The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Jim Daly on Faith, Family & the SPLC Hate List Controversy
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2:41Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast.
2:43Today we're gonna talk about faith, but we also have to talk about something else
2:47that you've probably seen in the news, and that is the Southern Poverty Law Center
2:51getting busted, spreading hate, which I know you're like, wait a minute, what?
2:55How can this be? This group was supposed to fight hate.
2:58Well, we have someone here with us today to talk because he was actually labeled
3:03part of their hate group, right?
3:06They went after him. Jim Daly, he is the president and CEO of Focus on
3:10the Family. It's a Christian organization, and Focus on the Family was on their hate
3:16group list, or you were on the watch list, right, Jim?
3:19No, we made it to the hate list.
3:21Oh, you actually got in right into the hate list.
3:24We were on the hate list years ago, made it to the watch list, which
3:28was one or two steps down, and then we made it back to the hate
3:32list. I'm not sure why.
3:33I think it's because we think of marriages between a man and a woman.
3:37That really is our crime, and that's what we talk about on our radio show,
3:42et cetera. So I think merely putting that out there, what I would say is
3:46a traditional view of family, that landed us on the hate list.
3:51It's not surprising to me.
3:54I will say to you, as we were talking before we started recording, when I
3:59was running for office, I ended up on one of these lists somewhere as like
4:02a threat to democracy, and then some of the other people that I was running
4:07alongside, they were added to different hate groups, and it was interesting to me at
4:13that point. We're coming out of COVID.
4:14People were really like, we're going to fight back against this machine, and some of
4:18these folks were standing up and saying, like posting on social media, I feel like
4:23I have a great label now because I'm on the hate list at the Southern
4:28Poverty Law Center, and I felt like I don't want to be there because sadly,
4:34they have power, and I don't want them to have that power over, certainly not
4:38over Christianity, not over love.
4:41Absolutely, and you know, our experience, a couple of key things.
4:44One, Fortune 1000 companies, the SPLC became the go -to list because they promoted it
4:51to corporations. Don't support, don't work with, don't allow people to be connected to anybody
4:58on this list. So, I mean, they were promoting hate, if you think about it.
5:02It's kind of a 180.
5:04And in addition to that, something called DAF accounts, donor advice funds through Fidelity and
5:09others, we heard from a number of donors that when they called to direct a
5:15gift to focus on the family, Alliance Defending Freedom, or Family Research Council, because we
5:22were all on the hate group, group, they just went chill and said, we don't
5:26we're not allowed to give to those groups.
5:29And they were, I think, going from that SPLC hate list.
5:34So it's not innocuous. It's not innocent.
5:36It makes a, you know, makes a corporation.
5:40It makes a donor pull back.
5:42We have friends in Hollywood.
5:43Yes. Focus on the family has friends in Hollywood.
5:46And even for them, as we talked with them, they said professionally, it'd be very
5:50difficult for us to be at one of your events.
5:52As a speaker or something like that.
5:54So there's a dampening effect that the bogus SPLC hate list, the effect that it
6:03has on organizations like Focus on the Family.
6:06And I just think people need to think about what they've done now.
6:09I mean, pay to hate.
6:11That's the hate group. So let's explain that because we've just seen that they've been
6:17they've been indicted. Right, Sarah, that that was what the FBI essentially came after them.
6:23And what I find interesting is this investigation was going on during the Biden administration
6:28and they didn't do anything.
6:30But now we've seen Kash Patel has come out and said, look, we've we've essentially
6:34caught them funding one of these KKK members who started up this whole Charlottesville situation
6:44where they had the the KKK rally and the all these people showed up.
6:49And, you know, the whole Charlottesville hoax where they said the president said something that
6:53he didn't say. And they've they and the media took off with that.
6:57And the whole left wing of the United States took off with that.
7:01And it was now now we find out that much of this was staged.
7:05They were actually paying people to hold this rally, to have these people come.
7:09And you don't even know.
7:11We don't even know the extent of it.
