Hour 2 - Clay's Birthright Citizenship Argument
4/1/202637 mincomplete
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0:05Hour number two, Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show.
0:08We thank all of you for hanging out with us.
0:12A bunch of different news stories in the works.
0:16As we are speaking to all of you, the Artemis II crew is suiting up
0:21ahead of their launch down in Florida to return to orbit the moon for the
0:27first time in decades. Jared Isaacman was on with us yesterday, the head of NASA,
0:33talking about how this is setting the table for a moon base and one day
0:38humans on the surface of Mars.
0:41Which is pretty cool. What is your favorite space movie?
0:47All time. Space. The final frontier.
0:50Favorite movie. I'm leaving it very broad here.
0:54That's a very good question.
0:55I don't even know that I have one that is...
1:01I probably... Apollo 13. Probably it was Apollo 13, right?
1:04With Tom Hanks about the space crew and having to come back.
1:07I think that's the answer.
1:08Is there a better one?
1:09That's the answer I would expect from somebody who spent his vacations going to Civil
1:13War camp and Supreme Court arguments.
1:16Fine. Aliens for me, buddy.
1:18Are you including Star Wars and stuff like that?
1:20Yeah, everything. Everything, you big nerd.
1:22Apollo 13. Star Wars is the answer.
1:25I mean, Star Wars. I thought you meant like an actual space movie.
1:29Star Wars. Empire Strikes Back.
1:31Empire Strikes Back? That's respectable.
1:34What would you say? You've gone less nerd, Apollo 13.
1:37Well, I thought you were specifically saying like a real, not science fiction space movie.
1:41Did you go to NASA camp too?
1:43It was clear. Like, I want to be an astronaut one day.
1:45I want to be zero gravity.
1:47Wara has been to space camp multiple times, I think, but with our boys because
1:52they have parent, kid, space camp.
1:54Well, that's cool. That's like a nice family thing.
1:56Yeah. Yeah. She's been multiple times.
1:58I think she's ready to go to space if she needed to.
2:01So, yeah. I mean, Star Wars is the obvious answer.
2:03But I thought you meant like actual rocket space, like real life type.
2:07You've seen aliens, right? Yeah.
2:10Wow. Oh. Oh. Oh. Light him up, everybody.
2:15Light him up. He's throwing.
2:16James Cameron's aliens. He's not giving that its due.
2:19That's madness to me. Madness.
2:21So, Artemis 2, that is going to take off.
2:24SpaceX going public. I think that's probably intentional to double up there for the biggest
2:30IPO potentially in the history of capitalism.
2:34Supposed to happen in July.
2:35Would not shock me if Elon Musk tried to do it around July 4th, if
2:39that's true, to celebrate America's 250th.
2:43I can see a lot of positivity associated with that.
2:47But, Buck, I am still super fired up.
2:49I was watching all the birthright citizenship arguments, and I thought, let me give you
2:56a couple of things. First of all, and again, this is nerding out, there is
3:01a difference between two different types of citizenship.
3:05One of them is not controversial at all.
3:07If your parents are citizens of a country, then you should become a citizen of
3:12that country when you are born.
3:13I think everybody gets that, and that applies even if you are on a base
3:19in Germany or one day if you're on Mars and your parents are American and
3:25they have a baby, you should be an American citizen.
3:26I think everybody gets it.
3:28The other one is by soil.
3:29And I didn't think that the advocate here, John Sauer, really did a good job
3:34historically explaining what's going on personally because by soil, citizenship is very rare.
3:41And nowhere in Europe, he did mention we played that audio.
3:44You can't become a citizen in China.
3:46You can't become a citizen of Japan.
3:49So I have got two different things that, to me, Buck, would make sense.
3:53All right? Solutions, right? Because Congress can't do anything.
3:57We won't do anything, can't manage to get anything passed, however you want to contextualize
4:03this. Buck, tell me what you think about these two solutions.
4:07One, mutuality. If we can't become citizens of your country, then you should not be
4:16able to become citizens of our country.
4:19Let me explain how that would work.
4:20If you and I got invited to Beijing and one of us had a wife
4:26who was pregnant, Laura has had three, let's say Carrie is pregnant, and suddenly she
4:32had a baby in Beijing, that baby would not be Chinese.
