Hour 3 - A Detransitioners Story
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1:06The President of the United States has just ended his press conference and walked out
1:10discussing all of the impacts of today's Supreme Court ruling on tariffs.
1:16If you did not hear six to three, we'll get into this more some this
1:20hour. The Supreme Court ruled that President Trump did not have the authority to implement
1:26the tariffs as he had done under the existing legislation.
1:30But they did not tell us what should happen with the tariffs that have been
1:34collected so far. They also, in the dissent, Brett Kavanaugh specifically said, hey, we think
1:40he does have the authority if he puts it under this legislation.
1:44Instead, the President has now said he will be doing that.
1:48Again, I'll put my lawyer hat on and discuss some of this going forward with
1:53all of you. But a lot of details coming out there.
1:57We are joined now, though, by a woman that I'm excited to have on the
2:02program who wrote a really powerful op -ed in the Wall Street Journal last week
2:09detailing what her life was like as she got caught in the gender transition medical
2:17system. Beginning at the age of 11, she decided that she was under the tutelage
2:24of a lot of different people.
2:25I want to hear her story in detail, that she was a girl in a
2:29boy's body, began to receive treatments for that, and then as she got older, came
2:35to regret that immensely. And her name is Soren Aldaco.
2:39She is with us right now.
2:41Soren, I appreciate you writing the op -ed that you did in the Wall Street
2:45Journal, and I appreciate you coming on with us right now.
2:48So I just want to give you an opportunity to tell your story.
2:52I believe, according to what I've heard, you started receiving treatments around the age of
2:5911. Tell us how that happened and what your experience was like in the gender
3:06reassignment world. Yeah, thanks for having me.
3:11Well, at age 11, I was actually kind of doing all of this on my
3:15own. And I was on the Internet, in all different corners of the Internet, from
3:19chat rooms to online art forums.
3:22And unfortunately, I got into some pretty, pretty dark corners where I was groomed.
3:28So already going through something that kids struggle with generally, right, puberty, I have this
3:33added trauma on top of that, this thing that made me feel scared in my
3:37body. And when I was speaking to some of those girls on the art forum,
3:41I discovered transgender identity as a manifestation almost of the role -playing that we were
3:47doing, and this idea that I could adopt a new name and a new appearance
3:50and almost be like the characters that we would create.
3:54So that was eventually affirmed around age 15 when I met my dad and my
3:58stepmom for the first time.
4:00I went inpatient, actually, after having a fight with my stepdad.
4:04And it was inpatient that a psychiatrist pressured me to come out to him as
4:09transgender and then told my family that actually my distress had nothing to do with
4:14my home life, my turbulent home life.
4:17But, in fact, it was because I was transgender.
4:20So fast forward two years after that, I met a nurse practitioner through a support
4:25group that my dad and my stepmom were taking me to.
4:27He prescribed me testosterone without my mom's consent after just 30 minutes.
4:33And by age 19, I had a double mastectomy that I would have massive, massive
4:37complications from. Okay. Thank you.
4:40That is a big picture.
4:41I want to dial back in, if we can, to some of these details.
4:46And, again, thank you for coming on and telling us this story.
4:48So 11 years old, you are getting on the Internet.
4:51I assume these are chat rooms of some sort.
4:54And what was your initial draw on the Internet?
4:58Where did you enter? Because I think this is important for a lot of parents
5:00and grandparents. You didn't initially enter into the idea that you were trans.
5:06You were an unhappy 11 -year -old, it sounds like.
5:08You go on the Internet.
5:09Where did you go? What sort of chat rooms, what sort of Internet sites were
5:13you on where people found you and started to try to address your unhappiness and
5:19potentially give you a solution for it?
5:21How did that happen? What's interesting is.
5:24This occurred around the same time that Instagram and other social media apps were coming
5:30around. However, I actually entered onto the Internet using my handheld Nintendo device, my DSI.
5:37The I stood for Internet, and the app specifically was a Flipnote app where me
5:43and lots of people, young and old, would create little animations that were hand -drawn
5:48and comment on those animations, find community through fandoms, through these TV shows and comic
5:55books, et cetera, that we liked.
5:58So this had nothing to do, in theory, with gender in any way.
