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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome in, everybody, to the Wednesday edition of the Clay Travis
0:39and Buck Sexton Show. Starts right now.
0:42A lot of stuff going on up on Capitol Hill.
0:45We're going to be getting into some of that with you for sure.
0:49Given the fact that the Iran war is getting a whole lot of attention for
0:54obvious reasons. And the Tulsi Gabbard testimony before Congress on global threats, touching on things
1:01that we will want to discuss.
1:05So we'll get into that.
1:07We have some of the aftermath of the Joe Kent resignation, speaking of national security,
1:12from director of NCTC. More updates on Iran.
1:18The Save America Act, which we have tried to bring up as often as we
1:22can here because we get a tremendous amount of people saying that we should be
1:31discussing it more. So we go, OK, we'll talk about it.
1:33We'll talk about it. It's very important.
1:35We want election security, too.
1:36It looks like it is on the way to defeat, my friends.
1:39So I guess we'll continue to have this discussion.
1:42But Thune is the majority leader.
1:45People in his state elected him to the Senate to represent the Republican Party.
1:49And they seem to rather the Republicans seem to be on a pathway here to
1:55not passing the Save Act.
1:57So that is where it is.
1:59If that changes, we'll let you know.
2:00But we'll give you some updates on that.
2:02Something that is a little bit of a surprise to me, and perhaps it shouldn't
2:06have been, was how things were going up on Capitol Hill for the Mark Wayne
2:11Mullen confirmation as DHS secretary.
2:15Now, Clay, one thing that I think is quite clear at this point is, given
2:20what just happened at DHS, which was leadership failure at all levels, let's just be
2:26honest about it. It looked buffoonish, unethical, and screwed things up in the way Minneapolis
2:33was handled with messaging. Kristi Noem had to go, and Trump told her, time to
2:40go. And now she's on some advisory security committee or something that no one's ever
2:44heard of before. So that was an appropriate move by the Trump administration.
2:49This is maybe the single most important thing.
2:51Again, deportations might be the number one promise of the Trump administration for this second
2:58term. It's happening, but it is not happening at the rate that was promised.
3:03Let's be honest about this.
3:05And there needs to be a whole lot more going on between now and the
3:09midterm election. With all that, I thought that DHS secretary's confirmation would be a pretty
3:15straightforward partisan issue. I knew Democrats were going to push Mark Wayne Mullen on this,
3:20Senator Mullen. I knew that, but things got testy with Senator Rand Paul, who, I
3:26might add, is joining us live on this program in a little bit.
3:30He wants to talk about this.
3:31I'm going to give you some sense of how this went.
3:34Let's start with, so, a little bit of background here.
3:38As you, many of you will recall, perhaps all of you, Rand Paul was assaulted
3:43by a Democrat neighbor and almost beaten to death.
3:48His lungs filled up with fluid.
3:49He was in the hospital.
3:50It was horrible. He got infections.
3:52It's terrible. Rand Paul's an older guy.
3:54And he was jumped and kicked and beaten on the ground by a maniac neighbor,
3:59almost killed. It's a really horrible thing.
4:01Now, this comes after Rand Paul was almost shot, by the way, by a Bernie
4:05Sanders supporter screaming, this is for health care at a baseball field.
4:08So, Rand Paul's been through some stuff.
4:10So, let's just be fair about that.
4:13I can understand he doesn't have a sense of humor about this because it's not
4:16funny. And here is what he said to Mark.
4:20He says that Mark Wayne Mullen has taken the position that this stuff is funny.
4:24This is cut, too. Listen to how this exchange went.
4:28You have never had the courage to look me in the eye and tell me
4:31that the assault was justified.
4:33So, today, you'll have your chance.
4:35Today, I'll give you that chance to clear the record.
4:37Tell it to my face.
4:39If that's what you believe, tell it to me today.
4:41Tell the world why you believe I deserve to be assaulted from behind, have six
4:46ribs broken and a damaged lung.
4:48Tell me to my face why you think I deserved it.
4:50And while you're at it, explain to the American public why they should trust a
4:55man with anger issues to set the proper example for ICE and Border Patrol agents.
5:01Explain to the American public how a man who has no regrets about brawling in
5:06a Senate committee can set a proper example for over 250 ,000 men and women
5:10who work at the Department of Homeland Security.
5:15Clay, I don't think Rand Paul's a yes vote.
5:18That I will say. I don't think that's happening, but we'll talk to the senator,
5:21the other senator, not Senator Mullen, later on in the program.
5:24Yeah. They don't like each other, and sometimes people don't like each other, and it
5:31is theatrical because they can go hang out afterwards and they have political disagreements, but
5:37personally, they get along quite well, and there's still a decent amount of that, I
5:41think, on Capitol Hill, not as much as there used to be, and honestly, I
5:46think that's an interesting question.
5:47Why? People got along better on Capitol Hill in the 60s, 70s, 80s.
5:52It seems like the 90s and the early 2000s.
5:55My argument would be social media, which has, to a large extent, created a lot
6:00of performative outrage that pays off, and so some people take it very seriously, even
6:06though for others, it's still a form of kabuki theater, it feels like at times,
6:11but this is real. Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen don't like each other, and
6:18usually you get, as we talked about when this nomination basically was put forward, when
6:24Christine Ohm was let go, we said, oh, Mark Wayne Mullen, he'll get confirmed relatively
6:28easily because the United States Senate tends to take care of its own, and I
6:33think that might factor in here a bit, Buck.
6:36I think that Rand Paul would feel more pressure to not get into a fight
6:42effectively over this if it were going to be a borderline situation, right?
6:49Pete Hegseth, for instance, needed the overall tie -breaking vote of J .D.
6:53Vance, if I remember correctly, in order to be confirmed as defense secretary.
6:58So if we're going to be in a situation like that, I think maybe things
7:01would be different. I think Mark Wayne Mullen will get multiple, probably, Democrat votes.
7:05Certainly, we know he's going to get Fetterman, so it's not going to be particularly
7:08close. But, man, I'm interested to hear from Rand Paul at the next hour his
7:15basis for this perspective. We've had both those guys on.
