The Karol Markowicz Show: Joel Pollak on the California Post, Newsom’s Policies, and the Fight for California’s Future
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0:58My guest today is Joel Pollack.
1:00Joel is the opinion editor of the brand new California Post.
1:04Hi, Joel. So nice to have you on.
1:07It's great to be with you.
1:08So what are you guys doing out there?
1:10What's the California Post all about?
1:13California Post is about providing a new, hard -hitting, journalistic perspective on everything happening in
1:21California. And my part of it is the opinion page.
1:25So I'm dealing with a lot of politics, a lot of debates over lifestyle and
1:30culture. But the paper, as you know from reading the New York Post, is also
1:35about sports. It's about celebrity.
1:37It's got everything in there that you want to hear about, gossip.
1:40And that's what keeps people coming back to the news pages and the opinion pages.
1:44So it's a real opportunity to reach people and to hold up a mirror to
1:48California. You know, the other publications, some of whom are doing great jobs, are primarily
1:55aimed at a left -of -center audience.
1:58And there's a huge underserved market in California.
2:01And it's not a partisan thing.
2:03This is not about reaching the Republicans because there are plenty of Democrats who read
2:06the New York Post as well.
2:07Sure, yeah. There are Democrats who like the California Post.
2:11And we've even had people who are fierce opponents of President Trump writing already in
2:16the California Post. But it really is about reaching an audience of people who work
2:20for a living, people who care about their families and the future, and people who
2:24believe they deserve better, not just from government, but from popular culture, people who believe
2:31in this country, believe in the state of California, the vision, the dream of California,
2:36and feel it slipping away a little bit and want to fight to preserve it.
2:40California Post, the fact that you're covering the whole state, is that, I mean, that's
2:46kind of a big job.
2:47California is the size of like three small countries.
2:50Is it hard to, I mean, the issues of Northern California are not the issues
2:54of Southern California. How are you guys going to do that?
2:58Well, we do have teams in Sacramento and in San Francisco.
3:02So we do have a headquarters in LA that branches out from there.
3:07LA is the primary market for just about anything in California, just because there are
3:13more people there. But it's really interesting, as you point out, maybe three separate countries,
3:18maybe more. San Francisco and the Bay Area are where our leaders come from.
3:24Most of our political leaders are from that area.
3:27Most of our business leaders, the billionaires, the Silicon Valley tycoons, they're obviously from the
3:32Bay Area. There is also a Silicon Beach in LA, and of course you've got
3:35Hollywood. But yes, it is a lot to cover and it's all intertwined.
3:40And it really is a wonderful state with this incredible diversity of regions.
3:48I mean, I like to write about water and there's a lot more water in
3:52Northern California than in Southern California.
3:55And what we've done over the decades and now centuries to manage that water is
4:00a fascinating story. And you can't really disentangle Northern from Southern California.
4:06The two are so interdependent, even though they do specialize in different things.
4:10So yeah, it's a tough task to cover the entire state, but we're going to
4:15build out our coverage and we're going to cover the Central Valley, the Inland Empire,
4:21the border region, far Northern California, Mendocino, and the Sierras and Shasta and all this
4:30stuff going on. It's an incredible place and I love it.
4:34I feel alive when I'm there.
4:36I go back and forth now between LA and DC because my wife is in
4:41DC where I am actually at the moment.
4:42I was in LA yesterday.
4:43I'll be in LA tomorrow, but I'm in DC today.
4:46So it's a bit of a mission, but it is a lot of fun.
4:50You know, the sense in the right of center world is that California is over,
4:56right? I mean, people are leaving in larger numbers that are coming in.
5:02The governance is obviously like a model for bad governance throughout the country, but starting
5:08California Post is a very optimistic move.
5:10Are you personally optimistic on California?
5:14I'd have to say yes, because I'm investing so much in it.
5:17So I think yes. Is my day -to -day feeling one of optimism?
5:22No. No, it really isn't.