6:01You're going on into these, I guess if it's through your Nintendo handheld device, a
6:06lot of kids are on there, and then people start to interact with you, and
6:10you start to make friends online, and they start to push you in the direction
6:13of embracing this idea that you might be a boy in a girl's body?
6:20That's correct. Okay, so you were profoundly unhappy.
6:25How old are you now, by the way?
6:27I'm 23. Okay, so you're 23.
6:31At 15, I want to go, I believe you said you went in to see
6:36a psychiatrist, and you had at that point convinced yourself that one of the reasons
6:41you were unhappy through the conversations that you were having online, I would imagine were
6:46a part of this, was that you were, in fact, a boy in a girl's
6:49body. What is that like when you tell the psychiatrist that?
6:53What is that discussion like?
6:57Quizzing, and for your parents, now that you can look back on it, what was
7:00it like for them? When I first spoke to the psychiatrist, he was mostly curious
7:06about why the name on my door was different from the name on my chart.
7:10I remember telling him, he had asked me, you know, when are you happy?
7:14What are moments that you find happiness?
7:16And I told him about the summer camp I was going to at Duke University.
7:20It was like a gifted and talented summer camp.
7:22He spent three weeks with a bunch of other kids who had taken their SATs
7:26in seventh grade and scored well.
7:27And I remember I'd go to this camp, and all my needs were taken care
7:31of. I felt like I belonged for the first time.
7:33I was also being socially transitioned at this camp.
7:36All the faculty administrators were using my boy name and boy pronouns, as were the
7:42other children. And so I told him about this.
7:44And instead of recognizing that it was just, okay, you found other, like, smart kids
7:49that you could get along with for the first time, he could be a kid
7:51for three weeks when I came from a hard home life, right, he saw the
7:55transgender part of it and ran with it and essentially, like, diagnosed me then and
8:00there. So he attributed your happiness not to being in a comfortable, welcoming environment with
8:06other smart kids who were kind to you, but instead to the fact that they
8:10were telling you you were a different gender, and so your happiness was connected to
8:14your gender, not to the environment that surrounded you.
8:18That's correct, yeah, because at home, my family just, they wouldn't have entertained that idea.
8:23They wouldn't have entertained the idea that I was a boy.
8:25And when they were told, they were actually super shocked.
8:27My mom and my stepdad, who had raised me my entire life, they said to
8:31my dad and my stepmom, you know, we thought maybe she'd come to us saying
8:35she liked girls, but, you know, the idea that I could be a boy trapped
8:37in a girl's body, that wasn't even mainstream at the time.
8:40Okay, so 15, he says, the doctor, she says, the psychiatrist says, hey, this is
8:46an issue. You are a boy trapped in a girl's body.
8:50At 17, you start to get testosterone, if I jotted down my notes correctly.
8:55What kind of sign -off is required for that, because you're still a minor at
8:59that time? There was no sign -off required.
9:02There were maybe forms that we filled off or filled out in the regular course
9:07of the doctor's questionnaires, but my mom, who was the only one on my birth
9:12certificate, the only one legally allowed to sign off on these things, she wasn't consulted
9:16whatsoever by the doctor. So, 17 years old, you're on testosterone, 19 years old, so
9:22just after you attain the age of majority, you decide that you want to have
9:27top surgery, you want to have your breast removed.
9:30That seems like a hugely impactful decision.
9:34What was that process like?
9:36And for people out there who may not know, what happened after that?
9:40What kind of surgery reaction, what does your body do when things like that occur?
9:46When I first wanted to get a mastectomy, I remember going into these Facebook groups
9:53where countless other young women were having mastectomies and posting their photos before and after
10:00of their surgeries, all identifying as transgender.
10:03And when I sought out a surgery team, it really was just, you give us
10:07this payment for the consultation, you come in, and it's not even actually you come
10:11in, you answer a phone call in my case, talk to the surgeon for a
10:15few, basically confirm, yeah, I want the surgery, and they send you a bunch of
10:17paperwork telling you what letters to get, what the letters need to say, and all
10:21these other details just around getting insurance to cover it, essentially.
10:26So it was pretty straightforward at that point, but when I had the surgery, a
10:30week before was the first time I'd ever met the surgeon.
