Hour 2 - Steve Hilton Can Save CA
3/13/202637 mincomplete
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0:02Guaranteed human. Second hour of Clay and Buck goes right now.
0:07We're joined by Steve Hilton.
0:09He's running for governor in California.
0:12Steve, always great to have you, our friend.
0:15But we got to dive into something before we get into all the policy and
0:18all the seriousness. It seems that you, sir, are sporting a Clay Travis style beard.
0:25And I just want to say that the people of America have spoken.
0:29They are fans of your salt and pepper beard.
0:34I'm a slightly different generation than you and Clay.
0:37So my beard doesn't quite have the gravitas of all that silver quite yet.
0:41But I think it looks very distinguished on you and Clay.
0:44And so I'm a proponent.
0:47Okay, so I got to tell you the story.
0:49And it's got a good ending.
0:51So it's totally accidental. We were away for Thanksgiving last November.
0:57And I was just lazy and I didn't shave.
0:59And the first day back, I had some really early TV hit, like Fox and
1:02Friends or something. And I just didn't have the time or the energy to shave.
1:08I went on assuming I'd get all this feedback saying, you're so scruffy.
1:12Why didn't you clean up?
1:14Quite the opposite. A bunch of nice messages about the beard, which really wasn't a
1:19beard at that point. I thought I'd try it out on the road in California.
1:23I took a poll at every event that I did.
1:27Overwhelmingly positive. And then there are two moments that I thought, I've got to stick
1:30with this. Number one, I did Don Jr.'s podcast.
1:33And, you know, I've known Don for many years.
1:36And he came on the Zoom.
1:37And the first thing he said was, hey, man, love the MAGA beard.
1:42I don't know. Is that a thing?
1:43The MAGA beard? And then here's the one that I think you'll enjoy.
1:46I just got a text from a good friend of mine who's supporting me.
1:50A legend, James Woods. The legendary James Woods texted me last week and said, this
1:57is it. It gives you exactly the right amount of gravitas.
2:00I really think you can win this now.
2:02So there you go. It's staying.
2:04You're like the Dos Equis guy with a British accent.
2:07So I think that this is a strong play for you.
2:11We support it. But now let's get into this because we've talked about the governor
2:15thing. We're going to talk to you about that more.
2:17You've got to tell us what's going on here with the most recent fraud revelations
2:22in your state. Obviously, all the Democrats in charge.
2:25Obviously, Newsom asleep at the wheel or probably doesn't even care about the fraud.
2:29Hospices. What do we know about the hospice fraud?
2:34Well, the first thing to bear in mind, this is not neglect or incompetence.
2:38This is corruption because the reason that all this fraud has gone on in California,
2:43in our estimate. So just to take a few steps back, I set up last
2:48year in the wake of the Minnesota revelations, a whistleblower line here in California called
2:54Califraud .com. We've had thousands of tips coming in.
2:57And then earlier this year, we set up Cal Doge, which is now up and
3:00running. Obviously, we're not elected yet, so it's not an official thing.
3:04But we've got many volunteers going through the books, finding the fraud, and we're publishing
3:09these fraud reports. And one of the main areas that we got tips for was
3:13in this medical space because it's just huge amounts of money.
3:17And the reason it's corrupt is if you look at the donations to Democrat politicians
3:22in California and you look at the categories, and Gavin Newsom is a useful proxy.
3:27He's been running statewide in California for 16 years.
3:30The number one category of his donors, government unions, number two, trial lawyers, number three,
3:37private sector unions, number four, health care, health care.
3:40They're making money off of this.
3:42And they are – and Gavin Newsom is the puppet of these people who are
3:47doing the fraud. And that's why this goes on.
3:49It's not neglect. It's not incompetence.
3:50It's corruption. And the scale of it is just unbelievable.
3:54And the brazen, shameless theft of our money to put in the pockets of these
4:00scammers that then give money, donations to Gavin Newsom and the other Democrats is just
4:04unbelievable. But the good news is we're now – and it's not just us.
4:07We have various people now really investigating it.
4:10You've got the federal action, J .D.