7:12We don't know how many of these people that were supposedly Nazis or white supremacists
7:17were actually paid actors. We don't know exactly how this came down.
7:20But essentially what we do know is that there's potentially not enough hate in this
7:26country to keep the SPLC around.
7:29So they're creating it and creating it to the tune of millions of dollars.
7:33We're not talking about, you know, paying someone an hourly wage to come out and
7:37riot. This isn't like, you know, the buses that go into New York and have
7:41the Palestinian rallies and people get paid for the day.
7:45This was millions of dollars people were paid to create this event.
7:49Right. I mean, that's what's coming out as far as what I've read and what
7:52I've heard in the media.
7:53That's it. You're talking about that Charlottesville riot or rally.
7:58That was only 280 ,000 of the over 3 million.
8:01And some are saying it's going to be much bigger than 3 million.
8:04So, you know, and they also said through the indictment, there may be more charges
8:08to be added. And we can't forget that somebody died in that rally.
8:13Right. A woman was killed.
8:14Are they going to be charged with accessory to murder?
8:18That's interesting. I, you know, I thought about that the other day.
8:21That might be a possibility if it's proven that they were the ones that ginned
8:25up the rally and fed the hate, etc.
8:29What an irony, because the beginning of the SPLC was a noble cause working in
8:35rural areas in the South to help African -Americans fight injustices in the court system,
8:41etc. That's a noble cause.
8:43It's just so weird to be on the hate group list.
8:46I don't know a single person who's a hater.
8:49I've never been around him.
8:50I've never been present in a meeting where racial slurs or anything like that has
8:55been said. And I think, like you said, America has come a long way from
9:01the 50s and 60s and certainly further back, obviously.
9:05But, you know, there's work to be done.
9:08There's always work to be done.
9:09But I think they thrive on division.
9:12And they obviously, I think the numbers like 170 million that they raise, they also
9:18thrive financially on stoking the flames of hatred and division.
9:23Quite the irony. Right. And they're a political operation, whether people like to admit that
9:29or not. At the end of the day, this went from a center that was
9:33there to help people to a center that was there to help elect people.
9:37And there's a reality to that.
9:39There is also a reality that there's been a Christian revival.
9:42There are a lot of young people going back to church.
9:45And I think that significantly threatens the people that they like to get elected, because
9:51that doesn't seem to be their style.
9:54They don't like the Christian love.
9:55They don't like that scene.
9:57So as we've seen, as we've seen, and I was, you know, it's funny because
10:02we had Alan Dershowitz on last week and he just changed his party affiliation.
10:08And he obviously was talking about the hate that the Jewish community has seen, which
10:13they haven't been protected. There's nobody coming to protect the Jewish community in the United
10:18States. And he was saying, it makes me so upset because I feel like when
10:23it comes to foreign policy, I can't be a Democrat and I don't, I have
10:27to be a Republican. But he was saying on these social issues, I really feel
10:32like healthcare and taxation, I'm with the Democrats.
10:35And I said, so are you telling me you're with Mom Donnie on taxation?
10:39Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
10:41And I said, this is what I think.
10:42I think the country is not as divided as we are led to believe on
10:47things like that. And therefore places like the.
10:50Poverty Law Center have to make Christians out to be something dirty and scary, and
10:56then they can create a division to get people to vote.
11:00That's what I think is happening.
11:02I agree. I think, you know, for those people that have studied World War II,
11:06the tactics socially of what the Nazis did to the Jews in the beginning was
11:12to cartoon them. You know, they would draw them in cartoons with large noses and
11:18speak disparagingly in the cartoon, then kind of characterizing them as something terrible, something dirty.
11:27They just want your money, whatever that might be.
11:29And then finally criminalize them.
11:32And that, you know, for me as a Christian, I have felt those twangs in
11:37our own country that this idea of cartooning, buffooning, you watch, you know, late night
11:43talk shows, they buffoon Christians and treat them disrespectfully.
11:49And then, you know, now we're starting to see just the very beginnings of not
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12:11This is America. You may not like my speech.