7:21I'm in a spot where I feel like it kind of reflects what's also going
7:25on with media argue, Buck, where I tend to kind of like most people.
7:29And so when I see people that we're friends with throwing elbows at each other
7:34on social media, I kind of just wish that they weren't.
7:38That's my overall perspective here, too.
7:40I like Rand Paul, and I like Mark Wayne Mullen.
7:44So I wish that they weren't engaged in verbal combat here in the Senate hearing.
7:50But I don't think it's fake.
7:52I think that Rand Paul and Mark Wayne Mullen don't like each other.
7:54And I think Mark Wayne Mullen came on our show a while back and said
7:58that, too. So that's just the reality.
8:02I think that the not liking each other thing.
8:04But we've said this as well.
8:06One time I remember it was quite clear.
8:08Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy do not like each other.
8:11It was a different thing on that stage.
8:14You can tell in the debate there was venom associated with both of them.
8:18It wasn't just a disagreement.
8:20Right. It was. I mean, you can think about this with Democrats like Kamala basically
8:24said to Joe Biden, you're an old white racist.
8:26And then she became his VP.
8:28Like she just said it because she had to.
8:29She had to get some attention.
8:30And Biden was probably asleep with his eyes open.
8:32And so who cares? No, these guys look they have they have personal beef.
8:35Mark Wayne Mullen addressed Rand Paul's comments.
8:37We have to play the other side of this for sure.
8:39This is cut three. Listen in.
8:44I simply address that. I said I could understand because of the behavior you were
8:48having that. I could understand why your neighbor by the neighbor did what he did.
8:53As far as my terms and snake in the grass, sir, I work around this
8:56room to try to fix problems.
8:58I've worked with many people in this room.
9:00Seems like you fight Republicans more than you work with us.
9:03I did address those remarks.
9:05I did explain your gimmicks by the amendment you put forth.
9:09And as far as me saying that I invoke violence, I don't.
9:13I don't think anybody should be hit by surprise.
9:15I don't like that. But if I do have something to say, everybody in this
9:20room knows I'll come straight to you.
9:21I'll say it publicly and I'll say it privately, but I'll never say it behind
9:25your back. It's not an apology.
9:29It's not an apology. That's for sure.
9:31It's kind of. I think he was making what he considered to be a joke,
9:36right? If I were analyzing this, like, I don't think that Mark Wayne Mullen is
9:41actually in favor of random acts of violence.
9:45I don't. I think he was making a joke based on his relationship.
9:49A little bit of a cutting joke.
9:51Yes. And I also understand why if you're Rand Paul, you're like, hey, I got
9:57attacked by a crazy left wing lunatic.
9:59I don't think that that should be something that is joked about.
10:03Right. So that's where I kind of think they are.
10:05If I always say this, if I were in the Senate, I would vote for
10:09Mark Wayne Mullen. And I think I would enjoy working with Rand Paul, too, because
10:14I like both these guys.
10:15Does it surprise me that they have a dislike for each other?
10:20Not really. Right. Because I can see them being incredibly different individuals.
10:28Right. You know how the jocks and the nerds sometimes don't get along.
10:33But if you're a little bit in the middle between the two, you get along
10:36with both people. I think that that is this version of the of the Senate.
10:45And I just look, my general perspective, Buck, and we talked about this off air,
10:50is there's so many people.
10:52So many people. People that are truly putting forward awful decisions and have truly bad
10:59ideas for the country that I think sometimes fighting with people who have subtle degrees
11:04of difference on how to get to better places is not a beneficial way to
11:10spend your time. To me, there are so many people throwing crazy things out there
11:15in terms of political on the left right now that whether somebody has a bit
11:21of a different perspective on Iran than I do, I'm not willing to put on
11:25boxing gloves and try to take them out over their perspective on that being wrong
11:29when there's so many people that are not even in good faith engaging in arguments
11:36on the left. Does that make sense?
11:37And I think a lot of you kind of get that.
11:39It kind of echoes the Ronald Reagan thing, which is, you know, thou shalt not
11:43fight with another Republican. And clearly that's being violated here.
11:48Yeah. Clay and I try to have no enemies to the right because we're trying
11:50to save the country from the communists.
11:52I mean, that's a pretty that's how we honestly feel like I just don't I
11:55don't like getting into stuff with people that I agree with on 80, 90 percent
12:00of things. When I say again, I'll disagree with them, but attacking them, saying they're
12:03a bad person or I impugn their motives or whatever.
12:06We just this isn't something we've coordinated.
12:09We just both have similar personalities in this respect or similar approaches.
12:13That's just not really who we are as individuals or as a show.
12:18Rand Paul, still pretty ticked off.
12:20This is good. I mean, I'm just telling you guys, it was fiery up there.
12:23This is cut five. And Mullen said that there was character assassination going on.
12:28Play five. And the days after the fight, you said, and I quote, sometimes people
12:31just need to be punched in the face.
12:33Is that still your opinion that political disputes can sometimes and often only be resolved
12:38by violence? No, I I don't.
12:42I don't always agree with that.
12:43I don't believe in political violence.
12:45I've made that very clear.
12:46But sometimes people do need me.
12:48Theoretically speaking, that's sir, I get it.
12:50It's about character assassination for you.
12:52That's the way this game is played.
12:54I understand it. And you are making this about you, which is fine.
12:57But that doesn't keep me as such a character assassination when you were the one
13:00lauding the assault. Who do you think started that character assassination?
13:04I'm just repeating what you have done in character assassination.
13:08I'm repeating your support for the assault.
13:11So that's somehow something I started.
13:14No, sir. What I'm saying is you're adding a lot to it.
13:18Yeah, you know, it's not very when you kick somebody down.
13:22You never know. You do.
13:23Be careful when you kick somebody when they're down, because they may be up at
13:26some point and have an opportunity to kick back.
13:28And that's what's going on here.
13:30I will say two things.
13:32Can you remember Democrats going after Democrats in hearings like this?
13:37Oh, I know. A lot of Republicans are about to come after us and say,
13:40like, but this is so terrible.
13:41This is what they're this is what your Republican senators are doing right now in
13:45the hearing, everybody. This is what is going on.
