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1:05Welcome in everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.

1:12Kicks off right now. Got some things to discuss with all of you.

1:16We've got the continuing Epstein fallout of all the documents, including Bill Clinton's deposition now.

1:27Something we could discuss here.

1:28Hillary Clinton testifying. Clay, just as a follow -up.

1:33Remember when they said that some photo got leaked?

1:36Apparently it was being recorded.

1:37And so it just, the photo came out in advance of the recorded session.

1:42So it was really just a total tempest in a teapot.

1:44The whole thing was absurd.

1:46No surprise with any of that.

1:47More on the Trump -USA hockey relationship.

1:53Awesomeness for Americans who love America.

1:55But there are some, there are some sad, sad exclamation point, malcontents out there who

2:04do not love fun, America, gold medals, hockey.

2:09And they are annoyed about this.

2:11Including one athlete who only ever gets attention anymore for being one of those people

2:16who is a malcontent and cannot celebrate the greatness of USA, USA without raining on

2:23the parade a bit. Another update on the NYPD snowball assault situation, which I have

2:31to say, I am gratified that at least some people, well, we are certainly, but

2:36the police commissioner was taking it very seriously.

2:39But as I warned you, I saw this one coming.

2:43It's not up to the police commissioner whether these individuals get punished or not.

2:47So we will give you the latest on that.

2:50Some Immigrations and Customs Enforcement updates.

2:54And then Paramount takes over Warner Brothers.

2:56Clay, our media M &A expert, is going to explain why this matters.

3:02This is one of those things where truly, I don't even know.

3:05He knows, he could run the org chart for all these places from his head.

3:10Like, he actually knows who's in charge and who owns what.

3:13I don't even, it was like Viacom, Discovery Channel, Movie Studio, something or other.

3:20I don't know any of this stuff.

3:21I think it's going to be a big deal.

3:23We'll dive into that. But I think probably the number one story right now, as

3:27we were just talking about off air, Buck, is Bill Clinton is testifying in the

3:32Epstein probe. Yesterday was Hillary.

3:35Today is Bill Clinton. And so, let me give you my take, and then everybody

3:39can be angry at it.

3:40Oh, yes, here we go.

3:41Nothing is going to come of this.

3:43Bill Clinton is going to answer questions as a smart attorney would, denying, he's already

3:50put out a public statement, denying that he had any knowledge of it at all,

3:54wagging his finger at all of us like he did with Monica Lewinsky.

3:57And it's going to be basically impossible to prove that he did anything wrong.

4:01Let me tell you where this is going, because I do think this is significant,

4:05and we'll open up the phone lines if people want to weigh in.

4:10The Jeffrey Epstein case, whatever you might have thought of it in the past, is

4:15now the primary method by which Democrats are attacking Donald Trump.

4:19And it is illegitimate, and it is not based in reality, but they have used

4:26anger on the right and some anger on the left, and they are just trying

4:32to channel that anger into Trump.

4:35And they are using Steele dossier like BS, Russia collusion like BS, Brett Kavanaugh accusation

4:43like BS, to now attack President Trump, who did nothing of any criminal nature at

4:51all. So, that is where we are.

4:53That's a very important observation.

4:55I agree with nothing is going to come from this.

4:58I'm always the womp womp guy here.

5:00I told you, nothing is going to come of the JFK files.

5:02Nothing is going to come of the Epstein files.

5:05Let me be clear. That's not the same as saying, I don't think that we

5:08should have transparency into them.

5:10Sure. But if there was something in there that could be charged, they would have

5:15charged it. They're not going to release files that say, oh, here's this, like, super

5:21powerful rich guy who's actually an underage sex criminal.

5:24and we just didn't even think about this till now of course there's nothing in

5:30there that they're going to charge there are things that are unsavory there are things

5:35that are make you think you know people have lost jobs and and uh professorships

5:40and you know this is there's fallout for sure but the fallback fallout is for

5:45being a scumbag and to be clear not for criminal behavior people are suffering consequences

5:52now and you can make of this what you will but i do think there's

5:56a little bit of a moral panic going on where you have some people who

6:00are having to defend themselves on the trump side of things who didn't do anything

6:06yeah but because they're in the hepstein files and this has been turned into this

6:11you know giant uh conspiracy of global cover -up and everything else um you know

6:17you have to go with the facts and you have to be clear and precise

6:20on this clay to what you're saying this is the primary way that people who

6:26hate you and everything that donald trump is trying to accomplish for you is trying

6:32to cleave trump from the base with this is their weapon right now they go

6:39epstein epstein epstein and they say that this as if like trump is somehow the

6:44guy who is implicated he's if anything he's implicated in being the one guy who's

6:49like epstein's a scumbag why aren't you guys doing more about this 15 years ago

6:53and yet clay democrats recognize that this is now a tool that they can use

7:00through misrepresenting what's in there and it also goes to why did trump not really

7:05want to get into this why did trump look at some of this and realize

7:09you know what's going to happen here you're going to get a lot of a

7:12lot of people are just going to come to conclusions about this that aren't in

7:15evidence and then democrats are going to say see it's all trump or he's still

7:20covering it up or he his name is in there they're going to misrepresent this

7:24to suggest that donald trump is like the primary epstein suspect number one when that's

7:30the opposite of what the files actually shows about donald trump yeah i think what

7:36you said is important people who uh are trump supporters are being used uh through

7:43the epstein files to attack trump and here's two big things that i think are

7:47here and again the story today is president clinton former president clinton is testifying um

7:54i don't think anything's going to come of this i don't think anything's going to

7:58come of the hillary clinton uh mess was it unseemly yes uh was it criminal

8:04in nature i don't think so based on everything that i've seen i think it

8:08would be very hard to charge people criminally here are two big facts that i

8:12think are important that are not getting talked about enough the trump doj charged epstein

