The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Iran Ceasefire Breakdown: Strait of Hormuz Crisis, Regime Strategy & U.S. Military Response
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0:33T's and C's apply. Welcome to The Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get to
0:36the heart of the issues that matter to you.
0:39Today, we're talking Iran. With fresh ceasefire tensions in the Strait of Hormuz, stalled shipping,
0:44and Iran's proxies still active, we're going straight to the source.
0:48We're going to get straight talk from one of the Navy's most experienced leaders in
0:53the region. He's former Vice Admiral John W.
0:56Fozzie Miller. He is the former commander of the U .S.
1:00Naval Forces Central Command and U .S.
1:03Fifth Fleet. So we're going to get to the truth.
1:05Obviously, we're in the fog of war.
1:07A lot of information out there.
1:08What's true? What's not? What do you need to know?
1:11And how does this thing end?
1:12Stay tuned for Admiral Miller.
1:19Well, we want to start out saying Vice Admiral John W.
1:22Fozzie Miller, because I know you're going to tell me to call you Fozzie.
1:25So I just want to get it out.
1:27I just want to make it known that you want me to call you Fozzie
1:30and I'm not being disrespectful to your rank and title that you have so rightfully
1:34earned. So just to get that out of the way.
1:36Admiral Fozzie, it's great to have you on.
1:38I appreciate it. But, you know, obviously, so many moving parts with what's been going
1:44on in Iran. Is there a ceasefire right now?
1:49What's the status of it?
1:50How do you observe it?
1:52Well, I don't think we have the ceasefire that we're looking for.
1:55Lisa, thanks again for having me.
1:56But when we look at sort of the general terms of the ceasefire, it was
2:01that the Strait of Hormuz would be open and safe.
2:04And that was a key element of it.
2:06And right now, that's not the case.
2:09And so I think unless that changes, I don't think that we have a ceasefire
2:16in a way that we thought we might have had the ceasefire when it went
2:21into effect the other day.
2:22So it's certainly something that we need to keep a lookout for.
2:26Like a lot of ceasefires, this thing was done, I think, put together fairly quickly.
2:30Some of the details need to be worked out a little bit more.
2:33So there's an opportunity that we can remain at a ceasefire.
2:39But there are certain things that need to be done, particularly on the side of
2:42the Iranians and particularly regarding the Strait, that need to happen.
2:46And the Iranians published last night a chart that said, this is how you transit
2:51the Strait. You go through our waters inside of Larac Island, and we will monitor
2:56that. And every place else is unsafe.
2:58Well, if it's unsafe, it's because they've made it unsafe.
3:01You know, the implication is that they put mines into the water there.
3:05And if they did so, then that obviously would be a ceasefire violation that we
3:11have to deal with. You know, they've always kind of used this Strait of Hormuz
3:15as like holding it hostage to some degree.
3:19How different is what they are doing now?
3:21Or kind of like how do you compare what's going on there versus, you know,
3:26attacks and things that have happened in the past?
3:29Well, Iranian conduct in the Strait of Hormuz is one of the reasons we're in
3:34this conflict in the first place, because they've always behaved poorly there.
3:39They've always thought that it's their right to control shipping going through the strait.
3:46And that goes back to the very beginning of the regime, when the United Nations
3:50Convention on the Law of the Sea, which governs the international straits in the world,
3:56Hormuz, Bab al -Mandev in the Red Sea, Strait of Malacca between the Indian Ocean
4:01and the Pacific Ocean, and the Strait of Gibraltar, among others, the Iranians were against
4:06the weight that was written, which allows for transit passage of any ship for peaceful
4:13purposes without restriction, other than some ability to monitor the environmental condition of the ship
4:19itself. So it's not polluting in what would be their territory or waters if it
4:24wasn't a strait. The Iranians passed a law that allowed them, you know, so it
4:32was an Iranian law to violate the United Nations Convention on the Law of the
4:39Sea, actually before it came into effect, after it had received the required votes, but
4:45not before it had gone into effect.
4:47And so they've always conducted themselves in a malign way in the straits.
4:51You'll hear periodically, we have over the years, about the Iranians seizing a vessel that
4:57was transiting the strait. For one reason or another, some dubious tie to some international
5:03court case. And because they have behaved poorly there, that has an impact, obviously, we
5:11can see today, on the entire global shipping community, and particularly the oil trade.
5:16And so this is not unusual.
