Hour 1 - Iran Still Thinks it's 1985
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome, everybody, to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and
0:39Buck Sexton Show. Coming to you live from New York City.
0:42Clay, out in Nashville area, Tennessee.
0:46New York, New York, here I am.
0:48Clay, it's still standing. Still a thing here.
0:52Actually, a lot of construction going on.
0:54Big buildings going up here in midtown Manhattan.
0:56We'll talk to you about the biggest news of the day.
1:00Virginia gerrymandering throwdown. Circuit court judge in Virginia has blocked certification, said it is unconstitutional
1:10what they have done in that state.
1:13We do have to come to some kind of a understanding, I think, about what
1:20we're going to do with these gerrymandered states.
1:22Because if they're going to do what they've done in Virginia, now it just means
1:26every time around you're going to have a flip -flop of basically all of the
1:32districts for our side, none of the districts for you.
1:34And this is a huge, huge issue, a huge fight.
1:38Florida redistricting. That could be very interesting.
1:41Now, there's a couple of approaches to this.
1:43One is the fight fire with fire, which is what Indiana did not do, as
1:48we have talked about. Another one would be, I guess, hoping that this can be
1:53fixed within the system, within the court system.
1:56I don't know about that.
1:58We shall discuss all of this, though.
2:00We've also got the White House, Caroline Leavitt, addressing a whole bunch of things on
2:05Iran. On continued fallout from the Southern Poverty Law Center indictment.
2:12Let's remember, they've been indicted.
2:13This isn't just like an expose of journalism or something like that.
2:17They have been indicted on this one.
2:20Speaker Johnson, by the way, Clay, says we are on track to win in November.
2:24So he's coming from the Clay Travis School of Optimism.
2:28Not going to be a sad face today.
2:30But I actually want to start with this for a second, if I could, because
2:34we're still trying to get to a resolution on Iran, an agreement about what the
2:41future will look like. This is what Trump put out on Truth Social.
2:44Iran is having a very hard time figuring out who their leader is.
2:48They just don't know. The infighting is between the hardliners, who have been losing badly
2:53on the battlefield, and the moderates, who are not crazy moderate at all, but gaining
2:59respect, is crazy. We have total control over the Strait of Hormuz.
3:04No ship can enter or leave without the approval of the United States Navy.
3:08It is sealed up tight until such time as Iran is able to make a
3:12deal. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J.
3:14Trump. They're still boarding ships and doing stuff.
3:20So there's problems still in the strait, Clay.
3:22How do we fix this?
3:23Fix it, Clay. Well, I think one of the biggest challenges is just what Trump
3:28addressed there. And this is why earlier in the week I was saying, you know,
3:32if I were giving him advice, maybe don't high -step into the end zone on
3:36negotiation, on social media. We don't know who's actually able to lead this country right
3:42now. And it seems to me that there is an element of the IRGC that
3:47wants to be in control.
3:48And then there are more traditional political leadership that has been trying to negotiate a
3:55deal. And I think, Buck, the reason why we didn't have an actual meeting so
4:00far and have not had one is because Iran is kind of in its own
4:06internecine power struggle right now.
4:10And we're not exactly sure who's going to emerge as the leader.
4:14And in the meantime, I think this is super significant.
4:17The military of Iran has been utterly eviscerated, right?
4:22They don't have an air force.
4:23They don't have a navy.
4:24They don't really have any sort of ability to fight back in any kind of
4:29significant way. But economically, I think this deserves more discussion.
4:34They are going to lose the ability to store the oil that they pump within
4:40the next couple of days.
4:42And a lot of you big oil guys and gals out there will understand this.
4:47But, Buck, for people like me who have to do research on this, Iran has
4:52the ability to store a limited amount of oil and gas in its country because
4:59it's constantly flowing and shipping all of the oil and gas.
5:03And some of you will remember this during COVID when suddenly the price of oil
5:08and gas went negative because there were no facilities to store existing oil and gas.
5:15And so I think it went to like minus $20 a barrel, if I remember
5:19correctly, Buck, back in the day in the early shutdown days of COVID where people
5:23started to panic and said, oh my goodness, there is nowhere to put the oil
5:27that is arriving because the amount that's being used has collapsed.
5:31Iran is going to be in even more difficult economic straits within a couple of
5:37days than they are in military straits.
5:40And let me also, and I'd be curious, by the way, open phone lines on
5:43this because some of you are real oil and gas experts.