13:47I mean, I'm just presenting to you.
13:48This is the back and forth that you're getting where we're trying to put the
13:51most important after secretary of war, maybe secretary of state treasury, like top five position
13:58in the government. It should be all about the mission, Clay.
14:01All right. So there Christie Noem lost her job, not because of Democrat criticism, but
14:07because John Kennedy, who was on this show, asked her a question about two hundred
14:12million dollars in advertising spending.
14:15And she answered it different than President Trump did.
14:18And that was it. Right.
14:20Well, she that was people allege that she lied and people are alleging that she
14:23lied under oath. And she lied in a way that actually impugned President Trump is
14:27an incredibly stupid thing to do.
14:29But it was a Republican basically who got her on that issue is John Kennedy.
14:34And he said, hey, I'm going to go after him.
14:36My point on this is the knives are out.
14:41Right. And now you got Rand Paul going after Mark Wayne Mullen.
14:44I think what this is symptomatic of, Buck, is sometimes when you're in power, you
14:49have the luxury to feud over things that aren't as significant as when the other
14:54party is in power. Let me say this.
14:56My takeaway from all this, Clay, is guys, we are the save act is about
15:01to fail. We are running out of time.
15:04We need the best people in the important positions for the Trump agenda.
15:10And we need to get on this.
15:12The previous secretary of Homeland Security was a mistake.
15:16And nobody wanted to hear that at the time because it was all, oh, but
15:20Trump knows what he's doing.
15:21Yeah, he knows what he's doing, but he's not perfect.
15:23You need to have the best people in the best places.
15:26And that should be what the focus of this hearing is instead of I mean,
15:30it was it was nasty.
15:32It was feisty. I mean, Senator Paul just tweeted.
15:35I mean, I'm assuming he's not voting for him.
15:37Senator Mullen tried to justify a violent attack on me.
15:40Now he wants to lead ICE and Border Patrol.
15:42You can't restore law and order with someone who has an anger problem.
15:46America deserves better. So that's a tweet that he just sent five minutes ago.
15:52So he's going to be on with us.
15:53Senator Rand Paul next hour.
15:55We'll talk about it. Stay with us, guy.
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15:57What questions do you want to ask to the senator?
15:59If we have a couple that are really powerful and we'll try to get to
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17:40T's and C's apply. Welcome back in.
17:42Clay Travis, Buck Sexton's show.
17:44Senator Rand Paul is going to join us in the next hour as on Capitol
17:48Hill the discussion about whether Mark Wayne Mullen will be the next DHS secretary, which
17:53we believe he will be, is currently underway in earnest.
17:56Can I just be clear, though?
17:57It's really important. This is a really important job.
18:01So, and unfortunately, this was, this is among, a lot of you would say the
18:06way the Epstein files were handled, the Epstein files have now come out as far
18:09as as I understand it.
18:11There was mishandling of that, too.
18:13For me, I think the, the leadership of DHS may be the single biggest whiff
18:18of the first 12 months because, guys, Minneapolis, we pull back.
18:24Minneapolis is now all you're hearing about from these Democrats and this is what, you
18:28know, the whole thing. It was a big, it was a blunder.
18:30It was a blunder from the people running that, running that shop and we need
18:33new leadership, Clay, that gets the job done.
18:36Is there a more important thing than deportation, securing the border, and changing the trajectory
18:41of illegal immigration in this country?
18:43I don't think so. I don't think there is something that's more important as a
18:46Trump agenda item than that.
18:48Yeah. So I'm, I'm pretty frustrated with how it's gone up to this point.
18:52The border securing, amazing. That, that was something that we got done the first 90
18:57days. So if we want to talk things that are alarming, there are a lot
19:02of them out there. What I would say is particularly alarming to me is, we're
19:08now into mid to late March.
19:11Soon, we will be into early summer and Congress will just shut down for the
19:17campaign season. And if Republicans don't retain the House and or the Senate, then we're
19:25in significant, just basically, gridlock for the next two years.
19:31Nothing is going to happen.
19:32So if Republicans don't get through things now, then basically, I'm just being honest with
19:40you all, nothing's going to happen for two years.
19:43And the 2028 election starts in December, my friends.
19:47Yes. Think about that. The 2028 election begins at the end of this year.
19:54So this is really important.
19:56It is time sensitive. The agenda.
19:59And people are like, we got a VIP email from Matthew.
20:01Please ask Senator Paul. What are you doing to get the SAVE Act passed?
20:04We'll ask him. It's not going to pass.
20:08That's it. There's no, because the way that it'd have to get passed is they
20:12get rid of the filibuster.
20:12They're not willing to do that.
20:13It's not going to pass.
20:15I think that's correct. I can sit here and complain about it and we have,
20:18but we're not senators. We're certainly not 60 senators.
20:21Yeah. And I think that just ties in with what are they going to do?
20:25We know what Democrats are going to do if they win the House.
20:28I was looking today on Polymarket.
20:30Fuck, there's a 70 % chance Trump is going to be impeached again.
20:35If Democrats win the House in lockstep, they are going to go impeach President Trump
20:40and we're going to have the multi -month charade and you may say, well, this
20:44is a total joke and it is and we agree with you, but they're going
20:47to shut down the House and the Senate to have another trial on President Trump.
20:52They're going to shut down everything.
20:55And again, this is why I say, look, the House is important.
20:59The Senate is, to me, has got to be the has got to be the
21:05ultimate, you know, Maginot line, so to speak.
21:08That didn't go well. Although that didn't work out so great as we know.
21:10Historically did not, but we've got to have what is the most successful wall of
21:14all time? The Great Wall of China.
21:16The Great Wall of China.
21:17We got to have Also, by the way, kind of a fabrication after the fact,
21:20not really that successful. The Mongols kick their asses.
21:22What is the most successful defense line ever?
21:27That's a good military history question.
21:30Maybe, maybe, maybe they need to have a Cemetery Ridge, third day Battle of Gettysburg,
21:37bulwark, which used to be a good word before those crazy people took it over,
21:41in order to rebut a charge.
21:44And this is why I've said a lot of people because, the first time before
21:47you I bought Supreme Court.