4:12leading that. It's really going to come to an end, especially when I'm elected in
4:16November. And we're going to just stop all this in its tracks.
4:19Last point I'd make is I'm putting together a slate, a team of candidates running
4:23with me statewide in California.
4:24That's never been done before in the governor's race.
4:27A very important position is the state controller.
4:29And the state controller has the power to audit every organization receiving state money and
4:34to turn off the supply of money, literally to stop the money flowing.
4:38And there's a fantastic guy called Herb Morgan running with me.
4:41We're working very closely together.
4:43We can really change this big time if we're elected this year.
4:49Okay, last hour I saw that this moron, Eric Swalwell, is right now potentially going
4:58to be favored as the Democrat.
5:00I don't know what I'll have to do if you are running against Eric Swalwell,
5:05but there has to be 40 IQ points at least that separate you from Eric
5:09Swalwell. I want to put out the call up and down, width and breadth of
5:15California right now. The election is when, when can people start voting for you?
5:21And I think, again, a lot of people don't understand this.
5:24California. as I think it's called a jungle primary, right?
5:27We're the top two, regardless of party advance.
5:30So explain all the rules, tell people how to vote.
5:33What do they need to know?
5:34Because we are getting close to ballots being headed out.
5:38Exactly right, Clay. Thank you.
5:40Listen, this top two system is ridiculous.
5:42Obviously, we should get rid of it, but we got it.
5:44And so we got to play by these rules.
5:46For the last year or so, you've seen a kind of clown car situation on
5:50the Democrat side. Nine or ten candidates, all of them incredibly unimpressive, machine politicians and
5:56hacks and ridiculous people. And they've been dividing up the vote.
6:00And as a result of that, in a lot of these polls I've been leading,
6:03and there's one other Republican who we'll get to in a second.
6:07Often we've been the top two.
6:09But I said all along it's not going to stay that way because the Democrat
6:12machine is going to get behind one of their candidates.
6:15The unions, in particular the government unions, they will want their puppet that they control.
6:20And that is what is happening right now.
6:22And that's why you're seeing Eric Swalwell move up and up.
6:25And I think that will continue.
6:27The big unions are going to be endorsing in the next few weeks.
6:30The teachers, the SCIU, the Nancy Pelosi machine is going to get behind him, I
6:35think. And so I think you're going to see him really advance.
6:38Now, right now, as of this morning, the real clear politics average of all the
6:43polls in California, there's a bunch of these Democrats below 7 percent.
6:46You've got Katie Porter at 10 percent.
6:48You've got Tom Steyer and the other Republican, Chad Bianco, 11 percent.
6:53Eric Swalwell at 13. And I'm on 15 and a half.
6:56So that's the good news.
6:57On the average, I'm still ahead.
6:59But you're right. There was a poll this week, first time, that showed Eric Swalwell
7:03in the lead, a real poll.
7:04It was a proper serious poll.
7:06And so we've got to take this seriously.
7:08The election is June 2nd.
7:10Ballots go out May 2nd.
7:12We're really weeks away now from this election kicking off.
7:16The most important thing to understand is that if we split the Republican vote, it's
7:22not only that you're going to get Eric Swalwell.
7:25You're probably going to get Eric Swalwell and Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate fanatic.
7:31He has already spent $70 million just in the last few weeks, a few months,
7:37and that's moving him up in the polls.
7:39And because of this top two system, you don't need a huge percentage to make
7:44it into the general election because there's so many candidates.
7:46So I can see a situation where we've got, you know, like, I don't know
7:50what to even make of that.
7:51Steyer versus Swalwell, what a joke.
7:53But if you get behind one Republican candidate, and I'm the leading Republican, and there's
7:59a lot of issues with the other guy, Chad Bianco, he took a knee for
8:02BLM. He says crazy things on immigration.
8:05He's basically for amnesty on immigration.
8:08You can't have him. And so this is the moment for every Republican to get
8:13serious about this, get behind the leading Republican candidate, and then I will be guaranteed
8:19to be in the top two because that's how the math will work.
8:21And then it's a whole new fight, and we'll take it to whoever the Democrats
8:25put up. Speaking of Steve Hilton, he's running for governor, and he's telling us all
8:29about how this race is critical but also winnable in his estimation and his math.