4:35Why should Americans be able to travel to China and have babies there and their
4:43kids do not, our kids do not become citizens of China, but Chinese citizens become
4:49citizens of America? One easy solution to me that is very commonplace is reciprocity.
4:59If you are not doing for us what we are doing for you, then it
5:03should not exist. That seems very logical, very common sense.
5:07There's a lot of examples of this, for instance, in law.
5:14Sometimes you can wave into other jurisdictions and become a lawyer for purposes of practice
5:20in other states, but it is very common that if one...
5:24state let's say i'm i'm licensed in tennessee right now i can't become a lawyer
5:30in florida by just waving in i don't think or california and so if california
5:37and florida will not allow that to happen then i think tennessee will not allow
5:40you to wave in from those states because we're being treated differently reciprocity makes very
5:46much sense to me that's one i don't know if it could pass but i'm
5:50going to ask jim jordan that seems very reasonable it's a way to go after
5:53birthright citizenship because i doubt that china is going to suddenly say oh by the
5:59way you can travel americans to china and all your people become chinese citizens as
6:04well now buck you don't think dual citizenship should exist i kind of agree with
6:08that in theory but this is one way to chip away at the concept of
6:11birthright citizenship by saying you have to treat americans as we are treating you if
6:17you're going to take advantage of our country then americans should have the ability to
6:21take advantage of your country too what it creates unfortunately because america is so much
6:25better than other countries is some countries might be willing to create that mutuality i'm
6:31sure somalia would be like hey if you want somali citizenship yeah we'll trade you
6:36okay so but the problem is somali we have it right now already but what
6:41it would do is if there's truly millions of people doing this from china i
6:44think it would strip away the chinese china's ability for instance and japan and all
6:48the european countries from being able to take advantage of this okay here's a second
6:52one what if when you enter the country we insisted that if you are pregnant
6:59you have to spend multiple months in this country instead of being able to travel
7:06in for a week or two take advantage of all of the american medical treatments
7:10i don't know about you when you went through pregnancy first of all it's reckless
7:15when someone is eight months pregnant to put them on an airplane and decide to
7:19fly them from a foreign country or seven months pregnant or whatever else at some
7:23point in time you remember this buck they said hey it's probably better for you
7:27not to be on an airplane for a long flight if you're a pregnant woman
7:30that is very standard advice if we said you cannot be in the united states
7:37for a short period of time four months five months you have to spend in
7:41this country in order for your child to be considered an american citizen i think
7:47that would also interdict drive back the chances of people being able to come to
7:52the country so both of those seem like reasonable ways to address constitutionally um a
8:00decision that is likely to come down from the supreme court that says hey birthright
8:05citizenship by soil is constitutional do those seem like somewhat reasonable rational again i know
8:13reasonable and rational doesn't get passed often by congress but both of those seem like
8:17reasonable rational ways to try to dial back the incentive of people coming here just
8:23to have babies so that they're american citizens yeah they're reasonable and rational the democrats
8:29won't want them but can republicans pass them i'm sorry do you think republicans could
8:35pass them in the limited amount of time that we have i don't have a
8:38lot of faith in republicans either like we can say democrats won't pass them republicans
8:44can't pass anything either and we've got the house and the senate by and large
8:47we can't get anything done i think that i think this filibuster thing is dumb
8:50yeah i've not not the filibuster as a basic concept which i think goes all
8:57the way back to um like the the origins of the term filibuster has to
9:03i think it has to do the word itself is like french it has to
9:07do with like um like pirates i'll get back to that in a second basically
9:12it's like you're hijacking the situation is what a filibuster is um but i think
9:18that we don't have a 60 vote requirement in the constitution why are people pretending
9:22like we have a 60 vote requirement in the constitution and people are saying oh
9:26well democrats will do all these crazy things okay well then the american people can
9:29see the crazy things they do and make decisions based upon it there's still a
9:33lot of bad laws that have been passed even with this requirement it just feels
9:36like this is an incumbency protection program where nobody ever has to take a hard
9:40vote and nobody ever has to actually live with the consequences of getting what they
9:44want i i don't know i've i've started to become a little more radical on
9:48this people are sitting here they're going what about the save act i'm like yes
9:50yes great never going to happen unless they get rid of the filibuster you say
9:54oh but what about if we use parliamentary procedure and the standing filibuster we show
9:57the american people okay nice idea still not going to get the save act democrats
10:02won't do it republicans won't even all do it by the way so that's that's
10:07my concern we can't get anything passed and this is where i get so many
10:10of you out there so frustrated that we've got i don't know how often it's
10:14going to happen buck that we have a republican president republican senate republican house all
10:20three right now we have in theory a majority of republican appointees on the supreme
10:24court and yet it feels like they can't do anything you we need to start
10:29just living with the consequences of elections and that means if you win the house
10:33you win the senate and you win the presidency you get to do things within
10:37the you know within the scope of the constitution you get to do things elections
10:41have consequences we have this sort of halfway thing of like nobody ever has to
10:45really no america should get what it wants and get it long and hard like
10:49we should actually have a government that can take action That is meaningful beyond some
10:55of these carve outs that we have.