5:18They are more aggressive today in their conduct in the strait.
5:23and they have been since the very beginning of the conflict, than we've ever seen
5:27before. And they did attack some ships, not a whole bunch of ships, but over
5:34a period of a couple weeks, about two dozen ships were attacked in one fashion
5:38or another. There was some damage.
5:40I don't think anybody was killed and no ships were sunk, but it was enough
5:44to convince the shipping community that it's not safe.
5:47And when you talk to the shipping community today, they will tell you that the
5:54safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz is through the Iranian IRGC.
5:59It's not through the United States.
6:01It's not by international convention.
6:03It's not by, you know, several hundred years of customary maritime law that backs up
6:10the free and safe transit through any international strait.
6:15And so this is a...
6:17This is a major sticking point that I think on the U .S.
6:21side, we've yet to fully understand both the short -term impact and the long -term
6:26impact of their conduct in the strait has on the global shipping community.
6:32I guess, what's the path forward?
6:33Because I guess my concern is, you know, obviously, you know, Iran is sort of
6:40set up, like decentralized with this mosaic defense structure where they have all these different
6:45commanders in charge of, I think there's something like 31 provinces and their military assets
6:50are spread throughout the country.
6:51It's a rather large country.
6:53They have mountainous terrain. So how do you break a regime that is sort of
6:59set up for resilience? Well, I think that there are two ways to go about
7:03breaking the regime. And the first one is the one that we...the path that we
7:07started down, which was that we will simply take away all of the regime's military
7:14might or as much of it as we possibly could.
7:16And we've been successful in terms of their air defense systems, their ballistic missile production
7:24capability. They still have ballistic missiles because they're still reaching out to the GCC countries
7:31on the other side of the Gulf.
7:32They're still reaching out to Israel.
7:34So we've not gotten all of that, but we've gotten a good deal of it.
7:38But, you know, to sort of coin the phrase, you know, the plan was to
7:42bomb them into submission. It hasn't completely worked because the things that they use to
7:48close off the strait are, in some cases, high -end weapon systems, anti -ship cruise
7:54missiles, and then drones, of course.
7:56And I don't know that we've gotten all those.
7:58But in a lot of cases, it's World War II vintage in terms of technology,
8:04mines potentially, although I don't think the strait's a great place for mines.
8:09But it's also small boats.
8:10And so we've seen on the news the last couple of days, camera pictures inside
8:15the strait itself close to Iran, and they look like little sport fishing boats that
8:21are running around. That's the IRGC.
8:23They're not much of a threat until you put a .50 caliber machine gun on
8:26them. You load them up with some limpet mines that they can attach to the
8:30side of merchant ships and blow holes into those merchant ships.
8:35Or you put explosively formed projectiles in the bow and turn them into suicide boats,
8:40whether they're manned or unmanned.
8:42They have both varieties. So it's very difficult to take away every capability that the
8:48regime has, even if they're broken down into very small units of IRGC soldiers that
8:54are in the strait of Hormuz.
8:55They only have a couple of explosives.
8:57They only have a couple of boats.
9:00That's enough to deter the maritime shipping because it presents a danger to the ships
9:05that are transiting. The other way, and I'm not sure that we've tried this in
9:10a way that we need to or are going to have to eventually, is you
9:14choke off their ability to get money.
9:16And they are still making money exporting gray market oil or black market oil, if
9:22you will, out of the strait of Hormuz.
9:26And that comes from Carg Island.
9:28So how do you cut that off?
9:30Well, there's a couple of ways to cut it off.
9:32One, you can just blow it up.
9:33And I don't think we favor that.
9:35I don't favor that because that means that when there is a new regime, and
9:39clearly we're going to need, as a solution to this problem, a different regime in
9:47Iran, a different governing structure that is, if you have zealots at the top, the
9:52Ayatollah Khomeini or his son, that's the same old regime.
9:57But if you go down three or four or five or six tiers into that
10:01same regime, you still have zealots.
10:04And so clearly there needs to be a different government structure that needs to be
10:08starved off. Do you blow up Carg Island?
10:11That's one way, as I said, not favored.
10:13Do you mine it? Do we mine it?
10:15And so it's unsafe for anybody to use to go to Carg Island to get
10:20oil. That's the kind of activity that I think we need to be prepared.
10:24Do we seize for a period of time some of the islands that are in
10:28the Strait of Hormuz or in the vicinity of the Strait of Hormuz?