8:35And, Stephen, to that end, I saw a lot of people are focused in on
8:39gas prices right now for obvious reasons, but your state is always the punching bag.
8:45You know it for the rest of the country of, you see how high the
8:48gas prices are there? So, yes, Iran has everyone, oh, my gosh, what are gas
8:53prices going to do? I think it's going to be fine, by the way, but
8:56everyone's a little freaked out.
8:58And then in California, it's, well, your gas prices, it's like there's always an oil
9:02embargo somewhere because California's gas prices are crazy.
9:05You recently said to gas execs, don't give up on the state of California.
9:10I don't even think people realize that California has an oil and gas industry.
9:14Can you speak to that a bit and what you're hoping could happen if you
9:18become governor? It's an amazing situation.
9:21Again, just the lunacy of these Democrat ideologues, these climate fanatics.
9:26Incredible. First of all, let's look at the numbers.
9:28So the temporary spike, and it's obviously temporary.
9:31Everyone knows that in the gas price since the Iran war.
9:35Which is, what, about 50 cents average nationwide, right?
9:39In California, you look at the average.
9:41It's $2 higher than the rest of the country.
9:45So it's a very simple way of putting it.
9:47Gavin Newsom and the Democrats are four times as destructive as war in the Middle
9:51East for California when it comes to gas.
9:53The point about California is that we have abundant oil and gas reserves in our
9:59state, mainly in Kern County.
10:01But now a huge reserve has been discovered offshore in California.
10:07Offshore, there's a reserve there which is considered to be the second biggest in America,
10:13the niche behind the Permian Basin.
10:15We have massive oil and gas reserves.
10:18Right now, we are importing in California nearly 80 % of the oil that we
10:24use. It used to be the opposite.
10:26Most of our oil and gas we produced in -state.
10:29So what are these insane Democrats now doing in the name of climate?
10:32They are shipping oil halfway around the world on giant supertankers spewing out carbon emissions
10:39because they think it's part of their war on fossil fuel.
10:42We're not using any less fossil fuel in California.
10:44We're just importing it. And that's the reason that the refineries are closing down because
10:50the refineries were built. to refine California crude, the supply of that has been dropping
10:56year by year with their war on the industry here in California.
11:00Now the insane situation, I'm just with a group of energy industry folks this morning.
11:05And now there's even the insane situation that the small amount that we're relatively that
11:10we're now producing, it used to go in pipelines from Kern County to the refineries
11:14in the Bay Area and in the LA.
11:17One of those refineries has now one of those pipelines has now shut down because
11:22there's not enough oil to justify the business.
11:25So now what's happening? The remainder that we're producing is going on trucks.
11:30So again, in the name of climate, instead of a nice clean pipeline, we're now
11:35trucking it. It's so insane.
11:37Now as governor, I could reverse all of that because it's all being done through
11:41these bureaucratic agencies, CARB, the California Air Resources Board, the Energy Commission, CalGEM, the Geologic
11:47and Energy Management Agency. And it's very straightforward.
11:50As governor, I will end the war on fossil fuels.
11:53As long as we are using oil and gas in California, we're going to use
11:56California oil and gas that will keep the refineries open, bring down the cost of
12:00import, and we're going to get to $3 gas in California.
12:03That's the first pledge I made on the campaign trail.
12:06I think this is so important.
12:08And why I think, again, everybody out there listening to us right now needs to
12:12go vote for you and get you into the final two.
12:16Um, Buck and I have talked a lot about the legacy of California.
12:21You grew up in England, you brought grew up in New York.
12:24I grew up in Tennessee.
12:26I remember the first time I ever got to go to California.
12:29I was 21 years old.
12:32I think I had a college roommate from California.
12:34I went to go visit and I was so excited to step foot on soil
12:38in California because of the legacy of awesomeness that we had grown up with.
12:43Buck has talked about this in New York, California, this golden shining state on a
12:47hill. Um, it's lost. You could help to return that, but I think your experience
12:53growing up and what California meant to you still can resonate with so many Californians.