5:47The other part of this buck that I think is significant is evidently when you
5:53stop pumping, you can do significant damage to your oil and gas infrastructure.
5:59In other words, it's not just that they have to stop pumping because they have
6:04whatever it is, 16 million barrels of oil that they can store without being able
6:09to ship it, and then after that they don't have anywhere to put it.
6:12It's that when you stop the pumps typically, and again, oil and gas guys, big
6:19Texas cowboys, y 'all can call in and explain this better probably than I can,
6:24but I don't think the media writ large is really doing a very good job
6:28of explaining exactly how destructive economically this blockade that we have put in place is
6:36for Iran. Now, you can argue, as some will, well, Iran has got a high
6:41pressure point, a high degree that they are willing to take.
6:46That might all be true, but the Iranian economy in terms of export dollars coming
6:52in, remember they had this initial protest in December and January, Buck, in Iran where
6:58tens of thousands of protesters were killed.
7:01It wasn't based on religious law.
7:03It was based on market -based economics because inflation is so out of control in
7:09the country. I can't even imagine that there really is hardly a functional economy in
7:13Iran right now, and so I think the pressure point on Iran economically is even
7:20more significant than the pressure point militarily, which is saying something.
7:23So you're not fazed by any of this at all?
7:25No. Captain Clay is like full steam ahead, get the cannons ready, whatever we got
7:32to do, we shall just go at the enemy.
7:35I'm kind of mixing together some of my historical favorites here, but Lord Nelson, you
7:40know what I mean? You're just like, just go right at them.
7:43Just don't even wait. The price of oil and gas has largely stabilized, meaning the
7:49marketplace writ large has gotten used to the Strait of Hormuz being closed.
7:55It has not gone to $200 a barrel.
7:57There are lots of different conduits through which oil and gas is being shipped.
8:02President Trump has said, and this is true, the United States is actually bathing, the
8:08oil and gas guys are, in money because suddenly other countries that typically don't do
8:16this are deciding to buy from the United States.
8:22And so I just think a lot of people are not recognizing that economically this
8:27blockade, if anything, largely strengthens the United States since we are a net exporting country
8:33and makes our assets more valuable.
8:35And the stock market is setting record highs.
8:37So I don't think economically we're struggling at all.
8:40Caroline Leavitt here, this is cut 11.
8:43She is laying it down very similarly, saying, look, they got this.
8:48We have all we need here, all the cards.
8:51Play 11. Obviously, there's a lot of internal fraction and internal division, which, again, just
8:56proves the effectiveness of Operation Epic Fury in the first place.
8:59Their regime and many of its leaders for nearly five decades have been wiped off
9:03for the face of planet Earth.
9:05So, again, the president's offering them a little bit of flexibility because we want to
9:08see a unified proposal to the president's very strong proposal.
9:12And he's made his red lines very clear.
9:15Again, the United States maintains control over this situation, leverage over the Iranian regime.
9:19Not only have they been significantly weakened and obliterated militarily, but they are losing economically
9:25and financially every single moment that passes with this blockade.
9:29So the president is going to continue to lead the free world to run the
9:33United States of America as we await the Iranian response.
9:37She seems very confident that this is all fully in hand for the United States,
9:42Clay. So with that in mind, I guess the status quo, which is a strait
9:48that is not really open, certainly not open for the Iranians, but also not open
9:52because other people don't want to take the risks, that continues until Iran bleeds out
9:57enough economically that they're going to come and have some kind of a deal.
10:01Trump is saying the problem is the leadership is so fractured internally because we did
10:05decapitate their leadership that it's tough to even understand who would make that deal.
10:10So it looks like this is going to be the situation, but I might just
10:14add, now we're going to be in a game of waiting.
10:17This is going to take some time.
10:20Well, look, I mean, the challenge is when you decapitate an entire country's leadership, you
10:27lose the ability to know who exactly you're dealing with.
10:31And we've talked about this on the program.
10:32I think it's very important.
10:34If you negotiate with the United States, that is potentially going to get you killed
10:39in Iran. So this is why I have looked at this and read about it
10:45and just try to think about it from a game theory perspective a great deal.
10:48I don't see how this ends without us.