21:49Clarence Thomas, 75. Justice Alito, 74.
21:53We may not have the ability to have a president of the same party as
21:57the Senate for another four or five years.
21:59You saw what happened with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
22:01We told you guys to enjoy that first year of Trump's incredible wins and just
22:05running up the scoreboard and all that stuff because it does not last.
22:08There will be the fight ahead.
22:10That is for sure. Clay got me excited about history there for a second.
22:13Some of you are writing in about this.
22:15To be clear, for much of U .S.
22:17history on the red -blue phenomenon, blue was, of course, the color of the Union
22:21during the Civil War. Blue represented the Union.
22:24Blue was the color of the Republican Party.
22:26More often than not, although there was no standard system, it was color TV that
22:30changed this. In 1976, Ford versus Carter.
22:34Blue was suddenly for Republicans.
22:36Red was for Democrats. And this followed the older convention.
22:41But then guess what? They changed it.
22:42Some of you pointed this out.
22:432000 election. Red states on the screen after the disputed election.
22:48Republican, George Bush. Blue states, Al Gore.
22:51And then all the networks followed suit, Clay.
22:52And that's how we got red state, blue state.
22:55The Democrat Party should be the reds.
22:57I'm just saying. Maybe. I don't know.
23:01What would happen if one station just flipped it?
23:04Like if Fox News just said, hey, you know what?
23:06Red, blue. We're going back to the historic.
23:08They went full Department of War on this.
23:10I kind of like that idea because the Democrats are the commies.
23:13They should be red. Blue is the greatest color, in my opinion.
23:16And blue is what the Republican Party has always stood for.
23:18So there you go. When we come back, we'll give you updates on Iran.
23:23We will also continue to talk about the Mark Wayne Mullen hearing.
23:26We've got Senator Rand Paul scheduled to join us.
23:28Some good news. Murder rate hit 125 year low.
23:32I think we should continue to hammer that home.
23:34D .C. crime. Murder rate has collapsed.
23:37I'll hit you with some of those numbers if you want something positive.
23:40We'll also jump back into a conversation we've been having, which I think is very
23:44significant. Kathy Hochul is now begging rich people to move back to New York.
23:49Did you see this, Buck, as the overall budget is collapsing in New York State
23:55and in New York City?
23:56And our good friend, Joy Behar, says Trump is doing to Europe the same thing
24:01that Adolf Hitler did to Europe.
24:03That's real. That's the view.
24:05We'll have some fun with it.
24:06Thanks for hanging with us on Clay and Buck.
24:09Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
24:12Appreciate all of you hanging out with us across the country.
24:14We are joined now by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
24:18And, Senator, you've made quite a bit of news earlier today in the DHS hearings
24:25of Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
24:27And I guess we just can start off here with a question.
24:31I don't know that you've officially said one way or the other.
24:34Based on the questions, it doesn't sound like you're going to be voting for him
24:39to be head of DHS.
24:41And is that true? And if so, why will you be voting against him?
24:46You know, I guess I'm concerned about anger issues.
24:49Someone leading ICE and Border Patrol issues that basically advocated and celebrated the violence that
24:56was committed about me. I was attacked from behind several years ago.
25:01Six ribs broken. Three of them separated completely.
25:03Damaged my lung. Multiple pneumonias.
25:06Had part of my lung removed nearly a year, year and a half later.
25:10And I guess I don't think that's funny.
25:12I also don't think that that's something to be celebrated.
25:15And I wonder if someone thinks that that is to be applauded, should they really
25:19be in charge of ICE and CBP, who I think need a better role model.
25:24Also, he has a history of brawling.
25:26I mean, he got up during a committee hearing, threatened someone who was testifying, said
25:31he would jump over the table and follow up interviews.
25:33He said, yeah, people just deserve to be, sometimes be punched in the mouth.
25:37He said, well, yeah, there's historical precedent for this.
25:40You know, we had dueling and we've had canings.
25:43And so I asked him that today.
25:44And he said, oh, yeah, we've had dueling.
25:46And I said, well, you realize it was illegal 170 years ago.
25:50It's certainly illegal now, but it was illegal even back then and frowned upon.
25:54And people actually had to travel either to other states or countries to do dueling
25:59because we disapproved of it even 170 years ago.
26:03But the fact that he would still think that we should settle our political differences
26:07through violence, I think, makes him really unfit to hold any kind of position like
26:12this. So I will vote against him.
26:14Senator Paul, just to be clear, because we played some of the back and forth
26:18audio, Senator Mullen has never apologized for what he said.
26:24Is that correct? That has never happened.
26:26He called me and wanted to have a discussion.
26:28And he said, well, he said what he said today.
26:31I hope we can decide our political differences.
26:33Well, our political differences are, you know, we disagree on funding refugee welfare.
26:38I'm against giving any more money for refugee welfare.
26:41I would end the programs.
26:42He's for it. That's a political difference.
26:44But if I say that I wish harm on his family or I wish harm
26:48on him, that's not a political difference.
26:50That's an advocation for violence.
26:52And frankly, I've been on the receiving end of violence, and I just don't think
26:55it's good for our country.
26:57And it's not a good example for somebody who leads law enforcement where there have
27:01been some questions about the use of force.
27:03And so, no, he's never apologized.
27:05He was given a chance today.
27:07I think a normal person would have taken that chance and apologized.
27:11Instead, he continued to have this bizarre rant that some.
27:15How, when he was in the House of Representatives, he told this to my face
27:19because he's, you know, such a macho guy.
27:21I don't think I ever met the guy when he was in the House.
27:23I don't remember ever meeting with him, and I certainly would remember if someone walked
27:26up to me and told me that I deserved to be bushwhacked, you know, in
27:30my yard. So, no, I'd never met him before he got to the Senate, and
27:34he's never said it to my face.
27:36But it's interesting what he took umbrage with.
27:38He took umbrage with the fact that I called him a liar, but he didn't
27:41ever come out and say, oh, yeah, you know, I was angry about this vote,
27:46and, you know, in retrospect, maybe I shouldn't have, you know, thought that it was
27:50a great idea that this violence was committed against you.
27:54But it's that. It's his brawling in Senate committees.