13:01I'm 100 % clear. I love the way you put that.
13:03Look, the California dream is a real thing.
13:07You know, this, it, and it was in my imagination too.
13:09Like even before we moved here with my wife and my sons, you know, whenever
13:12it was 2012, we moved here back in the day.
13:15I mean, people know me from Fox obviously.
13:17Um, but you know, most of my career has been in business and I worked
13:20for a while in the government in the UK for David Cameron.
13:24And when I was putting together the policy plan before he became prime minister in
13:282010, um, one of the, the spectator magazine in the UK wrote a piece about
13:33me, this was like 20 odd years ago.
13:34And they said, and the title of the piece was, it was a cover story,
13:39California dreaming. And the theme of it was Steve Hilton, David Cameron's policy guru wants
13:44to make the use inspired by California, wants to make the UK more like California.
13:49Well, who would want to do that today?
13:50I mean, that's how far we've fallen.
13:52But the point is that that idea of California, sometimes I put it like this,
13:56California means to America, what America means to the world.
14:00It represents all the great virtues and strengths and beauty of our nation, optimism and
14:08energy and dynamism and, and the kind of rebel spirit and doing your own thing
14:12that's been crushed by these years of bureaucratic bloated nanny state bureaucratic government and the
14:20taxes and the spending and the bloat and the waste and the regulations crushing the
14:24soul and spirit of California.
14:26But it won't take much to, to, to really get back to that beautiful California
14:32dream, because we just got to stop the government from doing all these insane things.
14:36And then people and entrepreneurs will take care of the rest of it.
14:40Steve, bring home the W in this governor's race and don't touch that beard.
14:44All right. All right. You got it.
14:47See you soon, man. Good man.
14:49Thanks for being with us.
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16:02Welcome back in, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
16:05Friday edition of the program will take some of your calls, lots of your talkbacks.
16:10Buck, you knew this was going to happen, but I do want to share the
16:13way that the attack on the synagogue in Michigan is being covered.
16:18This is ABC News. Have you seen headline yet.
16:21The mayor of Dearborn Heights said the suspect involved in the shooting and vehicle ramming
16:27attack at a Detroit area synagogue, quote, had lost several members of his own family
16:33in an Israeli attack on their home in Lebanon.
16:36They are justifying a terror attack based on what happened to this guy allegedly and
16:44his family in Lebanon. He decided that he was just going to randomly attack a
16:48synagogue in America. And my question for everybody out there is maybe I've missed all
16:52the people who had Jewish relatives that were murdered on October 7th and just drove
16:57cars loaded with explosives into mosques or maybe maybe that's happening all the time.
17:02And obviously, this is ridiculous, but understand the framing that we're going to get.
17:08The media is so deeply, deeply indoctrinated with this stuff, that it's really hard to
17:18get them to think about things in any other way.
17:21They view this all as ultimately, first and foremost, racial.
17:26They even view the Islam and Judaism thing as racial, not religious, because they have
17:30a that's the framework that our politics and the left in America puts things through
17:36first and foremost. And so, Clay, there's no reasoning with them.
17:40It's these were brown people that did these two attacks, these two terror attacks.
17:44Actually, the three. Well, one guy was black.
17:46These are brown people that these two terror attacks have to find a way to
17:49be as as sympathetic as possible to the attacker here.
17:54That's the media's attitude about it, because brown people are victims as long as they're
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18:56Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
18:59We had quite a good chat there with our friend Steve Hilton about what's going
19:03on in California. We wanted to talk a bit here about the aftermath of these
19:09two terror attacks that happened, both of them with jihadist intent.
19:18I think that's pretty clear, although some in the media don't know.
19:21We may never know them.
19:25We may know his name could be Mohammed Mohammed wearing an I heart ISIS t
19:34-shirt can run into some place, start shooting, yelling Allahu Akbar.
19:41He could have written out a long confession beforehand saying, I'm doing this on behalf
19:46of the Islamic State. You'll still have a CNN anchor who will pop up and
19:50be like, but can we really know?
19:53Can we really know the motive behind this?