10:52seizing the nuclear dust from Iran and I think we're going to have to go
10:56in I think we're going to have to do the cinematic scope scale taking of
11:02their nuclear dust and I think we're going to have to bring it back to
11:05the United States I don't see how it's going to end in any other way
11:10I don't think Iran has the ability militarily to come after us I understand people
11:15out there get nervous about this concept but once we have that then I think
11:20we could theoretically negotiate with them but again look I understand it's frustrating that gas
11:27prices went from three dollars a gallon to four dollars a gallon and that is
11:32frustrating I get it but economically the stock market is hitting record highs oil and
11:38gas guys in Texas are now incentivized to produce even more oil and gas and
11:43here's where I would say Iran may be losing out long run buck now everybody
11:48in the Middle East is saying let's figure out other ways that don't rely on
11:53the Strait of Hormuz to get the oil and gas out of the Middle East
11:57and that's going to be more pipelines that's going to be more cross -country cooperation
12:02I just think Iran is running a game plan that would have made sense in
12:081985 and maybe in 1995 but this is where the United States becoming a net
12:14oil and gas exporting country why drill baby drill has been so effective the economics
12:20of this are just flipped on its head and Iran thinks it's still 1995 or
12:251985 and I think what you're seeing the markets react and show us is it's
12:31really not that impactful honestly like uh they don't have the ability to curtail global
12:39commerce as much as they thought they did and I think the markets are recognizing
12:43that's why we're seeing record highs in the United States for the stock market even
12:47as we're engaged in this with Iran and it's also why oil and gas prices
12:51have largely stabilized they've even come back a little bit as the shock to the
12:57system is not as as significant as maybe many anticipated inflation just chips away at
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14:53look and you know the nfl draft and we were just talking all about iran
14:58how serious it is the nfl draft is tonight it's going to be a huge
15:01deal tens of millions people are going to watch it i don't think we even
15:04talked about this on the program uh and we'll uh we'll get some of your
15:09calls in a moment but the new york post buck this story has cut through
15:14just posted new photos of new england patriots head coach mike vrabel and former new
15:23york times reporter diana russini making out in a new york city bar oh this
15:31story just will not go away but was that a girl's night where she was
15:35making out with him like it was a girl's trip to arizona right maybe it
15:38was just a girl's night and she got a little carried away he's not a
15:42girl oh my goodness uh so that story is out there like you just did
15:48bombshell nfl draft stories don't typically involve coaches making out with top nfl reporters until
15:54now you know clay people always think kind of like they think incorrectly which you
15:59would know if you read manufacturing delusion just because i talk about it it didn't
16:02actually make in the book it got cut but people think that what a tangled
16:05web we weave when first we practiced 2dc with shakespeare it's not some other guy
16:10not also by the name shakespeare by the way because that would then be shakespeare
16:14um but it actually is a true thing which is that once you start dealing
16:19with this series of lies you're just going to be dealing with more and more
16:22right and they know and that's why I think in a situation like this you
16:29got to be so careful because when you come out and you're caught if you
16:32do the huffy thing you better be darn sure there's not other stuff right you
16:37better you better hope that you're not in the beginning of the of the uh
16:40you know the first wave hits but the title wave is behind it it's going
16:44to be kind of a kind of a tough one but you know it's at
16:48the end of the day it's a sports story but it's also a story about
16:53people who are not being honest with themselves about what's really happening I love your
16:57response that's a really long girls trip they've been on um uh let's go to
17:01uh Ty in Long Island of course we've got so many people who know so
17:06much about the oil and gas industry in this audience and uh you're talking about
17:10they used to work on an oil rig Ty I've read and heard that stopping
17:14production of oil and gas can be incredibly difficult uh for any of these platforms
17:20plants uh whatnot explain uh based on your experience yeah so I worked in the
17:26oil fields when I was younger and what we would do is we would we
17:29would repair wells that have been sitting for sometimes decades and you got to pull
17:34all the rods out to change the leather couplings that are on the standing valve
17:37at the bottom the leather couplings will deteriorate if you're if they're just sitting for
17:42a long time they're not lubricated by the oil and it's a huge amount of
17:45labor and time and yeah it's it's a bad thing uh yeah so Buck I
17:51thank you for the call by the way and a bunch of you want to
17:53weigh in we'll take some of these calls I do think that it's not a
17:56surprise our media does a really poor job oftentimes contextualizing larger stories because uh they're
18:04focusing on frankly things that aren't that significant but this one is if you stop
18:11production because you cannot continue to store the oil and gas the potential danger for