10:32It was a real cut and dry kind of, you know, hey, we're having surgery
10:36next week, make sure you don't smoke cigarettes, which I didn't even do at the
10:39time. That was about the only advice I was given.
10:42And then after this, uh -huh?
10:45No, I was just going to say your insurance pays for this.
10:47So your insurance pays for, at the time, a healthy 19 -year -old girl.
10:52to have her breasts removed and basically you barely meet the doctor you go in
10:58and you have this incredibly significant elective surgery with it sounds like very minimal supervision
11:04associated with it yeah exactly and what's unfortunate is in the case of the surgeries
11:11that they give these young people who identify as trans in the case of these
11:14mastectomies they're drainless regular mastectomies have drains the women stay overnight in many cases these
11:20you know I was sent I was sent home the same day without drains and
11:24five days later went back for post -op but by then I was I was
11:27bruising significantly I had blood pooling in my chest and in my sides and they
11:31didn't really seem to think it was a problem whatsoever this seems like and again
11:35I don't know very much about it but to have your breasts removed as basically
11:39outpatient surgery for a healthy 19 year old I mean this sounds barbaric to me
11:44yeah definitely it's absurd in hindsight and so when did you start to question the
11:52decisions that you had made and that the medical establishment had helped pull you along
11:56through when did you start to say hey was this the right decision you're 19
12:00I think you said you're 23 now you're 19 at what point do you start
12:04thinking oh my goodness have I made the right choice shortly after my surgery when
12:10those complications continued to get worse when the bruising continued to darken and I was
12:14told you know it'll get lighter with time I tried reaching out to my surgery
12:18team on several different occasions and they were equally dismissive at each I eventually ended
12:22up seeing breast oncology at a different hospital in the ER and it was there
12:27they had to cut my scars back open insert drains and I had to drain
12:30my chest manually for the next couple of weeks around that point I thought okay
12:35my original surgeons were real eager to take my money and do the initial surgery
12:39but were nowhere to be found when it came to the follow -up care I
12:42started following the money from there realized just how profitable this industry is that you
12:45can be a lifelong medical patient and end up you know affording these individuals these
12:49doctors performing these procedures millions of dollars and I alongside the classes I was taking
12:55at the University of Texas at Austin where I was learning about how important role
12:59models are to our concept of self and you know growing up to think of
13:02ourselves in a healthy manner just realized okay there's a different way to be living
13:06my life I can reclaim my life from this medical industry and that that process
13:10only took about six months I was still 19 when I detransitioned um can you
13:15come back can you stay with us because I want to ask about the lawsuit
13:18uh and make sure that you give an opportunity because I'm hearing all this and
13:22candidly I think a lot of these doctors not only should they lose their medical
13:25licenses I think they should be charged with crimes because this is indefensible do you
13:30have a couple more minutes to spend with us absolutely uh we've got her sore
13:35now deco uh the uh op -ed that she wrote for the wall street journal
13:39is linked at clayandbuck .com I encourage moms and dads grandmas and grandpas out there
13:43to read this because I think it's very important and Soren's bravery in telling this
13:47story is also very important uh we will come back here in a sec and
13:51find out more about this lawsuit which I think could be incredibly important for so
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15:43welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Saxton show we are talking with Soren Aldeco who
15:49has shared bravely her story of her experience inside of the gender transition world at
15:5519 years old she had a double mastectomy voluntarily because she believed she was a
16:00boy 15 years old met with a psychiatrist initially became aware of the concept by
16:07going online at the age of 11 where she eventually found discussions surrounding these issues
16:12it sounds like you're much happier now you mentioned that you're at the University of
16:15Texas at Austin great school and you now have filed a lawsuit and you feel
16:21it is part of your role to speak out for other parents, grandparents, and the
16:26kids out there that might be like you are at 11, 15, 17 years old.
16:31What's the status of the lawsuit?
16:33Well, just last week, the lawsuit was heard before the Supreme Court of Texas.
16:38They were looking at a pretty specific issue in my case having to do with
16:42the statute of limitations. So the timeline, I'm allowed to sue after the harm occurs.
16:46There was disagreement between us and the defendants on what the statute of limitations, when
16:52it starts, and we argue that it started, in the case of my therapist, when
16:56she wrote the letter for my mastectomy.
16:58They argue it didn't start until, or they argue, my apologies, they argue it started
17:04with the letter being authored.