10:57You know what? You know what?
10:57They don't have this issue with budgets.
10:59You know why? Everybody wants to spend.
11:02Spend, spend, spend. Easiest thing in the world.
11:06Everybody in Congress, they're all a bunch of little piggies at the treasury trough and
11:11they don't want to stop.
11:12The spending is automatic. Everything else is like, meh.
11:15Can we name a post office?
11:17Sure. It's absurd. It's absurd.
11:20This whole 60 vote filibuster thing.
11:22I know people are like, no, it's important.
11:24The Senate tempers the passions.
11:25No, it's made up. Get rid of it.
11:28Actually just have people vote and get the, again, we have a constitution.
11:31We have an anchoring system for this.
11:33You can't just do anything.
11:34You know, we have laws in place.
11:36We have statutes. But what all it means, Clay, is that, you know, you know,
11:39when the last time somebody got a super, you know, got the super legislative majority,
11:44it was Obamacare, which is a disaster, a disaster.
11:48And so you're sitting here like, well, what exactly are we, you know, we're holding
11:53ourselves back from doing a good thing with the SAVE Act?
11:57This is why President Trump has enacted so much of his agenda through his executive
12:02authority. Which then goes through the court, as we see this morning.
12:06The only reason the border is secure is because President Trump issued his executive authority.
12:12The reason why we bombed Iran was there's typically more credence or space given to
12:19presidents in foreign affairs. I get why he's supposed to do this.
12:21Well, this is what I'm saying.
12:22He has the powers, though, to do this.
12:24So the executive order is really just a way of saying the president chose to
12:26do the thing that he's allowed to do, right?
12:29They can try to challenge this stuff.
12:30Whether he has the ability to do it, right, through separation of powers, which is
12:35the big picture question. But again, everybody's going to be angry at the Supreme Court
12:41when we're predicting that they say birthright citizenship is the law of the land.
12:46Where I'm saying is your anger should actually be with Congress because they won't fix
12:52anything. They're basically worthless. And if Democrats take back control of the House, they're going
12:59to impeach President Trump. Nothing's going to happen.
13:03And I'm almost to the point where I just am like, just don't do anything.
13:07I don't know that they're making anything better for anyone's life most years that they
13:14are on Capitol Hill. By the way, Clay, filibuster comes from the Dutch freebooter, which
13:21is a freebooter or a pirate.
13:23And it passed into the French with from freebooter to filibustier and filibustero to describe
13:30Caribbean pirates. So to filibuster is, in fact, to be a pirate among Congress.
13:38I love that history. I didn't know that.
13:40I will say this. He looked at me like I was insane when I was
13:43saying, by the way, he was like, I didn't know.
13:44He looked at me like I needed a nap or something, like I was pulling
13:47a full Biden here. Pirates of the Caribbean.
13:49I know the parlay concept.
13:51We need to parlay. That's a great series of movies.
13:54I will say, Buck, the other part about the filibuster, as soon as Democrats have
13:59control, they're going to do away with it.
14:01100%. So you're just sitting around talking about standing up for a principle that the
14:07other side will not respect when they have the opportunity to do away with it.
14:11It's not even a principle.
14:13What is the principle? I get it.
14:14We won the election. This is a self -imposed principle.