8:18i don't know why no one is talking about this the trump doj these charges

8:23that came down against jeffrey epstein they were brought by the donald trump department of

8:29justice in 2019 when trump was still in office nobody was charging epstein nothing was

8:36being done the trump doj charged him this is after the uh the the the

8:41pleading guilty to uh the interaction with i think it was like what alan dershowitz

8:47told us was a 17 and a half year old masseuse for sexual uh sexual

8:52assault in that case in some way so point one soliciting a prostitute was actually

8:58the charge soliciting an underage prostitute yeah trump's department of justice charged epstein uh is

9:04point one point two joe biden's department of justice had all of these files for

9:10four years not one democrat demanded that they release all these files not one democrat

9:17demanded that there be any sort of public investigation surrounding epstein at all again trump's

9:24doj charged epstein in 2019 which led to his death when he was eventually in

9:29custody suicide according to the fbi biden's department of justice had these files kept them

9:35private for four years did nothing with them and no democrat made any demands whatsoever

9:40so why do i bring both of those things up uh do you think that

9:46if there had been evidence of criminal uh wrongdoing that biden's doj wouldn't have charged

9:51trump in a heartbeat they tried to bankrupt and imprison him uh for the rest

9:56of his life can i just add to this i don't want to stop your

9:58flow they made up crimes to charge him with on other things you don't think

10:02that they would love to nail him as a sex criminal they would have killed

10:06maga as a movement in one fell swoop no of course they didn't have anything

10:10on him so again trump's doj charged epstein biden's doj had these files private for

10:15four years not one democrat said anything i think you need to be smart and

10:19i think you need to ask yourself wait a minute why now do all these

10:23democrats claim that they care so much about jeffrey epstein when they didn't say one

10:27word when biden's department of justice had all these files for four years because trump

10:32is right it's being used as a way to attack trump and they're using a

10:37lot of trump supporters as the fuel under which they are making these attacks i

10:42just think might make some people uncomfortable we'll open up uh phone lines but that

10:46is the reality of where we are right now i also think buck we're dealing

10:51with a me to like feeding frenzy I'll give you an example Howard Lutnick whatever

10:57you think about him and I don't know Howard Lutnick personally he took his family

11:03on a boat and his kids to have lunch with Jeffrey Epstein in the Caribbean

11:09you might not like that but the idea that he's in some way engaged in

11:13some sort of uh nefarious underage sex ring when he took his own children and

11:19his wife to have lunch in the on the Caribbean island when he was on

11:23a boat in the Caribbean this the if your name is in there it's a

11:28feeding frenzy like the me too thing where people don't actually look at the accusations

11:32and details themselves well but also this is why the dis the dishonesty of Democrats

11:37about this the Epstein list when you're really looking at who knew about his criminal

11:44conviction and that he was a scumbag and that there were stuff here because they

11:49spent a lot of time with him and they really liked him it is a

11:52who's who of Democrats it's a who's who of Democrats on the Epstein list and

11:58all they are trying to do is go Trump Trump Trump Trump they are running

12:02a propaganda op my friends this is why you have to get manufacturing delusion because

12:08I explain in the propaganda chapter exactly the tactics that they are using here it

12:14doesn't matter what the facts are it doesn't matter what's really in the files they

12:18are going fire hose of falsehood this is all about Trump and Clay to your

12:23point this is very important they are setting Trump's own supporters after him and after

12:29his people on this for uh for months now and you know we've been fielding

12:34a lot of the angry emails and calls too first of all like we're two

12:38guys sit here in t -shirts talking about things like I have no power to

12:42release DOJ files I'm glad that they've released the files but I want to point

12:46something out now what's happened is that there are a lot of people who are

12:51are you know they're being spent essentially smeared for any association with Epstein whatsoever I'm

12:58talking about a pretty de minimis one I mean imagine in the P.

13:01Diddy case think of all the people P.

13:03Diddy P. Diddy he was doing was disgusting he's a disgraceful deviant who's now in

13:08prison there are some people that knew and that participated and that were probably complicit

13:13in his crimes and there were a lot of people who went to his fancy

13:16parties is everybody who is in P.

13:19Diddy's orbit equally guilty uh no of course not but what you're seeing with the

13:23Epstein thing is a lot of selective focusing of attention on Trump on Lutnik on

13:31irrespective of what the facts actually show and I think this is what Trump was

13:35concerned about all along and he was right all of that is true I would

13:39add in the reason why a lot of people aren't being honest with you across

13:44a lot of media about this is because much like in me too if you

13:50speak out a lot of people are afraid that they're going to become targets so

13:55there's a lot of people out there who agree with 100 % of everything that

13:59Buck and I just said in media and they won't tell it to you because

14:03they're afraid that suddenly everybody's going to target them much like in me too I'll

14:08give you an example the Matt Damon one was a good one remember when Matt

14:10Damon came out and said hey you know there's a big difference between grabbing some

14:15uh woman's butt at a party and rape and we should keep in mind that

14:20every accusation in me too is not the same and remember he got ripped to

14:25shreds by people in Hollywood who said oh no no no there is no difference

14:30at all like like wait a minute you know the whole reason we have a

14:34criminal justice system is because there is a difference between grabbing a girl's butt at

14:39a party and actual rape and Matt Damon tried to say that in the middle

14:43of me too and they ripped him to shreds for it and a lot of

14:46other people just said I'm not going to touch it because I'm not going to

14:49get targeted and this is where we're entering moral panic phase now the Epstein thing

14:54if you want more trans you know I don't know what transparency even would mean

14:56at this point I mean there's millions that have people have people wanting more transparency

15:00even read 10 of the files that have been released I mean that's another question

15:04here uh but you know if you want more answers that's I respect if you

15:08want to know how the DOJ screwed this up so badly the first time around

15:11meaning the release of the documents that was a total and we called them out