17:05We argue it didn't start until the surgery occurred because harm didn't occur until the
17:10surgery, and I couldn't have sued until then.
17:12So they're trying to argue there's no liability because of a statute of limitation issue,
17:17not because there was malpractice committed in your case, which I'm guessing is the ballpark
17:22argument here. Let me say this.
17:24Any legislatures that are out there and members of the legislature all over the country,
17:30you guys need to eliminate statute of limitation laws for these young kids who have
17:36these surgeries. Listen to me carefully on that because these lawsuits need to happen.
17:41Soren, I would imagine one of the goals here is if you hold these doctors
17:45and these hospitals accountable for what they did to you, they won't be able to
17:50do it to other young children.
17:52I assume that is, to a large extent, your goal.
17:56I'm definitely hoping that, yeah, they'll slow down and they'll think about how to actually
18:00help these kids because the surgery and the hormones that they gave me didn't do
18:05anything but make matters worse.
18:07How are you now? Well, I'm doing great.
18:11Not that I have the hormones and surgery to thank for that.
18:15Mostly, I just feel very resilient and emboldened.
18:18I was married last month.
18:20And so starting that life and moving forward, having something to look forward to, that's
18:25been great. Just admits the reality that the issues I experienced from medical transition are
18:30going to be lifelong. What do you wish you could say to 11 -year -old
18:34Soren, to 15 -year -old Soren, to 19 -year -old Soren?
18:39The easiest thing would be to get off your phone and go outside.
18:43Not that she would have listened, but really just to try and be patient and
18:50get information from as many sources as possible.
18:52Something I learned, I feel far too late, was you can learn a lot from
18:55the people you disagree with.
18:57And if you disagree with someone, right, you're either going to be more affirmed in
19:00what you already believe, you're going to have nuance added to it, or you're going
19:04to change your mind. And as long as you're pursuing truth, none of those are
19:07bad things. Well, we are, all of us in this audience, rooting for you, praying
19:12for you to continue to have great things happen in your life.
19:14Thank you for sharing your story.
19:16You can read it at the Wall Street Journal.
19:18And please keep us updated on what the Texas Supreme Court does.
19:21For sure, thanks. That is Soren Aldeco.
19:24When we come back, we'll dive back into the tariffs.
19:27I bet that a lot of you are going to want to react to her.
19:31800 -282 -2882. You can also use the talkback function.
19:35We're going to make sure that gets up on YouTube.
19:37So for those of you out there with kids or grandkids that you think might
19:41benefit from hearing that conversation, I think there are a lot of people that would
19:45be in that camp. More on this.
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19:56Clay, Travis, and Buck Sexton.
19:58Welcome back in. Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
20:02A lot of you weighing in.
20:04And again, I would encourage you to go read Soren Aldeco's piece.
20:09There are going to be a lot.
20:12And I think it's incredibly sad.
20:14There are going to be a lot of people like her.
20:16And a lot of people that are on the flip side, having surgeries in different
20:21ways, that realize, oh, man, I was just a really depressed kid in my teenage
20:29years. And I had all sorts of hormones going on.
20:33But I think the story that she shared is an important one.
20:35And if you didn't hear it, we're going to put it up on YouTube.
20:38I would encourage you, if you're just getting in your cars right now, go listen
20:42to it. Because I think a lot of parents, a lot of grandparents, a lot
20:45of teachers out there who are dealing with adolescents, age 11, unhappy kid goes online.
20:53Initially goes on handheld Nintendo device she plays games on.
20:57And eventually that leads into people finding her online and saying, hey, maybe the reason
21:03you're unhappy is because you're actually a boy in a girl's body.
21:07Then goes off to sounds like a really smart kid goes to a Duke summer
21:12camp. People there believe they're doing the kind thing by saying, oh, you're a boy.
21:18We're going to start calling you by a different name.
21:21We're going to start calling you a boy.
21:22Goes to a psychiatrist at 15.
21:26Psychiatrist says, oh, you're a boy.
21:29Start giving testosterone to her at 17 by 19.
21:34A doctor took her breasts off and sent her home in the same day.
21:41Voluntary breast removal surgery? Some of you out there that have had breast cancer.
21:47and had to have mastectomies as a result of that.