19:56And if it gets too tough for them, eventually what they'll start doing is running
19:59panel discussions about how the Islamic State is not Islamic.
20:04You know, that's the other thing they like to do.
20:05This has nothing to do with Islam.
20:08Well, these guys seem to think it does.
20:12So there's that. This is a common, we went through this, Clay, in the whole
20:17GWAT era, which was really the Bush and Obama years predominantly, eight years of Bush,
20:22eight years of Obama, where we just had the, this was the argument always all
20:27the time. And you had Democrats bending over backwards, bending over backwards to make sure
20:33that no one actually thought there was any connection between Islamic terrorism and Islamic anything.
20:39You remember the Obama administration tried to change the GWAT, which is what we still
20:43call it now, those of us who remember, which was the global war on terror,
20:47which was a Bushism. They wanted to call it, I don't remember the full acronym,
20:51but it was something like overseas contingency operations against ideological extremists.
20:56And it really was something like that.
20:58It was some absurd, you know, the acronym was like abacabba or something.
21:02It was really long. And everyone was like, we're not going to do that.
21:05Remember also Obama wanted to call it ISIL instead of ISIS.
21:08Everyone calls it ISIS now that Obama was always ISIL.
21:10It's ISIL. We went through all this kind of nonsense.
21:14We understand what's going on here.
21:19We in terms of what their ideology is and what their worldview is.
21:23And there's going to be more of this.
21:26What we are seeing though, is vigilance, taking security in your own hands, acting quickly,
21:32getting off the X, you know, intervening, taking action can make a huge, can make
21:37a huge difference. And in the case of the synagogue, no good guy casualties.
21:43So we know five attackers so far, if I'm not mistaken, right?
21:47Five. different muslim fundamentalist uh terror attackers two in new york city one in austin
21:54one in virginia and one in uh in the detroit area here's a question for
22:00you buck five have acted what is the number of people you think that are
22:07either susceptible or willing to engage in acts of violence that are currently in this
22:13country i this is what i spend a lot of time thinking about because everything
22:17is a probabilistic analysis mostly these are going to be young men mostly these are
22:22going to be young men without families right that have been polluted by the idea
22:27that the best thing they can do is give up their life in a jihadist
22:31attack there's five we know in just the last two weeks is it a thousand
22:35is it two thousand is it six thousand how many people do you think in
22:39america right now are willing on some level to do this if the situation arises
22:44having worked during a heightened time of uh islamic extremism in one of those offices
22:51clay and obviously the biggest one which was new york uh you're at a minimum
22:56right now i would assume that the fbi elements of dhs state police that have
23:02counterterrorism elements and fusion centers you're talking about hundreds of cases where the people who
23:11are close to it are saying this could go off at you know this could
23:15be action uh at any moment it could it could become an actionable plot and
23:21if they haven't gotten them on a criminal on some kind of a criminal violation
23:25before the best they can do is just keep eyes on that's where we are
23:29um by the way i said at least hundreds it could be in the low
23:32thousands but that's where we are okay so that's interesting here's the second question for
23:37you we know unfortunately in two different circumstances suicides cluster because people see this is
23:44awful uh for kid people out there who have teenagers particularly if one kid commits
23:50suicide unfortunately there are often echoes of that suicidal act because it puts in people's
23:57minds the idea of following through this is data this is what it shows unfortunately
24:02when we see school shootings there are often cluster impacts from those school shootings because
24:07people who are of unsound mind or potentially susceptible to acting are more likely to
24:14do it buck are you afraid similarly now that we've had five different jihadists to
24:19act out that even people out there that are on the fringe of whether or
24:24not to do this become more likely to act because they see this having happened
24:29is that a thing where when you see like with suicide it's like a copycat
24:34attack is that yeah basically it's like a copycat yeah of course and also you
24:38get people who see this uh these actions and based upon you got to remember
24:44they're playing to a very different audience if you will sort of in a way
24:50in a manner of speaking than the rest of us you know they'll see and
24:54they'll be familiar with some you know jihadi chat rooms things like that uh signal