14:18This is like we could win, but we don't want to win because winning is
14:21mean. What are you talking about?
14:23It makes no sense. It makes no.
14:25People say Democrats will do these insane things.
14:27OK. And we'll see the insane things that they're trying to do or that they
14:30do. Well, no, I think I think that if they win back control of the
14:34of the presidency in the House and the Senate, I think that they will expand
14:38the Supreme Court. I think that they will decide to give statehood to places like
14:43Washington, D .C. to add senators.
14:46And I think they'll do it by a bare majority.
14:49So for people out there who are saying and there are a lot of Republicans
14:52that say that, well, we've got to stay committed to not doing away with the
14:56principle. Well, Biden tried to do away with it.
14:59The only reason that it didn't happen was because you had Joe Manchin in West
15:04Virginia and because you had Kyrsten Sinema in Arizona.
15:08Oh, by the way, they're not there anymore.
15:10Who are the Democrats that are maybe Fetterman?
15:13Maybe Fetterman would say, hey, this isn't a good idea.
15:16Other than that, they do.
15:17They're going to do away with it.
15:19I'm just telling you. So the idea of not doing away with it because it's
15:23important precedent, the precedent is going to get tossed out the way as soon as
15:26they have the power to do it.
15:27Do you guys think after eight years of Democrats losing their minds over Trump, they're
15:33going to be reasonable? Remember, this is only if they win the presidency, the Congress,
15:37the House and the Senate, right?
15:39But if they win all three of those, you think that they're going to be
15:41reasonable and they're going to keep the filibuster after Trump for eight years?
15:44No way. No way. I agree.
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17:21in here to clay and buck talk a little bit about the i was going
17:25to dive into iran clay but i we only have about 30 seconds before we've
17:30got to give everybody a little bit of a break a breather get up and
17:32stretch for a second so i can't fix the straight of hormuz in 30 seconds
17:37but i will say trump is giving a speech tonight on the iran situation where
17:42he's really going to call out u .s allies i think in a pretty big
17:45way and i don't know if that's just a negotiating tactic or if it's trump
17:51is truly frustrated because we need some help but that's what's coming up tonight at
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19:02buck sexton show appreciate all of you hanging out with us we got a bunch
19:06of callers who want to weigh in on the birthright citizenship case uh we will
19:11get to some of those we'll also continue uh here coming up at the next
19:14hour to update you on um many of the situations surrounding iran in the meantime
19:22um let's see rock well we just lost a couple of callers i don't know
19:26what happened there literally as i said i was going to go to you um
19:29let's go to rodney and cincinnati rodney what you got yeah hey client buck how
19:35you doing great um um i've got a thing to ask you about nobody said
19:42anything about it but uh the last segment you had with with roberts when he
19:46when he was asked about the constitutional and all that stuff and he said what's
19:49the same constitution um yes they're always willing to change the second amendment for uh
19:59public safety but you got a national security issue with these uh people coming across
20:07the border and having a baby and making them a citizen of the united states
20:10so yeah thank you for the call i mean i think that's an easy argument
20:14look constitutional rights are not without restriction i mean to his point you have a
20:20second amendment right you have a first amendment right but those rights can be restricted
20:25in some ways within the context of specific fact patterns and so the argument again
20:32i i think the anger is going to be with the supreme court and i
20:37understand why that anger is going to be with the supreme court the reality is
20:42anger should be with congress congress knows that we have a major illegal immigration issue
20:49in this country there are two reasons why we have a major illegal immigration uh
20:54problem in this country one is you make way more money to do jobs here
20:59than you do in most of the other countries in the world and so if
21:03you make five dollars a day uh in uh another country and you find out
21:08you can come to the united states and you can make a hundred dollars a
21:11day you're going to make 20x money you're going to try to get here so
21:14one is just we got great capitalism a dynamic economy and that is one of
21:19the draws the other is your kids become citizens if we want to address illegal
21:25immigration and i'm talking about illegal immigration you have to go to the incentives that
21:30we create for illegal immigration immigration and there are two jobs hard to dial back
21:35the jobs candidly because we have such a great economy we're producing a lot of
21:40great jobs and people most of the rest of the world would kill to have
21:44a job in the united states the second one though buck is birthright citizenship you
21:47which we should and could address i would actually replace your first one clay with
21:53our massive welfare state i think you have more people coming here so that they
22:01can access the various programs that exist in this country and keep in mind even
22:08if a lot of the illegals were to pay taxes they actually would get money
22:12back from the government they would not be function of how good capitalism is right
22:17that we have created this such a huge social security safety net because of the