5:24Right, no. Get that. Yeah.
5:25I look, you know, that was me in New York.
5:28Like, I think they're going to be okay long -term, but day to day, I'm
5:31like, I got to get out of here.
5:32I don't know if California is going to be okay long -term.
5:36I'd like to believe it is.
5:37Let me tell you what really motivated me to join the California Post.
5:41It was the Palisades fire.
5:43My house is in Pacific Palisades.
5:45It survived the fire. I put the house or I put the fire out on
5:50my fence and on my property and the adjacent properties.
5:54I put it out with my bare hands and with help from some neighbors.
5:59We fought the fire ourselves.
6:00We had no running water.
6:02Wow. And it was a transformative experience.
6:05Before the fire, I thought I can engage in national politics in a way.
6:10I'm not really ever going to get involved in local and state politics.
6:14I know what's going on.
6:15I report on what's going on.
6:17I take an interest, but I live in this little enclave that is part of
6:23the city of Los Angeles, but has largely been untouched by some of the pathologies
6:27of LA, the homelessness, the drugs, the crime.
6:31We're up on a little hill.
6:32There's no gate around our community.
6:34We're the kind of community where celebrities go to live if they want to live
6:38like ordinary people without a barrier between them and the rest of life.
6:43It was a little throwback Pacific Palisades to an earlier era of a small town
6:49vibe where everybody would come out to the baseball field for Little League playoffs and
6:54where you would just meet everybody at the mall.
6:57I mean, literally everybody, A -list celebrities.
6:59My wife was having lunch one day and in walks one of the Wahlbergs with,
7:05I can't even remember the other celebrities they were with and just, they're just having
7:08lunch with you. You know, it was that kind of place, but it was isolated.
7:13And California's problems were something we wrote about, but they were somebody else's problems.
7:20And they became my problem.
7:21I don't think California right now on the present course has a long -term future.
7:26I think California is digging itself up by the roots.
7:30And I'm going to give you an example of that.
7:32That's a little bit controversial, but - We love controversy on the Carol Markowitz show.
7:37Yeah. You might've heard of some of the stuff Gavin Newsom has done.
7:40I mean, some of it has been just terrible.
7:42Failing to clear the brush for the fire, the fraud that we presume is going
7:47on in California's government, because how could you double the budget without doing any commensurate
7:52improvement in services, right? Where's that money going?
7:5520 billion out the door, at least maybe 30 billion during the pandemic for unemployment
8:00fraud, maybe other kinds of fraud.
8:03Half a billion on a 9 -1 -1 system that never worked, the train to
8:07nowhere, 18 billion already, something like that.
8:09Okay. But possibly the worst thing Gavin Newsom has done is sign a law called
8:16AB 218. AB 218 basically made it a lot easier for people to sue for
8:27past sexual abuse. Now, I'm not saying that victims shouldn't have some recourse.
8:34Of course. Yeah. And some of the people who have come forward probably did experience
8:39some really terrible things. However, we have this concept of a statute of limitations, and
8:45it's not some kind of misogynistic device or a way to protect pedophiles or whatever.
8:53It's a way of limiting the damage of the sins of a few individuals.
8:58Because why should the rest of us suffer?
9:01Because a couple of people were horrible, really horrible.
9:04So what is the result of this law?
9:07The result is that a bunch of lawyers have organized a bunch of these sex
9:12abuse lawsuits. And the craziest part of this law is that you have five years
9:17to sue from the moment you remember the abuse.
9:21So make it up as you go along is definitely a possibility.
9:25I'm not saying that that's actually happening, but there's no safeguard on this really.
9:28So they're suing or threatening to sue.
9:31And what's happening? State governments, or excuse me, local governments, local governments in California and
9:37local school districts are being bankrupted.
9:41I mean, really just emptied of cash.
9:43Santa Monica, which is a fairly wealthy community on the coast, is now in severe
9:49financial distress because they had to pay out...
9:51Over one of these lawsuits?