10:31I think we're at a point where we certainly if we don't seize them, they
10:35should be rendered useless to the Iranians.
10:38And so it's that kind of activity.
10:41And it's really more than anything else, I think, the ability for us to focus
10:49for the administration. to focus on how important it is that the Strait of Hormuz
10:54function in accordance with international law.
10:58And until we render the Iranians either unwilling or unable to interfere with that, we're
11:04not going to have a successful endeavor.
11:06And so I do think it requires more focus than it seems as if the
11:12administration has given it thus far.
11:14Do you think the new Ayatollah is gay or is that just a disinformation op?
11:19I don't know if he is or he isn't.
11:21And I don't think it much matters really because of the hypocrisy that we routinely
11:25see out of the regime.
11:27And I'll use this as an additional example.
11:31So he might be gay, but they're willing to ignore that, I think, if he
11:34doesn't, he's not openly gay.
11:36I don't think openly gay would be different.
11:38But if he... Because you get murdered there if you are, right?
11:44Homosexual activity in Iran and in other parts of the Gulf, to be perfectly honest
11:49with you, is a death penalty offense.
11:51And ISIS, when they were in power, you know, a few years ago, if they
11:56found out someone was a homosexual, they would literally throw them off the roof of
12:00a building to their death.
12:01But I think they're willing to ignore these kinds of things.
12:04In much the same way, you know, we've seen reports about the nieces and relatives
12:08of high -ranking Iranian regime officials, these women that are living in the United States
12:14and living the lifestyle of a social media influencer and dressing that way.
12:21And this is a country where if a woman goes outside without a hijab on,
12:25she can be beaten, literally beaten on the street by the police.
12:28So there's a level of hypocrisy with the regime that would, frankly, would allow for
12:34someone who's quietly homosexual to be the supreme leader.
12:37At the same time, they're throwing other known homosexuals that they've been able to find
12:43off the roofs of buildings.
12:45Well, it's just like, it's kind of genius if it is a disinformation op, just
12:49right? Like, because it... But also, do we even know if the new Ayatollah is
12:53alive? I don't think we've seen or heard from him.
12:56So, like, who do you think we are negotiating with since we've taken out so
13:01many of their, you know, head leaders?
13:04Well, it's entirely possible that who we're negotiating with and who's actually running the country
13:09aren't as connected as we might think they are.
13:13And regardless of who is the titular head of Iran right now, it's clear that
13:20the Revolutionary Guard forces are running the country.
13:23So they're the ones that are conducting the conflict.
13:25They're the ones that are sending missiles into GCC communities.
13:30They're the ones sending cluster bombs into neighborhoods in Israel.
13:36And they're the ones that are controlling the Strait of Hormuz.
13:40So those are the people that we need to be going after.
13:44We haven't found all of those, and they may not be the same people that
13:48are conducting the negotiations. And so what that means, when we saw when the ceasefire
13:54went into effect, there was a rather lengthy period of time where they were actively
14:00firing missiles. Hezbollah is firing missiles today into Israel.
14:04So the IRGC is continuing the fight, despite the fact that the people that we're
14:09speaking with have indicated that they're in favor of a ceasefire, ostensibly to work toward
14:17a longer negotiated peace. Not clear that that's really going to happen the way that
14:23we might want it to happen.
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14:58T's and C's apply. You know, Steve Witkoff had said at the beginning of all
15:03this on Fox that Iran had stockpiled enough enriched uranium for roughly, you know, up
15:09to 11 nuclear bombs and that they would be able to push it to weapons
15:12grade within like a day.
15:14I think it was like a week or within days.
15:16I think it was like a week or more.
15:19Do you believe that? I know there's questions as to if that's true or not.
15:24Like, do you believe that assessment?
15:27Well, I'm confident that they have close to a thousand pounds of uranium that they've
15:33enriched to 60 percent. They've been pretty clear about it.
15:37And there's really no reason for them to lie about that.
15:41There's another several hundred pounds of uranium that's enriched to 20 percent, which people don't
15:50often talk about, but it's also significant.
15:54Going from 60 percent to weapons grade is not terribly difficult.
15:58And if you have the technology that gets you to 60 percent, that same technology
16:02gets you to weapons grade 90 percent.
16:06But the devices that they use to further enrich that are no longer available.
16:12I'm also confident of that.