27:57It's his referring to dueling and caning.
27:59I asked him if he knew who Charles Sumner was.
28:01I don't think he does, but Charles Sumner was caned nearly to death.
28:06He was caned until he was unconscious.
28:07And the reason that it kept going is one of Preston Brooks' colleagues from South
28:13Carolina came over with a gun, and he kept the other – I always wondered,
28:16you know, why did the senators not intervene?
28:18The reason they didn't intervene to help him, he was unconscious, bleeding from the mouth,
28:22bleeding from his ears, his skull being crushed by this guy with a cane, and
28:26nobody helps him. But it's because another thug, a friend of Preston Brooks, was holding
28:32a gun to the senators, keeping them at bay.
28:34So – but he brings this up as a justification.
28:37He brought it up again today.
28:38He says, well, yeah, there is dueling.
28:40And I said, well, yeah, it's been illegal for 170 years, including at the time.
28:45Even when they're dueling in the early 19th century, most of the time it was
28:50illegal, and most of the time they went to some kind of venue to escape
28:53being caught doing doing because it wasn't approved of by most people.
28:57Senator Paul, can I ask you, do you have any sense that there are any
28:59other Republicans who have serious concerns about this confirmation of the DHS secretary, or is
29:07it your sense that you stand alone among Republicans on this?
29:11Probably on the committee I will be the only one.
29:14You know, frankly, I suffered for a year or two with this, had part of
29:18my lung removed, so I do take it kind of personally.
29:20I do think, though, it's more of a generalized problem because I think his resorting
29:25to fists and his idea that people sometimes just deserve to be punched in the
29:28face, I think that kind of attitude would worry me where we, you know, this
29:33is what we had with Bovino.
29:35When Bovino was up there in Minneapolis, it was a disaster because he's marching around
29:39with a bulletproof vest, brandishing his weapons and showing how tough he is.
29:43And everybody got this sort of macho complex up there.
29:47Tom Holman, who's not a shrinking violet, went to it and said, if any agents
29:51misbehave, they'll be punished. And he started pulling people off the streets so they weren't
29:55in public confrontation every day.
29:57You really haven't seen it in the news.
29:59And that's sort of what good leadership would be.
30:02But I don't know what kind of leadership you get from a guy who advocates
30:06fighting in a, you know, in the middle of a Senate hearing.
30:10Why isn't Tom Holman the DHS secretary, by the way?
30:13I mean, that's a whole other question.
30:14Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's an interesting question.
30:16Senator Rand Paul with us right now, talking about the Mark Wayne Mullen hearing and
30:21his potential taking over the DHS.
30:23Many people in this audience, I guarantee you, Senator Paul, and I'm sure you're going
30:28to hear it from the people you represent in Kentucky, will say Democrats are wrong
30:33on so much. Why fight internally here over who the president wants as DHS secretary?
30:40How would you respond to that question or that criticism?
30:45Well, you know, I've supported virtually all the nominees.
30:48Kristi Noem came forward. I did hers in record time.
30:51Even though Mullen, I don't think, don't like and don't think he's fit.
30:55And really, I think he's a despicable person.
30:58But I've gotten his nominee done quicker than any other nominee's ever gotten it.
31:03So I'm giving him fair treatment in the sense that he got a hearing in
31:07less than two weeks. He's going to get the vote tomorrow.
31:09And in all likelihood, he'll be approved.
31:11But the thing is, is, you know, if this were you, I mean, do you
31:17have, you know, would it be your conclusion to say, well, yeah, he did say
31:22the assault. I mean, it was justified.
31:24But I'll just kind of let that go and not say anything about it.
31:26Well, I don't think there are many people that would let it go.
31:29So I'm kind of actually surprised that more people don't see the glorification of violence
31:35as a real danger to having someone lead ICE who really thinks resorting to fists
31:40is the way we give this real, you know, this is a bad way to
31:43do it. We used to do it the right way with dueling and caning.
31:47And, you know, when I first read the story of Charles Sumner, I was horrified
31:50by it. I wasn't I never never crossed my mind that these were the good
31:54old days were the days when men were men.
31:57And they, you know, crush each other's skull with with sticks.
32:01I don't know that never would have crossed my mind.
32:03But that apparently is his point of view.
32:05And even when confronted with it, both privately and in public, he refuses to apologize,
32:11doesn't back down and says basically, yeah, he's it's completely understandable that I was attacked
32:17from behind, you know, six ribs broken, lung damage, multiple pneumonias, part of my lung
32:22removed. I don't know. I don't get that.
32:25I guess I'm not willing just to say, oh, let's let bygones be bygones.
32:29You know, we're all adults here.
32:31Well, if you want to let bygones be bygones, you might start with an apology
32:34for what he said. What happened to your attacker?
32:37We had a couple of people asking us and Buck and I did a quick
32:41research. We're live on the air.
32:43I'm sure you know. Was he severely punished to what you thought he should have
32:49been that level, or what was the result of that case?
32:53Initially, all the judges in Kentucky recused themselves, which created a problem because then they
32:58have to look for a judge.
32:59They found one in Detroit who came down and prejudged the case and gave the
33:05guy 30 days. The government appealed it and went to the Sixth Circuit.
33:09And this doesn't happen very often, appealing a criminal ruling of a judge because it
33:14was outside the sentencing parameters and didn't meet the minimum.
33:18And they came back and gave him another 10 months.
33:20So he served about a year.
33:22He lost a civil suit.
33:24He's a convicted felon. Hopefully is not voting anywhere in the country anymore.
33:30And hopefully has received some punishment for this.
33:33But, you know, it was misreported from the very beginning.
33:37And everybody's, oh, yeah, it's just a dispute between members.
33:39I'd never talked to the guy.
33:40I mean, I talked to him maybe 10 or 15 years before.
33:43We're gone a lot. Our kids used to carpool.
33:45But there was no personal animus that I knew of between the guy, other than
33:50that I learned that he was a hater of Donald Trump and a hater of
33:53me politically when we looked at his online presence.
33:56But it wasn't like we'd ever had words.
33:58So really, I don't know, those who think it's either funny or should be justified,
34:02I think are sick people, frankly.