15:15for that it was you know a PR disaster but there's a difference than a

15:19PR disaster and being a pedo protector which is what I and I'm seeing people

15:25on our at least ostensibly on the right who are saying this about some of

15:30the top Trump people and I'm I'm just like and we you know we know

15:34some of these people you know if you think this is what I was trying

15:38to say even when there was all that heat remember there was all that heat

15:41on our friend Dan Bongino when when he was doing this and we're like no

15:43guys he's trying I promise you he's trying if you think Dan Bongino is protecting

15:48pedos you're a moron okay he's not and I just have to speak honestly to

15:54people about this if you think that's happening you are in the midst of a

15:58manufactured delusion okay none day in 15 years okay trust me it's like the the

16:04last guy who's gonna you know bend the knee on something like that when it

16:08comes to protecting kids crazy but people are and Trump oh I I just I

16:13start to lose with it so no but I think it's important so the the

16:16Clinton thing is going on we'll open up phone lines you can disagree with every

16:20you you thing we just said, we are right.

16:22And I understand that the Trump administration has not been perfect.

16:26Pam Bondi, the biggest mishap of year one was Pam Bondi trying to answer questions

16:31about this. And there are lots of people in media who have tried to convince

16:36a lot of people that there's some sort of pedophile ring that's running around and

16:41everything else. The evidence shows that there were a lot of rich guys that wanted

16:45access to 20 year old models.

16:48I mean, that's like 90 percent of the women doesn't make you a bad, evil,

16:53criminal person. If you want to be with a 25, Victoria, 25 year old Victoria's

16:57Secret model, you're like 90 percent of, you know, single guys in America.

17:02OK, that there's nothing wrong with that.

17:04You might think it's skeevy if you're a married guy or something that's different.

17:08But, you know, we just need to have these distinctions.

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18:58I want both of our sacks to be fun.

19:00You two idiots are perfect for each other.

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19:13The new season of Scrubs.

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19:20Welcome in hour number two.

19:23Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we are rolling through the Friday

19:29edition of the program. Continue to take your calls and your talkbacks.

19:32President Trump just stopped to talk with the media on his way to the helicopter.

19:39He is headed to the state of Texas to have a rally in advance of

19:45the big primary happening in Texas on Tuesday.

19:50Yesterday, we took a lot of calls from Texans who are voting for Jasmine Crockett

19:55in the Democrat primary. Today, I will announce that we have, unlike Stephen Colbert, actually

20:03offered Jasmine Crockett an opportunity to come on this program and explain to all of

20:09you why she would be the best choice for Texas voters.

20:13We will see whether or not she is willing to come on, but unlike the

20:18awful racist Stephen Colbert who tried to rig the Texas Democrat primary in favor of

20:24the white man, Buck and I are offering a proud black woman opportunity to convince

20:30all of you why she is the perfect voice for Texas.

20:32We will see if she accepts our offer.

20:36We have been talking about the fact that we have a press conference, a sorry,

20:43deposition going on right now of former President Clinton relating to Epstein.

20:50President Trump just weighed in on that.

20:52And again, there are a lot of news stories out there.

20:56Um, and, uh, and we will dive into, uh, his comments shortly as we're going

21:03to be grabbing those. Uh, but again, big primary going on in Texas.

21:08Um, let's see. Uh, this is Hurley in Lincoln, Nebraska, many different talkbacks on KFA

21:17B in Omaha. Uh, let's listen to cut Jay.

21:21Before you guys waste another day talking about fluff that none of us can do

21:25anything about, uh, get your listeners to, uh, call their senators and to call John

21:31Thune and to tell them to get the save act passed.

21:35Now do something that can actually save America for a change for a change.

21:41Um, there, I like that idea, except it still isn't going to happen because Thune's

21:45not going to do it because they're not going to get rid of the filibuster.

21:47not going to pass the save act i think the save act should be passed

21:51um i do too do you think you think there's any realistic prospect for it

21:55to be passed absolutely not percent so they're not going to do away with it

21:58look right now in the senate unless you can get 60 votes nothing happens and

22:04so unless you can get 60 votes uh unless they do away with the filibuster

22:09which they're not willing to do so that's what we'd have to we'd have to

22:12call thun and say thun get rid of the filibuster for the save act because

22:16otherwise they'll just say with the filibuster it's not happening and so we go back

22:21to square one not not to put a damper on things i appreciate the gentleman's

22:26spirit but you're saying do something we can actually do something about that doesn't really

22:30count for the save act but we'll try we can reach out to thun and

22:34let him know that we think he should actually pass this bill he will not

22:37come on the show ladies and gentlemen just so you know we have invited him

22:40multiple times he will not come on this program he declined to come on which

22:44is kind of a straight up no not coming on what's that all about interesting

22:48uh so nice i think he's scared of clay i think he's scared to get

22:52pensed by clay it could be true um let's see here uh is it talor

22:59talor from san diego furious stop covering up for pedophiles all right we're pedophiles here's

23:07cut this is the last day i can ever listen to your show because i

23:12can't believe i can't believe you're part of this whole cover -up oh nothing happened

23:16really go look at this damn files stop talking dumb and covering up for these

23:23pedophiles unless you're one too what what does that even mean i well first of

23:30all when did we say nothing happened i went did did she not whatever lady's

23:34name is a lady right um yes i think so i mean it sounded like

23:37a lady i mean you know you never know these days uh we i said

23:42jeffrey epstein you know is dead because he was facing the rest of his life

23:47in prison for being a pedophile and for having child uh sexual abuse material huge

23:52amounts of it i mean he was going to prison for the rest of his

23:55life no no ifs ands or buts he's a bad guy we all get that

23:59he's a bad guy she's saying covering up for pedophiles who yes who is covering