16:13But that material is still important to us, whether or not they I mean, you
16:17can make a new. nuclear bomb with 60 percent enriched uranium, just not a very
16:22efficient nuclear bomb by nuclear bomb standards.
16:26But you can still make a bomb.
16:27And certainly you can make dirty bombs.
16:29You can aerosolize that material and use it to conduct radiological attacks in a terrorist
16:37sort of way. So there's lots of different uses for that 60 percent enriched uranium
16:44that we would, you know, we really can't endure.
16:48And that can go not just to the United States, but it can go anywhere
16:51in the world. You know, there's sort of a question.
16:54Oh, sorry. Go ahead. At the end of the day, we want to have that
16:56material. And that ought to be a part of whatever settlement that we make.
17:01You know, there's been questions, you know, about, well, I mean, I just went blank.
17:09I was I just going to ask you.
17:11Oh, yeah. OK, John, clean this up.
17:13But there have been questions about you know, if President Trump, if we're military, if
17:19they've thought through like the next steps and sort of gamed this out.
17:24But like, haven't we sort of war theoried potential conflict with Iran and like the
17:30various avenues and paths for like decades now since Iran's been a threat since, you
17:36know, for 47 years? We've been we've been planning how to deal with the regime
17:42in a kinetic sense for as long as I can remember.
17:45So really very back to the first days of the regime.
17:48So as you said, almost a half a century now.
17:50But there's there's more than one part to war.
17:53And we learned that in a very big way in the Iraq War, where we
17:56had a very quick, very decisive military victory.
18:00And then what happens after that becomes an important issue.
18:05It's not clear to me that we've thought much about what happens after the war
18:09with Iran in much the same way we didn't do it before Iraq.
18:13Certainly there's there's going to be an aftermath here.
18:18And the role of the current regime is going to be part of that in
18:22one fashion or another. So either the regime is able to to cling to power,
18:27which means they continue to oppress their people.
18:30If they have a funding source, they also continue to harass their neighbors and and
18:35harass the neighborhood. And that includes the Strait of Hormuz.
18:39But even if you move beyond the regime, because in the long term, I think
18:42it's very difficult for the regime, particularly if we continue to to starve it economically
18:48to stay in power. But then what does Iran look like?
18:51It's a big country. You know, it's two and a half times the size of
18:54Texas. It's got 90 million people.
18:56And does that country break up into different countries?
19:01You know, there's a lot of different ethnic groups that make up the population of
19:05Iran. It's not clear that we've we've we've completely thought that through.
19:09And those are those are issues that are going to have to be dealt with.
19:13We would benefit from a unified Iran with a new government.
19:18But there's a lot of work that that has to take place in order for
19:23that to happen in the future and sooner rather than later.
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20:02T's and C's apply. Okay.
20:05So for instance, like in Venezuela, it seems like Darcy sold out Maduro, right?
20:11Right. But she also didn't want to get arrested or die.
20:15But when you're dealing with a lot of these IRGC commanders, I mean, they're Islamists,
20:20right? Like they don't mind like suicide missions.
20:23They don't mind dying. They think they're going to get like these virgins, right?
20:26Like it's like, it's in their religion.
20:28It's in their beliefs to pursue jihadism, right?
20:31Like you look at what they did via Hamas on October 7th.
20:35They have no problem with the slaughter of innocent people.
20:38They don't value human life like we do.
20:40So how does that make it more challenging to get like regime change or maybe
20:46to get some of these people to flip or to think reasonably or logically?
20:50Like, I guess, how does that change the equation or add complexity and difficulty to
20:56the situation? There's no doubt that this religious fervor that the regime zealots bring to
21:05this fight is an issue.
21:09And it's different just as you described.
21:12You know, Darcy decides, hey, I don't want to end up like the old boss.
21:16So I'm going to be a better new boss and I'm going to make that
21:22same, they're not going to come to the same conclusion.
21:24They are willing to die for the cause.
21:26And so we've got to be willing to either let that, you know, make that
21:32happen or marginalize them to a point where other powers come into effect inside Iran.
21:40And that's a difficult thing to do.
21:42One of the things that makes it very difficult is there's no obvious opposition.
21:47So if you go back to the 79 revolution, the opposition, the Ayatollah Khomeini was
21:53in France. And so there was someone for them to look toward outside the country
22:00that could help them overthrow the Shah.
22:03That individual doesn't really exist.
22:05In fact, I think the most popular public figure that we might consider could unify
22:11Iran in a post -conflict, post -regime world is the son of the old Shah.