34:06Senator Rand Paul with us now.
34:08And, Senator, if I could, I mean, I think we've covered in pretty good detail
34:11here what happened today in your exchange with Mark Wayne Mullen.
34:14We are in the midst of what we have been telling everybody is a war
34:18and thousands of people are dying and it is a big deal.
34:22I know there's been a little back and forth on what we should call this
34:25and it's, you know, there seems to be a little bit of a minimization feeling
34:29around it in some quarters.
34:32My sense is, and I'm speaking for myself and Clay can weigh in with his
34:36sense, this is just going to end sometime in the next couple of weeks and
34:40we're going to say mission accomplished with having destroyed the Iranian military.
34:44What do you make of all of this?
34:46I mean, I know you're not for it, but what's the goal here as you
34:50see it and what are the lessons that we're learning as we go?
34:54You know, I think the sooner it's over, the better.
34:56War really isn't good for, you know, us as a people, not good for those
35:01who die. And really it needs to be the last resort, not the first resort.
35:06I think this war was a war of choice and I didn't agree with the
35:10choice. Now, whether they call it a war or not sounds legalistic, but it's a
35:16way of getting around the Constitution.
35:17The Constitution says that Congress initiates war or declares war.
35:22Now, the President's legal counsel, the Office of Legal Counsel argues that we'll tell you
35:27when it's a war, but we have to wait a while and we'll add up
35:30the casualties. We have to know the duration, the extent, and the scope of the
35:35war to tell whether it's a war or not.
35:37And I guess the problem with that kind of argument is that if Congress is
35:41supposed to initiate or declare war, you can't tell whether it's really a war until
35:46a number of dead. You know, it would be sort of Congress coming after the
35:51fact and then declaring war after the war is over.
35:53You know, with the Iraq war, we declared war in advance.
35:56We didn't know how many would die, but we ended up, I think, losing about
35:594 ,400 soldiers and maybe 10 or 20 ,000 significantly wounded.
36:04But we did actually authorize it.
36:07You know, I had some complaints with George W.
36:08Bush, but he came to Congress, made the case, and they authorized it.
36:12And same thing after 9 -11.
36:15And I would have voted for the 9 -11, you know, the response after 9
36:18-11 because we were attacked.
36:20That's when we really, you know, should have a war.
36:22But I don't think we've done it in a constitutional way.
36:27I think in the end it's really – this isn't the primary reason to oppose
36:31it, but I think it's also going to be very, very damaging for the Republican
36:35ability to hold on to either House or Senate in the fall because of the
36:40economic repercussions. I think oil prices go up quickly.
36:44I think they're sticky on the way down.
36:46And as more infrastructure is damaged over there, as the people are having more trouble
36:51getting ships through because of insurance and danger, I don't think that quickly resolves itself.
36:56So even if the war ended in a week or two, I think you could
36:59still have, you know, pricing increases that could last well into the election.
37:04Last question for you. This is a VIP email, and I'm going to read it
37:08from one of our listeners, Matt.
37:09Matt, you probably have heard versions of this quite a lot.
37:12Eighty percent of all Americans support voter ID.
37:16I'll be extremely pissed off and deflated if the SAVE Act fails, especially if it
37:22fails due to GOP infighting.
37:24I think the country is doomed if we can't get voter ID passed.
37:29That's a VIP email from Matt, one of our listeners.
37:32What's going to happen with the SAVE Act?
37:34What should happen in your mind?
37:35You know, I'm for it.
37:37I'm a co -sponsor of it.
37:38I voted yesterday to get on it.
37:40We got on it with 51 votes.
37:42I am told by leadership there are not 51 votes to perpetually stay on it.
37:46You know, the whole idea of the talking filibuster, that there aren't 51 votes to
37:50do that. I'm also told that one of the sticking points of doing citizenship part,
37:56that you might get 53 of us.
37:58You might even get a Democrat or two if it just did citizenship.
38:01When it adds in the mail balloting, forbidding mail or discouraging mail balloting, which I
38:06am for, I think that's really almost as important as the citizenship part.
38:10I think people change. I think people change.
38:10through the mail -in balloting more than any other form of voting.
38:14But the problem is, is you have these Western states.
38:17I mean, Utah has, everybody gets a ballot in the mail.
38:19They may get multiple ballots.
38:22Arizona's the same way. And they've had Republican legislatures out there, but they haven't done
38:26anything about it because, frankly, Republicans out there like mail -in balloting.
38:30Same with Oklahoma, I mean, not Oklahoma, Alaska.
38:35And so while I am, you know, in my state, I helped, you know, get
38:39the state legislature, encourage them to pass.
38:41And almost everybody votes in person.
38:44It's like 98%. It's a felony if you lie about your reasons for needing to
38:47vote by mail. So almost everybody votes in person.
38:51We have paper ballots. We keep the paper ballots.
38:55And I think we have pretty secure elections.
38:57We have IDs to be shown.
38:59So some states do it and some don't.
39:01There's about five Republican states that don't.
39:04So while I have voted for the national and will continue to support the national
39:07coalition, I believe we ought to have as a party the goal of getting the
39:12five or six Republican states that do mail -in balloting, convincing them at the state
39:16level not to do it.
39:17But I think it's because this bill has gotten so large and they've added things
39:22to it, you won't get any Democrats on it.
39:24And the only way probably to pass it right now or to convince more Republicans
39:27and some Democrats is actually to narrow the focus to maybe just the citizenship part.
39:33Senator Rand Paul, appreciate you making the time for us, sir.
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41:14T's and C's apply. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
41:18Let's talk about New York for a second, shall we?
41:21Hello to everybody on the W -O -R -N -Y -C, fantastic heritage radio station
41:26that really covers much of the tri -borough area.
41:30Or, I'm sorry, the tri -state area.
41:32Tri -borough, good Lord. Tri -state.
41:34I haven't been gone that long, guys.
41:35Guy moves to Florida, suddenly doesn't know anything about New York anymore.
41:39The tri -boroughs, the three boroughs in New York.
41:41I've got to remember things here.
41:43I've got to keep things straight.
41:44But, W -O -R, a great station.