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12:16I don't agree with yours, but I'm not creating laws to curtail your ability to
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12:24The left is doing that through their surrogates quite effectively ever since COVID.
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12:35And it's all about control.
12:37I kind of say this tongue in cheek, but it's like a terrible HOA.
12:41That's the Democratic Party. They just want to control your neighborhood.
12:44Isn't it true? I mean, it just feels like, get off my back.
12:48You know, this isn't America.
12:49And I think, Tudor, this is what's so great about our country.
12:52I think there's enough reasonable people that do have critical thinking skills.
12:56They're seeing this implosion of the left.
13:00The logic does not stand up.
13:02I mean, even within the LGBT community, like, you know, the lesbians are up against
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17:29So a couple of things to what you said, because I agree.
17:32I think there is a lot of pushback if you come out and speak in
17:35faith. However, you made an interesting point.
17:38You have people in Hollywood that are now supporting what you do and supporting the
17:43faith. And we've seen Hollywood actors come out with the Halo app.
17:47And in different areas, they're saying, like, prayer has helped me.
17:51The Lord has led me.
17:52Having the Lord in my life is the only thing that helps me survive life.
17:56You know, that's how I get through because I have my eyes on Jesus.
18:00And I've been impressed with the number of celebrities that have come out.
18:03We had the football draft and one of the guys that was drafted immediately, I
18:09think it was the first guy, came out and started talking about his faith and
18:12how significant that was and how impactful it was for how God has led him
18:18in his life and that he believes this was God's gifting.
18:21And God had given him this talent and this gift to play ball.
18:24And that was he was excited about college.
18:27But this was the beginning of his professional career.
18:29And he, like, just gave all the glory to God.
18:32And it was interesting because I heard the news anchors talking about this.
18:35And they said, in the past, it felt a little bit faked when people would
18:39talk about, oh, well, you know, my faith.
18:41But this was so genuine.
18:42And they said, we've felt this way from athletes in the last few years, especially
18:48since COVID, where this speaking of the Lord in their lives is so real, so
18:53raw, and so in your face in a great way that I think the left
19:00is losing some of their biggest role models because they're just speaking for the Lord.
19:05And there's really such a raw innocence and truth to it that they can't fight
19:10it. Yeah. And that's Fernando Mendoza.
19:13I know that because my wife thinks he's such a darling young man.
19:17You know, she's, look at that guy.
19:19He's so fun. You know, he's very excited about his faith.
19:22And I think it's awesome.
19:23But in addition to that, you do make a great point.
19:27The experience that we have had, like if we're going to do an event and
19:31we've invited somebody from Hollywood, you have to go through their agent.
19:35And their agent is saying to us, well, you know, you're on the SPLC hate
19:39list. So it'll be really hard for our client to be there, even if you
19:44don't deserve to be there.
19:45So it's a chilling effect on even our friends and their cautiousness.
19:51And I, you know, I appreciate these people and they've got to look out for
19:54their own, you know, situation.
19:56But that's the effect of the bogus SPLC and the hate that they have spewed.
20:02And, you know, I remember writing Refocus, which was a book about how Christians need
20:08to engage in the culture.
20:09And a guy that was opposed to focus on the family, he owns a bookstore
20:15here in town. They make great pizza, wonderful little restaurant, boutique restaurant, game store and
20:20bookstore. Richard Skorman, he was also a city councilman.
20:25But he invited me down to to do an author signing and do a little
20:28guest appearance. And there are probably 60, 70 people that showed up in his store.
20:32But one of them was a gay activist.
20:34And after I talked about, you know, the issues of Christianity and the LGBT agenda,
20:40etc., he raised his hand and asked me a question.
20:43He said, when are Christians going to get out of their archaic sexuality from the
20:47medieval centuries and kind of catch up to us here in the 21st century?
20:51And I'm smiling and then he's done.
20:54And I said, you know what, it's really nice of you to want to make
20:57me either the author or the editor of the book.
21:00I'm a follower of the book.
21:01All I can do is read it and try to apply my life because I
21:05believe it. I believe Jesus is who he said he was.