24:05who are we covering up for who i just want to know the name and

24:08by the way anyone says oh but why don't you look into why won't the

24:11victims the victims in some cases you sit here you go okay well victim of

24:17what exactly are you of age or are you underage there's a big distinction that

24:21is made in law and should be made in the discourse about this as well

24:25who did who violated any of the victims that we don't know about they should

24:30tell us if they're not willing to tell us what are we supposed to make

24:34of that clay no i i look i i do not know and have never

24:39met anyone um that would cover up any sort of crime against a child i

24:48haven't i haven't ever met anyone that would do that in my own life i

24:53don't know pam bondy personally we do know president trump pretty well jd vance pretty

24:59well marco rubio pretty well a lot of people in the pete hegseth a lot

25:02of people in that administration they would crawl over broken glass to prosecute people who

25:11are in any way engaging in crimes against children dan bongino cash patel whoever you

25:19want to uh name there so if you're alleging that there are child sex crimes

25:26that have occurred and people are being protected then the people who are doing the

25:32protecting are also guilty of crimes that's not true that's not happening and i understand

25:40people get fired up because there has been frankly a lot of people who've made

25:46a lot of money arguing that there's a huge child sex ring and jeffrey epstein

25:53was leading it and all these famous people are involved even with all these emails

25:58coming out the the what has been shown clearly is that epstein used attractive women

26:05to engage in opportunities to build a network for business for his own benefit i

26:14don't think there's any doubt about that but what has not been shown is that

26:18there was some sort of illicit trade going on in underage women most of the

26:23women mentioned in any relation to epstein were of age and if they have evidence

26:30of crimes they have the ability to go forward and make their allegations publicly they

26:37actually they have the obligation they have the obligation obligation to do so they have

26:41been paid again hundreds of millions of millions of dollars in uh in settlement money

26:48from the epstein uh and from banks people say again i i want to reiterate

26:53ndas do not uh are not enforceable here you're not going to see somebody lose

26:58whatever money they already got uh they have an obligation to speak and tell us

27:04who committed crimes against them or who they saw committing crimes even if they weren't

27:08the the actual victim they won't do it and so again what is actually going

27:14on here Democrats have recognized that they can attack President Trump over this, and they

27:22are going to attack President Trump all the way through the rest of the year

27:26because they believe they get political benefit from it.

27:30But I'm asking you to just think about it, just rationally think about this for

27:35a minute. Trump's DOJ is who charged Jeffrey Epstein in 2019.

27:41Joe Biden's Department of Justice had all of this, all of this information, and they

27:47didn't do anything for four years, and now Democrats are trying to attack Trump over

27:52the Epstein files. Use your brains.

27:55It doesn't add up. Also, I would just say the throwing around things like pedo

28:00protector or even just calling someone a pedo without any basis whatsoever, it's just the

28:07most pathetic and gross attack on a person you can possibly make.

28:15It's the new racist. It's like calling someone a rapist.

28:17Or a racist. Or a racist, yeah.

28:20Those words have lost their pop because they've been so overused.

28:27Calling random people pedophiles is not a way to actually catch pedophiles, just like calling

28:33people racist is not a way to actually address racism.

28:38And so, again, I think you have to work through this.

28:42President Trump is being attacked by Democrats who are not operating in good faith.

28:48Here's what I think, too, Buck.

28:49I think Bill and Hillary Clinton being deposed I think is setting the table.

28:55I'm just going to tell you where I think this is going to go.

28:59Republicans, I mean, sorry, Democrats are going to start arguing we need to have President

29:04Trump and Melania under oath talking about the Epstein files, too.

29:08Of course. So, for those of you out there who are like, oh, they're going

29:11to get Hillary, oh, they're going to get Bill Clinton, this is going to end

29:14it, actually flip it. If Democrats take back control of the House, they're going to

29:19demand that President Trump and Melania testify under oath about Epstein, just like Bill and

29:25Hillary Clinton. They're already doing this.

29:27This is cut four. This is Ro Khanna out of California in Congress.

29:32Play four. A new precedent has been set in America today.

29:39Before this, we had the Trump rule.

29:41Trump defied, as all of you know, a congressional subpoena with the January 6th Committee.

29:45He said presidents don't have to testify.

29:49Now we have the Clinton rule, which is the presidents and their families have to

29:53testify when Congress issues a subpoena.

29:56And that means that Donald Trump needs to come before our committee and explain what

30:01he knew about Epstein and explain why we have not had a full release of

30:06the documents. There you go.

30:09This is where it's headed.

30:10So expect that as we get closer to the midterms now, they are going to

30:16argue we've got to have President Trump under oath.

30:19Why won't he go under oath?

30:21We've got to have Melania under oath.

30:23Why will she not go under oath?

30:25Again, I think they are playing, Democrats are, chess.

30:29It has nothing to do, nothing whatsoever to do with the Epstein case at all.

30:34It is just Epstein and his awfulness being used as a lever to attack President

30:42Trump. And a lot of Trump supporters are playing into this.

30:47And I just think you need to understand what's actually going on.

30:50Do you really believe? Do you really believe that Democrats who didn't say a word

30:55for four years when Biden was in office are really desperately concerned about justice relating

31:01to Epstein in any way?

31:02Of course not. They are just, they see it as an opportunity to attack President

31:08Trump and try to keep him from being able to have success going forward.

31:13President Trump just said. We can talk.

31:16Trump just spoke. We'll get to some of those sound bites here in a second.

31:21We'll hear, let's bring this up right into the news cycle.

31:24And then we can leave the kind of Epstein conspiracy theorizing.

31:27And it's just, honestly, it's just exhausting at this point.

31:31I don't know what else to say about it.

31:34You know, we sit here, there's a big portion of MAGA that wants to talk

31:39about this and only this.

31:41And if you don't talk about this, you're covering up for pedophiles.