22:22dynamic capitalistic nature yes you're well but i'm talking at all i'm talking like milton
22:27friedman you cannot have open borders and a massive welfare state and that's what we
22:30have right now so this is a bigger you know clay i think the old
22:34immigration paradigm was people come here because the jobs are yeah of course there's a
22:38lot of that i'm not saying that's not true but the 10 million illegals who
22:41came here under biden they're they're they're trying to find every way they can to
22:45i mean this is the people getting the free hotels in new york city and
22:48getting the ebt cards loaded with cash and going to the emergency room for all
22:52of their medical needs which by the way are all met you show up they'll
22:55do whatever oh yeah you know you don't have you need new prescription eyeglasses true
22:58and we pay for it we pay for all and we pay for it and
23:01we are running why are dangerously deep into debt and when you know when you
23:05have interest rates uh where they are and people start to pay attention to how
23:09much we're paying on money we've already spent just on interest on the debt it's
23:14crowding out other spending this is a real problem okay you know we don't talk
23:17about the debt very much here just because nobody wants to deal with it and
23:20that's why elon lost his mind this also comes back to though the larger issue
23:25which is all of that incentive structure exists because of congress and they can't totally
23:31won't can't and won't do anything to make those of us who are american taxpayers
23:37actually feel like we're being well represented by congress and that's why i think there
23:42is a deep well of anger right now look people can be angry at president
23:47trump the guy is trying to do everything in his power this is an executive
23:51order he just threw up his hands and said congress won't do anything he's the
23:56one who shut down the border he's the one who is saying we have to
23:59fix birthright citizenship but the reason he's acting this way is because he's looking at
24:04congress he's a business guy and he's just like these guys are clowns they won't
24:08pass anything they can't even get tsa paid and this is where i think there's
24:12a great deal of populist anger because many of you say wait a minute we
24:18worked our asses off to get a senate majority for the republican party we did
24:24everything in our power to get the house to republicans and they got tax cut
24:31through and look to be fair there's a lot of judges that are going to
24:35get appointed that are very significant that's behind the scenes you don't focus on a
24:40lot of it the senate is doing that but do you think people in terms
24:43of congressional action i'm not talking about what president trump can do with his own
24:47executive authority do you think people anyone out there is anyone out there like thank
24:52the ward congress has done an incredible job in the first year and a half
24:55of president trump is there a single person listening to us right now that would
24:58make that argument no but clay i i don't you know i i take the
25:02position on this stuff that we like to blame congress because we don't want to
25:07hold ourselves collectively to account over electing these idiots i mean this is we're you
25:14know we're the this is this this is the thing i have so many people
25:17how many people right now i'm sorry to pick on south carolina how many people
25:21listening right now are in south carolina and are laughing uh when people are talking
25:26about how lindsey graham can't get enough war in iran and and wants you know
25:31wants wants a thousand times more bombs and everything else and how he's a warmonger
25:36and all this other stuff and yet they elected him and maybe they voted for
25:40him but they still think he's absurd i sit here so how are these people
25:44able to keep winning elections and then getting away with not doing the things that
25:49they said that they would do during the you know during the campaign season it's
25:53because we don't have a an engaged enough we don't hold people to account so
25:57it's i think at some level it's on us right congress is just a reflection
26:00on what people in this country are doing with their votes and we put a
26:06lot of these idiots in place and i'm not even talking to the democrats i'm
26:09talking about republicans democrats a whole other thing when they just they just want to
26:13you know watch what's the what does the guy say in uh in batman some
26:16man just want to watch the hell well ben you remember that yeah that's kind
26:20of democrats they just want to watch the whole world burn the bar yeah alfred
26:24the butler uh that's where democrats are they just look like america so what if
26:28we burn it to the ground we'll build something else it'll be better it'll be
26:31more multicultural thanks democrats um that's what they think republicans though are cowards and they're
26:38never held to account i mean i'll tell you this after the midterms if they're
26:43you're going to see so many republicans all of a sudden start getting a little
26:46mouthy on some of this immigration stuff and other things because they're not going to
26:50be afraid of daddy trump anymore they're not going to be afraid of big daddy
26:54trump if that's the way this is going to go i just i i look
26:58at it and i say and i know many of you are in this position
27:01one reason i stopped practicing law was because it was so frustrating how long it
27:07took to get anything resolved any of you that have ever been involved in litigation
27:11it is years you file a lawsuit you think hey This is going to like
27:16this. Nobody ends up happier with litigation.