21:08I think he's the savior of the world.
21:09You can disagree with that.
21:11But why would you try to force me to jettison those things that I believe
21:16in? And as far as catching up to you, I think you're actually behind us,
21:21to be honest, because I think the cohesiveness of a biblical sexual orientation is far
21:29healthier than anything else. And I know there's a lot of difficulty in that, but
21:33I've got to stand on that belief.
21:35And you can't force me.
21:37You could kill me. You can silence me.
21:39But you can't force me inside of my own heart to be something I cannot
21:46be. You said, you can kill me.
21:49And I think that's what a lot of young people are thinking.
21:53What happens if I speak up after what they saw with Charlie Kirk?
21:57He was very outspoken about his faith, obviously about his politics, but I think his
22:04faith was the reason. I think that was what stirred people up.
22:08I mean, obviously, faith has always stirred people up for as long as people have
22:13been around, right? So. Well, and they've killed a lot of Christians along the way
22:18back then in the early centuries.
22:20That's how they dealt with us.
22:22And I think young people are afraid of speaking out because of that.
22:26I think there was this moment where people felt really empowered.
22:29But it's interesting because we have a situation going on right now where we have,
22:35in most of our universities, 75 % enrollment for women, 25 % for men.
22:41And my girls are in high school now.
22:44And as they are chatting with the boys, the boys are mostly saying they're not
22:49planning to go to college.
22:50And one of the reasons they feel like is, what am I going to do?
22:54Go there and just hear a bunch of views that aren't mine.
22:56And I do feel like, for a lot of people, college is this great, like,
23:02growing ground. It's a place where you can transition and you're still in somewhat of
23:06a safe place, but you're not totally in the world by yourself.
23:09But it hasn't been a safe place anymore.
23:11It has been radical and extremist.
23:14And it is driving our young people away.
23:17There's like an imbalance in the world now with women going into the workplace and
23:21men into the corporate workplace and men going into these, you know, blue collar jobs.
23:29And there's like an upside down situation where the woman is now in charge of
23:36having the kids, but she's bringing home the big salary.
23:38And it seems like this is all due to the fact that men have had
23:43enough. They do not want to be told that they have to go out there
23:47and march and be in support of things that they don't believe in.
23:51That's so true. And, you know, that's coming out.
23:53As you were talking, I'm thinking of John Lennox, who I interviewed.
23:56He was the former mathematics chair at Oxford University.
24:00And he told me a story that is, I think, appropriate.
24:03He was 19, already, you know, a genius mathematician, but he's at Oxford in the
24:08undergrad program. And he's having dinner with a Nobel Prize winner in mathematics and seven
24:13other professors. And he blurted out at the dinner table, what do you gentlemen think
24:18of God? And they all he said they all kind of just turned their back
24:21on him. And then the Nobel Prize winner, who he didn't name to be, you
24:25know, of good manners. And he said the Nobel Prize winner asked him to come
24:31up to his room afterward with the professors because they wanted to talk to him.
24:35And they got him up there and said, listen, John, you're brilliant.
24:38You're 19. You're going to be an incredible asset to the mathematics world.
24:42But you have to reject your faith in Christ because that's going to limit your
24:48ability to understand the universe.
24:50And he said to him, he said to the group, well, you might think so,
24:55but I think it'll actually elevate my ability to understand the universe.
24:59What do you derive from Darwin?
25:02Does he bring you joy?
25:04Does he bring you purpose?
25:06The guy's 19. And he said he got up, walked out of the room.
25:11That's the kind of courage we need right now because the world's wisdom is false.
25:17And in Romans, God talks about through Paul that he will hand them over to
25:23the deprivation of their minds.
25:26I think the world should start looking at that because that's what I mean by
25:29the implosion of the left that's occurring.
25:32It's illogical. It doesn't line up with human nature, God's nature, and it's fraying.
25:39And the people that have critical thinking skills can see it.
25:43You don't have to be a Christian.
25:44Also, like Paul writes, you can see God's nature and know that there is a
25:50God. And that's so true.