41:46You're listening, many of you.
41:47And the truth is, sorry, we're going to have a little fun at the expense
41:51of New York State governance right now.
41:53That's just where this is going.
41:55Because a lot of very wealthy people have become quite annoyed with what's going on
42:02in New York. Not just New York.
42:03Washington State now has this millionaire's tax situation.
42:07Same thing, California. Well, California's got so many taxes.
42:10All kinds of problems. Kathy Hochul, who is honestly somebody that you wouldn't want in
42:18charge of the bake sale for the PTA.
42:22Not even the PTA. You wouldn't want her running the bake sale to raise money.
42:26Like, you would not want this woman in charge of anything of any consequence whatsoever.
42:31She'd be burning the zucchini bread.
42:33There's no question about it.
42:35And here she is telling people that they need to move back to New York.
42:41Wealthy people need to move back to New York so they can fund welfare programs
42:46in New York. Play eight.
42:48There is this anxiety, which is real, and we're continuing to address the affordability crisis,
42:53which I believe should be the number one priority of this legislative session.
42:56What can we do to take off some of that pain that New Yorkers are
43:00feeling that I hear about literally every day?
43:01What I want to make sure we are smart about is having a system in
43:06place where it's not just taxing for the sake of taxing and being conscious of
43:12the facts that I need people who are high net worth to support the generous
43:17social programs that we want to have in our state.
43:20Right? Now, there are some patriotic millionaires who stepped up.
43:24Okay, cut me the checks.
43:26I mean, just, if you want to be supportive, but maybe the first step should
43:30be go down to Palm Beach and see if we can bring back home.
43:35I mean, she's saying Florida, Florida.
43:38has stolen her cash cows, and a lot of them are in Palm Beach.
43:43A lot of them are here in Miami Beach.
43:44Let me tell you, I've got neighbors.
43:46And they're in Delray, and they're in Boca.
43:49Hey, a lot of places around here.
43:52And Clay, this is really, I appreciate this.
43:56She is so unsophisticated in so many ways that she's just saying the truth here,
44:00which is, or former New Yorkers, please move back to New York so you can
44:05be milked like the cows you are for the welfare state.
44:09That is her pitch. And so we've told you this, and it is going to
44:13long range mean that states like Tennessee, Florida, Texas, zero state income tax states, are
44:21going to be far more effective and well -run than super high income tax states
44:27that are losing, as you just heard Kathy Hochul say, a lot of the base
44:32that has paid for all of the government to exist.
44:35What was the data point you gave us, Buck, that New York, I think, has
44:40a little bit fewer people now than Florida, right?
44:43But Florida's government is half the size of New York's?
44:47Well, Florida's budget is half the size of New York's budget, and Florida has two
44:52to three million more residents as a state.
44:55Two to three million. By the way, there are a lot of states that barely
44:57have two or three million residents.
44:59And as a general rule, how would you say, as a Florida resident, that the
45:04Florida budget and the governance is at running the money that they get, at basically
45:10managing the taxpayer dollars? Everything that involves the state of Florida is more efficient, more
45:17reasonable, more sane compared to New York state -level governance.
45:20Everything. Everything is easier. Everything is smoother.
45:22Everything makes more sense. Miami, things get a little third world down here, but state
45:27of Florida, fantastic. Okay, so building on that, you mentioned this stat earlier, and I
45:33saw it and my jaw dropped.
45:35It's rare that I see a stat and I'm like, oh my, I can't believe
45:37this is real. New York, is it New York City?
45:40Is spending more money than the average New Yorker makes on homeless people.
45:47What is this math, Buck?
45:49$81 ,000 a year, I believe, was the...
45:53So all of you out there, you worked a long time not making $81 ,000
45:58a year, Buck. I worked a long time not making $81 ,000 a year.
46:02I aspired to $81 ,000.
46:03I was like, oh my gosh, think about life at 80K.
46:06Yes. This is, by the way, 100 % true.
46:08A lot of you out there are aspiring to life at 80K, right?
46:11That's a lot of money.
46:13That is what New York is spending on homeless people.
46:18And you made this analogy earlier.
46:20How many of you out there listening to us right now in New York are
46:25busting your asses all day long and you're not making 81K and you're looking around
46:31and you're saying, wait a minute, what is the state doing that they're providing 81K
46:37a year in support for homeless people?
46:40This is just so flagrantly flawed.
46:44I mean, it would be better off, and this would be an awful idea, but
46:48if the entire government just got out of the way and they just gave $78
46:53,000 in cash, you would save money if you just walked up and gave $78
46:59,000 in cash to every homeless person.
47:01I also, by the way, there's nothing inherently derogatory about the term homeless.
47:08People clearly don't have homes.
47:10This whole thing about unsheltered now.
47:12No, I'm sorry. Unhoused is now the phrase to.
47:15Unhoused is the other, the same thing.
47:17No, I'm sorry. We're not doing this, okay?
47:19The reason they're doing this is because homelessness and homeless realities across this country, people
47:25have learned more about this.
47:27They've started to understand that almost all of the homeless, the truly homeless population, almost
47:33all have either extreme substance abuse or extreme mental health or a combination of both
47:39issues and disorders. The stories that you hear about a family of four kicked out
47:47of their home, down on their luck, that can happen.
47:50It does happen. I get it.
47:52It is rare, and they don't stay homeless because there are programs and there are,
47:58you know, this notion that thankful, I mean, but there are things to help people
48:03get back on their feet, and they tend to do so.
48:06The real homelessness issue is people with severe mental health and severe addiction issues overwhelmingly.
48:12So there's stories about someone lost their job.
48:14They're down on their luck.
48:15Like, 1 % of the unhoused or homeless population at any point in time, 5
48:20% maybe, I think that might be too much, it's people with those problems.
48:24Now, those are human beings who deserve help, too.
48:26I'm not saying otherwise. My point, though, is they're changing the definition, truly, or they're
48:31changing the terms we use of homeless because they don't want people to think about
48:36the discussions about, like Gavin Newsom said, he's going to lower homelessness.
48:39That was a term he was using in California over a 10 -year period.