18:17Iran is moves into even more stratospheric levels um so I I just think they
18:24have you know what what was it Trump said back in the day they have
18:27no cards uh when he was talking about Ukraine Russia now that war hasn't settled
18:31either so maybe Iran is just going to allow the economy to completely collapse but
18:37I would just point out it wasn't religious fundamentalism that brought protesters to the streets
18:42it was in January and in December it was economic collapse yeah Iran is pretty
18:49much an oil economy with uh the exports of pistachio carpets and terrorism behind it
18:56so not a lot going on there have you thought about the fact that your
19:00beloved pistachio may be uh really difficult to get at an affordable price if this
19:05barricade continues why do you think I want the straight of Hormuz open so badly
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20:00required welcome back in here to clay and buck let's talk about this situation in
20:07virginia with the gerrymandering where people have pointed out that the greater environs of the
20:15district of columbia meaning northern virginia formerly a part of our federal district actually arlington
20:23and alexandria and then the rescission act was that what it was called i gotta
20:28go back and look at this stuff you're the civil war nerd this wasn't civil
20:31war but it was like around it was 1850 1860 maybe something like that we'll
20:37pull it up we all have crock but they basically gave this to the state
20:42of virginia because there were people who were grumbling because they said hold on i've
20:46got to do the taxation without representation thing the smug license plate that you at
20:51least used to see in our nation's capital quite frequently taxation without representation so the
20:57people living across the potomac river did not like that situation and we uh well
21:03the decision was made to give it back to virginia was that entirely by the
21:08book by the way who knows might be worth looking at this brett bear announced
21:14this though our buddy over at fox this is cut one he's talking about what
21:18happened with a judge saying not so fast play cut one breaking tonight a circuit
21:24court in virginia ruled a short time ago within the past two hours that the
21:28redistricting referendum passed by voters yesterday is unconstitutional the judge is now blocking certification of
21:37the election and denying a motion to stay pending appeal clay looks like this issue
21:44is certainly not over where do you think it's going yeah That's a great question.
21:49I don't know. And I think anybody who tells you 100 % that they know
21:53is being inaccurate or dishonest with the prediction.
22:02The circuit court, obviously, the attorney general who said he wanted his political enemies to
22:08die, the kids of his political enemies to die, recently elected attorney general of Virginia,
22:14great guy there, has announced that he is going to appeal.
22:19And so I believe this would go.
22:21I'm not an expert in how many levels of court the Virginia, you may have
22:28it in front of you right now.
22:29I would presume from circuit court it goes to Supreme Court on the state level,
22:34but I could be wrong there.
22:35Again, I'm not licensed in Virginia.
22:37And then the Virginia Supreme Court would have a chance to weigh in.
22:42And then obviously would go to the Supreme Court with a chance to weigh in.
22:47What he did, based on my understanding of this case, is he refused to allow
22:53the certification of the election results because he said they were unconstitutional under Virginia law.
23:00He says the General Assembly did not follow required constitutional processes under Article 10.
23:05I'm sorry, Article 12, Section 1 for proposing amendments.
23:08This includes issues with using a special session improperly, failing to meet public notice and
23:14posting requirements. Sounds like my condo board.
23:16The 90 -day rule before the election and other steps in how the resolution and
23:21enabling legislation were handled. The judge says that these process violations made the whole thing
23:27illegal from the outset. Also, I thought this was more interesting, Clay.
23:32The question voters saw was, quote, this is from the judge, flagrantly misleading.
23:37It read, should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to
23:44temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections while ensuring Virginia's
23:53standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census?
24:00That is actually a dishonest framing.
24:04That is a problem, I think.
24:07I know people are going to say, oh, we'll learn how to read English.
24:10Yeah, we're going to play this game now.
24:12We're on state referendums. People can use confusing language intentionally to get the result that
24:18they want or skewed language intentionally.
24:20I mean, that's gross to restore fairness.
24:23It's like, hey, check this box if you're a jerk.
24:25Check this box if you're a good person.
24:27A lot of people are just going to check the I'm a good person box.
24:30Well, so I'm trying to look right now when the Virginia 2026 primary is because
24:39I'm looking ahead to the significance here.
24:41It is, team, can you help me with when the primary is every state, obviously.
24:49I think I've got it in front of me right now, pulling it up.
24:53Virginia right now is August 4th.
24:56So that sounds like, okay, that's a ways away.
25:00But under these new congressional district lines, this is actually a super complicated thing for
25:09a election group to put in place.
25:13So let me just take a step back.
25:15We're sitting here, what, late April.
25:18You have to print all these ballots.