25:52Like the astronaut that just returned from the Artemis mission and said, I'm not a
25:57religious man. I didn't know the context of what I had just experienced.
26:01When I saw the chaplain, I started to cry because it made more sense to
26:06me. Wow. Okay. That's a guy that has an open heart.
26:12And what a great vessel to use.
26:15You know, God is so unique in the way he delivers his messages.
26:19And for the entire world to really be watching that, I think that was one
26:24of our most powerful moments in our lifetime.
26:26And we go, oh, there's this huge figure who seems so much larger than life,
26:32and he is humbled by God.
26:34I would have thought that the astronaut, I think it was Weiss, he said, I
26:40felt insignificant. I think that's true.
26:44That's called humility. Yeah. And that's something I don't think the left possesses.
26:49Right. They are full of themselves.
26:52They are self -righteous in every way.
26:55Their way is the only way.
26:57Their truth is the only truth.
26:59And they force you to submit to that or be scorned, belittled, disenfranchised, whatever word
27:08you want to use. And unfortunately, that's the part of the American experience, right?
27:13now that I'm mostly concerned about is people no longer feel free to discuss what
27:19it is that they believe.
27:20And that's not a good world to be in.
27:23It's interesting because I see a real stirring right now of people pushing back on
27:30that. When I was running for office in 22, one of the first meetings I
27:35had, I sat down with somebody and she gave me the whole, like, why are
27:39you running? And I went through my whole why.
27:42And in the middle of that story, I said, and my family sat down and
27:46prayed about it. And that was the only reference I made to our Christian life.
27:52And at the end, she said, let me give you a suggestion.
27:57You have to win over young people.
27:59You're not going to win over young people going around the state and telling people
28:03you're a Christian. So if you, if my daughter were here right now, who is
28:08in her 20s, or my son, who is like 19 at the time, and you
28:14said that to them, they would walk out, turn their back on you and never
28:19think about you again. I mean, it wasn't just like, hey, lay off the faith
28:24stuff. It was like, let me give you an example of why you will be
28:26hated for saying you prayed.
28:28All I said was I prayed.
28:30Last night, I was at an event for another candidate.
28:33And she told the parable of the talents and the servants with the talents.
28:39And at the end of that, this and I, and I had a moment where
28:43I was like, you know, because I'm like, I'm still in my PTSD, you know,
28:48where I'm like, I don't know how these people are going to take this.
28:50And it was so cool.
28:52Because at the end of that, they overwhelmingly said, make sure you let people know
28:59you're a Christian and that you're led by the Lord.
29:02Continue with your faith. Your faith will get you through this journey.
29:05And I was like, I think the tide is turning.
29:08We are, but we have to keep fighting it.
29:10That God doesn't call you to be passive.
29:13You have to keep pushing back.
29:15Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think of my son who's 25.
29:18He's in a master's program for biochemistry, wants to go on for a PhD, MD
29:23in neuroscience. He said to me something really interesting.
29:27He said, Dad, it's like we're in a cesspool of lies looking for buoys of
29:32truth. And if the church can be that buoy of truth, we'll cling to it.
29:37But if we sniff hypocrisy, or, you know, that they're not living it, then we're
29:45not, we're going to let go of that buoy because it's not true.
29:47And I thought, wow, what an example of what is going on in the 20
29:52-somethings hearts? To your point that if we can more mindfully live the cause of
29:58Christ and be authentic in that, meaning we're not perfect, we need to be humble
30:03enough to say we're sorry.
30:05We're living this life as human beings like everybody else.
30:09We're striving to be better, to know the fruit of the Spirit, love, joy, goodness,
30:14you know, to treat people well, to treat people better than we treat ourselves.
30:19How about that for a concept?
30:21The golden rule. But I think generally, if we can do that well and live
30:28authentically in Christ, it will change the country, the world, etc.
30:33But we have to live it well in our homes.
30:36Our kids have to see that we're authentic, that we're real, that we don't have
30:42these things going on secretly that work against our testimony in Christ.