21:52Think about how wild that is that you would allow a child, because a 19
21:57-year -old is still a child in many ways, to have voluntary breast removal surgery
22:03and then send them home the same day.
22:05How about the fact that insurance dollars paid for that?
22:10And right now she's got a case in front of the Supreme Court that has
22:13to deal with a statute of limitations related issue.
22:16And I want to reiterate something that I think is really important.
22:19We got members of state legislatures in all 50 states, I would wager, listening to
22:26us right now. From Alaska all the way to Florida, somebody in the state legislature
22:32in every 50 states is listening right here.
22:34And if it's not somebody who's a member, certainly staff are listening.
22:39Eliminate statute of limitations on these medical malpractice suits.
22:44Because the doctors are going to try to say, well, I believe Soren's 23 years
22:49old now. Well, sorry, the statute of limitations told on our decision to take your
22:54boobs off. And so as a result, oh, our bad, there's no way for you
23:00to be able to sue on this.
23:02Well, think about your own childhood.
23:05How often when you were 15 or 16, by the time you were 25, did
23:10you think, I can't believe we did that?
23:12I can't believe I did that.
23:14I can't believe that me and my friends did that.
23:16I can't believe that we made the choices that we did.
23:19Oh, tough break. You've been sterilized.
23:22You can't have kids anymore.
23:23And the people who encouraged you to have these surgeries, the insurance companies that paid
23:29for it, the hospitals that okayed it, the doctors that signed off on it, oh,
23:34they're not responsible anymore. Nope.
23:37We need these doctors at a minimum held financially responsible for all these surgeries.
23:43I think they should lose their medical licenses.
23:45And I think that many of them should actually face criminal prosecution because they're making
23:51millions of dollars to destroy young bodies.
23:55It's barbaric. And I appreciate Soren telling her story with all of us and sharing
24:03that story in the Wall Street Journal because what do you hear all the time
24:07if you're a mom or you're a dad or you're a grandma or grandpa or
24:11you're a teacher, you're a preacher.
24:14They have really tried to emotionally manipulate people by saying, would you rather have, I
24:21guarantee you at some point, Soren's family heard, would you rather have a dead daughter
24:26or a live son? The idea being, if you don't allow these surgeries to happen,
24:32your kid's going to commit suicide and it's going to be your fault.
24:37It's just, it is barbaric that we have allowed this to occur in any way.
24:43And I think this is one where the plaintiff's lawyers out there, I know we
24:47got plaintiff's lawyers listening. This is one where the plaintiff's lawyers are going to be
24:52the good guys because it's going to take multimillion dollar verdicts.
24:57We just saw one come out of New York for a lot of people to
25:01do what they know they should do, but they're cowards to do it.
25:05What do I mean by that?
25:06There's a lot of bean counters that work in hospitals trying to get their 8
25:12% increased profit margin every year.
25:16And when they start to see insurance rates go up on these surgeries, because the
25:21doctors are getting hit with huge medical malpractice bills, a lot of them are going
25:25to start to do what we've seen happen all over the country.
25:28They're going to start to say, you know what?
25:30I don't know if this hospital should do these kinds of surgeries anymore.
25:33It's not because they're making the moral choice.
25:35It's because they're going to use the business side imperatives to dictate the choices that
25:41they make. And they may know morally it's been in the wrong, but they're afraid
25:46of being targeted by the trans community where they say, oh my goodness, insert hospital
25:51here doesn't allow top surgeries anymore for teenage girls.
25:55They're the bad guy, and they're afraid of losing their job and having themselves targeted
26:02so they can use the financial side as an excuse for why they should be
26:07making the choice that they're not morally brave enough to make.
26:11Plaintiff lawyers file these lawsuits.
26:15Members of the state legislature file bills eliminating statute of limitations for anyone who has
26:23so -called gender reassignment surgery.
26:26Allow these kids, as they age into adults and realize what adults did to them,
26:33to come back and hold the doctors, the hospitals, the insurance companies accountable for decisions
26:38that, frankly, they weren't old enough and mature enough to be able to make on
26:43their own. And I think you're going to hear, sadly, way more people like Soren
26:49coming out and speaking out and telling you about what happened to them.
26:53A lot of people weighing in.
26:56Jeannie in Syracuse, New York.