9:52Wow. Yeah, they had to pay out something like a quarter of a billion dollars
9:56because of some city employee like 40 years ago who abused a bunch of people.
10:02And in this case, apparently it really was abuse, but it was 40 years ago
10:06or something like early 80s, 50, I don't know how many years ago.
10:09A quarter of a billion dollars.
10:11So they're cutting back on city services.
10:13How about this one? The LA Unified School District, the public school district in LA.
10:18You know how many poor kids are in LA and how they depend on the
10:21public schools because that's the only way they're going to get anywhere is going to
10:25school. Their parents are working, can't teach them.
10:28They got to go to school, public school, LA.
10:30They just borrowed $750 million to pay these old sex abuse claims.
10:36Borrowed it. They don't have the money.
10:37So they're going to have to pay back $750 million loan with interest.
10:42And that's money that could have been used to educate children.
10:50So we are deliberately... favorishing the children of today because of some abuses that happened
10:56to children a generation or two ago.
10:58In L .A. County, massive county, has to provide for a lot of people, a
11:04lot of different services, $4 billion, $4 billion.
11:08So you drive around California, beautiful place, and you wonder why are the roads so
11:13bad? Why is the infrastructure falling apart?
11:16Why does the coastline not look as good as it should, even in the fancy,
11:19nice parts? And the answer is that we are bankrupting ourselves on garbage.
11:25Sorry. I mean, I get it.
11:27It's obviously you want people to be held accountable and you want to see bad
11:33people go to prison. But 40 years later, those people are largely not alive or
11:38not going to prison, right?
11:40Yeah, you could be suing someone who's dead.
11:42So we are digging That's not justice.
11:46It's, yeah. So it's, I think my wife said it best.
11:51She said, children think they can have whatever they want.
11:56And it's the responsibility of adults to set boundaries.
12:00And California is governed by children.
12:03It is governed by people who know no boundaries and refuse to accept boundaries, whether
12:07fiscal or moral or whatever.
12:09And I'm a libertarian on social issues.
12:11I don't care what people do in their personal lives.
12:13But if you tell me that I feel I'm under threat of personal violence, unless
12:20someone uses my pronouns, or that if my parents know that I'm transitioning at school,
12:26that means I'm going to be bullied.
12:27Yeah. I mean, this is all like, we thought the cry bully phenomenon when it
12:33emerged at Yale and really started the woke movement over Halloween costumes 12 years ago.
12:37We thought that that was a campus phenomenon.
12:40It's basically become the dominant culture in California.
12:43And if you can claim victimhood, I mean, California is going to be a little
12:47bit. And on the left in general, I'd say.
12:48Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, California leads the left.
12:51How about this? Reparations. So Newsom is smart enough not to pay a lot of
12:55cash or any cash so far, but he's creating an office of reparations.
12:59Why does California have to pay reparations to anybody?
13:03Yeah. California entered the union as a free state.
13:07That was a choice made at the time.
13:09It was in 1850. So states could choose.
13:12There were some incentives to become a slave state.
13:14You get a lot of people moving there with labor to do stuff.
13:19And California needed labor. California made a moral choice not to be a slave state.
13:23Why are we paying a penalty when the moral choice was made not to be
13:29a slave state, to be a free state?
13:30And then I hear, well, you know, there was housing discrimination.
13:33Okay. But pay the people who lost property or who, you know, compensate the individuals.
13:40Don't make it this thing.
13:42So this is the problem is that we've developed a culture that emphasizes victimhood and
13:49where you aren't somebody unless you've suffered.
13:51And that's just not healthy.
13:54It's not healthy. You know, we live in a beautiful state.
13:57We need to emphasize the positive and the forward and the future.
14:00And ultimately, that's the only thing that's going to pull us out of this.
14:04So am I optimistic about California?
14:06Are you optimistic? Yeah. No, but I am optimistic that it can be better.
14:12So I don't think it's going to be saved just yet, but I do think
14:15it can be better. Well, we're rooting for you for sure.