30:48And that's what we're trying to do every day at Focus on the Family, strengthen
30:51marriage, strengthen that parenting journey, and help people do the right things in the home
30:57so that, so God's character is there.
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34:17So on that parenting journey, my girls go to Christian school, but they, it's interesting
34:23because we moved them to Christian school in 2020.
34:27And it was like, I don't know if they're going to go.
34:29And I, and I look back at that and I'm like, God, you are, you
34:33are good. Because in the midst of the crisis, what felt like the world was
34:38falling apart, it changed my daughter's lives in a way that I could never have
34:42imagined. And it was just like, this is the move.
34:45My oldest daughter was already saying, I feel like I need to go to the,
34:48to the Christian school. And the, the younger ones weren't going to, and we moved
34:53them all at the same time.
34:55And, and I look back now and I think they hear stories about the kids
35:00in the public school. And we're in a very Christian area.
35:02It's not like we're in this, the public schools are rough.
35:06The public schools are good and, and it's a good area.
35:09But the stories that we hear are just so filled with sex and drugs and
35:16just debauchery. And, and we're not a, I'm not a boy anymore.
35:21I'm a girl. A lot of that, a lot of, and people will not believe
35:24me when I say this, but a lot of these young kids have furries in
35:28their classes. These kids that are coming in and they're dressing as animals.
35:32And I think, I mean, this is so bizarre, you know, something that would never
35:35have been allowed. And talk about hanging on to the lies, but I feel like
35:40that's been a sacrifice for us as a family to put them into these schools.
35:45And I look at it now and I think at the time I was like,
35:48oh, I don't know if we can afford this.
35:49I don't know if we can do this.
35:50And I think of all the things that I would spend money on, I would
35:54put it here before anything else.
35:56Now that I know, now that I know the foundation that they have, now that
35:59I know the prep that they have to go out into the world.
36:02And I was watching this morning a debate between, I think it was Isabel Brown
36:06and Harry Sisson. And Harry Sisson is this young liberal who's out there debating all
36:12the time. He's very active and he's in his 20s.
36:15And I just heard a snippet where he said that, you know, it wasn't that
36:20they don't want to have kids.
36:22They don't. He said, are you to look at us and you say, you don't
36:26want to have kids. You hate kids.
36:27We don't hate kids. We just know we can't afford kids.
36:30And that was that lie.
36:31When you said that, that was exactly what I thought.
36:33Let go of that lie.
36:35I saw that this morning and I thought, you don't, you're not understanding.
36:40This is how they are controlling you.
36:42They're controlling you. Think about someone controlling you to not have children, to not have
36:47that love in your life.
36:48How could you let that happen?
36:49And yet we're not pushing back on these young people and saying, let go of
36:53that lie. You know, when you look at John 10, 10, a very stern warning,
37:00the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy.
37:02And of course, he's talking there about Satan and evil.
37:08And you say to yourself, oh, that must have been real prevalent back in that
37:12day. Oh, man, it is alive and prevalent today.
37:16What you just said, trying to convince a woman, for example, to kill her own
37:21child through those lies. I can't afford it.
37:25This will be too much of a hardship.
37:28My husband and I didn't want to start a family yet.
37:32All those sayings that are literally, when you look at steal, kill and destroy, taking
37:38the life of a human being.
37:40And they, you've seen the debates.
37:43I mean, I'm watching some of those, especially those that confronted Charlie Kirk.
37:47And he would try to reorient them around what this is.
37:50They'd say it's just an embryo.
37:52It's just a fetus. Do you know what the Latin meaning of fetus is?
37:57It's human offspring. I mean, it doesn't mean anything anti -human.
38:02It's just the stage of development that the human being is in.
38:07And, you know, the lack of...
38:09in that. And I think even to what your point is, this idea of cost
38:14effectiveness, you know, I'm in my 60s.
38:18I was 25 when I got married.
38:20That lie was already there.
38:21It's expensive to have kids.
38:23It's just magnified today to where it puts fear into you.
