something in there it has to be you go look for it

2:54:30yourself it's public if you don't believe it go check it out yourself I that's

2:54:36how that's what was that's the only thing we allowed in there right and when

2:54:41you go on Papoose Lake on June 20.

2:54:45So June 22nd of 2024, June of 2024, Google Earth changed.

2:54:54There's you're going to be right over Papoose Lake.

2:54:57If you zoom in, you're not going to notice it because it's kind of a

2:55:01yellowish tint to the to the image.

2:55:05And I remember going, why is it so yellow?

2:55:07I mean, I'd been there so many times.

2:55:09I was like, why the fuck it turned so yellow?

2:55:12And I'm like, so I'm zooming out and I'm like, why did they fuck it

2:55:16up? I thought they fucking ruined everything.

2:55:18It's all yellow. And as I go further, you see this box that is like

2:55:24right over Papoose. So I'm like, what is that?

2:55:28And I put my mouse over it.

2:55:31And wherever you're in the box, it's June 22nd, 2024.

2:55:36And as soon as you put your mouse outside of the box, well, it's an

2:55:40older date. And I thought, oh, they just did that.

2:55:45And so I think what they thought they were going to do is that new

2:55:51filter right over Papoose Lake removes every possible detail on the terrain, the landscape where

2:56:00the brushes are and the Joshua trees are.

2:56:02It really, really removes all that blurs.

2:56:05It blurs everything out, but it makes, they made a mistake.

2:56:08They made a huge error.

2:56:10I believe so. And I think if they're listening, they're going to go, yeah, are

2:56:14bad to the, to the DOD.

2:56:16Cause they're good. Cause you see all the tracks on the lake.

2:56:20It, for some reason, that filter accentuates the tracks on Papoose Lake and removes the

2:56:29landscape brushes. I don't know why it just did that.

2:56:33And I was like, holy shit, you see all these tracks.

2:56:37What it looks like is they're trying to purposely obscure the area.

2:56:40Yes. And the fact that it's in a very clear box.

2:56:43Yeah. And you talked about that in the film.

2:56:45It's kind of bonkers. And what's really no reason.

2:56:48There's no reason to pick one little square box at a, why, why that nobody

2:56:53goes to. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

2:56:55So try to obscure it.

2:56:56Yeah. Yeah. And so I thought, geez, we got to put this in there.

2:57:00I mean, it's so cool.

2:57:01Right. It's all very compelling.

2:57:04Um, I think we should wrap this up, but, uh, the film's excellent.

2:57:08Thank you. Congratulations. You can tell it took a tremendous amount of effort and, uh,

2:57:12I could tell by watching you watch it when we watched it together that it

2:57:16had an insane impact on you.

2:57:18It really did. And you had already seen it before.

2:57:20I saw it with you.

2:57:21So you're just seeing it again.

2:57:23It's just like, it's bonkers.

2:57:26Yeah. It, it really affected me.

2:57:28And, uh, is, is there anything else you want to say?

2:57:33There's a couple of things I want to bring up.

2:57:35Okay. You know, um, just because I've stuff Luigi has told me, people think that

2:57:41I make millions of dollars off of this stuff and I don't, I would, I

2:57:47would love to sign on to the millions of dollars program.

2:57:50Um, you know, Jeremy made, made his movie and I didn't get a cent from

2:57:56Jeremy's movie. I said, anything you make, give to George, um, you know, Luigi has

2:58:03spent millions of dollars of his own money, literally, right?

2:58:07Literally. You know, making this stuff and I can't see how he's ever going to

2:58:11make the money back if he does.

2:58:13I hope. That's awesome. I drive, uh, uh, 1980 something, uh, not a 1980, you

2:58:21drive. No, 19, 2000. No, I'm 20, 2018 Chevy Bolt electric car.

2:58:27I mean, it's a car you'd buy for your teenage daughter.

2:58:30It's embarrassing to drive. It cost me $18 ,000.

2:58:34You know, my house on the 10 acres costs 450 grand.

2:58:38And, you know, back when I, when I got it, I mean, that's, that's, I

2:58:43work six to seven days a week at United Nuclear, my business.

2:58:47I mean, if there's anyone that wants to give me millions of dollars, please contact,

2:58:53contact me immediately because I would like to retire, but, but no, I don't make

2:58:58millions of dollars off this stuff.

2:59:01And, uh, I, I, my, my wife and I do fine.

2:59:05We grow our food in our greenhouse and we live in our little place up

2:59:08in the mountains and that, that, that's it.

2:59:10But I, um, you know, this is Luigi's thing.

2:59:14That's why he's here. I think the film's going to be very successful and I

2:59:18think you're probably going to make money off of it.

2:59:19At least I'm hoping. No, he'll make money off of it.

2:59:22Well, you'll make money off of it.

2:59:24You know, I, thank you, Joe.

2:59:25Um, I think we should wrap it up.

2:59:27Thank you very much, Luigi.

2:59:29Thank you, Joe. The Park.

2:59:30Thank you. It's fantastic. Bob, great to see you again, as always.

2:59:34I'm sorry I had to pee so much.

2:59:35That's okay. It's understandable. It's understandable.

2:59:41And, uh, again, the film, uh, let's show it on the screen, Jamie, so people

2:59:45can know, uh, where they could see it, when, when it's available.

2:59:49Yeah. It's available actually as of right now.

2:59:52Let's play the trailer. We'll, we'll, we'll end it with S4, the Bob Lazar story.

2:59:58We'll end it with a trailer.

3:00:00It's on Amazon, and, uh, we are not alone.

3:00:03We are not alone, right?

3:00:22Physical evidence now exists, which proves that there is life elsewhere, and at least one

3:00:26form of that life has been here.

3:00:30As of 1989, that evidence was in the custody of the United States government.

3:00:37Between December of 1988 and April of 1989, I worked as a senior staff physicist

3:00:42in what has to be the most secret project in history.

3:00:47My job in this program was to be part of a back engineering team.

3:00:53This particular disc appeared to be an expert.

3:00:55Excellent condition, and because of its sleek appearance, I nicknamed it the sport model.

3:01:02The goal in this program was to see if the technology of the disk could

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3:01:14In fact, you need 223 grams, machined into a wedge like this.

3:01:19The program out at S -4 consisted of three projects, Project Galileo, Project Sidekick, and

3:01:25Project Looking Glass. The file on top was Project Galileo, and as it turned out,

3:01:31that's the project that I was part of.

3:01:34And that clearly referred to reverse engineering a recovered alien spacecraft.

3:01:45It just cannot be a secret from anyone, not just the American people, but the

3:01:49rest of the world. All this stuff is something that happened to them.

3:01:57It's not who he is.

3:02:02They're doing everything they can to keep this information secret.

3:02:09That's empirical evidence. I saw a craft to do that, thanks to him.

3:02:16Now this story spills. And the world changed.

3:02:30Bye for now. Bye for now.

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3:02:44Bye for now.

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