48:43It's, like, doubled. Yeah. So they're changing the word, so it's, like, a new problem
48:46now, right? It's, like, oh, well, we're not dealing with the homelessness thing, Clay, because
48:49we completely failed. Now we're dealing with the unhoused population.
48:54And here's the other thing.
48:5781 ,000. This is from the comptroller of New York.
48:59This isn't, you know, right -wing angry blogger .net or something.
49:03This is from the comptroller of New York.
49:0581. thousand dollars a year per homeless person in new york well why are we
49:12spending i mean think about should we just give a check should we give a
49:16check for half of that 40 grand in cash to every homeless person one -time
49:20payment there you go lump sum it would actually cut half of the expenditures to
49:24your point and you know what's a big part of this there are a lot
49:27of people who are doing nothing to actually help homelessness that are being paid a
49:32lot of money inside of that 81 000 dollars where you get this is the
49:35ugly true this is the ugliness of it okay we're seeing this my friends some
49:40people are going to really start to pull these dots together i also think this
49:43is part of why elon just with the whole doge thing had kind of a
49:47like a thermonuclear meltdown of there's just so much fraud and so much waste and
49:52so much crap that it was and nobody fixes it unlike in a business where
49:56you would have somebody look at it and say we can't run a business like
49:59that we need that for our country and for our government i think elon was
50:03truly just overwhelmed by the scale of this and in his you know his brain
50:07is able to tackle these things at scale and he's just like this is completely
50:10this monster is 100 times larger than i even realized anyway a big part of
50:15this notice clay the um uh autistic uh like autistic kids programs the um uh
50:23child daycare somali i'm talking look at the autistic kids thing and that's in uh
50:28california i think they've started looking at the spending on these programs has gone absolutely
50:33stratospheric in recent years this is fraud my friends people are being paid a lot
50:39of money to do nothing of public benefit and they're getting taxpayer dollars to do
50:44this and you know why the democrats keep this going it's a giant cash cow
50:47for their constituents who what do you think if you walk into some city funded
50:51homelessness program in new york what do you think the voting record of the people
50:55that are getting checks from the city to run the program what do you think
50:58voter i bet it's 95 99 democrat it's just like the public school systems have
51:03become now clay this is about vote harvesting this is about uh donations this is
51:08power for the democrat party there is a homeless industrial complex now essentially of all
51:14these ngos and bureaucrats getting paid to not actually fix the problem and this is
51:20also ties in with the healthcare system being broken there was a wall street journal
51:25editorial saying 99 percent of one state i think it was ohio uh of the
51:34fraud analysis it was all fraud 99 i also think again this goes to healthcare
51:39nobody knows what it costs the government funds a ton of it doesn't look at
51:43spending there are people being paid 600 an hour to do autistic rehab that didn't
51:49actually have any kids with autism i also think this ties in with an interesting
51:53question we keep talking about how the number of kids with autism has skyrocketed that's
51:58certainly true how much of the autism diagnoses that we are seeing are completely made
52:05up and a function of being able to make money at four five and six
52:11hundred dollars to do autism therapy i mean some of these companies you saw what
52:17happened in minnesota but i think the same thing is happening in california these companies
52:22don't even have a physical location they have a po box and they're getting paid
52:27millions of dollars a year they're not even pretending just like you saw with the
52:32somali day day daycares thing remember buck it is interesting no one has come out
52:37that i've seen and said hey my family lost daycare leave aside whether you think
52:41the government should be involved in somali daycares at all if they were actually doing
52:47somali daycare wouldn't tons of people have come out and said oh my goodness the
52:52kids daycare i can't go i can't go to i haven't seen anything about this
52:56this was all a sham and it's a function of government not being uh well
53:03run enough for people to notice where all the money is going it's just it's
53:07infuriating for anybody out there that pays taxes it really is it's it's astonishing and
53:13and what you realize is that and this is a this is a pretty stark
53:18realization but it's true we think about fixing this not only are democrats unwilling to
53:25fix it they don't want it to be fixed yes they believe that this is
53:31a redistribution of wealth two people who should get the money they want homeless administrators
53:38on the on the city you know getting getting their budget paid for by the
53:42city by the taxpayers they want them making three four six hundred grand think about
53:47how crazy it is that new york is spending more money more than eighty one
53:52thousand dollars a year for every homeless person i mean it should be infuriating average
53:56household yeah city people who are working people who are showing up and we've all
54:02been there i have showed up to jobs on mornings where i hated so much
54:06i thought i was gonna throw up i mean i'm just like i'm not making
54:08any money this sucks i've we've we've all been but you show up and you
54:13suck it up and you do it you do it for your family you do
54:16it for you know the people around you who are counting on you 80 grand
54:21going to every you know spent for every individual homeless person what are they doing
54:25yeah where is all the money think about this how can that be possible where's
54:29all the money going we know what it is the public school system the public
54:32school system in new york pays more than most private schools cost across the country
54:35per pupil you know where the money goes bloated administrators making 150 grand to show
54:41up sit at a desk do nothing all day there are tens of thousands of
54:46them it's crazy how many people don't teach don't do anything and are just administrators
54:51it goes to vice principals of a district there's a vice principal what like you
54:57know in case someone needs to step in for the principal like vice principals and
55:00vice chancellors and all this stuff we're making two three hundred grand to be working
55:05for the public school system of new york or new jersey or any of these
55:07states oh and you can retire after 20 years and you get all your benefits
55:12and everything paid for i mean friends by the way this is also where all
55:15your city taxes and state taxes are going as well and you know what the
55:18game is at the end of all this clay federal bailout it's coming you get
55:23a gavin newsom administration what you think he's going to leave california high and dry
55:26with its budget deficit oh no more they'll just find ways to more that's a
55:31good point because thankfully most states have to have balanced budgets but a lot of
55:36cities have ended up going bankrupt and again the federal government doesn't so the buck
55:41to buck's point the bailout goes on the books of the federal government i saw
55:45today we hit 39 trillion national debt the debt the number today now is 39
55:52trillion and what percentage of that money do you think has been well spent again
56:01much we could strip 75 percent of all government and be better off i i
56:08mean i think that there's zero doubt about that unfortunately we're not going to do
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