14:19Not just for you personally, but for the whole state.
14:21It's such a beautiful state.
14:22I've always enjoyed my time in California and I would hate to think that it's
14:27a failed state. Although obviously, again, I'm very concerned about the path that it's on
14:32and the fact that Gavin Newsom is planning to take that, you know, amazing leadership,
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15:46The New York Post has what I would consider some, you know, esoteric beats.
15:52They, you know, they cover specific issues in New York City politics.
15:55Is California Post going to have kind of their pet issues?
16:02When we were starting up, one of the things I suggested is that we should
16:06print a daily surf report.
16:08Oh, I like that. Yeah.
16:09It turns out to be very hard because even in the same city, with the
16:14same weather conditions in the atmosphere, you can have very different ocean conditions.
16:18Right. Do you surf? I asked my friends.
16:20I asked my friends. I asked my friends.
16:20I'm a very casual surfer.
16:22I mean, I'm really at the beginning level of surfing.
16:24And if I stay on the board, I'm happy with myself.
16:26You know, like I kind of wimp out, especially in the winter waves.
16:30The winter waves will really dump you.
16:32I wimp out and I basically surf the white water, the foam, you know, just
16:36to get up on a board and have some fun.
16:38But I do enjoy it.
16:39And I have friends who are very serious.
16:41And I've said to them, where do you go for information about what the surf
16:45conditions are? And they'll list a whole bunch of websites.
16:48And they were the most skeptical that you could summarize this information in one place.
16:53They're just like, it's kind of hard.
16:55I mean, I'm not saying we won't do it in the future, but yeah, we
16:57could do the surf report.
16:59We could do the ski report.
17:00You know, people always want to know how much powder there is on Tahoe or
17:03Mammoth or whatever. It's a great state.
17:05I have, in fact, surfed and skied in the same weekend, which is like, you
17:09know, yeah, yeah. I always say that the ocean in L .A.
17:12is just it's way too cold for me.
17:14And I'm, you know, I'm a New Yorker.
17:16I swam in the cold Atlantic.
17:19The L .A. Pacific Ocean is, I don't know, way too cold.
17:23You get used to it, sort of.
17:24Yeah. There were a period of years where I would go in the water almost
17:28every single day. And I have a tradition of going in on New Year's Day.
17:32I'm one of those January 1st people who goes to the water.
17:35And it's not that cold.
17:37But basically, from January to April, it's below 60 degrees by the coast in the
17:45water. Yeah. And you start to feel your chest compress after about a minute.
17:50Unpleasant. Yeah. Yeah. So you get out.
17:52And like, if you've been in water that cold, you start, you'll understand, like, you
17:56just kind of feel this compression here.
17:57And it kind of presses down into your stomach.
17:59And you're like, I got to get out of here.
18:01But that's your body telling you you shouldn't be doing this.
18:04But the feeling you have after you're out of the water is incredible.
18:08I mean, the rush of the cold water.
18:10I'm told by people who swim in cold water regularly that it's supposed to be
18:14very good for your immune system.
18:16Right. The cold plunge thing.
18:17Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I like it.
18:19I like the cold water.
18:21I do think it's hard to take kids into the cold water.
18:24I have one child who just adores the water and doesn't care what temperature it
18:29is. And I have one child who, if it's a hair below 80 degrees, won't
18:34go. Yeah. That's me. I can't even do Miami in, like, the winter months anymore.
18:38When we first moved here, like, December ocean was great.
18:42Now it's like, oh, no, it's winter.
18:44It's too cold. I can't.
18:46What are you most proud of in your life?
18:50I am most proud of my wife.
18:52I'm most proud of my wife.
18:53There's no way in which I deserved to have married this incredible woman.
18:58And she continues to amaze me every single day.
19:02How long are you married?
19:04We have been married for 16 years.
19:06We've been married for 16 years.
19:08And we've known each other for 21 years.