31:44And then there are a lot of other people who are like, you know, I'm

31:46trying to live my life here and there's other things going on and none of

31:49this is going to amount to anything anyway of any meaning in terms of this

31:53document release. So that's this is what we're stuck in the middle of.

31:57And too many Republican politicians, Clay, are scared of their own voters to just tell

32:02them this is the deal, guys.

32:04This is where it is now.

32:05OK, they're just they just don't want to deal with the heat.

32:08Yeah, they're afraid of the heat.

32:09Is this Ali? Is this Bill?

32:11Is this Trump talking about Bill Clinton right now?

32:13Is that cut 26 or is this a different cut?

32:15Here is Trump just now.

32:18There's a little bit of audio issue in the background because he's about to get

32:23on a helicopter. But here is President Trump talking about Bill Clinton under under the

32:29deposition. Cut 26. I don't like seeing him deposed.

32:33But they certainly went after me a lot more than that.

32:39I don't like them. I don't like them.

32:41But I like them. So Trump's saying.

32:43you If you couldn't hear that, I don't like seeing him deposed, but they certainly

32:46went after me a lot more than that.

32:49Why do you think President Trump doesn't?

32:51President Trump's smart enough to see this.

32:53He knows that Bill and Hillary Clinton, that Democrats, the reason why they voted to

32:59allow Bill and Hillary Clinton to be deposed is they don't have anything to lose.

33:02What do they care about Bill and Hillary Clinton now?

33:04They want to set the precedent that now President Trump and Melania have to go

33:08under oath and be deposed.

33:10How do you think MSNBC is going to cover that?

33:12How do you think it's going to be covered by CNN?

33:16Again, I'm just telling you exactly where this is going.

33:19It's not going to a place where people are getting prosecuted.

33:23It's going to be political 100 % from here on out.

33:26I also would need an explanation, Clay, and I really do want to move past

33:30this, so I promise you.

33:31For any of you who are as exasperated and frustrated with this as I am,

33:34remember, Republicans are making us talk about this insofar as they've got a former First

33:39Lady and Secretary of State and almost president, sorry, Hillary, almost president, and they've got

33:45Bill Clinton as well now, two -term president.

33:48This is what they're being.

33:49This is what Congress is spending time doing, so this is why we're on it.

33:51But I just want to know the people that are so frustrated with this.

33:54So, somehow there are those out there who think that Donald Trump is a great

34:00American hero, a patriot, a guy who took a bullet for his country, a guy

34:03who's trying to save the country, a man who has been able to defeat tremendous

34:08evil of the deep state, go down the list, all this stuff, but he's covering

34:13up for pedos. That's a moronic position to hold, okay?

34:19You cannot believe those two things simultaneously.

34:21You cannot believe that somebody is awesome, but does this one horrible thing that would

34:25undermine everything else about them.

34:27That's just not a thing.

34:28So, keep that in mind as we're going through this stuff, and people are saying,

34:31well, Trump is still, what?

34:34Trump is covering up for, you think Trump would cover up for Bill Gates or

34:39Bill Clinton? Or do you think Trump would risk his presidency or, you know, I

34:43mean, it's crazy, but that is where we are.

34:47And I do think you're right, unfortunately, Buck, that a lot of Republicans in office

34:52and a lot of media are afraid to tell people this because they're like, it's

34:56going to blow back on me.

34:58This is the truth. We tell you the truth here.

34:59Sometimes it makes people uncomfortable.

35:01Yeah. And if you're mad, be mad at Clay.

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36:07Welcome back in. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton's show.

36:10Okay. Was it yesterday, Buck, that I said we should just go take Cuba out

36:15once and for all? Make it a default American territory in communism in the island

36:21of Cuba, on the island of Cuba, and bring sanity just off the southern shore

36:28of the United States. Well, President Trump, in answering questions on his way to the

36:35helicopter to head to the airplane to fly down to Texas, he weighed in on

36:41the decision surrounding Cuba, and he said, maybe we'll just have a friendly takeover of

36:49Cuba. Cut 27. The Cuban government is talking with us.

36:55They're in a big deal of trouble, as you know.

36:57They have no money. They have no anything right now.

37:00But they're talking with us, and maybe we'll have a friendly takeover of Cuba.

37:08We could very well end up having a friendly takeover of Cuba.

37:13After many, many years, we've had a lot of years of dealing with Cuba.

37:17I've been hearing about Cuba since I'm a little boy, but they're in big trouble.

37:22And we could very well, something good, I think, very positive for the people that

37:29were expelled or worse from Cuba that live here.

37:32You know, we have people living here that want to go back to Cuba, and

37:36they're very happy with what's going on.

37:38So there is, Buck, and you're in South Florida, so you understand the Cuban expat

37:44community better than most. And I know we have a huge listenership in the Cuban

37:49community. And by the way, this could be Marco Rubio basically fulfilling the dream of

37:56pretty much every young kid raised in Cuba whose parents and grandparents had a life

38:03in Cuba before. There is a Supreme Court case.

38:05The timing on this is very interesting.

38:07There is a Supreme Court case pending right now.

38:10that has to do with U .S.

38:13assets that were seized by the Cuban government when the Communist Revolution began.

38:18Reports are, and I know a lot of people probably have not spent much time

38:22on this, that in 1959, 90 % of Cuban business assets were owned by U

38:31.S.-related entities. So there is an argument, and we'll see what the Supreme Court says

38:38about this, that the biggest victims from a business perspective were all U .S.-based corporations

38:46and that we should allow U .S.

38:48corporations to go back into Cuba, get their assets back, and try to allow capitalism

38:53to exist in the country.

38:56And I would be in favor of that.

38:58It would end the danger of China or Russia or North Korea or whoever, Iran,

39:04who whatever foreign interests bear ill design to the United States, from them being able

39:10to have close proximity to the United States, it would tie in with the so

39:14-called Donro Doctrine, which is really just a modification, an extension of the Monroe Doctrine,

39:19that the United States controls this hemisphere.