25:20You have to figure out where the lines are drawn for all these new congressional
25:28districts. The primary is hugely important because given the way that they've been drawn, whoever
25:35wins the primary election is going to be the Democrat nominee in 10 of these
25:41districts. So it's not even really an election, right?
25:43It's just the primary is going to determine the congressional.
25:47And you're trying to run simultaneously.
25:50So the point on this is the certification of this is very complicated because until
25:56this election has been certified, I would imagine you can't even begin the process of
26:02altering all of these different congressional districts.
26:05And some of you, including my wife, work in the elections world.
26:10My wife's a volunteer. She works in the election offices here.
26:14That's very civic of her, by the way.
26:16It is. It's very civic.
26:17It is. I'm impressed. She worked 12 hours the other day for a local election
26:22in the Franklin, Brentwood, Tennessee area where we live in, Williamson County, outside of Nashville.
26:28But, yeah, she was frustrated by the 2020 election and by people talking about whether
26:34they were safe and accurate tallies of elections.
26:38And so she decided she was going to volunteer.
26:41And so she works at the local ballot polling place.
26:46So she's been doing that for several years now, since 2020.
26:49But bigger picture here, it's hard.
26:52It's hard to get these ballots drafted.
26:54It's hard to get these district lines redrawn.
26:58And so when you are not allowing the certification, there is some deadline out there,
27:04I'm sure, under Virginia state law, where you can't change the before primary things have
27:11to be solidified so people know who's running in which districts and how this is.
27:15going to play out my point on this is it is getting very complicated legally
27:20very fast and so i would imagine the virginia supreme court would be required to
27:24weigh in very rapidly here and then the united states supreme court would be required
27:29to weigh in very rapidly as well and this initial opinion that has been written
27:34uh based on what i have read is quite quite significant um in terms of
27:41its uh in terms of its overall complexities so who's gonna win so long story
27:50short where does this go uh so i think the supreme court right now buck
27:54is trying to avoid weighing in on this racial gerrymandering case which is as significant
28:02as this virginia case and here's my potential idea of what they might do they
28:08might just say this virginia district is not able to be implemented by the fall
28:15uh election season and also we're not going to put in our racial gerrymandering case
28:21in the fall either so we're going to try to keep the courts from uh
28:25getting involved in this i initially thought that they would avoid a ruling now i
28:30think they may connect it to the racial gerrymander so there are a couple things
28:33that come to mind about this one of them is for a while now it
28:38has been quite clear that laws that were passed or enforced in the past to
28:47address racial inequality are on their face now some of them are unconstitutional and in
28:55fact the issue of race and voting is now also i think about to be
29:02is going to have to be looked at a bit differently where where we're at
29:05a place of just neutrality in the law about these matters you can't continue to
29:11have two sets of law and by this i mean look at the voting rights
29:14act it was at section five or section three one of one of the sections
29:18of the voting rights act has been uh truncated in the last uh last decade
29:24or so right supreme court looked at this because it was using old formulas to
29:28determine whether or not you could change anything about an election based on previous discrimination
29:33well okay but if there was discrimination in new york in 1950 why should that
29:40still fall under the voting rights act today and and they basically had to look
29:43at this realistically and say yeah we can't just keep these things in place i
29:49i think you're also going to see that some of the civil rights basically any
29:53civil rights legislation and this pertains to voting as well that does not just treat
30:00all people as people or all americans as americans who have the same exact rights
30:05when it comes to voting everything i think is a problem i think that people
30:08are going to see that now as a problem you're going to have a rollback
30:11of these things that has to it's already started to happen but it's going to
30:14happen more because you cannot have equality under the law via inequality so this this
30:21is the they can try to square that circle a million times it will never
30:25work you cannot have laws that treat people unequally in the name of treating people
30:30equally and we still have that as it pertains to voting we still have the
30:33voting rights act in particular i think all that's true i think the supreme court
30:38is terrified of cannonballing into a highly competitive midterm election in the uh in the
30:46trump era and so you asked a prediction i'm going to give a prediction this
30:50is a very wavering prediction i think the supreme court will defer to whatever the
30:56virginia supreme court says the law of the state of virginia is um and this
31:03gets complicated uh i don't know what the makeup of the virginia supreme court is
31:08but the judge who wrote this the circuit court basically state circuit court a level
31:15judge who wrote this opinion i think wrote a very very sound opinion it would
31:20be i believe hard to overturn that and i think the supreme court would prefer
31:26that virginia's supreme court says this kind of redistricting violated virginia state law as opposed
31:33to the united states supreme court applying virginia state law and disagreeing with whatever the
31:39result of the virginia supreme court is if if the process was not respected then
31:44the process result is not valid and so that's why i think what in virginia
31:49specifically yes so unless this judge can't read and doesn't understand the basics of what
31:55has to happen for this uh i i think that there there's going to be
31:59quite quite a fight over the lack of because remember they tried to do this
32:03clay with speed while they could to get away with it for this election so
32:09it does it does stand to reason that they wouldn't go through the normal processes
32:13because they wanted to get it done as quickly as possible by the way it
32:15was section 4b of the voting rights act back in 2013 uh shelby county shelby
32:21county v holder and that was the formula test for under the voting rights act
32:26where you had to get pre -clearance from doj before you could make any you
32:31couldn't move a voting booth you couldn't do anything unless doj said it was okay
32:35yeah they got rid of that and now section five still has that's the of
32:39the vra still has a pre -clearance requirement but they don't have the formula to
32:43use So it's kind of inoperable in a lot of cases.