26:58What about Jeannie? What have you got for us?
27:02Good afternoon. I feel that everyone that encountered this young woman is at fault, and
27:09I totally agree with everything you just said, because as an 83 -year -old.
27:15woman, I still remember puberty.
27:18And I remember at least five friends that went through different systems than I did.
27:25We had to discuss it.
27:27But in my age, the nurse would send a note home to my mother and
27:32father and say, I want to have your child meet with the nurse with just
27:37women and discuss what they're going through as their 11 and 12 year olds.
27:41I have not even heard a thing about now.
27:44And it made a difference.
27:46It explained why you have this feeling, that feeling.
27:49And no one listened except the mother to this young woman.
27:54And they're all at fault.
27:55The camp is at fault.
27:57They didn't hear you say about that camp.
27:59Yeah. Well, I mean, thank you for the call, Jeannie.
28:01And let me just say this.
28:03Tomboys are real. There's a lot of you out there listening right now that when
28:09you were 10, 11, 12 years old, you might have dressed like a boy.
28:12You might have run around and played athletics with boys.
28:15You might have felt more like you were a boy than a girl.
28:18And then puberty happens. And everybody's a little bit uncomfortable with their body when puberty
28:23happens, boys and girls. And instead of somebody saying, hey, you're going to be okay,
28:28like Jeannie just said, who's 83 years old.
28:31People had sanity back then.
28:33Now it is a form of toxic empathy.
28:36And the camp is guilty too.
28:38The camp thought that they were being kind.
28:42They thought that they were helping a troubled child by telling her, oh, you're really
28:48a boy. Sometimes the best love is tough love.
28:55Adults sitting down kids and saying, I know you feel this way right now.
29:00You're wrong. Trust me on this.
29:03And by the way, what's the harm in saying if you still feel this way
29:08when you are 25 or 35 or 45, you have an entire life to change
29:14your body. You don't need to do it when you're 15 or 17.
29:19You don't need to have your breast chopped off at 19 and elective surgery.
29:24I just can't believe we're here at all.
29:26Kevin in San Ramon, California.
29:28Kevin, what you got for us?
29:31I love you guys and looking to get Clay's book or Buck's book, but looking
29:36at the Sirius XM for three hours of that, I hope that comes up soon.
29:41And let me, let me say, sorry to cut you off, Kevin.
29:43We are only on channel one 23 first two hours.
29:47So it's not your Sirius.
29:49That's wrong. If you're reaching out Sirius XM, the third hour is being added soon
29:54on channel one 23 first two hours are there.
29:57If you're listening and then you're like, wait, what happened?
30:00Uh, I promise the third hour is coming soon.
30:02Sorry to cut you off, Kevin, but we've gotten some questions about that.
30:05And I wanted to make sure that I mentioned it.
30:08Thank you. I think that was Kevin calling in.
30:13Uh, hope he gets Buck's book.
30:14Buck had to duck out.
30:15He's doing promotion everywhere for that book.
30:17Uh, Frank in Fort Myers, Florida.
30:20Frank, thanks for calling. Thanks for taking my call.
30:24I love your show. Listen, I, I, I, sorry, I disagree with you with the
30:27doctors and the hospitals being accountable.
30:29What about the accountability of the parents?
30:31Thank you. Okay. Let me ask you a question.
30:37Hold on. Let me, let me ask you a question, Frank.
30:40And I want you to think about this as if you're a mom or dad,
30:42I'm, I'm a dad. If a doctor sits down, if a doctor sits down with
30:46you and your kid is incredibly troubled and you're taking them to a psychiatrist, you're
30:51taking them to a psychologist, you're taking them to all different sorts of doctors.
30:55And they say to you, if your daughter doesn't have this surgery, she's going to
31:00kill you. herself. This is medically necessary.
31:03In my opinion. I don't think it's the parents that are the villains here.
31:08I agree with you. I wish that more.
31:11That's why I want to have this conversation.
31:12I wish that more parents would push back, but a lot of us parents, grandparents,
31:17teachers have been taught defer to doctors on medical judgment.
31:22When a doctor who has gone to school for seven years is saying, in my
31:27professional opinion, your son or daughter needs this surgery.