39:23I just think it's a no -brainer.

39:25What's your take on this?

39:26There's about 8 .5 million people who live in Cuba.

39:29Millions. What do you think?

39:30What's the Cuban population in the United States, Cuban -born or Cuban -descent?

39:34Five, six million probably at least, I would think.

39:37Clay, you look at these beaches, unspoiled, beautiful, the real estate.

39:43I'm telling you, it could be amazing.

39:45We get Trump Havana, big, gold, beautiful building right outside Havana on the beach, going

39:52to be a whole new world for Cuba.

39:54They're going to love it.

39:55Some people are saying they're going to love it.

39:57Yeah, of course, this would be great.

40:00And I think the arguments against this are, rather the arguments against a future of

40:08liberty and decency in government for the Cuban people are effectively pathetic.

40:17I mean, the left in this country always has a weird, it's not unknowable, or

40:24rather we understand why, but always has this bizarre sympathy for far -left regimes, no

40:30matter how oppressive and no matter how failed.

40:32Because there's a lot of stuff that, in the ethos at least, of the Cuban

40:37communist regime, appeals to leftists in America.

40:41That's just the truth. So, in fact, some of the, you know, there have been

40:45really aggressive efforts by, you know, by the Cuban government even to try to run,

40:52you know, information operations and things in this country too.

40:56So, look, I think that if we can do this, if we can do this

41:02with pressure and smart maneuvering and not, you know, a Marine expeditionary force landing on

41:09the beaches, great. And I think Trump and Rubio know that that's a bit of

41:14a red line. And especially because we're going to be talking about whether we're going

41:18to go to war. People, by the way, say go to war with Iran.

41:21It would probably be more airstrikes.

41:23And we were doing airstrikes.

41:25We had a no -fly zone in Iraq for years and years in between wars

41:30there where we would, you know, blow a plane out of the sky or do

41:33things here and there. So, the difference between strikes and war is meaningful despite people

41:39who are like, oh my God, we're going to go to war.

41:40It's not that simple in Iran.

41:43But with Cuba, we got to see what happens with Venezuela too.

41:47We haven't heard a lot about where that stands now from the Trump administration.

41:52These things do take some time.

41:54But, yeah, of course, Cuba, it should be a great country.

41:59It should be a real asset in the Caribbean to the whole hemisphere instead of

42:04this totalitarian dictatorship and economic backwater and basket case, which is what it is.

42:11And like I like to say, they've run the experiment and it has failed.

42:15The people that are in charge in Cuba are incompetent, corrupt thugs, and there's no

42:22reason for them to be in charge other than they have the guns.

42:24So, let's see if that can change.

42:27I also think this is the – it's been under -discussed that maybe the biggest

42:34impact immediately of Venezuela was cutting off the supply of oil to Cuba and creating

42:40an opportunity to have, quote -unquote, a friendly takeover in Cuba, more so than in

42:47Venezuela. Let me also say, Buck, I think this is important because you're now seeing

42:51the same arguments that were made before we struck Iran.

42:55And those arguments are, oh, my goodness, to your point, we're going to be going

42:59to war. The danger is going to be huge, paramount, all of these different things.

43:05Why didn't that happen when we took out Iran in the so -called, was it

43:1112 -day war before Iran?

43:14Iran has no ability to actually push back in any kind of significant way.

43:18And if they had, they would have done that back in the time of the

43:25first attack, June of last year.

43:29The challenge with Iran, as I see it, is who takes over?

43:34Because I do think if we really let Iran – have it the ayatollah's ability

43:41to maintain control in iran is significantly curtailed and we're going to talk by the

43:46way with deborah lee uh about iran at the top of the next hour and

43:50see what she thinks on the timings and everything else associated with it and you

43:55were in iraq buck and the challenge i think that is there is when you

43:59wipe out a whole cadre of leadership you end up with a void and in

44:05that void it's a real time of uncertainty as to who is going to rise

44:10to power and so i'm less concerned with the strike on iran and more concerned

44:15with the implications the ripple effect that spreads out from the attack on iran and

44:22so what happens if we end up in this sort of power vacuum style situation

44:27all very true all very true so we'll see what the situation is as it

44:33plays out in cuba and we haven't really gotten much more on that boat that

44:38got shot up i don't super weird story yes 24 foot boat with it somehow

44:43got a bunch of americans on it got a well you know the cuban government

44:47is saying that it was meant to be a a they're calling it a terrorist

44:50incursion so essentially their claim is that that was some sort of uh covert operation

44:58insertion you know my response to that would be in general do we feel like

45:06the cuban government is in any way competent enough to stop us from a covert

45:11uh drop into cuba if we wanted people and would they come on a 24

45:17foot boat from the florida keys in order what are 10 people going to do

45:21on a speed boat i mean that's or whatever it is 15 something like that

45:25how is that going to work no it doesn't none of this adds up so

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48:10and stream on hulu welcome back into clay and buck thanks for calling in thanks

48:15for writing in and we have a third hour clay and buck kicks off right

48:19now and deborah leah is with us now she is a political commentator you see

48:25her on fox you're all over the place these days she was actually just over

48:28in israel can tell us a bit about that experience but we're going to look

48:32uh deborah ahead a bit with you as well into this weekend a looming deadline

48:38iran tell us what you know what you see coming and how concerned should people

48:43be about all this i would just like to state on the record i am

48:47not massad before anybody makes any accusations for the information about to put forward but

48:52it's great to join you guys um and yeah this has been something that in

48:56israel every single weekend they've been preparing i was there for about two and a

49:00half weeks in the end of january till february and at that point we really

49:04thought it was gonna happen it cooled off and Now the time has come.

49:08They have evacuated non -emergency personnel from the embassy in Jerusalem.