32:45So that's that. But my point here is you can't all these vestiges of laws
32:50passed that discriminated in the name of ending discrimination.
32:54They've all got to go.
32:55They've all got to go.
32:57Let me just say this, Buck, because it is kind of remarkable.
33:00When I went to law school, I didn't believe that we would basically end up
33:05in a world where Congress does nothing and judges determine basically everything about our Democrat
33:12process. I just kind of want you guys to think about that.
33:17Everything that we look at today.
33:20And by the way, this was true with Biden, too.
33:22Congress basically is worthless. It passes almost nothing.
33:26It does almost nothing at all.
33:28And so what you're constantly analyzing is how does the power dynamic of an executive
33:37president who is taking as much power as possible, whether it's Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
33:42George W. Bush, President Trump, how does the power dynamic between the judiciary and the
33:49executive branch impact things with the legislative branch almost always just out to lunch and
33:55not very involved in anything?
33:57And so it's not a surprise that the chief opposition to President Trump came from
34:02the judiciary, but also increasingly everything, something happens.
34:08And then we just all sit around and wait to say, OK, is this legal
34:12or not? We'll have to wait to see what the judges say.
34:15And that's basically redistricting. And, Buck, I would also point out this could implicate what
34:20Florida does, because if the Virginia thing is tossed, Florida might not be so aggressive
34:26on redoing their districts. If it's upheld, they might be different.
34:31They might be more aggressive.
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36:07Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton's show.
36:10Okay, so legal uncertainty. Welcome to the world.
36:15I do think as we were going to break, Buck, for people out there who
36:18say, okay, what's the consequence of this going forward?
36:23I do think it could potentially implicate the decision that Florida makes.
36:28Because Hakeem Jeffries is taunting Ron DeSantis about the districts that they put in place
36:34or don't put in place.
36:36Here's what I would say.
36:37And I bet you would sign off on this, but you now are a Floridian.
36:41Florida should go ahead and redistrict.
36:44Go ahead and do it.
36:45The amount of new growth and new individuals that live in Florida since 2020 is
36:53off the charts. Millions of new voters have gone into Florida.
36:57Redistrict. It's a super red state.
36:59Make it redder. And don't rely on what the Virginia courts are going to do
37:06or not do as it pertains to the 10 -1 districts that they put in
37:10place. I think Florida has the last chance to throw a punch.
37:14I think putting your fists down by your sides and not doing anything is the
37:18wrong call. Would you sign off on that?
37:20Yeah, that's just not a viable strategy.
37:23When one side is going all out, I think you have to meet them on
37:28the battlefield the way that they're fighting.
37:31And now this is what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
37:35That's the only way I see it.
37:37So Florida, yeah, let's step it up, Florida.
37:39Let's turn it from red to just the deepest red imaginable.
37:44Even Miami -Dade County has gone red recently a little bit.
37:47So we are in a pretty good shape there to do that.
37:50What have you got for us coming up next, Mr.
37:51Clay? I don't know if you've paid attention to this, but this Spirit Airlines story,
37:57I think, is actually a really good one that also, spoiler alert, involves judges making
38:03awful decisions. There's talk that the United States might take an ownership stake in Spirit
38:09Airlines. There's a big debate.
38:10out there about that. Let's discuss.
38:13I'll break that down. What's going on with that latest story and what the implications
38:17might be. We'll also take your calls.
38:19We got a lot of people weighing in on oil and gas based on our
38:22conversation earlier. All that's next.
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