19:11So what's so great? And we have four kids, four beautiful kids, who have, thank
19:16God, been very healthy and rambunctious and very good.
19:21We have had no problems with any of that.
19:25And my wife is the chief economist of the Department of Labor here in D
19:31.C. Oh, wow. We ended up in D .C.
19:33And we have four kids without a nanny.
19:35We do take the baby to daycare.
19:37But the eldest is 14.
19:38The youngest is just over a one -year -old.
19:41And she balances everything. And I don't really know how she does it.
19:47But she's just this incredible woman.
19:49She's also incredibly attractive. And I just, I have inappropriate thoughts about her all day.
19:57So that's the thing. I love that so much.
20:01I really do. A lot of people say they're kids.
20:04You know, that's like kind of the automatic answer.
20:06I love that you are so effusive about loving your wife.
20:09That's just beautiful. But proud of her.
20:12Like it's, you know. Yeah.
20:14It's definitely my greatest achievement.
20:16I mean, I still don't know quite how I managed it.
20:20But I do think that if I had to give dating advice, it would be
20:25mostly for men. Because I think men are the limiting factor in moving relationships forward.
20:29I think persistence is the key to everything.
20:33That you, you don't want to become a stalker.
20:36Okay. Sure. Right. No stalking.
20:38Yeah. But if you show interest, you know, it goes a long way.
20:43And I, when I met her, I knew this was the woman I wanted to
20:47marry. And so I did not let go of it.
20:49Oh, I love that so much.
20:51That is so awesome. This is a show about advice also.
20:54It's about living better. And a lot of people write in asking, you know, questions
20:57about relationships. So I really love that.
21:00I didn't realize it the instant I met.
21:03When I, the day I met her, I had other thoughts, which are not repeatable
21:09on the broadcast. But then over time, when I managed somehow to land this incredibly
21:14attractive woman, I began realizing that I had fallen in love with her.
21:19So it was about three or four months in.
21:21And then I said, okay, I'm putting aside the rest of my life to make
21:24sure this happens. So. Oh, I love this.
21:27I love that story so much.
21:29Thank you for sharing that with us.
21:30We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz
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22:38Give us a five -year -out prediction and it could be about anything at all.
22:43My worldview has become a little bit more narrow since the fire.
22:47When President Trump was inaugurated the second time, normally I would have been watching TV
22:52and working on an article about it, taking it all in.
22:56Or I would have been there.
22:58I was at his first inauguration.
23:00Instead, I was with firefighters at the incident base camp in Malibu as they were
23:05deploying to different parts of the Palisades fire to check on hot spots and collect
23:10data and do all kinds of surveillance.
23:13Most of the fire was out by then, but they were still trying to contain
23:16it. And I remember listening to the president's inaugural address while I was with the
23:21firefighters. And it was a huge event, obviously, but it was also secondary to what
23:27I was dealing with. And a few days later, Trump actually came to Pacific Palisades
23:32and I was in the town hall meeting and spoke with him.
23:36And I met Melania Trump, the first lady.
23:38She was incredibly gracious. So my worldview has narrowed to what's happening in my community.
23:45And when I think of five -year time horizons, that really feels to me like
23:50when I hope my community is rebuilt.
23:54I think it's not unreasonable to hope that - Yeah, that sounds reasonable, five years.
23:58It might not happen because there are so many roadblocks right now.
24:01But in five years, I'd like to be in my house, in my community.
24:07I know it's going to be different than it was.
24:09We'll never get it back exactly as it was, but we will hopefully have a
24:12beautiful community again. I should say beautiful neighborhood.
24:15The community is still there.
24:16People are still in touch on WhatsApp and all kinds of things.
24:19But I'm hoping that that happens.
24:21I'm hoping my kids are happy in school.
24:24It's very hard to balance the needs of children who are different and have different
24:28talents. My eldest, she's really into music.
24:32She's also into religion. My second, he is an avid baseball player.
24:37He's a very good baseball player.