25:00chats i mean things that are uh i think maybe they use telegram more so
25:04i don't know where the jihadis are hanging out these days i i'm not in
25:08that game anymore of uh surveilling them but they have online communications and they want
25:14to see especially from a hardliners overseas praise for these attacks and then that's an
25:20encouragement to them as well um because they're bought into this idea that they are
25:26they are warriors for a righteous cause and if they become martyrs actually that's the
25:30most glorious thing that can happen to them uh so yeah we're likely to see
25:35more of this uh it's impossible to say how much more and and really what
25:40you're hoping for is the situations that we've seen so far and i know we
25:46saw a major loss of life that's terrible and you know his family um you
25:50know have now had that that horrific uh that horrific situation fall upon them but
25:57these are small scale attacks if you're looking at casualty figures if if you can
26:03keep it small you're doing a pretty good job because you're not going to be
26:08able to stop them all you're not going to be able to find them all
26:10before they act if you can manage to prevent this from becoming an attack where
26:15you know dozens of people are killed scores are maimed and wounded and that's what
26:21we're going to be fighting against now because also any jihadi watching what's going on
26:25knows iran is got iran's got nothing to hit us back with militarily so the
26:30only payback if you will from people who are sympathetic to the mullahs is going
26:36to be through some kind of a terrorist act so you got this guy at
26:38old dominion this this is crazy clay yeah i don't think we mentioned this defensible
26:43he he this is the old dominion shooter his name was was muhammad by lord
26:49jalo guy's name is muhammad shock uh and cut number five here here he is
26:57uh rather here is the identification by the fbi of this guy saying that he
27:02was arrested in 2016 for report and and plead uh pleaded guilty to provide material
27:08support to isis play five fbi is now the lead investigative agency investigating this as
27:15an act of terrorism. The shooter has been identified as Muhammad Baylor Jalloh.
27:22In 2016, Jalloh was arrested and pled guilty for attempting to provide material support to
27:30ISIL, now known as ISIS.
27:33Jalloh was sentenced to prison in October of 2017 and was released from prison in
27:392024. Clay, this guy was released.
27:44He wanted to give he was trying to plot a mass casualty attack years ago
27:52against Americans. And now we find out that this guy got released, apparently got released
27:58early. That's what I read, at least.
28:01And you have to wonder, why are these people in the country in the first
28:04place? Well, I'm sorry, why are we releasing people who are pled guilty or found
28:11guilty of terrorist sympathy in the United States early?
28:15How are we not immediately denaturalizing?
28:18And again, I am not an expert in immigration law, but maybe we need to
28:23focus more on if you're arrested for terrorism in this country and you have previously
28:29been granted citizenship, maybe we need to re -examine whether you should be allowed to
28:34stay in the country. I'm just I'm just going to toss that out there.
28:37And how one of these guys, sorry, how is he out early, Buck?
28:42One of these guys was a naturalized citizen.
28:44I don't that was actually the other jihadi terrorist.
28:47I think this guy I'm getting them.
28:51Let me see this guy.
28:52This guy actually served in the was he in the National Guard.
28:55Yeah, this guy was a yeah, he served time in federal prison, early release member
29:03of the Virginia National Guard, former former member of the Virginia National Guard.
29:11And oh, no, yeah, sorry.
29:14Yeah, he's a natural. Yeah, sorry.
29:16I'm right. He's a naturalized U .S.
29:18citizen from Sierra Leone. The other guy is was born in Lebanon.
29:23So we got foreigners for it's apparently not that hard to become an American.
29:28You got these foreigners who hate America, who want to kill Americans and plot terror
29:31attacks here that we're making Americans.
29:33We're really doing that. We need to examine how we are giving citizenship.
29:38And if you are convicted of providing terroristic support for terrorists and you were at
29:45some point naturalized, maybe we should go back and reexamine the process by which you
29:49became a citizen. Just an idea that seems very rational to me.
29:53Who is opposed to this?
29:55We'll talk about this. We'll take your calls, your talkbacks as well.
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31:30We are rolling through the Friday edition of the program and a lot of you
31:36weighing in on a variety of different topics out there.
31:42And we want to make sure you get as many talkbacks as possible.
31:45I also want to tell you Crockett coffee.