49:11And the last time that President Trump did this earlier in June, it was exactly

49:15seven days later that the U .S.

49:17joined the fight to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

49:19And so I think that this is going to be no different.

49:22We've seen this is a very interesting international politics moment for the world.

49:27And I think it's going to change international politics going forward if President Trump doesn't

49:31act. And he has been threatened.

49:34The members of parliament have threatened to send him in a casket and celebrate him

49:38being in a casket. And so more than just nuclear weapons or nuclear facilities, this

49:44is really in terms of American sovereignty.

49:46Will we allow these Islamic countries to threaten the president and not do anything in

49:50return? I personally don't think that we can allow that to continue.

49:53And I think that President Trump is on the same mindset here.

49:55And so the deadline ends on Monday.

49:58And I do think that we will wouldn't indefinitely or definitely see a strike before

50:03them. Okay, Deborah, thanks for coming on.

50:06Where does this lead? Buck and I were talking about in the last hour, one

50:10of the big challenges is how extensive are the attacks?

50:13How much do they actually target Iran's rulers?

50:16To what extent is the debate now about the potential power vacuum?

50:21Who would take over? What could happen?

50:23Where does this go? What is the goal beyond potentially ending the nuclear ambition of

50:30Iran? Does it extend into regime change?

50:34Yeah, absolutely. This has been something that all of us have been wondering.

50:38And I think this is definitely the reason that the strikes have been delayed.

50:41We heard weeks ago, Trump said help was on the way.

50:44And then obviously, we went into negotiations.

50:46And the problem that exists for President Trump and international politics at large is that

50:51you cannot bomb your way through regime change.

50:53We've seen this time and time again.

50:54America is kind of notorious for failed regime change.

50:57And so when it comes to Iran, after 47 years of oppression, it's very unlikely

51:02that there's the highest level of individuals needed to actually overthrow the government.

51:06There's over 800 ,000 Iranians who are part of the Islamic regime who just live

51:10among civilians. So looking forward, what we think is the most likely outcome or what

51:15I think is most likely outcome is pressure.

51:18I don't think that Trump is going to take out the Ayatollah.

51:21And if he did, there are four people for every single leader of the Islamic

51:25regime. There are four people waiting to take their place that Kemeni has already lined

51:29up. So what I think is a likely outcome here is not a good one

51:33for America, for Israel or for anyone.

51:35I don't think that this is going to be a quick one strike and we're

51:38done situation. I think that this would go on longer than the war in the

51:41summertime. And I don't think regime change is possible at this point in time.

51:45So as an American, as a strong crowd Jew, I hope Trump's President Trump strikes

51:50to send a message. But with these strikes, I don't see any evidence that the

51:54Iranian people themselves are capable of overthrowing the regime.

52:00What about the strikes? What message do you think they would likely send other than

52:06I'm willing to blow up your stuff if you don't do what I want?

52:10It seems to me the problem on the nuclear program is there's no way there's

52:15no agreement that we give them where we don't rely on some degree of trust,

52:20which we can't have in them.

52:22And therefore they won't agree because if they prove that they do what we want,

52:27then we actually get what we want.

52:29Does that make sense? Do you see what I'm saying?

52:31Like there's we keep coming back to this place of Iran needs to agree to

52:34a deal where we can be sure they're not doing the nuclear thing.

52:38And we go through this and we go through this and then it's yeah, they're

52:42not going to agree to that.

52:43I feel like they're still not going to agree to agree to it even if

52:46we hit them. Oh, you're absolutely right.

52:49And many has said himself that that will never happen.

52:52And Iran giving up their nuclear facilities is worse than them losing a war internally.

52:56And so that's been as an American, the catch 22 that I've been watching and

53:00kind of a little bit upset about in a way that I grew up in

53:05the mindset of we don't negotiate with terrorists.

53:07And so entering negotiations to begin with, I do not know what the Trump administration

53:11was thinking the outcome would be because they're not going to change their mind.

53:14But when it comes to strikes, Trump has really just been forced into a corner

53:18now where if he doesn't strike, it will send a message to the rest of

53:22the world, the non -Western world, that they can do whatever they want.

53:25They can threaten America. They can kill their citizens.

53:27And the Western world will not do anything about it.

53:29But again, President Trump's striking is really not going to beget regime changed.

53:33It's not going to change the outcome with the nuclear facilities.

53:37They've moved them underground. And so I hate to say it.

53:40I wish there was a better answer, but there is no good answer to this

53:43conflict. And I think that we need to put a little bit more, not pressure,

53:47but a little bit more spotlight on the Iranian people themselves.

53:50There is no other, as much as I have deep, deep sympathy and I want

53:53them to be free, I can't think of any other conflict in the history of

53:56the world where the people who have the responsibility have not.

54:00The Iranian people, we've kind of taken them out of the equation here.

54:03How would they play an effect into this?

54:04We have Israel, we have America waiting on standby, but I would like to see

54:08more efforts or at least more communication from the Iranian people about what boots on

54:12the ground support America or Israel will have if deciding to strike them.

54:17We're talking to Deborah Leah about the situation in Iran.

54:21Okay, so if there's not going to be a change in leadership in Iran, we're

54:28not going to effectively decapitate the current theocracy, then isn't this?

54:34Just more of kicking the can down the road to Buck's point.

54:38We know we can't trust Iran, and at some point there probably will be another

54:43Democrat administration in office like Obama that they can take advantage of, make a lot

54:48of claims to, lie, and just kind of recreate this situation time after time.

54:55So that's point one. Point two on this, is there any, to your knowledge or

55:01ability to kind of divine, what is Saudi Arabia, what is Qatar, what do the

55:06other Muslim countries want to happen to Iran?

55:09Because it seems to me that they actually like them having an incompetent government because

55:13in some way it elevates their own governments without having to worry about a competent

55:19government to compete with in the region.