27:18Everybody gets more embittered. It lasts for years.
27:21You're paying ungodly amounts to lawyers who are just slowly moving a procedural ball down
27:28the field. And then years later, there's finally maybe some form of resolution.
27:34I hated it because I see a problem and I want to fix it.
27:38And I think President Trump sees problems and he wants to fix it.
27:42And that's why he's using his executive authority to do it.
27:45Because deep down, he has contempt for Congress's inability to get anything done.
27:50And so for people out there, I understand you're going to be angry at the
27:53Supreme Court when this case comes down and they say, hey, the president doesn't have
27:57the authority to do this.
27:58But to me, the real anger should be with Congress because this is exactly what
28:03they are intended to do, solve problems.
28:05And they don't solve problems.
28:07Worse than that, Buck, I would say Congress tends to create problems, make things worse
28:13where we would just do.
28:13You know how some states only allow the state legislature to show up for like
28:17two months a year? There are lots of states out there where they're like, the
28:20legislative session is just a couple of months.
28:24And it's because a lot of people in states have just been like, these guys
28:27just make things worse. Like, let's try to limit what they can do to restrict
28:32us in any way and let the free market actually get things solved.
28:36We just talked about SpaceX going public, Buck.
28:38SpaceX is better at sending rockets to space than NASA.
28:42NASA had a 70 -year head start, probably hundreds of billions of dollars in money
28:49that had been given to NASA in advance.
28:51And Elon Musk is better at sending rocket ships to space than they are.
28:55And soon maybe Jeff Bezos is going to be too.
28:58That's because government stinks at almost everything and we need less of it.
29:04But I just get more frustrated when I see problems and it just doesn't ever
29:07get addressed. Yeah, but, you know, there's the lack of it getting addressed.
29:12And then there's the Democrats, half the country wants all the illegals to be made
29:17citizens and be able to vote.
29:20Half the country doesn't agree on this, roughly half the country.
29:23I'm going to say half.
29:23Somebody say, no, it's like 43 % or whatever.
29:26But a big chunk of the country doesn't agree with us on this.
29:31And so this is why with Congress, the way that it's set up right now,
29:36you need a huge, we have a very divided country, roughly 50 -50 country, and
29:41Congress has set it up so that to solve any problem, you need to have
29:44a supermajority that doesn't really materialize.
29:47And keep in mind, even the one that Obama had, that was because of essentially
29:51the worst financial situation since the Great Depression.
29:54And it also involved bringing bogus federal criminal charges against up in Alaska.
30:02What was this now? I'm forgetting the senator, forgetting his name.
30:05Murkowski, wasn't it? No, no, no, no, no.
30:07It was a guy before that.
30:08Some of you were shouting, I'm sorry, Alaska people.
30:10Ted Stevens. Stevens, thank you.
30:13Ted Stevens, they took him off the playing field, and that allowed them to finish
30:16off the final rung of Obamacare.
30:19It was a total scam, by the way.
30:20He actually should have been completely exonerated.
30:24So my point is, like, and even with all that, there was so much wrangling
30:28over Congress, and they're at that 60 votes, and all they did was make everything
30:31worse. Yeah, I agree with all that.
30:34Here's the thing. Democrats are playing the long game, because every year there are millions
30:39of more illegals, by and large, that are either entering the country when they're in
30:44charge, like we saw 10 million with Biden, or the birthright citizenship game is still
30:49continuing. And so all these people coming in that are getting American citizenship, I mean,
30:54I don't even know the answer to this.
30:56Are you allowed to vote in American presidential elections from China?