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31:58Texas and also became legendary there.
32:01And and he died at the Alamo just recently.
32:03They had the March 6th anniversary of the Alamo falling in Texas.
32:08We're going to be going to the Alamo here soon and we look forward to
32:12it. But Buck, we come back at the top of the next hour.
32:15I want to kind of set the table here for a story that I think
32:18is really supremely significant. And that is the fleeing from high tax states to low
32:25tax states from people with income who are able to do it.
32:30And I want to set the table here.
32:32Washington, this is going on across the country in blue states.
32:36Washington state is saying that they are now going to tax anyone that makes a
32:42million dollars. or more at 9 .9 percent.
32:46What does that do? Buck, we mentioned this on the air, but I think it's
32:50significant. Howard Schultz, who is the founder of Starbucks, he is the coffee company you
32:57just heard me talk about, Crockett, probably the most successful coffee entrepreneur in the history
33:02of the world. He's moving to Miami.
33:05You also have Jeff Bezos, who left Seattle and moved to Miami, both because of
33:13the tax situation in Washington state.
33:16And Buck, do you know the story?
33:17I actually think the entrepreneurial story of Jeff Bezos is a fascinating one.
33:22One reason why Bezos decided to make Amazon based in Washington was because it was
33:29a low tax state. And that's a little bit surprising to some people because you
33:33think of the West Coast and you think of California high tax, you think of
33:36Oregon as high tax. Washington was a very low tax state.
33:40And so Jeff Bezos went across the country, started Amazon in Seattle.
33:45Would you agree with me on this, Buck?
33:47The three biggest companies, maybe there's four, that people think of off the top of
33:52their heads when they think of Washington state and entrepreneurial success.
33:56I would say you think of Amazon, you think of Microsoft, you think of Starbucks,
34:02maybe you also think of Boeing.
34:04I would say maybe that's the four that come to mind immediately.
34:07I know there are others, but those that come to mind immediately, it feels pretty
34:11significant to me that both Jeff Bezos and Howard Schultz have decided we can't live
34:17here anymore. And so they have decided to move from Washington to Miami.
34:22Also, simultaneously, Zoran Mamdani is proposing that if you live in New York City and
34:31you die, you have to pay a 50 % city state estate tax, Buck, at
34:39750K in income. Now, they're also saying that they want to have a huge mansion
34:48tax on anyone who buys a property for 500K or more in New York City.
34:55You know this better than most.
34:57What does a 500K property?
34:59That is that that sounds like a lot maybe to some people in different parts
35:03of the country. What do you get for 500K in New York City?
35:06It's incredible, actually. It's like a marvel of engineering.
35:09$500 ,000 in Manhattan will get you 300 square feet where you can sleep, shower
35:16and cook without actually moving.
35:19It's like you're in a little pod.
35:21It's like a bed with a showerhead above it and a toilet that you roll
35:26over to. That's what $500 ,000 gets you in Manhattan, unfortunately.
35:29It is rough. So the idea they're calling this a mansion tax.
35:33First of all, I think the average home in America now is 450K.
35:38Team, will you look that up nationwide?
35:40I know it varies depending on where you live, but I think the average home
35:43cost in America now is somewhere in the neighborhood of 550K.
35:48That's the average. I know people buy more or less, but I think the average.
35:51So even calling it a mansion tax nationwide would not reflect what reality actually is.
35:59I think there's a lot of you that live in homes that cost $400 ,000
36:02and you're like $500 ,000.
36:04This is not a mansion.
36:05New York City, what Buck just said about what you get for 500K is basically
36:11a closet. And for them to be taxing the people that have the ability to
36:16make money in New York City, I don't understand why anybody would stay.
36:21And we're going to hit this in earnest because I do think it's a big
36:24story. And I think it is transforming much of the country as highly successful people
36:30in blue cities and states are finally done with what they see coming.
36:37Get out while you can.
36:38And I think a lot of the richest and smartest people are getting out while
36:43they can. We'll talk about that when we come back.
36:45We'll take more of your talkbacks.
36:46Thank you for hanging out with us.
36:4814 hours up. 15th hour next of the week on Clay and Buck.