31:31I think it's hard for most parents to say, particularly when they're being emotionally manipulated
31:36and they're saying your kid's going to kill themselves unless we do this surgery.
31:41I think it's hard to blame the parents.
31:43Yeah, I think that's a bit extreme.
31:45Uh, I still, I, I, they, they should have taken to another doctor.
31:48Then, uh, I, I, I disagree with that.
31:51I, I do believe that the parents are at 100 % fall here for allowing
31:55this to go through. Okay.
31:56Let me ask you this.
31:57Let me ask you, hold on, Frank, let me ask you this.
31:59What if instead of Soren saying, I think I'm a boy in a girl's body,
32:03uh, uh, she had said, I think I'm a pirate and I need to have
32:07my leg chopped off because I want a peg leg.
32:10And I want you to also take one of my eyes because I want to
32:14wear an eye patch. And a doctor said, you know what?
32:17I think you are a pirate.
32:19We should take your leg off and your eye off.
32:22Would you think that the doctor deserve no criticism?
32:25No, because the doctor is completely wrong.
32:27That's why I said, go to another doctor.
32:29Okay. I appreciate you. But what if all the doctors, what if, thanks for the
32:33call, what if the medical establishment all had the same opinion, which they did until
32:38about a year ago, which is, this is medically necessary surgery.
32:42And what if they had fought?
32:43It's so hard. Think about this.
32:45Insurance covered it. Insurance companies cover a 19 -year -old girl saying, I need to
32:54get my boobs chopped off.
32:57Now, not to get graphic with you, but insurance companies would not cover a 19
33:03-year -old girl who went in and said, my boobs are not big enough.
33:07I need to have breast augmentation surgery.
33:13We got a whole rig job going on here.
33:15And by the way, you can have all different sorts of plastic surgery if that
33:19makes you happier. But unless it's medically necessary, it's not covered by insurance.
33:26So this has been defined as medically necessary such that her breasts were removed and
33:35the insurance company paid for it.
33:40Ben in Redding, California. Ben, what you got for us?
33:44You guys just wanted to call and confirm that, yes, you can be sent home
33:50after either breast surgery or breast removal that day.
33:57Yeah, I don't know a lot about this.
34:01Ben, I think it says your wife had to have the surgery for breast cancer.
34:05She had breast cancer, had breast removal, and it was like she, you know, there
34:12was a process to it, of course.
34:14But one day, you end up going in, and 45 minutes, hour later, you know,
34:23you're out of surgery, and then a few hours later, you're being sent home.
34:27Okay, well, let me, sorry to cut you off, but I, okay, that may well
34:32be true. It may depend on the type of surgery.
34:34What I would point out is your wife had breast cancer surgery because otherwise she
34:39might have died of breast cancer?
34:43Well, they had to remove it because of the style, the kind of breast cancer.
34:47Okay, so she had a serious medical condition that required her to have surgery to
34:52have her breast removed. She wasn't 19 years old and deciding to have her breast
34:56removed voluntarily. And having seen that surgery...
34:59Right, what I'm confirming is, yeah, what I'm confirming is they do send you home.
35:03Okay, but having seen that surgery...
35:06Okay, I appreciate that. Having seen that surgery, what would you think if you found
35:10that 19 -year -olds were voluntarily having their breasts removed?
35:14It's horrible because I can also tell you that my daughter's best friend had it
35:19done. Yeah. And she cannot understand why her best friend did that.
35:26Also, you know, that person moved north from California to Oregon, and I don't know
35:31if some other things happened up there because Oregon is kind of a funky state
35:35regarding... Yeah, well, thank you for the call.
35:37I've got to hit a break here, but thank you for the call about that
35:40call. I don't know necessarily how long people stay in surgery, stay in hospitals after
35:44surgery. The big issue here is the surgery shouldn't exist.
35:49It should not be done for anybody.
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37:33Yvonne in Tennessee. C, you got a great point.
37:36You got 20 seconds here.
37:37Thank you for calling in.
37:39Hey, guys. Hey, I was a tomboy all the way through elementary school, middle school,
37:44almost to high school. Thought I could be a boy.
37:47Did all kinds of sports and everything.
37:50We had common sense back then.
37:52I'm 48 now. Kids, husband.
37:54I'm so glad we didn't go through with that kind of crap that people do
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