31:01Honest question, because a lot of voting now takes place electronically.
31:07I have family members that currently are in Canada, and they're able to vote from
31:13Canada in American elections electronically.
31:16Some of you may not even be aware of this.
31:19I wasn't. But if you're an American citizen and you live in China, are they
31:24sending absentee ballots to China?
31:27I mean, are a million people from China eligible to vote in the United States
31:31presidential election because they're American citizens?
31:34If they also are establishing in some way or arguing that they are also domiciled
31:41in California or whatever state that they were born?
31:43I don't know the answer.
31:44I mean, it's a super interesting question that maybe we should have a solution for.
31:51But again, Congress is not in the business of solving problems.
31:54And there's way too many people in America that are not in the business of
31:59solving problems. They're just kind of there to cash checks.
32:02And this is where I get supremely frustrated.
32:04And I think today's case is a great example of that.
32:09All very true. All very astute.
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33:38Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.
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33:45Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
33:47Before we get to some of your calls, can I just say something, Clay?
33:50I had a book event yesterday for Manufacturing Delusion up in Palm Beach.
33:54It was a lot of fun, and we had, like, C -SPAN there.
33:57Please go get a copy while you can of Manufacturing Delusion.
34:01If you go to Crockett Coffee, by the way, we have a special on signed
34:05books that's going to be happening at CrockettCoffee .com.
34:08Signed books, very exciting stuff.
34:10But, Clay, blazers, jackets, suit jackets.
34:15I'm just going to call this out, because, you know, I've been running a one
34:19-man jihad against ties for a long time now.
34:22I'm just like, I don't like ties.
34:23They're dumb. They make no sense.
34:26A French king hired a bunch of Croatian mercenaries 400 years ago, and so I
34:30have to wear this stupid thing forever now because of fashion?
34:33Sorry, not into it. I'm going to tell you something.
34:36I want to know if you agree with me on this.
34:37It's a little controversial. This could get us in trouble.
34:40I don't think there is such a thing as a lightweight suit jacket that you
34:46can actually wear comfortably when it's hot outside.
34:49It's just not a thing.
34:51You're going to sweat, and then you're that guy with the sweaty pits and the
34:55sweat in the middle of the dress shirt.
34:57People are like, oh, it's summer weight wool.
35:00Summer weight wool? I mean, this is like lightweight lead.
35:04Are you kidding me? No such thing.
35:07Absurd. I think that we need to just call this out for what it is
35:10because, gentlemen, we're being forced to be sweaty messes at all these formal events.
35:14I went no jacket. People are like, why aren't you wearing a jacket at your
35:17book event? Because I don't want to look like a sweaty piggy piggy up there.
35:21I actually thought you looked sweaty in the photo that you posted with Carrie.
35:25I actually thought you looked a little flush.
35:32She looked comfortable in her dress.
35:33She's a Floridian. She was used to the heat.
35:36It's not even August yet.
35:37Now it's like, oh, Buck's just sweating bullets out there.
35:41My Scots -Irish people are melting down here in South Florida.
35:45That's all I can tell you.
35:46I think you need to just go seersucker would be what some of the people
35:49out there would say in the old school southern community.
35:53I think, you know, back in the day, they used to have to argue all
35:57these cases in southern courtrooms without any moving air at all.
36:03The fact that people wore, yeah, it's crazy.
36:06It's boring. Robert in Corpus Christi, Texas, is an attorney.
36:09Want to get you in, Robert.
36:09Go ahead. Hey, sounds good.
36:13Clay, the wheels of justice grind slowly for sure.
36:17Amen. But I wanted to give you guys props.
36:21Clay, you said you've given up the practice of law, but I tell you what,
36:24you would have done a better job than Fowler with that voice of his.
36:28It's like scratching a chalkboard.
36:30It's worse than RFK Jr.
36:32Yeah, look. Thank you. You're a lawyer.
36:35I mean, how many people do you think could have done a better job advocating
36:38for President Trump just from an oral advocacy perspective?
36:43Most every lawyer I know, I've been practicing for 35 years and do a lot
36:48of trial work. Not that much if I have done a bit, but my voice,
36:53if you give Sauer my voice, I think he would have carried the day.
36:56But...