22:17And that's not a very good choice for a lot of different reasons, not the
22:22least of which the old regime wasn't a great regime.
22:28If you were, you know, a citizen of Iran, they were a very oppressive regime
22:32themselves. And he hasn't lived in the country in almost 50 years.
22:36So part of what a post -regime Iran looks like is made difficult to understand
22:42because there isn't an obvious opposition that the people could unify around and say, this
22:48is the person or this is the group of people that will lead us into
22:51the future. And it'll be a better future than what we've had with the current
22:55regime. Well, and then also, how do you get an up like a real uprising
22:58going when the people aren't armed?
23:00And then I know there has been recent reports and President Trump has talked about
23:04it as well, trying to arm the Kurds and get some of those weapons to
23:07the Iranian people. And instead, you know, the Kurds used it for themselves.
23:11And, you know, so it's like, how do you, it just sort of seems like
23:14we're in this quagmire right now where you've got sort of a regime that's built
23:19for resilience and like a decentralized nature that even if you take out some of
23:23these leaders, it's still built to last and not necessarily to win a battle, but
23:27just to survive. Oh, and then it seems like there's no clear path on our
23:32end to try to get either regime change or to get the Iranians to really
23:36negotiate and to abandon their nuclear options.
23:39And then we can't really do a full ground invasion because, you know, Iran is
23:45a large country with, I think, like 90 million people.
23:48And, you know, they've been really successful with the drone attacks and these drone attacks
23:52and these swarm of drones.
23:53We'd be basically like sending our people to slaughter.
23:56So it's like what, you know, it seems like we're sort of stuck.
24:00And so is this just going to be some long, protracted war like what we
24:04see in Ukraine and no side really wins and people just continue to die?
24:09Well, we really can't as a global community, we can't endure a long, protracted conflict
24:15like we're seeing right now in Ukraine.
24:18There's other ways to think about the revolution.
24:20And we tend to think of it as something that would look like the 79
24:24revolution, which really had its heart and soul in Tehran and emanated outwards to the,
24:29to the rest of the country after, after the new regime took power.
24:34There was a previous revolution in Iran around the turn of the last century.
24:38So in the early 1900s, that really came from the outside, from the, from the
24:43far flung reaches of the country into the center.
24:48And if there's going to be a change in government, that's, that's one of the
24:51ways that might happen. But in terms of anyone's ability to endure this in the
24:56long term, unless the U .S.
24:58and then, you know, by definition, other countries of the world are willing to say,
25:04okay, we're going to pay a toll to go through the Strait of Hormuz.
25:06We're going to let the Iranian regime govern how this international strait operates.
25:12Unless we're willing to do that, we're going to have to solve it.
25:15And we do that by choking off the regime's money supply.
25:18I think that's the point where we've, we've come to, and we have to be
25:22willing to do it. And we have to be willing to do that quickly.
25:25There, there cannot be a compromise on this because if we compromise on the Strait
25:31of Hormuz, that bleeds over into places like the South China Sea, where the Chinese
25:36regime, the communist regime there, claims the entire South China Sea as territorial Chinese water.
25:44And they want to charge tolls for ships transiting through there.
25:49And about 60 % of all global commerce goes through the South China Sea.
25:54So we can't equivocate on the principle of an open Strait of Hormuz, which means
26:02we have to do things differently.
26:03And we're at a point now, I don't want to say that we're stuck because
26:07what we need to do is think through the way to success and then act
26:11in that way. And that's why I don't think the ceasefire, the way it's currently
26:16operating, represents any sort of long -term solution or road to a long -term solution
26:22that we're willing to accept.
26:24Because I don't see the regime coming into the table on Saturday in Pakistan and
26:29saying, you know, we are going to open up the Strait because we said we
26:32would, because there's nothing that forces them to do that.
26:36And they're not going to do anything that we want them to do that they
26:40don't want to do unless we force them to do it.
26:42And then before we go, I wanted to ask you, you know, looking at that
26:47remarkable rescue mission, getting back not one, but two of our airmen behind enemy lines
26:54in Iran, what does that tell you about our capabilities?
26:57And then also, I would imagine that President Trump would have had to sign off
27:01on a mission like that.
27:03So what does that say about him and his leadership after signing off on these,
27:07like, daring and complex missions like to capture Maduro or even the rescue of these
27:12two airmen? kee jr1m37 .125.