24:38He likes religion, but he enjoys the kind of rough and tumble of public school
24:43a little bit more. He's more of a street kid.
24:46He's persona. And my third and fourth are still developing who they are.
24:51But, you know, I'm hoping that the kids are happy and well -adjusted and my
24:55daughter will be on her way to some good college, I hope, something that's not
24:59true. If they'll still exist by then, you know.
25:01Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm hoping for that kind of personal happiness because if
25:07I can enjoy that, it probably means there's also a public happiness going on in
25:11my community as well. So that's where I hope things are five years out.
25:14That's really great. We're rooting for you, really.
25:17Thank you. I've loved this conversation.
25:20I feel like I didn't know that much about you and I've really gotten to
25:22know you on this talk.
25:25Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve
25:29their lives. I'll give you a couple.
25:31I'll give you a couple since I have a couple of props here just unintentionally.
25:35It's an audio show, but okay.
25:37Yeah. Oh, I see. Well, I'll explain.
25:39So I've got some advice that came from my late friend, Scott Adams, which is
25:46that physical health is really the foundation of everything else.
25:50And if you can exercise daily or almost daily, you'll find that your mental and
25:57emotional outlook is a lot better.
25:59And it doesn't have to be strenuous exercise.
26:02You're not becoming an Instagram fitness influencer, but just find something you enjoy.
26:06It could even be walking your dog around the park a couple extra times, not
26:12just to relieve the dog, but to just get some more steps in.
26:15It's really great. I mean, you'll feel, you'll feel better.
26:17And here's my prop. I mean, this is my favorite form of exercise and I'm
26:20not trying to flex too hard here, maybe just a little bit, but you know,
26:23this is, this is one of my boxing gloves.
26:25I mean, I discovered boxing almost 10 years ago and I box about twice a
26:30week and it's incredible. Just absolutely incredible.
26:34It's a wonderful, it's a wonderful form of exercise because it is challenging.
26:40It's difficult, but you're also not really going to get injured if you're not taking
26:46punches. So I do a little bit of sparring, but not much.
26:49Mostly what I'm doing is just fitness training and mitt work and you're not really
26:54going to get injured. I did run before running is hard to keep up because
26:57after a while your knees start to hurt.
27:00I just love boxing. And the other piece of advice that was given to me
27:04more than 25 years ago that I actually followed was to keep a daily journal.
27:11And there's a, I do.
27:13There's a wonderful book called The Artist's Way by Julia.
27:15Cameron, where she advises that people write three pages a day.
27:19And lately, I've only been able to manage one a day.
27:21But this is my latest journal.
27:24I have dozens and dozens of these that I've filled.
27:27I mean, this is mine.
27:29Wow. Wow. Joel is showing me really full pages in a journal.
27:33Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the challenge is you got to fill the page.
27:37Really, you should fill three pages, but I have a lot going on.
27:40Every day? Every single day?
27:41Every six days a week.
27:43I do it. Wow. That's amazing.
27:46I feel like such a hero when I check my email every day.
27:50You know, it really opened up a lot of pathways for me.
27:53I didn't become a screenwriter or an award -winning novelist.
28:00She advertises it as a way to unlock your creativity.
28:03But there are other ways to be creative.
28:05I just found ways of writing nonfiction that came out of that experience.
28:10And I think that practice enables me to write a lot of material in a
28:17short period of time because I start the day by writing something for myself.
28:20And so you kind of get some creative ideas.
28:24You also get rid of the mental clutter that you wake up with and then
28:27you just write. So my advice would be get that book.
28:32There are two books I would recommend.
28:33The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron.
28:35And then Scott Adams' book, which I happen to have here, How to Fail at
28:40Almost Everything and Still Win Big.
28:42That's where he talks about many things, but also about exercise.
28:45That would be my advice.
28:47Amazing. Thank you so much, Hughes, Joel Pollack.
28:49Check out the California Post.
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28:56and for you, Joel. Thank you so much.
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