55:22Great point, and that's essentially what I was going to say.

55:25This is the most likely outcome, and the best outcome would be kicking the can

55:29down the road. If the Trump administration launches some level of strikes that we've seen,

55:33we have the highest amount of defense weaponry in the region, ships, everything is based

55:38in Israel waters around the region.

55:41The most likely outcome is kicking the can down the road, striking a few facilities,

55:45and scaring the regime into agreeing, okay, for the next five years we won't build

55:50nuclear sites, or we won't enrich uranium, which we know we can't trust them.

55:53So that would be a win on the face of it for the Trump administration.

55:58Look at us, we did what we were going to say would we do.

56:01Is it an overall win for international politics?

56:03Most likely not. And in terms of geopolitics in the region, we actually saw, I

56:08was trying to verify it because there's a lot of, you know, misinformation around this,

56:11but the airbase in Doha, one of America's largest airbases in the Middle East, doesn't

56:17have any active fighter pilots or fighter jets waiting there right now.

56:20They've been moved to an airbase inside of Israel.

56:22And so that is very interesting to see that we've had these far -right, alt

56:27-right commentators saying Qatar is our best friend, but when push comes to shove in

56:30the region, it does not seem that they will help us fight a nuclear Iran.

56:34And a lot of these, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they like playing the middleman.

56:38They like being able to fund Iran, fund world terror.

56:41But then also if America calls, hey, America, we would love to sell you some

56:45weapons, or we would love to have your investments in our country.

56:47And so they're waiting. They don't want to choose a side because they want to

56:51choose whoever wins. And that's the difference between us and the Islamic world, is that

56:55we believe in freedom and goodness regardless of the outcome.

56:58We don't wait to see who the victor is to choose them.

57:01We choose good and God values as victory every single time.

57:05Speaking of Deborah Leah here, Deborah, so then is it fair to say that in

57:10your estimation, I'm just trying to see based on what you're saying, how you're viewing

57:15this issue, that the best option for the Trump administration is limited strikes and then

57:20essentially status quo? Or is there something that needs to be done that hasn't yet

57:25been done? I wish that there was a better answer here.

57:30And I love President Trump and I love his administration.

57:33But given the circumstances and given how long he's waited now to retaliate, it's been

57:37weeks, almost over a month and a half since the original regime was killing protesters.

57:42And so given the timing, the really only probable and good outcome the Trump administration

57:48can guarantee right now is some sort of strong limited strikes within a couple hours,

57:53have our pilots out of the airspace by the time that it reaches the public

57:57and scare the Iranian regime into at least negotiating more.

58:02But there really is no good outcome where we were able to finish this and

58:05have a true win that the Trump administration can bring home for the region and

58:08America. And Americans, I think I speak for a lot of us now that we

58:12are not interested in another forever war.

58:14And President Trump knows this with the midterms coming up, that beginning a war that

58:17will not be over like the 12 -day war with Iran in June will do

58:21very, very badly in this country in terms of American public perception.

58:25And his approval rating is already a little bit lower than normal right now.

58:29So we know Trump loves to be loved and doing anything in the region that

58:33won't bring home something he can brag about.

58:36I don't think he's interested in that.

58:38So to sum it up nicely, I have a really good feeling that strikes are

58:42going to happen Sunday night.

58:44I don't think that they're going to kill the regime.

58:46They're not going to take out Kemeni.

58:47And something that Buck and I actually spoke about earlier this week is that a

58:52big challenge for America has been the limited communications with the Iranian regime.

58:56They have one point of contact.

58:57And if that point of contact falls off, they're pretty much in the dark.

59:00And that's a really difficult situation given the lack of other allies around Iran.

59:06So they're playing it lightly.

59:08And there is no real win that Trump can bring home outside of limited talks

59:12and then some sort of short -term agreement.

59:14Let's pick this up come December next year and see where we're at.

59:18Last question, Deborah. We appreciate the time.

59:21Last time in June, as you referenced the 12 -day war, we heard a lot

59:25about, oh, there's going to be significant American casualties or Iran is going to fire

59:30back and we're going to see World War III.

59:32Iran didn't do basically anything and did not appear to have much ability to do

59:37anything. Do we have any sense for whether they have better or worse capabilities?

59:43I would actually presume worse.

59:45In other words, is there anything Americans or even Israel should really fear from Iran

59:51at this point? We should not be afraid of Iran, but we should be cautious

59:56about China and Russia who have been selling weapons and certain defense missiles to Iran.

1:00:01last couple of weeks and months.

1:00:03It's unclear because they don't want us to know if they've reached Iran, how many

1:00:07anti -missile defense systems that they have gained now from China and Russia.

1:00:11But that is something to absolutely keep an eye on in the region.

1:00:14And that's something that's not new to us.

1:00:16You know, all of our enemies join together when it comes to attacking America.

1:00:20But Iran alone does not have the power.

1:00:22They don't have the capabilities to hurt America.

1:00:24The best that they could do is shoot some rockets at Israel.

1:00:27But America has the Iron Dome protecting Israel.

1:00:29Israel has the IDF protecting their own borders.

1:00:32And so Americans, the only thing we should fear is the Iranian regime sending over

1:00:36sleeper cells into our country.

1:00:38But thankfully, we have a closed border now.

1:00:40And so we really should not fear Iran.

1:00:42They can't touch us. Thank you for the time, Deborah Leah, for people out there

1:00:46who are interested in following you along during this Iranian latest imbroglio.

1:00:53You said Sunday night you think the attack might come.

1:00:55Where can they find you?

1:00:57Find me on Twitter, on Instagram, TikTok, every now and then, the Deborah Leah and

1:01:03everything. And it was great to join you guys.

1:01:05Thanks for having me. Thank you so much.

1:01:07Thank you. We come back.

1:01:09We'll take some loaded lines.

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