38:28And you're going, OK, we could never do this.
38:30You can do it. Believe me, there's ways to get it done.
38:34It's called budgeting and all the other things.
38:37But it's like this idea that people are more excited about their cats and dogs
38:42than they are children. And that, to me, points back to your point about the
38:47furries. The culture, it is depraved.
38:51It's like we've lost our way about what it means to be human.
38:55And the big question for the Christian community, whether it's the first century or the
38:5921st century, how do we recapture the spirit of people to better understand that they're
39:06made in God's image, that He has a plan for your life, that if you
39:11live by His precepts, there will be blessings and challenges, but you will live generally
39:18a good life and a respectful life.
39:22And how do we get that back to some place of, that's what I want
39:26to be? I want to be somebody who people respect.
39:29I want to be a young man that I can tell the truth.
39:33I don't have to lie.
39:35Wouldn't that be great as cultural values to aim for?
39:38I think so. Absolutely. So I'll end on this because I think you'll find this
39:43fascinating. Last night, I was talking to a woman who has been in the pro
39:47-life movement her entire life, and she fought for it when I was running for
39:51office here in Michigan. Obviously, abortion was a big deal in 2022.
39:57Still to this day, there are people who are saying, how do we do this?
40:00And I talked to her last night and I said, you know, I got to
40:03tell you, I think the approach has always been political, but it should be hearts
40:08and minds. And there's a way to get that message out that's not in the
40:11political realm. You're not going to win over hearts and minds when it comes to
40:15an election day. You got to do it a different way.
40:18And she said, let me tell you that there is a famous abortionist in Grand
40:23Rapids, and a group of people went to him and said, please come to our
40:27church. And he said, when your congregation stops coming to see me, I'll come to
40:31your church. And they were like, ouch.
40:35And she said, we've got a problem where she said, I can't tell you how
40:40many times I've talked to the worship leader who's come to me and said, I
40:45have terrible guilt because I didn't want to let down my pastor.
40:49I didn't want the shame.
40:50I didn't want the congregation to know that I had gotten pregnant out of wedlock.
40:53So I thought it was easier to get rid of the baby.
40:57And she said, we know we want to, we want to come around people in
41:02a different way. And I don't, I don't have the answer to that, but I
41:06just think we keep fighting every day to make sure people understand what a blessing
41:11children are. Yeah. I mean, every child, a wanted child.
41:15I mean, that's the right way to go in the right way for the Christian
41:17community to think. And that's our goal here at Focus every day.
41:22I mean, my girls are the most fun.
41:26And I saw something recently where you were talking to someone and they were saying
41:29there's different ways of parenting at every stage.
41:32And I think that's part of it is to, to just learn and lean into
41:37the people who have gone through it and know that every stage is different and
41:42they're, every stage is different and it's challenging, but it is the most rewarding.
41:47It is the most amazing thing you will do that.
41:50You will see a creature that you helped to create, grow up and become little
41:55people. They're just so, it's just so amazing.
41:59And I appreciate what you do because I know that you're out there fighting for
42:04that message every day. No, it's so good.
42:06I can remember, you know, I met President George W.
42:09Bush several times, interviewed him probably five times.
42:12We met and spent time together, met President Obama.
42:16You know, obviously President Trump, I've met a number of times, but I could tell
42:21you what, as my kids were growing up over those years, I much preferred to
42:25be at home playing in the basement with them than meeting a president or a
42:30senator. No offense to those people, but that's just not where my heart was at.
42:34And my heart was with my sons and making sure I was a good dad
42:37to them. It's funny because after running for governor, people were like, why don't you
42:42run for Senate? And I said, my girls are still in school.
42:45Like, well, you know, you see them on the weekends.
42:49Yeah. Good decision. Sorry, but good decision.
42:52Yeah. Way to go. It has been such a pleasure talking to you, Jim Daly.
42:56Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
42:59Thank you, Tudor. I appreciate it.
43:00I really enjoyed being with you.
43:02I enjoyed it, too. And thank you all for joining us on the podcast.
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