27:13Wow. Okay. There are a couple takeaways from this rescue, which was a great event.
27:20The first takeaway is that everyone should know there isn't anything we won't do to
27:26try to rescue soldiers, sailors, airmen, U .S.
27:29service members that are down behind enemy lines.
27:32I mean, it's not everything but the kitchen sink.
27:35It includes the kitchen sink.
27:37And we did that. It also shows what incredible capabilities and intelligence we have and
27:43the ability to coordinate across our governments.
27:45So this wasn't just a great military operation, though it was.
27:49It was also a great information operation because the CIA understood the mission.
27:55They understood the mission in a nuanced way, and they were able to contribute to
28:00the confusion of the IRGC, which allowed us to get our airmen out of the
28:05country. So we learned a lot of great things about that.
28:10And what we need to do is take those lessons and apply them to the
28:14current problem set that we have.
28:16But I feel like, too, it just shows seems like you would know way better
28:20than me, obviously, considering I've never served and certainly not, you know, a lot of
28:25people haven't served at your level.
28:26But it just seems like we've seen under President Trump just like more daring and
28:32complex missions than maybe we have in the past.
28:35And I wonder if that's just because, you know, President Trump's bold enough to sign
28:39off on it and maybe other leaders might have been too scared.
28:42Well, certainly, I think you're right when when you say that this required presidential approval,
28:48certainly at least approval at the secretary of defense level.
28:51But I think in this particular case, it did require presidential approval.
28:55And when you when you look at at the problem set, you say, OK, we
28:59have one airman down behind enemy lines.
29:01We're going to put a couple of hundred other American service members in harm's way
29:07to go get that one American.
29:09And the risk is that we might lose.
29:12You know, 10 people, 15 people, 25 people just to try to save this one
29:17individual. It does take a lot of courage on the part of the president, on
29:22the part of any leader to make a decision in that regard.
29:25He needs good advice from his uniformed leadership.
29:28And clearly, that's the case.
29:30He got good advice. We can do it.
29:32Here's the risk. But ultimately, the president has to make that that risk decision that
29:37he's going to put other American lives in danger to save this one American life.
29:42That says a lot about the president himself and his ability to make hard decisions
29:46under difficult circumstances. And then it says a lot about the military, of course, to
29:52then follow through and to have been able to do that without losing anyone else
29:56was really quite extraordinary. Well, and then also with all the criticism toward Secretary of
30:00War Pete Hegseth. I mean, it seems, you know, thus far that he's been making
30:05the right decisions and listening to the right people as well and sort of thinking
30:09through some of this stuff.
30:10And then real, real quick before we go, I would imagine, too, like the no
30:13man left behind and really validating that in, as you pointed out, having so many
30:19troops involved to rescue one person.
30:21I imagine that that does a lot to boost morale in the military, that like
30:26we believe so much in the value of the men and women who are serving
30:30the military that we are willing to risk it all to rescue one man.
30:34And I wonder if that's also why we saw such high recruitment and what this
30:38might do to both morale in the military and then also with more people wanting
30:44to sign up to serve.
30:45Certainly, this is a great example of the military ethos and a key part of
30:52that, a fundamental part of service to our nation is the fact that it's a
30:57team of people that service, that our brothers and sisters, we are all part of
31:02something bigger, something more important, something better.
31:05And the ethos is that we will do everything to save our brothers and sisters,
31:13to help each other, to accomplish the mission and do so without ever forgetting about
31:19anybody, without ever leaving anyone behind.
31:22That ethos is really heart and soul part of the United States military.
31:29And it is one of the main reasons that people are drawn into this extraordinary
31:34community of people that are that are blessed to be able to serve is that
31:38you serve with people that are selfless and that your welfare is more important to
31:44them than their own welfare.
31:46And and does that help recruiting?
31:48Of course, does it help morale?
31:50Of course, it's fundamental to who we are as a as a as a fighting
31:54organization. Yeah, it makes me really proud to be an American.
31:57Well, Fozzie, appreciate your service and thank you for coming on and breaking this all
32:02down for us and even appeasing my silly question about the Ayatollahs.
32:05It was an honor to serve, Lisa, and certainly great to be with you again.
32:08All right. Talk soon. I appreciate you.
32:10That was Vice Admiral John W.
32:12Fozzie Miller. Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.
32:15Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen
32:18throughout the week. Also want to thank John Cassio for putting the show together.
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